I'm loving it a lot. I understand getting upset over not stopping smaller crimes to go after more personal or bigger problems happening but I don't know why ghost Peter is so mad at Otto for not constantly going out as Spider-Man constantly and living life as Peter when he literally invented machines that will inform him when something serious happens.
It's so beneficial almost feels like Peter wants to waste his life acting as a hero when it's not needed at times rather than balancing his life.
Shame I was also interested in Spider-Island but didn't know that was what happened right before Superior but I can always go and start after
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The Spider-Bot stuff was always weird to me. They write a major part of Otto's downfall as a result on being too arrogant to think his surveillance state might have holes in it, which kinda makes enough sense in comic book logic where hacking is magic, but it's not like it didn't get results, so why did Peter never try anything like it afterward, even on a smaller scale?
God can you imagine the sheer level of fricking WHINING if Superior happened today? The Spider-austs here wouldn't be able to take it as a fun temporary thing and would cry about how THE WRITERS HATE MY PEEEEEEEEEEETEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People were furious back then too. The level of hate for it has mellowed over the years but I remember there being a relatively large amount of outrage at the time, even outside core fan circles.
Looking back it I think it was a fun ride though.
I think most of what gage wrote was pretty good, just most of slotts stuff was ehh.
The Gage era was great, but that ending was awful. Unless someone at editorial LOVES Mephisto and forced Gage to use him, there was no reason to pull even more idiotic deal with the devil crap.
>but somehow had NO lasting impact on the franchise in any meaningful way
To be fair, a lack of lasting impact has basically been Spider-Man's defining feature as a book ever since OMD.
I'm not saying it's good and I'm no friend of Slott, but in hindsight it's enjoyable enough.
Slott has been one of the main writers since OMD, fricker he was on the book for 10 years.
I am aware.
Maybe at some point I would have put more of the blame on him, but even in side series written by different authors, and even after Slott was taken off the book, it's still treading water. The status quo is god, and the toys always have to go back in the box. Editorial as a whole needs to be replaced.
Not really, for 4 years they had changed, but then put a BND writer back and its back to that BND status quo. There's a common factor there.
I think overall though, editorial has a lot more pain areas than anything else aside from spiderman that can lead a road to them being out on there ass.
>Significant fan base loss over time
>Sales are going down across retail section
>Variant push reminiscent of the 90's along with oversized over priced books
>Creators have been scared that their run is getting short cut b/c of sales.
Issues that will compound a lot more over time, till we see shit really pop badly.
>till we see shit really pop badly.
Honestly I think the collapse of the current mainstream comic industry might be exactly what it needs. The way things are run, the lack of creative vision and understanding what people actually want to read, and the horrible outdated clusterfrick of distribution all needs to burn.
>Mostly how the supporting cast had to take stupid pills for months on end to let it work.
Slott can't write characters to save his life, it's very possible that he actually sincerely believes that nobody would be able to figure it out except his super duper smart OCs.
>got away from a brain-scan from a telepath because "ahcksually I'm entitled to me privacy" or some shit
IIRC he actually threatened to sue the X-Men, which is still a serious stretch IMO especially since that's the world's most obvious bluff for someone with a secret identity
>it's very possible that he actually sincerely believes that nobody would be able to figure it out except his super duper smart OCs.
>It's plausible that most characters wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Doc Ock made zero attempts to masquerade like Peter. It was like Obama suddenly started talking like Gilbert Gottfried and no one asked any questions.
The shitstorm back then was crazy. Slott actually stirred up controversy multiple times to sell issues.
I mean its mostly the mentality of marvel; brevoort editor said that they believe enraged fans = engaged fans.
>People still hate slott to this day.
Well people hated Slott before that too
True slott hate is a bit overextended, he is more or less an butthole trying to protrude a nice guy image online though. As a writer i think he's written good and bad things, but its hard to say if he'd ever be influential without spiderman.
Slott also has edited his own Wikipedia page and only got his job by lying about his age.
>only got his job by lying about his age
i haven't heard this story
He got his job at a promotion for college aged interns and lied saying he was college aged. He had to beg tom defalco to keep him, and then years later he would constantly shit talk defalco and ruin the characters he created (see phil urich and mayday parker).
Slott's a colossal dick.
Yeah i just think slott wants to be the legacy dude who gets all the love later down the line. Most writers do too, but i guess slott goes a bit too far on it when it comes to the public though.
>edited his own Wikipedia page
Why?
What did he change?
I'm pretty sure most companies do that also. Wikipedia's gotten too big to be trustworthy. Just read the reception section of Ghostbusters 2016 to see how much PR makes its' way unto the site.
Removed his own controversy section. And he did it himself, using an alias only he would have used.
People were annoyed by his tenure before this story, but superior was where he started to define himself off of the hate and made multiple story decisions completely out of spite towards the character and fans. Hell just look at the recent run he’s doing now to see that spite is still there
Yeah I just think his hypocritical behavior is basically more BS than anything, when he legit actively stalked what dudes said about spiderman when he blocked them. Then went around accusing other people of creating bot accounts to stalk him.
Anyone have Stan Lee thanking him for killing pete on his birthday?
Anon it lasted for TWO YEARS and not only fricked over a lot of the growth that should’ve been peters, but somehow had NO lasting impact on the franchise in any meaningful way
Stan the Man really could give 'em the business
I mean, there were valid points against Superior. Mostly how the supporting cast had to take stupid pills for months on end to let it work.
Hell, I think there was a time when Doc Ock got away from a brain-scan from a telepath because "ahcksually I'm entitled to me privacy" or some shit
>Mostly how the supporting cast had to take stupid pills for months on end to let it work.
It's plausible that most characters wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Im sorry but both aunt may, and MJ have been able to tell imposters from peter before, and these were people actually trying. Otto really didn't. Not to mention all the avengers becoming moronic to make this work
It would be if otto was attempting any sort of deception. remember that in like the first issue of superior he executed a criminal in public with a gun.
like, you SHOULD be right, but the writing was so bad that you aren't.
The issue is everyone that knows peter being mega moronic and not realizing him and spider-man are behaving in a totally different way. Superior only works if you don't know these characters at all.
This. Also knightquest Is this same story but less moronic
i started this because you said to and it didn't keep me interested enough to stick with it after three issues, i guess i just thought you should know that
Slott created the concept of superior spider-man and was easily the worst writer of it. he abandoned any sort of character development for otto immediately after the memory transfer (i bet you forgot about this because slott did) and just left him as a generic moustache twirler with the entire cast chugging bottles of stupid pills.
superior team-up was a great book that did justice to the concept. everyone had more fun with otto than slott did.
Slott is an ideas guy. Anything he comes up with, other writers handle far better than him.
>Marcus Lyman
wow he's Harry's relative