It makes no sense that Christianity, Judaism and Islam still exist in the Marvel or DC universe. A place where Aliens, various gods from ancient pantheons, and literal magic are all proven to actually exist would kill most organized religion. Has there never been a comic that even touched on this?
I think this case is overstated. We already have science explaining how the universe has come to be, that hasn't changed religion. Why would vigilantes or magicians? Religion scratches a different itch than the real world does, that wouldn't change.
You know, some dudes in white lab coats on the other side of the world saying that your religion that posits that one true god exists doesn't line up with how the world works might not be as convincing as a fricking Norse thunder god crashlanding on your house after another Norse god punched him there from across the city.
but he's not a god, he's just an alien
Average Marvel citizen doesn't know that.
And even if he does, if Thor is an alien, what stops the god he believes in from being an alien too?
In the movies. In the comics both the 616 and the Ultimate universe, he's literally a god from a literal place called Asgard.
And somehow, out of all of these, only Christianity is fake.
You can't say Islam or Judaism is false without being called terrible names. Even though they would definitely be just as screwed over theologically by the existence of Superman and/or Thor just as much as Christianity.
Why does the existence of Superman, or aliens in general, have to disprove God? Why would an entity like YHWH create an entire universe and only populate a single speck of dust?
It wouldn't disprove the existence of a god, that is an all powerful creator deity of some kind. But it would definitely disprove the existence of a judeochristian one.
Your logic doesn't follow. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic God is an all-powerfl creator deity.
To make mankind feel small and show how grand Gods creation is and how he loves them despite their insignificance in it.
Religion may have survived proof the Earth revolved around the sun and the theory of evolution being all but confirmed. But those just prove god didn't make the universe the way you thought. Not that he doesn't exist and that another god does exist.
>We already have science explaining how the universe has come to be
Even ignoring religious explanations the origin of the universe isn't a closed case, that's not how science works. The current model supports the big bang theory but the current model isn't 100% air tight. If a new paradigm shift happens like Thomas Khun says might happen when a better model comes along we might get a new better explanation of how the universe came to be.
What "Better Model"? There hasn't been a better model for centuries, and I don't see us discovering something that proves the universe is different from what we've discovered so far.
>for centuries
People were still disagreeing on whether the universe was constant or Big Banged and whether there were multiple galaxies or only a single galaxy pretty much within the last hundred years or slightly more, anon
>What better model
One that may or may not come in the future, we can't assume we have all the answers now and denying new theories would lead to stagnation if we're not willing to have the very core of science shaken up.
You are aware that the wide spread of science and all that jazz 100% has affected religion, right?
Yeah. But religion and specifically Christianity is still here despite that.
It's just better to say "everybody is right" in comics than try and figure out some convoluted way of saying "X group has the TRUE religion of the Marvel/DC Universe, their story is the only one that really happened!"
>It makes no sense that Christianity, Judaism and Islam still exist in the Marvel or DC universe
you know what makes even less sense? there are atheists in both marvel and DC.
batman for example is an atheist and the guy has LITERALLY met both fricking angels from literal heaven AND gods
Atheism means you don't believe in gods and don't worship. Reed Richards is an atheist because, despite knowing full well that gods and god-like beings exist, he treats them as just powerful entities that don't require/deserve his faith.
Fraction trying to make Reed into an /r/atheism poster was moronic to even the point where John Byrne, an outspoken atheist, was laughing at it. Zdarsky attempted to damage control this a while back.
homie haven’t you not only met the god and the devil but they’re almost in your rouges gallery
He's also has been to both heaven and hell. A variation of hell, at least.
Someone rightly said a while ago that it comes off as almost amusingly disrespectful to Sue considering their altercations with Mephisto in the 80s.
it was Slott in
, not Fraction.
Bruh this dude really named FRACTION
I think it's a pen name.
Correct, his real last name is Fritchman.
There's a difference between believing an all powerful all omnipotent being that dictates human morality doesn't exist, and believing one specific god like Zeus or Odin exist. Especially since in Marvel or DC comic gods can be literally killed with the right magical artifact.
>batman for example is an atheist
source tripsgay
He was raised Christian but functionally he's an atheist.
>batman for example is an atheist
His "vow" to wage war on all crime is literally a vow he swore before God.
He calls it his "Mission" for Christ'sakes.
The Caped "Crusader"
Maybe in the old days when Batman was starting out. But not these days. Just like Superman was a 'champion of the oppressed' who fought corrupt politicians and the Klan before he became mr truth justice and the american way who fights Bizarro.
>implying
All religions are correct in both universes
If all religions are true in these universe then God is schizophrenic.
>No apparent, perceived, or claimed evidence in any field of study, including science, history, and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture obtained by historical-grammatical interpretation.
-Answers in Genesis
>The Scripture is true because... it just is, okay?
Fun fact. Phil Vischer, the creator of veggietales openly disagrees with most creationists like Ken Ham and Answers In Genesis. Believing they are selling an easy solution to a complex theological problem.
by your logic the moment Edison started showing the world the electric lightbulb every major religion in the would should have instantly collapsed.
You're not making much sense, OP.
We put human beings on the fricking moon in the 1960s, The Bible obviously does not comprehend what space or gravity even is. No one fricking cares, they still go to mass every Sunday and will for the rest of time.
>by your logic the moment Edison started showing the world the electric lightbulb every major religion in the would should have instantly collapsed.
It's not even that religion doesn't collapse. It's that religion keeps behaving as it always did mostly unaffected by the existence of Superhumans.
What is the Ayatollahs stance on the skrull invasion since he once forbade muslims from becoming astronauts? Why are Catholic characters like daredevil so comfortable around Doctor Strange considering Christianity explicitly forbids associating with those who use magic? What's the churches stance on aliens if Christianity is is pretty firm that Jesus died for all mankind? are aliens like Superman and Starfire condemned to hell because Christianity is for humanity only?
I'm pretty sure the actual Catholic church irl answered the Alien question in that they can be saved, baptized, etc if they're out there.
But god created mankind to be the center of the universe. It makes no sense that jesus died for the Kryptonians and the Tamaraneans as well as the earthlingd.
you could also point out that the US president ALWAYS claims to be some kind of Christian yet not one of them gave up all their wealth like Jesus specifically commands in the New Testament. This is not the only direct commandment that 99% of all so-called Christians constantly fail to comprehend much less perform.
Religion is not actually about 'rules' or sense or sanity or consistency. It's an excuse for shutting off your brain and having a community decide for you what you should be doing. It's purely for running away from your own radical freedom, existential dread, and anxiety over the difficulty of life. It's hard to raise your kids, wouldn't it be nice if there was a whole enclave of people invested in teaching your kids stupid shit no one would rationally believe but at least it's something and I'm fricking exhausted working two jobs and my husband grew up believing even talking to our kids is 'woman's work'.
They knock a giant hole in how humans used to live for millenniums before civilization in order to fill in the instability with mindless 'rules' you can take or leave as long as you 'repent' for them later and everyone around you pretends they're supporting you when they're actually pickpocketing you and making you say thanks for the service.
WHY THE FRICK WOULD YOU THINK THIS WOULD EVER CHANGE?
Calm down rick sanchez.
>I read an out of context verse from r/atheism, that means i know about about christianity! What now, you hecking christchud???
lol
lmao
>Why are Catholic characters like daredevil so comfortable around Doctor Strange considering Christianity explicitly forbids associating with those who use magic?
because they are CATHOLIC, anon.
And, long story short, Vatican doesn't believe in magic. Thus such people, those not simple scammers, are just using ultra-dimensional SCIENCE.
>>But god created mankind to be the center of the universe.
such concept was not really ever expressed in the Bible.
And a cardinal point of the Catholic Church since... Nicaea 2, I think? is that the holy books are not to be take literally.
Galileo almost got the pyre because he kept slinging insults to the Pope, not because his researches(well, them too because he insisted to teach them as "true" BEFORE getting Peer Reviewed)
Seriously, it's the fricking Protestants the one fixated with a blind Bible>Science faith, not the Catholics.
>We put human beings on the fricking moon in the 1960s,
pfft, yeah, ok.
>The Bible obviously does not comprehend what space or gravity even is.
There are plenty of verses about the stars and the moon and god hanging the earth on nothing. There's nothing that contradicts the existence of space and other planets. There is plenty of stuff that contradicts things like the existence of other gods. and unlike evolution you can't just ignore it or pretend it's just a theory. Thor just flew through manhattan smashing up an alien spaceship with his hammer. It's hard to ignore that.
>unlike evolution you can't just ignore it or pretend it's just a theory.
>theory
Do you mean a hypothesis?
>There is plenty of stuff that contradicts things like the existence of other gods.
Only in the King James version.
To be honest, USA existing makes even less sense
The USA still existing makes sense in most comics. There's no Argument on who's the winner of the superhuman arms race.
So good
I mean that same series has three superheroes in a polyamorous relationship so it's not exactly pro religion.
Maybe Batman follows the same thought process as Beta Ray Bill
>I look at the heavens and think them empty
>And if not empty, I find the idea of worshiping whatever dwells there obscene
I thought that line was kinda trashy coming from Bill given Odin's divine intervention in his life and for his people. It doesn't sit well with me but makes atheist's boners pop. I guess you can say that religious preferences are like fetishes of the super ego.
Wouldn't proof various pantheons of gods existing validate your religious beliefs even further though
>A place where Aliens, various gods from ancient pantheons, and literal magic are all proven to actually exist would kill most organized religion.
I'd imagine a superhero setting would actually make religious claims easier to pitch. People out there today (and probably in this thread) literally believe Jesus came back from the dead, despite that being obviously impossible. But imagine how easy it would be to believe that Jesus came back from the dead in a world where supervillains come back from the dead all the time. Or consider: we see Dr. Strange manifest a beer in the MCU. In a world like that, suddenly Jesus turning water into wine doesn't seem like such a silly claim. Religious claims about souls, for instance, also become pretty believable in a world where people can astral project. And if you're worried about conflicting information spoiling religious belief, then I don't know what to tell you. If conflicting information was capable of doing that then there'd be no religions left by now. Being a believer in the Marvel or DC universe probably requires less cognitive dissonance than it does in real life.
>People out there today (and probably in this thread) literally believe Jesus came back from the dead, despite that being obviously impossible.
But Christianity only works because Jesus was one of the only guys brought back from the dead. And the power that brought him back was the power of god. It would be just as likely for someone in a superhero comic to claim. "I know a mutant who came back from the dead because of his healing Factor. Jesus was just a mutant. There's nothing divine about someone coming back from the dead anymore."
Kinda lewd
Now that I look at it the guy in the thumbnail jesus is feeding bread to does look a little like Bendis.
Christian is almost cannon in DC. The most obvious examples are Lucifer and Specter. God or the presence is also cannon. Greek and other gods are also cannon within side Christian but as Nephilim, half human and half angles.
And yet Superman always says 'Good Rao!" despite being raised a Christian?
We don't really see a lot of what the middle east would be like with superheroes. Normal Irans bad enough, I can only imagine how bad Iran would be with superhumans.
>We don't really see a lot of what the middle east would be like with superheroes. Normal Irans bad enough, I can only imagine how bad Iran would be with superhumans.
I mean there is Sabra I guess.
Remember with DC got so spooked by rightwing snowflake OUTRAGE with OP pic they dropped the series?