Remember that time in Zuko Alone where Azula pranked Mai by having her and Zuko shoved into a nearby fountain? Remember how after that scene Azula started complaining like a complete psychopath that Zuko got a knife and she wanted one even tho she is the last person who needs or should be trusted with one?
Yeah im not buying the whole "product of her environment" bullshit this woman is clearly spiritually evil. Ozai's seed is so spiritually evil it makes evil offspring just out of obligation and Azula was literally born this way.
Remember when Zuko destroyed countless lives, because of his selfishness? All I'm saying is "you are right about Ozai's seed."
My dick could’ve fixed her. If only there was some way I could join the writer cabal of hollyweird and have my self insert written into the show and have him breed her. He’d also have the cook Sukuna fire arrow attack too.
>spiritually evil. Ozai's seed is so spiritually evil
You were right until you said this.
That was the plan, except it was Zuko who was going to do it.
>it was Zuko who was going to do it.
No, Azula was going to do it herself.
>Something life changing is gonna happen but its not gonna be an Adventure. In fact, we barely need to leave the fire nation palace
Wrong, if anything feeling the joy of motherhood is quite an adventure.
Correction is the last thing Azula needs if anything she'd want it and it would make her worse
Picrel and Azula would make the perfect power couple would they not?
Ozai raised her wrong.
Ursa and Iroh abandoned her.
Azula is not at fault for any of this. She's a little girl from a fricked up family. Zuko has a duty to help her since he's the only one who had loving family members there to help him.
Azula literally throws rocks at ducks on purpose, routinely gas lights her friends and actively brags how her brother should be killed because she wants to be an only child
Azula was just born like this.
>Azula literally throws rocks at ducks on purpose
Not rocks. Bread. And "on purpose" is a stretch. I say, she doesn't know how to feed them, since Ursa never spent time with her at the pond.
>routinely gas lights her friends
You do not know what gaslighting is. Unless you mean she literally torches them, either way you are wrong.
>brags how her brother should be killed because she wants to be an only child
He should be killed because he betrayed you, your family and your nation, joining literal arch-nemesis who is after yours lives. Not because she personally wants him dead. After all, she went out of her way to bring him back, and look how that turned out.
Also, taunting someone who betrayed your family is, somehow, evil.
Sozin's plan was fricking stupid. Sozin believed he was entitled to use the Avatar as a weapon because he was Roku's fire bending teacher and when he spent decades malding about it, came a series of gaslighting that effected everyone in Sozin's family until Iroh and Zuko abolished that hateful cycle of violence
The only justification Sozin had to exterminate the Earth Kingdom was because Kyoshi watched it become corrupt over time. Even her original idea of a standing army, the Dai Li just became another tool for corruption. Its not nor was it ever Sozin's place to decide if the Fire Nation needed to stand in and liberate the Earth Kingdom from itself
Which writers want her redeemed? The last comic was a mess.
Its not so much the writers but Tumblr and Reddit and all of Twitter specifically because Cinemaphile just wants to frick her but all these other platforms wanna use her as a feminist icon like they do for Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy
Yes, a she is a total psychopath incapable of feeling guilt
Because no child has ever acted selfishly, violently, or with a disregard to others rights
Because we are all obviously compelled from birth to act in altruistic and morally acceptable manners
Because obviously it should be clear to everyone that the way in which we should all act is to follow the commonly agreed upon moral principles of the society/west
Because, all of us are clearly either born with as great altruism and care for others, or we are irredeemable monsters which should be cast away from a society that refuses to question its most basic assumptions, such as if there even is such a thing as morality, and if there is give a clear metaphysical and epistemological framework explaining why it is the universal truth
But hey, thats just a thought
ATLA's characters are complex, but it has a pretty black and white morality, at least during Aang' era. Even if I agree with what you said, I don't they would ever engage in such moral complexity.
Oh yeah sure totally
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>it has a pretty black and white morality
No, it doesn't. You just keep pretending it does so that...? I honestly don't know why, so it makes it double strange for me.
And you just keep pretending it doesn't so that...? What exactly? The cartoon will have sex with you?
If I defend Azula long enough, eventually, she will become real, and we will have sex.
Dudes I literally fricking linked a clip of Aang saying “…anyones capable of both great good and great evil”, thats our main character, the one who is supposed to provide the backbone of the show ultimate moral message, saying literally something as far away as possible from black and white morality, whilst talking about the person who genocided his entire people.
Yes a lot of the characters do show a mostly traditional western understanding of morality, like Zuko, Sokka, Katara etc. but they are if even meant to juxtapose to Aang true wisdom that she show preaches.
Of course liberal atheists will see this scene and whine “ uhm, if you support Aangs worldview here that means you’re defending Hitler, and rapists and murderers blah, blah, blah…”
Yes, I am, because unlike when you say that life is precious and valuable, I actually apply that to all life, not just those who uphold my moral values instilled into me by society.
Can you imagine that Nietszche went insane because of how much effort he spent into trying to find a proper replacement for God, as he understood that without God there is no rational basis to defend against nihilism, which he ultimately failed to achieve (although there is a “replacement”, its called advaita vedanta), yet these fricking liberal atheists think that replacing God with new idols such as the society, humanism, the state, progressivism, scientific materialism etc. will somehow fill the God shaped hole in their hearts.
Aang is a pussy with great power and that's exactly what the world of Avatar needs, his benevolence and willingness to see good even in abject evil is why he's the hero.
It doesn't mean he's right, and it certainly doesn't redeem Azula.
Is every avatar thread just the same handful of obsessed spergs baiting each other over and over? It feels like fricking /vg/ in here.
From what I see yes, although Im trying to have an actual discussion and am backing up my claims with solid evidence based upon the shows established moral framework, and excerpts from the series displaying behavior clearly indicative of an individual with a source of light buried deep, deep within them, supporting entirely the claim based upon what the show provides us the audience, of said character not being born evil/pure evil/a psychopath, but instead a less naturally empathetic, kind and altruistic child, who still despite years of brainwashing and removing herself from any potential person that could promote goodness within her, is shown as experiencing immense overwhelming guilt, upon hearing 2 people whom she has hurt in the past, and intended to so nothing to inflict further pain upon in the future, declare unconditional love towards her, and upon so running off in a singular direction, without regard for her surroundings, whilst sobbing the whole way, as she is desperately trying to suppress and run away from the pain.
You could have stopped at "yes" I didn't need any more proof.