Remember that time kevin smith tried to strawman transformers fans as being ignorant choir boy virgins while missing the entire point that transformers were alien robots in the first place
Remember that time kevin smith tried to strawman transformers fans as being ignorant choir boy virgins while missing the entire point that transformer...
I remember him hating lord of the rings but I don’t remember him ever talking about transformers
That isnt randall thats elias from clerks 2
https://viewaskewniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elias_Grover
Its funny this crybaby moron makes the garbage films he makes yet has the balls to criticize the lord of the rings movies. K Smith has zero self awareness or humility- it's a bad combo
>yet has the balls to criticize the lord of the rings movies
anon that's a character in a movie, not him.
>Its funny this crybaby moron makes the garbage films he makes yet has the balls to criticize the lord of the rings movies. K Smith has zero self awareness or humility- it's a bad combo
He's never even made a good movie besides dogma and that's carried mostly by it's premise because the writing is pretty awful.
Speaking as someone who remembered this when it was new, the choice to make it transformers seemed completely random. The TF fandom wasn’t even really known outside of it at the time, nor do I think Smith even knew they were still making shows. Effectively he could’ve been obsessed with any toy based property that had a comic. It could’ve been Micronauts or whatever
I think smith just had a hate boner for transformers in the same way he had a hate boner for he man
It just seemed like an 70s nerd obsessed with Star Wars dunking on 80s nerds for their obsessions, it could have been He-Man, GI Joe, Ghostbusters or TMNT just as easily as Transformers. It's still just Smith being petty and saying his childhood was better than theirs.
pretty much. It's kind of like how the only Batman he knows how to write has to be the Batman of the mid-late 70s where he's in a penthouse and dating Silver.
yeah it was exactly this. Smith is the kind of nerd Larry Hama talked about that would look down on toy comics. Maybe not the Ghostbusters movie but definitely the animated show.
Kevin smith more like kevin shit
I can’t remember was it because of the transformers movies? Cause I know when they came out there was a lot of G1 purists b***hing up a storm about the movies.
Clerks 2 came out a year before the first bay transformers movie
Well atleast I wasn't molested ¯_(ツ)_/¯
The Transformers are a GIFT FROM GOD, RANDALL!
Always wondered if this wasn't Smith trying to dunk on Dave Willis
If he just wanted to dunk on Dave Willis he should have just done so without dragging all of Transformers. Plenty of TF fans would have cheered if it was just that.
True, but I can't imagine how that guy would even be on Smith's radar in the first place.
Remember when we thought the the Transformers movies wouldn't suck?
But they didnt, at least the first one and third one didnt
i saw the first one and it was garbage so i didn't bother with any of the rest. i don't give a frick about the humans, i want to see a story only about robots
my boomer parents were decent who raised their kids right on don bluth, ralph bakshi wizards, rankin bass, short circuit and flight of dragons. there's just more normie boomers than there are normies of other generations
>short circuit
My dad loves that fricking movie
Holy frick, talk about being a shit father. I hope harley quinn smith one day comes out and says her dad molested her or some shit
>i saw the first one and it was garbage so i didn't bother with any of the rest. i don't give a frick about the humans, i want to see a story only about robots
You're literally proving why you're a moron that doesn't get input on what TF should be about by the way
You missed the point, he gets why people like geek shit. He is just not personally into 80s toy franchises because he was too old for it at the time. He does not have the nostalgia for them and the shows were actually pretty bad so he cannot really get why others are into them.
> and the shows were actually pretty bad
Piss off kevin
I loved Kevin Smith movies as a teenager especially Clerks. I tried watching Clerks again a year ago and couldn't last more than a few minutes. It was terrible.
Clerks and Chasing Amy are the only films he ever did that are even remotely "good".
I liked most of his 90s stuff, along with Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks 2. Starting with Zack and Miri Make a Porno I lose interest in his stuff.
Clerks 1 and 2
Mallrats
Animated series
Dogman
Chasing Amy
All good.
His ability to make a movie takes a dive immediately after Jay and Silent Bob, which is really more of a long Comedy Central show than a film. and drops off entirely after Clerks 2. It's like he completely forgot how in the hell to make a movie at all.
Yeah. I think I remember reading that Seth Rogen convinced him to smoke weed while making movies and got him more heavily into pot in general while making Zack and Miri. That seems to coincide with his movies getting worse. Not the only factor but I imagine it could've contributed.
i don't recall a Kevin Smith film called Dogman.
I was waiting for someone to notice that Dogma typo
This, it's Mallrats that is amazing if you were a 13 year old in the late 90s and damn hard to watch now.
I think Jersey Girl is his best
His best View Askew movie : Clerks (because it fitted his amateurism)
His best movie period : Jersey Girl (the cinematography is nice for a romcom and the finale is memorable)
He should have a John Hughes type of writer/producer, since he’s so terrible behind a camera. But all his scripts have all aged like trash (Chasing Amy takes the cake, the entire premise of the flick is a dude who doesn’t understand why a lesbian is not interested by his advances)
>because it fit
>He should have been
my bad for the oversights
I remember that brief era where Kevin Smith movies were a substitute for a personality for some people. They were the sort of movies someone would namedrop to prove that they had some kind of high IQ appreciation of indie cinema that was also raunchy, but not TOO raunchy, because it was about like.. relationships and break ups and adult drama stuff, y'know dude? Really, it was the projections of an overgrown manchild who needed another 30 years to outgrow that phase in his life, only to become a fricking husk because he has no other personality without that immature self-assured pseudointellectual shtick.
Kevin Smith is profound when your 9 & you want to emulate your stoner older brother.
But grow out of it. Hopefully.
When you're a pre-teen edgelord who just discovered Atheism, a movie like Dogma is fricking mindblowing.
>DUUUUUDE IT'S MAKING FUN OF THE CHURCH!
>IT'S USING THE BIBLE AGAINST BIBLETHUMPERS
>LOLOLOL SHIT DEMON! LOLOLOL
>GOD IS ALANIS MORISETTE HAHAHA SO EPIC!!
And it's a perfectly okay movie to be entertained by when you're a fricking young moron, but it's fricking embarrassing to watch as an adult.
Then you find out ALL Gen-Xers are like that.
Just the online ones really. I've met/worked with Gen Xers who don't even know who the frick Kevin Smith is.
My dad hates Kevin Smiths guts
I consider this stuff to be more of a pushback to the late 80s-early 90s era satanic panic when Pat Robertson basically became one of the most successful cult leaders in american history, and everyone's parents and grandparents were following everything that man commanded. And then around 1991 or so Halloween was banned in a lot of small towns, loads of fun yet ordinary, normal things were banned, and life was just miserable for anyone growing up in that time in half the small towns. So you end up with a generation of neurotic guys with this
>Hey frick the churches!
attitude and they go on to make shit like Dogma and Moral Orel.
And it's not really a churches, religion bad thing, it's just people are on board for stuff like going on sunday, get togethers and potluck dinners, but not so much the raving mad apocalypse cult, rage at everything, declare everything Satan, hate everything craziness Robertson and James Dobson were pushing back in 88-92
That stuff was part of the broader culture at the time yeah, but Smith himself was a Catholic. Went to a Catholic school and everything. He wasn't an atheist making the movie either, he still considered himself a Catholic at the time even though if his beliefs weren't orthodox. Dogma pissed off a lot of the type you're talking about at the time (along with the Catholic League) but the movie wasn't intended to be just a frick you to Catholicism or religion, even though it's poking fun at aspects of it.
From an article in 1999:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-nov-10-ca-31798-story.html
>The fact is, Smith considers himself a good Catholic, even a “religious nut” of sorts. The writer-director sees his new comedy, “Dogma,” which opens Friday, as a reverent act of faith: questioning some of organized Christianity’s man-made doctrines but exuberantly affirming the existence and benevolence of God.
>That his passion has been, in his eyes, so profoundly misunderstood by those who see “Dogma” as a blasphemous mockery of Catholicism perturbs, puzzles, and yes, pains him.
>“It’s a bit disconcerting because you’re trying to do the work of Christ . . . to go out there and spread the good word,” Smith said in an interview this week. “I don’t make a movie like ‘Dogma’ to make fun of the Catholic Church. I talk about stuff in ‘Dogma’ to make the church more human so people aren’t so put off by it. Faith is something you can attain.”
Another article
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/kevin-smith-s-religious-experience-clerks-2899703.php
>"I'm a practicing Catholic," says Smith, talking from his home in New Jersey. "I go to Mass every Sunday."
>Does he believe that Jesus died for his sins? "Yeah, I go with that," he says. "Generally, I'm pretty much in line with most doctrines of the church.
So basically my post here
is just agreeing with what you said here
>And it's not really a churches, religion bad thing, it's just people are on board for stuff like going on sunday, get togethers and potluck dinners, but not so much the raving mad apocalypse cult, rage at everything, declare everything Satan, hate everything craziness Robertson and James Dobson were pushing back in 88-92
Same with joss wheadon
That era was fricking annoying, when Whedon was considered some intellectual elite genius because he kept putting snappy one liners and meaningless nonsense conversations into his stuff.
It wasn't even necessarily a fresh or original take, but for enough people it was new to them and accessible through TV. There'd be quippy, snarky heroes for ages before Joss came around, but he did that same shtick on primetime TV and all the people who never watched or read anything with a wisecracking hero went nuts for his hack-y bullshit.
Is this what this thread is, just a bunch of contrarians hating on these movies because normalgays enjoy them?
No i hate kevin smith because he ruined the MOTU show and because i cringe when i look back as a teen and thought his slop was high art
I feel like there's a large range of quality between high art and garbo, this isn't Cinemaphile you can treat stuff as average quality.
Ill be honest anon, even if clerks is an okay film i cant even enjoy it anymore after seeing what kevin did to he man and seeing how hes turned out.
Which was always a weird thing when the man has never once worked on or made anything high fantasy scifi before. I feel like that whole situation were just out of touch boomer executives claiming
>Hey we need someone in charge of this well known nerd property!
>I know, let's hire the guy who is a well known nerd that talks about nerd shit in his movies!
>Genius!
Entertainment industry executives were scrambling a couple years ago to find nerd guys to use as part of their plan to push into other nerd media. They wanted a JJ Abrams for streaming service cartoons. It's how Seth Rogen ended up a executive producer on so many animated shows and movies. Netflix probably expected Kevin Smith to be their nostalgic nerd shit cartoon guy who would put a mature and edgy spin on old cartoons and revitalize their gutted animation department.
Smith was in high school when the big toy commercial 80s shows were around. He genuinely has no idea why adults are into them because he is from that 70s era time period when boomers fricking hated all things cartoon.
Remember when Quentin Tarantino ruined superman forever?
No, because his monologue is window to Bill's character instead of Superman's. Bill imagines himself to be a superman, and he projects his own twisted value system onto Clark.
Anon, you’re on Cinemaphile. We like to steer clear of that sort of intelligent interpretation if at all possible. The monologue about Superman had nothing to do with the movie; Tarantino was just thinking about how neat Superman was while he was writing the script so he added it in.
>I need to post pictures of myself crying to twitter because......BECAUSE I JUST DO OKAY!!!
What Thor 2 does to a mother fricker
Does he hate thor 2 or something? Its not a good movie or anything but did smith have like a meltdown over thor 2? Because i remember oneyplays mentioning something about it
>did smith have like a meltdown over thor 2?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/kevin-smith-crying
Batman doesn't wear a mask under his mask, why would you even think to bring him up? Of course the guy looked at you like you were an idiot, Kevin.
If he didn't have some weird hateboner for 80s things nerds still love, maybe he'd know the guy who often wears a mask under his mask is Cobra Commander.
I swear to god I've seen multiple scenes of people taking off batman's mask, and he just has a second identical mask.
Runyon kicks ass
He probably thought of that Batman line on his way back to his car while he was crying and shaking. Good God, what an insufferable homosexual. And it's not even clever! Batman's mask leaves his fricking mouth uncovered, you withered dipshit.
Remember that time Kevin Smith was a homosexual?
I could go for a Cowtipper Burger right now.
Kevin Smith is a creep.
When he wrote Spider-Man he had Black cat drugged & raped.
Kevin Smith seems like a good guy to me. A bit naive maybe, but he feels like an average dude that made it and enjoys making movies with his friends. Even though I disagree with him on some things, he doesn't seem like a hateful person.
Shut the frick up kevin, that heart attack shouldve taken you maybe then you wouldnt have lived long enough to have raped he man
I don't even like anything he's made in the past 20 years, just saying as a dude he seems alright to me.
...He retconned sexual assault into Felicia's backstory, What aren't you getting?
That's a poor writing decision, but it doesn't make him a creep.
>He doesn't know.
Kevin diddled a little girl when he was 15 & acts the victim.
It's not very nice to make up stories about people.
He talked about it on twitter.
No he didn't.
He and the girl were the same age and a 15 year old made them do it
Maybe he just wanted to give her something else she could relate to Peter about, who also had sexual assault retconned into his backstory.
That doesn't make it better!
when???
Skip
To me he seems like a successful version of the Channel Awesome geeks. A nerd that made movies with his friends and they were successful at it. But he was only really capable of making movies with his friends, and the second he tried doing something real he fumbled and made pure shit.
Pretty much.
So like israeliteWario?
I agree. Kevin Smith may suck at writing comics (aside from Green Arrow), but he seems like he'd be pretty fun to hang out with
Pretty sure it was just a joke about nerds fighting over whos interests were better.
Yeah but he was using it as a mouthpiece to shit on need franchises he didnt like such as LOTR or transformers
Kevin is a weirdo that talks about wieners too much to overcompensate for growing up soft.
>Remember that time
No because I wasn't one of the tiny number of people who watched the Clerk's sequels.
Low as frick budget on both and BOTH bombed.
>Passive aggressively blames his daughter on why Yoga Hosers failed.
Wait what? Did he seriously throw his daughter under the bus because that shit movie didnt do well? Thats fricking evil
It was to the effect of "It was her idea."
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>naming your daughter after your waifu
Kevin is that cousin that tattles on you.
Nope
Who would win in a street fight between Kevin Smith and Ernest Cline?
Those are the eyes of a killer
>Ready Player One was actually Ernest's manifesto and we didn't realize it
Smith is to frail and weak from losing all that weight. Cline would sodomize Smith.
>The best thing you ever did is read a Swamp Thing comic on your podcast.