We need to go back to when comics appealed to people who actually read comic books
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Rule 34 and high speed internet porn in general have rendered "Sex sells" irrelevant, though.
Have they?
I dunno about that one.
It's kinda weird, like yes and no There's obvious shit that is selling off sex appeal. Especially quick consumption shit. Like I think deep down people like some sexiness in their media but it's hard to gauge what and how people respond to ontop of it ultimately not being necessary with all the other platforms. But even so, there's always going to be a niche of weirdoes who like their coombait to be canon.
Sex sells with a parasocial element. the internet coom market thrives off specific niches and endearing itself to people beyond just boomer playboy pinups. Take in your clussy example, clussy became big not just because the clowngirl is hot, but because of the video, the memes, the attitude of the clowngirl herself.
comics will just have a pinup of an angry b***h who hates men and think that's enough
Okay but what about anime and manga? Especially on the whole "angry b***h who hates men" bit since one of the top meme b***hes is memed as a femcel.Or Lady Dimetrescu for that matter. Plus regular ol' coombait like Street Fighter getting a decent push for their female characters. Like the parasocial aspect is very much a reaction to the physical in the first place. I think comics' biggest issue is NOBODY GIVES A FRICK, sex selling is an old meme
>Nobody cares about comics
Yeah well WHY doesn't anyone care about comics? You ever think about that?
Only comics could make futa pregnancy lame.
The thing is you've convinced yourself there was ever an era where people cared about comics. There wasn't.
You may be thinking of citing the 90s. Don't. They didn't care about comics then either; they cared about "collectors items".
Shonen Jump's current circulation is a little over a million units. The error you make is thinking you need MORBILLIONS to care about comic books when only a couple thousand will suffice.
Niche hobby is niche buddy.
>muh manga
Is that circulation in the US or are you using Japan's numbers and claiming those are the same thing? Japan and America are very different countries.
Is that print copies sold in stores or online downloads? Those are very different things.
Your numbers are missing vital context and what's more I think you know that.
Japan only circulation per week and only physical print copies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_manga_magazines_by_circulation
In comparison, US publishers are hiding their numbers cause they can't even break a million units per issue each week. Japan is a tiny island, USA is a way bigger market.
>Japan only circulation per week and only physical print copies.
Once again. Japan and America are very different countries.
-21% of Americans are illiterate. In Japan, it's only 1%.
Americans are more spread out and drive individual cars. Japanese relies far more heavily on light rail and mass transit, which gives newsstands a reason to exist.
Japan, culturally, has held onto older forms of media like VHS and cassette tapes for far longer than Americans have. Even big box stores like Best Buy in the US are completely phasing out their physical media sections.
Japan creates anime to elp bolster the popularity of their manga and vice versa. Capeshit prides itself on the movies and games and everything else being their own separate things.
Japan advertises when its print volumes are going to be released. When was the last time you saw a commercial for a comic book?
America being a bigger country doesn't matter. A lot of that is either empty land or filled with people that were never readers of ANYTHING to begin with, much less a niche thing like comics. Japan just has more readers.
>21% of America is illiterate
Please tell me that's from children 6 and younger and immigrants who just haven't picked up English.
No to the first. Maybe to the second?
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp
>U.S.-born adults make up two-thirds of adults with low levels of English literacy skills in the United States.
>White and Hispanic adults make up the largest percentage of U.S. adults with low levels of English literacy, 35 percent and 34 percent respectively
It's 21%. I was going to bullet point the list with dashes but forgot.
>-21%
>Minus twenty-one percent
>Okay but what about anime and manga? Especially on the whole "angry b***h who hates men" bit since one of the top meme b***hes is memed as a femcel.Or Lady Dimetrescu for that matter. Plus regular ol' coombait like Street Fighter getting a decent push for their female characters.
because they have an angle. And appeal .You want to break a b***hy anime girl Or be broken by her. theyhave a personality, even a really surface level one.
Most of these capeshit girls don't have that. There's no chase, no appeal, no dynamic. Starfire in OP's pic is just "grrr dumb earth man! But I want sex!" But nothing makes me feel that aggression, it's the same generic Sports illustrated referenced b***h but in orange.
It's why cartoon Starfire has so much more porn, because her personality gives her something unique.
Show us your receipts.
What are you paying for?
What are you pirating?
Not Cinemaphile and it was a few years ago, but Monster Musume sold well.
Not really. Manga full of hot girls and fanservice are the only comics still selling well in the west.
Yet Zenoscope still exists and Zombie Tramp just had a successful kickstarter.
There is an audience for hot half naked chicks. Always will be.
Has this ever actually been proven true?
Like has there been any kind of comic or show or movie that didn't make money cause it had a hot woman?
>Has this ever actually been proven true?
>Like has there been any kind of comic or show or movie that didn't make money cause it had a hot woman?
No, this is a moronic Tumblr invention
Idk about you, but if I saw at least more cheesecake like OP's pic, I'd be buying more comics. The character can be the biggest b***h in the world or written like absolute dogshit, but if thier at least drawn as coomer bait, sure I'll drop 5 bones.
the c in Cinemaphile doesn't stand for cuck, the argument that there should be no sexyiess in entertainment cuz porn is gay
My brother in Christ do you know how much cash OF thots rake in daily
The gooner audience's pockets are infinitely deep
I'm just getting the message that people who'd be willing to spend money to coom would put it towards thots instead of comic books
Zenoscope is a publisher that does "Hot chicks" and they seem to have ZERO problems staying in business. Yes there is a comic book coomer audience.
Anime & manga make millions just on cute & or sexy girls. It's not hard to figure out the male audience wants attractive women. They will buy products featuring them.
The issue is Zenoscope is SOLELY coomer market, I'm sure their bottom line is lower than the watertable so it doesn't hurt that much but if Marvel had Zenoscope numbers they'd cancel everything. However going solely for coomer bucks is fine if you're independent and have your comics set up online all for yourself.
I beg to differ since most rule 34 goes way off model.
Bullshit, sex does not have a time limit.
What is pleasing to the eye, remains pleasing to the eye.
Pic unrelated, I presume. The New 52 was an attack on every single long time reader.
this
OP image is from a big relaunch a decade ago that obviously failed if it's not what comics are about today
it doesn't sell
>Just two more weeks and they'll really be dead right?
This particular image came from a book that sold 50,501 copies in September 2011 when it was released. It was the #1 issue of the series. A year later in August 2012 it sold 34,439 copies, and when it ended in March 2015 it sold just 17,110. To put that in perspective, in a market of general decline for print periodicals Red Hood and the Outlaws final issue sold 1/3 of what Soap Opera Digest sold in the same market in the first half of 2023 per AAM figures. That's a magazine for people who want to read about television shows because they don't have time to watch them and don't know what wikipedia is. At no point in Red Hood and the Outlaws run did it ever exceed the sales of Soap Opera Digest in the first half of 2023, and that's the paid and verified circulation - not just the number of copies sold to retailers (which is something only the comic book market even does) which may not be passed on to consumers and effectively become the world's most expensive mylar pouched landfill.
Elle Quebec - the "French"-language (Quebecois, which is a pretty rustic dialect spoken by almost nobody) version of Elle Canada, the version of Elle produced for a country with a total population of 40.5 million where that 0.5 million are the Quebecois population, of which about half are actually women and of those maybe 120k are in the age bracket Elle targets, had 26k paid and verified average monthly sales in Q1-Q2 2023. That's 1/4 to 1/5 of Quebecois women aged 18-39 buying the magazine and that's almost a decade of sales drops - because all print sales are dropping- after Red Hood and the Outlaws, and they still beat its final months by a wide margin.
If anything Red Hood and the Outlaws should be a rustic French style magazine aimed at women, at least we know they buy shit.
Capeshit Comics were failing years ago because adults and kids, realized they were trash. This won’t “fix” anything. People simply don’t care anymore.
You seem knowledgeable about their quality. How many do you keep up with again? Just two more weeks and they'll really be dead right?
Damn, New52 was horny and edgy as frick, but that's barely a sign of a quality or appeal to the audience.
>"Readers like DicKori because of the 2003 cartoon? FRICK THAT! LET'S HAVE KORI FRICK EVERY RANDOM DUDE SHE MEETS!"
The problem was that when OP pic came out, Starfire had already amassed a large fandom from the cartoon.
So when those fans saw that OP and other new 52 Starfire, they were appalled and brought their fury online with them.
Especially women who were little girls when the cartoon came out.
That cartoon was a mistake.
The only real outrage I remember at the time was people pissed off she'd slept with Roy and was implied to have with Jason. Plus debate over fricking someone with amnesia counting as rape. The only person I remember saying it was offending the cartoon fans was that moron who did Shortpacked.
This made Cartoon Network secondaries lose their minds
Can you define the word secondaries for use in that context or just in general?
People who do not know the characters from their original depiction but through adaptations of dubious accuracy
That ended in 2015
>ended in 2015
Lmao no things had long gone to shit by then. Begone child
because that's shitty cheesecake. Awful, airbrushed looking crap. Twitter artists make better, more appealing stuff. Capeshit renders everything shiny and sinewy
I sometimes forget she's an alien.
I remember everyone shitting on this comic for years after it came out.
We didn’t know how good we had it
Hi, non-Western comics reader here. Forgive my poor English, but what happened to comics? I remember when superhero comics were about hero vs villain, The Hero is strong and fit, the villain is evil and bad, and it was not about sexuality, or pronouncing, or skin color, it was never about politics, but now it's just bad, I still read comics but not as I used to, the local store where I used to get comics used to sell lots of comics and if you are late you won't find comics you like, but now it stopped selling because no o e wants to buy them anymore. I asked my friend who read comics why did he stopped, he said he couldn't enjoy comics anymore, he loved Catwoman and she-hulk but he said they turned into insufferable b***hes, she Hulk was a beautiful hero and now she looks like a man. My dad used to love Black lighting because he is a principal himself, he said it's cool they made o e into a hero who saves his students, but it turned into a political matter and the hero stopped caring about students.
Comics aren't written by fans for fans anymore, they're written by people with an agenda and see comic books as a platform for their ideology. These activist writers are all about diversity of skin color and sexual orientation, but never diversity of thought.
Shittiest bait on the block try better
>it was never about politics
Honey....
It was WW2, dude. Punching Hitler was old school WW2 propaganda. All for the war effort. Nothing to do with modern politics.
>It was WW2, dude.
Actually it wasn't. At least not for Americans.
Captain America #1 came out in 1940, meaning he was punching Hitler a full year before Pearl Harbor and America's entry into WW2. When we were still very much staying out of it.
The very israeli Joe Simon and Jack Kirby were absolutely making a political statement rather than supporting the existing prevailing opinions. It got enough of a pushback that their offices needed to have police posted for security.
Nobody liked this when it came out, stop coping like a homosexual.
Worst possible example, this comic was shit and sold poorly.
People fliped out when this comic came out. I swear people on this board have the memory of a fish.
And cheesecake comics still come out.
These outrage posts most be coming from people who either dont read comics, or their too young to even remember New 52. The irony is that they whine just as much as their woke counterparts. Just look at any Spider-Man thread where Black Cat is brought up.
Remeber back when people on here actually gave a shit about comics? We used to read them together and discuss them, now people dont even bother to wikipedia the subject. What the frick happened to America?
>What the frick happened to America?
A black guy got elected president and everyone decided it was time to just ctrl+z the whole nation rather than risk that again.
Do you ever think that does not as many sexy images of girls and Comics now because they know you can just Google stuff and seize super sexualized images of those same characters sometimes even naked despite never being naked in official material?
you could do that 20 years ago
Yes but the guys who did it 20 years ago are now make a comics so they don't see the point.
Still Ill Comics i.e. the imprint by the Zombie Tramp guy (Dan Mendoza) says otherwise. Not all porn is equal and not everyone wants the same generic porn you do.
I like Starfire but Raven is better
Western cheesecake mostly sucks.
Rocafort is a pretty great artist, but he tends to draw breasts that look like bolt-ons.
Zenescope comics look generic and unsexy.
Part of the reason manga does well is how hot the chicks are.
It's a much needed skill, like drawing good action. Just recently, a Birds of Prey comic seemed to get extra attention because some fill-in artist drew the girls with nice bodies and faces.
this, most of the house style/jim Lee shit just looks like boomer garbage. they never look soft or fit, just metallic.
>We need to go back to when comics appealed to people who actually read comic books
Anyone who disagrees with this sentence is deliberately being disingenuous.
The people who read comics were the one that talked about the lore, continuity, character development, and power levels. The one's that only talked about the girls were secondaries who couldn't even get the names right.
>people who read comics
>talking about power levels
You just proved that you're a disingenuous fake yourself. That's some shit that never happened and you know it.
Also,
>secondaries
Go back 2 reddit or twitter or wherever you came from right now and don't ever come back, you literally autistic homosexual. You aren't part of the old school fandom and you never were.
RHATO 2011 was NOT written for comic book connoisseurs lmaoooooo
I got banned from CBR for posting this in like 2015. I told them they were gonna kill the industry but nobody listened
CBR started banning anyone who questioned the industry around 2013 or so and on. The site turned to shit as a result.
wtf
You weren't wrong then and it's still relevant now.
I like sexy comic ladies as much as the next guy but turning Starfire into a prostitute was a terrible decision
People wanted the female characters to be fetish dolls who fricked around to remember them?