Remember when Stannis burned his 11 year old daughter to death as a sacrifice to gain victory and died shortly after
What's up with that
Remember when Stannis burned his 11 year old daughter to death as a sacrifice to gain victory and died shortly after
I remember when Benioff and Weiss came up with this stupid shit, yes.
What did the israeli producers mean by this?
>what did israelites mean by child sacrifice??
What do you mean? Sounds like your average Shabbat to me
>pretending they don't sacrifice stolen Christian babies rather than their own children
Nice try rabbi.
>Benioff and Weiss came up with this stupid shit
You must know something the rest of us don't.
George confirmed stannis will make the decision to burn his daughter. Whether he dies after like in the show is up in the air
Well this is dumb. He's not even close to Castle Black in the books and he gave specific orders to put his daughter on the throne if anything were to happen to him.
But if George said so...
yeah the consensus is that the reason for burning Shireen is presumably completely different.
but that doesn't mean GRRM knows how to write the books up to that scene, so it's almost irrelevant.
If George has stannis fail to take winterfell and die like in the show it will be a waste of like half the book with nothing to move the plot forward, he NEEDS to let stannis trim the loose ends of the Boltons before he dies
>George confirmed stannis will make the decision to burn his daughter.
No he didn't you lying Black person
Look I hate it as much as anyone but he literally word for word said he let d&d know about “stannis’ decision to burn shireen”. He might be lying he might have changed his mind but those were his exact words
>Spoiling your own books before you even write them
Honestly the more time passes, the more that George looks like a brainlet in my eyes.
Frick this, fricking hack.
Book Stannis would never. he makes his knights all swear to put his daughter on the throne if he should die.
Besides Stannis is currently already camped out on campaign with his daughter and wife back at one of the castles several days away.
Then again GRRM committing himself too hacky psychic time travel making someone moronic to close a door already proves that the rest of the books are going to have a lot of shit in them.
Anon if I’ve said it once I’ve said it a hundred times.
ADWD was some hot garbage.
What else sucked about ADWD? I haven’t read the books in a few years, and I normally read them all in a row so they blend.
For me it was that Martin ends with not one, not two but four "this character is close to death" cliffhangers (Stannis, Jamie, Jon & Dany). It cemented the concept that GRRM had run out of ideas by that point.
I thought it was rambling shit that wasn’t any where near the same level of quality as the first three books and with hindsight proved to me that George doesn’t know how to wrap it up properly.
But this is a personal opinion of course.
Dorne. Nuff said
Dorne to yah
he has ideas for *conceptually* good scenes he can't string together into a story that would work in practice. this has been known for years now.
but you should calm down because GRRM's plan is clearly that Stannis will defeat Ramsay and only burn Shireen because he thinks its the only way to save the world from the Others.
>only burn Shireen because he thinks its the only way to save the world from the Others
How is that any different than the show?
>Rations and supplies destroyed by 20 good men
>Cold setting in hard and morale is dropping
>Burn daughter in the hopes to lift the cold so you can liberate the North from Bolton which opens the door to fight the Others threat
This
I'm not a Stannis fan but you can clearly tell in the books that he's not going to be persuaded to burn Shireen. He didn't even burn Edric Storm until Davos heard about the news that Joffrey was killed and feared that the 3 leeches sacrifice was true and would tempt Stannis into sacrificing his nephew.
Even the show screwed up the order of the leech burnings. In the book, Robb was the last one to be named and Stannis hesitated for a bit unlike TV Stannis who immediately named Robb as the false king. It's evident that the showrunners were biased as frick against Stannis since day 1.
I think Stannis will never be king in the books, but it would be an ironic twist that his daughter is crowned queen because she's the last legitimate claimant left and the one that nobody in-universe expected. She's the dark horse that pulled through.
Plus there's this little foreshadowing that GRRM put in which seems like Chekov's gun:
>"Don't be afraid," Jon told them. "There is no harm in him, Your Grace. This is Wun Wun."
>"Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun." The giant's voice rumbled like a boulder crashing down a mountainside. He sank to his knees before them. Even kneeling, he loomed over them. "Kneel Queen. Little Queen." Words that Leathers had taught him, no doubt.
>Princess Shireen's eyes went wide as dinner plates. "He's a giant! A real true giant, like from the stories."
A giant is kneeling in front of Shireen and says Queen in her presence. I don't think it was meant for Selyse, but a hinting that Shireen will be the Queen of Westeros. Remember it's through the female line that the Durrandons continued via Argella, it's through the female line that Stannis can claim kingship from his Targaryen grandmother, and it's through the female line that Stannis' legacy will continue.
>Shireen will be the Queen of Westeros
This would really make me happy ngl
I'm a student of history and seeing at all the clues and historical parallels, it seems that Shireen is the Elizabeth I it looks like.
GRRM has stated before that Stannis is a righteous man and not just a version of Tiberius, Louis XI, or Henry VII.
Tiberius was the Roman emperor who was unappreciated (watch I, Claudius to see where Stannis is modeled after) but managed to subdue the Germanic barbarians at the border (ala wildlings at the Wall).
Louis XI (The Universal Spider) was the post-Hundred Years War king of France who reformed the administration and brought it into the early modern age and out of medievalism. That sounds a lot like what Stannis' style in governance.
Henry VII of Richmond was the last claimant for the Lancastrian cause. Nobody thought he would succeed much less even consider him a threat until Richard III became king. He failed at invading England until 1485 where he finally took some mercenaries and recruited local Welshmen to defeat Richard III and bring an end to the Wars of the Roses and bring England to the modern age like Louis XI did for France. Again, Stannis was defeated at Blackwater. Now he's getting a loan from the Iron Bank to hire sellswords and he's marching with Northmen to save the realm.
Everyone will die including Stannis (though I hope Jon lives to become Shireen's lord of the wildlings) and Shireen becomes Queen; thus being the one more beautiful (beauty in soul and heart) than Cersei according to Maggy the Frog's prophecy.
Good post.
Ok now I'm interested. Every time i see anons posting theories 1000x more interesting than whatever D&D did i hate the show even more.
You know what theory I wish is true? The one that postulates Aerys the Mad King is actually Jon Snow's father.
>“You know, I asked him about who Jon Snow's real parents were, and he told me. I can't say who, but I can tell you that it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situation.
Now Jon of course would be depressed that Ned isn't his real father and that Rhaegar is his bio dad, but I don't think he'd have a soul-crushing meltdown like Luke did when Vader. revealed the truth.
"The Mad King is actually your father, Jon."
"THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!"
I could totally see Book Jon have that moment like Luke.
Remember how Aerys II tasked Rhaegar to discover the identity of the Knight of the Laughing Tree? We all know it's strongly hinted that it was Lyanna in disguise. So Rhaegar abducted Lyanna to bring to his father as a dutiful son, but he didn't imagine the Mad King was going to forcibly rape her. Rhaegar is horrified and spirits her away to the Tower of Joy to help her recuperate from Aerys' abuse. Aerys did the same to his sister Queen Rhaella too from Jaime's flashbacks.
By the time Robert's Rebellion breaks out, Rhaegar catches wind of what his moronic father did and has to clean up the mess. It's also why Ned doesn't hold a grudge against Rhaegar because he knows the truth and that it was Aerys that did the raping (so Robert was right that Lyanna was raped by a Targaryen, but it wasn't Rhaegar). And Lyanna's "Promise me Ned..." was actually "Promise me Ned you'll kill that rape spawn of mine" but Ned couldn't because enough of his bloodline had died and he wasn't going to kill his innocent nephew.
Wouldn't that be an awesome twist? It still has Jon be half-Targaryen half-Stark while Rhaegar actually WAS the innocent dude who had to pay for his dad's insanity. Still a Song of Ice & Fire right?
That quote about Jon Snow's real parents and the Luke Skywalker situation is from Theon's actor when he asked GRRM.
https://www.vulture.com/2012/06/game-of-thrones-theon-alfie-allen-interview.html
>gets raped
>gets kidnapped and held in a tower away from her family for a year to “recuperate”
was she afraid of what Robert would do if he found out what Happened? I don’t think he’d kill her for that. Also moon tea exists
I think she was spirited away to the Tower of Joy after months of rape and she was heavy with child. She probably wanted to try and commit an abortion but Rhaegar prevented that because it's another Targaryen that could bring the prophecy true.
Moon tea is just a plot cheat.
Took you long enough
You had no problems with all the degeneracy in his books like Qarth naked female dancers backflipping in the air to land with their veganas on erect penises of male dancers? Unless he introduces a troony or black characters that aren't from the summer islands, I don't mind.
You mean warged into them one at a time to experience godlike POV?
holy shit. but that would make dany and jon...oh my god.
Grosser (or hotter) than her being his aunt.
>Grosser
*more gross
It would also justify the 3 dragon's heads that Rhaegar talked about; all spawns from rape that Aerys II inflicted.
Daenerys was the byproduct of Aerys II getting all hot and horny after burning Ned's brother and dad so he brutally fricked Rhaelle.
Jon could be the 2nd dragon's head after Aerys raping Lyanna Stark. In The World of Ice & Fire, it even mentions that young Aerys II was a huge womanizer and had tons of mistresses. Whose to say he decided to taste Northern pussy as a sick bastard?
And controversially, imagine if Tyrion WAS the rape child of Aerys and Joanna Lannister so it's ironic that despite Genna saying that Tyrion is the most Tywin of the 3 kids, he's actually Aerys II's son (though that cleverness could still be a Lannister trait since Joanna was cousins to Tywin).
So there you have it, you still have the Dragon Queen, the Wolf of the North, and the Little Lion as the trio that book lovers and show fans all hyped up, but they're also the fricked-up result of the Mad King's rape fests.
>The Mad King is the true villain of the story
I certainly wouldn't see it coming. Holy shit.
Now my theory of King Bran's rape-based economy doesn't seem so far-fetched.
AFFC gets a lot of shit here but Victarion chapters were some of my favoritees in the whole series.
Ever see Mighty Max? It was a great cartoon from the 90's that ended with a great twist (only because the show ran out of funding) but it was still a neat idea.
Basically, what if everybody fails to stop the Others? Bran with the last bit of his power sends his consciousness back in time to chapter 1 of A Game of Thrones as a loop to try and avert the disaster. Hence the last book is "A Dream of Spring" because it's the last hope for victory against eternal winter.
>Ever see Mighty Max?
Yeah and I even had several of the toy sets as a kid.
I wasn't even born when the series was out. I saw it all on Youtube a couple of years ago because Cinemaphile recommended it and I decided to watch it. Was pretty impressed how dark it was.
Anyhow, I don't mind Stannis "winning" as in he (along with Jon, the Night's Watch, the wildlings, Bran, and others) defeat the Others, but he dies in the end. The only ones standing are Jon, Bran, and others who will help Shireen rebuild the realm from its trauma as they all prepare for the winter to end and for the dreams of spring to give hope.
I have a hunch that time frickery is what creates the others in the first place. George’s original name for the walkers was the “neverborn”, someone went back in time to try and kill Hitler before he was born and the ice zombies are aborted spirits outside of time
I also think there's a deadly cycle of fate that has to repeat itself every thousands of years. Remember Old Nan's tale about the Last Hero?
>"Now these were the days before the Andals came, and long before the women fled across the narrow sea from the cities of the Rhoyne, and the hundred kingdoms of those times were the kingdoms of the First Men, who had taken these lands from the children of the forest. Yet here and there in the fastness of the woods the children still lived in their wooden cities and hollow hills, and the faces in the trees kept watch. So as cold and death filled the earth, the last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a sword, a horse, a dog, and a dozen companions. For years he searched, until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the Others smelled the hot blood in him, and came silent on his trail, stalking him with packs of pale white spiders big as hounds—"
I think the Last Hero is the current Night's King who got turned when he failed his mission. So after thousands of years, the cycle begins where the next candidate for saviorship and a dozen companions (and a dog) set out to defeat the Others. I think the dog is Jon whose stuck in Ghost's body. Jon's spirit (get it ghost?) still lives while his body is possessed by the Others as a vessel thanks to the innate power its bloodline possesses.
Meanwhile Stannis, Jaime, Brienne, Tormund and other heroes have to set force and try to see if they can break the cycle.
So its Mass Effect 3 all along? Damn..
I think you nailed it, I could also see stannis as a candidate for the modern night king/failed last hero when burning shireen fails and he breaks and gives himself to the others
I fricking love every chapter with that moron. His voyage to Slaver's Bay is hilarious. Like the monkeys, the maester who got butt-raped, encountering Moqorro, getting the volcano arm, capturing those slave ships and "liberating" them, the slave girls he choose.
Also Kingsmoot is god-tier. Farwynd would be my choice.
>Farwynd would be my choice.
GYLBERT! GYLBERT KING!
I thought it was pretty cool how his castle was called The Lonely Light and was and 8 day sail from The Iron Islands.
Well it is the farthest one away from Westeros. Plus his idea of exploring new lands makes him a lot more Viking than the moronic Ironborn usually are.
They really are.
I love how he boasts to that dusky woman how no man can withstand a dude who has the backing of 2 gods. I fricking love Victarion despite being a brutish thug. I could read an entire series just about him going around the world with his fleet.
>puts the remaining 7 girls on a boat and burns it
>triple offering to The Seven, The Drowned God and R'hllor.
Kino.
Victorian chapters are just fun adventure and moronkino.
Them being siblings is bland. Dany being Jons aunt is much hotter.
>Dany being Jons aunt is much hotter.
it's only hot if there's an age difference, if she's a milf. If they are the same age then it's not as hot, and just general incest. Might as well make them siblings or cousins at that point
Incest's attractiveness is the taboo in it (Jaime & Cersei). But Targs have been fricking each other for ages, its almost like they're a different species, so there's literally nothing to it. Dany being Jon's sister or aunt is just meh. Its literally what their Valyrian race does.
So George just lied to d&d? Idk man
I think that GRRM beta-tested ideas with D&D. He gave them enough info to see if they could execute his stuff properly and that audiences would react well.
So now that GRRM knows what NOT to do, he can rewrite the storyline after the fallout of the TV series. It gives him plausible deniability that he didn't know how to finish the series originally when HBO approached him, but he can make the excuse that he had to make some changes on the way.
>I think that GRRM beta-tested ideas with D&D. He gave them enough info to see if they could execute his stuff properly and that audiences would react well.
I wouldn't put it past GERM to think of this and get completely destroyed in his own hubris
>Be GERMS
>Test the waters to see if people like your stupid ideas
>So bad that it causes Game of Thrones to be completely memory hole'd and is remembered now solely for the shit ending and the shit lead-up to it
>Cry on your blog about it
Could also be the “twist” George was talking about that involves dead show characters, he could have simply changed his mind and the twist is stannis really is the chosen one
Its entirely possible that, if House of the Dragon keeps doing well, that GRRM will finally get some sort of motivation to finish off Winds, and then HBO will cash in on that to call in D&D for a redemption arc where they basically redo the show from Season 5 onwards. No one ever said no to a little nostalgia cash-grab, after all. They'll use the Bran time travel meme to also technically make it a continuation of Season 8, somehow.
The more realistic outcome though, is House of the Dragon also goes to shit around the third season, knowing HBO's track record.
If he didn't release Winds the same day S8E1 aired then he's not doing it for House of the gayon.
Don't be that certain. But I'm just saying, if there's one way out of that mess, it would be that. Sadly Dragon House is probably gonna go to shit in Season 3, as common of an HBO show.
I’d rather them just remake the series as an animated series
Realistically, no matter how old the actors have gotten, they still look familiar enough to pass as their old characters. Normies won't give a shit about 30 something Sophie Turner showing up to play 20s Sansa again, in a few years. Make up and shit will do wonders. Stephen Dillane won't turn down a few extra bucks to have a go at brooding on camera some more.
That's generally my worry too, that HOTD is gonna end up fricking shit, like they'll end all nuance, turn Aegon II and Greens into a caricature villain by S3 and have Rhaenyra be full yas queen. They'll be very, very tempted to.
>Aegon II and Greens into a caricature villain by S3 and have Rhaenyra be full yas queen
They better not frick up Blood & Cheese. Or Rhaenyra's descent into moronation when she captures King's Landing.
The scenes I'm looking forward to is Jace's adventures in the Vale and the North. Especially when he meets Cregan and bros it up with him. Imagine a sequence where a hostile Cregan bluntly asks why he should support Rhaenyra, and Jace makes a compelling heart-felt argument and adds in a bit of humor. Cregan scoffs...and then cracks open a smile for Jace's audacity and honesty. Scene cuts to the 2 of them getting drunk at a feast as the Northmen roar that they will fight and die for the dragon queen with Roddy the Ruin toasting Rhaenyra's honor on his life.
>Or Rhaenyra's descent into moronation when she captures King's Landing.
I'm really worried because "Rhaenyra's tax policy" is one of the most important points of autism of George's work- it's literally his followup on the Aragorn tax quote.
It is, but it also shows that Rhaenyra really fumbled the ball by not reading the situation and mishandling the citizenry. It happens all the time in history and it's meant to deconstruct the victorious queen capturing the capital.
Remember the Dance of the Dragons is basically a fantasy version of The Anarchy; a civil war between the daughter of King Henry I whom he made all the lords swear oaths that she would be the successor and Henry's nephew Stephen of Blois who usurped the throne. Mathilda, Henry's daughter, really alienated people for dipshit decisions too.
>Stephen Dilliane won’t turn down a few bucks to brood on camera.
I don’t know about that anon. Dilliane openly stated that he didnt really enjoy his time on GoT and didn’t know much about his character due to poor direction and had to constantly rely on Liam(Davos).
Also he called D&D amateurs which was based as frick.
Barristan's actor had some choice things to say about Benioff and Weiss too, hence why his character got brutally killed like that.
>like they'll end all nuance, turn Aegon II and Greens into a caricature villain by S3 and have Rhaenyra be full yas queen
Anon they already did this though
It doesn't help that GRRM stacked the Blacks with so many based supporters.
The Greens do have a few gems like Tyland, Ser Perkin, Wills Fell, and Marston Waters.
And they better not screw up Daeron. He's the best out of the 3 brothers from Alicent; yes even more than Aemond for all his dark sigma traits.
I also hope they Erryk vs Arryk fight goes exactly like the histories describe. Make it violent and tragic for both brothers to accuse each other of treason.
I want to see the First Blackfyre Rebellion in the beginning where we see young King Daeron II and his half-brothers Brynden and Daemon growing up together in King's Landing. All of them are bros but Daeron II is already a dude in his 20's while Brynden and Daemon are closer in age and can relate since they're both bastards. The shy bookish Brynden is always motivated by Daemon whose an absolute Chad.
Meanwhile you can also show Aegor seething and raging at Stone Hedge (the Bracken family seat) because he's justifiably pissed that his mom got dismissed from court and got replaced by a hated Blackwood and his grandfather and aunt were executed. You still show sympathy for his character because he got the short end of the stick while Daemon and Brynden get to be in court and later receive the 2 Targaryen heirloom swords (Daemon with Blackfyre, Brynden with Dark Sister) and none for him.
HBO can learn from the mistakes of House of the Dragon and make Blackfyre a truly Shakespearean kino of tragedy and drama. Like have Daemon be a truly loyal brother to Daeron II and only gets corrupted after years of having his ego stroked and misinterpreted slights that Bittersteel and Quentyn Ball plant in his head.
Bloodraven is torn between siding with the brother he loves and adores (Daemon) and his king (who always treated him kindly and is the legitimate heir) Daeron. That's how you make the conflict less black-and-white for everyone.
House of the Dragon is doing pretty well so far, though?
It is and I like the trailers for Season 2. I'm just worried they're gonna frick it up like how Season 1 of GOT was faithful to the book and then it spiraled down in quality each season.
What I liked the most was that the series depicted Aegon, Aemon, Jace, and Luke actually getting along and pranking as kids. In the books, they all hated each other, but it's actually heartwarming to see TV Jace look to this uncles for approval when he was presented with his dragon and those smiles and pats on the back Aegon gave to Jace and Luke during sword practice. It's only because of Alicent and Otto that poisoned them into becoming enemies.
So far
But I gotta feeling that HotD will become just as moronic as the later seasons did.
Don’t get your hopes up, Bittersteel will be a pathetic incel who hates all women and has no redeeming qualities, Daemon will be a chud who rapes maids, daeron will be the boring good guy and bloodraven will be the edgy fan favorite who quips and knows things
I truly hope not. It makes things more compelling if you make everyone compelling and likable in their own way.
GRRM even describes Daemon as incredibly charismatic that everyone is drawn to. He oozes Alphaness and is a paragon of knighthood. It makes his downfall from grace all the more tragic that he was the perfect symbol of everything that was great in the Targaryen line and threw it down the tubes due to his soul being twisted by flattery and lordlings urging him on.
Even the histories state that Daeron II did have some suspicions and misgivings towards Daemon, hence why he tried to neutralize any justification for slights and showed his half-brother with favors like land, castles, and a position in court. He was also worried that the rumors that his shit father spread that Daemon was the actual heir and Daeron was Aemon Dragonknight's son made him very prudent in how to handle PR. That's hardly nice guy blandness.
Bloodraven will be the bookish nerd. He's not as skilled in swordplay (though a fantastic archer) and can relate to Daeron over scholarly pursuits but spars with Daemon with their Valyrian blades every week...while Bittersteel angrily glares in the shadows.
Bittersteel is supposed to look like Conan the Barbarian according to GRRM. He's strong and sleek; always pissed but even he can instill some awe as a character by being a savage skilled fighter that takes no shit from anyone. He was never a coward in the histories.
I hope they nail the nuance of the rebellion, those characters are great and there’s potential it could be as good as GOT but house of the dragon made me lose a little hope, they went the black and white, good vs evil route to connect with casual audiences. Also the lack of female characters in that conflict you just know there will be tons of OC girlbosses and shierra will be the true mastermind behind bloodravens schemes
>lack of female characters
There's Myriah Martell; Daeron's Dornish Queen so they can obviously depict a strong non-white woman.
Also Daeron's second cousins Daena the Defiant and Rhaena who can be given some screentime.
>redo the show from Season 5 onwards
Has this ever happened to a series in the past? I don't think this will happen in any case, GoT as a franchise will never again reach the peaks it previously has, the moment has passed.
Stannis is already king
In principle yes, but not de facto. There's a reason why he's called "The King Who Cared" because he was the only one to realize his head was up his ass and he needed to do his job.
Shireen will be the recognized Queen of the entire realm. All that Stannis never got, his daughter will receive.
Shireen is a nothing character. She'll die similarly, but it'll be Selyse and Melisandre, afterwards Stannis will kill Melisandre and if he somehow lives through it all, remarry. It'll be the turning point for Stannis, though, for him to abandon the Red God, much as Blackwater was for him to go up North.
You think all the hints at stannis being a false light and brittle iron that snaps before bending are just a red herring? I’d say the edric storm thing was put in specifically to show us how changed and broken Stannis winds up when he decides to allow his own daughter to be burner. It’s possible he even ends up joining the WW imo
>You think all the hints at stannis being a false light and brittle iron that snaps before bending are just a red herring?
The point of the brittle iron is that Catelyn was right on her metaphor but wrong on its application. Renly's was 100% spot on, but Robert was the brittle iron that snapped when Ned's sister died and he just became a drunken mess. Stannis is the flexible steel that bends but doesn't snap immediately under pressure.
lol. And all the false light foreshadowing? And the fact everything that happens in stannis’s storyline relates back to that?
He will burn her to hold off the Others. It won't work
Shireen burning is 1/3 moments the fat frick told dumb and dumber about , hodor and Daenerys being the other 2
It's pretty common for writers to think of some cool scenes in their head but can't find a place to fit the scenes in so they just scrap the whole thing. Read any writers interview and you see that not every ideas they have are gold and sometimes they ditch certain ideas that don't work in the story anymore. COuld be that GRRM thought it would be cool but when return to his work, the idea doesn't work anymore so he steer the story away from it.
>GR "hack" RM wrote the time travel "HOLD DA DOOR" plot
I haven't read the books or watched the show past season 2 and I fricking hate fat frick moron grrm but I really can't believe he's the one who wrote the hold the door shit. You redditors actually read and defend this idiot?
I wasn't that interested in reading the rest of the books after all these years, but there goes the last of my interest.
lol it's gonna happen in the book too bro. stannis is a loser
mup da doo bix nood
Stannis is Ahor Azai in the book you fricking moron.
source: Mel mel's ass
A reliable source
It's his wife who's bought into the witch's bullshit. Obviously she's going to be burnt at the wall while Stannis is off campaigning, possibly due to the letter being spread around saying Ramsay won and BTFOd STannis
The book will never be finished so no.
GRRM said there were 3 "oh shit" moments still to come in the books. The first was Hodor's origin. I think this was the second. The third is probably Jon's parentage and/or Jon killing Dany when she goes crazy. (though it happen over time, unlike the hackjob D&D gave us)
AAAAAAAAAAGGGHH
aaaggghhhbros where we at
I don't write nothin' down, so I'll keep this short and sweet. You're weak. You're outta control. And you've become an embarrassment to yourself and everybody else
That was how stannis’s story was always going to end, his mind breaking and him losing it. But like everything else D&D didn’t have direct source material to rip from, it was poorly set up and abysmally executed.
You cant really use that as his ending because Stannis himself was a contradiction. He was at the same time extremely simple, curt and direct. His only complex relationship was with his daughter.
If you HAVE to do the burning, then we would have to be driven into madness over more than one season.
Yes, that’s exactly how stannis’s story is going to go. He’ll be pushed and pushed and pushed through more and more unfair bullshit and misery until he snaps. It’s the whole point of his character. George is not subtle at all with any of his foreshadowing, including the Mannis
He won't burn her, Melisandre & Selyse will. Melisandre will die to Stannis' sword after. Stannis and Davos will die getting burned by Daenerys' dragon after refusing to bend the knee, basically the Tarlys' ending.
GoT died that day, everything after that was just fatso and dumber and dumber trying to re-animate a corpse
Remember when le girl boss queen got put down like a dog and every prostitute in the world seethe?
Jon didn't want this.
literally peak 10/10 body
It gonna be my new wallpaper.
Yum
GYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTT
>could’ve lived a happy life fricking his aunt ruling over everyone
shit even im mad
Fire lady seemed to have pretty inconsistent abilities. The way she waxed Renly would have made me a believer. And Stannis was a man on a mission. I can see why he'd go for it.
I don't know how she is in the books, but I'm pretty sure she's a fraud. Like she obviously has magic capabilities, but I don't think for a second she communes with or believes in the Lord of Light.
None of the Gods in ASOIAF are real.
What makes you say that? Magic is real, why not gods? Does Bran not see through the trees?
>*blocks yer path*
heh, nothin' personnel
this guy and episode were pure kino
Beric, Thoros and The Hound remained kino throughout, even when they were trapped in dumb plotlines. The only issue is that they all got stupid ass deaths.
It's weird. On the one hand I wish The Hound vs. Brienne had been replaced with Cleganebowl and both parties had died, but on the other my favorite scene in the entire show is when Beric talks to The Hound about the Lord of Light late in the show, when they're at The Wall I think.
So much potential, rushed because of its own popularity. What a shame.
Beric is kino but that episode was pure moronation.
Depends on what you mean by god. The collective consciousness of ancient children of the Forrest and greenseers does exist and is functionally an organic super AI god of earth. The heart of winter and rhollor could be similar elemental colllective conciousness gods
She gets visions, but can’t reliably interpret them. She really thinks Jeyne Poole is Arya because she’s a brown haired girl traveling north on a sickly pony.
You’d think that maybe Stannis would get the red lady to do some preemptive sacrifices before they even left to bless their mission or whatever. Unless lord of light sacrifices have a certain shelf life or something.
Not canon.
Didn't age well, as it turned out to be Arya.
How did you get this footage of me seething about Stannis?
Gods I miss /got/
it all went to hell after season 4 anyway
They really should've introduced the Smalljon into S2 if they couldn't get the Greatjon back. Then have him die at the Red Wedding. At least it would give viewers someone to care about other than a bunch of redshirts getting slain in the background.
yeh it was hilarious
Gods, I was crusty then
BUUUUST MYYY CRUUUUST
well this was underwhelming
You didn't expect that did you? Stannis did the muh daughter monologue and then hit you with this epic twist! We totally got you, bro! Frick, we are such good writers
I’m coping that stannis will at least become 1000th lord commander and not just die in a meaningless skirmish
The Iron Bank sent an envoy all the way to Deepwood Motte to find Stannis and finance his campaign. I think he'll be fine.
And now the rain washes over his halls
With no one left to hear
>he's the true heir, a brilliant tactician and a fan favorite! What can we do!?
>have him burn his daughter lol
BRAVO
> a brilliant tactician
No
Nah he was objectively a brilliant tactician and commander
GoT is a series dedicated to b***h slapping fans with their favorite characters while saying, "Actshually, Grima Wormtongue would beat Aragorn IRL."
>killing all your best characters one by one
>until all that's left are danny c**t dragons, jon cuckold snow and evil queen c**t
No wonder the ending was so bad
Imo this isn't like a King Bran level piece of bullshit. Stannis is a borderline insane religious fanatic who truly believes he's on a holy mission to save the world.
>borderline insane
show him making an insane decision before burning his daughter. Ill wait
He was burning people alive since the intro. In the books he tried to burn his nephew.
He also could have easily taken kings landings, but decided against it when his priestess advised murdering his brother instead.
Huh?
>He also could have easily taken kings landings
but he tried and failed
The biggest subversion George could do would be to make stannis actually be azor ahai and save the world. Shireen burns and wakes Jon snow, his lightbringer, and the two defeat the other together, Jon as king in the north and stannis as lord commander of the nights watch
That’d be good. I’d enjoy that.
This was the same question I had with the show's ending. Why would there still be a Night's Watch? The Others are gone.
The Prince is to be born of Aerys II and Rhaella.
"Lightbringer" will be valyrian steel blades like in the show.
I think the prince that was promised and azor ahai are two different people and the reader is supposed to assume theyre the same until a later twist, same with three eyed crow being a different entity to bloodraven
It depends on which "Azor Ahai" you are referring to.
People seem to have trouble grasping that we're talking about a religious figure and that the members of that religion interpret the world through that religion.
The red priests had visions of the Last Hero forging and then fighting the Others with a dragonsteel blade, they claim that he was their god's champion, Azor Ahai. Then we have the Promised Prince, the prophesied hero who will be born amidst salt and smoke to awaken the stone dragons. The red priests believes he is Azor Ahai and we can see that Melisandre alters the prophecy to suit her religious beliefs, since she says "reborn/born again amidst..."
Azor Ahai x Lightbringer during first Long Night = Last Hero x dragonsteel blade
Azor Ahai Reborn = Prince that was Promised
>pray harder. I will have no burnings.
>the world of renly knew his place and bent his knee to stannis
>Bloodraven becomes God King Magic Emperor of Westeros and probably all the world by extension
Do the books even matter now? Who cares how the fat butthole weaves it all together? He has no idea how to, which is obvious to all by this point. Even more obvious that he doesn't care to, since he puts everything else in front of the books he possibly can for well over a decade, like his Wild Cards horseshit
>le edgy blonde pale man
George sucks off elric waaaayyy to much
so, to be clear..... you fat fricks who have never created ANYTHING near the scope or popularity as fat boi martin are made at what you read?
you guys are losers, full stop. im fricking laughing at the idea of neckbeard anons lisping that ASOIAF just isnt up to your standards. go frick yourselves, morons.
go make a rage-review for your 8 subscribers.
finish your goddamn books martin for fricks sake
George is a fat failure who’s legacy will be forgotten shortly after he dies (soon)
In the year George handed over his life’s work to D&D was the same year that one of those goobers wrote X-Men Origins Wolverine and despite knowing this George still handed over his baby to them.
Yes George is a moron.
T H I R T E E N Y E A R S
>you fat fricks who have never created ANYTHING near the scope or popularity as fat boi martin are made at what you read?
Have ever had a real job that you excelled at? See what happens if you have a bad year and try to rest on your laurels.
remember when winter was never mentioned again
Imagine Stannis died shortly after the Siege of Winterfell and Shireen is crowned Queen.
She's such a hot little bawd.
>Fake blonde club bimbo
>Tummy
My dick!
dang, they did a good job, you can barely see the scars.
holy shit
>thumbnail looks like her tit is out
wtf is up with their skin, is this a burn victim party
She was so hot during that scene.
Im just waiting for fire and blood part 2.
That’s never happening
>remember when
>its a daenerys/brienne chapter
Dany chapters are good generally. Essos is cooler than Westeros. Its Sansa chapters that fricking drag.
>Essos is cooler than Westeros
>Slavaj lo Zizek of a most noble house of Old Ghis broke his fast on jellied dog brains while dust swirled about the sun-baked alleys in the city below
Yeah so cool.
>if i look back im lost if i look back im lost i am the blood of the dragon i am the blood of the dragon if i look back im lost the more she drank the more she shat
Nah
Currently re-reading and her chapters are the worst part of any book. Since she left the khalasaar, her povs are boring and way too mary sue. Better men have died for way less dumb decitions. Whenever I am having a good time reading and her chapters appear I just sigh and roll my eyes. Not even arya chapters are this bad.
I land between you and other anon. A lot of the Essos stuff is good, which is the redeeming factor of the Dany chapters. But then there are parts that are about just her as a character and it all goes to shit. I think that’s why everyone hates and memes the parts where she’s wandering in the wilderness. The mereen intrigue was bearable to good.. and then she leaves it all behind and we are reminded her actual character arc has been idling for thousands of pages
brienne is kino particularly with jaime. im at the point of skipping daenerys chapters though
Remember when they didn't end the episode with this, instead it was followed by a 20 minute Dany action scene?
That was the worst tonal shift in the whole series. What the frick were they thinking?
And they should've ended the episode with this
Even worse then Brienne almost getting gang-raped - which Gwen really sold well - followed by Jamie getting his hand cut off then immediately going to credits with some thrash-punk version of The Bear and the Maiden Fair?
That was such a shit choice.
lol the best swordsman lost his hand for some dumb cow's dignity
What action scene, remind me? The one in a colosseum?
Yes. I'm supposed to cheer about Dany riding a cgi dragon after a little girl gets burned alive
That plus Ramsays 20 good men just further proves that D&D simply did not like stannis.
Nah, you could tell in Season 2 when they had Stannis introduced. The commentary from Benioff and Weiss that was nuthugging the shit out of Renly and spouting lies about Book Stannis is blatant favoritism.
You could tell by S2 that they didn't have a fundamental understanding of MUCH of the story, but the entire Dragonstone Crew was hilariously off the mark.
>Queen Selyse then hangs herself
>Nevermind in the books that she, Shireen and Melisandre are all at the Wall in the castle Stannis took for his court. The Shadowtower iirc.
Catelyn is the biggest dumbass in the entire show AND books no contest
>start war of five kings
>ugh im leaving this is dumb i know i started this by arresting tyrion but i just wanna go home to my sons
>says lannisters have shit for honor
>trusts lannisters to save her daughter
>keeps shittalking everyone Robb why'd you marry this b***h (i freed the kingslayer and started this entire war btw) no muh eddard! (i told him to go to king's landing) noo Robb you're doing everything wrong everyone is doing things wrong!
Theon was dumber. Catelyn at least was more understandable, especially in the books because of how the sequence of events.
You’ll cowards don’t even smoke crack
What’s up with that
You got a chuckle out of me that was so out of left field.
>Stannis
>You'll cowards don't even blood magic
That Dragon Demands guy says it’s because Benioff and Weiss just wanted to win emmys and do Star Wars at that point of the show. Idk how accurate he is though, and he’s kind of gay and annoying when he’s constantly complaining about muh offensive Sansa rape
As someone with a 9 year old niece, this scene was hard to watch. I fricking hate religion even more now because of this scene. Frick the red woman and her stupid fricking religion
Remember when ̶O̶s̶h̶a̶ Yara sailed from the Iron Isles all the way around Dorne, all the way to the east coast of the North to sneak into the Dreadfort with her best men, only to be stopped by a shirtless Ramsay slowly unlocking the keys to his dog kennels and just gave up because Theon panicked when she came to rescue him instead of knocking him out and taking him with her?
I made a book/show meme about that ages ago and can't for the life of me find it anymore.
This was the end of Game of Thrones and the start of Game of Reddit
I'd say when Tywin got shot on the shitter, its when the show died, both symbolically and in reality.
*hits pipe*
Plenty of shit in the show will still happen but with way different context
>burning Shireen
>CLEGANEBOWL
>blowing up the Great Sept
>Tommen an hero
>Myrcella assassination
>everything about the Ironborn
>Jojen
No way in hell Jaime goes back to die with Cersei
>CLEGANEBOWL
Oh god please no. It was fun shitposting about it and watching it come into existence by how terrible an idea it was. But that's it.
>The Hound tackles his brother and they fall into a fire
It was pretty underwhelming. The Hound defending Loras from the Mountain in S1 was way better.
>The way the Hound dodges Gregor's strike by kneeling
The show used to be peak
Reddit and normies co-opted Cleganebowl and made it gay and cringe.
When it was just a copypasta, a few silly images, and Showdown by ELO; now that was kino.
I agree. Sandor has better things to do than go on a revenge quest.
If there's one thing I loved what the show did, it was having Sandor enjoy moments of peace with that community. He deserved it...and then it all got taken away.
Talk about a firecrotch
imagine marrying a Baratheon princess
>Stannis burns Shireen
>snow goes away for months
>no more blizzards south of the Wall occur for the rest of the series
>the series ends with Aegon VI and Shireen ruling as king and queen
how would you react?
Targ restoration is the worst possible ending so no I would hate that
>fAegon
>Targ
He's not even a Blackfyre, he's a random street urchin with silver hair that the fat eunuch guy found.
Interesting. Stannis' line still gets the throne through the female line while the Blackfyres get their revenge.
I know about those hints too, but remember iron is raw material. It can become steel when it's being hammered away through a crucible.
Blackwater = Stannis is dosed in the fire
North = Stannis is being cool and shaped
Like
mentions, it all depends on just how much shit happens to Stannis and if he finally breaks.
But regardless Stannis has done more for the realm than anyone could've dreamed. If he hadn't shown up, Jon would most certainly be dead, the wildlings would've overrun the Wall, and nobody would properly broker peace between the wildlings and the Watch. Or match onto Winterfell to kill Boltons and Freys.
I'm really pissed we never saw Stannis going to the mountain clans and assailing Deepwood Motte disguised as trees.
You just (you)’d me twice, as if I were supporting your point in one of them, maybe we’re misunderstanding each other on some level. I just dont get the cope over Stannis, he is very clearly going to have a tragic end. Everything in his story points to the concept that he is rigid to a fault. And not in a quirky “ahh shucks he’s just a little stubborn but he’s a solid guy” way but in a “he will end up leading himself, his family, and possibly the entire realm into catastrophe because he just can’t accept that life is unfair bullshit”. I like stannis myself, absolute top tier character.. but he’s 100% going to wind up as a tragedy. Even the new Winds of winter chapter is heavily leaning into the stuff about following false lights being disastrous, and sometimes you have to bend with the breeze and try something completely new.
>Everything in his story points to the concept that he is rigid to a fault.
What? His story has been about him gradually learning how to compromise, but I do agree with your idea that he'll get a tragic ending.
> Even the new Winds of winter chapter is heavily leaning into the stuff about following false lights being disastrous
Think that's in relation to the Freys
Will her baby have scales too?
Kino Punished Aegon incoming
>The dwarf has played his little trick, but he can only play it once
Uh, how do you know that? Wait, how did you know it was Tyrion's plan? How do you know they don't have caches of wildfire hidden on the beach? They clearly predicted our attack on the Mud Gate, what if their intention is to lure us onto the beach and during our siege sacrifice the gate entirely by destroying it, trapping our forces on either side of wreckage? Wait, do we even have any scouts in Westeros? Like, did we do any recon to see if reinforcements are on their way to King's Landing? I mean even if we take the city, after all of the unexpected casualties we may not even be able to hold it. This kinda seems like a bad idea, sir. Not very well thought out at all. Are you sure about this?
Frick you and your YouTube dumb references, ball licker
Imagine being prescient and still losing. I don't think a dumber character has ever existed.
Tyrion being acting Hand isn't a secret, so he gets all credit. I think the implication is that Stannis and Tyrion have met each other and Stannis knows Tyrion is intelligent.
The trick was the chain, and they literally can't pull it back up
>The trick was the chain, and they literally can't pull it back up
What chain? I legitimately do not know what you're referring to, but now I'm curious. In reference to Tyrion, it's not exactly far fetched, I just find it weird that he immediately assumed Tyrion was behind it when it seems like a psychopathic move straight out of Cersei or even Joffrey's handbook, not to mention everybody else in the Small Council and potentially heading the defense. The vague assumption that Tyrion, of all people, was specifically behind the wildfire just seemed goofy. He could've just said "they've played their trick..." and it would have made no difference and made more sense.
Ideally he would have said nothing at all until his speech, but I trust the screenwriters.
Tyrion order's a heavy chain raised that's strung between two towers across the Blackwater. This catches the ships and prevents them from escaping the fire
>seems like a psychopathic move
kek you have no idea
>Wait, do we even have any scouts in Westeros? Like, did we do any recon to see if reinforcements are on their way to King's Landing?
If they had scouts, how the frick would they get a message from them while out sailing for a week?
the real book tweeeest is that the fat frick dies in late november 2024 because of a heart attack that leads to a brain stroke
If he takes 2 years to release and another 5 years for the last one he is in his early-mid 80's.
The book saga is toast my brothers
Of course it is.
I'm just holding out that he concludes Dunk & Egg because that's the real storyline worth finishing.
This
At Georges age and weight the bastard could croak at literally anytime.
Why did Ned never tell Bobby that his oneitis didn't love him? What the frick was this homie thinking?
Was this another B&wE invention though?
digits confirmed I'm right
I think in the books Lyanna knows that Robert will still be a whoring horndog even if she married him. Although kind of ironic that she went for a married man in the end.
Maybe? Even if Lyanna was actually kidnapped, which is questionable, there's no evidence that I'm aware of that she ever had any interest in Bobby. He was just an obsessive madman. I honestly don't get what Eddard is meant to have seen in him as a friend. It seems like he was always a c**t, even before he was an alcoholic. Why he even let Robert become king is beyond me. Oh and frick Jon Arryn too, that dumb butthole.
Gayest shit I ever heard. Leave this thread
jesus, each sentence
made me cry
thank you anon
Eddard is the worst at everything he does. He's bad at lying, bad at leading, bad at politics, bad in bed, mediocre in combat. He preaches honor and the old way, but the only thing that gives him any right to execute men is the blood of better men that came before him. He lived as a fool, and died as one. Just like his prostitute of a wife.
Robert Baratheon ended the Targaryen dynasty and rhaegar died as he lived, an embarrassment and a failure
Okay? I don't care about the Targaryens, or Robert really. Not sure why the frick there's even a king or ruler of the seven kingdoms. Seems like a cesspool of homosexualry that serves no actual purpose but to steal money and deliver nothing in return. Just another stupid move by both Bobby, Neddard and Jon.
>Great, the Targaryen dynasty which has ruled exclusively through fear has been overthrown. What should we do now?
>
Wow, what a great plan.
It sounds like you don’t like Asoiaf as a concept and are just being contrarian for attention
What concept?
What part did Robert and/or his council have in maintaining that illusion of peace, and are they not then responsible for its eventual failure? Oh and by the way, none of them cared until the Mad King's atrocities hit home. All three of them were content to let Westeros burn, so don't try and pretend like these idiots were heroes. Vengeance is not the same as courage.
> Not sure why the frick there's even a king or ruler of the seven kingdoms. Seems like a cesspool of homosexualry that serves no actual purpose but to steal money and deliver nothing in return
Kinda the point. Would you rather Asoiaf be some weird communist thing instead of a feudal monarchy?
It's not about what I would prefer, it's about the story being told and just a general interest in the worldbuilding.
Questioning the existence of the monarchy is a recurring theme in ASOIAF itself, so I'm not sure why you're acting like this is a foreign concept that has no place in discussion.
King Robert's rule was prosperous and peaceful.
Would you prefer the king drinks and prostitutes or rapes the wives of nobles while also burning people alive?
So by the end of the show, it turns out that all sentient life is just a hivemind of Bran, right? Did they not realize how gay that is?
>FREE WESTEROS FREE WESTEAHHHHHHHH
And what of good Darkstar?
George thought he was cookin with that guy lmao
he was
Mario nahaaris
We've never been more back, /got/bros.
Most super long stories suck. Lotr is actually quite nice, but the books would be unironically improved of much of the endless geographical stuff were cut out. You could literally edit out half the text and have a better epic for it.
It's only one book. You can take it or leave it. The fact that people treat it like a franchise is so disgusting to me.
What if georgie realease the last two (2) books at the same time. Doing such he avoids early plot reveals and obvious development in the story.
It is known how much he hates being predictable and how much he loves the surprise effect.
It's the only reasonable option that explains the long span of time. He would not lose interest in his own work, right?
>Cry on his blog about Jan 6th, vaccines, Blompft, gun ownership, climate change, tweets laughing at failed Hollyslop movies, etc
>Still no book
This guy is mind-broken by CNN and whatever the frick else he watches on the Talmudvision. Is anything he could write even be worth reading now?
>Sigh.
God he’s such a homosexual. We’re never getting the rest of the series all because Hilary lost. Fricking get over it man 75 year old man actin like a kid
He's no different than the dorks here who constantly lament the latest fearmongering and ragebait by fox news and /misc/ then rant how the west has fallen and in two weeks the US collapses.
can't wait for the meltie in november
Remember Meera Reed
do you think she and jojen ever...
yknow.....
Yes, and Bran watched. It was beautiful.
the real frogfu
As much as I like the theories and ideas being thrown around in this thread, I also feel a bit bad for you guys because it’s all in service of a book series never to be finished.
I’m not being ironic either. I’m genuinely surprised and dare I say slightly envious to still see people this invested in the outcome of the books, especially in the post GoT S8 era. It’s like, cool, people still care and are genuinely interested in this epic saga with interesting setups and cliffhangers to beloved chars, shitty TV show notwithstanding. Maybe it’s a testament to just how good the source material is.
But to what end is all this theorycrafting and hype for? I know at least some of you anons must be smart enough to know deep down, that as interesting and engaging as it is, it’s all just copesville simply because the books will never come out.
Like the only pathway to completion at this point is if lazy ass gurm dies and by miracle, a legal wizard uses some unknown IP loophole to get the series into the hands of another writer that shares your autism.
Otherwise, we’re all just speculating and theorycrafting into a blackhole. I dont know how you guys do it, but it would be soul crushing to me to do this after so many years of waiting and ineptitude from a fat old boomer who has clearly cashed out.
Dont take any of this as an insult. I’m just sorta impressed by your determination, is all.
Nothing better has come along to replace it or it would be easy to move on. When the sun has set no candle can replace it
Really?
You’ve never read another fantasy series post ASOIAF that matched it in any way, whether it be characterization or worldbuilding?
Not being facetious with this question. I’m a big reader, so I’m genuinely curious if you feel this way
I've only read ASoIaF and Lord of the Rings, and like two books of WoT.
Hmmm, maybe you should check out the Memory Sorrow & Thorn trilogy.
It was one of the gurm’s biggest influences and the ASOIAF parallels are pretty apparent
Asoiaf just has everything, the history, the scope, the characters, the dialogue. It feels realer and more full of life than the other fantasy series I’ve read. Haven’t read much new stuff but I’ve read the classics, book of the new sun, Shadow of the torturer, king killer and dying earth, Hyperion, black company. nothing else has stuck with me like Asoiaf I’m just constantly thinking about that world, it’s as if it’s infinite. Idk maybe I’m just a gay
Like Star Wars, its about the setting. No matter how shit the official stories get, the expansive setting will always be there, which will draw people in.
if you have 160+ IQ you understand exactly why it takes GRRM so long to complete the books, it's because there are 20 layers of complexity that goes over the head of most normies
Why did Wheel of Time finish then?
It’s even longer than ASOIAF, with way more characters and plotlines to keep track of
Nothing is as long and dense as ASoIaF. Look at the character indexes for example. WoT didn't have those.
>character indexes
Not really relevant when 99% of them are just background characters with no actual lines or characterization.
It’s taken longer for George to write one book than the entire lord of the rings trilogy , ain’t nothing that complex
well he went too far with it and now the story will never be completed, it would have been better if he had held back just a little
Maybe he shouldn't have introduced like a bajillion plotlines.
>fAegon
>Stannis
>Euron
>Myrcella and Dorne
That's not even getting into Jon and Daenerys. Its just too much.
I'm so glad I never read or watched any of this grim edgy schlocky soap-operatic self-indulgent violent depressing bullshit.
it's for Leftists/cucks.
Lotr is for Right wingers/Chads.
If the winter is equal to summers does the winter at season 8 last 9 years???
Does everyone just die after the show?
>have stannis beat ramsay without child sacrifice
>occupies winterfell but northern lords are uneasy
>dany believes she's azor ahai because messiah complex
>stannis is killed by his own men when the red priests declare her AA
There, I fixed Stannis' plot