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Lol this kinda looks like the Black Sun
Well you know the whole blowing up an entire planet thing.
Everyone blew up planets and killed heaps of innocent people.
In all of Star Wars continuity, both the old and the new, only a small number of planets have ever been outright destroyed. Less than 30 including all superweapon usage.
>only a small number of planets
>30
Lol do burgers really?
there are so many planets you couldn't even say all of their names if you had 10 lifetimes
The SW universe has like tens of millions of inhabited planets, anon.
that was a prank
The Allies are considered the "good guys" in WWII even though they nuked and firebombed entire cities full of civilians
>Muh Nukes and firebombs.
Taking into account the massive fricking rapes and attrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese army the Allies were based in keeping the orientals in check.
that's beside the point
That's actually really old American propaganda that has been disproven by multiple sources. Stop repeating it.
>Muh American Propaganda
Stop gobbling up Jap wiener you pathetic excuse of a human being. Just because they got some chink pussy through rape, and you sit back home with your cumshot doesn't mean the rest of us can't approve proper tactical decisions.
muh rape
start shit get hit
US barely even bombed germany, like 2k civilians died but krauts invented the myth of muh dresden 2 billion for sympathy $$$$ in marshall plan aid.
Most of the "death tolls" they give in cities are larger than the actual city populations
all a big hoax.
They still blew up Hiroshima and Nagasaki
At our civilizational level, that's the equivalent of the Empire blowing up a planet
if alderaan were legit cannibals terrorizing everyone around them maybe it'd be comparable.
They were
Stop listening to the pro-Alderaan propaganda
>Falling for Alderaanian propaganda.
Chud moment.
Did you ever wonder why they picked those two areas or are you just pretending to be moronic
Why does that matter in this context?
Why do you think the empire did the same?
The empire unironically did nothing wrong. They gave Leia an out but she didn't take it
Agreed
Wookies are space Black folk and Quarrens are superior
>America: targets two major military ports that are home to huge industry creating the Japanese Navy
>after giving them ample warning that they have a new superweapon and should surrender rather than have it be used on them
>Empire: targets a planet that isn't the home base of the Rebels or one of their major manufacturing centers. but rather merely a diplomatic ally of the Rebels that is quietly funding them
>gives no warning at all, begins the war with a superweapon debut rather than finishing it with one
>after giving them ample warning that they have a new superweapon and should surrender rather than have it be used on them
this isn't actually true
Correct however they did give a grace period for them to surrender and they waited till they got nuked a second time before surrendering
>Potsdam declaration isn't real
Did you ever wonder why the Empire picked their targets?
Nagasaki was picked because it was the most Christian city in Japan
i hate united statians like you wouldn't believe
Frick the allies. I wish Hitler won. He stuck it to the banking cartels and they united the world against him.
It’s literally the same shit with Ukraine right now. If Ukraine was some dogshit island with zero strategic value, no one would give a frick.
Don’t worry though, the allies won, so you can have race mixing, gay sex, pedophilia, banking cartels turning you all into peasants, etc.
BUT DONT WORRY AT LEAST WE DONT SPEAK GERMAN!!!!
>stuck it to the banking cartels
>not only heavily relied on them for loans, was supported by German bankers, but even "arrested" a Rothschild but let him go because they liked him to the point Heimmler ordered his house arrest be made more comfortable
>only Rothschild to be killed was a woman who married into the family and was thinking about divorcing
Kek
>Hate israelites
>Find them
>Turns out high level israelites are actually cool as shit and also hate thee cattle
>Shit we're are stuck in "frick israelites" mode
>Eh let's just kill the poors
>Eh let's just kill the poors
source?
The israelites they did end up killing were poor. They didn't intern rich israelites
>They didn't intern rich israelites
They all immigrated to America early on
Exactly
>Kill poor israelites
>Rich israelites get spared
>Rich israelites get to still use the Holo-card whenever it feels convenient
The game was lost before Hitler was even born, wasn't it?
Yep. Welcome to the real world. The only way to win is to not play
But anon,there is no way to not play unless taking the rope which is still another way of losing.
Frick off dork.
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BOMB OUR CITIES AFTER WE SAY WE WANT TO WIPE YOU OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND SPEND OVER A YEAR BOMBING YOUR CITIES INTO THE DIRT THAT'S A HECKIN' WARCRIMERINO!!!
why are wehraboos so pathetically thin-skinned?
not only do they start shit, but also are glass jaw bullies who start whining the instant you hit them back
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BOMB OUR CITIES AFTER WE SAY WE WANT TO WIPE YOU OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND SPEND OVER A YEAR BOMBING YOUR CITIES INTO THE DIRT THAT'S A HECKIN' WARCRIMERINO!!!
Who are you quoting?
>why are wehraboos so pathetically thin-skinned?
All I said was that the Allies, who are considered good, did something similar to the Empire, who are considered bad
Anything else is you reading into it
Nobody considers the allies good guys outside of the Allied countries
I don't think this is true
Yeah well I am a former Axis country and we hate your Judeo Masonic ass.
It’s crazy how your point was good, but everyone just, I don’t fricking know, just not answered it outside of deflections
weird how that happens
The bombings stopped the minute the Axis surrendered. What would it have taken to make the Axis stop killing?
Mutts seething you love to see it
Plus the israelites really hate the descendants of the men who liberated them from the ~~*death*~~ camps, so they must have been evil. Why else would israelites be so ungrateful towards the descendants of men who stopped the totally real and heckin' valid ~~*holocaust*~~?
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS
The liberals who write the newest iterations of this series wouldn't think twice about blowing up a planet full of "chuds" and still think of themselves as the good guys
>Silence is Violence
>Punch a Nazi
No they don’t think people should be murdered just for being stupid and hate-filled
Yes they do, as they're convinced that everyone they disagree with is "hate-filled" and therefore open to any kind of harassment or harm, despite being themselves possibly the most overtly hate-filled people in history
No, bigoted right wingers whose whole personality is hating minorities are hate filled. But they don’t deserve to die for being moronic. Almost no one thinks that.
A right-winger might be disappointed with the behavior or dependence of minority groups or find that they overstep boundaries and cost them their own cultural identity, but they don't hate them. A left-winger hates anyone outside of their immediate political bubble, even if those people are completely separate from them and don't affect their lives in any way, in their own community somewhere. A leftist wants them all destroyed outright.
>whole personality is hating minorities
As opposed to the millions of lefties whose entire personality is hating men, whites, Christians, Republicans, straights, and non-communists?
maybe not murdered but certainly genocided through demographic replacement
You don't think your average BLM supporter would be okay with white people going extinct?
I support BLM and I wouldn’t want any race to go extinct.
>I support BLM
Why?
Because while police abuse everyone they are especially abusive of black people, and the BLM movement’s goals are to restrict the power of police which benefits everybody.
>while police abuse everyone they are especially abusive of black people
That's the rumor but the evidence doesn't bear it out
>and the BLM movement’s goals are to restrict the power of police which benefits everybody
Since the BLM riots, homicides have gone up in every city that cut police budgets, vastly outweighing any damage caused by alleged police brutality. Who is that helping?
> Since the BLM riots, homicides have gone up in every city that cut police budgets, vastly outweighing any damage caused by alleged police brutality. Who is that helping?
1. I doubt that’s true.
2. Police stop working in any city that even threatens to cut the departments budget even though they are massively overfunded and given access to more arms and armor than ordinary citizens. They are just a gang that acts in their own interest. Even at their best they can’t do anything to stop murders and they put very little effort into preventing real crime like murder or rape because its much more profitable to shake down people for things like traffic violations or to take their money through civil asset forfeiture.
3. Murders by police are in my opinion worse than murders by ordinary citizens because they have an all powerful gang at their back which prevents them from receiving any punishment for their crimes and prevents ordinary citizens from taking action against them.
in other words, black lives don't matter
>1. I doubt that’s true.
I would hope you'd follow up on the effects of the policies you support being instituted
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/fbi-statistics-show-30-increase-murder-2020-more-evidence-defunding
>2. Police stop working in any city that even threatens to cut the departments budget even though they are massively overfunded
>They are just a gang that acts in their own interest.
Do you think that police and by extension laws are entirely useless or just that our current police forces aren't skilled enough? If the latter, you should want more funding and less diversity mandates so that standards could raise.
>3. Murders by police are in my opinion worse than murders by ordinary citizens
What's the ratio at which point the number of murders by police (which isn't simply deaths incurred during an arrest but actually unjustified killings) compared to civilian homicides start being the lesser problem to you? 1 murder by police for every 1,000 regular homicides? Would you feel safer if there were a thousand killer citizens roaming the streets around your house compared to a cop who you aren't likely to have an encounter with in the first place if you follow society's laws?
>worthless pro-cop propaganda
I don’t care about your misleading statistics meant to defend the biggest gang in America.
Police regularly rape, rob, and murder people without receiving any consequences for their actions. The police are more likely to deliver you into the hands of a murderer you are fleeing from than to save you from them. If someone is murdered, the police will do almost nothing to solve the crime, and they will do even less if someone is raped or robbed. They are not held accountable to the law they claim to enforce. That is the problem. More funding or training will not help them at all because its not the issue. They’re funded too much already and spend it on moronic military equipment so they can further oppress the people. Every interaction with a police officer fills anyone with fear because they are threatened with being enslaved or murdered at the cops whim. They are all bastards and they have ruined the profession to the point where it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up. They should not be more armed than ordinary citizens are allowed to be. They should face consequences for their actions.
>A couple a year
>Million fricking cops in the country
Yes it does regularly happen. At significantly lower ratios than the areas they are policing. Again that doesn't give them a pass and the bad actors should be strung up
>Every interaction with a police officer fills anyone with fear because they are threatened with being enslaved or murdered at the cops whim.
Are you brown or something? I have had more interactions with them than every colored person I have met combined and was only frightened when I was 17 being pulled over for being an idiot
I am incredibly white and I can’t help but think that’s a big factor to why I’ve never had any trouble with police when I committed crime regularly when I was younger, mostly little b***h crime like driving without a license with the car full of drugs and stealing but with the way I drove its really suspicious.
>Honorary Black person
I figured but the confirmation is funny
> Every interaction with a police officer fills anyone with fear because they are threatened with being enslaved or murdered at the cops whim.
>I am incredibly white and I can’t help but think that’s a big factor to why I’ve never had any trouble with police when I committed crime regularly when I was younger
Rectify these two statements
>Police regularly rape, rob, and murder people without receiving any consequences for their actions.
True.
Have you truly internalized that fact? It's not just a talking point for you, right? Okay, good.
Now realize that the alternative is even worse. Internalize that as well. Then come back to the conversation once you've done so.
There’s not only 1 alternative. Getting rid of the police and making a new law enforcement that’s actually held accountable for their crimes and isn’t build on greedy thuglike mentality would be a lot better than what we have. Even just reforming the police as they are and getting rid of qualified immunity would do a lot.
Your solution to police is "police, but better."
You've got the vision, now bare out any of your views with evidence and statistics.
>the solution to the police is other police
>Getting rid of the police and making a new law enforcement
Not happening without a complete revolution. That said I am down. NOW we are getting somewhere
Replace 'police' with 'criminals' (or blacks if you're feeling edgy) and you're close to understanding the natural order of a police free world
Okay, you don't like stats. How did you come to your opinions? Intuition?
And again, is it law enforcement itself that you dislike or just the current state of (every?) police force? Again, if it's the latter, how else do you propose improving them? Pay them less and keep focusing "representative hiring" instead of getting skilled and professional people?
They already find it hard enough to hire competent people.
If it's law enforcement as a principle that you don't like, what is the alternative? No laws? Is that worse than having a "gang" that solves murders and rape cases and isolates dangerous people away from society based on the laws that society votes for via their representatives?
Your fear of police is more paranoia than anything. They should be the least of your fears.
Go back and answer my other questions too. How many killer cops does there need to be to outweigh the killer citizens?
Demilitarize them and make the law apply to them.
The police rarely solve murders, most remain unsolved. They only do when the evidence is so overwhelming that the perpetrator is handed to them on a silver platter. They do not solve rapes at all, they don’t even test rape kits. They blame women for being raped and mock men who are raped like men can’t be victims.
>Demilitarize them
What does this mean?
>and make the law apply to them
The law does apply to them, they just aren't always guilty in every case. Derek Chauvin is facing life in prison. The guy who shot and killed the woman who was about to stab another woman in the neck is not in trouble because he acted correctly.
>The police rarely solve murders, most remain unsolved. They only do when the evidence is so overwhelming that the perpetrator is handed to them on a silver platter.
This sounds like you want standards of evidence to be lowered, not cops to be better. When homicides aren't solved, ironically much of the time it's in black communities where they have a "no snitching" culture that means they won't cooperate with the police, and people with your mentality make them afraid to go to police for help.
It’s incredibly rare for a cop to be charged with any crime, and even more rare for them to be convicted. Hundreds of unarmed people including children are killed every year and the majority of the cops who do that are unpunished. Police are incredibly corrupt and will use things like civil asset forfeiture to rob people and receive no punishment. When cops rape people, even children, they are not convicted. The whole institution is rotten to the core.
And most crimes are unsolved because the police are lazy and do not care about most murders, not because of a lack of snitches. What an incredibly dishonest way to pass on the failures of the police to the people below them. And you can claim that its the peoples fault because they have a “no snitching” mentality when the police take that to a whole new level, with them always defending the worst among them and those who do not play by those rules are fired, with them in bed with internal affairs so they can lean on anyone who makes a claim against them. They are bastards.
maybe you’re right, that just seems so unlikely to happen though.
>maybe you’re right, that just seems so unlikely to happen though.
Alt-right bullshit is just regressivism that will make things worse in every way, it will just remold the system in the shape it likes and give a new handful of idiots power. It will not destroy the system, destroy the corporations, or save humanity.
The Alt-Right isn't an institution. It's a whole bunch of people with different beliefs and goals. What they have in common is they are open to dissident causes. We need people like that.
The Alt-Right are just liberals that had pic related happen to them and went FINE THEN I'LL BE A NAZI.
>It’s incredibly rare for a cop to be charged with any crime, and even more rare for them to be convicted. Hundreds of unarmed people including children are killed every year and the majority of the cops who do that are unpunished. Police are incredibly corrupt and will use things like civil asset forfeiture to rob people and receive no punishment. When cops rape people, even children, they are not convicted. The whole institution is rotten to the core.
You are so fricking stupid dude. How can you look at shit like the Zimmerman trial and come away thinking "yes, it's the cops who are the problem"? Prosecutors literally fricking fabricated evidence in a court room in full view of the public and were caught red handed, and what were the consequences? NOTHING.
It's not the cops you absolute cretin. It's the politicians, and the people who vote for them. The cops only do what they're told, and what they're able to get away with. You think they wanna have gangs murdering people? Wanna arrest violent morons, only to have them released without even paying bail in hours, and then have that same guy get arrested again in another few hours, over and over again until the guy finally murders someone? It's not the fricking COPS doing that, it's the politicians. It's BLM. It's fricking YOU, shifting blame from the people responsible to the ones doing their bidding because they literally don't have any power or influence over any of this. You think these low-level, poorly-trained, badly-paid morons who are unironically selected for for their mediocre intelligence are running the show? Grow the frick up, and shut the frick up until you do.
They’re not running the show and I never claimed they were. They do the job they are meant for: to protect corporations and private property law. They act in their own interest and enjoy being above the law so they have freedom to brutalize, rape, and rob as they see fit. There is almost no difference between them and any other gang member.
>Hundreds of unarmed people including children are killed every year and the majority of the cops who do that are unpunished.
Where are you getting this from?
By the Washington Post's count, last year there were about ~33 unarmed black men (your main concern) killed, in a country with about 30-40 million police encounters annually and 10 million or so arrests. Even assuming all of those are unjustified, how do you take that and come to the conclusion that the police or a gang going around killing black people left and right for no reason?
>most crimes are unsolved because the police are lazy and do not care about most murders, not because of a lack of snitches.
Therefore, we must cut their funding and make the job more risky for them and focus on hiring more black and brown officers regardless of qualifications, and then... they'll be better?
I’m not just talking about black people, Im talking about all people. No I don’t think hiring more minority officers is any real solution because the problem is not the officers but the institution itself. It is rotten to the core and needs to be destroyed and rebuilt in a better way.
Before you were talking about black people, but alright, how many total people do you think are killed each year unjustified out of the tens of millions of police encounters? Statistically, airplanes are riskier than a police encounter. Most things are, in fact.
>hundreds of children are killed every year
And because the perpetrators are black no one cares
>Everyone is terrified of cops
>Have been pulled over literal dozens of times
>Had knives plenty of times in the seat next to me
>Worst they ever did was ask to throw it in the trunk
>Yes I am aware they were likely looking to see if I had drugs in the trunk
>Several times I had guns in the trunk and just talked to the officer about them for half an hour since they weren't ghetto guns
Have you tried not being a degenerate with something to hide?
>1. I doubt that’s true
Your opinion is irrelevant to the fact
>2. Police stop working in any city that even threatens to cut the departments budget even though they are massively overfunded and given access to more arms and armor than ordinary citizens. They are just a gang that acts in their own interest. Even at their best they can’t do anything to stop murders and they put very little effort into preventing real crime like murder or rape because its much more profitable to shake down people for things like traffic violations or to take their money through civil asset forfeiture.
About half true. Police are not over funded at all. Not were it matters at least. Police have never been about preventing crimes outside of repeat offenders. Rest is correct
>3. Murders by police are in my opinion worse than murders by ordinary citizens because they have an all powerful gang at their back which prevents them from receiving any punishment for their crimes and prevents ordinary citizens from taking action against them.
I agree that police murders are worse. What you are ignoring is actual police murders are trivial compared to he million police officers we have in the US. That's said they shouldn't be policed themselves
>I dont care how many poor black kids get killed by other blacks because it doesn't happen in my gated suburb
I really, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart hope you get raped to death by a pack of Black folk
>Because while police abuse everyone they are especially abusive of black people
None of these statistics hold up once you correct for the black community's violent crime rate (which is self-reported by black people).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States
Only a handful, at most, of unarmed black people are killed by cops each year. BLM would have you believe it's in the hundreds.
>the BLM movement’s goals are to restrict the power of police which benefits everybody.
All that does is make high-crime areas even more dangerous for law-abiding people
> None of these statistics hold up once you correct for the black community's violent crime rate
bro what’s that even supposed to mean? Don’t bother spitting up racist propaganda that some other man shot down your throat because I know bullshit when I see it and I don’t care.
Police do not help people.
>bro what’s that even supposed to mean?
It was pretty straightforward, anon
bro, I hate cops as much as the next guy, but you gotta be a full-on pants-shitting moron to think they don't make places more livable, even if the only ways in which they do so are by keeping organized crime away and by keeping blood feuds from spinning out of control by being the violence-enforcing arm of the leviathan
It means that due to the higher black crime rate, police interact with blacks on a higher per capita basis. This is because American policing is reactive and not proactive; cops patrol where the crime is, not when they're bored and want to beat some nigs
> I wouldn’t want any race to go extinct.
What are you doing to make sure that doesn't happen?
Nothing, but I don’t think there’s anything that anyone can do. Capitalism is going to drive all races into extinction within a few hundred years and no one can stand up to the corporate world.
>I don't WANT people to go extinct, but if they DO, and I vote for policies that ensure that they do.... oh well!
A vote for republicans plays into the corporations hands even more than voting for the democrats, who are also completely in corporate hands. There is no one you can vote for that will save humanity.
don't worry, we know
>Nothing, but I don’t think there’s anything that anyone can do.
Secession and/or revolution. There are no longer any "polite" solutions.
I do not think more violence would solve things. It would just change who is in charge who would end up changing very little and putting themselves at the top.
If police curbed gang violence then it would not keep increasing. Gang violence is caused by black market good with a high demand like drugs and prostitution. That is what turf wars are usually fought over. Police mostly just leave areas full of gang violence to fester because they want easy profit.
>Police mostly just leave areas full of gang violence to fester because they want easy profit.
No it's because they have 0 reason to risk thier lives when it is a self fixing problem. Eventually they will ventilate each other and they can come over and document it
>I do not think more violence would solve things. It would just change who is in charge who would end up changing very little and putting themselves at the top.
This wouldn't be a fight for a new leader, it would be a fight for a complete separation or destruction of the current system. That is the only way forward and ultimately it cannot be achieved without violence or the threat of violence. There are no solutions within the system.
I’m just not sure a new system would really even change things. Revolution just seems like killing a lot of people to put some new people in power with fancy promises that might or might not pan out.
its like the cartels in Mexico. You kill or arrest people and new people will come in almost immediately to fill that economic void.
>I’m just not sure a new system would really even change things. Revolution just seems like killing a lot of people to put some new people in power with fancy promises that might or might not pan out.
I'm not sure if you're following, but if this happened in America there would no longer be an America at the end of it. I'm not talking about something superficial.
He's an idiot who thinks we can just sing kumbaiya hard enough problems get solved. The sad truth is our parents and grand parents failed us and if we want it fixed there must be extremely violence to fix it.
The police in mexico are more interested in murdering university students and burying them in mass graves at the behest of politicians' wives than they are in stopping cartels. Place is more war-torn than than literal war zones. Their entire society is completely fricked up. It's not comparable to anglos.
>If police curbed gang violence then it would not keep increasing.
Police curb gang violence. Then politicians bring it back by defunding the initiatives that curb gang violence. Or just shutting it down for being "racist" or somesuch.
It's extremely easy to stop gang violence or indeed violent crime in general. You just figure out who the 0.1% most violent people are, and then you go kill them. And then 98% of it stops because almost all of it is done by that exceedingly tiny minority.
But once you've done so, you've got nothing to do anymore for a solid generation. So then you shut down the initiatives that killed those people, and then slowly but surely the shit comes back, because the police don't prevent these situations, they solve them once they've already manifested. If you wanna stop people being violent in the first place, that's not the police's job.
No they leave gang violence areas alone because ivory tower libs attack them for harassing minorities, as if counter-violence matters to the people living in fear of standing next to a Crip or Blood during a driveby
Is that why you agree with BLMs central thesis of structural racial power and inherent dangers of whiteness?
The rebels blew up an entire planet in force awakens.
Starkiller Base had no non-military population
Alderaan was trying to grab Vader's lightsaber, a friend of mine saw it.
Yeah, but that was Alderaan.
and the rebels blew up a planet sized space ship (the deathstar) with millions of people on it, most of them probably just working to support their family.
rebel trannies on suicide watch
then they blew up a second one full of construction workers
they fired first
bad guys?
burgers?
you will never pass
because they blew up an entire planet, even though only a handful of people in that planet were related to the rebellion
>Massively corrupt
Not outright stated in the films but told in the expanded stuff
>Dissolved even the flimsiest pretense if Democracy in the senate
>Commit attrocities
See. Blow up entire planets and kill innicents Civilians like aunt Beru and co.
>Hostile take over's of independent settlements.
See Cloud City. Where everyone fricks off because they know it's going to be shit in the Empire.
>Dissolved even the flimsiest pretense of Democracy in the senate
Why is this inherently a bad thing?
Taking into account that the Empire legitimizes itself as a product of a democratic vote, dissolving the senate is at the very least hypocretical.
I'm not going to explain to you shitlords why having the citizens represented in decision making is a good thing and keeps the rulers in check.
Black person, the senate existed to do absolutely nothing. Palpastein did whatever he wanted even when the senate was still around. It's no different than irl.
>I'm not going to explain to you shitlords why having the citizens represented in decision making is a good thing and keeps the rulers in check.
The citizens owning weapons is what keeps rulers in check. A "vote" is meaningless when the system is rigged.
I can't even with you
Democracy is cancer.
You realize that even America, the shining beacon of democracy, was founded on the idea that only white male landowners would vote, right?
Letting the masses - especially women - decide the future of your people is suicide.
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Democracy is actually fairly effective at guaranteeing good governance
>Dissolved even the flimsiest pretense if Democracy in the senate
Why is democracy inherently a good thing?
Probably because in star wars case democracy being disbanded led to an excessively cruel regime just for the amusement of a dark space wizard
The galaxy was just as cruel if not worse during the Clone War though.
Which was orchestrated by the founder of the empire so he could make an excuse to rule with an iron fist
Cool it with the anti-semitic conspiracy theories
>The galaxy was just as cruel if not worse during the Clone War though.
Not at all.
Things were very grim by the time of ANH if you kept up with the old novels. In particular the crime syndicate Black Sun has become extremely powerful compared to how it was in the Old Republic and overall life on any of the highly populated worlds is oppressive and dangerous.
So maybe the epic jedi order should have done something about them when they had the chance to?
They were trying, but their complacency and pride got in the way and Palpatine got to Anakin.
>They were trying
Maybe they should have tried harder, or was the suffering of those really important innocents not enough motivation?
They did. It was their absense, and the new regimes unwillingness to produce an equally effective institution, that allowed the Hutts and Black Sun to become that powerful. The Inquistors and ISB were more focused on subverting organized crime than eliminating it
>founded by a sadist who started a giga war to empower himself and take petty revenge
>outright states to rule through fear and has no intention of improving the average citizens life
>few who do benefit are heavily outnumbered by those who suffer under Imperial rule especially xeno races
>willing to destroy planets and everybody on them just to kill a few rebels
>even those loyal to the empire are not safe from getting back stabbed and thrown away when they either no longer useful, or just fell victim to the encouraged corruption and infighting that goes on
>even it's greatest enforcer Vader was a partial victim of it since palpy manipulated him into his bidding
>few who do benefit are heavily outnumbered by those who suffer under Imperial rule especially xeno races
>especially xeno races
So? I thought as long as 51% of people were happy, the other 49% could be thrown in labor camps or something. Isn't that democracy?
Stuff like that would never happen democratically. The majority of people are compassionate and intelligent.
>The majority of people are compassionate and intelligent.
You could never say this in real life with a straight face.
I couldn't even type it with a straight face
>51% of people are comfortable with climbing down into the gutter to hold the other 49% in the mud
Oppression is actually pretty hard to do and takes a lot of time and energy
>Mass murder of the Jedi Order
>Overthrowing of Galactic democracy
>Mass theft of resources from hundreds of thousands of worlds for military use including planetary-scale terror weapons
>Illegal cloning operations
>Institutionalized slavery of non-human races.
>Destruction of the planet Alderaan and the billions of sentient beings living there
>Overthrowing of Galactic democracy
Why do brainlets keep saying this? It's like saying the overthrowing of communism. It doesn't mean anything. A system being replaced just means times have changed and people have moved on. You keep saying that shit like it's something as necessary to live as oxygen.
Anon we're not going there today, mmkay?
Well...he just did
>Mass murder of the terrorist regime that was attempting to overthrow the government
>Removed a redundant purely ceremonial body to streamline government response
>Mass redistribution of resources from hundreds of thousands of worlds for military use including planetary-scale terror weapons
> cloning operations to not waste civilian lives in war
>Enforced the ban of slavery among humans and Institutionalized slavery of non-human races.
>Destruction of the planet Alderaan and the billions of filthy terrorists living there
shut up moron
>BTFOd
>Sperg about it
Kek
No, you're just a moron, moron.
Uhuh. Whatever makes you feel better rebel sympathizer
>Mass murder of the Jedi Order
They were elite soldiers killed in a preemptive strike during a coup
They weren't civilians, they were military personnel killed in an act of war
>Overthrowing of Galactic democracy
Nothing inherently moral or immoral about a regime change
>Mass theft of resources from hundreds of thousands of worlds for military use including planetary-scale terror weapons
Do you feel the same way about paying taxes and countries having nukes?
>Illegal cloning operations
Not sure how this makes them bad guys
>Institutionalized slavery of non-human races.
Who is this referring to?
>Destruction of the planet Alderaan and the billions of sentient beings living there
Already been discusses by half the thread
bad faith post
Samegay
it doesn't matter if it was in good or bad faith, what matters is if you can refute it
many bad faith arguments are constructed in such a manner that opposition is impossible, not by substance but by rhetoric. further, they’re often constructed in such a way that the true motive is just to wear one down without actually proving anything, and so refusing to interact with them can be seen as both good (not feeding trolls) and sanity preserving (not feeding trolls)
Sounds like a lot of excuses, anon
If the argument is dishonestly or maliciously constructed, you should be able to point that out
Thank you for proving my point
Bad faith arguments aren't going away
You're gonna either have to learn how to deal with them or just stop talking to people altogether
Anon you never pointed out he had a bad faith argument in the first place then immediately cries when someone does the same
I didn't know if that was the same anon or not
Fair enough
>obi says "millions of voices"
>all of a sudden its billions
>iwonderwhosbehindthispost.jpeg
did you know not a single Toydarian was on alderaan the day of the destruction?
Defend enslaving the Mon Calamari and Wookies without resorting to whataboutism.
>Defend enslaving the Mon Calamari and Wookies without resorting to whataboutism.
You haven't explained why you think it was wrong.
I don't have to explain why slavery is wrong.
Speciesist.
>I don't have to explain why slavery is wrong.
Appealing to authority doesn't work here.
chud
Maybe so homosexual but at least I can speak for myself
Fish people in chains is funny.
The Wookie people owed a life debt to the Empire.
They aren't. They're actually very diverse in terms of race.
>UNPOPULAR OPINIONS DETECTED
because they oppose the protagonist
Antagonist doesn't equal villain
yes but they’re not necessarily the villain just the bad guys
Are you talking in general or for the Empire?
Cause the Empire is definitely depicted as both
If just in general, the antagonist isn't always the "bad guy"
I guess in general but for the empire I change my mind and I would say they are the villains. Their leaders belong to the dark side of the force, which is a metaphysical… thing which has a clearly delineated, morally good and bad way to use it. If the force didn’t exist I could see them not being villains, but I guess we’ve got to go by the rules of the cosmology laid out in the story itself.
Their officers are all British. They are clearly evil.
White cops should not be policing black areas. Period.
At that point, why have anything but homogeneous countries? Different governments and institutions for everyone and self-reliance.
Baby steps, anon.
for me they aren't the bad guys because they are the most stylish, the most stylish side can't be wrong
They weren’t, they were just a nationalistic government headed by an emperor who had control of a mobile WMD without any MAD to contain the red button. This came out at the peak of Cold War so it was easy to relate to.
The Jedi, and rebels by extension as opposing the Sith, were known for brainwashing and conditioning 4 year olds and cleansing planets via genocide.
>and rebels by extension as opposing the Sith
I'm not following
they brutally suppress most of the galaxy except for a few loyalist core planets
also leader is magic hitler
bump
Well, how exactly are they the GOOD guys?
they're bringing order and stability to the galaxy
- ended democracy in the galaxy
- ended the Jedi
- embraced xenophobia
- wise enough to have a military
- didn't let Jar Jar shape regime-defining policy
Americans are not intelectuals, to put it mildly
you can put it not so mildly
They don't have any short or long term goals other than being the boot stamping on the galaxys face forever
They’re literally the “evil because they’re evil” faction who just go around murdering and enslaving people for the lulz but Cinemaphile unironically think they’re morally ambiguous because they want to justify their love of a childrens franchise as adults
please stop posting outside of your containment thread