this is kinda low when you hear the commentaties for Batman Forever and &Robin and Joel keeps praising BTAS as a brilliant cartoon and that the creators do amazing work.
The Flash suit is awful. It's way too boxy and the new cowl's neck line ruins the more organic flow between the points and cape that the original Burton suits had. Switching to a black belt instead of the gold fricks up the color balance too.
One thing the Nolan suits consistently got right was the cape. This was actually quite great, because when it comes to a Batman costume the cape is more than half of what makes it work or not. Nolan's team correctly realized that Batman's cape is really more like a cloak, and it should drape and billow around him accordingly. It's even long enough to drag on the ground in all three movies, which is a big part of what makes it work. Batman's cape should be BIG. It expands his silhouette, and gathers the shadows around him, makes him part of the shadows.
Eh. Problem is it was never really allowed to cover his arms. It wasn't actually designed to. In Begins, there's a brief scene where his cape is cloaked around him, but in order for that to work, it needed to be clasped together in front of him. Starting from TDK, it was never allowed to cover his body.
the cape is almost perfect. They should look leather and be scalloped, aside from that the imagery of him gliding is near perfect.
I think the Batman Begins or BVS suit with the Forever or B&R cowl is the greatest Batman suit ever made.
Dark Knight and The Batman tacticuck stuff is gay tho. It should look just high-tech enough that a Bruce Wayne's status as a billionaire industrialist inventor is justified while still looking like a halloween costume.
66 goes too far into the camp, DK/TB go too far into the paramilitary
Keaton's cape was wider so help obscure parts of the costume. The Keaton suit was not a single piece but multiple pieces loosely attached to a black undersuit and lots of parts flapped loose when he moved. The cape wrapped around front helped obscure the costume parts folding around or looking bad while moving.
They could even do it in a "realistic" way. Give him beady white eyes like some ghoul out of a horror movie if you don't want it to be too comic booky.
it can't be this hard to get this on the big screen.
Getting anything on screen is fricking hard since everything has to be okayed by a handfull of coked out executives who have never seen anything Batman before. And they all have little notes, fetishes, or want stupid shit.
>Executive A is a huge fan of leather, wants everything to be leather because frick you, leather is cool! >Executive B will try to think he is being cool and informed and wants the costume to resemble some weird shit he saw on a catwalk model one time because that's what the kids like! >Executive C will think superheroes are fricking stupid and anyone that likes them are infantile so he wants the costume to look like Iraq War special forces BDUs with tacticool armor and green hex mesh >Executive D also thinks superheroes are infantile and stupid and wants Batman to be in cool looking normal clothes and assumes the entire world thinks just like him >Executive E is currently on day 3 of a massive coke bender and will screech out various words that pop into his head, and he will fricking kill you if you do not make the costume look like the last thing he screamed, >Executive F is a goddamn fricking moron who thinks he is the smartest genius of our time because he is rich, therefore he is smarter than you. And he saw Lobsters on Discovery last night and now demands the Bat costume look like human sized lobster shell. Batman better be covered in barnacles and turn red in hot water or he will fricking ruin you!
Executives C and D are the real hurdle. Too many guys at the top think superheroes are stupid, comics are nerd shit and they desperately want to be cool and make cool shit instead. So they try to be as different as possible and separate the movie from the source material as much as they can.
It's the art department guys that are the gays that demands the costume be made of the same weird things high fashion gala runway models wear.
One thing the Nolan suits consistently got right was the cape. This was actually quite great, because when it comes to a Batman costume the cape is more than half of what makes it work or not. Nolan's team correctly realized that Batman's cape is really more like a cloak, and it should drape and billow around him accordingly. It's even long enough to drag on the ground in all three movies, which is a big part of what makes it work. Batman's cape should be BIG. It expands his silhouette, and gathers the shadows around him, makes him part of the shadows.
Hollywood are stupid for trying to replicate the comic book look through sculpted latex. It just looks uncomfortable & awkward. On the cowl alone it makes moving strenuous. They can sculpt parts of it like this but it should be under a fabric grey bodysuit. The trunks/tights also help not only break up the grey but keep the bulge more subtle than it would like this.
It's entirely the product of where cultural normal and contracts were back then. Actors weren't expected to get as big or fit as actors are now, the whole rubber suit was a solution so that someone like Keaton could finish a 6 month shoot then go back and play schlubby dads in comedies.
They wanted to change expectations for what a superhero movie looked like after Batman was popularly known as Adam west, and make something fresher than the Reeves Superman movies which had squandered their rep. So just cloth wouldn't be enough.
Plus at the time these movies were still novelties so trying to mimic comic book physiques was part of the appeal as to what made it different.
It's entirely the product of where cultural normal and contracts were back then. Actors weren't expected to get as big or fit as actors are now, the whole rubber suit was a solution so that someone like Keaton could finish a 6 month shoot then go back and play schlubby dads in comedies.
They wanted to change expectations for what a superhero movie looked like after Batman was popularly known as Adam west, and make something fresher than the Reeves Superman movies which had squandered their rep. So just cloth wouldn't be enough.
Plus at the time these movies were still novelties so trying to mimic comic book physiques was part of the appeal as to what made it different.
Ironically Reeves and West both aged better for being actual muscular tall men showing off their builds in spandex as opposed to impractical rubber.
Whatever it is George hated it so much he preferred a bullet to another season.
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>is this a diaper for the torso?
It's made as a bodysuit so that the torso stays in place without having to tug it down all the time. They can't exactly use shirt tail garters to keep it in place, since they'd show through the rest of the costume.
again it's just where the film industry was at the time.
Sam Hamm wanted Jackie Chan to be stunt coordinator and Batman to fight like Yojimbo, but both suggestions were shrugged off.
Don’t be reductionist towards superhero fiction.
It’s really about the triumph of good and the realization of potential, it’s not what these crude schlock-makers would have you believe.
Really look at the stories of Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko and you’ll know what I mean (and if it’s a Kirby story with Stan Lee somehow involved, ignore the dialogue and just get the story through the images)
Schumacher said he wanted to base the anatomy on Greek statues or something, but you already know with the nipples what he really wanted lol. It's gross looking, I wonder if this is how girls feel when they see shit like Jessica Rabbit. That being said it works, though, it makes him look unnatural but in a monster-ish way. I wish more suits emphasized the monster or vampire angle, other than what they were trying to do with the Battison cowl. They wanted it to look "skull-like", but it just emphasized Pattison's weird ass forehead.
Every so often the memory that the designer for the Xenomorph wanted to make a double helix Batmobile and it just... it disturbs me as much as Nic Cage Superman fight a robo spider Braniac.
Schumacher said he wanted to base the anatomy on Greek statues or something, but you already know with the nipples what he really wanted lol. It's gross looking, I wonder if this is how girls feel when they see shit like Jessica Rabbit. That being said it works, though, it makes him look unnatural but in a monster-ish way. I wish more suits emphasized the monster or vampire angle, other than what they were trying to do with the Battison cowl. They wanted it to look "skull-like", but it just emphasized Pattison's weird ass forehead.
>I wonder if this is how girls feel when they see shit like Jessica Rabbit.
I think a closer comparison would be women going around showing off cameltoe
>almost real.
Kind of, it was never really seriously considered.
Basically, initially the idea Schumacher had was to make a retro style Batmobile. Then he wondered if they should try something more different, and hired Geiger for a design. But then he got that and saw it was basically unusable, and so he just asked the designer for this initial concept to make something Geiger-esque.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Why not kept the Burton's Batmobile?
1 month ago
Anonymous
It was destroyed in Returns, remember? And to sell new toys.
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Likely a mandate from Kenner to sell all new toys. 1995 was well within the era of every toy store having a Batman aisle filled with loads of Bat shit everywhere and 10 different variants of Batman at all times.
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I feel like no one else has ever put as much work into a Batmobile for screen as they did in 89. And none of the others were ever featured as much with lengthy sequences either.
For me it's between the Batman Forever Suits and Batman Begins. I'm a sucker for all the gadgets and suit up scenes. I think it's that toy look they have.
>those little fangs around his mouth
I just love it.
NEEDS MOAR NIPPLES
Especially since Kilmer could easily be pictured as being in shape and having abs, notwithstanding he let himself get out of shape as he aged, which Clooney didn't, whereas George would never look good without a shirt on (actually probably not even without a business suit on).
I feel the same way about Batman and Robin's not-Nightwing suit. I think it's great live-action Nightwing suit if not for nipples. You could keep the red, I kinda like it.
>more straightforward take
It's been forever since I've even seen any images from that film so, yes, you are definitely right about that - BUT that's because this 'straightforward take' sucks ass.
That would be an awful domino mask no matter whether it was a female or male actor, of any race or skin type/color and irrespective of the rest of the costume or even haircut.
Titans has some of the absolute best suits to ever be designed for a capeshit show. They nailed almost all costumes. Both Robins(honestly even Tim's costume was good, not as good as Jason's or Dick's tho), Hawk and Dove, Aqualad, Deathstroke, they only real misses were Red Hood and Nightwing(way too bulky)
Shame the rest of the show is garbage
Honestly, it looks better and fits the aesthetic of a Batman world. And if you think about it, it makes more sense narratively. >Witness tells police about seeing a youngish man at the crime scene wearing a Flying Graysons costume. >Police immediately question the last surviving member, and possibly his adoptive dad as well.
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He didn't need the highly stylized domino mask
I always find it amusing that they just straight up took Kelley Jone's Mr. Freeze and Stelfreeze's Nightwing designs beause those were the new designs right after Batman Forever came out.
The movies might not have taken the comics entirely seriously, but they did actually pay respect to them and wanted to homage the visuals, albeit in a tongue-in-cheek, semi-camp way. The bulging, anatomically faithful bodies were their take on the detailed, skintight costumes of the comics. The gloss was based on the reflective details you'd see in more modern comic art of the time.
Forever's Robin suit is honestly pretty great imo.
The problem is that when it finally shows up in the third act of the movie, in every single second of screentime it's either hidden in shadow or washed out by green neon floodlights
That’s a big issue with the Schumacher movies. Despite how the suits might look in promo photos, you never really get to see them. Same in the Pattinson movie. In the Burton and Nolan movies, you get to actually see the costumes
I recall it looking more blue than this. If the suit was legit black like the Burton suits appeared, it would be nicer too. The slightly metallic light blue was weird to me for a movie suit when they already had a theme going from two previous movies.
If you meant schumacher', that was intentional. The art department kept wanting to push comic accuracy and wanted to mimic the "blue as black" look of the comics. But instead putting blue in the blacks. It's a shame such an idea has never been attempted again. Even just using James cameron blue lighting would be cool to see in a modern BAt movie.
Why couldn't it just continue looking like the batsuit from the previous two movies? If they were acting like it was all one big continuity and not a soft reboot at all, there is no need to change the look of the main character.
It does basically look like a refined /sharper version of the first movie suit.same designers. They changed it because rubber molding process was better in 95 than 89.
Making the muscles so detailed was basically a flex to show that they could now
Who gives a shit if he can move his neck? It still looks fantastic and lends itself to interesting body language for the character. Shit like that is why we went with a perfectly fine suit in Begins to that garbage armor with no silhouette in The Dark Knight.
Seeing this and how the plain ol muscle suit works, really makes me not like modern superhero movie overdesigned shit so much more. Or the
Titans is unironically better. At least they completely eschewed the tunic straps unlike the Batman Forever suit. [...]
Other than the cape not going around his shoulders it's perfection.
00s style tacticool overdesigned armor look. The muscle suits come the closest to the comic look, not that detailed, just a ripped guy in a cape and plain colors.
what of it? they probably wanted to streamline the area between he cowl and chest so that they avoided the logo being covered or floating as low as the 66 one did.
The 89 suit is kind of a mess, it's several rubber pieces very loosely attached to a bodyglove. The region around the waist has problems since the chest piece ends there, the legs piece starts under the belt and the belt scrunches up and down, moving both other parts when Keaton moves.
They hid a lot of this with low lighting and shadows made by the cape but the suit overall did not look good when Keaton walked.
It solves the problems of the first, it is now two large pieces over a bodyglove that does not look as bad in movement. But they took away the muscles and replaced it with stylistic armor. I was not a fan of the square-ish looking pecs and armor abs.
The joints are open for movement, except the shoulders, which is weird since that part is almost always going to be covered by the cape, he has severely restricted upper arm movement for no real reason.
I love the 89 suit but think it could've used a little more color separation.
The all black rubber looks like a fetish thing.
Though I guess that arguably works for Burton's interpretation.
I think it looked damn good in the comic adaptation
There really is no excuse for this shit outside Schumacker is a homosexual and thinks with his dick when directing. He turned a ridiculously successful movie franchise into pure garbage because he just plain wanted Chippendales dancers in a cape and make ass shots with the camera.
The producers , studios. and toy companies wanted that and Schumacher just ran with it
Literally none of schumacher’s other films are as campy as Batman and Robin is. Maybe Phantom of the opera, and then even not as much. In his filmography it’s sandwiched between Falling Down and 8mm. B&R is a product of too many cooks.
movie execs are for that part. They wanted Schumacher to sex things up and play up the eroticism(without outright sex like /returns implied). They wanted camp.
Toy companies wanted shiny costumes.
That’s why these movies get more and schizophrenic. They’re serving a bunch of different groups
>New Director comes in and fricking destroys what should have been an easy money printing franchise with really terrible decisions
Yeah we've seen it all before. Batman and Robin was The Last Jedi of it's time with a director who was just plain not the guy for the job, taking a giant shit on everything that came before it and ending a franchise that was considered impossible to fail.
It won't be the last time either. As long as studios just assign franchises to random directors as favors to them instead of ever thinking it is something they can do, or within a genre they have done or are good at. It's just going to keep on happening.
> a director who was just plain not the guy for the job
A lot of people have mused that given Schumacher’s other work, he probably could’ve done a great Batman movie picking up off Burton. The studios just wanted a campy , goofy Batman movie and encouraged Schumacher to make a farce of it. Returns was already heading to farce territory , only darker because of the blood and sex. And Schumacher was Burton’s suggestion for his replacement
I think the issue is that people didn't expect just how shit and mismanaged it's all gonna be.
TFA was not good, but it was competent (and reliant on memberberries) enough to trick fanboys into thinking it's good. And since it's the first movie, maybe hope that in time the most glaring of flaws will be if not fixed then at least mitigated.
Then it hits like a ton of bricks, Disney had no plan, no direction, no idea what to do next.
They were just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Schumacher was at least more humble and gracious than Johnson and took all the criticism on the chin instead of sperging out in the media, took more of the blame than he really had to
Schumacker understands there is just nothing to be won by raging at fricking nobodies in the first place. all Rian did was make himself look pathetic by engaging fanboys. There is no point in doing that, who cares how much they b***h and moan, no one ever looks better after fighting with fanboys like that.
... I like them. The silver pieces are cool and stand out well. I especially like the velvet-like blue hue of the field part (always liked that since Forever's sonar suit), what a cool effect.
I feel like everything about this movie has been poisoned by its reputation, like these suit designs would probably be loved if they appeared in some special storyline in the comics instead of this film.
They're a stylistic reference to the anatomically detailed muscular cuirasses worn by ancient Greek and Roman warriors of high status. Through this historically-informed choice in regard to costuming, Schumacher's rendition of Bruce was obviously meant to portray the character as an educated gentleman of culture and taste.
Furthermore, as an ever-present source of distraction that clouds the minds of his opponents with unwitting and confusing feelings, the unisex erotic appeal of Batman's rubber nipples provides him with an extra tactical advantage before and during combat.
In all seriousness, at least the costume designer showed a bit of restraint and didn't add color accents to the nipples.
>Who the frick wanted a stylistic reference to Greek anything ever?
Most comic book artists in the Golden Age. Or did you think it was all circus muscle men?
See, it worked in the first Spider-Man movie because we already saw Norman with his collection of creepy masks and they ended up playing a pivotal role in his serum-induced schizophrenia, so it wasn't out of place when he grabbed his company's military armour and stuck a creepy mask on it.
If that was the intent with the Batnipples then there should have been a scene where Bruce has a collection of Greek armour in his mansion or in a Wayne Foundation Museum, and he talks about how he has a mild fascination with ancient Greek history and mythology where all their celebrated heroes were cultural symbols, like how Batman is a symbol to Gotham. That way the normies get it.
congrats, you figured out what the Batman cosplay community has known for over 25 years. That community calls this costume the 'Panther' suit, because its what costume designers called it
The Batman suit should have two capes: one for when he's just walking or standing still, and another for action scenes. When he's not doing anything, the cape should drape around him and cover more of his body. When he's running or fighting, the cape should hang back and not get in the way of his movement.
Thinking about it, Batman's comics costume is made of cloth, right? Maybe cloth that's got some weave in it that makes it durable, but it's not armor and it's not a bodysuit.
This seems so much better when you think about what Bruce actually does. He runs and jumps and glides from rooftop to rooftop. He fights multiple men in hand to hand combat at once. He climbs buildings, crawls through sewers, and swings through the air. He needs to be able to move. He can't be wearing a bunch of armor, he's got to be light and nimble. And anything strong enough to make him bulletproof would leave him unable to move anyway.
I don't know why it's consistently been an armored bodysuit in the movies when that's simply not the kind of thing Batman would wear given the stuff he does on patrol.
Exactly. I blame hollywood being scared of being called cheap & cheesy or they're just so out of touch they're ashamed to get campy with accurate comic costumes. That's why everything's washed out armor & leather. But obviously it's not worthy replacement. They gotta stop sticking Batman in stiff latex & actually make him a ninja who doesn't brute force his way through fights. He can be mildly bulletproof but to the degree he's just walking up tanking bullets in The Batman is way too much.
Alright kids, I'm glad you grew up with Val Kilmer, and Adam West, but adapting the cloth in comics which covers his muscular body would be impractical, it was fairly impractical even in the 40s, he was a vigilante detective back in the day, and shot people with guns for a reason, the more modern and adaptable the character becomes where the average criminal has dracos now then like it or not, Batman needs to become more like DC's Iron Man with a cowl. I'm sorry you have to hear this from me, but that's how it is unless you want people to complain about how corny the movies are like they did with Joels movies, and like it or not, you guys are the niche small market, of whom no one will ever dedicate 200 million dollar budgets to, sorry.
Big massive lite mecha armor Batman>Rubber and cloth.
I will not reply to any of your b***h replies to my post because like I said cry all you'd like this is how the majority of people think outside dedicated "I LOVE CAMP XD" basedfans on here.
Bait anons can't comprehend that to make cloth costumes work over muscle you just fake the muscle. That's exactly what the Man of Steel/Snyderverse Superman suit is. An inner layer of a sculpted chrome muscles on top of a compression outfit with another on top of that. It's that simple.
I'm a person that its open to dialogue, and to admit that sometimes, there's no right answer because people have diferent opinions and beliefs
but batfleck is the best batman suit of them all and anyone who say its not is as wrong as saying that you don't need water to live
Ears too small. Bat symbol too large. Actor not aesthetically Cinemaphile enough. Maybe if you slap a yellow shield on the bat logo he could play a good TDKR Batman. But as a first impression he fell a little flat in terms of looks. And the character didn't impress me much either.
To be fair, Bruce is ridiculously wide in TDKR. Like just extremely strongfat. Now I do agree that character wise Batfleck is terrible & nothing like the actual comic he's visually based on. Not even that Bruce killed people. Until the sequel but he was killing a mutated crazy murderous Robin so is it really the same thing?
That's what i meant. if you are going to introduce a Batman at the same time Superman gets introduced he should look more like Hemsworth's Thor. I don't care that in Snyderverse Batman had been doing his thing for years. It's new to the audience. But if they were to properly adapt The Dark Knight Returns and have an older guy step back into the role of Batman it would be the perfect body type.
I agree. At most spandex suits can have a foam cushioned layer underneath that exaggerates & emphasizes the muscles. Need to solve the Batman cowl problem though. I think that also needs to go back to the old way of thinking a frabric cowl built around a headpiece shell. The neck stays fabric though with the cape attached. That way the actor has free movement. At most the cowl can even be leather to go with the gloves & boots.
That's what i meant. if you are going to introduce a Batman at the same time Superman gets introduced he should look more like Hemsworth's Thor. I don't care that in Snyderverse Batman had been doing his thing for years. It's new to the audience. But if they were to properly adapt The Dark Knight Returns and have an older guy step back into the role of Batman it would be the perfect body type.
Yeah Snyder didn't exactly think through anything. Just using beats from famous comics without understanding them. WB is probably more to blame with giving him the go ahead to rush out a cinematic universe to play catch up with the MCU.
The suit on Andrew Garfield and on Tobey McGuire looked good, as spandex. So in some circumstances, you are right. And the overuse of leather in the DCW, with a few exceptions like Sara Lance's white canary outfit or as part of a suit where it was fabric mixed with metal, as with the Ray Palmer suit, was a true mistake.
The last few years of the Grant Gustin suit are a perfect example of how awful those could look with his last suit looking like an ugly onesie for an adult with a baggy crotch area for no discernible reason. It was distracting every time he stood still, and his body type was just totally wrong for anything that 'skin type.'
However, there are variations where fabric which isn't spandex can look good, notwithstanding some problems.
It feels like modern takes on Batman are almost afraid to put the bat symbol on his chest.
Like with every iteration it gets more abstract and hidden away.
Soon we'll have a Batman costume where the bat symbol is nothing more then some armor lines.
I think he sweated more Burton and schumacher’s direct aesthetics than stuff like that handled by the production design or music team. He did acknowledge he liked the art deco of Furst but thought it was a bit too ugly and scary instead of classic. He didn’t want to do Burton’s penguin or catwoman(in fact TNBA penguin isn’t even a redesign, it’s just his prototype design from before they were made to change it into Burton’s)
Source is modern masters issue 3.
I think he sweated more Burton and schumacher’s direct aesthetics than stuff like that handled by the production design or music team. He did acknowledge he liked the art deco of Furst but thought it was a bit too ugly and scary instead of classic. He didn’t want to do Burton’s penguin or catwoman(in fact TNBA penguin isn’t even a redesign, it’s just his prototype design from before they were made to change it into Burton’s)
Source is modern masters issue 3.
One more page, nothing really to do with the movies but for the artists out there, just know that Timm kinda sucked at drawing women until he started copying Lynne naylor
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Honestly the old style isn't bad, the face does look out of a 70s superhero comic.
Still mad about what they did to Catwoman for TNBA. Like, I'm fine with her civilian look in that show, with the cute short black hair and all that, but as Catwoman? Looks absolute shit.
Only Riddler suffered worse.
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I still think Joker got it real bad. Bane somehow got MORE complicated too.
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The only improvements were maybe Killer Croc and Bane. Batman and Penguin are lateral moves, unless you prefer your Penguin to be truer to the original design and owe less to DeVito.
The female redesigns would have been more appealing... if they weren't following better original designs, that had better assets. At least they kept the wasp waists and wide hips.
Admittedly, though, Poison Ivy's new design comes the closest to being another lateral move. I guess it depends on whether you prefer her OG, 40s pin-up-inspired design, or her pale pixie redo.
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Scarecrow looks better as well in my opinion.
Yeah I'll still never understand the rules WB has with it's own characters.
It's not just WB either. I remember in MCU they weren't allowed to say Mutants. So Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were just "enchanted individuals" or some shit and Magneto wasn't bought up despite being their father. Sony's rules with Spider-Man are batshit insane as well. They keep acting like he's still THEIR property and they have him on a leash but it's obvious Disney has a better idea what to do with him.
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Anonymous
>but it's obvious Disney has a better idea what to do with him
Huh?
1 month ago
Anonymous
That whole revamp looks completely unnecessary.
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Anonymous
Thread is now derailed.
But you cannot say Riddler got it the worst when looking dead at the Joker's rat face. Can't even tell he's meant to be a clown
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>Can't even tell he's meant to be a clown
It was bad, but that's way too much of an exaggeration. As far as I see it, the real issue is that they leaned too far into the "soulless monster clown" angle.
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I don't hate it but I have zero idea why they gave her blue skin
I think he sweated more Burton and schumacher’s direct aesthetics than stuff like that handled by the production design or music team. He did acknowledge he liked the art deco of Furst but thought it was a bit too ugly and scary instead of classic. He didn’t want to do Burton’s penguin or catwoman(in fact TNBA penguin isn’t even a redesign, it’s just his prototype design from before they were made to change it into Burton’s)
Source is modern masters issue 3.
Weird sentiment from a guy that near fully adapted Burton Penguin, Catwoman, and Batmobile in his show
There was a Batman adventures comic where he wore a black suit.
Can't remember the issue though
They really did nail it the first time. Perfect ear length, perfect amount of detail without going overboard, balanced in terms of contouring and bulk. It's just beautiful.
They really did nail it the first time. Perfect ear length, perfect amount of detail without going overboard, balanced in terms of contouring and bulk. It's just beautiful.
I thought they did a great job adapting th3e look of 80s era Batman. The cowl and the way the cape wraps around the shoulders is perfect. They just decided to make it black, and the only thing they got creative with was the belt.
It really should be the norm. It'd be like Deadpool without the white eyes. It just doesn't look good without them.
I heard they just repurposed a stunt doubles suit from Batman Begins. Something like that. Might be a false rumor
Allegedly it's all original but they had so many notes & mandates from WB that it came out like that. It basically couldn't look anything like what came before.
Scarecrow looks better as well in my opinion.
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It's not just WB either. I remember in MCU they weren't allowed to say Mutants. So Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were just "enchanted individuals" or some shit and Magneto wasn't bought up despite being their father. Sony's rules with Spider-Man are batshit insane as well. They keep acting like he's still THEIR property and they have him on a leash but it's obvious Disney has a better idea what to do with him.
Yeah now that was down to different companies owning movie/TV rights.
>If you like Adam West Batman, you like B&R,
nah this is a simple minded take because they're jokey. The writing and humor in the better 66 episodes is dryer and snappier and carried by how over the top West is with playing it straight. Clooney was just sleepwalking in the role.
There's nothing wrong with batnipples.
>and this is easily the best batsuit
Nolanbats and Battinson already exist.
>Nolanbats and Battinson already exist.
nah
>There's nothing wrong with batnipples.
>There's nothing wrong with batnipples.
>nothing wrong
>Battinson
It's too erotic.
this is kinda low when you hear the commentaties for Batman Forever and &Robin and Joel keeps praising BTAS as a brilliant cartoon and that the creators do amazing work.
Eh, it's not really framed as an insult imo.
fact is Schumacher understood the character better than Timm and Dini did. The animated people just had a better aesthetic
Yeah... Wait, what?
He did
>Timmcucks pathetic attempt at dabbing on Joelgods
You love to see it
Ok, let’s find out…
Yeah that's not bad. Better than Nolanbats and Battinson's suits and the one in The Flash, even
Yeah but Nolanbats and Battinson could turn their heads.
The Flash suit is awful. It's way too boxy and the new cowl's neck line ruins the more organic flow between the points and cape that the original Burton suits had. Switching to a black belt instead of the gold fricks up the color balance too.
Not to mentiom the chest makes it look like globohomosexual batmoobs.
I know it wasnt really Keaton on the suit most of the time, but jesus the mouth smirk ruinst it, its supposed to look stoic like this
I wish his cape were allowed to drape over his arms and shoulders like Keaton's.
One thing the Nolan suits consistently got right was the cape. This was actually quite great, because when it comes to a Batman costume the cape is more than half of what makes it work or not. Nolan's team correctly realized that Batman's cape is really more like a cloak, and it should drape and billow around him accordingly. It's even long enough to drag on the ground in all three movies, which is a big part of what makes it work. Batman's cape should be BIG. It expands his silhouette, and gathers the shadows around him, makes him part of the shadows.
Eh. Problem is it was never really allowed to cover his arms. It wasn't actually designed to. In Begins, there's a brief scene where his cape is cloaked around him, but in order for that to work, it needed to be clasped together in front of him. Starting from TDK, it was never allowed to cover his body.
I liked how the Nolan films gave him listening devices in his ears and made the spiked gauntlets shoot out as weapons
the cape is almost perfect. They should look leather and be scalloped, aside from that the imagery of him gliding is near perfect.
I think the Batman Begins or BVS suit with the Forever or B&R cowl is the greatest Batman suit ever made.
Dark Knight and The Batman tacticuck stuff is gay tho. It should look just high-tech enough that a Bruce Wayne's status as a billionaire industrialist inventor is justified while still looking like a halloween costume.
66 goes too far into the camp, DK/TB go too far into the paramilitary
I hate the TDK and TDKR suit so much. Aside from the neck, the whole thing is such a massive downgrade.
And one thing they completely failed at is the symbol blends into the chest too much
>BUT GAIS, LASSETUR SAYS "NO KAEEEIIIPS"
Keaton's cape was wider because of it, because they were based on Christopher Lee's Dracula, specially the way he moves with his cape.
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Keaton's cape was wider so help obscure parts of the costume. The Keaton suit was not a single piece but multiple pieces loosely attached to a black undersuit and lots of parts flapped loose when he moved. The cape wrapped around front helped obscure the costume parts folding around or looking bad while moving.
Is it true?
I still prefer both Keaton suits, but isn't bad.
>still can't turn his head
It's shit.
I want to kill whoever started this meme complaint
Tone down the folds/lines around the groin.
Stop staring at Batman's groin. His eyes are not down there.
What do you know. Looks pretty great.
bretty gud
Make the suit grey and it's perfect.
???
The only grey batman suit was on Snyderverse and it wasnt even that light
Eh?
Can't believe I forgot to color the fricking cape
damn that's arousing. Making me nostalgic for old school bats
My take
Perfection
That is really nice.
This looks like what would be the live action version of the 2006-2007 LEGO Batman version of Batman, that kind of feel
Uh kid, you know that Lego Batman design was clearly inspired by the 90s movies, right?
It was missing something
it can't be this hard to get this on the big screen.
They could even do it in a "realistic" way. Give him beady white eyes like some ghoul out of a horror movie if you don't want it to be too comic booky.
Thanks mate. I'm a fone gay
Live action white eyes are doable. I'd definitely like a Ryanpoolesque mask with proper Bruce face expressions.
Would the white be just his eyes, like lenses, or would it be the eyes of the cowl, like glasses?
Part of the cowl. Easier for his expressions to show
Getting anything on screen is fricking hard since everything has to be okayed by a handfull of coked out executives who have never seen anything Batman before. And they all have little notes, fetishes, or want stupid shit.
>Executive A is a huge fan of leather, wants everything to be leather because frick you, leather is cool!
>Executive B will try to think he is being cool and informed and wants the costume to resemble some weird shit he saw on a catwalk model one time because that's what the kids like!
>Executive C will think superheroes are fricking stupid and anyone that likes them are infantile so he wants the costume to look like Iraq War special forces BDUs with tacticool armor and green hex mesh
>Executive D also thinks superheroes are infantile and stupid and wants Batman to be in cool looking normal clothes and assumes the entire world thinks just like him
>Executive E is currently on day 3 of a massive coke bender and will screech out various words that pop into his head, and he will fricking kill you if you do not make the costume look like the last thing he screamed,
>Executive F is a goddamn fricking moron who thinks he is the smartest genius of our time because he is rich, therefore he is smarter than you. And he saw Lobsters on Discovery last night and now demands the Bat costume look like human sized lobster shell. Batman better be covered in barnacles and turn red in hot water or he will fricking ruin you!
Flying Dutchman Batman is a cool idea, frick you, that executive is based.
>Exec G is 98 years old and thinks Bruce is a gay's name and has been trying to get tem to change it for 35 years
Executives C and D are the real hurdle. Too many guys at the top think superheroes are stupid, comics are nerd shit and they desperately want to be cool and make cool shit instead. So they try to be as different as possible and separate the movie from the source material as much as they can.
It's the art department guys that are the gays that demands the costume be made of the same weird things high fashion gala runway models wear.
I made a version with sone texturing to try and make it seem more realistic.
The Burton mobile was sex. SEX!
honestly
I kind of like the bigger white eyes
It gets a little weird around the knees. And I like the more detailed boots on the Keaton suit while it just looks like regular ol boots on this one.
One thing the Keaton suit added that I liked was the little armor bits over the top of the wrists.
Hollywood are stupid for trying to replicate the comic book look through sculpted latex. It just looks uncomfortable & awkward. On the cowl alone it makes moving strenuous. They can sculpt parts of it like this but it should be under a fabric grey bodysuit. The trunks/tights also help not only break up the grey but keep the bulge more subtle than it would like this.
It's entirely the product of where cultural normal and contracts were back then. Actors weren't expected to get as big or fit as actors are now, the whole rubber suit was a solution so that someone like Keaton could finish a 6 month shoot then go back and play schlubby dads in comedies.
They wanted to change expectations for what a superhero movie looked like after Batman was popularly known as Adam west, and make something fresher than the Reeves Superman movies which had squandered their rep. So just cloth wouldn't be enough.
Plus at the time these movies were still novelties so trying to mimic comic book physiques was part of the appeal as to what made it different.
>Reeves
All natural, baby.
Ironically Reeves and West both aged better for being actual muscular tall men showing off their builds in spandex as opposed to impractical rubber.
Uh
is this a diaper for the torso?
Whatever it is George hated it so much he preferred a bullet to another season.
>is this a diaper for the torso?
It's made as a bodysuit so that the torso stays in place without having to tug it down all the time. They can't exactly use shirt tail garters to keep it in place, since they'd show through the rest of the costume.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=shirt+tail+garters&iax=images&ia=images
Imagine the smell
It's not even a bad thing to have fake muscle. It's just that they took the lazy way of doing it with a big cumbersome suit over & over.
again it's just where the film industry was at the time.
Sam Hamm wanted Jackie Chan to be stunt coordinator and Batman to fight like Yojimbo, but both suggestions were shrugged off.
Seeing him move normal in the Flash movie made it look better (despite the crappy CGi)
Grown men running around in underwear isn't awkward?
They're strongman tights.
This ain't a circus
Not with that attitude!
Don’t be reductionist towards superhero fiction.
It’s really about the triumph of good and the realization of potential, it’s not what these crude schlock-makers would have you believe.
Really look at the stories of Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko and you’ll know what I mean (and if it’s a Kirby story with Stan Lee somehow involved, ignore the dialogue and just get the story through the images)
>triumph of good
Maybe once but after the latest massacre and throwing the villain in a revolving door prison solves what?
Schumacher said he wanted to base the anatomy on Greek statues or something, but you already know with the nipples what he really wanted lol. It's gross looking, I wonder if this is how girls feel when they see shit like Jessica Rabbit. That being said it works, though, it makes him look unnatural but in a monster-ish way. I wish more suits emphasized the monster or vampire angle, other than what they were trying to do with the Battison cowl. They wanted it to look "skull-like", but it just emphasized Pattison's weird ass forehead.
Every so often the memory that the designer for the Xenomorph wanted to make a double helix Batmobile and it just... it disturbs me as much as Nic Cage Superman fight a robo spider Braniac.
Oh anon. H.R. Giger's Batmobile can't harm you.
What the frick
>I wonder if this is how girls feel when they see shit like Jessica Rabbit.
I think a closer comparison would be women going around showing off cameltoe
i audibly gasped when i found out this was almost real.
>almost real.
Kind of, it was never really seriously considered.
Basically, initially the idea Schumacher had was to make a retro style Batmobile. Then he wondered if they should try something more different, and hired Geiger for a design. But then he got that and saw it was basically unusable, and so he just asked the designer for this initial concept to make something Geiger-esque.
Why not kept the Burton's Batmobile?
It was destroyed in Returns, remember? And to sell new toys.
Likely a mandate from Kenner to sell all new toys. 1995 was well within the era of every toy store having a Batman aisle filled with loads of Bat shit everywhere and 10 different variants of Batman at all times.
I feel like no one else has ever put as much work into a Batmobile for screen as they did in 89. And none of the others were ever featured as much with lengthy sequences either.
I cannot understand just why they wanted this in the first place.
That's why battinson has the bulbous forehead?
Jeesus
>I wonder if this is how girls feel when they see shit like Jessica Rabbit.
Don't be stupid now.
? Greek statues have nipples. What mysterious secret meaning is that supposed to give away?
Kino
>change this this and that about the suit and it's the best!
>the suit is nearly perfect, here are the things keeping it from being perfect
Yes, Anon. That’s how language works.
For me it's between the Batman Forever Suits and Batman Begins. I'm a sucker for all the gadgets and suit up scenes. I think it's that toy look they have.
>those little fangs around his mouth
I just love it.
NEEDS MOAR NIPPLES
Especially since Kilmer could easily be pictured as being in shape and having abs, notwithstanding he let himself get out of shape as he aged, which Clooney didn't, whereas George would never look good without a shirt on (actually probably not even without a business suit on).
I feel the same way about Batman and Robin's not-Nightwing suit. I think it's great live-action Nightwing suit if not for nipples.
You could keep the red, I kinda like it.
For the film's aesthetic red, even that toned down, pops up better than blue
He didn't need the highly stylized domino mask
It looks way better than the more straightforward take from Forever.
>more straightforward take
It's been forever since I've even seen any images from that film so, yes, you are definitely right about that - BUT that's because this 'straightforward take' sucks ass.
That would be an awful domino mask no matter whether it was a female or male actor, of any race or skin type/color and irrespective of the rest of the costume or even haircut.
That's just an ugly and stupidly huge ass mask.
Titans is unironically better. At least they completely eschewed the tunic straps unlike the Batman Forever suit.
Other than the cape not going around his shoulders it's perfection.
ignoring the actor I unironically like the Tim Drake Robin costume in Titans
>tacticool
Die
>tacticool
You mean Practical
The Arkham City suit was better
Messy
Titans has some of the absolute best suits to ever be designed for a capeshit show. They nailed almost all costumes. Both Robins(honestly even Tim's costume was good, not as good as Jason's or Dick's tho), Hawk and Dove, Aqualad, Deathstroke, they only real misses were Red Hood and Nightwing(way too bulky)
Shame the rest of the show is garbage
Far better than it had any right to be. Would have been great to see the Batsuit I wish the show was better.
They didn't make an actual batsuit. It's just this.
given how WB is, it might technically not be able to be Batman.They can do the silhouette and imply it's Bruce Wayne
Yeah I'll still never understand the rules WB has with it's own characters.
That's what they did in the show.
I regret it all. Even the Gotham finale was better.
They actually tried.... I guess. Hard when the entire show was working around nonsense restrictions set by WB for no reason.
I heard they just repurposed a stunt doubles suit from Batman Begins. Something like that. Might be a false rumor
God that cape is awful. It's like they wanted to do the Gotham Knight suit but worse.
Honestly, it looks better and fits the aesthetic of a Batman world. And if you think about it, it makes more sense narratively.
>Witness tells police about seeing a youngish man at the crime scene wearing a Flying Graysons costume.
>Police immediately question the last surviving member, and possibly his adoptive dad as well.
Very nice.
How many circus troupe costumes do you know off the top of your head?
They live in a universe where circus performers are still famous and tiny homos can identify their butts immediately years later.
I always find it amusing that they just straight up took Kelley Jone's Mr. Freeze and Stelfreeze's Nightwing designs beause those were the new designs right after Batman Forever came out.
The movies might not have taken the comics entirely seriously, but they did actually pay respect to them and wanted to homage the visuals, albeit in a tongue-in-cheek, semi-camp way. The bulging, anatomically faithful bodies were their take on the detailed, skintight costumes of the comics. The gloss was based on the reflective details you'd see in more modern comic art of the time.
I can't believe anyone ever thought the ponytail looked good
Forever's Robin suit is honestly pretty great imo.
The problem is that when it finally shows up in the third act of the movie, in every single second of screentime it's either hidden in shadow or washed out by green neon floodlights
That’s a big issue with the Schumacher movies. Despite how the suits might look in promo photos, you never really get to see them. Same in the Pattinson movie. In the Burton and Nolan movies, you get to actually see the costumes
lol you all looose you're shit about the nipples but have no problems with the abs
only disgusting chubby chasers dont like abs
You deserve to get crushed by a powerlifter
My version
get rid of the entire front opening so he just looks like a condom
A condom with spikes? Is it for cats?
well he's sure gonna use it on one cat
Nice
I recall it looking more blue than this. If the suit was legit black like the Burton suits appeared, it would be nicer too. The slightly metallic light blue was weird to me for a movie suit when they already had a theme going from two previous movies.
Odd how the lighting always made the Bueton suits looked sea blue in shots.
If you meant schumacher', that was intentional. The art department kept wanting to push comic accuracy and wanted to mimic the "blue as black" look of the comics. But instead putting blue in the blacks. It's a shame such an idea has never been attempted again. Even just using James cameron blue lighting would be cool to see in a modern BAt movie.
they actually did attempt that again, blue lighting in TDK and BVS as well as a blue costume for Batfleck in the Flash
You can definetly see they were trying for it. But they don't linger on those shots long enough
Fricking bike helmet looking ass cowl
Why couldn't it just continue looking like the batsuit from the previous two movies? If they were acting like it was all one big continuity and not a soft reboot at all, there is no need to change the look of the main character.
It does basically look like a refined /sharper version of the first movie suit.same designers. They changed it because rubber molding process was better in 95 than 89.
Making the muscles so detailed was basically a flex to show that they could now
Hmmmm nope, not even close to the first movie.
>stands in your way
Prude.
I kind of like how the first Keaton suit actually does not have molded rippling muscles all over the legs with a ridiculous crotch bulge.
cannot.
move.
neck.
it's not Batman.
Who gives a shit if he can move his neck? It still looks fantastic and lends itself to interesting body language for the character. Shit like that is why we went with a perfectly fine suit in Begins to that garbage armor with no silhouette in The Dark Knight.
Wasn't Bale's the first suit to be able to move the neck?
There's this one scene in Batman Returns when Bats fights the red triangle gang and actually moves the neck but twists the cowl by doing so.
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I really like how his cowl attaches to the cape in that batwing-ish cut, that was removed in all the other 90s suits.
Seeing this and how the plain ol muscle suit works, really makes me not like modern superhero movie overdesigned shit so much more. Or the
00s style tacticool overdesigned armor look. The muscle suits come the closest to the comic look, not that detailed, just a ripped guy in a cape and plain colors.
My brother
What was up with that batlogo on the suit?
what of it? they probably wanted to streamline the area between he cowl and chest so that they avoided the logo being covered or floating as low as the 66 one did.
He means the symbol itself.
Its different from the one one the poster/ titles
oh that's been long accounted for, it was a copyright issue, strange as it seems.
They did used the simple one on merch, sounds like that one was a last minute change but kept the old one for the film.
It's attached to the cowl, not the chest.
The 89 suit is kind of a mess, it's several rubber pieces very loosely attached to a bodyglove. The region around the waist has problems since the chest piece ends there, the legs piece starts under the belt and the belt scrunches up and down, moving both other parts when Keaton moves.
They hid a lot of this with low lighting and shadows made by the cape but the suit overall did not look good when Keaton walked.
Thoughts on the Returns suit?
It solves the problems of the first, it is now two large pieces over a bodyglove that does not look as bad in movement. But they took away the muscles and replaced it with stylistic armor. I was not a fan of the square-ish looking pecs and armor abs.
The joints are open for movement, except the shoulders, which is weird since that part is almost always going to be covered by the cape, he has severely restricted upper arm movement for no real reason.
They said they wanted it to look more art deco
I love the 89 suit but think it could've used a little more color separation.
The all black rubber looks like a fetish thing.
Though I guess that arguably works for Burton's interpretation.
I think it looked damn good in the comic adaptation
Both burton comic adaptations remove the eye makeup oddly enough, naking it worse.
Here is a look at it in 2019
There really is no excuse for this shit outside Schumacker is a homosexual and thinks with his dick when directing. He turned a ridiculously successful movie franchise into pure garbage because he just plain wanted Chippendales dancers in a cape and make ass shots with the camera.
The producers , studios. and toy companies wanted that and Schumacher just ran with it
Literally none of schumacher’s other films are as campy as Batman and Robin is. Maybe Phantom of the opera, and then even not as much. In his filmography it’s sandwiched between Falling Down and 8mm. B&R is a product of too many cooks.
I really and truly do not think toy companies asked for crotch bulges, nipples, and ass shots.
movie execs are for that part. They wanted Schumacher to sex things up and play up the eroticism(without outright sex like /returns implied). They wanted camp.
Toy companies wanted shiny costumes.
That’s why these movies get more and schizophrenic. They’re serving a bunch of different groups
>New Director comes in and fricking destroys what should have been an easy money printing franchise with really terrible decisions
Yeah we've seen it all before. Batman and Robin was The Last Jedi of it's time with a director who was just plain not the guy for the job, taking a giant shit on everything that came before it and ending a franchise that was considered impossible to fail.
It won't be the last time either. As long as studios just assign franchises to random directors as favors to them instead of ever thinking it is something they can do, or within a genre they have done or are good at. It's just going to keep on happening.
> a director who was just plain not the guy for the job
A lot of people have mused that given Schumacher’s other work, he probably could’ve done a great Batman movie picking up off Burton. The studios just wanted a campy , goofy Batman movie and encouraged Schumacher to make a farce of it. Returns was already heading to farce territory , only darker because of the blood and sex. And Schumacher was Burton’s suggestion for his replacement
>still seething about the last jedi
Dude you're still on this meme that that trilogy wasn't gonna be shit from the start?!
I think the issue is that people didn't expect just how shit and mismanaged it's all gonna be.
TFA was not good, but it was competent (and reliant on memberberries) enough to trick fanboys into thinking it's good. And since it's the first movie, maybe hope that in time the most glaring of flaws will be if not fixed then at least mitigated.
Then it hits like a ton of bricks, Disney had no plan, no direction, no idea what to do next.
They were just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
>it was competent enough to trick fanboys into thinking it's good
It had me sorta tolerating it until they fricking killed off Han.
They should have given her inverted nipples, then
Schumacher was at least more humble and gracious than Johnson and took all the criticism on the chin instead of sperging out in the media, took more of the blame than he really had to
Schumacker understands there is just nothing to be won by raging at fricking nobodies in the first place. all Rian did was make himself look pathetic by engaging fanboys. There is no point in doing that, who cares how much they b***h and moan, no one ever looks better after fighting with fanboys like that.
specially when he was in the wrong to begin with
... I like them. The silver pieces are cool and stand out well. I especially like the velvet-like blue hue of the field part (always liked that since Forever's sonar suit), what a cool effect.
I feel like everything about this movie has been poisoned by its reputation, like these suit designs would probably be loved if they appeared in some special storyline in the comics instead of this film.
>Remove the nipples
Ireland
>remove the nipples
They're a stylistic reference to the anatomically detailed muscular cuirasses worn by ancient Greek and Roman warriors of high status. Through this historically-informed choice in regard to costuming, Schumacher's rendition of Bruce was obviously meant to portray the character as an educated gentleman of culture and taste.
Furthermore, as an ever-present source of distraction that clouds the minds of his opponents with unwitting and confusing feelings, the unisex erotic appeal of Batman's rubber nipples provides him with an extra tactical advantage before and during combat.
In all seriousness, at least the costume designer showed a bit of restraint and didn't add color accents to the nipples.
I wish they had made Batgirl's nipples just as defined, they tried but thought it was too lewd
Soccer moms would have had a conniption
Who the frick wanted a stylistic reference to Greek anything ever? It's fricking Batman.
>Who the frick wanted a stylistic reference to Greek anything ever?
Most comic book artists in the Golden Age. Or did you think it was all circus muscle men?
Because the entire hyper-muscled aesthetic of superheroes owes itself to old greek aesthetics, same with superheroes in general.
See, it worked in the first Spider-Man movie because we already saw Norman with his collection of creepy masks and they ended up playing a pivotal role in his serum-induced schizophrenia, so it wasn't out of place when he grabbed his company's military armour and stuck a creepy mask on it.
If that was the intent with the Batnipples then there should have been a scene where Bruce has a collection of Greek armour in his mansion or in a Wayne Foundation Museum, and he talks about how he has a mild fascination with ancient Greek history and mythology where all their celebrated heroes were cultural symbols, like how Batman is a symbol to Gotham. That way the normies get it.
Who cares about lore, Norman should have worn a green latex goblin mask and purple clothes.
congrats, you figured out what the Batman cosplay community has known for over 25 years. That community calls this costume the 'Panther' suit, because its what costume designers called it
The Batman suit should have two capes: one for when he's just walking or standing still, and another for action scenes. When he's not doing anything, the cape should drape around him and cover more of his body. When he's running or fighting, the cape should hang back and not get in the way of his movement.
I disagree.
You'd be wrong.
If it can have plastic sculpted abs then it should have nipples.
So you're saying there are better batsuits than this one already.
Thinking about it, Batman's comics costume is made of cloth, right? Maybe cloth that's got some weave in it that makes it durable, but it's not armor and it's not a bodysuit.
This seems so much better when you think about what Bruce actually does. He runs and jumps and glides from rooftop to rooftop. He fights multiple men in hand to hand combat at once. He climbs buildings, crawls through sewers, and swings through the air. He needs to be able to move. He can't be wearing a bunch of armor, he's got to be light and nimble. And anything strong enough to make him bulletproof would leave him unable to move anyway.
I don't know why it's consistently been an armored bodysuit in the movies when that's simply not the kind of thing Batman would wear given the stuff he does on patrol.
Exactly. I blame hollywood being scared of being called cheap & cheesy or they're just so out of touch they're ashamed to get campy with accurate comic costumes. That's why everything's washed out armor & leather. But obviously it's not worthy replacement. They gotta stop sticking Batman in stiff latex & actually make him a ninja who doesn't brute force his way through fights. He can be mildly bulletproof but to the degree he's just walking up tanking bullets in The Batman is way too much.
Alright kids, I'm glad you grew up with Val Kilmer, and Adam West, but adapting the cloth in comics which covers his muscular body would be impractical, it was fairly impractical even in the 40s, he was a vigilante detective back in the day, and shot people with guns for a reason, the more modern and adaptable the character becomes where the average criminal has dracos now then like it or not, Batman needs to become more like DC's Iron Man with a cowl. I'm sorry you have to hear this from me, but that's how it is unless you want people to complain about how corny the movies are like they did with Joels movies, and like it or not, you guys are the niche small market, of whom no one will ever dedicate 200 million dollar budgets to, sorry.
Big massive lite mecha armor Batman>Rubber and cloth.
I will not reply to any of your b***h replies to my post because like I said cry all you'd like this is how the majority of people think outside dedicated "I LOVE CAMP XD" basedfans on here.
Bait anons can't comprehend that to make cloth costumes work over muscle you just fake the muscle. That's exactly what the Man of Steel/Snyderverse Superman suit is. An inner layer of a sculpted chrome muscles on top of a compression outfit with another on top of that. It's that simple.
Yeah that suits not bad but the whole middle ruins it
The suit design itself is not what I compliment. I hate the details that just make it a mess to look at. It also desperately needs the trunks.
Capeshit is literally great feats of superhuman proportions.
Zod won?
It's why Affleck's suit is the best Batman outfit
Does the Batgirl costume also have niples?
no. Because a homosexual designed it.
Ass was the best part
Yes, very subtle ones
moron
>Uncle Alfred, it's me Barbara
She might of had the best suit of the movie
>posts the post movie silver suit
>calls me the moron
what did he meme by this?
NTA, but they're basically the same suit anyway.
Batman and Robin had good suits and I'm sick of pretending otherwise.
I'm a person that its open to dialogue, and to admit that sometimes, there's no right answer because people have diferent opinions and beliefs
but batfleck is the best batman suit of them all and anyone who say its not is as wrong as saying that you don't need water to live
In theory I would agree but something about it doesn't work for me
The fact it's not all latex armor makes it better than most... but then it gets more & more armor. And the cowl is stupid. Also no trunks.
You're wrong. And everyone who ever drank water has died.
Ears too small. Bat symbol too large. Actor not aesthetically Cinemaphile enough. Maybe if you slap a yellow shield on the bat logo he could play a good TDKR Batman. But as a first impression he fell a little flat in terms of looks. And the character didn't impress me much either.
To be fair, Bruce is ridiculously wide in TDKR. Like just extremely strongfat. Now I do agree that character wise Batfleck is terrible & nothing like the actual comic he's visually based on. Not even that Bruce killed people. Until the sequel but he was killing a mutated crazy murderous Robin so is it really the same thing?
That's what i meant. if you are going to introduce a Batman at the same time Superman gets introduced he should look more like Hemsworth's Thor. I don't care that in Snyderverse Batman had been doing his thing for years. It's new to the audience. But if they were to properly adapt The Dark Knight Returns and have an older guy step back into the role of Batman it would be the perfect body type.
Having nipples is manly actually
Any supersuit that doesn't have trunks is objectively shit, regardless of the medium.
Embarrassing skinny neck batsuit has entered
this is top 3 batman suits, it's the perfect balance between utility and aesthetic
I just realized they gave it the high collar to keep the classic cape and cowl silhouette while allowing him to actually move his head.
That's the only part of the terrible suit I actually like
Wrong, add more nipples.
Armor is ugly. Leather looks ridiculous and restricts the actor's movement. Give me spandex or give me death!
Looks like a gay porno, anon
I wouldn't know.
I agree. At most spandex suits can have a foam cushioned layer underneath that exaggerates & emphasizes the muscles. Need to solve the Batman cowl problem though. I think that also needs to go back to the old way of thinking a frabric cowl built around a headpiece shell. The neck stays fabric though with the cape attached. That way the actor has free movement. At most the cowl can even be leather to go with the gloves & boots.
Yeah Snyder didn't exactly think through anything. Just using beats from famous comics without understanding them. WB is probably more to blame with giving him the go ahead to rush out a cinematic universe to play catch up with the MCU.
The Dean Cain S is terrible, it looks like it’s from a high school production of Godspell
The suit on Andrew Garfield and on Tobey McGuire looked good, as spandex. So in some circumstances, you are right. And the overuse of leather in the DCW, with a few exceptions like Sara Lance's white canary outfit or as part of a suit where it was fabric mixed with metal, as with the Ray Palmer suit, was a true mistake.
The last few years of the Grant Gustin suit are a perfect example of how awful those could look with his last suit looking like an ugly onesie for an adult with a baggy crotch area for no discernible reason. It was distracting every time he stood still, and his body type was just totally wrong for anything that 'skin type.'
However, there are variations where fabric which isn't spandex can look good, notwithstanding some problems.
You have to commit fully
It feels like modern takes on Batman are almost afraid to put the bat symbol on his chest.
Like with every iteration it gets more abstract and hidden away.
Soon we'll have a Batman costume where the bat symbol is nothing more then some armor lines.
Same with the ears getting smaller too.
The Pattinson suit didn't have small ears
That's solely been a thing with Batfleck.
i mean it did look good in those golden books
(even though the belt isn’t yellow)
I didn't know these were a thing.
Now I'm wondering why BTAS didn't use a similar suit
Because Timm hated the comparisons to the Burton /schumacher movies and fought to avoid having to do more.
Really? So the theme song sounding similar, the batmobile looking similar were things he didn't really like?
I think he sweated more Burton and schumacher’s direct aesthetics than stuff like that handled by the production design or music team. He did acknowledge he liked the art deco of Furst but thought it was a bit too ugly and scary instead of classic. He didn’t want to do Burton’s penguin or catwoman(in fact TNBA penguin isn’t even a redesign, it’s just his prototype design from before they were made to change it into Burton’s)
Source is modern masters issue 3.
That Burton penguin sketch is baller, though
it is neat, I got to see his art at the MOMA back in 2009 in NYC
Would be fun to see an animated version of his art.
Weird sentiment from a guy that near fully adapted Burton Penguin, Catwoman, and Batmobile in his show
He did end up liking the black catwoman costume
One more page, nothing really to do with the movies but for the artists out there, just know that Timm kinda sucked at drawing women until he started copying Lynne naylor
Honestly the old style isn't bad, the face does look out of a 70s superhero comic.
Still mad about what they did to Catwoman for TNBA. Like, I'm fine with her civilian look in that show, with the cute short black hair and all that, but as Catwoman? Looks absolute shit.
Only Riddler suffered worse.
I still think Joker got it real bad. Bane somehow got MORE complicated too.
The only improvements were maybe Killer Croc and Bane. Batman and Penguin are lateral moves, unless you prefer your Penguin to be truer to the original design and owe less to DeVito.
The female redesigns would have been more appealing... if they weren't following better original designs, that had better assets. At least they kept the wasp waists and wide hips.
Admittedly, though, Poison Ivy's new design comes the closest to being another lateral move. I guess it depends on whether you prefer her OG, 40s pin-up-inspired design, or her pale pixie redo.
Scarecrow looks better as well in my opinion.
It's not just WB either. I remember in MCU they weren't allowed to say Mutants. So Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were just "enchanted individuals" or some shit and Magneto wasn't bought up despite being their father. Sony's rules with Spider-Man are batshit insane as well. They keep acting like he's still THEIR property and they have him on a leash but it's obvious Disney has a better idea what to do with him.
>but it's obvious Disney has a better idea what to do with him
Huh?
That whole revamp looks completely unnecessary.
Thread is now derailed.
But you cannot say Riddler got it the worst when looking dead at the Joker's rat face. Can't even tell he's meant to be a clown
>Can't even tell he's meant to be a clown
It was bad, but that's way too much of an exaggeration. As far as I see it, the real issue is that they leaned too far into the "soulless monster clown" angle.
I don't hate it but I have zero idea why they gave her blue skin
There was a Batman adventures comic where he wore a black suit.
Can't remember the issue though
Burton movies had the best cowl design for live action
They really did nail it the first time. Perfect ear length, perfect amount of detail without going overboard, balanced in terms of contouring and bulk. It's just beautiful.
I thought they did a great job adapting th3e look of 80s era Batman. The cowl and the way the cape wraps around the shoulders is perfect. They just decided to make it black, and the only thing they got creative with was the belt.
I like Affleck's duct tape suit.
When are we getting white eyes for the suit already?
It really should be the norm. It'd be like Deadpool without the white eyes. It just doesn't look good without them.
Allegedly it's all original but they had so many notes & mandates from WB that it came out like that. It basically couldn't look anything like what came before.
Yeah now that was down to different companies owning movie/TV rights.
I disagree
Make the nipples more pronounced
Make the bulge BIGGER
Make the ass THICCER
Since we're talking suits, could it ever be properly adapted in a 3D medium?
As an actual practical suit, no.
As a "put the actor in a mo-cap suit and create it in 3D like MCU Spidey," yes.
Batman Forever is my favorite live action Batman film. I've seen it like thousand times when I was a kid. Batman & Robin was a fun movie too.
>Batman & Robin was a fun movie too
If you like Adam West Batman, you like B&R, It's basically another two hours episode
>If you like Adam West Batman, you like B&R,
nah this is a simple minded take because they're jokey. The writing and humor in the better 66 episodes is dryer and snappier and carried by how over the top West is with playing it straight. Clooney was just sleepwalking in the role.