Resident Evil is awesome. Absolutely kick-ass film series that is an inspiration to girls everywhere. Milla Jovovich is a global icon. They can remake and reboot as much as they like. The Andersonverse is forever.
Resident Evil is awesome. Absolutely kick-ass film series that is an inspiration to girls everywhere.
The first 2 were good
The second one is a mess that almost killed the franchise until the third one saved it.
I personally think people who only like the first two are just people who couldn't handle the apocalypse, which was meant to happen in the first film anyway.
Can you REdpill me on these? Other than the first one I thought they were slop?
Paul W.S. Anderson clearly read Simulacra and Simulation and made a six film series about the nature of reality, cinema, adaptations, and whatever else popped in lto his head. Over time the studio interference got stronger but he managed to keep the movies batshit until the end.
He directed 4 and wrote 6. Star Milla Jovovich fricking hated the second movie, referring to it as a "fricking disaster" during post-production, but warmed to it a bit later.
Due to studio politics and whimsy the films have loose continuity, but certain ideas were planned from the start, such as Alice being a random clone, were always the plan. The apocalypse was also planned from the start, nd in fact the first movie was meant to end with the closing scene from the last movie.
The only reason they're controversial is because source material fanboys have been crying for 22 years about him appopriating the source material.
Why did Milla hate the second movie? It's probably the most iconic one.
She hated the script, hated the way it was shot, didn't like the director, didn't like the way she played Alice, hated the action scenes, etc. She later relented that the film is entertaining as a middle chapter but basically argues it only works when bookended by better movies.
The film is basically dead air. You can skip it and the only thing that changes is Alice knowing Carlos doesn't make sense. Extinction gets as far away from Apocalypse as it can.
She considers it Ultraviolet-tier. Apocalypse is very messy and it's basically a bunch of subplots glued together.
The only people you see praising Apocalypse over the other films are fans of the games who wanted the movies to be like the games, despite the movies having absolutely no intention of being like the games. People who like Apocalypse and hate Extinction tend to fall into this camp, because Extinction is a giant middle finger to the plot and stakes of the games. It basically takes all the stuff game fans wanted to see and blows the shit out of it. It's a firm "frick that noise" to the notion that Apocalypse would lead into RE adaptations based on the other games.
Jill was better received and b***h was mad, that's why Jill was cutted from the third and nerfed in the fifth
>Jill was better received
By whom?
>that's why Jill was cutted from the third
There was a scheduling conflict. They had to grovel to get Milla to come back, though.
> and nerfed in the fifth
???
Nah everything Anderson directs feels off. Like a student film with a massive budget. He can't direct his actors to the beat of their abilities and he uses the stupidest shots with no thought to why he's using them.
>He can't direct his actors
He can't director actors for shit, and he's basically admitted as much. He's a "visual director", and I heard a claim once that on RE: Afterlife he spent most of his time in the playback tent while Jeremy Bolt and the cinematographer and other crew people dealt with the actors. He's very open about how he likes films of people "looking cool and not saying much".
>and he uses the stupidest shots with no thought to why he's using them.
Do you have examples? Because he seems to have a fairly consistent style across decades. He's obsessed with God's eye shots, circles, corkscrew shots, mirrors, etc. He's had 5-6 different cinematographers, and Glen MacPherson has become his go-to, but his choices of shots are immediately recognizeable.
There are some shots in Apocalypse that are clearly homages to shots from other PWSA movies. Alice running from Nemesis out of the fog is a homage to that iconic shot from Soldier where Kurt Russel is running and Jason Lee catches up to him. But it's also full of Dutch Angles and fancy camera tricks that go against what Anderson tends to like.
I always thought it was odd, though, how the ending of Apocalypse (Alice waking up, escaping, the checkpoint, etc.) suddenly becomes fixated on symmetry and god's eye shots... almost like Anderson flew over to Canada to reshoot it or something.
>Like a student film with a massive budget.
The only high budget movie Anderson ever made was Pompeii, and that was his worst movie. Pretty much everything else he has made has been low-mid budget films from 40-60 million punching WAY above their weight. For all its faults, Monster Hunter doesn't look like a 60 million dollar movie.
I think Anderson had good taste, nd that counts for a lot. He'd never direct something as ugly and garish and dull as Rebel Moon for instance. 6 is probably the worst looking RE movie and it's still generally PLEASING to look at, editing notwithstanding. I think he's definitely weak with character stuff, though. That's where 3, by the Highlander director, has a huge advantage.
Some people got super upset about the movies ditching horror for action.
more like ditching resident evil for some whatever shit action crap
The underlying ideas of Paul W.S. Anderson's Resident Evil were established before the movie was shot. He already have the Alice in Wonderland motif, the apocalyptic future, the psychic powers, etc.
good thing it was prevented for him to take that road back then
First one is more grounded due to it's lower budget and has a decent origin story going on. 2nd one suffers from massive power creep. 3rd cuts her back down in power level and is a decent road movie.
Then the rest get a bit strange and massive CGI fests. The story also becomes a bit of a mess. Still worth a watch if ya like Milla. Underworld fallows the same pattern too. Start strong, get a bit weird at the end of the series as the story line gets over worked trying to find a new angle.
The second trilogy (4-6) does suffer a wee bit from being a cash grab. The story was meant to end with 3, but they decided to keep going, which is why 6 feels like such a retread and why 4 and 5 feel oddly wheel spinney.
Anderson was never franchise minded. He wanted to end the first movie with Alice driving from Raccon to a post-apoclayptic New York, with no sign of survivors. The studio asked him to give it a more franchise ending, which is what we got. And he had to fight for that because they thought even the first movie's ending was too downbeat.
It's all slop but it's 100000000x better than woke slop.
Is this bullshit-ass comment a frickin' joke? If this exact same series of movies came out today, untouched, y'all would call it woke beyond belief. Paul Anderson's movies contain the exact kind of shit that sends y'all up a wall.
Director's wife getting top-billing on nepotism? Check.
Top-billed wife taking spotlight away from the source material, as well as the source material being ignored in general? Check.
A woman being flawless and untouchable in every single movie she shows up in? Check.
Multi-ethnic group being the good guys, white men being the bad guys? Check.
There are so many more examples, but explain to me exactly how this wouldn't have every single youtube-watcher and Cinemaphile poster calling it "woke"?
How the "frick" did we get to a point where the Paul Anderson Resident Evil live-action movie series is NOT seen as woke? homiethey had a white b***h, a Mexican b***h, a British black dude, as the heroes in the very first MOVIE.....back in 2002! Frick you mean "it ain't woke"?
You homies hate homies so much and anything not white that you no longer make sense.
>Director's wife getting top-billing on nepotism? Check.
This never made sense. 2 and 3 were directed by different people. She's the lead character. No shit she's in the sequels. Look at how many Alien movies Ripley is in.
>A woman being flawless and untouchable in every single movie she shows up in? Check.
Where did you get this idea? No, seriously. Explain the logic here. Alice is the character who gets the living shit beaten out of her, dies in multiple movies, and she's, you say, "flawless and untouchable"?
I do agree with you, though, that today people would call them "woke". In RE: Retribution Rain is a vegan anti-gun activist who says, "I marched against the NRA!" when Alice tries to teach her (very sensually, BTW) how to use a gun. But the key here is that Paul had a good eye. Paul understood, for example, how to fill Resident Evil with lesbian subtext but never make it cringe. It's just there, simmering under the surface. And everything Paul did, the Netflix show got wrong. For example, it has a cringe lesbian relationship abuse drama at its heart with Evelyn and the wife whose name I can never remember because she's barely in it. The girl Billie is a lot like the vegan Rain clone, but she's kinda cringe about her veganism and animal rights stuff. The TV show can't sell these ideas the way Anderson did.
PWSA has a genuine knack for making films that are quite political, but he has a sense of what audiences will cringe at and won't cringe at. That's the reason he has escaped being accused of being woke.
It will be interesting to see how his new movie turns out. He cast a black woman as the "exceedingly fair" Lady Melange, and his cowriter wrote a male villain in his 40s. A tough role that may or may not have been offered to Keanu Reeves and Nicholas Cage. Anderson took that role and rewrote it into a woman because he met the woman and thought she'd fit.
It's like how he met that deaf girl from Orphan and decided to rewrite Becky in RE5.
FPBP
end of second was already a red flag tho
The entirety of 2 was a red flag. The first movie was meant to end with most of the characters dead. Basically, the original plot was that Umbrella would deploy the White Queen to intercept the Red Queen, and she would successfully disable her. Then the White Queen would have second thoughts about unsealing the Hive, but it's too late, and the Red Queen's prediction of a complete global outbreak in 2 months comes true. Alice wakes up, there's the white torture chamber sequence from 5, and she escapes and drives a van to New York, which is basically the ending of 6.
Apocalypse is this bizarre deviation into copying the plots of the games. It's a very out of place movie because the Resident Evil series is conceptually a Planet of the Apes-like about the annihilation of humanity.
Explain why you think 2 is a good movie. Explain how it's not a disjointed mess made by a passionate but incompetent director who got sent to director jail for almost 2 decades because he's a great second unit director but a terrible main unit director.
should we post that scene from 3 with all those cuts?
Not sure what scene you're talking about. 3 is complicated because it was actually taken off director Russell Mulcahy by Paul W.S. Anderson and given to Niven Howie to recut from scratch. Mulcahy is very positive about the situation, though, and holds no grudges about Anderson intervening.
Niven Howie became Anderson's favorite editor, trusted implicitly with pretty much all creative decisions. This becomes important because the production of 5 was plagued by tensions with the studio. The execs "freaked out" after they saw Anderson/Howie's cut of the movie, and demanded it be dumbed down and not be a surreal dream logic action film. This led to Niven Howie being fired by the studio and he was replaced with Doobie White on 6. As for why Anderson didn't put up more of a fight, I suspect he was just determined to stick around long enough to nuke the franchise from orbit with the final film. That's also why he didn't quit after the stuntwoman was maimed, despite this apparently causing him to have a breakdown. He was determined to see it through, and he told the editor to do whatever the frick he wanted, basically, and encouraged said editor's most indulgent excesses. He would sit in the editing booth and tell the editor to "bring it closer together". Faster, faster, faster, faster, faster. Niven Howie would never have cut like that, but Niven wasn't around anymore, was he? Thanks, Screen Gems.
I like 2 because of the setting and Jill 🙂
Carlos and Nikolai are cool too
I mean, those are fair points. But it's such a messy movie. Even 6 is a better made film. Better structured. Better paced. Better written. 2 reminds me of Mission Impossible 2. Cool scenes, but clearly it went off the rails.
Because Anderson kept his thumb in the pie, Apocalypse didn't turn out like MK: Annihilation. But you can tell he wasn't around when the film was made. It is the odd movie out. It doesn't feel like his work. It feels sloppy and unprofessional. The slow framerate stuff is bizarre. The fight scenes are super weird because it's like they didn't shoot enough coverage. And the movie is just subplot after subplot mashed together. Jill and Carlos and stuff didn't need to be in the movie. Wheras in Extinction, the plotlines are coherently connected.
why does this series make regays seethe? is it bc its better than the shitty cgi garbage crapcom craps out?
third is kino and the one with the virtual environment is interesting. last one sucks ass but i understand why
The movies rub some people wrong because they did the exact opposite of what nerds expect. Nerds expect adaptations to start out loose and then "fix" this by becoming more faithful later. Muh comic accurate costume and stuff. Muh Superman is gonna become optimistic 5 movies in.
Resident Evil nuked all their hopes and dreams from orbit because it ran headfirst into the post-apocalypse. Then doubled down on it. And to their anger, the films didn't flop. They made enough money to get sequel after sequel. The games started copying things from the movies. Their only weapon was seething and resentment because boycotting didn't work.
6 is a clusterfrick but it has positives. It's basically the Alien 3 of RE films. I do get why a lot of people prefer to view 5 as the ending. Such a good ending, and 6 doesn't really live up to it.
Jill 🙂
Can't believe Mike Epps actually made it in to these movies, why would a comedian add to a horror franchise?
Anderson isn't "woke" but he is anti-capitalist and likes things like race-gender flexible casting.
I wasn't claiming he's woke, just that a comedian doesn't belong in a horror series like RE. Maybe he thought a comedy aspect would ass to the movie?
Anderson doesn't really consider Resident Evil a horror series. He has referred to the films as "scary action". Also, he didn't direct Apocalypse (was busy on AvP) and most of Epp's dialogue was improv. He avoided horror because Event Horizon flopped.
That's why 1 & 3-6 are so different tonally to 2. The other films have camp elements, but characters say things like, "Trinity of b***hes," instead of "Motherfricker please, my shit is custom."
I was scared shitless of the first movie as a kid, and thought all of the sequels were moronic. they should have kept the horror element
shut the frick up newbie c**t
Anon, why are you disputing something super well known about Paul W.S. Anderson? He's talked about in interviews.
humor
>10 points
This was back when every movie needed a comic relief black guy to say things like "whoop, there it is!" and "aw HELL naw!" to break the tension
The first RE movie was good and then the rest of them were fricking shit
1 is the best, but 3 and 5 are close runner ups.
>comes
Release the director's cut you cowards.
We only learn to appreaciate the movies becuase Anderson wasn't woke. Now everything that comes from Capcom is more cringe and woke than their bad movie adaptations, Capcom is having a deal with Blackrock in recent years
>Has his wife as the protagonist in all his movies.
>Isn't woke.
Pick one.
You're beyond moronic by the way.
Milla Jovovich being the girl boss in every movie is the very definition of political correctness. How is Paul Anderson politically incorrect? How is Paul the opposite of woke?
RE Extinction will always hold a special place for me because I saw it on theaters with school friends and it was one of the best days of my life.
I agree, I always enjoyed them. They're fun, stupid movies, nothing to be taken seriously. The first one's a classic
Only the first two, the third one is a turd and the fifth is the finale. Thank Gid there's no sixth movie
1 > 3 > 5 > 4 > 6 > 2
The series doesn't work without 6. It has too many important story concepts finally laid bare.
why is no one posting pictures of ever
Be the change you want to see in the world
im rangebanned from uploading - courtesy of some vtuber freak.
You posted pictures of Ever Anderson, didn't you?
everyone liking the latter movies and trying to ditch the first 2 as they are more grounded better resident evil movies are younger people that has never played classic resident evil games back in the day
The games aren't super relevant to Resident Evil. Resident Evil improved the less it was like the games.
Anderson won. Resident Evil is never escaping the post-apocalypse, especially with the popularity of TV shows like Fallout, which draws direct influence from Resident Evil.
His new film is a post-apocalyptic fantasy film that is set "on another planet in the future", but I strongly suspect he's just doing Planet of the Apes where this other planet is just Earth. I half expect he'll do the statue of liberty, but with the Umbrella logo or something. The movie features an underground cult that worships a cross. Remember the psychic cult in Beneath the Planet of the Apes? Remember the "sonic deterrent" which Anderson used for RE: Retribution's torture scenes? It's all connected.
The movie takes place in a "fallen world". When we last saw Alice, she was riding into the unknown future, with only 4,000 humans left alive.
Then we get this new film where a strange woman named "Alys" is running around played by Milla Jovovich. Even if they decide to distance it from Resident Evil, anyone more than passingly literate is going to be "Huh..."
>The movie features an underground cult that worships a cross. Remember the psychic cult in Beneath the Planet of the Apes? Remember the "sonic deterrent" which Anderson used for RE: Retribution's torture scenes? It's all connected.
Remember Isaacs and his batshit cult in RE6? My gut tells me that this cult is going to have some little nugget that links them to Isaacs. It could be quoting the verse that he had printed on his knife. "Vengeance is mine, thus saith the lord." It could be the leader of the cult being fixated on "Silence". It could be any number of things. But I personally think that he will try to imply that this underground cult is the remnant of Isaacs's cult, and perhaps they live underground because if this IS still the Resident Evil universe, the Red Queen is still watching. Her satellites will be in orbit for centuries. How would you best hide from an all seeing goddess? Underground, where she can't see. I'm just spitballing here.
there wasn't much to win here
he and the movies lost cineamtic relevance by the 3rd movie
last spark of sould he had was for that stupid musketeers movie
it was all a cash grab for his wife
avp was his last good movie
>he and the movies lost cineamtic relevance by the 3rd movie
Films 4-6 were way more successful than 1-3. 5 was the highest grossing non-Japanese movie at the Japanese box office that year.
There's a reason Resident Evil as a brand is synonymous with the post-apocalypse, and it's not because of the first two films.
>avp was his last good movie
Death Race is great.
>he and the movies lost cineamtic relevance by the 3rd movie
If that's true, why is Stranger Things such a shameless copy of the telekinetic Alice concept from 3? Why is the Fallout TV show so blatantly ripping off 6? Heck, I was playing Dying Light 2, and there's the big twist in the game is about an AI dog named Konstantin. You know, like Constantin, the film company that makes Resident Evil. And there's an underground facility with a fake suburb with a fake sky and zombies in it. It's like... these movies are like a bad penny that keeps turning up culturally. Wherever you go, Resident Evil and its ideas about the apocalypse and evil corporations and stuff keep coming back.
But I guess... how are we measuring cinematic relevance here?
>why is Stranger Things such a shameless copy of the telekinetic Alice concept from 3? Why is the Fallout TV show so blatantly ripping off 6?
>RE movies invented psychic powers and post apocalypse
The Vecna fight in the gymnasium on Season 4 is the same as the Isaacs fight in RE3.
>as the Isaacs fight in RE3.
don't give a shit
>Wait a minute. Are you saying that Fallout DIDN'T copypaste Umbrella's conspiracy from the movies?
>RE movies invented corporate conspiracy
it's from Bethesda's games, you moronic schizo
No it's not. Vault-Tec never plotted to cause the apocalypse on purpose in the games. That's a Resident Evil thing. It's the defining twist of the RE franchise. That the evil corporation realized that the apocalypse would happen eventually... so let's make it happen under favorable terms, hide underground, then reemerge decades later to rule the world and make money.
The RE films were obviously inspired by Fallout, but it's pretty obvious the Fallout writers have in turn seen RE.
In the cancelled Fallout movie script, Vault-Tec nuked the world because their leader was crazy, an apocalyptic loon. So the idea of nuke world -> ? -> profit didn't come from there, either.
Wait a minute. Are you saying that Fallout DIDN'T copypaste Umbrella's conspiracy from the movies?
Resident Evil > Apocalypse > Welcome to Raccoon City > Retribution > The Final Chapter > Extinction > Afterlife
>shilling for crappy re movies
mental illness
Ever
I saw the movie Abagail at the movies today. It's not doing well at the box office, but it got me thinking.
It's basically a Resident Evil-like movie, and even had the actor who played Barry Burton in RE: Retribution in it. A bunch of characters trapped in a mansion with a little girl that's trying to kill them. But the movie isn't doing well at the box office, and it got me thinking about how it's kind of remarkable that the Resident Evil movies were successful because there's so many RE-like projects that are good movies in their own right, but they're not what audiences want.
I can really see the argument that they should go back to the source and remake the original Resident Evil movie because that's a proven formula, a proven setting.