>Responsible for literally trillions of planets, all with their own problems
>WHY DONT UIU HELP MEEEE IM MORE IMPORTANT MEEEEEEEE
who the fuck thinks this is a rational argument?
>Responsible for literally trillions of planets, all with their own problems
>who the fuck thinks this is a rational argument?
American in general
I will always consider Denny O’Neil one of the best big two writers of all time. His runs on Batman and Iron Man alone were definitive for the characters and some of my favorite runs.
But yeah, that issue was so bad that it give NuMarvel a run for its money. I have no idea what he was thinking.
It was the '70s and superhero writers were trying to be "topical" for like the first time. They were bad and awkward at it. Give them a break.
They got good at doing well-written "relevant" shit in the '80s and then in the 2010s though now they somehow got bad at it again.
I don't agree, but I can see why someone would expect a human to prioritize Earth.
>Responsible for literally trillions of planets, all with their own problems
The problem in general with Green Lantern is that in theory this is true, but in practice they seem to spend all of their time on Earth. It does make it seem like Earth is their priority whatever they might say.
Which makes this particular issue even dumber.
>Why am I not helping YOUR problems? Motherfucker, I've been shirking responsibilities exclusively to help with YOUR problems!!
That would imply Hal does anything except wait for Guardians to tell him to go to space to do something.
>casually emasculated by a single black grandpa
kek cuckdan more like
Reminder that Denny was cool with Hal killing his friends and superiors in Emerald Twilight. He never understood the character or what people liked about him.
>ignores dumbass fan whining in favor of interesting story and character development
Denny the Based God, as always. Catering to fans is like letting your kids decide what to eat; you'd just be eating ice cream every meal. Fans don't know what they want except more of the exact same. A good editor/writer knows you need to ignore their screeching and move forward.
>character assassinations of characters who are not my Batman is good
There’s a reason why Green Lantern rebounded as one of DC’s best comics after Geoff undid Denny and friends’ homosexualry.
>He never understood the character
bold claim that DC superheroes before the 80's had much in the way of distinct characterization at all.
Mo lanterns fo dem programs.
>You saved me and everyone I know. Now gimme money
I don't think I have seen a panel that got discussed to death as this one. I don't know if it's a case of Hal fans being eternally triggered or racists who are triggered by black people in general.
Really, it's just a bad panel in mid comic that doesn't deserve this much attention.
It’s both
It's only discussed so much because of how long it was upheld as some kind of huge step forward for comics and politics when it's always been a braindead take that only sheltered libs would think is profound. It's hardly been criticized as much as it's been undeservedly praised. Your assertion that only Hal fans/ racists can have an issue with this panel is another layer of shit that this panel has created within the comic book community. So long as it's done for the name of progressive politics it's good to people like O'Neil and other progressives. The fact that it's racist in of itself is completely lost on most comic fans and that's an issue.
>The fact that it's racist in of itself
It’s not racist.
It is though. Blacks are perpetually portrayed as helpless victims for the sake of virtue signaling even if it's dumb as fuck and makes no sense in universe. This is the epitome of that phenomenon.
By this logic white people are portrayed as victims too because they can’t solve their own problems and need aliens, robots, gods, etc. to save them.
Yes. One day the government is throwing punches with the man of steel by engineering their own super humans. The next issue they need to be saved that Very hero they went toe to toe with.
They're comics. They're exactly the epitome of rational thought.
No. White writers throughout the decades have used the plight of black Americans as a cheap source of political virtue signalling for their stories. You know as well as I that this specific incident isn't the usual comic portrayal of victimization by alien or evil businessman. It's a sloppy bullshit attempt at political discussion.
No it was ground breaking commentary that you are still seething over half a century later
>It's racist to address racial issues
You know it's not even funny anymore, write all those schizo rants all you want but ultimately you're wasting your life. Bet you think it's the progressives fault, too
Being obsessed with racial issues is racist, yes
Both of those and more. Don't forget the progressives who really like that shit and want a lot more.
This isn't about muh rationality All those trillions of planets are fictional and most people don't care about them. Black people's issues were real and people cared about them, so this is more powerful to an average person reading.
its not
Hal saves earth and that includes black people
Then you have this guy going
>but what about meeeee, doesnt my skin color give me special privileges? Surely its better then those blue skins and orange skins. Fuck purpke skins am i right?
This logic is disingenuous and retarded. By that line of thinking once a hero saves Earth they shouldn't help stop robberies because they already helped the victims by saving their lives in the past. How dare these fucking entitled victims be mad a hero stood by and let them be robbed?
Robbers break the written LAW. you seem to Have a trouble telling the difference between law and morality which is pretty much subjective. Racial segregation was a governmental state law that should a foreign power try provoking by force would fall under a declaration of war, it's like saying "superman should reshape the borders because poor Mexicans and shit"...that is known as might is right philosophy. Hal's job was ending war. Fighting crime. Not creating laws for the populace or play dictator.
Hal could have been protecting blsck people’s right to register to vote and protect school
desegregation efforts.
Could've should've would've. Depends on the context. If the act of aggression to prevent them from voting is unlawful then under civic duty he's allowed to protect them. it's a simple matter of knowing under what legislation he's acting.
What kind of legislation is Spider-Man acting under when he punches Kingpin for crimes that are impossible to prove in court?
The legislation of being a man.
So it's okay to disregard the law under certain conditions but not the others?
That's right.
If he can't prove the crime, then he's an unlawful vigilante.an outlaw in-universe. Of course that's not the case for the viewer who knows like you Just stated that kingpin is a criminal.
Do you go around irl punishing rich folks calling them criminals with no solid evidence and expect no repercussions ?.
>If he can't prove the crime, then he's an unlawful vigilante.an outlaw in-universe.
That's what superheroes are.
>Do you go around irl punishing rich folks calling them criminals with no solid evidence
And that's what superheroes do.
They operate outside the law by default, so why even bring up this nonsensical notion that they're always supposed to uphold it?
See above. The majority chooses the law on paper, but in reality people in power might be, and often are, corrupt and use whatever underhanded tactics they can get to push the laws they want. Superheroes, and vigilantes in general, appear to take these down. Their modus operandi is prioritizing morality over law. Doing the right thing even when you're not authorized to go beating up criminals on the streets.
>That's what superheroes are
No, that's an archetype of the model. I'm repeating myself here.
>And that's what superheroes do.
>They operate outside the law by default, so why even bring up this nonsensical notion that they're always supposed to uphold it?
Did I do that? Did I generalise ALL SUPERHEROES as singular minded?. I'm playing devil advocate to differentiate between the misconceptions about morality and law here not debating what a superhero should and shouldn't do. WTF do you want from me? I was talking about green lantern as the original OP intented and all the sudden you're changing the goalpost to spider-man. Killing rules and shit.
>The majority chooses the law on paper, but in reality people in power might be, and often are, corrupt and use whatever underhanded tactics they can get to push the laws they want.
This sounds much like a right wing conspiracy theory, but of course a conspiracy is only a fact or a lie depends on Which side you're in and which side you oppose. Ain't it?. And my friend, you act like lobbying was invented yesterday.
Yet again, you failed to understand that morality is subjective, but due to the JUST world fallacy you might think otherwise. And thus laws exist in anattempt to rectify that with indoctrination and even force despite loopholes that can be exploited because pretty much like everything in existence, nothing is perfect. Morality and law both boil down to context, without it
You're starting to put words in my mouth, I don't appreciate that so I'll Just end this with this. "Agree to disagree".
Without it it's chaos.
My point is that it's largely pointless to ask the protagonists to side with the law on controversial topics like certain groups not having certain rights in this particular genre of all things.
You know full well what I'm talking about. If someone is irredeemably evil or ridiculously resourceful, it's because a writer chose to make them that way. There are dozens of characters that operate under similar archetypes of an insane criminal and corrupt businessman. Striving for some systemic change could, in theory, help decrease the number of both in-universe.
LOL
The sheer hypocrisy of an authoritarian bootlicker trying to lump superheroes under the umbrella of his power fantasy
Superheroes are VIOLENT VIGILANTES by their very nature
They break the law every single day
Their very existence in their world is a testament to how shitty and ineffective the current law enforcement system is
Their very existence enforces might makes right, and this is precisely why some heroes try to stick to a no-kill rule because it's the only thing that functionally gives them any kind of accountability
And you're actually trying to portray them as some kinda cops who can't ever go against the government and are just following orders
LMAO
This is literally what Frank Miller was lampooning with his government lapdog Superman
How does it feel to be too authoritarian even by Frank fucking Miller standards?
The nature of green lantern is whatever the story require it to be. And for that you have different archetypes from heroes to vigilant to anti hero. Green lantern as a character is moddled as a space Cop who upholds the law. I'm not here to discuss these inconsistent written characters but to point out how in the real world these characteristics will play differently if we stay consistent to the motif of their origins. And characters like batman stick to no kill rules due to moral dilemmas not due to being estranged with the laws they claim to uphold. That's my point yet again. Many of you seem to be unable to distinguish between morality and law.
Killing in self defense is not punishable by law. Trying to apprehend a theif stealing your stuff is not breaking the law.
Violence is a tool to enforce it, the difference though, is that the law is ruled by the majority, even Hitler was voted into office by the majority. While someone who breaks the law to antagonise the majority is nothing more than a tyrant.
And idk what you're on about with miller shit. I'm not gonna change the goalpost.
And stop making assumptions, I'm far from a supporter of any form of authority. I'm simply not a moralist.
>even Hitler was voted into office by the majorit
False
The Nazi rise to power in Germany was largely due to over-time collation of political parties opting for what they perceived as their economic self-interest. The pressure from the fear of commies is what forced the presidential election for the new chancellor. it's a long history of finalized and failed attempts not just one big Country vote then poof Adolf Hitler.
similar vibes
Lmao.why do they look so sad when he asked that?
It gets even weirder
>Save him.
>No.
>I'll throw you into The Sun if you don't, maybe even if you do.
Edgy
>what are you giving back
They literally said gold you super dumb ass
Wasn't aware Superman got to decide who lives on earth
Super dickery still alive and well
>gold
You fucking israelites never learn.
I don't get it, superman is legal, he has his papers from when he got adopted, those guys are just walking into the planet and thinking laws don't apply to them and that they can do whatever because muh superman, if they wanna live on earth just go to some government agency and apply for citizenship, they have it 100% guaranteed since the government can't send them to a planet that is a thousand gorillion light years from earth.
>Earth has like 20 Green Lanterns
>can't even handle Earth problems
>wastes their time trying to help a trillion other ones instead
You're right, OP.
I will now dump all my money into aiding Ukraine and Israel instead of my community.
It gave us this parody though, so it ain't all bad
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It’s Hal’s job to protect and serve yet he’s failing at his job on his home planet where he spends most of his free time by not doing anything to stop the injustice done on the black community he has willingly turned a blind eye on.
Oh look, somebody itt who isn't a complete moron
This is why "heroes only maintain the status quo" is a dog shit complaint. The systemic issues in DC are Darkseid brainwashing people to make a bomb that will blow up the planet. No one has time for topical real world marxist whinging, STFU
Yet somehow Hal has time to go on a road trip and generally goof around but can’t lift a finger to deal with the inherent civil rights transgressions of his home country
Comic books were always a form of propaganda, to protect the status quo you need subversion of expectations. you'll never see these characters discuss the Real world issues in deep lengths. They only touch the surface of the most controversial political statements to guise their true intent while misleading the target with half baked info. This is a known form of propaganda touched by Edward Bernays the father of public relations and political subversion. A israeli man, who was inspired by the story of Jacob and Esau. Jacob disguised in his brother's garment and pretending to be him, tricked his father into blessing him and cursing his brother he started a whole new movement.
One of the reasons why I like this board despite how bad it can be is because of posts like this where you have people who actually have some idea about what's actually going on. Comics were indeed made to be a propaganda machine.
That's not a systemic issue. What you're trying to say is that there are external enemies persistent and numerous enough to warrant focusing all the heroes' efforts on warring with them.
And what the people criticizing the status quo thing are trying to say is that this kind of set-up is repetitive and outdated, and it would make much more sense for heroes to try and tackle the systemic issues that spawn the evils. Yes, Darkseid isn't a product of any particular systemic issue. But insane people like Joker are. Rich people abusing their power like Lex Luthor and Kingpin are. People who turned to crime because they got fucked over at their job are (a common supervillain backstory).
You might say it's boring and no one wants to read about that, but I would love to read a Batman series that focuses on him investigating and taking down corrupt elites in power using his resources and influence as Bruce Wayne and skills as Batman. It would be much more interesting than another story about how Joker finds a new way to be completely inhuman and irredeemable for the 15th time.
>But insane people like Joker are.
No. Joker loves being evil and crazy, no amount of "therapy" will fix him.
> Rich people abusing their power like Lex Luthor and Kingpin are.
They also love being evil, and Lex in particular can build himself from the ground up if stripped of his riches.
>I would love to read a Batman series that focuses on him investigating and taking down corrupt elites in power
You mean the court of owls? Nice outing yourself you fucking redditor casual
Classic OP forming opinions on stories they never read and bases on the 3 panels they only ever seen.
I'm not gonna act like it isn't incredibly forced but the story itself has Hal going around stopping space storms that weren't even a threat to living aliens. The guardians really just had him patrolling random shit just to occupy him while Hal slowly became more detailed from the human side of things.
>Responsible for literally trillions of planets
Hal spends 95% of his time dicking around on Earth tho. He had an entire lengthy run of palling around with Green Arrow doing hijinks.
>WELL BE SAVES PLANETS
Hal is still too lazy and ignorant to do anything about racism and black people being treated as second class citizens on his own backyard.
see
stop being racist and implying black people cant solve the problems by themselves
People are so good at blaming others. In the end you yourself are the reason for your short comings.
That is not true at all. You cannot influence or control most things in your life. Or you can’t afford to.
You can though.
just get a small loan of 1 million dollars from your dad
What comic is this? Is there a storytime anywhere on the archives
Hal strong-arming Earth into getting along, wouldn’t that be, I don’t know, kinda fascist?
>why did you help these other guys but not me?
>HUUURRR SO YOU DON'T WANT ME TO HELP THOSE OTHER GUYS IS THAT IT????
>why did you help these other guys but not me?
>I have saved you you nigg..I saved you every time some goddamn alien tried to wipe your entire planet and miserable existence from existence, Only you can't see that because you think prioritising other planets as well as your own is le racism.
It's pretty fitting that you have reading comprehension skills. Stick to sports.
>you have reading comprehension skills
thanks, dumbass
Ok anon. Just stick to sports.
See
So he saved their planet. How does that cancel out all the other issues he could be helping out with?
Why the fuck does he have to do it? He’s a space cop. Let the other heroes deal with that shit.
Batman writers should never, EVER touch Green Lantern. Denny is a fucking hack.
>Denny and Adams: Heroin is… LE BAD!!!
>Nitwits: OH MY SCIENCE YOU LITERALLY SAVED LE RACISM!!!!
Heh.
The only thing black people ever want to talk about is that they're black.
It's the same argument conservatives are comfortable with now. Why help Ukraine when I have medical bills to pay?
It's the same idea as Whitey's on the Moon. At the end of the day, that guys still has to deal with the fact that he's going to be homeless if the rent prices keep going up.
What irks me the most is to see good art wasted on this.
The point is raised though. What exactly is he expected to do, short of going full Injustice? Go around having those little PSA morality moments they used to show? Give a speech on national television? Settle for just beating up every skinhead he can find? And suppose he did go all-out. Last time I checked, the guardians took a dim view on authoritarianism, though they tend to do fuck-all about it when they even notice it.
Has any lantern ever even been shown tackling a socioeconomic problem of that magnitude before?
What's the point of "super heroes" if they only solve short term problems?
>What's the point of "super heroes"
Punching bad guys, ranging from muggers to galactic despots. Its not to be super powered legislators and morality tastemakers.
>Its not to be super powered legislators and morality tastemakers.
That's the logical consequence of having super-powered humans in your setting, though.
That’s gay though. Fighting crime is way cooler to see.
Obviously not or the logic based writing of Marvel and DC would have covered it.
He could do more than nothing. Maybe get to know the black community and figure out how he could help. Maybe help fight racism in policing. There’s plenty of things that do not require authoritarianism.
Man you really should just kill yourself
not an argumentt
Those kind of solutions take time though, unlike dealing with "real" crime. Meanwhile Hector Hammond is on the other side of town at a charity benefit for those same poor unfortunates stealing the proceeds and mind-rapin' a bunch of of rich socialite's wives like there's no tomorrow and there's no one there to stop him.
>but that’ll take time
Most things that address real complex human problems do
And there's the trouble. Superheroes tend to fare poorly against problems they can't hit with a giant energy fist.
See? This guy gets it.
The argument is what has he done to make the Earth better. Didn't Sinestro raise this same point with him later?
Lanterns are literally not allowed to use their powers to improve their home worlds, literally the reason Sinestro got kicked out of the corp
Earth's Green Lantern should be patrolling Earth and helping with Earth's problems.
Having read the issue, it's actually even worse in context. Hal saw a guy under attack by a mob, so he saved him. But then everyone yelled and attacked Green Lantern, and then Green Arrow came in to tell him that the mob was right to attack that guy because he's a dirty slumlord trying to evict them and thus he deserves it.
So basically, because he saved a rich white guy that happened to be sleazy, that means he doesn't care about the black skins.
Also, the issue claims that all the things the slumlord was doing were perfectly legal and thus the system is bad. Except that most of the things he was doing were in fact pretty illegal even back in the 70s. If Green Arrow had said "he's breaking the law but the cops and the courts don't care because they're in his pocket" it would be one thing, but he outright states that what the bad guy is doing is by the book in order to create a forced conflict over what is legal vs what is right.
>defending slumlords
Found the cocksucker.
That's right, Green Arrow.
>So basically, because he saved a rich white guy that happened to be sleazy, that means he doesn't care about the black skins.
I mean, he literally didn't know and didn't care at that point. And while advocating for literal mob justice in such a realistic fashion is a very slippery slope, in this particular context he was essentially punishing people who had no choice but to fight back.
I doubt anybody read it, probably saw it on a Youtuber channel or whatever history of comics thing and pretend to be experts
bix nood mufuga
for literally trillions of planets, all with their own problems
How often to the guardians actually solve problems?
>Responsible for literally trillions of planets, all with their own problems
No Hal is responsible for Earth
He’s responsible for the whole sector, not just Earth.
Some people think asking why super heroes don't do some things is clever and good for drama. Seems they can't realize that shit would be preachy, boring and not why people buy comics about characters in their coloured underwear punching bad people
Outside of trying to take over the planet the only thing Hal and most other superheroes can do to stop racism is to ask people nicely and stop any hate crime they happen to see
>Hal’s kids are well off normal people
>Ollie’s is mystery meat LGBT
🙂
They have kids? (Yes I don't read comics)
SPOILER: Geoff’s run ends with Hal settling down with Carol and having kids and grandkids.
>racist
>pedo
>murderous instincts
>boring
He's literally me
Why does black skin look so weird and ugly in older comics
old comics used to be more accurate than today comics
the ink used for brown in old prints being a weird yellow-green that you don't really notice when it's just highlights in hair but looks fucked up when used to color a whole person.
>trillions of planets
no actually not
there's a finite number of sectors in the DCU (3600) with one GL responsible for each (and six or seven GLs responsible for Earth, which is apparently unusual, so he has a point)
also Earth is literally the center of the DCU - not figuratively - it's actually the point around which everything else in the universe turns, including the sun (fuck you, Copernicus) so it's actually inconceivable that there would be so little attention paid to Earth by the Guardians of the Universe or the GLs
but 3600 divisions of the entire universe is so ridiculously large and unforeseen threats turn up so often that they can't be divisions of the entire universe, just the part the Guardians choose to watch over, which is an arbitrary size
so the likely outcome is that the number of inhabited planets in each sector is something that a single patrolman could reasonably drop in on within an arbitrary amount of time (since he has to sleep, eat, travel etc) and thus since planetary populations aren't likely to be evenly distributed a "sector" isn't necessarily a uniform volume of space
all of which means that basically since we mostly see GLs on Earth and when they're not on Earth they're in other dimensions or dealing with bullshit connected to Earth, their sector is probably "Earth and Earth's Bullshit" rather than a defined 1/3600 of the entire universe, a space so large that nobody could possibly patrol it in any meaningful sense as the time to travel between one corner of their sector and another would be longer than their lifetime, even at superluminal speeds (since GL don't have access to the speed force)
Yeah you tell him Grandad
It's because of Denny's dogshit writing that Hal's best moments are in space.
Why the fuck does Hal even tolerate Ollie?