>retconned out of canon by ANT movies
>Amuro got his own Zeta Gundam post-Zeta events
>CCA's story has Re-GZ, a successor to Zeta instead of ZZ
Does Tomino really hate ZZ that much?
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no Tomino liked working on ZZ
>retconned out of canon
please read his senile ramblings on the matter of translation being canon
in narrative ZZ is a bulky dude and isn't always the easiest to maneuver; Judau's style is being crafty in a fight which compensates while zeta is still a much more agile machine in the chemistry of the G-team
probably thanks to Sentinel ZZ in the expanded universe seems to be seen as a bit redundant as it gets dumpstered on by the mkv and despite Judau plowing through wolves in his the higher ups never took the G-team seriously despite them literally carrying the entirety of the Neo-Zeon war
I meant to say ANT movies' canon
my bad
>retconned out of canon by ANT movies
ZZ still happens after ANT, just slightly different.
>Amuro got his own Zeta Gundam post-Zeta events
Right until he decided that it's shit and decided to bring Dijeh into space instead.
>CCA's story has Re-GZ, a successor to Zeta instead of ZZ
You mean a cheap knock-off of Zeta. Feds were REALLY cheaping out on Londo Bell support at the time and wanted Char to win.
Kind of, but it's not just Judau, Roux was also able pilot ZZ just fine after adjusting to it.
ReGZ isn't a 'cheap knockoff' of Zeta, it's basically the same unit sans the flight module. And it held on its its own against Char and Gyunei together, almost killing Gyunei. Amuro rejecting the ReGZ over the Nu says more about the Zeta than anything.
>basically the same unit sans the flight module
so a cheap knockoff
more cost-productive, shitty brat
still not enough to actually get mass produced so it failed at both being a high performance unit like the Zeta Plus line and at being suited for mass production like ReZEL after it. Not to mention how tremendously moronic the BWS is.
This feeds into the point I'm making here:
The Federation did not have an easy time reproducing the Zeta as a mass production unit despite the hard on they had for it.
it's really telling that when they finally got a mass production Zeta ready it was a methuss-based frame instead
>The Federation did not have an easy time reproducing the Zeta as a mass production
you homies keeps saying this and yet there's a hundred million Z+ units
It's hilarious that the Federation nails it the first time around with the A1, only to produce the shittier Zeta Plus R as a prototype for the ReGZ, then make a whole new airframe for the ReGZ... which is still shittier than the A1. And Amuro has to "fix" the ReGZ by literally just designing the C1. Again. At least the ReGZ Custom takes new strides by having I primary that's unlike anything fielded by the Zeta lineage, the ReGZID is just the C1 a second time, and it's not even better than the C1 is. The whole ReGZ line including the Zeta Plus R has to be a fricking money laundering scheme
The Zeta Plus suits were all just elaborate tax write-offs to excuse the obscene amounts of money Anaheim spent on sticking 3 generators inside the ZZ plus a miniature colony laser in the head
The ZZ seems like a german wunderwaffe, barely holding together only through space magic
The ammount of moving / transforming parts alone must be a total nightmare to maintain. The real hero in ZZ is Astonaige for putting up with it.
Astonaige: we gotta repair the ZZ again, Judau is roughing it up as usual. wait, why is there a vulcan on the center of the head??
Bleeehhhggghhh.............
Poor Astonaige died like a enemy grunt
fricking Chan
there's a bunch of individual variants between the A, B, C and D but in practice there was probably less than 50 physical units total
A, C, and D are all said to have entered mass production and a lot of the variants are limited run new hulls, though some are also conversions. For example, the A1B, A3, C4, and E are all new airframes while the A2 and B are conversion types. All the variants besides the the A3 are multiple aircraft runs, not solo craft. I think a much more accurate estimate of the number of airframes is around 80, considering the three main mass production models could easily be 60 between the three of them. There were around 20-something A1 models and the C type is even more numerous than the A. There's also the unknown C2, C3, and space-use D that could be either conversions or new airframes.
Forgot to add, but 50 is already a ton of Zetas. The Doven's production run was only in the teens if that and it's considered a true mass production unit
>The Federation did not have an easy time reproducing the Zeta as a mass production unit despite the hard on they had for it.
Mass-Production type Zeta is the funniest shit too. Imagine making a Zeta, but giving up on replicating the transformation at all.
MP ZZ at least got High Mega Cannon, not to mention also a Diffuse Mega Particle Cannon. It's a beast in it's own right.
achtually in the novelisation Amuro requests for his Zeta to be transported into space for him to use which the feddies were being intentionally flaky about giving him the RGZ to use instead - which is basically the same suit only larger and lacking a full integrated binder
He decided it was faster to commission the new GumGum from the mooncoons
Now it's more a case of which you'd prefer to listen to; Tomino or Moon Gundam
this is what confuses me, he has the Zeta Plus A-1 on earth, and he has Zeta-3 in space, so if that statement about him asking Zeta sent to space, why he is asking for a Zeta Plus when he already has a Zeta Gundam waiting for him in space?
all of the Zeta variants were put into cold storage after the Neo Zeon war ended
???
have fun deciphering which zeta he called for because there's the blue one, the evolution pink one and then his karaba Z+A1
the A1 can pretty safely ignored as it's mainly made for in atmosphere use while the C series is the AUEG's space version. The D's might also be intended for both space + in atmosphere, but it lacks the proper waverider binder like the classic zeta so technically it's not a waverider and just a regular old cruisemode transformation
his Z+ might've just been for show though as I don't think he's ever recorded using it outside of the first few flights
The Z-3A might not have been his personal suit, just one they were letting him use because it has some similar lore + speculation like the Z+A1
I think that was just ones with a bio-sensor primarily THE Zeta Gundam
Feds REALLY wanted to mass produce Zeta so I doubt they just got rid of the Plus's that and multiple different parties within the Fed's military had their own Plus variants. The C line specifically fits a lot of niches that no other suit fills until the ReZel shows up even then it's really on;y Classic Zetas and Z+C4 that actually turn into waveriders
dont forget he asked for a Re-GZ ID to be built
oh god there's more of these homieZ
>I think that was just ones with a bio-sensor primarily THE Zeta Gundam
It's canon that the entire Delta Plus line comes with biosensors, but they're not as capable as the ones deployed by Neo Zeon.
Re-GZ Custom has a proper Waverider
>AK-47
What were they thinking?
Talk like a normal person.
>passes up the Mk.V, multiple Zetas, and probably another suit I'm forgetting
>goes back to the fricking Dijeh
>designs his "ideal" ReGZ, doesn't even get to pilot it
Why did Moon make Amuro such a cuck
>goes back to the fricking Dijeh
Based.
Those frickers were still effective in Narrative and he got a heavily modified space version, that is basically a Gundam.
Too bad he didn't base it on SE-R, but I guess he was more comfortable with an MS that he designed for himself, rather than NIH upgrade.
>Roux was also able pilot ZZ just fine after adjusting to it.
Roux's a newtype, of course she could
She's also a good pilot, unless you're implying all oldtypes suck, which they don't since there's been a ton of great oldtype pilots.
No, just that Newtypes seem to naturally adapt to piloting different mobile suits.
Tomino really pushes the idea that newtypes are supposed to be good at everything nowadays.
Newtypes being innately good at understanding and operating MS was kinda already an idea back in 1988
And then all of this got forgotten by the time of F91.
We don't still talk about "indigo children" so I assume they've moved on too.
isn't Seabook dangerously close to being a luddite?
the show also implies she's ZZ's test pilot. She joined the Argama crew while piloting one of the ZZ Core Fighters and she also told Judau how to do the first docking. If Anaheim trusted her with that it just means she's that good as a pilot
On that note, was it Astonaige or Reccoa that was piloting the Zeta from the moon in its 1st appearance?
Astonaige. The other person in the support ship that helped ferry the Zeta on the long distance trip was Fa.
Huh? I pretty clearly remember that when the Zeta first appeared it was with Apolly in the Zeta and Fa in the support ship thing. Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for Astonaige being able to ward off Jerid and Mouar in their Gabthleys but not be able to do shit against Mashmyre by the time of ZZ.
Sorry, confused Astonaige and Apolly as they've both 'A' names.
Or that good at sucking wieners.
>ANT movies
>canon
???
Only good ZZ is FAZZ anyway
raped
Support Unit. Gets reckt by a Raid unit easily.
Next you'll say that MP ZZ is the best ZZ.
It's literally a worse version of the Full Armor ZZ gundam with all its best features removed because it was made solely for testing out the new equipment and calibrating it.
I think it'd have been pretty rad if the ZZ was a proper multi seat combiner
Isn't that basically the S Gundam?
cool
Judau and his wives
>canon
Me no read
>Does Tomino really hate ZZ that much?
nah he hates dumb autists like you
>40 years later
>he didn't do anything again with ZZ and Judau
hmmm
Tomino only did ZZ because it was the only way to get CCA movie approved by Bandai. He was playing the office politics.
wonder how that worked
>Tomino: see, ZZ is doing terribly and I'm making it a comedy slop that ruins the mood of Zeta to disappoint the fans and I will keep doing it until you approve my CCA
>Sunrise: ok but remove Beltrochika from the story
>Tomino: the frick why?
>Sunrise: we want people to self-insert as Amuro so he can't be a married person
>Tomino: son of b***hes... I will add Chan then
: son of b***hes... I will add Chan then
>and then have hathaway kill her out of spite
Don't make shit up.
There's nothing to make up. Tomino is well known to be politically savvy.
They should have used this to be ZZ.
it looks closer to Zeta than the actuall ZZ
Not even fully owned by Bandai.
In the production notes for ZZ Gundam, one of the things that was considered for the ZZ Gundam itself was that it looked different than the Zeta, they wanted viewers to be able to identify them quickly because they would be sharing the same scenes.
looks like a fricking mess.
no gundam past mk2 looks good
rare suits of other makes look good either. Rick Dias is good, asshimar.
but mid-late zeta everything is a disaster mishmash of geometry
>detailed design bad simple design good
Fricking applegay
I prefer oranges.
in CCA there's tactical orange containment units since Bright learned his lesson at the start of ZZ about unrestrained produce
The Sazabi weaponized orange bits, so once again, the Federation was behind the curve.
KNIFE
>kill off Haman
>hire her VA in CCA anyway
Why does every Tomino interview troonyslation is written like a /b/ shitpost?
that's how normal people talk anon
celebrties don't talk like that during interviews
celebrties aren't normal people
nobody on Cinemaphile is a normal person
Cinemaphile's full of normal people. They generally just lurk though. Nice trips.
you literally can't even speak english so i think this is a problem with you and not with the translation.
Tomino is a shitposter.
Machine translation.
>If this man doesn't lick my pussy, I'll kill him.
how many crazy b***hes did this man encounter in his time?
It's about the attitude and not the actual thing to act upon.
Tomino wanted to give Char a confident woman who knew her own price well, not a third-rate harlot, who would be all over him (even if she loves him enough for that).
>canon
When will these redditors leave.
did you have a meltdown when Banrise officially announced that Origin and Thunderbolt aren't canon?
The point is, you're not supposed to care
Actual moron.
Actual seether
>Banrise officially announced that Origin and Thunderbolt aren't canon?
Not than anon, but when did they announce it?
You know how much Bandai's staff love Zeta when there are like 50 variants of it
it's mostly Katoki's fault
>the MG 1.5 RGZ is PB exclusive
frick my life
>Does Tomino really hate ZZ that much?
He wanted the horrible goofy tone in the early episodes to continue the entire series, thank frick that was changed. It's obvious he was mad at that and looks back at ZZ with despise because he didnt get his way.
It's also the reason why Tomino refuses to do compilation movies for ZZ. The whole series is just a mess. Best left forgotten.
ZZ is a maintenance/logistics nightmare compare to Zeta family Gundams. You can literally slap a Zaku head on Zeta and it could still function, but with ZZ you have to make sure any changes and adjustments you make is also compatible with the 3 core fighters
Factually incorrect.
Crossbone is fanfic
so is the idea you need more than Astonaige and a six pack of sippy drinks to keep the ZZ running
CHADstonaige alone can do the work of a 10 men full maintenance squad so that's hardly fair
Still considered to be main UC and not alt UC, like Origin and Thunderbolt.
Not to mention moronic claim about 3 Core Fighters. You can lose the Core Block functionality/transformation and still have a useable MC.
It's not even on the timelines anon, it's literally fanfiction
>willed F89 into existence
Just give it up.
Was their no full sized parts available for Judau to use for replacement parts instead of the garbage he used?
Why do they keep on forcing v-fins on the Re-GZ? It looks cools with the antennas that it already has, which also gave it a more unique look.
>Was their no full sized parts available for Judau to use for replacement parts instead of the garbage he used?
In Jupiter sphere? As a civilian? No.
Also that pic is from around 65 years later. Image trying to find spare parts for an experimental plane from the 60s. It's probably a miracle the machine was still running.
nah, the more zeta-like Re-GZ looks the better
ZZ never saw the same level of success or production or variation that the Zeta did and the Zeta is still considered a fairly unique MS that doesn't exactly have a shitton of spare parts lying around, at least not without a dedicated machine shop to fabricate new parts or with the backing of Anaheim's engineering services.
It's not really canon either but to support this, Gundam Evolve shows that Judau was forced to jury-rig a set of GM III legs to replace the ZZ's original legs when he signed on to travel with the JEF.
I suppose, but the Zeta family was too expensive to mass produce, the EF spent a a lot of time trying to make a mass production version that didn't cost them out the ass.
>You can literally slap a Zaku head on Zeta and it could still function, but with ZZ you have to make sure any changes and adjustments you make is also compatible with the 3 core fighters
Zaku Zeta literally couldn't transform due to the different head and had an extremely limited field of view due to the monoeye not working correctly with the 360 panoramic wienerpit.
ZZ is Endo's Gundam according to Tomino
CCA directly references Haman's war
even ZZ's eyecatcher shows Zeta instead of ZZ kek
zetabroes we got too wienery
>ZZ gay didn't watch Zeta
the frick.. why?
fake image
has no piss filter
cope
SHOU
Nonwatcher go back
Isn't the ZZ kinda of an engineering nightmare in-universe?
It has structural integrity issues
>arguing about canon
>for fricking gundam
>again
you fricks just never stop
the ZZ always seemed horribly impractical in its own series. Every time they deploy it's like
>fly around like morons
>get zero frags
>finally decide to combine
>give the enemy a chance to frick you up while you're doing your transformation sequence
yeah, it worked in Getter Robo but not in a real-robot setting
Should've utilised G-Fortress mode more.
Which is to say, I don't remember a single time when it was used in ZZ at all.
i think it was used just once, on earth somewhere around the dakar arc
its because no one really knows how to use ZZ properly. if someone can really draw out its full potential, it would have more variants
looking at its stats, pretty much any man can only think that a ZZ variant would be a beam spammer because of its high generator output. so FAZZ.
Anaheim just really took their sweet time making Theta Plus.
Hell, if they were able to make Delta Gundam earlier, its variants could be more popular than Zeta's.
>its because no one really knows how to use ZZ properly. if someone can really draw out its full potential, it would have more variants
The ZZ is honestly just a poorly designed unit and doesn't really have a niche it can fulfill:
>it can split into 3 core fighters and change into a mobile armor
they are completely useless features and cause more problems than they are worth
>it has a huge output generator which gives it the same thrust as ship
>but it is a huge unwieldy motherfricker
and due to all the bullshit needed for it's ridiculous complicated combination it's full of structural integrity flaws making it not as though as it could be
>which requires the Full Armor upgrade to fix
which just makes the ZZ an even more unwieldy motherfricker and even makes transforming impossible just to show how useless a feature it was
>it is full of high powered weaponry including the High Mega Cannon so it could still be used as an artillery unit and beam spammer as you mentioned
but actually using all this weaponry drains even the high output generator like a prostitute drains sperm
And that's without going into the nightmare that maintenance of the thing seem to be.
>tl;dr: The ZZ should be the poster child for overdesigned bullshit, it has too many features that conflict with each other.
Wrong. All of it.
I think more of they just slapped everything on it, but no one really knows how to maximize its use.
and it doesn't have any structural flaws, it was said that it has armoring flaws. as the corefighter/generator is exposed which the same problem with S-Gundam and the fix was putting another armor layering the stomach section.
and if you think about it, ZZ has very high output and its double beam rifle is said to be adjustable to have an output of Gundam MkII to almost Zeta Hyper Mega Launcher levels. and it is said to have a high enough output to shoot 200 shots of a Zeta Hyper Mega Launcher
for me, if ZZ has that high generator output, I would have him equipped with a beam rifle that is like a peawiener smasher in each hand and just saturate the area with Mk2 level beam shots, no one can escape that level of beam spam
>fixes every single flaw of the ZZ
>forced to job against a moon moon moron, on foot, that chucks a plain ol' pointy stick at it
>female pilot that isn't Roux
Nuff said, Theta was doomed.
every single flaw of the ZZ
There was nothing to fix in the first place.
Anon, they literally have to make an upgrade in the show to fix the thing's flaws.
It's a badly designed MS. Just accept it.
>flawless robot
>get's an upgrade just to look cooler
uhh you are a homosexual
for one it has a nutter so you don't need a whole team that works well together to effectively split up the suit in battle
all those butthurt zetagays being mad at ZZ just because it exists and making all kind of shit up to discredit it will never cease to be hilarious, really
Is Roux the most competent female pilot in UC?
>the most competent female pilot
That's not a high bar.
I realize but still she got some kills
So did Elle. Not a big deal.
>t. Assmad Glemycel
>implying Glemy the simp wouldn't be all about Roux being perfect
Elle on other hand doesn't get nearly enough recognition despite doing good job.
bro zeta just happened
Jerid only got where he is thanks to Emma carrying his moronic ass to the mk2 team
Wrong.
No, I’d say Emma is the most competent female pilot(until she went full moronic and jumped out of her wienerpit at the end of Zeta) in early UC. Crossbone era Cecily is probably the most competent female pilot in late UC
Emma was competent, but not THAT competent.
ENTER
>only lived thanks to the newtype kid in the belly
That doesn't discredit her feats, she survived through mostly all of Victory.
Cecily got carried by her bleeding edge Vigna Ghina (literally the best MS the Crossbone Vanguard had at the time, bar none) and the fact that her Darth Vader father went so off the rails that he personally wanted to kill her with his bare cyborg hands instead of making her suit swiss cheese.
>meanwhile Roux never scored cuz Judau fricked off to Jupiter, thus never gaining the true powers that only a mother could have
SAD!
Roux literally went to Jupiter with him.
Probably.
But then again, ZZ girls would dominate the top 10 female pilots in Gundam in general. Thera are at least 6 good ones. 5 if we exclude Haman.
Is Haman actually the best female UC pilot? It's hard to tell when somebody has that crazy of a suit like the Qubeley.
Well, she's one of the best UC pilots in general. One thing to note, Axis had a better Newtype-use suits than Qubeley at that point, she just decided that she doesn't need an upgrade to rape the battlefield by herself.
is that screenshot real?
Obviously considering she had to pilot the Zeta Gundam and that thing was specifically tuned for Kamille's which meant it'd be hard for anyone else to pilot short of Judau.
That's small feat.
Roux had to pilot the Double Zeta and scored some tight kills.
>and that thing was specifically tuned for Kamille's
This was never the case
Kamille designed the thing for his own use and that made it generally difficult to draw out its full potential outside of him or someone on his skill level. That's why the ZZ upgrade had to happen for Judau, cause outside of toy reasons, the Zeta was just not suited for him despite still being a top of the line MS at the time.
>Kamille designed the thing for his own use and that made it generally difficult to draw out its full potential outside of him
Zeta was the result of the Delta project an ongoing project of Anaheim. They were stuck until they reversed engineered the movable frame tech from the MK. II. Kamille did some initial work by combining the data of the MK.II and Rick Dias. Anaheim took all of that and finished their project. It's amazing how wrong you are
Not really. That was a retcon after the show.
No even in the show kamille is only shown combining the data from the rick dias with the data from the MK.II. the development of the zeta was out of his hands
Stealing the MK. II for the movable frame was the main objective of the AEUG
I'm not mad it exists, but its a silly goofy spinoff that has 180 turn in tone compared to zeta and 0079, shitty characters and the only value of it is lol silly moments and goofy characters and that's pretty much it.
i watched it but it really doesn't go on the same mental folder/continuity as 0079 and zeta.
basically its a spinoff, non serious work, like sadly majority of gundam series that exist.
>I'm not mad it exists, but here's why I'm mad
what about how the show drops 99% of the goofy shit by episode 20, has a colony drop that makes Kamille sob, and does a bunch of frickery with cyber-newtype clones
>does a bunch of frickery with cyber-newtype clones
I am in my 30s and am extremely uncomfortable around Puru and was glad when she died.
>uncomfortable around children
>actively glad when they die
Are you okay anon?
Americans are a weird bunch.
stupid sexy spaceboy
I haven't got to that yet
The goofy shit still continues. Mondo and Beecha still do the same crap. Zzgags love lying
>bet it gets serious I swear
It's not like Zeta was super grimdark or something either. The argama crew had plenty of downtime. ZZ is just stupid
I really wish Tomino would do a compilation movie that removes the shitty comedy episodes and leave the good stuff.
2nd half ZZ is top-tier Gundam.
The ZZ got a bad rep because Judau was a complete shitter and made the suit seem like crap.
In the fight before the final battle, Kamille had little to no experience fighting opponents with funnels and Haman was using every trick up her sleeve to try and kill Kamille but he still nearly bisected her.
In the final battle, Judau, despite having the Enhanced ZZ, Haman still using the same older model Quebely she fought Kamille with and Haman holding back on her funnels because she wanted Judau to dick her, got his suit wrecked and just barely won because Kamille skype called a bunch of newtypes to defend him from Haman when his dumbass was reforming the ZZ.
Everything in ZZ felt like such a downgrade compared to Zeta. The final encounter was the enemy wiping itself out while Haman had a conniption and killed herself, it felt so fricking pointless for the protagonists to even get involved.
I believe Tomino wanted to take a break after Zeta. But Bandai greenlit another Gundam show (without consulting Tomino), and only informed him after the decision was already made. So Tomino and his staff had to get to work on ZZ while still working on Zeta. Bandai threw Tomino a bone to keep him from leaving. They eventually approved Tomino's Char's Counterattack film. Tomino loves directing films, and it's his passion. TV shows is just for paying the bills. Tomino absolutely loved working on CCA and its one of his favorite projects.
If you look at several interviews about Tomino, he talks about how he was overworked during the 80s and early 90s. He disliked how Bandai and Sunrise kept milking Gundam, and wanted them to experiment and to develop entirely new franchises. Tomino never wrote 0079 Gundam in such a way to be endlessly continued with sequels. It was supposed to end with CCA. Tomino wanted them to not rely on Gundam constantly.
Tomino didn't say no to more Gundam work (he knew what it was like to not have money), and took on ZZ Gundam. The reality is that Tomino had 2 daughters and he was sending them to nice schools and private colleges. His daughter even studied overseas I believe. That wasn't cheap. So Tomino basically worked himself tirelessly to make sure his family was provided for. He knew that the good times don't always last and he had to take advantage of opportunities while he could. Unfortunately this overwork led to depression in later years.
Episode 1 of ZZ came right after theblast episode of zeta. Dumbass. Just accept that tomino made a shitty show
did you not read the part where he said
>So Tomino and his staff had to get to work on ZZ while still working on Zeta
So? Tomino was working back to back for years at that point
Episode 0 you mean.
Jupiter looks sunnier than I thought it would.
>retconned out of canon
KYS
this picture is absolutely correct and you're a homosexual
Well, Gundam movies aren't canon for discarding G-Fighter then.
gundam movies absolutely are not cannon and g-fighter isn't even in the top things they fricked up. complete garbage.
>gundam movies absolutely are not cannon
Why do we see Hayato's Guncannon in Zeta then
Because Zeta isn't canon either.
Ah yes, Hayato's Guncannon.
The Guncannon belongs to Hayato.
The Gunacnnon that got blown the hell up at A Baoa Qu. That Guncannon.
If Methuss can get blown up and randomly show up later, so can Guncannon.
Feddies made several Guncannons, the Guncannon we see in Zeta was not THE Guncannon Hayato piloted on A Baoa Qu.
The question is why they never made Guncannon Mk-II, Zeta Guncannon, ZZ Guncannon, etc.
Imagine Kai in Nu Guncannon kicking ass in CCA.
moron.
There's nothing moronic about it.
Gundam, Guncannon and Guntank all were heroes and deserve proper respect.
Because heavy artillery is kind of pointless when the conflict is taking part in space and Karaba had Guncannon Detectors
Make it laser cannons or something.
SNRI figured that out eventually.
Because they made the GM Cannon instead.
That's a mass-produced Guncannon, like GM is a mass-produced Gundam.
Hayato's number was 109.
Too heavy and slow. Judau got lucky and didn't fight anyone on the same level Kamile fought.
Judau + ZZ would get reckt by Kamile + Z.
>Too heavy and slow.
It was anything but. The ZZ Gundam's thruster power was only slight lower than that of the Zeta Gundam. During the show itself it's shown capable of blitzing past enemy lines during certain fights and shown capable of tanking beam attacks too.
>Judau + ZZ would get reckt by Kamile + Z.
Nah. Haman had no issue fighting Kamille whereas Judau managed to scare the shit out of her through Newtype power alone. He also lasted 70 years whereas Kamille barely lasted one year before being sent straight into a coma and retired soon after.
>Judau managed to scare the shit out of her through Newtype power alone
ZZgays and their fanfic tier plots
>It was anything but. The ZZ Gundam's thruster power was only slight lower than that of the Zeta Gundam. During the show itself it's shown capable of blitzing past enemy lines during certain fights and shown capable of tanking beam attacks too.
Were aren't just talking raw thruster power. The whole thing is way too bulky and needlessly complex with the core block system which had been retired many years before ZZ. There was no need to bring it back.
Also there were many times were ZZ took a direct beam hit (even to the core fighter) and suffered no damage. Pure plot armor.
Core Block makes all the sense in the era of transforming mobile suits.
Zeta is unironically more complex than ZZ.
Core block isn't transformation. It's combination.
The reason it was retired was because it was very complex, expensive, and weakened the frame of the mobile suit. ZZ did not need such a pointless system. It was a gimmick to make the ZZ look better than it actually was.
>The reason it was retired was because it was very complex, expensive, and weakened the frame of the mobile suit
But enough about Zeta's transformation system that got swapped for Methuss' as soon as feds got fed up with it.
Core Block continued to see usage in Unicorn time, F91 time, Victory time, Correct Century and even beyond that in Regild Century
Reason I even talked about transformation is the G-Fortress mode of ZZ Gundam. There's no real reason not to use Core Block if you're going for a complex transformation that would weaken the frame of the mobile suit.
>Unicorn time, F91 time, Victory time, Correct Century and even beyond that in Regild Century
vast majority of which are far simpler than Gundam's and ZZ's, with only just a core fighter attaching and detaching from the suit which doesn't otherwise separate. Main exception is Victory, where the machine is built entirely around it and doesn't have any other gimmicks relying on moving the frame.
The problem is that outside of Victory, it sees very little usage. You're basically cherry-picking prototype MS here and there and saying "see it's not retired" when for every MS that does feature a core fighter there's easily a thousand or even five thousand other MS at the time that don't have core fighters.
>Core Block continued to see usage in Unicorn time
Narrative was the only prototype suit during that time that had it.
>F91 time
I have no idea which suit you're talking about in F91 that has a core block.
>Victory time
The Victories had it, and that's about it. Zanscare have modular MS but those are not core blocks, they have ejection pods but not a core fighter.
>Correct Century
The wienerpit is an escape fighter but the Turn A's body doesn't separate into modular halves and the "core" fighter doesn't even form the core of the MS. It's literally just an externalized wienerpit mounted to the waist. Hell, for a bunch of episodes where the Turn A and core fighter were separated, they actually did just mount a replacement external wienerpit on it. Gundam wiki is absolutely moronic for even suggesting that the Turn X is a core block style MS when it's just a detachable head wienerpit.
>and even beyond that in Regild Century
Ehh, kind of questionable. It does fit into the chest extremely similarly to the Victory, but the body is not modular and doesn't split apart for the core block fighter. It's like the panoramic wienerpit escape pods common to most early UC MS except it has wings, engines, and can move around decently on its own.
>I have no idea which suit you're talking about in F91 that has a core block.
Silhouette Formula stuff and Crossbone.
importing the concept of "canon" was the worst thing to ever happen to fiction
zoomers in 20 years when their kid misbehaves: "you are no longer canon to this family"
Full Armor ZZ is my favorite gundam design, ZZ is my favorite gundam. There are more of us than you think. We like the chunky look and the high mega cannon (forehead laser). We like the transformation, we like giga chad Judau. We like that it's unique and kinda goofy. Grow up and just like what you like, there's no point in shitting on stuff.
>Full Armor ZZ is my favorite gundam design, ZZ is my favorite gundam. There are more of us than you think. We like the chunky look and the high mega cannon (forehead laser). We like the transformation, we like giga chad Judau. We like that it's unique and kinda goofy. Grow up and just like what you like, there's no point in shitting on stuff.
You dropped this, King.
>We like the chunky look and the high mega cannon (forehead laser).
Even this the Zeta does it better.
I disagree. ZZ's strong squared facial features work better than the pointy yaoi chin of the zeta styled suits for that sort of thing.
FAZZed and Judaupilled!
Refined ZZ
I like how Judau constantly just uses the Zeta instead.
No judau was just busy fighting the eternal war in his proto-gump
You Gundamgays need to stop pushing these dumb headcanons and go get some b***hes.
The original Gundam anime stands on its own continuity while the sequels follow the movie trilogy as show in things like the core-booster appearing in char's flashback in char's counterattack instead of the g-fighter.
Imagine thinking ANT has had any effect on things besides Kamille sometimes shouting BEAM CONFUSE.
>besides Kamille sometimes shouting BEAM CONFUSE.
Wait, it's from ANT?
I HATE IT
BIIMU KONFYUZU!
Speaking of ZZ, Kazuki Yao just did promo for the OL Haman manga and he's too old to do Judau's voice anymore
just in time for Grandpa Jupiter
I'm ready!
Yeah, he was already getting grating in SRW.
Meanwhile Toru Furuya is still killing it despite being 5 years older.
>all that gay shit
Gundam has fallen
Why did they never tell us what happened to Kamile post-ZZ?
Amuro's ghost appeared from time to time
Old Judau got two mangas
Seabok got Crossbone
Kamile got nothing beside a non-canon cameo
Tomino absolutely hates revisiting old MCs and would never stoop to that level of fanservice. Amuro at most got a supporting role in Zeta and was absent in ZZ, and Kamille was basically out of it for most of ZZ bar one major episode.
>Tomino absolutely hates revisiting old MCs
Char and Bright
That's less revisiting and more continuing those character's stories because he's not done with them yet. F91 and Victory were both 30 year jumps ahead of the last time Tomino worked on UC, I thought the point of it was to move on ahead with new characters, setting, story etc, rather than specifically creating an opportunity to have old characters show up in their 50s and 80s.
MCs, you moron
char is only a mc in CCA
and bright is an mc never
>char is only a mc in CCA
>and bright is an mc never
Watch Zeta you underage non-watcher homosexual
literally REwatched it last week and you're a moron.
learn what main character means.
>main characters can't be more than one
Brainlet.
Quattro had bigger role than Kamille in 2nd half, and he was the main enemy of Haman and Scirocco.
Bright was there the whole time.
Kamille was trying to save as many characters while arguing with them on how to do things
none of this matters
kamille is the main character of zeta, char is secondary/tertiary and bright is support cast.
In the bigger picture, Zeta is a support character for Amuro-Char grand story.
both characters saw themselves in him, Char had hope for humanity in Kamille and he's one of the reasons he lost hope in humanity after he saw how AEUG took advantage of him only for him to lose his mind.
you don't need to come up with meta excuses for why you can't figure out what "main character" of a show means.
may as well say char is the main character of ZZ cause he's in the OP.
>may as well say char is the main character of ZZ cause he's in the OP.
Char was originally going to be a major part of ZZ before CCA was approved.
stop being an annoying newbie and go back to /u/
I don't care about your what iffs
open a dictionary and stop doubling down on being wrong.
take your own advice and learn what "main cast" means.
I bet you moron think only Ryoma is the main character of Getter Robo series while Hayato and Musashi are secondaries
>learn what "main cast" means.
something that the conversation was not about.
put your glasses on next time.
Char is on the cover of Zeta novels. this is your "secondary" character.
cope and dilate, stupid shitter
>novels
more off topic "reasons" you can muster to convince yourself, instead if accepting that youre wrong?
>NOOOOO NOVELS BY TOMINO HIMSELF DON'T COUNT BECAUSE.... BECAUSE... B-BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!!!!!
GO
BACK
TO
/u/
I don't know what /u/ has to do with this but pay attention to the conversation you're barging into next time, moron-kun, as novels had nothing to do with it.
maybe you should go back to redit or discord or whatever hugbox you crawled out of, clearly never having your moronation questioned.
nice way to dodge the argument and spam ad hominem child-tier cope
what argument? you didn't put any forward.
comprehend that you misunderstand the terms, and the topic of the conversation already.
Bright is less of a character in Zeta than even in ZZ.
Shut the frick up moron.
Nah, frick that.
>Kamile got nothing beside a non-canon cameo
He regained his sanity and retired to live like a civilian, there's nothing to tell about him anymore. Amuro, Judau and Seabook on the other hand never stopped being badass pilots, it's only natural an author would be more willing to create other stories about them
Amuro, Judau and Seabrook all became civilians too, until a creator wanted to do something more with them and then they weren't anymore. The same creator in the case of both Judau and Seabook.
>Amuro became civilian
He was a prisoner.
In the beginning of Zeta, not at the end of 0079 or even the end of Zeta. He was a soldier at the start of Zeta, or at least last we see of him in Zeta, with nothing to imply that was going to change. He's press ganged into service in 0079 and is fed up with soldiering and suffering obvious PTSD throughout 0079 though, which implies he stops when given the chance with the war over.
Amuro was still a part of the Federation when we first see him in Zeta. Not only does he mention that he has to watch over the youngsters at Cheyenne (paraphrased), which we know is the location of Federation base, but he's literally wearing a Federation uniform.
Of course, he's also still a prisoner of the Federation. But he was never a civilian.
And you're still using the start of a sequel to talk about characters besides Kamille. There is no sequel establishing he became a civilian. Not even ZZ really established that; only that Fa took him away from the Argama for health reasons. You are just assuming he stays a civilian post ZZ, but the same could be said of Amuro, Judau or Seabook. Until they weren't thanks to sequels. Shit, the end of ZZ does establish that Judau left AEUG and became a civilian, and then a manga established that he kept fighting privately. So who's to say someone won't do the same with Kamille at some point?
All of them were still pilots when their creator Tomino finished with them. and that's all that really matters
I hope he doesn't have any serious health issues. It's hard to look at the guy after she shriveled up into a tiny Japanese man.
Now I'm just wondering what a Re-GZZ would look like
Some kind of giant BWS that fires a High-Mega Cannon that then splits off into mobile suit form to pick off the stragglers sounds kind of cool
>ZZ does establish that Judau left AEUG and became a civilian
oh yes, the typical civilian salute
Yes? Civilians are capable of doing salutes too, which makes sense to do with former comrades in a militia. Are you really trying to argue that Judau, the guy who hated being forced into a war more than any of Tomino's other protagonists, was happy to stay in that militia in the end? Despite the entire point of the finale being that he was so fed up with the Federation and it's hypocrisy and laziness that he literally left their entire sphere of influence to go to Jupiter on a civilian ship that'd take literal years just to make the round trip as established in that scene (3 years round trip if he doesn't like it there). A trip he talks as if he's content to stay there even if it means separating from his sister after finding out she's alive.
In universe, feds are cheapskates and between all of its arsenal plus the parts for combining, the ZZ is just too expensive and they wouldn't really need an MS so expensive with that much firepower to deal with zeek remnants.
IRL I think the ZZ is a bit unpopular compared to grandpa, Nu or Zeta, so Bandai doesn't really have any reason to reiterate on it
I'm more of a tangerine person.
clearly that's a flat pumpkin
Finally, a rugby Ball!
It's called a foot Ball in America.
In an emergency, it can be used as a floatation device.