Return of the Jedi is better than Empire Strikes Back
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Return of the Jedi is better than Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi is better than Empire Strikes Back
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Lets not go crazy here OP. Its definitely better than ANH, but idk about ESB.
>man-eating teddy bear vietcong
your point?
The Vietcong lost the war, it was the NVA that rolled in after they were beaten.
Yes the carnivorous terrors that fed the Imperials to the Rebels at the victory celebration.
Which made zero sense. The space teddies were technologically inferior to the Empire, but Lucas wanted to sell toys instead of writing a compelling story.
>the technologically inferior locals of this savage uncivilized environment could surely never stand a chance against a technologically superior, well funded, well organized occupying force
ewoks are based
they are the single biggest pleb filter in all of star wars, if a person dislikes ewoks you know instantly that they're a shit taste moron and to dismiss all their star wars opinions because they are guaranteed to be bad ones
Nah.
yes, its the best star wars movie alongside revenge of the sith
If anyone were to genuinely believe this, then it'd be up there with the most moronic opinions you can have regarding movies.
Correct.
Back to rddit homosexual, chop chop
All of the prequels are shit and always will be.
ROTS is terrible.
>the first hour of absolutely fricking nothing
the first hour is exciting as frick with jabba's palace and then the mos eisley duel and escape
Rancor made my childhood
The Tatooine sequence begins at exactly minute 5:00 and ends at exactly 37:06. 32 minutes of a 2 hour movie. 1/4 of the film. And RLMgays have had everybody thinking the sky isn't blue and water isn't wet for YEARS.
>BAIT!
Say, Sport, why don't you EXPLAIN why you think so
Alright.
The Jabba's palace scene with prime bikini Leia, the rancor fight with Luke, the mos eisley lightsaber duel and escape, the scene with yoda and obi wan and luke, the chase in the forest on speederbikes exciting, Luke's evolving relationship with his now confirmed sister, confronting Vader and redeeming his father with the best lightsaber climatic duel ever, the epic best space battle between the rebels ansd the death star and destroyers, the comfy reunion ending.
Those are the reasons why it's better. ESB is just slow, dull and melodramatic darkness for the sake of darkness. ROJ is fun, thrilling and takes itself seriously, but not too seriously, in order to let you enjoy it.
>the mos eisley lightsaber duel
Have you even seen the film?
>It's got SCENES!
Okay you lazy frick, HOW does name dropping scenes make them better than ESB's scenes? And Luke reaching out to Leia to rescue him on Bespin was superior to every scene they share in ROTJ.
Very lazy explanation and you got critical facts totally wrong. Bait.
The redemption of Darth Vader is what makes the movie.
If you can't see how that's better than anything in ESB then you're an idiot.
ESB supremacists judge the merits of that film with the foreknowledge of what came after. Empire simply doesn't work without the development of Return; every plot twist it introduces is only answered in the final movie, but plebbitors that have watched ROTJ mentally insert the lore knowledge they have gained from that movie into Empire when watching it, and use that to justify it as the greatest, when in fact it depends entirely on ROTJ's narrative support. If you take ESB on its own merits, it's rather dismal in its vague and noncommittal mystery boxes, which would otherwise have been pilloried the same way as JJ Abrams' were in the sequel trilogy, if they had not been successfully resolved by a talent like Lucas. (though not to the same extent - do not mistake me as likening the films that seriously, because that would be foolishness to compare ESB directly to TFA)
>ESB supremacists judge the merits of that film with the foreknowledge of what came after.
Nah. I think it's clearly the best of the three for a number of reasons. Its one "mystery box" ("There is another...") is one place ROTJ completely drops the fricking ball.
It has higher highs than Empire but the lows are too low.
A New Hope is the best as a complete movie, anyone that says otherwise is seeing the OT as one big movie
That's how i felt about it when i was a kid, then i was told I'm not supposed to like it because ewoks and ???
the entire jabba the hut tattooine sequence is the most iconic segment in star wars outside of vader scenes, and of course the final fight is the ultimate climax of the franchise
Yeah but the problem is everything between those scenes (except the speeder bike chase)
Also Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher being too coked up to actually emote really, really ruins their romance subplot
I agree. And the Ewoks were fun. I don’t know why Star Wars gays act like storm troopers up to that point had ever been shown to be competent let alone some elite special forces badasses that could never have lost to Ewoks.
ROTJ is kino from start to finish and im tired of pretending its not
Nope.
The original Clone Wars is better than The Clone Wars (2008).
Checked and correct
Absolutely correct opinion.
Clone Wars (2003) ran a marathon so that Clone Wars (2008) could stumble and fall over itself over and over again like a blind moron.
Really my issue with 08 clone wars wasn't ashoka tho I wish she was Plo Koon apprentice than Anakin, there many issues with 08 especially with Anakin looking older and having a different personality. The biggest issue in my opinion is they made the clones overly good and seps evil where the point was there were heroes and villains in both sides and both sides did horrid crimes. It was suppose to show the darkness of Republic and the other side of the separatist. But the worse offensive to me was Filoni refuse to have Clones choose to kill the Jedi. He couldn't just let them kill the Jedi willingly not because they're evil but because they honestly believe they were fighting for the republic and the Jedi betray the republic.
He couldn't have Rex ignore Order 66 and have to fight with his fellow kin because they choose to follow it. It would have been a more tragedy if Jesse and all those clones that fought with Ashoka and Rex choose to be loyal to the Republic over them or maybe have both her team of clones choosing to betray the order and have to fight with other clones who do not know their experience.
That to me more than him elevating Ashoka as a main character than she actually is, or the retcons in his show was worse.
>But the worse offensive to me was Filoni refuse to have Clones choose to kill the Jedi. He couldn't just let them kill the Jedi willingly not because they're evil but because they honestly believe they were fighting for the republic and the Jedi betray the republic.
the clones never CHOSE to kill the jedi
in the movies, years before the brainchip, they act like normal humans with distinct personalities - look at Oddball and Cody's banter with Obi-wan for example - but then all of a sudden as soon Sheev goes "eggsegute order siggsdy siggs :DDD" they begin to talk robotically and in the space of a second completely reverse personalities, turning on their friends and acting just like droids, which is exactly the great tragedy: the evil Sith Lord Palpatine created Man and turned him into a Machine, used him up and threw him out, in a profound satanic allegory
The order was part 120 contingency codes that both the Jedi and government knew. That's what makes it so ingenus cause Palpatine used the law against the Republic and Jedi and it was all legal. Cody in clone wars 03 and legends and film is different from the one in 08. It was based on the fact clones thought Jedi betray the Republic so they follow it.
My biggest issue was that TCW was a waste of a Star Wars cartoon.
It was supposed to be a continuation of the 03 miniseries, but then it became its own thing that did its own thing contradictory to what's been established for years, all while trying to cram in a completely new character that nobody asked for and wasted time developing her, while taking away from the important characters that are actually in the films.
And the setting for it all was just played out. We had just got done with the clone wars in the EU and had that wrapped up nicely with RotS, there was no actual need to go back continue it.
They should have made the cartoon about Anakin and Obi-Wan's adventures between TPM and AotC, that way you can actually showcase Anakin's troubles with the Jedi order properly instead of getting something like TCW trying to juggle everything at once and feeling bloated.
>It was supposed to be a continuation of the 03 miniseries
How? Unless they were doing Rebels with Genndy style, it led up to the ROTS, there was no way to continue it other than post ROTS and adapting legends novels in tv.
IIRC the TCW film treated the audience as if they already were supposed to know who Ventress was.
The brain chips or something are fine. It makes sense that Palpatine would put a fail safe in place to assure their loyalty to him.
The problem is Filoni's aversion to poetic tragedy and allowing characters he likes to do evil. It is a great tragedy to have friends turn upon friends with no choice in the matter. It is even more tragic if you have spent a great amount of time showing how great of friends they are. Instead the amount of clones who didn't follow order 66 and had the chip removed rises by the day. Hell they have apparently even tried to rehabilitate Cody.
>The brain chips or something are fine. It makes sense that Palpatine would put a fail safe in place to assure their loyalty to him.
All it takes is one republican surgeon or a Jedi medic to x ray them during a battle and his entire plan will fall apart. In fact near the end of the series it's been establish the Jedi is aware that the clones were created by Count Dooku which is major contradiction and prove that the Sith Lord is part of the Republican government.
So even if you are to accept the chips, the fact they are aware that clones were create by the Sith and they done nothing shows that they allow themselves to be killed to make it sense.
Nah, the brain chips always felt insecure coming from Sheev.
Like there's no confidence that he can assure victory in his master plan through playing politics, abusing loopholes and pulling strings to where it's just the natural order of things that what he says goes. It's not very conniving when you're playing chess always in checkmate against your foe and you just have an "I win" button you can press any time.
>It's not very conniving when you're playing chess always in checkmate against your foe and you just have an "I win" button you can press any time.
It isn't an "I win" button because you need to have the appropriate moment and time to activate it in the first place or else you don't have the power you need or you aren't able to hold onto the power after the fact. The Clone Wars actually did a really good job of this showing Sheev gradually taking full ownership over banking matters and other formerly private enterprises to secure his status.
The chip is a little lazy but if you need an easy explanation for why all the good guys are now bad it functions. The bigger issue is still the amount of "nuUHHH my fursonna clone Wolf dindu nothing" that pervades as opposed to letting the clones, chips or not, be tragic tools in Palpatine's plan who turn upon their friends and usher in an age of darkness.
>It is a great tragedy to have friends turn upon friends with no choice in the matter.
No it's greater for them to turn upon them based on circumstance or conscious premediated choice.
>It is even more tragic if you have spent a great amount of time showing how great of friends
And despite that they chose to follow their orders and shoot their fellow friends.
The CWMMP did try to keep continuity with the tone of the prequels and it was better for it.
It was great watching Anakin actually get development and grow out of his moody AotC self into his RotS self.
Ewoks and the first hour ruined RoTJ. ESB is the best of the OG trilogy either way.
I like the jungle party song at the end where obiwan Yoda and Anakin appear in their transfigured forms
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New Hope is the only star war movie
No.
The opening act at Jabba's Palace, while very enjoyable, feels completely detached from the second half of the movie both tonally and in plot. Then you have the the landing on Endor, speeder chase and meeting the Ewoks all of which drag on in what is actually just the California redwoods. The battle for the shield bunker is also rather dull. No character who takes up any amount of screen time goes through an arc besides Luke.
That all said, Luke carries the movie and the final battle against Vader is the peak of Star Wars.
>No character who takes up any amount of screen time goes through an arc besides Luke.
completely moronic take, you have to be blind and deaf not to be able to witness Leia and Han's character arcs develop
for example
>Han spends the past 2 movies being a selfish cad
>after being released from carbonite he expresses surprise that anyone came back for him, that people care enough to put their lives at risk for his own
>he begins to mature emotionally, taking the responsibility for the Endor strike team into his own hands, willing to sacrifice his life for a cause rather than cash
>when he thinks Leia and Luke are growing romantically involved, he stands down, thinking that HE is the third wheel, completely discarding self for pure altruistic love of his best friend and his beloved without a second thought for his own desires
Even women can grasp this, imagine being dumber at movie-watching than a fricking woman
While this is all technically true about Han, Harrison Ford phoned in his performance harder than he ever has (except maybe for the Blade Runner voice overs). Ruined his entire character for the movie by acting like a bumbling moron half the time.
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Han was the weakest part of RotJ.
That is Han Solo's character arc throughout the entire trilogy but that arc is completed by the 35 minute mark in RotJ and arguably even sooner. For the rest of the movie he just stands around as a set piece giving a few quips. Everything you list is the result of his character arc being completed not of him going through a dynamic change in RotJ itself.
it's literally not completed until the very last line of the film, when Leia tells him Luke is her brother, and his reward for giving up his self-serving nature is getting the girl
then the X-wings do fireworks above Endor and Luke burns Vader's armor on the pyre and they do the celebration across the galaxy and the force ghosts appear and smile
That could be meaningful if we didn't find out Luke and Leia are related 90 minutes earlier in the movie which completely removes any debate as to who Leia ends up with and in every scene they have together Han and Leia are written, appearing and acting like an established couple. Even their fight on the Ewok bridge after Luke leaves is written and acted like a jealous boyfriend unhappy his girlfriend shared a moment with her ex. Han starts the movie as a reformed smuggler who works with his friends in the rebellion for the greater good and end the movie a reformed smuggler who works with his friends in the rebellion for the greater good. Besides being unfrozen from carbonite his world view and position in the world remain unchanged from start to end. You can't invent character development out of nothing.
No.
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And the prequels are better than the Kathleen Kennedy/Disney sequels!
Based, I completely agree with you. Return Of The Jedi is my most favourite Star Wars movie of all time and always will be. I even unironically love the Ewoks. And seeing Anakin redeem himself by sacrificing his own life to save his son is pure Kino. In my eyes, only the first six Star Wars movie are canon and Return Of The Jedi is the perfect ending to a perfect duo of trilogies.
*first six Star Wars movies