Rewatched it and it was better than I thought it would be. Which raises a point, Nolan really fell off a cliff, didn't he?
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Rewatched it and it was better than I thought it would be.
>Nolan really fell off a cliff, didn't he?
Yes, inception was his last actually good movie
How? Tenet and Oppenheimer are ions ahead
>Chris posts on Cinemaphile
>ions
>nolan pretending gays kissing is so normal that it actually helps you blend in
pozzed trash
>Stars in a movie about planting manipulative ideas in people's heads
>Allows a group of insane manipulative perverts to plant an idea in her head irl
Bravo Nolan
>mfw inception was actually a documentary
>muh dream about robbing oh look dead wife noooooooooo
Im just going to say this: The Prestige is his best movie.
everything nolan made was god tier until tenet. he didn't fall off a cliff, i think more like pushed off of it by producers trying to get him to bend the knee to woke politics. tenet and oppenheimer seem like a result of compromise where he agrees to keep absolutely terrible casting choices like the uncharismatic protagonist of tenet or florence poo
TDKR was shit and hampered by Heath Ledger's death
Interstellar is great but it's really hard to ignore the massive pretty much literal deus ex machina that resolves the story
Tenet has a couple of issues that undermine its own gimmick a bit but doesn't have any plot holes and is much better than seething midwits made it out to be, a really wonderfully strange movie
I honestly think his best films are:
Memento
The Dark Knight (his best 'popular entertainment' movie)
Oppenheimer
Not necessarily in that order. Memento has a fun gimmick sure but its depiction of the psychology of living with a brain injury and its effect on identity and relationships is the real, brutal heart of it and done better than any Oscarbait drama on similar topics I've seen. Going back to it nowadays I'm even more impressed than I was at the time.
>Tenet
It's just fricking boring. The action sucks, the acting sucks, the sets suck, etc.
You're boring
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>i think more like pushed off of it by producers trying to get him to bend the knee to woke politics.
Nolan was always a Glowie.
Tenet was not ruined by it's casting, but its lacklaster finale. The movie became too predictable for the last 40 minutes. On top of that, the final set piece makes no sense. It was just an excuse for some cool looking effects. The movie should have ended at the 90 minute mark, but it has a whole hour after that.
I feel like lines in Tenet like " I am the protagonist" are slights at the studio. Tenet was not ready, but he was contracted to make something. So he gave them a rushed film. Though, its wild supposedly he worked on it for 5 years..... still, seems like it wasn't ready and the need for WB to have these big projects made him make it before he was ready to.
there certainly were larger problems with the film than its casting, but if they had a better lead it would have been received better i think. maybe the difference between 2 stars and 3 stars.
>I feel like lines in Tenet like " I am the protagonist" are slights at the studio.
This could be, but I always thought that the name thing was part of the script by intent. It seems like Nolan was trying to make a meta movie where instead of thinking about the characters and putting yourself in their shoes, instead you're thinking about the narrative structure, scene composition etc.
yea, but it just comes off as lazy. Instead of world building more and trying to create another "Inception" so to speak, he's given the studio nothing. WB wants franchises, they want batman and matrix movies and nolan intentionally does't give it to them. As much as we all love TDKR and Bane posting, I still wish Nolan stepped away after TDK. His friend died, he didn't need to make a 3rd one, let someone else do it. He came back to end the series that didnt need to end.
For a guy in a rubber suit pretending to be a bat, its a surprisingly angry film under the surface. I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing but its interesting for that I think.
In general I'd rather see Nolan try something and fail than most people's successes.
>In general I'd rather see Nolan try something and fail than most people's successes.
I do agree with that, outside of Nolan too. I don't hate TDKR, I think it's as good as Begins and TDK is just so damn good. I feel the same way about other capeshit for sure. I prefer intentional choices over Hollywood says people like this, so do it. Nolan isn't always my cup of tea, but at least he is trying to do something.
the only problem with tdkr is that it was too long and the intro (while amazing and the scene that launched a thousand memes) doesn't fit with the style of the rest of the movie. the first act is an hour long and should have been about 30 minutes long.
that said, i love tdkr. what I like are the characterization of retired batman coming out to fight crime "one more time", i love hathaway's incredible body in the leather catwoman suit, i love her motorcycle too, love the flying batship thing, love the film grain/quality and also think it's a perfect ending to the batman trilogy. really great payoff for the whole trilogy
>I prefer intentional choices over hollywood says people like this, so do it.
Definitely agreed. My go to example and bait is the star wars prequels. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of things to criticize those movies over but "George Lucas didn't really want to make them and had an idea of what they should be before production started" is not one. Can't say the same thing about certain other movies from that franchise, and the difference is readily apparent when watching them
Yea and episode 2, for all it's faults, the finale at least makes sense. There's a collective senate, and the bad guys have been convincing planets to leave and help build a droid army. The jedi, a small police force investigates and tries to stop this, they are losing and they have to make use a clone army to drop the droids. It leads to all out war.
Ep 7 8 and 9, they fight just cause. Lucas at least very much understood timelines, events and how to create those bullet points. The ever growing need to be appealing to the masses is making movies just so flat.
>yea, but it just comes off as lazy.
agreed, this is why i think either nolan stopped trying because he knew he had a dud on his hands or possibly they just rushed the movie out to save theaters during covid. i remember they were filming it when the pandemic started and were lucky to have finished the movie
This I think. Also in terms of being the causal prime mover, which as a plot point he is even when he appears not to be (if you see what I mean).
this post actually makes me appreciate tenet a little more
I think what Nolan is actually calling attention to by calling JDW the Protagonist is that he's a protagonist but not a hero. He dooms the future humans to a future ruined by the climate change his generations perpetuated but because the movie's from his perspective, he's the good guy. I think the inherent subjectivity of human conflict is part of the movie's themes and that it's called Tenet because the protagonists of the story 'have' to have faith that what they are doing is righteous.
The finale makes sense (though I agree the scale is too small to be impressive) it's just a deterministic hell. Tenet and Oppenheimer are both existential horror movies but at least the latter remembers to be fun.
Memento is his only 'good' film.
Oppenheimer was alright.
Everything else just ranges from capeshit to pseudo-capeshit.
it's such a plot hole that they can bend cities and conjure weapons lol and i like the movie a lot but those things shoudln't have been introduced
The biggest plot hole is the idea of shared dreaming. Yeah, just hook yourself on the magic infusion and you can get into the same dream.
Its necessary because its the audience's experience itself.
Shared dreaming is explained as some advanced technology and needed for the plot. This is like saying Star Trek has a plot hole because the ships can go FTL
people that take psychedelics in a group (mushrooms, LSD) or deliriants like datura sometimes report seeing the same hallucination
the schizo rabbit hole goes deeper if you really want to go technical about it
don't get me started on precognitive dreams and deja vu
What is seeing a film in a theatre with other people if not a shared dream. He's talking about himself and film itself, as usual.
They make it pretty clear that they shouldn't do stuff like this too often. That making people aware of the strangeness of the dream can ruin what they're doing. They intentionally call attention to it in the movie to try to get around the dream defense Fischer has.
nolan is only good for a few scenes that is heavily supported by hans zimmer
Reflexive films about film making. In Inception is obviously explicit, the auteur whose obsessions threaten to destroy the project, the producer, the set designer, the money man, etc. Yes time moves slowly in 'development hell', hahaha. Film makers make dreams.
The Prestige is good but ultimately the twist is insufferable (hahaha, I Christopher Nolan, lied to you because film making is illusion and magic).
Its cool he still finds it amazing that a real time linear medium can tell non-liner non-real time stories but its ultimately a technical premise driving the film rather than an emotional one.
Obviously the heist convention that the climax is simultaneous actions that have been introduced to the viewer linearly one after another but somehow in their minds occur at the same time.
I guess the real heist was of the audience's minds (...hahaha, by I, Christopher Nolan, maker of films).
I liked Tenet but its like he's ticking off a cell in a matrix of possibilities.
the tenet concept was great and has better potential. best part of the movie were the car chases with cars going forward and reverse
I was die hard Nolan lover until Dunkirk. The nonlinear story telling in that pissed me off. Hans Zimmer goes hard though. I love flying in video games to the score of Dunkirk.
Robert Patterson is a complete babe in Tenet. I'm not gay.
>actual movie stars when they weren't in their 60's shitting their pants, or became trannies cutting their breasts off
>tasteful, high production value
>no twerk-tier Black person shit, no politics whatsoever
>cool, unique premise that makes for a good summer blockbuster you would want to see in a cinema
they really don't make them like they used to
After 45 minutes of Inception I realised that Nolan cannot write or direct.
What I've seen:
>Batman Begins
Kino
>The Dark Knight
Good
>Inception
Mediocre at best, did not like or buy
>Dark Knight Rises
Lots to like and lots to hate; I prefer the Snyder trilogy as a follow up to the previous two Batmans he did than this movie even though they are completely different
>Interstellar
While some of the visuals and individual scenes were great and the concept was no bore, ultimately it is a fairy tale for children and I felt too old for it when I watched it. Would be great as a gift for a girl.
>Dunkirk
Somewhat interesting ideas but I didn't like the pacing and structure.
>Oppenheimer
Classic, probably his best film.
What else should I try? Oppenheimer was really a make-or-break for my opinion of Nolan; if I didn't like it I just wouldn't bother with him anymore. Should I try The Prestige, or is there something else I should watch?
You should watch The Prestige (ASAP before everything about it is ruined for you) and Memento.
>Would be great as a gift for a girl.
The working title was Flora's Letter after one of Nolan's daughters, you hit the nail on the head. It's an optimistic fairy tale about where Nolan would like humanity to go at best, transhumanist future (humanity seemingly beating heat death, the modern existential fear, by transcending dimensions) brought about by replacing religion with science and raw individualism with individualism-collectivism balance. Bit naïve maybe but it's nice as a kid's (like, 12-13 age range) film.
How the hell is that a kid's movie? It's so sad
And most sci-fi is either too optimistic or too pessimistic so I don't see the problem
Memento is his main other film on the level of Oppenheimer, more of an austere an dialed back approach than his blockbusters, coming from the fact it was so early in his career he didn't have the clout to 'be Nolan' yet so you get that modernist-Gothic streak that makes the mood of his films unique but without the feeling of him having settled into a comfortable stylistic rut like some of his Dark Knight-Tenet run.
Why does tv hate Interstellar so much?
It's my favorite of his movies
i agree about interstellar. not sure why it gets a bad wrap. i think an argument can be made that its not only his most ambitious film, but his most technically brilliant. instead of doing fancy footwork in the editing booth, interstellar is full of grand sci-fi concepts and practical special effects. the external shots of the spacecraft flying are some of the coolest shots of all time, not to mention the water planet waves
Does anyone know what happened to Ariadne's actress? I haven't seen her in many films recently, she was really cute in this.