Killmonger didn't do bad things because he was "evil" in the comics though. His motive was that his life was ruined because T'Challa's dad fricked up and trusted Klaw, so Killmonger devoted himself to destroying the monarchy and ending Wakanda's isolation, because he genuinely believed that would be better for his estranged country. He was always a "had good intentions" villain.
outside of Venomm(a different older character than Venom), no and even then he just used Venomm's infatuation with him to use him as soldier in his revolutionary army
In a way, it's backwards with Killmonger. In the comics, he cares about Wakanda and hates T'Challa and the monarchy. In the movie, he could not give a frick about the country beyond the weapons.
It still boggles my mind that there were people walking about going "KILLMONGER WAS RIGHT!" while ignoring that the movie beat us over the head with the fact that Killmonger didn't give a frick about his people, his followers, or any of the stuff he gave speeches about. He cared about revenge for his dead daddy.
But, that's what he's doing. Asking other people for information is part of doing research. That's why detectives talk to witnesses.
Also this is a forum. We discuss things on a forum.
Vulture, but I'll fight tooth and nail that it was an improvement.
"I'm an 80 year lonely old crazy CEO of Evilcorp that hops in glider wings to yell 'frick off' at people that I think wronged me!"
vs.
"I'm a family-man that owns a construction company and I got fricked over by bigger businesses, so to recoup my losses I've been snatching up any super-tech I can find and selling it on the black market. Call me a vulture if you want, idgaf, I want to give my daughter the life she deserves and that takes money."
IIRC Stern wrote Vulture as an old man finally getting an ounce of power in his life.
Committing crimes is pretty much him lashing out at society for being robbed of that in his prime years.
>Phoenix: >You should pity the crazy; I only did this because society pushed me to do it!
Not exactly. The message I got from joker but I guess you could read it that way.
I won't lie the Vulture has a sick ass suit. >Find an identical looking Vulture suit in the trash. Wonder why he dumped it. >Paint it rusty orange and red. >Become the BEARDED VULTURE. >Just fly around all day because thats fricking sick. >Spiderman swings on by. >Crack jokes about my costume. >Call him gay. >Good laugh all around.
I swear there was a eco-horror movie with a similar premise to the movie-villain. >Biologists go deep into the Amazon rainforest to stop pollution >They run afoul of a group of "beings" (can't remember if they were aliens, monsters, or spirits) >The beings plan to ensure that humans can never destroy the ecosystem again >The biologist rush to figure out what the beings are doing >They find out they're going to put a chemical in the water to make humans stop being born with thumbs, so they can't operate tools anymore >You can't sure if they stop the beings at the end, because the last shot is a biologist holding a newborn baby who doesn't have thumbs
I think a lot of times movies try to overcomplicate their villains and forget to make them actually fun and enjoyable instead.
Raimi's Osborn is a fun character but also a pretty complex one.
I barely remember Killmonger's personality despite all the shillinhg.
it happens because of people trying to “flesh out” their characters without realizing they haven’t added anything substantial and have, in fact, muddied the clear and concise nature of the original character. >villain before the movie
effectively an avoidantly attached person throwing a tantrum. simple cause, simple narrative solution >villain after the movie
the new “dimensionality” added to their character makes it harder to pin down their underlying psychology, AND their ideology further masks it. no clear narrative resolution that stems from this, and if you just try to “punch the bad guy away” it leaves the audience feeling less satisfied
I find it funny that this version of simultaneously tries to copy Zodiac and overcomplicates Riddler, when real Zodiac was more than likely just a narcissist getting off on attention he received and, in his own mind, being smarter than those trying to catch him, in other words being much closer to actual comic Riddler.
To this day I'm convinced the Zodiac Killer wasn't some kind of criminal mastermind but a rich and bored dickhead that just bribed the right people and pulled the right strings so they wouldn't investigate his crimes.
I mean, just look at this.
https://www.zodiackiller.com/HalloweenCard.html
Or this
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer_letter,_May_8th_1974
assuming this is a real letter, you can absolutely feel sleaze and smugness. If Riddler was characterized closer to this instead of dweeby autist leaving forgettable riddles that tell nothing about his personality and having some grand goal, I think The Batman would've been much better for it.
Killmonger
Thanos
Killmonger didn't do bad things because he was "evil" in the comics though. His motive was that his life was ruined because T'Challa's dad fricked up and trusted Klaw, so Killmonger devoted himself to destroying the monarchy and ending Wakanda's isolation, because he genuinely believed that would be better for his estranged country. He was always a "had good intentions" villain.
But was he obsessed with white people in the comics
outside of Venomm(a different older character than Venom), no and even then he just used Venomm's infatuation with him to use him as soldier in his revolutionary army
No, but the fact remains, the movie didn't turn him from a straightforward EVIL villain into someone with Motives. He always had Motives.
In a way, it's backwards with Killmonger. In the comics, he cares about Wakanda and hates T'Challa and the monarchy. In the movie, he could not give a frick about the country beyond the weapons.
It still boggles my mind that there were people walking about going "KILLMONGER WAS RIGHT!" while ignoring that the movie beat us over the head with the fact that Killmonger didn't give a frick about his people, his followers, or any of the stuff he gave speeches about. He cared about revenge for his dead daddy.
do your own fricking research
But, that's what he's doing. Asking other people for information is part of doing research. That's why detectives talk to witnesses.
Also this is a forum. We discuss things on a forum.
Imageboard. Slightly different format.
But used for the same means...usually.
Until the shitposting starts.
Yeah sorry I was just nitpicking.
No problem
Vulture, but I'll fight tooth and nail that it was an improvement.
"I'm an 80 year lonely old crazy CEO of Evilcorp that hops in glider wings to yell 'frick off' at people that I think wronged me!"
vs.
"I'm a family-man that owns a construction company and I got fricked over by bigger businesses, so to recoup my losses I've been snatching up any super-tech I can find and selling it on the black market. Call me a vulture if you want, idgaf, I want to give my daughter the life she deserves and that takes money."
The difference is he wasn't blowing up orphans for unrelated reasons.
comic book vulture was great when written by dematteis and drawn by sal buscema
but then again, everything was
Sal's art was so cool.
Even made Judas Traveler look good.
he's my favourite
He was great there but those two built off what Roger Stern and JRJR did. Really, Roger Stern improved Vulture
IIRC Stern wrote Vulture as an old man finally getting an ounce of power in his life.
Committing crimes is pretty much him lashing out at society for being robbed of that in his prime years.
The CEO angle was already used on green goblin so people didn't want vulture to ne the new gobby
I grew up in the era where they just made a new, super mega bad guy for them to fight in the movie, if we're talking cartoons.
We all know that the cape movies BEFORE the MCU didn't really do this. They all just ended with with the villain dying at the end.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Dr. Doom in the most recent Fantastic 4 movie when that's obviously what it's based on, right down to global warming.
The design change isn't NEARLY moronic enough to be referencing Fan4stic Doom
>iFunny
I know nothing of the site. Is it basically just a modern ebaums or not really?
Basically. The only thing missing is us scapegoating them for the atrocities we commit.
If only there were some pools we could close in their name. Sadly I see ifunny watermarks used as pretentious hipster irony these days.
It has also had more genuine nazis then /misc/
The Joker has gotten this really REALLY badly.
Comics:
Life is a joke! I'm going to commit crimes based on gags and jokes because I think it's funny!
Ledger:
I'm an agent of chaos out to prove that every person is ruthless and amoral; they just need the push to admit it.
Phoenix:
You should pity the crazy; I only did this because society pushed me to do it!
>Phoenix:
>You should pity the crazy; I only did this because society pushed me to do it!
Not exactly. The message I got from joker but I guess you could read it that way.
Right is unironically better. Comic "writers" are moronic.
I won't lie the Vulture has a sick ass suit.
>Find an identical looking Vulture suit in the trash. Wonder why he dumped it.
>Paint it rusty orange and red.
>Become the BEARDED VULTURE.
>Just fly around all day because thats fricking sick.
>Spiderman swings on by.
>Crack jokes about my costume.
>Call him gay.
>Good laugh all around.
Thanos
The Joker
Flag Smasher
I swear there was a eco-horror movie with a similar premise to the movie-villain.
>Biologists go deep into the Amazon rainforest to stop pollution
>They run afoul of a group of "beings" (can't remember if they were aliens, monsters, or spirits)
>The beings plan to ensure that humans can never destroy the ecosystem again
>The biologist rush to figure out what the beings are doing
>They find out they're going to put a chemical in the water to make humans stop being born with thumbs, so they can't operate tools anymore
>You can't sure if they stop the beings at the end, because the last shot is a biologist holding a newborn baby who doesn't have thumbs
I think a lot of times movies try to overcomplicate their villains and forget to make them actually fun and enjoyable instead.
Raimi's Osborn is a fun character but also a pretty complex one.
I barely remember Killmonger's personality despite all the shillinhg.
it happens because of people trying to “flesh out” their characters without realizing they haven’t added anything substantial and have, in fact, muddied the clear and concise nature of the original character.
>villain before the movie
effectively an avoidantly attached person throwing a tantrum. simple cause, simple narrative solution
>villain after the movie
the new “dimensionality” added to their character makes it harder to pin down their underlying psychology, AND their ideology further masks it. no clear narrative resolution that stems from this, and if you just try to “punch the bad guy away” it leaves the audience feeling less satisfied
I find it funny that this version of simultaneously tries to copy Zodiac and overcomplicates Riddler, when real Zodiac was more than likely just a narcissist getting off on attention he received and, in his own mind, being smarter than those trying to catch him, in other words being much closer to actual comic Riddler.
Lots of homies are just buttholes, at most they had a drunk dad who came home drunk and beat them and mommy up
To this day I'm convinced the Zodiac Killer wasn't some kind of criminal mastermind but a rich and bored dickhead that just bribed the right people and pulled the right strings so they wouldn't investigate his crimes.
Is that Zemourgal
I mean, just look at this.
https://www.zodiackiller.com/HalloweenCard.html
Or this
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer_letter,_May_8th_1974
assuming this is a real letter, you can absolutely feel sleaze and smugness. If Riddler was characterized closer to this instead of dweeby autist leaving forgettable riddles that tell nothing about his personality and having some grand goal, I think The Batman would've been much better for it.
Disgusting.