Aka Duel of the Fates
Would it have been better than Rise of Skywalker? Could it have saved Star Wars from dying at Disney’s hands? Or was the damage already too severe to save it?
Rise of Skywalker original script
Aka Duel of the Fates
Would it have been better than Rise of Skywalker? Could it have saved Star Wars from dying at Disney’s hands? Or was the damage already too severe to save it?
Better, yes, but if you've read it you know it wasn't very good. We'll never know if revisions would have improved it or not.
What was wrong with it in your opinion?
>Lazy plot where Kylo gets lifesucking magic solely to explain how he can save Rey
>Shoehorned romance
>Rey's "balance" development is goofy wank that misunderstands the point of the Dark Side
>Leia still doesn't do anything of interest
The last of these would have been inevitable, but it wasn't inevitable when the script was drafted. Even TROS manages to do some stuff better than the DOTF script we have.
This. I read some comic adaptation, it was on the same level as Force Awakens at best. A harmless, dull movie.
anything would've been better than what we got, king
Overall better, but the Rey-Poe romance was moronic.
Doesn't matter what they did, Force Awakens was the gut stab and Last Jedi was the beheading.
TFA really wasn’t that bad. It had potential to lead into a decent trilogy but Rian Johnson fricked everything up
TFA fricked everything up by making the entire trilogy essentially a retread of the rebels vs the empire. Different names, same thing.
Yeah true. They should have done something cooler like demonic voodoo sith worshippers corrupting people with satanic dark side magic to build a army of demonic sith, which leads Luke to rebuilding the Jedi order or some shit. Kind of make it like the Old Republic Era where it’s just a bunch of Jedi vs Sith instead of just reusing the empire/rebels plot again
Yup. Almost anything original would've been better than what we got. TFA only managed to set some new characters up. Otherwise it was a complete waste.
>It had potential to lead into a decent trilogy
No it didn't. TFA ended in a way that left no interesting places for the story to go, it directly sets up the next movie to be a remake of Empire Strikes Back. The reason TLJ was such a failure is because Rian Johnson desperately tried to go in a different direction and fricked up any trilogy cohesion.
How would you guys have done the sequel trilogy if you were in charge?
I'd use Lucas's scripts.
He didn't have scripts.
He had story treatments and was working with a writer until he realized Disney didn't want him involved.
Which aren't scripts. I'm being pedantic, but a lot of things were still in flux because Lucas's ideas were still very general. It's not like he left outright first drafts ready for people to pick up and use like Trevorrow did.
He was working on the scripts when selling to Disney. If Disney wanted they could've used the Lucas scripts for the sequels.
I like Lucas’ scripts way better than Disney’s but I’m not a huge fan of Darth Maul being the main villain and Leia being the chosen one instead of Anakin
>Leia being the chosen one
That was a sarcastic comment that Lucas made that some autist took at face-value. Anakin's still the Chosen One.
>sarcastic comment
lol
Not that it matters. The fact he was even bringing Maul back more or less rendered the moronic Chosen One prophecy as void anyway.
Maul wasn't a Sith anymore when he came back. He would've been the old decrepit leader of a crime Syndicate, with Talon doing all the physical Vader shit. Instead of Rebels fighting the Empire like in the OT, it's the New Republic fighting the galaxy's underworld.
>Maul wasn't a Sith anymore when he came back.
He was just an evil red lightsaber guy with an apprentice with the Darth title that also had a red lightsaber, then, gotcha.
There's a world of difference between a Sith and your average Darksider. Anyone can turn to the Dark Side, but not anyone can be a Sith. It's a very exclusive club.
Who cares? Sheev and Vadet are gone Maul can call himsel anything he wants. Ill throw you a bone and cal him a new sith.
Doesn't work like that. It's a succession thing. Because both Palpatine and Vader bit the dust, the Sith were totally over. Anyone who calls themself a Sith afterwards would just be a pretender and nothing more.
I'm glad the prophecy caters to such mundane bylaws.
>George Lucas: [...] Then after the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.
>I had planned for the first trilogy to be about the father, the second trilogy to be about the son, and the third trilogy to be about the daughter and the grandchildren.
>Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. "Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?" Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win.
>They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.
>There's a power vacuum so gangsters, like the Hutts, are taking advantage of the situation, and there is chaos. The key person is Darth Maul, who had been resurrected in The Clone Wars cartoons—he brings all the gangs together.
>Paul Duncan: Was Darth Maul the main villain?
>George Lucas: Yeah, but he's very old, and we have two versions of him. One is with a set of cybernetic legs like a spider, and then later on he has metal legs and he was a little bit bigger, more of a superhero. We did all this in the animated series, he was in a bunch of episodes.
>Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books, as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her. So these were the two main villains of the trilogy. Maul eventually becomes the godfather of crime in the universe because, as the Empire falls, he takes over.
>The movies are about how Leia—I mean, who else is going to be the leader?—is trying to build the Republic. They still have the apparatus of the Republic but they have to get it under control from the gangsters. That was the main story.
>It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there's this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets, and that Luke is trying to restart the Jedi. He puts the word out, so out of 100,000 Jedi, maybe 50 or 100 are left. The Jedi have to grow again from scratch, so Luke has to find two- and three-year-olds, and train them. It'll be 20 years before you have a new generation of Jedi.
>By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. So she ended up being the Chosen One.
This sounds like Luke and Leia wouldn't have been as old as Hamill and Fisher were at the time. It's very likely the ST would've had similar time jumps to the PT. Episode VII likely would've taken place a bit after RotJ, with the other Episodes having everyone as old as their actors were at the time.
Would Lucas have recasted for the young versions, or would he just de-age them like in Rogue One and Mando?
Before anything else, establish Luke as head of the New Jedi Order. None of this nephew killing hermit horseshit.
In charge how?
Full creative control of the plot, writing, characters, etc
Cool. Ill let Rian Johnson have his trilogy and let him take the fall if it bombs and take for myself credit if it sells. The details are for the creative little people.
It was bad, but unlike TLJ it was bad in ways that could have been steamrolled by a competent sequel.
Episode 9 was always going to be completely fricked
The script was pretty dull, but at least it didn't do anything that would cause irreparable damage to the storyline, so I guess it was at least better than TFA or TLJ.
The whole script read like fanfiction. It would've went over worse with mass audiences than Rise of Skywalker.
Even if the script was better the acting, action, music, sound design would have been just as unimpressive and unworthy of Star Wars. Disney tried to turn Star Wars into Marvel and they fricked up so bad it's unreal and unsalvageable
Either do it like Alien, basically the same plot done differently, or expand the mythology. It was stupid to go for Skywalkers, just like it is stupid to have every fricking film be about John Connor.
>It was stupid to go for Skywalkers
The Episodes are the Skywalker Saga. No shit the ST would involve them. Non-Episodes can focus on other characters.
>just like it is stupid to have every fricking film be about John Connor.
He's the Future Messiah, dude. The Savior of Humanity. It's in his fricking name. JC as in Jesus Christ.
I won't apologize to George for the prequels because I liked them but I will never apologize to George for selling Star Wars to fricking Disney
>Would it have been better than Rise of Skywalker?
Getting a bucket of shit emptied over your head would have been better than Rise of Skywalker. Just as Star Wars felt like it was finding its feet again under Disney Abrams went and publicly executed it.