>This version of the characters is based on the 2014 movie, right?
No, it's based on the most recent animated series, which was also titled "Rise of the TMNT", that ran from 2018 to 2020. The show took a few design cues from the Platinum Dunes films, but it was its own continuity. >I've also never seen the appeal of these characters.
A team of heroes who are a family, are ninjas with cool weapons, distinct personalities, have an extensive rogues gallery of both humans and mutants, can adapt to any setting from street level to intergalactic, any tone from grittiness to slapstick, etc. It's right up there with Batman in terms of adaptability.
Anime and spider-verse success encouraged them to make their own faux anime. if only in the west creative people could do their thing. Like Miyazaki, Anno, Hosoda, Yuasa and etc...
they greenlit Season 2 & this movie right before Season 1 and the toyline-sales didn't do as well as Nickelodeon wanted.
Anime and spider-verse success encouraged them to make their own faux anime. if only in the west creative people could do their thing. Like Miyazaki, Anno, Hosoda, Yuasa and etc...
they announced RotTMNT in March 2018, months before we even knew what Spider-Verse looked like at all.
Wrong, actually. The VERY original contract was for one season but before the first season even came out they signed another contract for another season and a movie. Since they did that before anything even aired I'd still file that under "original contract," since it was unaffected by any ratings.
I hate turtles, not necessarily these ones specifically mind you but turtles in general. Vile, awful creatures that are always trying to frick my shoes. I hope at least one of these fricking things dies by the end
Ah i get it so the Casey of this universe is a girl because they wanted her to have a son that would become more similar to the other Casey Jones except this one gets to be a time traveler
IIRC Foot Recruit was only made Cassandra "Casey" Jones when the crew realize that they were not getting a third season and as such would otherwise be the only TMNT cartoon without some version of Casey. That’s why there’s no foreshadowing to her true identity until the second half of season 2 and what is there is VERY minor.
What makes you think she’s not in this? The Casey Jones in this trailer is from the FUTURE after all and he sorta looks like her. I bet we’ll going to find out he’s named after his mom.
There was foreshadowing, iirc she had hockey posters in her room. It just wasn’t hinted at overtly because for some reason they held it off as a big reveal
This. Fricking pussies needed to go all the fricking way if they were going to do this. Now they give us a time traveling male Casey Jones. Well maybe I wanted to see Cassandra in a hockey mask, ever think about that Nick? Fricking moronic.
well, leonardo is no longer the straight-man leader and they made him more sarcastic/jokey, which makes his dynamic in the team to similar to mickey. Ralph is also playing the typical dumb ass comic relief which is also a mikey adjacent trait. I will say that Donnie is the least offensive in this regard but I am biased cause i dislike 2012 and the bayfilms making him a passive nerd type.
This is suck... 2023 movie make Donnie a loser nerd again. The turtles designs are just plain goofy. Donnie with glasses, Leo with braces, the turtles are all way too scrawny. A lot of the people in charge of TMNT for the past too decade are way too obsessed with making them like real teenagers when they arent. The turtles were raised differently and have always acted more like adults because of their upbringing under a sensei.
I'm not really big on the og series but from what I can remember that still had somewhat more distinct despite looking so similar visually. Leo was still the straight man, Ralph was kinda serious/sarcastic with his brooklyn accent and mickey was more laid back surfer bro but I can't remember anything about donnie besides machine. You may be right about them essentially playing out as the same character but they felt distinct enough. But the main problem really stems from leo and mickey both being tricksters/showoff types and at least from season 1 there doesn't seem to be a difference in maturity level or skill between them. But this movies looks good in that its setting up leo to take charge of the TMNT and being more mature, which really separates him from mickey
He could be more mature but I still hope Rise Leo doesn't lose his trickster type. Make him like Dante from DMC.
well, leonardo is no longer the straight-man leader and they made him more sarcastic/jokey, which makes his dynamic in the team to similar to mickey. Ralph is also playing the typical dumb ass comic relief which is also a mikey adjacent trait. I will say that Donnie is the least offensive in this regard but I am biased cause i dislike 2012 and the bayfilms making him a passive nerd type.
Can't the same be said about the original cartoon for being comedy focus?
I'm not really big on the og series but from what I can remember that still had somewhat more distinct despite looking so similar visually. Leo was still the straight man, Ralph was kinda serious/sarcastic with his brooklyn accent and mickey was more laid back surfer bro but I can't remember anything about donnie besides machine. You may be right about them essentially playing out as the same character but they felt distinct enough. But the main problem really stems from leo and mickey both being tricksters/showoff types and at least from season 1 there doesn't seem to be a difference in maturity level or skill between them. But this movies looks good in that its setting up leo to take charge of the TMNT and being more mature, which really separates him from mickey
The Image ones acted the most like actual teenagers, especially in Savage Dragon. The rest just act like cutesy pretend teenagers, especially the Nick stuff.
Leonardo is the Sarcastic butthole (Al-a Rapheal from the 90's)
Rapheal is the lovable big brother who wants to keep his brothers happy
Mikey is the artistic, lovable, to pure for this world younger brother and donny....
Mikey is pure of heart, dumb and easy going.
Rise Leo is easy going but not dumb and completely impure of heart.
Rise Raph has a big heart but is dumb and always stressed out.
Rise Donnie has none of that.
They’re not 5 Mikeys.
It's great, lots of personality and very dynamic action animation. People will cry about it being too different but as the fourth cartoon in this franchise's history a mix-up was due.
pretty fun, personalities take some getting used to since they leaned in to the teenage part quite a bit. interesting take on the mythos with Saki and Hamato, decent OCs, pretty great emotional beats when it gets serious.
I think its 11 min episode format hampered it that they had to up the zany antics as a comedy
Zoomers loved it, boomers mald that April wasn't white in a banana suit
I think the animation is the only objectivelly good thing about it. Anyone saying "it isn't TMNT" is missing the point entirely, as TMNT has looked like a lot of things before, and I'd argue 2003 TMNT did TMNT but anime before this one did, this one is just the modern anime style of high energy action, and it does it well. If more cartoons in the west at least animate half as good as this did, I wouldn't be thinking the western animation world is dead just yet.
It was literally cancelled during its initial production order. No large group of people loved this show. I'd hazard a guess that no large amount of people are even aware it exists.
I didn't even hate it, but its failure tells you all you need to know. I saw 80's kids seethe at 03, 80's and 03 kids seethe at 2012, and both were still long running successes. A TMNT cartoons lives or dies by kids. Rise was more popular with fujo types who didn't really care about the franchise before it. unfortunately those aren't the type to buy cheap retail toys.
noone buys toys anymore, its all about video games. thats why action shows in particular is not as profitable or widespread. Its why cartoons has become increasingly a girl space in the past decade.
>but its failure tells you all you need to know
It specifically got cancelled because Nickelodeon had new execs that wanted to change things. I honestly don't think it did any worse than some of TMNT 2012 low points, and that show went on for like 5 seasons because the execs wanted to milk TMNT for all it's worth, even when the ratings for that show sucked.
This argument is silly.
It's own by Nick and objectively had higher rating than shows by cartoon network and Disney in 2018. TMNT 2012 didn't die instantly for not being SpongeBob becuase it was a freshly new bought IP. This argument don't represent the show quality and Korra was sent to nicktoon hell even if it had a higher rating than 2012 TMNT.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The ratings STARTED strong, while it was riding on 2012's coattails. If I remember right it initially had ratings higher than the last bits of 2012. People were excited to see this new TMNT!
And then the ratings nosedived so hard they shunted it to Channel Ocho and slashed the number of eps in the second season budget (they probably would have outright canceled it, but they had a contract). That's not to say that it was a TOTAL bomb, but it was not sustaining the viewership that Viacom had come to expect from TMNT. They'd hoped to repeat 2012's success. Nothing doing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am referring to season 1 of rise average rating compare to Cartoon Network series. Craig of the Creek never achieved 1 million views and Rise had at least 6 episodes that had 1 million views.
Craig got 5 seasons and is considered a success, rise was cut in half and send into the sister network for not being spongebob. Nick have a history of mistreating their shows.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, Rise had at least 6 eps with a million views. It's TMNT, of course it did. What stood out to the execs is that the new TMNT show started strong then began hemorrhaging viewers. People tuned in wanting TMNT, and tuned out because they didn't get what they were wanting.
Now even at its lowest ratings it was doing better compared to many shows, but it's TMNT, a proven franchise. How well it does gets compared to previous versions of TMNT, not to Craig of the Creek.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, that and the toys weren't selling. Only made it to wave two, which is considered pathetic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sure, that too. But the ratings trending HARSHLY downward was a red flag that this wasn't a problem that could be easily fixed. If the ratings are good and the merch is doing poorly, you know you need different merch. If your ratings are in a death spiral and your merch isn't selling, you know you fricked up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What stood out to the execs is that the new TMNT show started strong then began hemorrhaging viewers
That literally didn't matter to them, as pointed out already it was dead the moment the new management showed up and wanted their own turtles.
>its failure tells you all you need to know
It didn't even fail, because failure implies it was given a chance. It died strictly because of a CEO change, along with Glitch Techs. It was never going to last more than 2 seasons regardless of quality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This, it was all the fault of the new execs who wanted to can it for the sake of Seth Rogen's turtles, which looks even worse than the worst of rise
You're on Cinemaphile anon. A home where everyone has shed tears for shows they loved that failed to click with the money-maker kiddos. You will need a better argument than "i-it didn't sell enough for 5 seasons!"
It's great as a show you can just kick back and have fun with every now and then. Surprisingly has the best version of Splinter despite having the worst design of him.
It's ruined by the fact all the brothers have the same personality and that personality is Michael's
I'm so sick of this disingenuous bullshit. That's like saying the 80s turtles are just 4 Mikey's, something Turtles Forever tried to peddle and got rightfully called out for.
>Surprisingly has the best version of Splinter despite having the worst design of him.
I am not sure if hes the best but I adore rise splinter. His character of being thrust into the Hamato's duty and his disenfranchisement of it after loss making him follow a more hedonistic view, his body dysphoria about his mutation that makes the scenes of him watching his old movies hit differently on re watch. His reluctance to involve the turtles into the Hamato's troubles and subsequent acquiescence when he realizes that his putting off his duty has finally bitten them all in the ass.I like how well rounded he is. Also his relationship with the turtles and Draxum in general.
In later episodes Rise Splinter became one of my favorite Incarnation of Splinter. Unlike 2012 Splinter. 2012 Splinter was great in early episodes until the writers try to kill him many times.
It's honestly the first time a TMNT show felt like it was made by intelligent and competent staff instead of feeling like something that appeals only to virgins/sweaty kinda geeks.
Yeah, that is why 2012 was brainless pandering and bad injokes that only make sense in Ciro's head and why 2003 was still boring to normal people. Because being the best among 4kids' roster is still being pretty bad.
Sorry your taste is bad. Coulda been different.
>Because being the best among 4kids' roster is still being pretty bad.
2003 Turtles is up there with Batman TAS, Godzilla TAS, and Spiderman TAS for me. Frankly I'm sorry you have shit taste and need your ADD riddled flashy junk with a Black person April and dyke genderswapped Casey for diversity
>Comparing Godzilla to Batman TAS >Comparing Spiderman TAS aka John Semper's diarrhea to Batman TAS
You are mentally moronic even ignoring your bad taste in Turtle media. What a sad sight.
I felt the opposite; the 80's show, 03, and 2012 all felt like they were being made for kids. Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators. I'd almost argue that's part of the appeal for fans. The show feels cobbled together from stuff the staff liked and wanted to try doing.
I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods just to reference "le escape from new york". Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The 80s show to me is made not for kids, but by people who hate kids. Specially knowing the equally lazy staff it shared with the Transformers show.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods
I think you underestimate kids. But that's besides the point; regardless if you think kids wouldn't like them they were still written with kids in mind, not some imaginary nerd in your head.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'd believe you if it were the occasional nostalgia nod, but 2013 was nostalgia nods all the god damn time. To the point where even original characters with potential like Dogpound would get sidelined just so Ciro could focus on the return of nostalgiabait.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods just to reference "le escape from new york".
That's the point, this arc is supposed to give the Turtles interesting character moments. It's a change of pace from the city, it's slower, but it's comfy which is juxtaposed with how it usually happens after the Turtles suffer a horrible defeat. Not everything needs to be some action packed episode. I'd argue such an arc is essential for the literary hero's journey of the turtles.
Also great to have Leo and Raph show how much they care for one another.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not saying it's not an effective "story step", but I think it is definitely one that shows they wanted to titilate hardcore nerds specifically. Hell that string episodes even did the "Splinter apparition in the fire" bit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Comparing Godzilla to Batman TAS >Comparing Spiderman TAS aka John Semper's diarrhea to Batman TAS
You are mentally moronic even ignoring your bad taste in Turtle media. What a sad sight.
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I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods just to reference "le escape from new york". Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The 80s show to me is made not for kids, but by people who hate kids. Specially knowing the equally lazy staff it shared with the Transformers show.
I like the 2012 arc but notice it only happened after 2 seasons. I bet Rise could have had one of those if the show was given more episodes, but it was cut short.
Rise and TMNT 2012 actually have similar tones for the first two seasons, 2012 only got really dark, dramatic and intense starting from season 3. I think fans of that version often forget that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
cringe
2 years ago
Anonymous
>just to reference "le escape from new york".
The farmhouse stuff is just part of TMNT at this point. The beloved 1990 movie sealed it in and only a handful of adaptations don't use it. You can call 2k3 doing it a homage since they specifically adapted issues from that setting, but with 2012 doing it now its no more a reference than the Batsignal in batman is a reference to the old serials that originated it. Its just another setting/thing in the TMNT franchise, no more a reference than Karai existing is a reference to Mirage, or the Krang name is a reference to the 80's show.
I felt the opposite; the 80's show, 03, and 2012 all felt like they were being made for kids. Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators. I'd almost argue that's part of the appeal for fans. The show feels cobbled together from stuff the staff liked and wanted to try doing.
>Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators
By that logic I could say 2012 was made just for horror fans and weebs with the amount of anime and horror movie references it had as part of it's core identity and visual style. That's a non-argument that glosses over the actual content of the show.
Rise is the most kid friendly TMNT since the original, in fact that's why people got pissed at it, they wanted more serious and dark turtles (which Rise eventually had as well, but people couldn't wait because they're impatient losers). Don't give me this false narrative that it's not for kids.
>cope
how the frick is saying it's a kid friendly series a cope? You people always moan about Rise being too kiddy, and now you say it's not kiddy enough? The fricking goalposts man, so desperate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
all TMNT is kid friendly
2 years ago
Anonymous
the argument was >the 80's show, 03, and 2012 all felt like they were being made for kids. Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators.
As if Rise wasn't being made for kids, which you seem to agree is a stupid statement.
2 years ago
Anonymous
different anon,moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
well you're also a moron so you can excuse my confussion
The main complaints weren't about it being kid friendly, were about it being too different from previous versions of tmnt, as far as the main cast goes.
well it's the complaint in this thread right now
2003 and 12 pander the frick to kids. 03 aimed to make them look cool and shonen anime and give them big cool vehicles and extreme sports vehicles to work as toys and videogames. 2012 was all about making them sarcastic teenagers with humor like other Nicktoons. They both very much fit trends of what kids watched at the time.
Rise on the other hand feels more like it was trying to mimic really witty and fastpaced internet humor that millenials/early zoomers love. You can argue kids like that too given the popularity of youtube and tiktok, but kids don't necessarily want action shows in that format, given the popularity of anime. Even the emotional elements feel more like they were made for the women on the staff than kids.
>2012 was all about making them sarcastic teenagers with humor like other Nicktoons
That's literally what Rise also did
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Even the emotional elements feel more like they were made for the women on the staff than kids.
Incel hands wrote this
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Rise has better humor than MCU but that chip tracker joke is pretty basic
moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mirage comics would like a word with you
2 years ago
Anonymous
obviously I'm talking about the Cartoons
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mirage is usually hard PG-13 at worst they're not that edgy, on same level as big two mainline books.
2 years ago
Anonymous
reddit
2 years ago
Anonymous
But Mirage turtles always act like adults.
I don't read it but I'm glad it makes the TMNT boomers seethe even harder
>IDW TMNT >After 100 issues
Making them act like cliche teens already sucks. Worst of all, they now look like teens from Netflix original teen drama with a furry overlay. Also I don't understand why Campbell hate Casey so much?
The main complaints weren't about it being kid friendly, were about it being too different from previous versions of tmnt, as far as the main cast goes.
2003 and 12 pander the frick to kids. 03 aimed to make them look cool and shonen anime and give them big cool vehicles and extreme sports vehicles to work as toys and videogames. 2012 was all about making them sarcastic teenagers with humor like other Nicktoons. They both very much fit trends of what kids watched at the time.
Rise on the other hand feels more like it was trying to mimic really witty and fastpaced internet humor that millenials/early zoomers love. You can argue kids like that too given the popularity of youtube and tiktok, but kids don't necessarily want action shows in that format, given the popularity of anime. Even the emotional elements feel more like they were made for the women on the staff than kids.
>Even the emotional elements feel more like they were made for the women on the staff than kids.
Incel hands wrote this
It looks interesting, but God damn does the writing have to include bottom-tier MCU-style "humor" and le wacky faces?
>MCU-style "humor" and le wacky faces?
That's just Rise
Rise has better humor than MCU but that chip tracker joke is pretty basic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Incel hands wrote this
Cry incel all you want, doesn't change the fact that the particular bad dad/desperate kids who want approval has been a go-to dynamic for fangirl writers since the zine days. "The turtles are all desperate for a hug from Splinter" is the kind of joke you'd see on tumblr.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doesn't change the fact that the particular bad dad/desperate kids who want approval has been a go-to dynamic for fangirl writers since the zine days.
Women are also more attracted to romance, does that mean any romantic story in any piece of media is meant to appeal to women and that romance cannot exist for men?
As I said, incel mentality, emotions don't only exist for women.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Women are also more attracted to romance, does that mean any romantic story in any piece of media is meant to appeal to women and that romance cannot exist for men?
yes
2 years ago
Anonymous
Alright, you just undermined one of the most classic genres of storytelling ever. Guess Shakespere was aiming for Tumblr back in the day when he wrote Romeo and Juliet.
Dumbass incel
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Guess Shakespere was aiming for Tumblr back in the day when he wrote Romeo and Juliet.
true
2 years ago
Anonymous
Romance isn't inherently for women, but there are different approaches to it that can change the kind of audience its meant for.
Compare Rise's "splinter is a bad dad" humor with something like John K's father figures in Ren and Stimpy. There's more of a soft cutesyness to Rise's way of doing it, where as Ren and stimpy plays it up more for straight humor and there's no attempt at making it seem sweet in the end.
I'm not even saying one is better than the other, just that Rise feels more like its attempting to appeal to the sort of audience than wants these relationships to have more substance, but also some (safe) drama, which is really often more fangirls than little kids.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'd argue it's more that even the shitty writers of Rise knew they couldn't make Splinter a 100% bad father and still have any old viewers. As it stands they still did shitty math for calculating how much they could change and still attract existing TMNT fans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Compare Rise's "splinter is a bad dad" humor with something like John K's father figures in Ren and Stimpy. There's more of a soft cutesyness to Rise's way of doing it
But why is that just for women though? And it's a joke, it's meant to be funny, not emotional
I'd argue it's more that even the shitty writers of Rise knew they couldn't make Splinter a 100% bad father and still have any old viewers. As it stands they still did shitty math for calculating how much they could change and still attract existing TMNT fans.
They never planned on making Splinter a bad father dumbass
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But why is that just for women though? And it's a joke, it's meant to be funny, not emotional
Its not necessarily just for women, but its the type of humor very commonly enjoyed by fangirls.All the "Splinter sucks as a dad" stuff all builds up to Splinter finally being a good dad and an emotional moment between them all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but its the type of humor very commonly enjoyed by fangirls
fangirls commonly enjoy a lot of things though, I don't see why it should be lesser for anyone other than fangirls to enjoy something just because they like it as well. >All the "Splinter sucks as a dad" stuff all builds up to Splinter finally being a good dad and an emotional moment between them all.
That's just character development
God I hate Rise, shit not TMNT. It's it own thing with Turtles slap into it.
it's more TMNT than you'll ever know boomer
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon said they made him a bad father but they made it soft and pulled their punches with him, so the show was for girls. To which I pointed out that they really COULDN'T make him a thoroughly a bad father without alienating existing fans.
Was there ever a moment where they considered making him just a bad father full stop? Dunno. Maybe? But the fact that he had softer edges doesn't make it a show for girls, just a show by people who knew they couldn't make a 100% bad father out of Splinter.
no one watched rise and no one watched go.
you know what Cinemaphile actually watches? terrible cartoons as i continue to see star vs, adventure time and steven universe threads hit bump limit years after it ended.
actually im not done.
The only thing Rise of tmnt has in common with teen titans go is a few of the background artist started out doing stuff for cn which does include go and ALSO INCLUDES the original teentitans show.
They basically did a tribute to the mad mod chase. the show is more like the 2003 show that what people groan about existing now.
And for the homosexuals that have to default to japanese animation to describe this show, whatever you think this looks like that thing is from one of the biggest westaboo studios in that country. where else do you think they got their sharp styled cartoonie action shit from? sure as frick wasnt their own country. id say go back to calling the studio shit like the rest of the weebs in recent years but after the announcement last week they probably already forgot why they wanted to hate mob the studio in the first place.
actually im not done.
The only thing Rise of tmnt has in common with teen titans go is a few of the background artist started out doing stuff for cn which does include go and ALSO INCLUDES the original teentitans show.
They basically did a tribute to the mad mod chase. the show is more like the 2003 show that what people groan about existing now.
And for the homosexuals that have to default to japanese animation to describe this show, whatever you think this looks like that thing is from one of the biggest westaboo studios in that country. where else do you think they got their sharp styled cartoonie action shit from? sure as frick wasnt their own country. id say go back to calling the studio shit like the rest of the weebs in recent years but after the announcement last week they probably already forgot why they wanted to hate mob the studio in the first place.
Sakuga fans have low standards, but it's not exactly bad taste.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I dont think anyone but you cares about that term which is why you justify it as the only thing people like about this show and absolutely nothing else.
Cinemaphile gets their fair share of crossover homosexuals that spam nothing but webms from that booru and what they define as well animated is the most effect filled cgi backgrounded garbage ive ever seen.
do i want to bet money you're the same homosexual that aggressively pins the monkeykid threads for being about toys? no but these threads already get enough same toned shitposters
Superficially good. The animation and choreography is very ambitious and heart pounding. That aside, really forgettable dudebro shit tier writing and the art style is bad from time to time.
You’ll only see people post sakuga and yaoi headcanon stuff. That’s it.
Bullshit, Making april black wasn't woke it was them trying to get free marketing from that black youtuber who loved the shit out of 2012, so of course he didn't watch rise at all
Gender bending Casey is not woke either she is still a fun moron like all the other caseys, The real problem was the fricking horrible first reveal that made the show look way more woke i remember articles saying shit like
>New TMNT has black april and the turtles eat vegan pizza could one of the turles be gay?
everyone went apeshit because to be honest the character designs only look good in motion, during the initial reveal all they showed was character illustrations in the most boring poses ever specially april, Fricking name anithing woke about it that isn't black april or female casey who doesn't even count now that we are getting a male casey
No TMNT fans cares about the useless human that is April. Who the frick will watch a show about ninja turtle and find a side character the most important?
No TMNT fans cares about the useless human that is April. Who the frick will watch a show about ninja turtle and find a side character the most important?
Theres a lot of woke 2000s in it, such as making April a brown and Casey a woman
Remember when April was the strongest main character in TMNT history? Remember when Donnie and Casey were spineless simp that worship her? This is considered peak TMNT by the way.
>hey look at the scene where the whole point was her going evil from power overdose, the writers sure were trying to make her a powerful hero, total Mary Sue stuff amirite?
Never change, Cinemaphile.
Unless we're talking about getting better, in which case change a LOT.
> where the whole point was her going evil from power overdose
Which went nowhere and still relies on April being a special child, compared to every other incarnation where she’s just a girl. Even Rise April only gets mystic bat at the end, and a lot of her best attacks don’t even come from her but of someone else helping her
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In every other version she's just a girl
Yeah, and she generally falls off the map. The only versions where they found a way to keep her around were (1) the OG cartoon, where the had Lois Lane powers to find out news and get captured, and (2) 2012, where the Krangs wanted to harvest her mutant brain.
She literally got to a point were she can disintegrate a turtle for not controlling her power and Donnie apologize for what happen. Master splinter like her more than his biological kids.
The whole "alien crystal made her overpowered" plot was stupid, but it was about temporarily making her a villain. She got bumped down to minor league mindpower stuff after losing the crystal. How is that hard to get? You're going "they made her overpowered" for the couple of episodes where, yeah, she was overpowered due to temporary villainy. You can say much the same about lots of "good guys" that became evil temporarily. Evil tends to come with a power boost. And a neat black alt-costume.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Yeah, and she generally falls off the map
She didn’t in Rise without giving her special powers, so I don’t see why 2012 had to go so hard on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>She didn't in Rise
That is some amazing self delusion. She was in only about half the eps, and the eps where she DID appear it was often just for a few seconds, like showing her reaction back at home to something going on in the city. They never bothered filling in details like how she even met the brothers. She was barely even ON the map in the first place, nevermind falling off it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>she was in half the episodes
Good enough, solid way of utilizing a character without overexploiting her. She was still present in all the big battles and events of the story and fit in well. >they never bothered filling in details like how she even met the brothers.
They were going to, then it got axed
2 years ago
Anonymous
She got kidnap in most of her episodes after she failed to help out. Albearto, Foot recruits, Draxum and the girl scout girl captured her.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Good, it grounds her on a situation that fits her character in universe, is an homage to the original cartoon version and makes her victories more meaningful
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're was the alien crystal when she took down Kraang army?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you're talking about that scene, that's a room of them, not an army. And yeah, she's particularly OP against Krang because they tried to make her a mutant linked to them to help them terraform the world to be like Dimension X.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> she's particularly OP against Krang because they tried to make her a mutant linked to them to help them terraform the world to be like Dimension X.
That’s the issue, why even make her that? You can’t deny it’s ridiculous compared to every other April. That’s more over the top than any spin Rise did with the turtles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you can't deny it's ridiculous compared to every other April
Mirage April: They got so desperate for things to do with her that she became a masked vigilante and found out she was a drawing brought to life
80s Cartoon April: Kidnapped every other episode, got mutated a LOT. Which is cool, but you probably wouldn't be able to repeat it these days. Pity.
2003 April: Coincidentally has a long-lost dimension-hopping Uncle. Rarely does anything at all aside from a couple things lifted directly from the Mirage books, like letting them stay at her place.
2018 April: Became a lean mean fighting machine through the power of a 1-episode montage scene.
They're a collection of pretty ridiculous characters. With 2012 they gave her the Krang link to provide a reason why she's around. At first she was there trying to help them get her dad back, then she was there trying to figure out the secrets of why the Krang wanted her. And the powers made it more justifiable that she was able to pick up fighting skills (although it took a few seasons before she was able to do more than land a lucky hit on Karai or hold off a mook for a bit).
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Became a lean mean fighting machine through the power of a 1-episode montage scene.
That episode was a joke and she learned nothing from Splinter. her greatest solo achievement in the show is defeating children who sell cookies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean she did defeat Meatsweats and protect slime e-girl
She literally got to a point were she can disintegrate a turtle for not controlling her power and Donnie apologize for what happen. Master splinter like her more than his biological kids.
Remember how each turtles got a love interest and each was worse than the last?
2012 has great moments but people acting like it’s sooo much better than Rise is laughable when it has all people complain about Rise. >dumb comedic episodes (in a kids cartoon, go figure) >strong female characters >anime influence >stupid throwaway villains >different spin to old characters
The robots the Kraang use look sick, but the show established they were eldricht space entities responsible for literally everything in the show (the mystical creatures, magic and Shredder), so I'm a little dissapointed they seem to be just evil space aliens here. Though them taking away the turtles mystic powers might imply they explain that side of the lore.
Don’t you get it, Anon? The Krang ARE just evil space aliens, always have been. They were mystified by Karai and Shredder, and the blown up into Youkai-like figures. Im sure the Shredder armor is really just a highly advanced piece of tech
yes, it's post finale. Cassandra and Draxum are missing to make the movie more accesible to anyone regardless if they saw Rise or not. I assume Cassandra will at least be mentioned as future Casey's mother.
I mean that definitely had to be part of it for Nick execs, but I think for the crew it was mostly just to make it so everyone can see it. S2 isn't even on Netflix so this movie could be the biggest entry point for new fans if it's accesible to everyone, and using the classic characters in the old team dynamic makes the new viewers more comfortable.
That said, Warren and Hypno are there and their mystic powers is a plot point, so they're not entirely ignoring the actual show.
>Why insist on spoiling everything
Gotta show the money shots, and I personally don't think they spoil that much. We knew it's a movie about the turtles vs Kraang, and the trailer shows that. It doesn't show the possible conflict between Raph and Leo that's hinted at by some images, or what they're crying about, etc.
If he loses a hand, it will reminds me of Image comic Leo. I also remember 2k3 SAINW Leo is became a blind man. It's kind of cool to make Leo more like Sekiro.
Every TMNT incarnation has it's ups and downs. Except for Next Mutation.
Depends entirely on what someone's looking for which iteration will appeal to them.
TMNT and Transformers are different from the usual Big 2 Franchises because unlike Marvel or DC where they stick to a single continuity aside from Elseworlds, both TF and TMNT are constantly reinventing and reinterpreting themselves with varying degrees of tone, and success.
Arguing about the 'best' iteration is pointless because all of them are so drastically different.
And now good versions of them have just crossovered with Mighty Morphin.
There are even figures from Hasbro, a company that Viacom needs to give the license to already.
Don’t you get it, Anon? The Krang ARE just evil space aliens, always have been. They were mystified by Karai and Shredder, and the blown up into Youkai-like figures. Im sure the Shredder armor is really just a highly advanced piece of tech
i fricking LOVE this spin on Krang.
perhaps, but the magic stuff that came from them is very much real
Not him but how?
All he did was call you a boomer, implying that your biased against every TMNT show that's not the 80s, and with your bias towards all of the shows that's not the 80s really supports his point.
And you did imply that you think everything after the 80s cartoon is bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Call you a boomer
Nope. He called
>anything tmnt post 80's related good >anything 4kids related good
I've never seen this amount of shit taste
a boomer.
I'm a completely different anon that pointed out Rise makes for a dogshit rebuttal to any boomer claims.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So there's the problem here.
Maybe you should have let everyone know that you were a different Anon to prevent the confusion.
Also, there's really not much wrong with Rise. It's a good show.
And if you don't like it then why are you even in this thread?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I watched the whole thing, and decided that on the whole it was a bad incarnation with a few elements that were "okayish" if you focus on them on their own. I find the artstyle hideous (especially the faces) but can't deny that some of the animation is quite good. And I'm enough of a TMNT fan to want to see this through to the end. But if I wanted to dispute someone claiming "only the original cartoon was good" I sure as frick wouldn't turn to Rise as the rebuttal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Looking back on that post it really doesn't seem like that Anon was using Rise as a rebuttal.
To me it's just him wanting to use a reaction image to jokingly imply that he's gonna kick that Anon's ass and just wanted it to be TMNT related.
>Call you a boomer
Nope. He called [...] a boomer.
I'm a completely different anon that pointed out Rise makes for a dogshit rebuttal to any boomer claims.
I'm not a boomer, i'm a zoomer that doesn't like to be put on the same circle as post 2010's kids that were groomed by lgbt tumblr hells and proclaimed this board as theirs
projection
I'm not projecting, 4kids like these calarts were and still are a mistake
I don't see this comic lasting until issue two hundred. There's not much excitement even for Waltz story Armageddon Game and even then, it seems he's finished with the comic after that mini arc.
>Waltz
After finish The Last Ronin series. I feel like this comic is a bit overrated. Maybe IDW overplayed Peter and Kevin involvement. It started really strong but got worse with each issue.
Too many flashback.
Splinter is an idoit who agree to a second truce and send himself and Donnie to the enemny's trap.
Mikey said Karai still has "honor". Did he forget that Karai was the one who broke up the truce first and ambushed them?
Casey's daughter is a mutant because the turtles semen is radioactive.
"To Be Continued" ruined the end.
I would like to see this change. What if Mikey is eldest brother and Leo is the youngest brother. But Splinter still choose Leo as their leader. This caused growing tensions between Leo and the other brothers. Especially Raph.
Really any TMNT incarnations are doomed to be in 2012's shadow for a while. Viacom is still using those turtles for merchansising and theme parks 5 years after the show ended.
I hate the TMNT boomers that show up every time there's a new incarnation of the turtles. had to live through the 2k3 backlash, 2012 backlash, and now the Rise hate. Next incarnation people will be talking about how much they loved Rise or how it's underrated. wish i could have an actual discussion in the present instead of waiting until a series is dead.
can somebody explain to me how Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a failure with horrible ratings and Craig of the Creek is an ongoing success?
according to the new animated shows of 2018 data, it season 1 outperformed a lot of new cartoons.
CotC is a new IP, not a reboot.
The more accurate question would be why did Rise fail while Teen Titans Go became a success.
probably should have use Transformers: Cyberverse as a 2018 representation. It has 3 seasons on cartoon network and its rating was even more abysmal or Summer Camp Island it has 5 season now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Transformers:_Cyberverse_episodes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Summer_Camp_Island_episodes
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Can you provide any sources on the toy sales?i'm genuinely curious
What's your obsession with comparing it to Craig of the Creek? Compare its first season to 2012's first season. And a chart with two unlabeled axis and no source is pretty Sus, my dude. As the Rise Zoomers might say.
>no source
Are you blind? I just post it again anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Craig_of_the_Creek_episodes
Also comparing two show from two different timeliness won't give you accurate data because cable is a dying medium. CN and every other network standard for success is different than Nick. That network ignore the numbers and canceled so many shows.
Since you want to pretend it's impossible to look this up, I'll do it for you.
In Rise's first season the high point of viewers was 1.2 million, but as the season went on it trended toward the low point of 0.49 million. In 2012's first season the high point was 3.92 million and the low was 2.15. The lowest recorded viewership the 2012 show ever had was 0.93 million. And that was in July 2017, mere months before Rise came out. In Rise's first season it was repeatedly pulling in ratings that were about half the size of the lowest-rated 2012 episodes, which were VERY recent.
>The lowest recorded viewership the 2012 show ever had was 0.93 million. And that was in July 2017, mere months before Rise came out.
2012 ended in 2017 and Rise aired on 2018, the frick are you smoking? Get your facts right. Also >comparing 2012 and 2018 tv ratings
Gee, I wonder what could have changed in that period of time.
2017 is indeed mere months away from 2018. >Comparing 2012 and 2018 TV ratings
How about comparing 2017 and 2018 ratings? Like I did? The Final 2012 eps aired in November 2017 and brought in 0.96 mill viewers. The Rise premiere in July 2018 was 0.6 mill. It did bump up, but that's a definite "yikes" and when the upward bump proved to be decidedly unsteady, swinging back down, it's not a shock that Nick reached for the axe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> 2017 is indeed mere months away from 2018
Anon is not familiar with the concept of years it seems
Anon, that was BEFORE the Nicktoons move.
That was the REASON for the Nicktoons move.
It moved to Nicktoons in October 2019. It had been pulling in numbers like "0.49 million" in June, months earlier.
I don't like kicking people when they're down, but if someone goes to all the trouble to make charts trying to prove they were unjustly persecuted, I'm going to point out the great big massive holes in their logic. It was - before moving to Nicktoons - pulling in viewership around half of the low point for the TMNT show that just ended. Of course Nickelodeon panicked and pulled the plug. Maybe there were other factors, but it sure as frick shouldn't have been a surprise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It had been pulling in numbers like "0.49 million"
That's actually more numbers that shows on CN and Disney do, so I don't see how that's that bad. Also, it had ONE episode go that number, the rest were up on the 0.60 and 0.50. Nickelodeon barely advertising it didn't help.
TV and Nick changed in between 2012 and Rise, ignoring that to say "it failed" is disingenous when there's other factors at play here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>B...b...but other shows
We're not talking about other shows, we're talking about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, a powerhouse that's spawned five TV shows, 4+ comic series, a newspaper strip, an OAV, 6 movies in theaters, and frick knows how many toys and video games. They're not going to go "well it's doing better than Craig of the Creek" they're going to go "oh frick, we let these people make lots of changes and it's pulling in ratings around half the viewers that the last series ended on! Pull the plug as fast as possible before lasting damage is done to the IP!"
They weren't going to let their cash cow get tarnished.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How do you explain transformers having 3 seasons on cartoon network with lower rating than Craig and TMNT?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean it's not hard to explain. Transformers is owned by a different company that's less protective of the IP.
Viacom spent a shitload of money to buy TMNT and has Certain Expectations for it. The new show debuted to significantly lower ratings than the last show had wrapped up on, not at all long ago. They pulled the plug, preferring to let the IP cool down before trying another reboot, as opposed to risking tarnishing the IP. There's your explanation.
You do not have to like the explanation, but it's one that makes perfect sense. You weren't persecuted by clueless execs that hated the show for no reason. It was the latest incarnation of a franchise that was expected to bring in a lot of money, and it was performing worse than the last version right out of the gate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you aware that ever sequel series debut with lesser views than the previous because of the current state of cable television?
If every network treat their shows like Viacom, entertainment will be doom. Nicktoons only have one source of profit and can't achieve multiple sources because no sane creator want to work with them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Transformers is owned by a different company that's less protective of the IP.
They really don't treat it that differently than Viacom. >They pulled the plug, preferring to let the IP cool down before trying another reboot, as opposed to risking tarnishing the IP
Yes, and to avoid risking tarnishing the IP they hired Seth Rogen to make a movie where the turtles smoke weed and get horny. What TMNT fan is excited for that? There are more Rise fans than people looking forward to that movie. >You weren't persecuted by clueless execs that hated the show for no reason.
It literally was
Give it a rest. "A drop" is something to be expected. The first season of the "hot" new show pulling in numbers well below the low point of the "stale" show just a few months earlier?
I'm not trying to kick fans of a canceled show, I'm not defending hiring Seth Rogan or claiming Viacom or anything. But going "but what about Craig of the Creek?" is ridiculous. And going "no, it literally was persecuted for no reason by Clueless Execs" is ridiculous. The show scared Viacom because they approved a new TMNT show thinking it's see a BUMP in views above what the 2012 show had been pulling in near the end, and they got the exact opposite. That's why the plug got pulled. It's damn straightforward.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> But going "but what about Craig of the Creek?" is ridiculous
Not really, it makes more sense since both are modern cartoons in an age where TV is dying and as such is an apt comparison for ratings, more than an older show where cable was more relevant. Rise S1 blowing out literally every modern DTVA and CN show out the water proves it had a bigger audience than you think. Sorry you’re wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah dude, the first season of Rise of the TMNT settled into a groove of pulling in about half the views of the last of the last series, which ended just a year earlier. That's what's going to stand out to studio execs, not how well it was doing in comparison to Molly of Denali or something.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Funny how you seem to keep glossing over the difference between tv ratings over the years as if they haven’t died down. Also funny how you insist on a disproven point and refuse to accept the relevance of competing animation. Just all around a funny guy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>disproven point
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, November 2017: 0.96 M viewers. Season 5.
ROTTMNT, February 2019: 0.55 M viewers. Season 1.
That's the only point that matters, and those are cold hard numbers. Yes, cable was dying, but not at such a fast pace that those numbers can be dismissed as just an artifact from what was happening to cable. Viacom were trying a new TMNT, expecting that at least initially it would pull in more viewers than 2012 had been bringing in near the end. Instead it quickly reached a point where it was WELL below the lowest point of 2012's viewership. That's why it got axed. You can say it was unfair, but you sure as frick can't pretend it was inexplicable.
Deal with it or do not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Yes, cable was dying, but not at such a fast pace that those numbers can be dismissed as just an artifact from what was happening to cable
You have no idea about the state of TV then. Why do you think streaming is a big thing now, you think networks would need that if TV is doing well? Your obsession with ratings while glossing over the changes through the years is baffling.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the years
Anon, it was about a year and 3 months spare change. That's a small enough chunk of time that ratings getting slashed to about half is going to raise every red flag there is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> That's a small enough chunk of time that ratings getting slashed to about half is going to raise every red flag there is.
And yet it was enough time to slash the ratings of almost every tv program on the market. Funny that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2017 tv rating for animation average around a million views you truly don't know how fast cable is dying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> That's why it got axed. You can say it was unfair, but you sure as frick can't pretend it was inexplicable.
The official word is that the shift in execs is what got it axed, not ratings. So deal with it or not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The official word
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your theories vs the word of people involved. Deal with it or not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the word of people involved
[citation needed]
Short of execs coming out and saying in a press release "it was canceled because we had a change in personnel, not ratings or sales or anything" anything you're going to come across is someone's spin on the cancelation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You keep ignoring 2012 was the first new tmnt animated series since 2003 and it gave it a huge boost.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He is also ignoring that 2012 TMNT wasn't the highest rated animated show made in 2012.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Transformers is owned by a different company that's less protective of the IP.
They really don't treat it that differently than Viacom. >They pulled the plug, preferring to let the IP cool down before trying another reboot, as opposed to risking tarnishing the IP
Yes, and to avoid risking tarnishing the IP they hired Seth Rogen to make a movie where the turtles smoke weed and get horny. What TMNT fan is excited for that? There are more Rise fans than people looking forward to that movie. >You weren't persecuted by clueless execs that hated the show for no reason.
It literally was
Anyone have the post the creators made where they said they did a better incarnation than everyone else and that they're different because they made the show about family and that other shows were already "biting their style"
Saw the trailer and I am excited, specially since it's literally the day I come back from vacation, I wished RoTMNT got more than the 2 seasons but just like glitch techs new management made sure it would never happen. On the bright side I defiantly gotta say Rise grew on me from it early to it's finish as I wasn't a huge fan of Raph as 'the leader' or being turning into the big strong stupid guy troupe(loved these designs tho, had some real flare in my eyes from the day they were announced), and the whole Black April thing took time for me to enjoy but after I saw how different she was I adjusted since she wasn't just black for the sake of it and feels like a whole different character(better than 2012 that's for sure); I did actually enjoy Cassandra as a character and had no problems with her being Rise's Cassie since, just like April, she was so stylish and district I came to fully associate her with Rise. Rise feels like that second stand out TMNT for me next to 2003 making it stand super nice.
I think the movie's not only looking great but it's looking pretty balanced out plot wise since hey early nerf the turtles o but em back on street to wall level.
Yes, I brought up 2012 because I honestly don't like it that much and am still semi upset that it went on for so long but Rise could barely last more than 2-ish years in it's base run, would have loved for Rise to get it's own crossover with past turtles akin to Turtles forever.
>2012 TMNT
Only the first, second seasons and Season 4 finale are worth it. "Owari" episodes might be the first time that Viacom has allowed the Turtles can kill villains.
>They wanted to cement the idea that the turtles are "Super Heroes" in some thematic level.
Anon, they literally started off as a Daredevil parody. That's what they ALWAYS were.
Viacom in general could've been great for the turtles with their resources. Their biggest problem is they made TMNT specifically a Nickolodeon property. That means media has to fit within Nick's very narrow parameters for kid's media. And Nick has generally been the worst network for kid's media for the last 20 years; they only want specific kinds of cartoons to thrive, and even cartoons that try to do otherwise have to pander to that. Its also one of many, many properties they have, so they have no rush to continue to market it or make a stream of new media when they can just market the old shows for a decade. People say rise was too soon, but I doubt we'll get a full TMNT cartoon in the next 5 years. This is a network that will market shows that ended 16 years ago with 2 seasons as Nicktoons still. they can coast off 2012 and the faux 80's toon marketing art for years.
For all the hate people give Laird for being narrowminded or controlling, he really wanted to push the franchise and keep it viable. He didn't want it to just be a nostalgia brand. But that's what Nick wants out of TMNT.
This. TMNT is a franchise that only works when there's a hiatus between shows so it has time to relax so the next one will both attract a new audience and the old fans.
This. TMNT is a franchise that only works when there's a hiatus between shows so it has time to relax so the next one will both attract a new audience and the old fans.
Are people really that sensitive over new entries of known franchises? Japan has multiple franchises with new iterations starting right after the last one ends and they do fine. It's more content of the property people love, I don't see why it's an issue in the west.
What works for one franchise won’t necessarily work for another. Most notably, sentai/KR characters usually change for new entrees, as well as themes and powers.
>TFW the franchise is so fricked right now that Playmates, possibly the most hilariously incompetent company in history that should've folded as soon as Rise bombed, is now resorting to crossovers that make no sense at all like Cobra Kai, Street Fighter, and fricking Stranger Things.
Also I'm expecting the turtles, or at the very least Raph and Don due to Mike and Leo being in NASB, to guest star in Multiversus.
>Also I'm expecting the turtles, or at the very least Raph and Don due to Mike and Leo being in NASB, to guest star in Multiversus.
Would be hilarious if true. Just like how Multiversus mogged NASB's Reptar by getting actual factual Godzilla, it mogs again by having the better turtles.
>Also I'm expecting the turtles, or at the very least Raph and Don due to Mike and Leo being in NASB, to guest star in Multiversus.
Would be hilarious if true. Just like how Multiversus mogged NASB's Reptar by getting actual factual Godzilla, it mogs again by having the better turtles.
Even better if they're the Rise and 2012 versions which would add another level of variety to them beyond just the 80s wank
>Even better if they're the Rise and 2012 versions which would add another level of variety to them beyond just the 80s wank
Multiversus' monetization model involves elaborate alternate skins, sometimes fully voiced, so if they wanted to they could get playable Turtles from every continuity all with their own lines and interactions.
It's the truth though. Playmates got so rattled by Rise's frick up that they've basically wrapped themselves up in "here please buy nostalgia we're sorry"
I know it's somewhat hypocritical of me to say this but it really does seem like TMNT's fandoms lived in harmony until 03 guys started hitting posting age.
Because you weren't there, 80's kids were shitting on the 2k3 series since before Cinemaphile. This board shat on 2012 when it came out until the haters got bored and only fans remained. If you go on technodrome it's basically lorded over by two boomer Mirage fans who fancy themselves tougher guys than they really are. The recent wave of backlash onCinemaphile is mainly due to one 03 spammer.
And I'm like 70% sure the spammer is also on Technodrome. Stopped posting there when it became apparent it was a smug circlejerk between longterm posters that may as well have been on Cinemaphile from the way they behaved. I'll put up with that shit from "Anonymous" but not from someone with a "forum signature" longer than almost any of his posts.
Pretty much, 90% of the forums are Andrew something, the guy who does the TMNT fan comics who's such a purist he thinks 2k3 is too different and patronizes anyone who likes elements introduced in later series. Then there's the guy with some wrestling avatar who just acts like an butthole. And a bunch of other old zombies.
>Leo's finally forced to really take charge
That's neat. I actually kinda like this dynamic where Leo is clearly the most qualified to be the leader but also genuinely just doesn't fricking want to be the leader.
Queer fans spamming doesn’t count, otherwise Owlshit wouldn’t have gotten cancelled.
And good that Catra has so little, she doesn’t deserve to be remembered. Adora sucks too but not as much.
That’s from queers and actual fans since the only gay relationship in the show is between a worm and a hippo. Compared to she ra and the princess of abuse defenders and owlshit where it really is just 20 year old lesbians simping for 2 underage girls and that’s it
With ROTTMNT the Venn Diagram between "queers" and "actual fans" sure looks like a circle. Hell, even the show's ART STAFF were drawing incest turtle fujoshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How would you know? You wouldn’t happen to be that big of a loser to check twitter bios of fans of a show you don’t like, right?
[...]
Viacom in general could've been great for the turtles with their resources. Their biggest problem is they made TMNT specifically a Nickolodeon property. That means media has to fit within Nick's very narrow parameters for kid's media. And Nick has generally been the worst network for kid's media for the last 20 years; they only want specific kinds of cartoons to thrive, and even cartoons that try to do otherwise have to pander to that. Its also one of many, many properties they have, so they have no rush to continue to market it or make a stream of new media when they can just market the old shows for a decade. People say rise was too soon, but I doubt we'll get a full TMNT cartoon in the next 5 years. This is a network that will market shows that ended 16 years ago with 2 seasons as Nicktoons still. they can coast off 2012 and the faux 80's toon marketing art for years.
For all the hate people give Laird for being narrowminded or controlling, he really wanted to push the franchise and keep it viable. He didn't want it to just be a nostalgia brand. But that's what Nick wants out of TMNT.
[...]
Are people really that sensitive over new entries of known franchises? Japan has multiple franchises with new iterations starting right after the last one ends and they do fine. It's more content of the property people love, I don't see why it's an issue in the west.
from what I learned the 2012 series had to do a lot to get what it wanted to get done as nick wanted a comedy
The toys sucked and wouldn't sell.
They were cheaply made and fell apart, so no one bought them.
Lets face it, if toys sell it doesn't mater what the ratings are.
But no toys meant that Rise was sunk
Short of execs coming out and saying in a press release "it was canceled because we had a change in personnel, not ratings or sales or anything" anything you're going to come across is someone's spin on the cancelation.
Data on toy sales is damn rare, and just occasionally slipped into press releases when the company WANTS to talk about how good things were selling. Almost any time someone tells you about toy sales they're guessing. With the Rise toys we just know that it was dead by wave 2. That certainly looks bad, but it's not hard numbers.
All modern toys suck, even someone who worked on TMNT 2012 and Rise of TMNT named JJ Conway said so. I don't even know what toys kids play with now, I just assume they just play videogames.
You know Leo don't deserves to be a carefree guy and happy ending, only more darkness and torment awaits him. I'd like to see them torture Leo more in the new series.
Art of Master Leonardo from the future where Raph and Donnie were killed at some point and that Casey is traveling back in time to prevent. Trailer makes it seem like he gives his life at the last second to ensure Casey makes it through the portal, which Mikey may have used everything he had left to create. Honestly really digging the prosthetic arm designed in Raph's honor and the fact that he keeps both of their bandanas tied to the hilt of his one remaining katana.
Rise of tmnt would have been received well if they never made Raph the leader or replaced April with a Black person. I say this as someone who enjoyed the show. I kinda like raph being the leader for this one iteration though. Also if they wanted a minority April should’ve been Japanese American.
Do people honestly watch TMNT for April? When they gave her a staring role in one of shows, the forums and wiki had to actively police the catalogs with how much hate her 2012 version generated.
>April should’ve been Japanese American.
Hell fricking no. Her being American always matches the urban feel of the series and doesn't make her easily mistaken for Karai.
>or replaced April with a Black person.
Only racists got bothered by it and coomers were only angry she was a kid again and not the adult with big boobs and big ass.
It looks very cool!
This version of the characters is based on the 2014 movie, right?
It seems to be pointless. I've also never seen the appeal of these characters.
>This version of the characters is based on the 2014 movie, right?
No, it's based on the most recent animated series, which was also titled "Rise of the TMNT", that ran from 2018 to 2020. The show took a few design cues from the Platinum Dunes films, but it was its own continuity.
>I've also never seen the appeal of these characters.
A team of heroes who are a family, are ninjas with cool weapons, distinct personalities, have an extensive rogues gallery of both humans and mutants, can adapt to any setting from street level to intergalactic, any tone from grittiness to slapstick, etc. It's right up there with Batman in terms of adaptability.
>It's right up there with Batman in terms of adaptability.
no
Huh, surprised this did well enough to get a movie. Looks cool actually.
Anime and spider-verse success encouraged them to make their own faux anime. if only in the west creative people could do their thing. Like Miyazaki, Anno, Hosoda, Yuasa and etc...
they greenlit Season 2 & this movie right before Season 1 and the toyline-sales didn't do as well as Nickelodeon wanted.
they announced RotTMNT in March 2018, months before we even knew what Spider-Verse looked like at all.
>did well
The original contract was for "two seasons and a movie." This is literally just them getting what was in the original contract.
Wrong actualy. The movie came later from a Netflix - Viacom deal for movie content.
Wrong, actually. The VERY original contract was for one season but before the first season even came out they signed another contract for another season and a movie. Since they did that before anything even aired I'd still file that under "original contract," since it was unaffected by any ratings.
Great, more trash with horrible animation.
Another fricking idiot who confuses art style with animation.
I hate turtles, not necessarily these ones specifically mind you but turtles in general. Vile, awful creatures that are always trying to frick my shoes. I hope at least one of these fricking things dies by the end
t.
>"Who needs ninja skills when you've got a gun?"
Well, ninjas are about using latest technology, deception and stealth. With the exception of stealth, Shredder follows basics to the bone.
Visually it looks great as expected from Rise.
It looks cheap.
I like it, I'm always down for some krang shenanigans
Thanks anon i was waiting for this i loved rise but i was worried they would cancel the movie
Ah i get it so the Casey of this universe is a girl because they wanted her to have a son that would become more similar to the other Casey Jones except this one gets to be a time traveler
IIRC Foot Recruit was only made Cassandra "Casey" Jones when the crew realize that they were not getting a third season and as such would otherwise be the only TMNT cartoon without some version of Casey. That’s why there’s no foreshadowing to her true identity until the second half of season 2 and what is there is VERY minor.
I hate that she's not in this. Just feels like they needed to get a Casey Jones to make the fanbase happy...even though this show JUST HAD ONE.
What makes you think she’s not in this? The Casey Jones in this trailer is from the FUTURE after all and he sorta looks like her. I bet we’ll going to find out he’s named after his mom.
There was foreshadowing, iirc she had hockey posters in her room. It just wasn’t hinted at overtly because for some reason they held it off as a big reveal
This. Fricking pussies needed to go all the fricking way if they were going to do this. Now they give us a time traveling male Casey Jones. Well maybe I wanted to see Cassandra in a hockey mask, ever think about that Nick? Fricking moronic.
>IIRC
Oh, did your Uncle at Nick tell you this?
How was the show itself? I never got around top watching it yet.
Bad. the ten people who watched only remember the ''sakuga''
It's ruined by the fact all the brothers have the same personality and that personality is Michael's
well, leonardo is no longer the straight-man leader and they made him more sarcastic/jokey, which makes his dynamic in the team to similar to mickey. Ralph is also playing the typical dumb ass comic relief which is also a mikey adjacent trait. I will say that Donnie is the least offensive in this regard but I am biased cause i dislike 2012 and the bayfilms making him a passive nerd type.
This is suck... 2023 movie make Donnie a loser nerd again. The turtles designs are just plain goofy. Donnie with glasses, Leo with braces, the turtles are all way too scrawny. A lot of the people in charge of TMNT for the past too decade are way too obsessed with making them like real teenagers when they arent. The turtles were raised differently and have always acted more like adults because of their upbringing under a sensei.
He could be more mature but I still hope Rise Leo doesn't lose his trickster type. Make him like Dante from DMC.
Yeah I'm expecting more people looking back fondly to Rise after the Seth Rogen movie comes out. It's gonna be what people thought Rise would be.
>bro we're GREEN
>You know what else is green?
frick
oh god what
After his Elf movie frick up, I am not sure he can stop.
>DAE le cuhrahzay turtles?
Frick off, ESL Cinemaphileermin.
Can't the same be said about the original cartoon for being comedy focus?
I'm not really big on the og series but from what I can remember that still had somewhat more distinct despite looking so similar visually. Leo was still the straight man, Ralph was kinda serious/sarcastic with his brooklyn accent and mickey was more laid back surfer bro but I can't remember anything about donnie besides machine. You may be right about them essentially playing out as the same character but they felt distinct enough. But the main problem really stems from leo and mickey both being tricksters/showoff types and at least from season 1 there doesn't seem to be a difference in maturity level or skill between them. But this movies looks good in that its setting up leo to take charge of the TMNT and being more mature, which really separates him from mickey
Leo is sassy, Mikey is Moe
I thought donnie was the sassy one
donnie is the narcissist
>and that personality is Michael's
You're such a bad TMNT fan you can't even call him by his real name.
it's great
You only watched the nostalgia critic review
This guy only watched the Nostalgia Critic review
Yeah ok homosexual because god forbid human sized, teenaged mutants act like teenagers and have to be all fricking grim dark all the fricking time.
>MUH FUN
kys
Only Mirage and Image. Others TMNT series are still childish to me.
The Image ones acted the most like actual teenagers, especially in Savage Dragon. The rest just act like cutesy pretend teenagers, especially the Nick stuff.
>The rest just act like cutesy pretend teenagers, especially the Nick stuff.
>cutesy
More like a bunch of moronic
Leonardo is the Sarcastic butthole (Al-a Rapheal from the 90's)
Rapheal is the lovable big brother who wants to keep his brothers happy
Mikey is the artistic, lovable, to pure for this world younger brother and donny....
DONNY IS DONNY.
Mikey is pure of heart, dumb and easy going.
Rise Leo is easy going but not dumb and completely impure of heart.
Rise Raph has a big heart but is dumb and always stressed out.
Rise Donnie has none of that.
They’re not 5 Mikeys.
It's really fun.
It's great, lots of personality and very dynamic action animation. People will cry about it being too different but as the fourth cartoon in this franchise's history a mix-up was due.
pretty fun, personalities take some getting used to since they leaned in to the teenage part quite a bit. interesting take on the mythos with Saki and Hamato, decent OCs, pretty great emotional beats when it gets serious.
I think its 11 min episode format hampered it that they had to up the zany antics as a comedy
>I think its 11 min episode format hampered it that they had to up the zany antics as a comedy
This is the main issue, I think. Any time they got a full 22 minutes to play around with the show absolutely starts throwing it's weight around.
Terrible outside of the animation
Zoomers loved it, boomers mald that April wasn't white in a banana suit
I think the animation is the only objectivelly good thing about it. Anyone saying "it isn't TMNT" is missing the point entirely, as TMNT has looked like a lot of things before, and I'd argue 2003 TMNT did TMNT but anime before this one did, this one is just the modern anime style of high energy action, and it does it well. If more cartoons in the west at least animate half as good as this did, I wouldn't be thinking the western animation world is dead just yet.
>Zoomers loved it
false
>Zoomers loved it
It was literally cancelled during its initial production order. No large group of people loved this show. I'd hazard a guess that no large amount of people are even aware it exists.
It's good, but makes old men seeth.
And makes kids watch something else, apparently.
thanks for proving anon's point old man
I didn't even hate it, but its failure tells you all you need to know. I saw 80's kids seethe at 03, 80's and 03 kids seethe at 2012, and both were still long running successes. A TMNT cartoons lives or dies by kids. Rise was more popular with fujo types who didn't really care about the franchise before it. unfortunately those aren't the type to buy cheap retail toys.
noone buys toys anymore, its all about video games. thats why action shows in particular is not as profitable or widespread. Its why cartoons has become increasingly a girl space in the past decade.
>but its failure tells you all you need to know
It specifically got cancelled because Nickelodeon had new execs that wanted to change things. I honestly don't think it did any worse than some of TMNT 2012 low points, and that show went on for like 5 seasons because the execs wanted to milk TMNT for all it's worth, even when the ratings for that show sucked.
This argument is silly.
It's own by Nick and objectively had higher rating than shows by cartoon network and Disney in 2018. TMNT 2012 didn't die instantly for not being SpongeBob becuase it was a freshly new bought IP. This argument don't represent the show quality and Korra was sent to nicktoon hell even if it had a higher rating than 2012 TMNT.
The ratings STARTED strong, while it was riding on 2012's coattails. If I remember right it initially had ratings higher than the last bits of 2012. People were excited to see this new TMNT!
And then the ratings nosedived so hard they shunted it to Channel Ocho and slashed the number of eps in the second season budget (they probably would have outright canceled it, but they had a contract). That's not to say that it was a TOTAL bomb, but it was not sustaining the viewership that Viacom had come to expect from TMNT. They'd hoped to repeat 2012's success. Nothing doing.
I am referring to season 1 of rise average rating compare to Cartoon Network series. Craig of the Creek never achieved 1 million views and Rise had at least 6 episodes that had 1 million views.
Craig got 5 seasons and is considered a success, rise was cut in half and send into the sister network for not being spongebob. Nick have a history of mistreating their shows.
Yes, Rise had at least 6 eps with a million views. It's TMNT, of course it did. What stood out to the execs is that the new TMNT show started strong then began hemorrhaging viewers. People tuned in wanting TMNT, and tuned out because they didn't get what they were wanting.
Now even at its lowest ratings it was doing better compared to many shows, but it's TMNT, a proven franchise. How well it does gets compared to previous versions of TMNT, not to Craig of the Creek.
Well, that and the toys weren't selling. Only made it to wave two, which is considered pathetic.
Sure, that too. But the ratings trending HARSHLY downward was a red flag that this wasn't a problem that could be easily fixed. If the ratings are good and the merch is doing poorly, you know you need different merch. If your ratings are in a death spiral and your merch isn't selling, you know you fricked up.
>What stood out to the execs is that the new TMNT show started strong then began hemorrhaging viewers
That literally didn't matter to them, as pointed out already it was dead the moment the new management showed up and wanted their own turtles.
>its failure tells you all you need to know
It didn't even fail, because failure implies it was given a chance. It died strictly because of a CEO change, along with Glitch Techs. It was never going to last more than 2 seasons regardless of quality.
This, it was all the fault of the new execs who wanted to can it for the sake of Seth Rogen's turtles, which looks even worse than the worst of rise
See? We got an old man seething right here.
You're on Cinemaphile anon. A home where everyone has shed tears for shows they loved that failed to click with the money-maker kiddos. You will need a better argument than "i-it didn't sell enough for 5 seasons!"
>You will need a better argument than "i-it didn't sell enough for 5 seasons!"
2 seasons
Yeah, its the biggest bomb of any of the series, unless you count that one live action attempt
It's great as a show you can just kick back and have fun with every now and then. Surprisingly has the best version of Splinter despite having the worst design of him.
I'm so sick of this disingenuous bullshit. That's like saying the 80s turtles are just 4 Mikey's, something Turtles Forever tried to peddle and got rightfully called out for.
>Surprisingly has the best version of Splinter despite having the worst design of him.
I am not sure if hes the best but I adore rise splinter. His character of being thrust into the Hamato's duty and his disenfranchisement of it after loss making him follow a more hedonistic view, his body dysphoria about his mutation that makes the scenes of him watching his old movies hit differently on re watch. His reluctance to involve the turtles into the Hamato's troubles and subsequent acquiescence when he realizes that his putting off his duty has finally bitten them all in the ass.I like how well rounded he is. Also his relationship with the turtles and Draxum in general.
In later episodes Rise Splinter became one of my favorite Incarnation of Splinter. Unlike 2012 Splinter. 2012 Splinter was great in early episodes until the writers try to kill him many times.
Slow at first but grows on you and has its own charm.
It's honestly the first time a TMNT show felt like it was made by intelligent and competent staff instead of feeling like something that appeals only to virgins/sweaty kinda geeks.
This is your average rise fan who only likes Rise.
2012 was literally done by actual fans of the property and 2003 was the only good thing to ever come out of 4kids.
Rise fans have brainrot.
Yeah, that is why 2012 was brainless pandering and bad injokes that only make sense in Ciro's head and why 2003 was still boring to normal people. Because being the best among 4kids' roster is still being pretty bad.
Sorry your taste is bad. Coulda been different.
>Because being the best among 4kids' roster is still being pretty bad.
2003 Turtles is up there with Batman TAS, Godzilla TAS, and Spiderman TAS for me. Frankly I'm sorry you have shit taste and need your ADD riddled flashy junk with a Black person April and dyke genderswapped Casey for diversity
>Comparing Godzilla to Batman TAS
>Comparing Spiderman TAS aka John Semper's diarrhea to Batman TAS
You are mentally moronic even ignoring your bad taste in Turtle media. What a sad sight.
I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods just to reference "le escape from new york". Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The 80s show to me is made not for kids, but by people who hate kids. Specially knowing the equally lazy staff it shared with the Transformers show.
>I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods
I think you underestimate kids. But that's besides the point; regardless if you think kids wouldn't like them they were still written with kids in mind, not some imaginary nerd in your head.
I'd believe you if it were the occasional nostalgia nod, but 2013 was nostalgia nods all the god damn time. To the point where even original characters with potential like Dogpound would get sidelined just so Ciro could focus on the return of nostalgiabait.
>I can't imagine a single child that would give a flying shit about boring slow episodes set in the woods just to reference "le escape from new york".
That's the point, this arc is supposed to give the Turtles interesting character moments. It's a change of pace from the city, it's slower, but it's comfy which is juxtaposed with how it usually happens after the Turtles suffer a horrible defeat. Not everything needs to be some action packed episode. I'd argue such an arc is essential for the literary hero's journey of the turtles.
Also great to have Leo and Raph show how much they care for one another.
I'm not saying it's not an effective "story step", but I think it is definitely one that shows they wanted to titilate hardcore nerds specifically. Hell that string episodes even did the "Splinter apparition in the fire" bit.
I like the 2012 arc but notice it only happened after 2 seasons. I bet Rise could have had one of those if the show was given more episodes, but it was cut short.
Rise and TMNT 2012 actually have similar tones for the first two seasons, 2012 only got really dark, dramatic and intense starting from season 3. I think fans of that version often forget that.
cringe
>just to reference "le escape from new york".
The farmhouse stuff is just part of TMNT at this point. The beloved 1990 movie sealed it in and only a handful of adaptations don't use it. You can call 2k3 doing it a homage since they specifically adapted issues from that setting, but with 2012 doing it now its no more a reference than the Batsignal in batman is a reference to the old serials that originated it. Its just another setting/thing in the TMNT franchise, no more a reference than Karai existing is a reference to Mirage, or the Krang name is a reference to the 80's show.
>the only good thing to ever come out of 4kids.
Pokemon and all the music they produced
The Ultimate Muscle Dub
4kids produced the best intros and best dubs for all the animes they worked on, including the original japanese.
nice b8 m8
I felt the opposite; the 80's show, 03, and 2012 all felt like they were being made for kids. Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators. I'd almost argue that's part of the appeal for fans. The show feels cobbled together from stuff the staff liked and wanted to try doing.
The problem I have with rise is the opposite. they are talented people making garbage. i hope they start doing web-animations
>Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators
By that logic I could say 2012 was made just for horror fans and weebs with the amount of anime and horror movie references it had as part of it's core identity and visual style. That's a non-argument that glosses over the actual content of the show.
Rise is the most kid friendly TMNT since the original, in fact that's why people got pissed at it, they wanted more serious and dark turtles (which Rise eventually had as well, but people couldn't wait because they're impatient losers). Don't give me this false narrative that it's not for kids.
>Rise is the most kid friendly TMNT since the original
cope
>cope
how the frick is saying it's a kid friendly series a cope? You people always moan about Rise being too kiddy, and now you say it's not kiddy enough? The fricking goalposts man, so desperate.
all TMNT is kid friendly
the argument was
>the 80's show, 03, and 2012 all felt like they were being made for kids. Rise was on the surface but felt like it was being made for a clique of self referencing 20-something animators.
As if Rise wasn't being made for kids, which you seem to agree is a stupid statement.
different anon,moron
well you're also a moron so you can excuse my confussion
well it's the complaint in this thread right now
>2012 was all about making them sarcastic teenagers with humor like other Nicktoons
That's literally what Rise also did
moron
Mirage comics would like a word with you
obviously I'm talking about the Cartoons
Mirage is usually hard PG-13 at worst they're not that edgy, on same level as big two mainline books.
reddit
But Mirage turtles always act like adults.
>IDW TMNT
>After 100 issues
Making them act like cliche teens already sucks. Worst of all, they now look like teens from Netflix original teen drama with a furry overlay. Also I don't understand why Campbell hate Casey so much?
The main complaints weren't about it being kid friendly, were about it being too different from previous versions of tmnt, as far as the main cast goes.
2003 and 12 pander the frick to kids. 03 aimed to make them look cool and shonen anime and give them big cool vehicles and extreme sports vehicles to work as toys and videogames. 2012 was all about making them sarcastic teenagers with humor like other Nicktoons. They both very much fit trends of what kids watched at the time.
Rise on the other hand feels more like it was trying to mimic really witty and fastpaced internet humor that millenials/early zoomers love. You can argue kids like that too given the popularity of youtube and tiktok, but kids don't necessarily want action shows in that format, given the popularity of anime. Even the emotional elements feel more like they were made for the women on the staff than kids.
>Even the emotional elements feel more like they were made for the women on the staff than kids.
Incel hands wrote this
Rise has better humor than MCU but that chip tracker joke is pretty basic
>Incel hands wrote this
Cry incel all you want, doesn't change the fact that the particular bad dad/desperate kids who want approval has been a go-to dynamic for fangirl writers since the zine days. "The turtles are all desperate for a hug from Splinter" is the kind of joke you'd see on tumblr.
>doesn't change the fact that the particular bad dad/desperate kids who want approval has been a go-to dynamic for fangirl writers since the zine days.
Women are also more attracted to romance, does that mean any romantic story in any piece of media is meant to appeal to women and that romance cannot exist for men?
As I said, incel mentality, emotions don't only exist for women.
>Women are also more attracted to romance, does that mean any romantic story in any piece of media is meant to appeal to women and that romance cannot exist for men?
yes
Alright, you just undermined one of the most classic genres of storytelling ever. Guess Shakespere was aiming for Tumblr back in the day when he wrote Romeo and Juliet.
Dumbass incel
>Guess Shakespere was aiming for Tumblr back in the day when he wrote Romeo and Juliet.
true
Romance isn't inherently for women, but there are different approaches to it that can change the kind of audience its meant for.
Compare Rise's "splinter is a bad dad" humor with something like John K's father figures in Ren and Stimpy. There's more of a soft cutesyness to Rise's way of doing it, where as Ren and stimpy plays it up more for straight humor and there's no attempt at making it seem sweet in the end.
I'm not even saying one is better than the other, just that Rise feels more like its attempting to appeal to the sort of audience than wants these relationships to have more substance, but also some (safe) drama, which is really often more fangirls than little kids.
I'd argue it's more that even the shitty writers of Rise knew they couldn't make Splinter a 100% bad father and still have any old viewers. As it stands they still did shitty math for calculating how much they could change and still attract existing TMNT fans.
>Compare Rise's "splinter is a bad dad" humor with something like John K's father figures in Ren and Stimpy. There's more of a soft cutesyness to Rise's way of doing it
But why is that just for women though? And it's a joke, it's meant to be funny, not emotional
They never planned on making Splinter a bad father dumbass
>But why is that just for women though? And it's a joke, it's meant to be funny, not emotional
Its not necessarily just for women, but its the type of humor very commonly enjoyed by fangirls.All the "Splinter sucks as a dad" stuff all builds up to Splinter finally being a good dad and an emotional moment between them all.
>but its the type of humor very commonly enjoyed by fangirls
fangirls commonly enjoy a lot of things though, I don't see why it should be lesser for anyone other than fangirls to enjoy something just because they like it as well.
>All the "Splinter sucks as a dad" stuff all builds up to Splinter finally being a good dad and an emotional moment between them all.
That's just character development
it's more TMNT than you'll ever know boomer
Anon said they made him a bad father but they made it soft and pulled their punches with him, so the show was for girls. To which I pointed out that they really COULDN'T make him a thoroughly a bad father without alienating existing fans.
Was there ever a moment where they considered making him just a bad father full stop? Dunno. Maybe? But the fact that he had softer edges doesn't make it a show for girls, just a show by people who knew they couldn't make a 100% bad father out of Splinter.
rat tiddies
Its the Teen Titan's Go of Turtles but with actually competent animation with good characters and no constant need to reference fans
Has anyone here actually SEEN Go? Because it's fricking nothing like Rise.
no one watched rise and no one watched go.
you know what Cinemaphile actually watches? terrible cartoons as i continue to see star vs, adventure time and steven universe threads hit bump limit years after it ended.
actually im not done.
The only thing Rise of tmnt has in common with teen titans go is a few of the background artist started out doing stuff for cn which does include go and ALSO INCLUDES the original teentitans show.
They basically did a tribute to the mad mod chase. the show is more like the 2003 show that what people groan about existing now.
And for the homosexuals that have to default to japanese animation to describe this show, whatever you think this looks like that thing is from one of the biggest westaboo studios in that country. where else do you think they got their sharp styled cartoonie action shit from? sure as frick wasnt their own country. id say go back to calling the studio shit like the rest of the weebs in recent years but after the announcement last week they probably already forgot why they wanted to hate mob the studio in the first place.
Shit taste
Sakuga fans have low standards, but it's not exactly bad taste.
I dont think anyone but you cares about that term which is why you justify it as the only thing people like about this show and absolutely nothing else.
Cinemaphile gets their fair share of crossover homosexuals that spam nothing but webms from that booru and what they define as well animated is the most effect filled cgi backgrounded garbage ive ever seen.
do i want to bet money you're the same homosexual that aggressively pins the monkeykid threads for being about toys? no but these threads already get enough same toned shitposters
Really silly childish stories with great animation
Fricking kino. Writing is pretty goofy, but naturally it gets more serious towards the end.
Superficially good. The animation and choreography is very ambitious and heart pounding. That aside, really forgettable dudebro shit tier writing and the art style is bad from time to time.
You’ll only see people post sakuga and yaoi headcanon stuff. That’s it.
Great.
Theres a lot of woke 2000s in it, such as making April a brown and Casey a woman
Bullshit, Making april black wasn't woke it was them trying to get free marketing from that black youtuber who loved the shit out of 2012, so of course he didn't watch rise at all
Gender bending Casey is not woke either she is still a fun moron like all the other caseys, The real problem was the fricking horrible first reveal that made the show look way more woke i remember articles saying shit like
>New TMNT has black april and the turtles eat vegan pizza could one of the turles be gay?
everyone went apeshit because to be honest the character designs only look good in motion, during the initial reveal all they showed was character illustrations in the most boring poses ever specially april, Fricking name anithing woke about it that isn't black april or female casey who doesn't even count now that we are getting a male casey
No TMNT fans cares about the useless human that is April. Who the frick will watch a show about ninja turtle and find a side character the most important?
Remember when April was the strongest main character in TMNT history? Remember when Donnie and Casey were spineless simp that worship her? This is considered peak TMNT by the way.
>that one anon who keeps defending 2012 April.
>hey look at the scene where the whole point was her going evil from power overdose, the writers sure were trying to make her a powerful hero, total Mary Sue stuff amirite?
Never change, Cinemaphile.
Unless we're talking about getting better, in which case change a LOT.
> where the whole point was her going evil from power overdose
Which went nowhere and still relies on April being a special child, compared to every other incarnation where she’s just a girl. Even Rise April only gets mystic bat at the end, and a lot of her best attacks don’t even come from her but of someone else helping her
>In every other version she's just a girl
Yeah, and she generally falls off the map. The only versions where they found a way to keep her around were (1) the OG cartoon, where the had Lois Lane powers to find out news and get captured, and (2) 2012, where the Krangs wanted to harvest her mutant brain.
The whole "alien crystal made her overpowered" plot was stupid, but it was about temporarily making her a villain. She got bumped down to minor league mindpower stuff after losing the crystal. How is that hard to get? You're going "they made her overpowered" for the couple of episodes where, yeah, she was overpowered due to temporary villainy. You can say much the same about lots of "good guys" that became evil temporarily. Evil tends to come with a power boost. And a neat black alt-costume.
> Yeah, and she generally falls off the map
She didn’t in Rise without giving her special powers, so I don’t see why 2012 had to go so hard on it.
>She didn't in Rise
That is some amazing self delusion. She was in only about half the eps, and the eps where she DID appear it was often just for a few seconds, like showing her reaction back at home to something going on in the city. They never bothered filling in details like how she even met the brothers. She was barely even ON the map in the first place, nevermind falling off it.
>she was in half the episodes
Good enough, solid way of utilizing a character without overexploiting her. She was still present in all the big battles and events of the story and fit in well.
>they never bothered filling in details like how she even met the brothers.
They were going to, then it got axed
She got kidnap in most of her episodes after she failed to help out. Albearto, Foot recruits, Draxum and the girl scout girl captured her.
Good, it grounds her on a situation that fits her character in universe, is an homage to the original cartoon version and makes her victories more meaningful
We're was the alien crystal when she took down Kraang army?
If you're talking about that scene, that's a room of them, not an army. And yeah, she's particularly OP against Krang because they tried to make her a mutant linked to them to help them terraform the world to be like Dimension X.
> she's particularly OP against Krang because they tried to make her a mutant linked to them to help them terraform the world to be like Dimension X.
That’s the issue, why even make her that? You can’t deny it’s ridiculous compared to every other April. That’s more over the top than any spin Rise did with the turtles.
>you can't deny it's ridiculous compared to every other April
Mirage April: They got so desperate for things to do with her that she became a masked vigilante and found out she was a drawing brought to life
80s Cartoon April: Kidnapped every other episode, got mutated a LOT. Which is cool, but you probably wouldn't be able to repeat it these days. Pity.
2003 April: Coincidentally has a long-lost dimension-hopping Uncle. Rarely does anything at all aside from a couple things lifted directly from the Mirage books, like letting them stay at her place.
2018 April: Became a lean mean fighting machine through the power of a 1-episode montage scene.
They're a collection of pretty ridiculous characters. With 2012 they gave her the Krang link to provide a reason why she's around. At first she was there trying to help them get her dad back, then she was there trying to figure out the secrets of why the Krang wanted her. And the powers made it more justifiable that she was able to pick up fighting skills (although it took a few seasons before she was able to do more than land a lucky hit on Karai or hold off a mook for a bit).
>Became a lean mean fighting machine through the power of a 1-episode montage scene.
That episode was a joke and she learned nothing from Splinter. her greatest solo achievement in the show is defeating children who sell cookies.
I mean she did defeat Meatsweats and protect slime e-girl
She literally got to a point were she can disintegrate a turtle for not controlling her power and Donnie apologize for what happen. Master splinter like her more than his biological kids.
Remember how each turtles got a love interest and each was worse than the last?
2012 has great moments but people acting like it’s sooo much better than Rise is laughable when it has all people complain about Rise.
>dumb comedic episodes (in a kids cartoon, go figure)
>strong female characters
>anime influence
>stupid throwaway villains
>different spin to old characters
Cassandra AKA Foot Recruit was one of the best characters in the show and getting pissed over a name reveal is prime boomer behavior
Animation is great, it’s fun to watch, and gets creative instead of recycling.
Though it ain’t memorable.
No Hot Soup?
At least they made Leo the leader again and it seems they got rid of that shitty female version of casey
Looking great, as I suspected they're focusing on the classic characters, but I'm glad we got to see Hypno and Warren again.
The robots the Kraang use look sick, but the show established they were eldricht space entities responsible for literally everything in the show (the mystical creatures, magic and Shredder), so I'm a little dissapointed they seem to be just evil space aliens here. Though them taking away the turtles mystic powers might imply they explain that side of the lore.
Don’t you get it, Anon? The Krang ARE just evil space aliens, always have been. They were mystified by Karai and Shredder, and the blown up into Youkai-like figures. Im sure the Shredder armor is really just a highly advanced piece of tech
i fricking LOVE this spin on Krang.
Does this takes place after the final?, odd that Cassandra Jones isn’t present.
apparently this movie takes place between Seasons 1 and 2
Idk they got the black sleeves from the final episode
it's post finale, they have their mystic powers and only unlocked that in the final battle against Shredder
yes, it's post finale. Cassandra and Draxum are missing to make the movie more accesible to anyone regardless if they saw Rise or not. I assume Cassandra will at least be mentioned as future Casey's mother.
So the 80s fans got so pissed off that the writers decided to pander to them?
I mean that definitely had to be part of it for Nick execs, but I think for the crew it was mostly just to make it so everyone can see it. S2 isn't even on Netflix so this movie could be the biggest entry point for new fans if it's accesible to everyone, and using the classic characters in the old team dynamic makes the new viewers more comfortable.
That said, Warren and Hypno are there and their mystic powers is a plot point, so they're not entirely ignoring the actual show.
Why insist on spoiling everything. Retconning Cassandra is a blessing because finally my fanfics can have the right dynamic.
>Why insist on spoiling everything
Gotta show the money shots, and I personally don't think they spoil that much. We knew it's a movie about the turtles vs Kraang, and the trailer shows that. It doesn't show the possible conflict between Raph and Leo that's hinted at by some images, or what they're crying about, etc.
Where is he
They are keeping the Krang as Shuma-Gortah tier monsters?
Blood
The fact that they reduced the number of eps they'd planned to do in season 2 tell you everything you need to know. Bomb.
Future Leo looks like he's wearing Raph's arm or some kind of armor resembling it. I'm guessing Raph is already dead in the future.
If he loses a hand, it will reminds me of Image comic Leo. I also remember 2k3 SAINW Leo is became a blind man. It's kind of cool to make Leo more like Sekiro.
Mirage Leo was also temporarily blinded
>an actual Casey after making the foot recruit Casey
Why do they have to call them Kraang, rather than just having them be Utroms with one being named Krang?
Every TMNT incarnation has it's ups and downs. Except for Next Mutation.
Depends entirely on what someone's looking for which iteration will appeal to them.
TMNT and Transformers are different from the usual Big 2 Franchises because unlike Marvel or DC where they stick to a single continuity aside from Elseworlds, both TF and TMNT are constantly reinventing and reinterpreting themselves with varying degrees of tone, and success.
Arguing about the 'best' iteration is pointless because all of them are so drastically different.
Next Mutation had power rangers crossover
And now good versions of them have just crossovered with Mighty Morphin.
There are even figures from Hasbro, a company that Viacom needs to give the license to already.
Why can't they just call them Utroms and have Krang be their leader guy?
Why should they have to do that?
Because it's accurate and less convoluted.
I mean we haven't seen how they call themselves yet
It looks interesting, but God damn does the writing have to include bottom-tier MCU-style "humor" and le wacky faces?
>MCU-style "humor" and le wacky faces?
That's just Rise
Oh frick, this looks kickass. I had no idea they were doing more after the TV finale.
ugly
Why does the Rise apologist feel a lot like Barry from Cinemaphile who's the only FFXV apologist?
Autism
>Why does the Rise apologist feel a lot like Barry from Cinemaphile who's the only FFXV apologist?
>anything tmnt post 80's related good
>anything 4kids related good
I've never seen this amount of shit taste
>only the original cartoon is good
boomer detected
You're sure as hell not making a good anti-Boomer argument with THIS show.
You're not making a good argument for yourself to honestly think the badly animated stupid 80s show is the only turtles series worth anything
Luckily I didn't argue that. I just said that your own way of refuting the "only the original was good" comment was a self-own.
dumbass
perhaps, but the magic stuff that came from them is very much real
Not him but how?
All he did was call you a boomer, implying that your biased against every TMNT show that's not the 80s, and with your bias towards all of the shows that's not the 80s really supports his point.
And you did imply that you think everything after the 80s cartoon is bad.
>Call you a boomer
Nope. He called
a boomer.
I'm a completely different anon that pointed out Rise makes for a dogshit rebuttal to any boomer claims.
So there's the problem here.
Maybe you should have let everyone know that you were a different Anon to prevent the confusion.
Also, there's really not much wrong with Rise. It's a good show.
And if you don't like it then why are you even in this thread?
I watched the whole thing, and decided that on the whole it was a bad incarnation with a few elements that were "okayish" if you focus on them on their own. I find the artstyle hideous (especially the faces) but can't deny that some of the animation is quite good. And I'm enough of a TMNT fan to want to see this through to the end. But if I wanted to dispute someone claiming "only the original cartoon was good" I sure as frick wouldn't turn to Rise as the rebuttal.
Looking back on that post it really doesn't seem like that Anon was using Rise as a rebuttal.
To me it's just him wanting to use a reaction image to jokingly imply that he's gonna kick that Anon's ass and just wanted it to be TMNT related.
I'm not a boomer, i'm a zoomer that doesn't like to be put on the same circle as post 2010's kids that were groomed by lgbt tumblr hells and proclaimed this board as theirs
I'm not projecting, 4kids like these calarts were and still are a mistake
projection
The gay icons.
Only IDW TMNT is best.
I don't read it but I'm glad it makes the TMNT boomers seethe even harder
I don't see this comic lasting until issue two hundred. There's not much excitement even for Waltz story Armageddon Game and even then, it seems he's finished with the comic after that mini arc.
>Waltz
After finish The Last Ronin series. I feel like this comic is a bit overrated. Maybe IDW overplayed Peter and Kevin involvement. It started really strong but got worse with each issue.
Too many flashback.
Splinter is an idoit who agree to a second truce and send himself and Donnie to the enemny's trap.
Mikey said Karai still has "honor". Did he forget that Karai was the one who broke up the truce first and ambushed them?
Casey's daughter is a mutant because the turtles semen is radioactive.
"To Be Continued" ruined the end.
Isn't that series now wokeshit?
It always was. Female Criminals get away with their crimes and male criminals have some slight chance of getting punished.
It’s shit. Used to like it but became furry filth very quickly.
God I hate Rise, shit not TMNT. It's it own thing with Turtles slap into it.
I would like to see this change. What if Mikey is eldest brother and Leo is the youngest brother. But Splinter still choose Leo as their leader. This caused growing tensions between Leo and the other brothers. Especially Raph.
Really any TMNT incarnations are doomed to be in 2012's shadow for a while. Viacom is still using those turtles for merchansising and theme parks 5 years after the show ended.
it sold extremely well tested extremely well and fully owned by them, the only series that gets as much support is the 80s series cause of nostalgia
any megas of the show? did it ever have a general?
looks boring just like the series, I'm gonna have to pass on this
>boring
How?
I hate the TMNT boomers that show up every time there's a new incarnation of the turtles. had to live through the 2k3 backlash, 2012 backlash, and now the Rise hate. Next incarnation people will be talking about how much they loved Rise or how it's underrated. wish i could have an actual discussion in the present instead of waiting until a series is dead.
Why do trannies on Twitter keep shilling this terrible show?
Oh come on, Anon. Be fair.
Going by the ratings the show didn't even get the "trannies on Twitter" demographic.
how is it terrible? have you even watched it or is it just terrible because it's new and new bad
Why are you on Twitter?
can somebody explain to me how Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a failure with horrible ratings and Craig of the Creek is an ongoing success?
according to the new animated shows of 2018 data, it season 1 outperformed a lot of new cartoons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Craig_of_the_Creek_episodes
Do you think anyone here will defend COTG? At best you'll just have someone going "black people, affirmative action"
probably should have use Transformers: Cyberverse as a 2018 representation. It has 3 seasons on cartoon network and its rating was even more abysmal or Summer Camp Island it has 5 season now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Transformers:_Cyberverse_episodes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Summer_Camp_Island_episodes
Can you provide any sources on the toy sales?i'm genuinely curious
CotC is a new IP, not a reboot.
The more accurate question would be why did Rise fail while Teen Titans Go became a success.
What's your obsession with comparing it to Craig of the Creek? Compare its first season to 2012's first season. And a chart with two unlabeled axis and no source is pretty Sus, my dude. As the Rise Zoomers might say.
>no source
Are you blind? I just post it again anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Craig_of_the_Creek_episodes
Also comparing two show from two different timeliness won't give you accurate data because cable is a dying medium. CN and every other network standard for success is different than Nick. That network ignore the numbers and canceled so many shows.
Since you want to pretend it's impossible to look this up, I'll do it for you.
In Rise's first season the high point of viewers was 1.2 million, but as the season went on it trended toward the low point of 0.49 million. In 2012's first season the high point was 3.92 million and the low was 2.15. The lowest recorded viewership the 2012 show ever had was 0.93 million. And that was in July 2017, mere months before Rise came out. In Rise's first season it was repeatedly pulling in ratings that were about half the size of the lowest-rated 2012 episodes, which were VERY recent.
Of course the show got the axe.
>The lowest recorded viewership the 2012 show ever had was 0.93 million. And that was in July 2017, mere months before Rise came out.
2012 ended in 2017 and Rise aired on 2018, the frick are you smoking? Get your facts right. Also
>comparing 2012 and 2018 tv ratings
Gee, I wonder what could have changed in that period of time.
2017 is indeed mere months away from 2018.
>Comparing 2012 and 2018 TV ratings
How about comparing 2017 and 2018 ratings? Like I did? The Final 2012 eps aired in November 2017 and brought in 0.96 mill viewers. The Rise premiere in July 2018 was 0.6 mill. It did bump up, but that's a definite "yikes" and when the upward bump proved to be decidedly unsteady, swinging back down, it's not a shock that Nick reached for the axe.
> 2017 is indeed mere months away from 2018
Anon is not familiar with the concept of years it seems
>as the season went on it trended toward the low point of 0.49 million
The show was changed to Nicktoons, no shit it got lower ratings
Anon, that was BEFORE the Nicktoons move.
That was the REASON for the Nicktoons move.
It moved to Nicktoons in October 2019. It had been pulling in numbers like "0.49 million" in June, months earlier.
I don't like kicking people when they're down, but if someone goes to all the trouble to make charts trying to prove they were unjustly persecuted, I'm going to point out the great big massive holes in their logic. It was - before moving to Nicktoons - pulling in viewership around half of the low point for the TMNT show that just ended. Of course Nickelodeon panicked and pulled the plug. Maybe there were other factors, but it sure as frick shouldn't have been a surprise.
>It had been pulling in numbers like "0.49 million"
That's actually more numbers that shows on CN and Disney do, so I don't see how that's that bad. Also, it had ONE episode go that number, the rest were up on the 0.60 and 0.50. Nickelodeon barely advertising it didn't help.
TV and Nick changed in between 2012 and Rise, ignoring that to say "it failed" is disingenous when there's other factors at play here.
>B...b...but other shows
We're not talking about other shows, we're talking about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, a powerhouse that's spawned five TV shows, 4+ comic series, a newspaper strip, an OAV, 6 movies in theaters, and frick knows how many toys and video games. They're not going to go "well it's doing better than Craig of the Creek" they're going to go "oh frick, we let these people make lots of changes and it's pulling in ratings around half the viewers that the last series ended on! Pull the plug as fast as possible before lasting damage is done to the IP!"
They weren't going to let their cash cow get tarnished.
How do you explain transformers having 3 seasons on cartoon network with lower rating than Craig and TMNT?
I mean it's not hard to explain. Transformers is owned by a different company that's less protective of the IP.
Viacom spent a shitload of money to buy TMNT and has Certain Expectations for it. The new show debuted to significantly lower ratings than the last show had wrapped up on, not at all long ago. They pulled the plug, preferring to let the IP cool down before trying another reboot, as opposed to risking tarnishing the IP. There's your explanation.
You do not have to like the explanation, but it's one that makes perfect sense. You weren't persecuted by clueless execs that hated the show for no reason. It was the latest incarnation of a franchise that was expected to bring in a lot of money, and it was performing worse than the last version right out of the gate.
Are you aware that ever sequel series debut with lesser views than the previous because of the current state of cable television?
If every network treat their shows like Viacom, entertainment will be doom. Nicktoons only have one source of profit and can't achieve multiple sources because no sane creator want to work with them.
Give it a rest. "A drop" is something to be expected. The first season of the "hot" new show pulling in numbers well below the low point of the "stale" show just a few months earlier?
I'm not trying to kick fans of a canceled show, I'm not defending hiring Seth Rogan or claiming Viacom or anything. But going "but what about Craig of the Creek?" is ridiculous. And going "no, it literally was persecuted for no reason by Clueless Execs" is ridiculous. The show scared Viacom because they approved a new TMNT show thinking it's see a BUMP in views above what the 2012 show had been pulling in near the end, and they got the exact opposite. That's why the plug got pulled. It's damn straightforward.
> But going "but what about Craig of the Creek?" is ridiculous
Not really, it makes more sense since both are modern cartoons in an age where TV is dying and as such is an apt comparison for ratings, more than an older show where cable was more relevant. Rise S1 blowing out literally every modern DTVA and CN show out the water proves it had a bigger audience than you think. Sorry you’re wrong.
Nah dude, the first season of Rise of the TMNT settled into a groove of pulling in about half the views of the last of the last series, which ended just a year earlier. That's what's going to stand out to studio execs, not how well it was doing in comparison to Molly of Denali or something.
Funny how you seem to keep glossing over the difference between tv ratings over the years as if they haven’t died down. Also funny how you insist on a disproven point and refuse to accept the relevance of competing animation. Just all around a funny guy.
>disproven point
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, November 2017: 0.96 M viewers. Season 5.
ROTTMNT, February 2019: 0.55 M viewers. Season 1.
That's the only point that matters, and those are cold hard numbers. Yes, cable was dying, but not at such a fast pace that those numbers can be dismissed as just an artifact from what was happening to cable. Viacom were trying a new TMNT, expecting that at least initially it would pull in more viewers than 2012 had been bringing in near the end. Instead it quickly reached a point where it was WELL below the lowest point of 2012's viewership. That's why it got axed. You can say it was unfair, but you sure as frick can't pretend it was inexplicable.
Deal with it or do not.
> Yes, cable was dying, but not at such a fast pace that those numbers can be dismissed as just an artifact from what was happening to cable
You have no idea about the state of TV then. Why do you think streaming is a big thing now, you think networks would need that if TV is doing well? Your obsession with ratings while glossing over the changes through the years is baffling.
>the years
Anon, it was about a year and 3 months spare change. That's a small enough chunk of time that ratings getting slashed to about half is going to raise every red flag there is.
> That's a small enough chunk of time that ratings getting slashed to about half is going to raise every red flag there is.
And yet it was enough time to slash the ratings of almost every tv program on the market. Funny that.
2017 tv rating for animation average around a million views you truly don't know how fast cable is dying.
> That's why it got axed. You can say it was unfair, but you sure as frick can't pretend it was inexplicable.
The official word is that the shift in execs is what got it axed, not ratings. So deal with it or not.
>The official word
Your theories vs the word of people involved. Deal with it or not.
>the word of people involved
[citation needed]
Short of execs coming out and saying in a press release "it was canceled because we had a change in personnel, not ratings or sales or anything" anything you're going to come across is someone's spin on the cancelation.
You keep ignoring 2012 was the first new tmnt animated series since 2003 and it gave it a huge boost.
He is also ignoring that 2012 TMNT wasn't the highest rated animated show made in 2012.
>Transformers is owned by a different company that's less protective of the IP.
They really don't treat it that differently than Viacom.
>They pulled the plug, preferring to let the IP cool down before trying another reboot, as opposed to risking tarnishing the IP
Yes, and to avoid risking tarnishing the IP they hired Seth Rogen to make a movie where the turtles smoke weed and get horny. What TMNT fan is excited for that? There are more Rise fans than people looking forward to that movie.
>You weren't persecuted by clueless execs that hated the show for no reason.
It literally was
I never understood why people called Rise ugly.
It's a weird style yeah but weird isn't ugly.
Reminds me a Motor City honestly.
Cartoon is anything but ugly and I don't even like the tmnt franchise
Anyone have the post the creators made where they said they did a better incarnation than everyone else and that they're different because they made the show about family and that other shows were already "biting their style"
Saw the trailer and I am excited, specially since it's literally the day I come back from vacation, I wished RoTMNT got more than the 2 seasons but just like glitch techs new management made sure it would never happen. On the bright side I defiantly gotta say Rise grew on me from it early to it's finish as I wasn't a huge fan of Raph as 'the leader' or being turning into the big strong stupid guy troupe(loved these designs tho, had some real flare in my eyes from the day they were announced), and the whole Black April thing took time for me to enjoy but after I saw how different she was I adjusted since she wasn't just black for the sake of it and feels like a whole different character(better than 2012 that's for sure); I did actually enjoy Cassandra as a character and had no problems with her being Rise's Cassie since, just like April, she was so stylish and district I came to fully associate her with Rise. Rise feels like that second stand out TMNT for me next to 2003 making it stand super nice.
I think the movie's not only looking great but it's looking pretty balanced out plot wise since hey early nerf the turtles o but em back on street to wall level.
Yes, I brought up 2012 because I honestly don't like it that much and am still semi upset that it went on for so long but Rise could barely last more than 2-ish years in it's base run, would have loved for Rise to get it's own crossover with past turtles akin to Turtles forever.
it looked cheap. sakuga fans don't have standards?
It looks better in comparison to other action cartoons at that time
I am only going to watch it for my husband Splinter.
This is so amateurish. holy crap
What is?
ignore him, he's being a gay
It still looks amateurish. Japanese Sakuga >> Western Sakuga
You know the people doing the animation are the same ones who do monkie kid right? I'm 90% sure they aren't even westerners to begin with
Dont care. Watching it for Splinter.
I never watched this because hideous/zoomer energy. I just wanna know, which turtle is the gay one?
>2012 TMNT
Only the first, second seasons and Season 4 finale are worth it. "Owari" episodes might be the first time that Viacom has allowed the Turtles can kill villains.
so did Casey show up in the series?
A Casey of sorts
>which turtle is the gay one?
the worm and hippo
>They wanted to cement the idea that the turtles are "Super Heroes" in some thematic level.
Anon, they literally started off as a Daredevil parody. That's what they ALWAYS were.
Viacom in general could've been great for the turtles with their resources. Their biggest problem is they made TMNT specifically a Nickolodeon property. That means media has to fit within Nick's very narrow parameters for kid's media. And Nick has generally been the worst network for kid's media for the last 20 years; they only want specific kinds of cartoons to thrive, and even cartoons that try to do otherwise have to pander to that. Its also one of many, many properties they have, so they have no rush to continue to market it or make a stream of new media when they can just market the old shows for a decade. People say rise was too soon, but I doubt we'll get a full TMNT cartoon in the next 5 years. This is a network that will market shows that ended 16 years ago with 2 seasons as Nicktoons still. they can coast off 2012 and the faux 80's toon marketing art for years.
For all the hate people give Laird for being narrowminded or controlling, he really wanted to push the franchise and keep it viable. He didn't want it to just be a nostalgia brand. But that's what Nick wants out of TMNT.
This. TMNT is a franchise that only works when there's a hiatus between shows so it has time to relax so the next one will both attract a new audience and the old fans.
Are people really that sensitive over new entries of known franchises? Japan has multiple franchises with new iterations starting right after the last one ends and they do fine. It's more content of the property people love, I don't see why it's an issue in the west.
What works for one franchise won’t necessarily work for another. Most notably, sentai/KR characters usually change for new entrees, as well as themes and powers.
Why the frick is Nick releasing a follow-up to Next Mutation 2.0 instead of season 3 of the actually praised Glitch Techs?
Has any Glitch Techs discussion gone passed porn of the main character?
Porn of a side character
Rise of TMNT is more known than Glitch Techs, and it's done by the same studio and similar crews.
>actually praised Glitch Techs
By who, people on Cinemaphile? Glitch Techs is probably lesser known than Rise is.
I like the 2003 series the most evne though I haven't watched much, it looks cool, but I didn't expect this series to get anything.
>TFW the franchise is so fricked right now that Playmates, possibly the most hilariously incompetent company in history that should've folded as soon as Rise bombed, is now resorting to crossovers that make no sense at all like Cobra Kai, Street Fighter, and fricking Stranger Things.
Also I'm expecting the turtles, or at the very least Raph and Don due to Mike and Leo being in NASB, to guest star in Multiversus.
Scooby-Doo had more crossovers. I'm not sure how crossovers are a sign of frick franchise. It's an old IP with a lot of nostalgia dude.
Still, at least Cobra Kai and Street Fighter are series revolving around people beating each other up.
>Also I'm expecting the turtles, or at the very least Raph and Don due to Mike and Leo being in NASB, to guest star in Multiversus.
Would be hilarious if true. Just like how Multiversus mogged NASB's Reptar by getting actual factual Godzilla, it mogs again by having the better turtles.
It also mogged Smash, which has Ridley.
Even better if they're the Rise and 2012 versions which would add another level of variety to them beyond just the 80s wank
>Even better if they're the Rise and 2012 versions which would add another level of variety to them beyond just the 80s wank
Multiversus' monetization model involves elaborate alternate skins, sometimes fully voiced, so if they wanted to they could get playable Turtles from every continuity all with their own lines and interactions.
More likely they’ll be like Injustice and just be general versions of them.
Rise is what helped poison Playmates further into nothingdom. Rise was so bad that it took out the daddy of the TMNT merch monster.
ok boomer
It’s facts, deal with it.
Yes, you being a joyless boomer is a fact I can live with.
It's the truth though. Playmates got so rattled by Rise's frick up that they've basically wrapped themselves up in "here please buy nostalgia we're sorry"
Can you please provide a source on this?
Found it
Gonna flop so hard
>Netflix
It's not like we'll ever know for sure...
It's a TMNT movie, it's gonna do well
TMNT 3 AND OoTS says otherwise.
This show needs to be completely dumped and forgotten.
I know it's somewhat hypocritical of me to say this but it really does seem like TMNT's fandoms lived in harmony until 03 guys started hitting posting age.
Because you weren't there, 80's kids were shitting on the 2k3 series since before Cinemaphile. This board shat on 2012 when it came out until the haters got bored and only fans remained. If you go on technodrome it's basically lorded over by two boomer Mirage fans who fancy themselves tougher guys than they really are. The recent wave of backlash onCinemaphile is mainly due to one 03 spammer.
And I'm like 70% sure the spammer is also on Technodrome. Stopped posting there when it became apparent it was a smug circlejerk between longterm posters that may as well have been on Cinemaphile from the way they behaved. I'll put up with that shit from "Anonymous" but not from someone with a "forum signature" longer than almost any of his posts.
Pretty much, 90% of the forums are Andrew something, the guy who does the TMNT fan comics who's such a purist he thinks 2k3 is too different and patronizes anyone who likes elements introduced in later series. Then there's the guy with some wrestling avatar who just acts like an butthole. And a bunch of other old zombies.
Rise pretty much ruined the good thing that TMNT had going
Viacom
>Update
>Leo's finally forced to really take charge
That's neat. I actually kinda like this dynamic where Leo is clearly the most qualified to be the leader but also genuinely just doesn't fricking want to be the leader.
>trending a day after the trailer
nice
>Less than for a show that ended years ago
But it's doing better than the Chip & Dale movie, which couldn't even pull off baseline trending levels.
Queer fans spamming doesn’t count, otherwise Owlshit wouldn’t have gotten cancelled.
And good that Catra has so little, she doesn’t deserve to be remembered. Adora sucks too but not as much.
>Queer fans spamming doesn’t count
So the "trending" for ROTTMNT doesn't count?
That’s from queers and actual fans since the only gay relationship in the show is between a worm and a hippo. Compared to she ra and the princess of abuse defenders and owlshit where it really is just 20 year old lesbians simping for 2 underage girls and that’s it
With ROTTMNT the Venn Diagram between "queers" and "actual fans" sure looks like a circle. Hell, even the show's ART STAFF were drawing incest turtle fujoshit.
How would you know? You wouldn’t happen to be that big of a loser to check twitter bios of fans of a show you don’t like, right?
from what I learned the 2012 series had to do a lot to get what it wanted to get done as nick wanted a comedy
The toys sucked and wouldn't sell.
They were cheaply made and fell apart, so no one bought them.
Lets face it, if toys sell it doesn't mater what the ratings are.
But no toys meant that Rise was sunk
do you have any data on the toy sales?
Data on toy sales is damn rare, and just occasionally slipped into press releases when the company WANTS to talk about how good things were selling. Almost any time someone tells you about toy sales they're guessing. With the Rise toys we just know that it was dead by wave 2. That certainly looks bad, but it's not hard numbers.
All modern toys suck, even someone who worked on TMNT 2012 and Rise of TMNT named JJ Conway said so. I don't even know what toys kids play with now, I just assume they just play videogames.
There are good toys, jsut not being made by playmates
You know Leo don't deserves to be a carefree guy and happy ending, only more darkness and torment awaits him. I'd like to see them torture Leo more in the new series.
>we have the ninja's greatest weapon, hope
ninjas historically assassinated people. they're feudal murderers, and samurai were bootlicking cops who murdered peasants on a whim
>Acting like anyone on Cinemaphile is unaware of that
Art of Master Leonardo from the future where Raph and Donnie were killed at some point and that Casey is traveling back in time to prevent. Trailer makes it seem like he gives his life at the last second to ensure Casey makes it through the portal, which Mikey may have used everything he had left to create. Honestly really digging the prosthetic arm designed in Raph's honor and the fact that he keeps both of their bandanas tied to the hilt of his one remaining katana.
Since this is the finale I wonder if they'll let them get away with crazier shit since it doesn't fricking matter anymore.
Rise of tmnt would have been received well if they never made Raph the leader or replaced April with a Black person. I say this as someone who enjoyed the show. I kinda like raph being the leader for this one iteration though. Also if they wanted a minority April should’ve been Japanese American.
>Also if they wanted a minority April should’ve been Japanese American.
I am BEGGING you to shut the frick up before you give anyone any ideas.
No
I'd be totally down for a Japanese April.
Do people honestly watch TMNT for April? When they gave her a staring role in one of shows, the forums and wiki had to actively police the catalogs with how much hate her 2012 version generated.
>April should’ve been Japanese American.
Hell fricking no. Her being American always matches the urban feel of the series and doesn't make her easily mistaken for Karai.
make her hapa
>or replaced April with a Black person.
Only racists got bothered by it and coomers were only angry she was a kid again and not the adult with big boobs and big ass.
I'm noticing a distinct lack of big mama
I hate the powers in this show. Raph and leo’s powers are cool, mikey’s is dogshit, and Donnie doesn’t even have one.
>It's on netflix
>Not all the episodes are not there.
Why do they do this?
Old Master Mikey was pretty cool.
utterly repulsive designs
I love how 2012 used "ninja" in place of "homie" a few times. I wonder how they got away with that.