so Cinemaphile said this show was kino and I am on episode 3 season 1 going blind and I'm very much enjoying it. it's fantastic. I guess Cinemaphile was right but I've also seen many people saying only season 1 is good and it's partly why I haven't picked up the show until now. can someone tell me if this is true and why without spoiling the story if possible?
And what of good Solonius?
I just binge watched Spartacus lol. I had seen season 1 when it first aired and loved the campiness but season 2 and 3 were bad. still kind of fun but no real heart. that's why I wanted to watch Rome cause I'm on a Roman empire kick.
He was the coolest guy.
Et quid the Bono Mario Solonio?
Season 2 is okay, it just struggles to justify the two mains being present for so many historical events. It also feels kind of rushed.
ah I thought there was 3 seasons. okay fair, maybe I'll give season 2 a go if the acting and such is still good. Also, funny to see so many GoT actors in this already. Oberyns mistress or w/e is in this but younger and damn if she isn't the best looking woman in this show so far. She reminds me of a tall version of my ex
s2 isn't optional. watch it. caspere knew this
if it keeps the politics and such then I'll probably enjoy it. funny it has so many pre-got actors in it. that's basically what I enjoyed of GoT was the political stuff, not the fantasy bs. this one is scratching that itch well.
Rome walked so GoT could run then fell face first into a pile of goat shit.
If you dig season 1 no reason not to watch season 2. I wish that they'd made 3 or 4 seasons and spread it out a bit but there's still so much good stuff in S2 I can't imagine skipping it
it is rushed because they planned at least two or three more seasons but then got cancelled
still, they managed to do a great job with the time they had.
Kind of rushed? Not being an butthole but am I the only one who noticed that Lucius daughters didnt age a day over the span of what, a decade?
S2 was still way better than it should but they dropped the ball so hard
As other mentioned the set burned down and HBO cancelled the show rather than rebuild it. There were supposed to be at least three more seasons. Hopefully someday AI can show us what could have been.
I heard that the set had burned down, but also that they knew they had to squish the S3 events into S2. So which is it? Did it burn down and then they went without it? I don't remember losing any sets between S1 and S2
Also heard that the Italian mafia / general gangsters and corrupt politians caused issues
Sounds similar to Penny Dreadful in the rushed final season cutting short what they should have stretched out over additional seasons
season 2 is still very good, but it feels rushed
this is because the show was intended to run for 5 or so seasons but cost overruns forced them to stop at just two, so most of the material from the subsequent seasons was jammed into season 2
Checked
And unfortunately I hated the actor they had playing Octavian in season 2. He goes from being portrayed a fairly shy and quiet genius to being portrayed as an autistic robot
pullo
he just rode off with that carload of gold right as Cesar, king beyond the wall, walks into Rome. Kino.
good show this; top notch writing, dialogues, costume design, scenery, set, characters, casting, ost etc. and its about rome so shame on you for having even the slightest doubt about this show
well, you know how hit or miss an adaptation is with Hollywood so you'll have to forgive my skeptical nature. Love seeing Rome all grand and huge and sprawling with magnificent buildings and architecture but also dirty and disgusting. fun contrast to see the daily Roman lives. Also the hefty town crier I see people post in memes is great so far. I enjoy every time he shows up.
best bros right there
Rome falls off in season 2 and season 3 is a meme because neither of them are really about Rome, they're about the cuck.
so there is a season 3? or was it just two
just 2
this show was great, it came out when Rome Total War came out, so binge drinking wine and playing Rome Total War between episodes of Rome was Roman kino
that sounds very comfy. I just got passed the episode where Cesar beat Pompei in battle but they didn't show anything for budget reasons I assume. it'd be cool to have played that battle out in total war while watching the show while wine drinking.
There was also a show on The History Channel at the time that used Rome Total War to do ancient battles.
Rome was cancelled before s2 even started, so they cobbled the pieces they had into a rushed season. It's not as good as the first season, but if you don't watch it you'll miss some of the best Rome moments.
why cancle? season 1 is so good so far I couldn't imagine it not being a hit. I don't really follow media or news etc much so I have no idea of how it was perceived at the time.
Extremely expensive to make and Game of Thrones needed the budget.
Season 2 is good, it just covers a lot of history in too short amount of time and people really disliked the casting change for Octavian who I thought was one of the guys from Peep Show for the longest time.
is it just two seasons? just Cesar just met with ptolmey and b***hed him out over pompei, such a good scene. it's killing me already knowing that season 2 is rushed but I'm gonna keep watching cause I'm hooked now. I'm up all night on shift just passing the hours
yes there was only 2 seasons
>Robert Webb as Octavian
Idk if I was faceblind or moronic or whatever but I distinctly remember thinking
>Oh damn I guess the Peep Show guy wanted to be a serious actor, that's cool he's doing good
Then like a year ago when I rewatched Rome again it suddenly hit me that they do not, in fact, look alike at all.
They do look alike.
It was casting David Mitchell as Agrippa that really had me scratching my head.
> Octavian
Yes, he did look like peep show man. Why did they change actors?
because historically, when the series starts Octavian is 11 and when it ends he's 33
>extremely expensive
I bet the most expensive was the set. And yet they would let it go to waste. Also Italians complaining "it'sa not real Rome" then use the set that is right there and film something good with it.
then do I Claudius next, its influenced from the same stories sources and wraps up octavins plot
This, I, Claudius can feel a little dated at times but in terms of storytelling, dialogue, and characters it's absolute Roman kino.
I, Claudius is difficult to recommend to most people because its probably too slow and dry for normies. Lots of long, single-shot monologues and every character is "Publius Victilis Minilus Claudio's son, Princilus Dickitus Farticus Teeveeus", but if that's not a turn-off or you're enough of a romeaboo like me, it's a one-of-a-kind show.
If you watch closely during one of the scenes where Claudius falls down (I think it is after Caligula gets killed and they are going after his family), you can actually see that the mosaic tile floor is some kind of a mat because it bounces when Derek Jacobi lands on it.
It feels like a filmed stage play but the narrative is pretty seamless and feels like another time jump
I watched rome with my grandma then jumped to i Claudius next and she didn’t notice and had a grand time. She has pleb taste and usually watches talking dog movies
>I watched rome with my grandma then jumped to i Claudius next and she didn’t notice and had a grand time. She has pleb taste and usually watches talking dog movies
LONDON?
Augustus' death scene is probably the best physical acting I've ever seen in anything ever, you can see the light leave Brian's eyes and I have no fricking clue how you do that without actually dying
Series is so fricking good and worth the watch if you can handle the dialogue it really is superb
>’IS THERE ANYONE IN ROME WHO HAS NOT SLEPT WITH MY DAUGHTER?!’
Brian Blessed was absolute Kino in his prime.
Like nearly all HBO shows of the era. It was really good, but it got cancelled before it was finished.
Watch the Terror next if you haven't. A lot of the same cast.
what's that about tho? I'm on a rome kick atm. watched all of Spartacus but wanted something Roman with an actual story not power rangers. seriously, after season 1 the amount of characters that get cut on the back of the shoulder or upper arm during battle could be a dangerous drinking game.
REAL ROMAN BREAD
FOR REAL ROMANS
just got to this part. what's he thinking right here, I wonder? been binge watching since ep 1 all evening.
"I piss on her! I shit on her!"
The milf on the right should have always been nude or at least always topless in all of her scenes
that was last ep I think. it was excellent
I watch Doc Martin for he
Season 2 is fine just not as great as season 1. They got cancelled because BBC pulled out and it was too expensive for just HBO. They knew ahead of time so ended up rushing through the 2nd half of the season.
Season 2 isn't "bad" but you can tell they had to rush some things because the show was too expensive to continue. Definitely keep watching if you like the first season. Damn shame it didn't get the 5 seasons they had planned.
Adult Octavian is unsettling in a Mark Zuckerberg kind of way
cant unsee now
why did no one tell me Cleopatra was this hot. Short hair, perky breasts, pretty face. She's already trapped Cesar with Pullo's baby I'm assuming. It's fun to weave fiction into history like this.
this is a more contemporary depiction of Cleopatra. But it was said she was very charming, intelligent and had no problem seducing both Caesar and Mark Anthony, so she must've had a great deal of sex appeal
A big part of that appeal was her personal ownership of Egypt, breadbasket of the entire Mediterranean. The fact that she was smart and had charisma was honestly just a nice extra addition.
that wasn't just her appeal
after all remember than when she met Caesar she was a rebel princess while her brother was in command of Egypt
She probably didn't have to seduce Mark Anthony too hard, he just wanted what Ceasar had.
he literally killed himself when he thought she died
>mfw when no scene of Cleo and her handmaidens struggling to pull Antony up into her mausoleum while Antony wails and bleeds to death
>not having Anthony hand his sword to his servant to kill him only for said servant to kill himself instead
dude could not catch a break
>In Book 5, Chapter 44 the Commentarii de Bello Gallico notably mentions Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo, two Roman centurions of the 11th Legion.[13] The 2005 television series Rome gives a fictionalized account of Caesar's rise and fall, featuring Kevin McKidd as the character of Lucius Vorenus and Ray Stevenson as the character of Titus Pullo of the 13th Legion.
In case you didn't know the "origin" of the characters.
I was wondering if those two were made up to fit in the context of historical events or real people. even more interesting
I wanna frick Atia
Then i wanna frick Octavian's boipucci while Atia watches and makes snide remarks about her homosexual son
Season 2 should have been two separate seasons so it feels rushed and janky. Other than that though the quality of everything else is just as good as season 1 so it's worth watching.
octavian bout to bang his super hot sister. goodness what a life little dude is having so far
bangs his sister then sniffs out her plot. octavian can't stop winning.
What province and year was the most comfy in the Roman Empire?
Trajan, Hispania
Gaul 200 ad
judea 70ad
Africa I would say, though chilling on Aegyptus from Alexandria probably was a nice spot to settle up as a governor
Don't listen to anyone else in the thread. I haven't read it and this is the only answer that matters.
Season 1 is kino, the perfect example of a classic HBO slow burn that absolutely explodes at the end.
Season 2 is unique, in that all the talented people who made season 1 were informed that their show was not getting 4 more seasons and they had to wrap it up in advance of season 2. So they made a balls to the wall crazy season where every single episode is just as quality as the first, but insane.
Anyone who says 2 is bad is a fricking moron, it's an HBO show at the top of it's game but on crack.
Is that Michael's daughter-in-law from Breaking Reddit?
It's a bit of a shame that all of it was rushed (even S1) and that some of the characters were portrayed poorly (Octavian and Cleopatra are the biggest offenders) and several historical events were changed to be less interesting than they were in actual recorded history
Still a lot of roman KINO but it honestly still falls short a fair bit of the actual historical events
While it's impossible, the end of the Roman republic era could absolutely fill an 8 season show
>events were changed to be less interesting than they were in actual recorded history
QRD?
Thanks. The new actor didn't look all that much older though. I wonder if it would have been better to age the original actor with makeup a bit anyway. What do I know. Great show.
For example the negotiations between Octavian and Cleopatra
The first part took place while Cleopatra had locked herself in her own tomb, having sealed off the entrance and gathered basically the entire treasury of Egypt with enough flammable material to destroy it
So they had extremely tense negotations through a massive stone door while on of Octavian's men managed to climb into the tomb and physically capture Cleopatra before she could burn everything
then afterwards she still managed to, despite this, have semi-equal negotiations with Octavian where she traded the life of her family for an unopposed transfer of power of Egypt and her wealth to Octavian, and only killed herself in a fairly dignified way when she learned she was to be part of his triumph
and to her negotiating credit, despite her killing herself, Octavian still honored most of the deal, with the only exception being that Caesarion was put to death (who was 16 or 17 at this point, not a young child, someone who was basically about old enough to be a serious political threat to Octavian)
It's not even clear that Caesarion's life had even been part of the deal, everything that comes to us about Cleopatra would have made her keenly aware that Octavian would never tolerate a threat that big to his rule
Basically the way the show handles it with her running off and crying about what a monster Octavian was does the situation disservice, it was a fairly long drawn out negotiation between the 2 most politically savvy people in the Mediterranean world
Thanks. Obviously we know that IRL Caesarion was smuggled away by Pullo...
there's also another thing that literally nobody has dared to do because it would be seen as unbelievable
Caesar wasn't killed in the Senate, the senate building had been burned down a few years before and was still under renovation
Instead the senate met in all kinds of temple buildings across the city
The temple he got killed in was the temple of POMPEY, Caesar died at the foot of a giant statue to Pompey
The reported events of Caesar's funeral were also unadulterated kino and could easily form a full episode alone, I don't know if anyone has properly adapted thoae events to screen yet
>we will never get Antony's speech
Anthony didn't really speech per se, at least not in the Shakespearian way
what he did do was bring a massive lifelike puppet of Caesar's body on stage with his wounds displayed for the crowd then whipped them into a complete and utter frenzy
He listed Caesars great accomplishments then gestured after each one to the eviscerated effigy of Caesar. More effective than any fancy oratory in my opinion.
thought he gestured towards Brutus 'n Co but could be misremembering, either way the whole point of that accomplishment was in a "and this is what happened to him"
they wanted to avoid trying to compete with Shakespeare and apparently didn't do the funeral for that reason
which is a bloody shame, they could have like you said, just used to reported events which were completely different
and Purefoy would have done absolutely brilliant playing up the demagogue angle and leading the crowd against the conspirators
Thats bullshit, they skipped almost certainly for budget reasons.
Think of how they barely managed to squeeze any of Ceasers Triumph into the show at all. Too many extras and fires and shit would have been needed to do the scene justice.
I can see a bit of both
Trying to outdo Shakespeare is always hard and in theory you could keep the budget for the funeral fairly small
Use mostly close-ups of Anthony, the conspirators etc, only rarely show the crowd to save on budget for extras, don't show the buildings going up in flames, just the in-promptu funerary pyre then later a pan-out of Rome with smoke rising above it, maybe a scene with the inside of one of the conspirator's homes as the angry crowd is banging on the door to burn it down
plenty of tricks to keep the costs down
Season 3 is the best one imo, very underrated.
>people saying only season 1 is good and it's partly why I haven't picked up the show until now
>can someone tell me if this is true
no. both are good, but the first one is better. problem with second season is, they knew they are being canceled so they had to cram much more story in even smaller number of episodes. it's still pure kino
also
season 2 octavian >>> season 1 octavian
when you are done with rome and spartacus, watch the tudors
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758790/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
S2 Octavian was waaay too overtly a sociopath
Really Octavian should be played by someone who can switch from jovial to threatening on a dime and actually have some damn charisma
I think s2 Octavian works as like an intermediate between young Octavian and Augustus later. The problem is the events that take place in the show happen over many years and s2 was forced to blast through these and leave a bunch of stuff out.
The character doesn't get much chance to evolve alongside the events that he's taking part in. The overly sociopathic tones are a bit much but I think it also kind of works as inexperienced Octavian overcompensating while playing with the men for the first time.
Coulda been good if s3-5 actually existed
thing is, even inexperienced Octavian was ridiculously good at politics and manipulation
we're talking about the same man, who at age 19 managed to outmaneuver Cicero, one of the most experienced statesmen in roman history
I don't believe for a single second that sociopathic charisma vacuum in S2 could have done that
S1 Octavian actually works, because while he's younger, they play up his dynamic with Caesar very well, him impressing the latter with his intelligence and potential as an heir
Season 2 is good. The plot just suffers a bit in s2 because 2/3 seasons had to be condensed into it. Absolutely still worth watching the whole thing though.
Then watch I Claudius
Season 2 sucks, they turned Augustus into a fricking creep
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME
Check out all the other contemporary HBO from that era except Sex in the City. It was all kino.
>He worships dogs and reptiles. He blackens his eyes with soot like a prostitute.
>But then, a woman's role has always suited you best.
How do you respond without sounding mad?
Even S1 of Rome really could have easily been 2 seasons, a lot happened in the 8 years between Alesia and Caesar getting shanked
Good show, this. Check out I, Claudius as well. Two of the actors in it give amazing performances that blows Rome out of the water.
It's been a long time since I watched it, but the only performances I remember being bad were from Herod and that lady that kills herself at the dinner party.
Aside from that, I thought the casting and performances were generally good.
Caligula and Livia performances were perfect.
was really disappointed in Livia's portrayal in Rome
Especially that whole ending scene between her and Atia somehow presenting it as if the latter is somehow better at the whole game of subterfuge than the former
really, the rest of the series it's made fairly clear (if subtle) that Atia is waaay out of her league
And it would have been much more interesting (though probably needed to happen during a hypothetical S4) if there was a growing rivalry between the 2, but always told from Atia's perspective
Until finally you get to the episode where she tries to play her hand and get "rid" of Livia... only to find out that not just her entire plot was preemptively dismantled, but her agents/friends subverted or killed with Livia showing her "power level"
Something along the lines of Livia saying she does what her husband cannot, laying finally bare for the audience that hasn't noticed it yet how petty and inconsequential Atia's scheming had been
Maybe even toss in a line, as a reference to the historical records about Atia, how Livia will make sure she'll go down in history as the perfect image of a Matron, because that's what her husband needs, what the people of Rome need
and you know, set up everything for I Claudius
>HIROSHIMOOT
>I HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING YOUR "EMPLOYEE" AND CO-WORKER--
>THE DARLING OF PENIS, GAYUS JANNIUS troony.
>WHY DOES HE DELETE MY POSTS?
>WHY DOES HE NOT LEAVE HIS MOTHER'S HOME? HIS 30TH BIRTHDAY IS OVER.
> If I may, gracious Hiroshimoot, you were going to consider revoking my brother's permaban
> ...And I am still considering it
I had to pause the show to bust to atia's breasts in the first ep so many times
wow I'm glad 20 spergs have said the same wikipedia factoid about the cancellation. rivetting.
Gaia literally did nothing wrong. She did exactly what Pullo did and every called him based.
Rome should still be going today. They could have gone through the entire Roman Empire, cycling through characters/actors with each season, Caesar, and time period. It could have been decades of kino! we are in the worst timeline.
Show was built around the two Forrest Gumps.
I liked season 2 better than season 1, mainly because I liked Mark Antony's character more than Caesar.
I AM A SON OF Cinemaphile
I FRICK JANNY IN THE ASS
And what of good Cossutius?
And what of good Lepidus?
Why was this guy eventually cut out of the triumvirate anyway? Roman history fricks help me.
at the start of the triumvirate he was arguable the most important of the 3
however he was too passive and complacent
At first he had Spain, Africa and the Pontifex Maximus title which was a good deal
Octavian managed to take Spain away from him in a deal with Anthony without consulting him which he for a strange reason didn't object too
but his final "fall" so to speak was all things considered somewhat disappointing
Basically post defeat of Pompey's son, he and Octavian had a standoff where they both wanted Sicily, armies poised against each other and Lepidus being the better commander of the 2 and having more legions seemed in the stronger position
But then Octavian convinced literally 90% of his army to switch sides leaving him with basically nothing, and that was it, he was allowed to remain Pontifex but nothing else
Lepidus to his credit, realized he didn't have the charisma or influence necessary to go up against the heir of Caesar and basically kept his head down and accepted his position
Eventually he died of old age which, frankly, is a pretty good feat for someone who tried to go against Octavian
Interdasting.
The quickie rape of the village girl from start of the first episode is the best scene of the show? Anybody has webm of it?
>He's not "under" the standard.
Feels fricking good having the whole show in 1080p on my Plex server :>)
I have it on dvd...but i don't have a dvd player or cdrom in my pc anymore:(
Which made me remember...anybody has ost track that plays in the dvd menu?
Remember to get your 15th booste-ACK!
Has there ever been a greater crime perpetrated on the human race? I can’t think of anything quite at this scale of malevolence.
Sad, many such cases
it's hard to imagine the cold-blooded psychopath that Octavian is in Rome becoming the fat jolly fellow that he is in I Claudius
the real Augustus was somewhere between them
he always was willing to do whatever it took but also capable of being the patriarch
He was described as being to put it kindly, socially adaptable, capable of shifting behavior
You get to be old and jolly when you have no enemies and complete power.
problem with writing Augustus is that he was probably a sociopath, but also incredibly intelligent and driven
even if he could order someone's death with zero emotion he understood perfectly why other people felt bad about it
as such it would be almost impossible to notice, if he was a sociopath, that he was one
and that's what the Rome portrayal gets wrong
>We will never get a miniseries about the life of dictator Sulla
You are not aware of the amounts of capital Kino we are missing, bros
Frick Sulla. Bootlicking b***h.
I remember watching this as a kid and all the women were walking around braless with hard nips, then I rewatched it and no nips (other than the nude scenes)
I got mandela'd