This, I have no faith they'll pull a twist like with Megamind or surprise us like with Puss and Boots 2. When Grandma Kraken started to list off Ruby's powers like generic superhero I checked out.
>The first trailer spoils the entire movie.
I get the antispoiler cult is one of the endless groups that thinks they're victims and has convinced themselves that the thing that bothers them is a sink or swim issue for everyone else too, but the sheer lack of awareness is both ironic and fascinating.
Outside of thrillers, 95% of movies have at least one trailer (if not the majority of the marketing campaign) that is a straight outline of the plot, because that's what audiences want, to know what movie they're going to watch, even if they b***h about it. How do you not know that, since that's specifically the thing that annoys you?
Either you're dishonest or a moron >This movie is about a spy fighting a villain in a mask
is not the same as >This movie is about James Dong, who lost his father when he was just 10 years old. Meet his villain, the man in the mask *Haha, I'm the man in the mask, and even though you thought your dad died when you were just 10, the truth is I survived. I'M YOUR FATHER* watch James Dong in theaters to find out who the man behind the man in the mask is *picture of James Dong in a cloning vat*
>if I set up a false comparison I can make anything true!
Yes, the second example is closer to what 95% of movie marketing campaigns do. The details withheld are more a matter of the limited length of a trailer than any desire to avoid spoiling, but they'll happily show you the capstone quotes and climactic scenes, because it gets you in the door to see the context.
This.
If they hadn't included the scenes of the final battle with Chelsea (in MULTIPLE trailers, right down to including the scene where the three generations combine their forces), you MIGHT be able to argue that the thing was just giving an "outline" of the movie to let people know what they're getting in for.
This goes way further than was necessary.
Someone should make a youtube channel that is the opposite of "honest trailers", in that where they make trailers that are just doing what trailers are meant to be doing.
The real twist is that pseudo Ariel is actually grandmama's former bff (and equally old, because mermaids don't physically age, or she transformed like Ursula.) She's also a mermaid queen and the whole krakens vs. mermaids bullshit arose from some petty conflict between the two, perhaps caused by a misunderstanding. They make up in the end with the help of Ruby. Screencap this.
I didn't watch it, but not all mermaids are white in the movie, and I doubt that whoever made this thing is tone deaf enough to say that a whole race of fish people, including brown/black women led by a girlboss are irredeemably evil monsters, in the current year.
It really does feel like studios have cut back since the pandemic. Puss in Boots had an abysmal opening but became very profitable thanks to WoM and christmas legs.
It wasn't even a movie. It was a very very soulless Mario advertisement. It's one thing to shill your own products. It's another to put violently shilling your products over making a semi coherent movie.
They crammed too many movies in this summer.
So many upcoming releases are set to underperform.
The Flash: 70m (bad due to 200m budget. Black Adam opened the same)
Elemental: 35m (terrible for a 200m budget)
Indy 5: 65 (Terrible for a fricking 300m budget)
Spiderverse was lucky from "just be first" and even then the competition alone is bad.
Blockbuster animation is extremely expensive. Big 2D movies like The Prince of Egypt cost 100M back in 1998. That would be about 185M in today’s money. Wall-E cost 180M in 2008 - that’s 250M adjusted for inflation.
I saw a trailer for it before GOTG3 and my mom said "wow that looks like shit." Other than on Cinemaphile, I have not heard anyone talk about it, and in all fairness, I don't think it has an inherently big movie as a school teenager drama. It might have had bigger impact had it been a pandemic streaming movie.
Once Pixar and Dreamworks learned that Illumination signed on to make a Mario movie, their advertisers saw the writing on the wall and decided to phone it in until the hype died down because they knew there was no feasible way to compete—anything they tried to advertise would be drowned out by Mario.
On the contrary, the "hot white mermaid" is the villain. In fact the dark-skinned gran-ma-ma says all Mermaids are evil selfish thieves and then the movie goes on to show that the only mermaid that matters proves her racewar rhetoric has a point. It's a perfect example of making your content woke out of sheer laziness and lack of common sense.
Dreamworks probably didn't mean to stumble their way into making terrible social commentary, but they did it to themselves by not thinking things through.
Putting out a movie with "traditional Ariel, but evil" out the same year as the "Live Action Little Mermaid" is inviting yourself to the Currentyear Politics Party. Not being able to read the room is no excuse.
Or the non-schizo reason is dreamworks is doing actual subversion by making mermaids evil and krakens good. Mermaids are usually portrayed as good (despite original mythology portraying them as evil) and krakens are portrayed as evil.
That was the intent sure. Mermaid bad, Kraken good, dimestore subversion. And because Dreamworks can't help but take unearned potshots at classic Disney, they made their Evil Mermaid into a pastiche of Ariel. Except they did it the same year as the Live Action Little mermaid, they did it while keeping their protagonist darker-skinned than the evil mermaid (with a black boyfriend to boot), and they gave us the grandmother giving a rant about the mermaids that turns out to be true.
Whether they consciously meant to or not is irrelevant, they made themselves another part of the culture wars.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>they did it while keeping their protagonist darker-skinned than the evil mermaid
The protaganist is fricking blue
11 months ago
Anonymous
>vegan frozen yogurt
God has left us.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Ruby Gillman's
...does she make it herself?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It’s vegan so yea, because she’s got shit taste
11 months ago
Anonymous
With her very own blue menstrual blood.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Mmmm
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Blue isn't darker than white
Yes it is. It's a standard fantasy-dark. They keeping making drow blue because it'd be racist to just have the dark elves be black.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
11 months ago
Anonymous
>radio keeps playong some bastardized version
g-guy my I'm looking, like, a little more yellow. i'm getting worried...
NOT GREEN
11 months ago
Anonymous
>radio keeps playing some bastardized version
Yours too? Mine also plays some bastardized version of "Check Yo Self" with it, it's so tiresome.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know how many years has it been already with animation trying to make beam mouths appealing, and none of them aren't even as charming as wallace and gromit
11 months ago
Anonymous
is it fish flavoured?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The hell is Menchie’s?
11 months ago
Anonymous
She made it big
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've seen literally no one but you try to pin this movie on a greater culture war. There's no metaphors in this movie. It's just "hey what if the things you associated with good and were... le reversed?"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, dude, it's 2023. You can't go "that entire basically-human race is evil" without it having a deeper meaning. They decided to be quirky and make the classic fairytale races just like modern humans with a few visual tweaks. "It's kinda fricked up to show a whole basically-human (but with a slightly tweaked look and culture) alien/fantasy-race as evil" is something Star Trek and the like had figured out by the 80s. Dreamworks is so chuffed by their "clever" subversion that they've regressed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Evil mermaid looks like Ariel. Kraken is blue. Dreamworks isn't pozzed like Disney to put deeper woke meanings.
There will obviously be a moment when the characters see eye to eye and it turns out she’s not as bad as the kraken thought. Despite people thinking the big twist was already shown in the previews, I’m guessing there’s more to it.
I find that sort of thing hypocritical. Say what you want about setting realistic body standards, but when you start digitally editing real women to give them smaller chests, that's just another form of body shaming.
Nobody's going to buy that shit, just like nobody bought merch of the last LA movies and Star Wars sequels.
yes since I knew it would flop while everyone was shitting on Little Mermaid.
But TLM is flopping as well. Hell, it's arguably flopping harder because of its bloated budget. This isn't the victory you think it is, especially when chances are RG is going to beat it in terms of quality by default.
>when chances are RG is going to beat it in terms of quality by default
I doubt it. I went and saw TLM and that movie was surprisingly enjoyable.
The marketing for TLM told me nothing and I ended up with something.
The marketing for RG told me everything and I'll probably end up with nothing. Of course I won't be watching it until it hits VOD but still, I'd place my money on it being bad to mediocre.
>I went and saw TLM and that movie was surprisingly enjoyable.
Christ, you don't even have low standards, you have no standards altogether. The Scuttlebutt song alone is enough to place that movie as one of the worst thing's Disney's done in a while, which is saying quite a lot.
Does my post ruin this entire thread? Does it dismiss everything that's been discussed?
No? Same for Scuttlebutt and TLM - a two minute throwaway segment doesn't negate the other hour and a half. Although I didn't actually hate the song since Scuttle's character was fun. The only real problem with TLM was the dogshit Ursula stuff, but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The only real problem with TLM was the dogshit Ursula stuff, but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
Now I'm convinced you're a mouseshill, I refuse to believe an actual human being is this unsalvageable.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
Ursula was the best part about he original, you joyless automaton.
Does my post ruin this entire thread? Does it dismiss everything that's been discussed?
No? Same for Scuttlebutt and TLM - a two minute throwaway segment doesn't negate the other hour and a half. Although I didn't actually hate the song since Scuttle's character was fun. The only real problem with TLM was the dogshit Ursula stuff, but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
TLM isn't flopping anymore. It will underperform compared to the pre COVID Renaissance remakes, but it will make its budget back. Add the merch sales and VOD, and you've got a modest success.
It stalled at 300M, it needs AT LEAST around 400-500M just to break even. And again, who the hell are going to buy merchandise of this ugly crap especially when evidently not that many people watched it. If Disney can't even push merch sales of goddamn STAR WARS, this doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.
Idk why people skip the merch, it's a bigger deal than box office
TLM is a failure not because of the BO, but because who the heck is going to buy that monster crab/fish for their children
Mario, Paw Patrol and Spiderverse may very well be the only animation releases this year that won't flop. TMNT is a maybe and not sure about Wish after Strange World failed.
Elemental is DOA and Pixar knows it.
TMNT will make money but it's not gonna be a super mega hit. The brand name is too strong.
Wish depends entirely on word of mouth and what it has going for it. It's a disney princess fantasy film, which has done well for them in the past. They tried sci-fi in 2022 and it proved to not work for them yet again.
I think the TMNT movie will make money but just enough. The backlash on that one isn't as strong and people aren't indifferent to it like with Teenage Kraken.
I would just move the release schedule to later or earlier than when it's being shown. The 3 months after June/July are rather empty, so maybe release it there.
That or make it a streaming film.
It's not quite over.
Tracking is based on advance ticket sales, so it is normal for new properties to track low before critic scores are available. Tracking is also constantly in flux, and the movie's debut is three weeks away.
Foot traffic is high during Summer, and kids films opening at this time tend to snag families who only decide what to watch when they get to the theater. This would not be reflected in tracking.
There is considerable distance between this film and Super Mario for that not to be a concern. Spiderverse might still be around, but it would be in its 5th weekend, and that movie skews older. Its real competition will be Elemental, and I don't think word of mouth will help that film.
The sad part is the movie clearly hinges on it being novel to have a traditional pretty white redhead mermaid be LE SECRET VILLAIN after spending the movie pretending to be friendly. Even if the trailers hadn't fricked up that reveal a thousand times over, it's the sort of subversion that had lost all novelty by the time Shrek III rolled around. After years of evil and incompetent Prince Charmings and the like, there's nothing special about a not-Ariel that's pure evil.
Ruby Gillman will be more profitable. Disney's release model favors a first big weekend, but a short theatrical run. This is why Elemental having a low debut is catastrophic.
Universal is better equipped to support their movies in theaters for a long run, even after they're gone to PVOD. Puss In Boots The Last Wish spent 5 months in theaters. So a potentially long run plus what is likely a sub-100 million budget means this movie has a better chance of breaking even. Elemental has no chance.
Ruby feels like a DTV pilot film for a series that blundered its way into a theatrical release while Elemental is a cute seven minute short stretched to theatrical length.
DreamWorks seems to have mostly learned its lessons about the pitfalls of massive budgets though thanks to massive flops like Rise of the Guardians and underperformers like Turbo. Pixar budgets, though, still have issues with executive bloat and experimentation for the sake of experimentation rather than just doing what is necessary for the film they're currently making.
So Elemental is most likely going to be a worse flop even if it does wind up making more money than Ruby Gillman just by virtue of having that Pixar name attached.
I have a feeling that the budget will be shockingly low for some reason. Like possibly sub 40m. Sounds crazy but captain underpants was made for 38 and that Spirit Untamed movie in the OP pic cost 30m
Same. I thought it was a no name netflix release when I first saw it. Then after the mermaid fiasco people from /misc/ started fantasizing about this beating disney. That's when I realized it was a dreamworks theatrical release.
Spiderverse isn't a flop.
If you're reffering to the 54 percent drop, that's average for capeshit. The film skews older so it will play out more like a traditional cbm. I see it ending with 600m as it has already reached around 400.
Yeah. Worldwide opening is on par with TLM. Only difference is transformers is more international heavy while TLM is domestic heavy.
Its only hope is good wom and legs.
Spiderverse 1 opened to $35 mil weekend and ended with 350 mil. This one opened to $200 mil. People are seriously not understanding why these studios release movies in the summer and winter.
Malarky, it's not the lesbian shippers' fault that
1. Dreamworks has spoiled the whole movie via trailers
and
2. It turns out that batshit shippers came up with a better story than the actual writers.
That's a pretty epic frickup.
Shippers coming out after the release is preferable to people collectively turning their backs when it became clear it wasn't happening after seeing the trailers.
1. Literally nothing else in the movie was getting people excited.
2. Again, it's not the shippers fault that they already know their stuff has a 0% chance of happening due to Dreamworks spoiling the whole thing.
Whoever made the trailers should be fired. There's nothing more to see, we know how the story goes now. Right down to the three generations of women uniting to take out big evil Ariel at the end.
Who does that? Who spoils their whole movie?
>teenage kraken spoils the entire movie in their trailers >elemental literally tells you nothing and no one is still sure what the frick it's even about
It's like no one knows how to make trailers anymore.
>elemental literally tells you nothing and no one is still sure what the frick it's even about
I'm sure it's because the movie is just that, a whole hour of pointless drama with no resolution for the sake of sequel baiting (lol).
There's a few variants on the shippers' story, but they all deal with the idea that it turns out that Grandma's "Mermaids, what a bunch of vain thieving selfish b***hes" rant was wrong, and Chelsea wasn't all bad. Maybe initially she's not great, but she's not a cackling villain.
From the trailers we know this is a movie about a Krakken living on land as a human, with her whole family passing as humans, and she's been going to human school her whole life. Then she finds out that actually her mom is actually the PRINCESS that ran away from the Krakken throne and Ruvy learns she's not just some weird creature that can live in water, she's a super-powered Princess herself! And she meets her grandma who tells her that she's basically a royal superhero kaiju bestest-thing-ever who exists to fight the evil Mermaids! Ruby's mom fled to the land to live like a human because she wants a "normal life."
Meanwhile Ruby has made a friend named Chelsea, who is a mermaid and knows Ruby's secret and encourages her to do "turn into a giant creature and do superpower" stuff, even though Ruby's mom doesn't want her to. Eventually Chelsea tricks Ruby into getting her The MacGuffin Trident, which makes Chelsea giant and super powerful, and she reveals her evil plan to rule the oceans or whatever, because she really is just pure evil.
Then Ruby fights her and it might look like all is lost, but look, it's her family to the rescue, and Ruby's Grandmother and Mother reunite to help Ruby defeat the evil Mermaid. And Ruby comes of age and declares "you just need balance!" somehow merging her grandmother's superhero-kaiju-princess life with her mom's sensible on-the-land-normal-kid life.
Also she gets the boyfriend, which is actually a shame because he has the worst design of any boyfriend in Cinemaphile history.
The End.
Only subversive in the context of the Disney movie. Mermaids were always evil in mythology.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Mermaids were always evil in mythology.
Not exactly. >One story tells of a fisherman who carried a stranded mermaid back into the sea and was rewarded with the location of treasure. Another recounts the tale of a baby mermaid who stole a doll from a human little girl, but was rebuked by her mother and sent back to the girl with a gift of a pearl necklace to atone for the theft. A third story tells of a fishing family that made regular gifts of apples to a mermaid and was rewarded with prosperity >The beautiful havfrue of Scandinavia may be benevolent or malicious
They do tend toward evil, so you are mostly right, but folkloric and mythological mermaids do run the gamut.
One of the first "mermaids" we know of is the goddess Atargatis, who was benign. She's predated by a whole lot of mermen, though, like the Apkallu and Kullulu.
Just the trailers, but all of that's in one trailer or another. There's not even that many trailers, they just managed to put in key and revealing moments that they really shouldn't have.
>Eventually Chelsea tricks Ruby into getting her The MacGuffin Trident, which makes Chelsea giant and super powerful, and she reveals her evil plan to rule the oceans or whatever, because she really is just pure evil
ayo you can just steal whole plot beats like that?
I don't think you could fund that on $10 anon.
Most shipper stories are dogshit unless you're a moron who judges stories based on how hard they make your dick.
The shippers' story was better, and it wasn't good. This is going to be a clumsy coming-of-age thing, and it looks to be worse in that genre than the other fare in that category we've gotten in recent years, like The Mitchells vs. the Machines.
>SPIRIT UNTAMED
Literally what? >Projected to make 8 mil domestically
That’s crazy for an animated movie in this decade. But that’s fine with me, I don’t care if it bombs or not. The less people in the theatre the more comfortable I’ll be whipping my dick out and jacking it to Ruby on the big screen.
>People are seriously not understanding why these studios release movies in the summer and winter.
I'm moronic, why?
People are home. All movies gets massive bumps as soon as days off start, I'm talking opening day bumps.
>SPIRIT UNTAMED
Literally what? >Projected to make 8 mil domestically
That’s crazy for an animated movie in this decade. But that’s fine with me, I don’t care if it bombs or not. The less people in the theatre the more comfortable I’ll be whipping my dick out and jacking it to Ruby on the big screen.
How do the numbers guys estimate this kind of thing?
I'm genuinely curious, idk how those predictions work. How can they guess how many tickets will be bought?
>tracking to >something that's not out for another 2 weeks
Useless garbage speculation.
I could write an article saying it's "tracking to" make $80 million. It's just words to get clicks.
>Spirit Untamed >Spirit Untamed is a 2021 American computer-animated adventure comedy film, that is a sequel/spin-off to the 2002 traditionally-animated film Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, as well as being a CGI reboot of the Netflix series, Spirit Riding Free
Holy shit I did NEVER even hear about this movie, let alone the netflix show. Who the frick tries to capitalize on spirit of all things almost 2 decades after the fact? Did Cinemaphile ever talk anout it (the 2021 movie) at all?
You're not wrong, but I see the same complaint from clueless anons in every thread and I want to single you out for no reason in particular and ask you this question.
Public flyers, commercials, promotional material, generally stuff that puts the product in the public spotlight while making it interesting.
I've seen jack for this film besides a few posts on Twitter for it and apparently
>they did it while keeping their protagonist darker-skinned than the evil mermaid
The protaganist is fricking blue
>Public flyers
Are you serious? I thought you'd say billboards or something, but this? >Commercials, promotional material
Do you still have cable television? If so, do you exclusively watch childrens channels that would have animated movie promos? Even if you do, I doubt many other adults today do as well. If you're talking about YouTube don't most people use adblock or click the Skip This Ad option regardless of what it's for? >I've seen jack for this film besides a few posts on Twitter
Well I think you hit the nail on the head. You just described what 99% of, certainly Cinemaphile users, are exposed to that could possibly serve as a vehicle for advertising. Maybe this movie is a bad example, but do you see where I'm coming from? I never saw any of the things you described for Avatar 2 myself, but that film did just fine.
There's this idea among autists that "advertising" is an end-all explanation for every movie's failure. I don't want to call you an autist, just bringing it up in regards to others. Thanks for responding.
This is what they get for not focusing on merit. The villain is the beautiful character, people don't want to see beauty vilified while the humans of the good side look bizarre.
Everyone in this board keeps obsessing over Gwen possibly being trans in Spider-Verse that I'm surprised that no one else has pointed out that Ruby's little brother is literally voiced by a trans actor.
>I'm surprised that you don't care about a literally who happens to be trans and does a VA job in this movie.
Nobody cares. goku is voiced by a woman and you don't see anyone care.
seriously, voice acting should be color and gender blind, if you have the voice you got the voice. I hate that you have to be a certain race to play a the race, it restricts talent, if little timmy is the whitest motherfricker but has a deep voice let him do any character.
Even the people who looked forward to it(mostly for Chelsea porn and some for the non-canon lesbian shipping) didn't expect it to be successful. They just hope the movie is decent enough for more fanart to be generated
I think they've shoved it in people's eyeballs. Trailers were playing before every vaguely kid-appropriate movie all year. It just looks forgettable enough that people actually don't remember it when they leave.
>Oh boy, Illumination is leading the pack! We're getting nothing but unfunny paint-by-numbers adaptations of existing media, like Illumination's Grinch (featuring a nice not-so-Grinchy Grinch)!
they played a really long trailer before the Little Mermaid. all you could hear was the gramma rambling on and Ruby and the mermaid yelling stock hero phrases. I was like, let it end already.
>Mermaid with red hair and nothing else noteworthy >OH MY GOD, LOOK AT THIS DISS AT DISNEY, BUUUURRN, THE FEUD IS GOING STRONG! HOW CAN DISNEY SLEEP AT NIGHT?!
Oh frick off already with this bullshit Dreamworks versus Disney bullshit.
Don't be obtuse. It's a "take that" at Disney.
I don't give a shit if both companies crash and burn, but it's ridiculous to act like Dreamworks has no history of taking shots at Disney.
Even IF Chelsea is a take at Ariel(and that's a BIG if) it's really literally the only thing in the entire movie that is even close to resembling the little mermaid. Unless you count the kraken being the good guy, which would be a really moronic take.
For every single thing that may resemble something from Disney Little Mermaid, there are a 100 other things that are completely different. So stop with this bullshit "this movie just exist to piss off Disney"
Is anyone actually surprised about this? Nobody talked about this besides a couple of fetishists on Cinemaphile
I'm surprised it didn't go straight to streaming
I've seen it being mentioned in several youtube videos. Some were about "They take the piss out of disney!" others were about "Here are the upcoming animated movies that peaked my interest"
thus nothing major, but it's not like it's entirely forgotten by the masses
Speaking of Dreamworks, they revealed their new upcoming film: ‘ORION AND THE DARK’, written by Charlie Kaufman. Never expected him to be working on a kid's film for Dreamworks, but that's cool. It's releasing on netflix in 2024. Seems that next year will be more interesting for Dreamworks films than this one.
It was over from the start. The first trailer spoils the entire movie. Plus it's ugly to boot.
This, I have no faith they'll pull a twist like with Megamind or surprise us like with Puss and Boots 2. When Grandma Kraken started to list off Ruby's powers like generic superhero I checked out.
>The first trailer spoils the entire movie.
I get the antispoiler cult is one of the endless groups that thinks they're victims and has convinced themselves that the thing that bothers them is a sink or swim issue for everyone else too, but the sheer lack of awareness is both ironic and fascinating.
Outside of thrillers, 95% of movies have at least one trailer (if not the majority of the marketing campaign) that is a straight outline of the plot, because that's what audiences want, to know what movie they're going to watch, even if they b***h about it. How do you not know that, since that's specifically the thing that annoys you?
Either you're dishonest or a moron
>This movie is about a spy fighting a villain in a mask
is not the same as
>This movie is about James Dong, who lost his father when he was just 10 years old. Meet his villain, the man in the mask *Haha, I'm the man in the mask, and even though you thought your dad died when you were just 10, the truth is I survived. I'M YOUR FATHER* watch James Dong in theaters to find out who the man behind the man in the mask is *picture of James Dong in a cloning vat*
>if I set up a false comparison I can make anything true!
Yes, the second example is closer to what 95% of movie marketing campaigns do. The details withheld are more a matter of the limited length of a trailer than any desire to avoid spoiling, but they'll happily show you the capstone quotes and climactic scenes, because it gets you in the door to see the context.
This.
If they hadn't included the scenes of the final battle with Chelsea (in MULTIPLE trailers, right down to including the scene where the three generations combine their forces), you MIGHT be able to argue that the thing was just giving an "outline" of the movie to let people know what they're getting in for.
This goes way further than was necessary.
creative post
We need to get Don LaFontaine back from the dead to make these movie trailers more bearable.
Someone should make a youtube channel that is the opposite of "honest trailers", in that where they make trailers that are just doing what trailers are meant to be doing.
Even if you ignore the people only complaining about a plot twist being spoiled. It literally walks you through the entire film.
>It literally walks you through the entire film.
>95% of movies have at least one trailer that is a straight outline of the plot
Oh, you’re one of THOSE gays. I’m ducking out of this argument early.
The real twist is that pseudo Ariel is actually grandmama's former bff (and equally old, because mermaids don't physically age, or she transformed like Ursula.) She's also a mermaid queen and the whole krakens vs. mermaids bullshit arose from some petty conflict between the two, perhaps caused by a misunderstanding. They make up in the end with the help of Ruby. Screencap this.
I didn't watch it, but not all mermaids are white in the movie, and I doubt that whoever made this thing is tone deaf enough to say that a whole race of fish people, including brown/black women led by a girlboss are irredeemably evil monsters, in the current year.
I have not seen ONE thing about this movie outside of Cinemaphile.
Do movie companies just not advertise anymore?
It really does feel like studios have cut back since the pandemic. Puss in Boots had an abysmal opening but became very profitable thanks to WoM and christmas legs.
I've seen trailers thrown around, but none of them received much attention.
Then again I didn't see many people caring about puss 2 until it came out.
A commercial came on during a YouTube ad and my mom skipped it immediately. It's over.
2023 is the year of flops.
May Hollywood receive the death it deserves.
Please no. I can't handle any more Mario-tier slop. I never imagined such a soulless movie existing but it did.
Get ready for Illumination's Zelda movie.
It's happening whether you like it or not.
>I never imagined such a soulless movie existing but it did.
This was your fiirst illumination flick, I take it.
It wasn't even a movie. It was a very very soulless Mario advertisement. It's one thing to shill your own products. It's another to put violently shilling your products over making a semi coherent movie.
>I never imagined such a soulless movie existing
Most Pixar movies in the last 10 years were way more souless
Mario is basically the Emoji movie, but with Mario references instead of cellphone references.
and was still better than the countless cheap Toy Story and Cars sequels, Toy Story 3 was literally just Toy Story 2 all over again
> Toy Story 3 was literally just Toy Story 2 all over again
A repeat of a good story is better than no story at all (mario)
It was better than the period and asian moms bad movie as well.
They crammed too many movies in this summer.
So many upcoming releases are set to underperform.
The Flash: 70m (bad due to 200m budget. Black Adam opened the same)
Elemental: 35m (terrible for a 200m budget)
Indy 5: 65 (Terrible for a fricking 300m budget)
Spiderverse was lucky from "just be first" and even then the competition alone is bad.
Spiderverse is doing well because it's currently being called one of the best movies of all time and its budget is in check.
Yeah I should have mentioned its budget.
I wonder how much Ruby Gillman cost. DreamWorks has been good about budgeting
Probably between 50-100m--standard Dreamworks budgets.
also it's a sequel to an extremely highly regarded film and has good WoM going for it for everyone that ISN'T from Cinemaphile
>Elemental: 35m (terrible for a 200m budget)
How does an animated film wind up spending 200 million?
Probably the water visuals and celebrity cast
What celebrities? I don't recognize a single actor in elemental
Blockbuster animation is extremely expensive. Big 2D movies like The Prince of Egypt cost 100M back in 1998. That would be about 185M in today’s money. Wall-E cost 180M in 2008 - that’s 250M adjusted for inflation.
I find it hilarious Lex Luthor bragged about spending 60 million dollars just to tip superman off meanwhile Disney cartoon cost 200 million to make
>2023 is the year of flops.
bro we're gonna default soon. If you're spending money on movie tickets instead of canned food you're a moron.
I disagree. Have fun now, it's your last chance.
You know a film is FRICKED if even anon's mom isn't interested
The only reason I've seen people praising it its because of the mermaid girl, and that's only because of LA-TLM controversy.
I saw a trailer for it before GOTG3 and my mom said "wow that looks like shit." Other than on Cinemaphile, I have not heard anyone talk about it, and in all fairness, I don't think it has an inherently big movie as a school teenager drama. It might have had bigger impact had it been a pandemic streaming movie.
I don't have any interest in watching a by the books girl coming of age story, let alone one where the trailer spoiled the ENITRE movie
Once Pixar and Dreamworks learned that Illumination signed on to make a Mario movie, their advertisers saw the writing on the wall and decided to phone it in until the hype died down because they knew there was no feasible way to compete—anything they tried to advertise would be drowned out by Mario.
This movie is coming out long after Mario.
And now it’s being drowned out by Spiderverse
Possibly. But this really feels like it should've been a tv show.
TLM will obviously gross more but its budget keeps it from being a success.
>little mermaid is succeeding
Christ that's sad, society really is easily manipulated.
B-b-b-but theres a white, hot mermaid
IT'S NOT WOKE SO IT HAS TO SUCCEED THIS IS FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the contrary, the "hot white mermaid" is the villain. In fact the dark-skinned gran-ma-ma says all Mermaids are evil selfish thieves and then the movie goes on to show that the only mermaid that matters proves her racewar rhetoric has a point. It's a perfect example of making your content woke out of sheer laziness and lack of common sense.
Dreamworks probably didn't mean to stumble their way into making terrible social commentary, but they did it to themselves by not thinking things through.
You're reaching
Putting out a movie with "traditional Ariel, but evil" out the same year as the "Live Action Little Mermaid" is inviting yourself to the Currentyear Politics Party. Not being able to read the room is no excuse.
Or the non-schizo reason is dreamworks is doing actual subversion by making mermaids evil and krakens good. Mermaids are usually portrayed as good (despite original mythology portraying them as evil) and krakens are portrayed as evil.
That was the intent sure. Mermaid bad, Kraken good, dimestore subversion. And because Dreamworks can't help but take unearned potshots at classic Disney, they made their Evil Mermaid into a pastiche of Ariel. Except they did it the same year as the Live Action Little mermaid, they did it while keeping their protagonist darker-skinned than the evil mermaid (with a black boyfriend to boot), and they gave us the grandmother giving a rant about the mermaids that turns out to be true.
Whether they consciously meant to or not is irrelevant, they made themselves another part of the culture wars.
>they did it while keeping their protagonist darker-skinned than the evil mermaid
The protaganist is fricking blue
>vegan frozen yogurt
God has left us.
>Ruby Gillman's
...does she make it herself?
It’s vegan so yea, because she’s got shit taste
With her very own blue menstrual blood.
Mmmm
>Blue isn't darker than white
Yes it is. It's a standard fantasy-dark. They keeping making drow blue because it'd be racist to just have the dark elves be black.
Da ba dee da ba di
Da ba dee da ba di
>radio keeps playong some bastardized version
g-guy my I'm looking, like, a little more yellow. i'm getting worried...
NOT GREEN
>radio keeps playing some bastardized version
Yours too? Mine also plays some bastardized version of "Check Yo Self" with it, it's so tiresome.
I don't know how many years has it been already with animation trying to make beam mouths appealing, and none of them aren't even as charming as wallace and gromit
is it fish flavoured?
The hell is Menchie’s?
She made it big
I've seen literally no one but you try to pin this movie on a greater culture war. There's no metaphors in this movie. It's just "hey what if the things you associated with good and were... le reversed?"
Yeah, dude, it's 2023. You can't go "that entire basically-human race is evil" without it having a deeper meaning. They decided to be quirky and make the classic fairytale races just like modern humans with a few visual tweaks. "It's kinda fricked up to show a whole basically-human (but with a slightly tweaked look and culture) alien/fantasy-race as evil" is something Star Trek and the like had figured out by the 80s. Dreamworks is so chuffed by their "clever" subversion that they've regressed.
Evil mermaid looks like Ariel. Kraken is blue. Dreamworks isn't pozzed like Disney to put deeper woke meanings.
Real fantasy enjoyers know anything non-human is a danger to humanity and must be either killed by the sword or tamed by the 'sword'
Sounds like the movie was accidentally anti Semitic
There will obviously be a moment when the characters see eye to eye and it turns out she’s not as bad as the kraken thought. Despite people thinking the big twist was already shown in the previews, I’m guessing there’s more to it.
>reddit
That's dissapointing
Hallebros
We won
Somebody screenshot me, cause I predict this movie making 45 million on opening weekend, and then settling about 134 worldworld.
If you're wrong, you have to post your face and butthole
Here's my face.
I'm da wabbit.
The general concept is neat, but they made it as unappealing as possible.
Damn, and right after it seemed dreamworld was getting good
APOLOGIZE TO MY ARIEL RIGHT NOW!!!
Only if she lets me suck on those chocolate milkies
I'm sorry miss. Can I touch your boobs?
god I wanna suck on her breasts so bad
Why didn't she look like this in the fricking movie
Disney flattened her
CG breast reduction, can't let the kiddies see those thangs
Perhaps I was a little too harsh on you.
Now gimme those boobies.
wait a second, I saw that movie, and it was missing THAT!
WHAT DID DISNEY DO TO THE BOOBA?
breasts on a woman are horrid or something
Wait what the FRICK. Those are fricking D's at least
Did the israelites at Disney seriously reduce her breast size?
Yep total erasure
I find that sort of thing hypocritical. Say what you want about setting realistic body standards, but when you start digitally editing real women to give them smaller chests, that's just another form of body shaming.
Halle Berry is 56 and playing a kid 40 years younger. They did all kinds of CGI to make her look like a teenage fishgirl.
Anon I...
She should stop being an actress there is no future in it
Make an only fans instead
She can sing and has big tidies but she's honestly pretty damn shit at acting. Embarrassing that her big movie is on track to lose money
someone get her eye distance sliders fixed first, ain't fricking no fish person
This looks like a straight-to-streaming movie rather than one suited for theatrical release. But who knows, it might not suck.
who is this thing aimed at exactly
Young girls
Animation studios need to stay the frick away from children.
>Animation studios need to stay the frick away from their customers
Do you every hear yourself when you talk?
How is it suceeding? It's on track to lose money.
Merchandise sales
>Pokemon's made more than half as much from Trading Cards than form the games themselves
Yeesh what a racket. Imagine being a trading card whale.
The games only exist as content drops at this point.
Nobody's going to buy that shit, just like nobody bought merch of the last LA movies and Star Wars sequels.
But TLM is flopping as well. Hell, it's arguably flopping harder because of its bloated budget. This isn't the victory you think it is, especially when chances are RG is going to beat it in terms of quality by default.
>when chances are RG is going to beat it in terms of quality by default
I doubt it. I went and saw TLM and that movie was surprisingly enjoyable.
The marketing for TLM told me nothing and I ended up with something.
The marketing for RG told me everything and I'll probably end up with nothing. Of course I won't be watching it until it hits VOD but still, I'd place my money on it being bad to mediocre.
>I went and saw TLM and that movie was surprisingly enjoyable.
Christ, you don't even have low standards, you have no standards altogether. The Scuttlebutt song alone is enough to place that movie as one of the worst thing's Disney's done in a while, which is saying quite a lot.
Does my post ruin this entire thread? Does it dismiss everything that's been discussed?
No? Same for Scuttlebutt and TLM - a two minute throwaway segment doesn't negate the other hour and a half. Although I didn't actually hate the song since Scuttle's character was fun. The only real problem with TLM was the dogshit Ursula stuff, but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
>The only real problem with TLM was the dogshit Ursula stuff, but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
Now I'm convinced you're a mouseshill, I refuse to believe an actual human being is this unsalvageable.
>but that was also just as bad in the cartoon.
Ursula was the best part about he original, you joyless automaton.
the scuttlebutt is that I want to frick the bird
This. I watched the first half an hour of a TS cam, which was enough to make me glad I spent no money before turning it off.
TLM isn't flopping anymore. It will underperform compared to the pre COVID Renaissance remakes, but it will make its budget back. Add the merch sales and VOD, and you've got a modest success.
It stalled at 300M, it needs AT LEAST around 400-500M just to break even. And again, who the hell are going to buy merchandise of this ugly crap especially when evidently not that many people watched it. If Disney can't even push merch sales of goddamn STAR WARS, this doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.
It was at $414.2M two days ago.
Idk why people skip the merch, it's a bigger deal than box office
TLM is a failure not because of the BO, but because who the heck is going to buy that monster crab/fish for their children
The humans in this movie are some of the ugliest troglodytes ever animated.
Probably everyone watching Spiderverse instead.
Mario, Paw Patrol and Spiderverse may very well be the only animation releases this year that won't flop. TMNT is a maybe and not sure about Wish after Strange World failed.
Elemental is DOA and Pixar knows it.
TMNT will make money but it's not gonna be a super mega hit. The brand name is too strong.
Wish depends entirely on word of mouth and what it has going for it. It's a disney princess fantasy film, which has done well for them in the past. They tried sci-fi in 2022 and it proved to not work for them yet again.
I think the TMNT movie will make money but just enough. The backlash on that one isn't as strong and people aren't indifferent to it like with Teenage Kraken.
Is this a "mean popular girl vs. virtuous uggo" story?
Looks like it.
But the uggo isn't that bad looking considering the background characters look like utter mutants.
Furries sell in the west, monster girls do not and the artstyle isn't anime so the weebs don't care. Ends up being a film for no one.
>Implying the "virtuous uggo" is ever actually ugly in those movies
But but but Cinemaphile told me people WANT to see redheaded characters in movies and animation!
If only they had made the mermaid black, they'd have corporations buying out entire movie theaters plus ESG money. Now they've got bupkis.
How do they track how much a movie will make before it's even out yet?
Most theaters sell in advance for specific seats.
Pre bookings
I thought they were past the whole trying to spite Disney thing. Puss in booters were shilling this movie hard.
>Puss in booters were shilling this movie hard.
I also noticed they were shitting on spiderverse but stopped after it made so much money.
anybody shitting on spiderverse is a Miles hater
I refuse to believe this will be THAT much of a flop.
Little Mermaid is going to be a pretty considerable net loss solely because of China lol
Well, this is an another DreamWorks bomb, tell me, how would you guys fix the movie, (without adding/removing any characters).
I would just move the release schedule to later or earlier than when it's being shown. The 3 months after June/July are rather empty, so maybe release it there.
That or make it a streaming film.
It's not quite over.
Tracking is based on advance ticket sales, so it is normal for new properties to track low before critic scores are available. Tracking is also constantly in flux, and the movie's debut is three weeks away.
Foot traffic is high during Summer, and kids films opening at this time tend to snag families who only decide what to watch when they get to the theater. This would not be reflected in tracking.
There is considerable distance between this film and Super Mario for that not to be a concern. Spiderverse might still be around, but it would be in its 5th weekend, and that movie skews older. Its real competition will be Elemental, and I don't think word of mouth will help that film.
Shrek died for this.
The sad part is the movie clearly hinges on it being novel to have a traditional pretty white redhead mermaid be LE SECRET VILLAIN after spending the movie pretending to be friendly. Even if the trailers hadn't fricked up that reveal a thousand times over, it's the sort of subversion that had lost all novelty by the time Shrek III rolled around. After years of evil and incompetent Prince Charmings and the like, there's nothing special about a not-Ariel that's pure evil.
This vs Elemental. Flop to Flop, who y'all got?
it's a race to see who flops harder or lower?
I've seen some actual discussion about Elemental, so I'm betting it'll make more money.
Ruby will gross less but Elemental's flop will still be more embarrassing considering how high of a standard Pixar had.
Ruby Gillman will be more profitable. Disney's release model favors a first big weekend, but a short theatrical run. This is why Elemental having a low debut is catastrophic.
Universal is better equipped to support their movies in theaters for a long run, even after they're gone to PVOD. Puss In Boots The Last Wish spent 5 months in theaters. So a potentially long run plus what is likely a sub-100 million budget means this movie has a better chance of breaking even. Elemental has no chance.
Pixar is already laying people off in prep for Elemental's failure. I'm willing to bet it opens sub 30m
Elemental might leg it to decent numbers if it gets a good WOM. The Kraken girl movie is DOA.
Kraken will make less money but Elemental will lose more.
Ruby feels like a DTV pilot film for a series that blundered its way into a theatrical release while Elemental is a cute seven minute short stretched to theatrical length.
DreamWorks seems to have mostly learned its lessons about the pitfalls of massive budgets though thanks to massive flops like Rise of the Guardians and underperformers like Turbo. Pixar budgets, though, still have issues with executive bloat and experimentation for the sake of experimentation rather than just doing what is necessary for the film they're currently making.
So Elemental is most likely going to be a worse flop even if it does wind up making more money than Ruby Gillman just by virtue of having that Pixar name attached.
I have a feeling that the budget will be shockingly low for some reason. Like possibly sub 40m. Sounds crazy but captain underpants was made for 38 and that Spirit Untamed movie in the OP pic cost 30m
Wait, this shit's a Dreamworks movie? I thought it was some no-name upstart.
Same. I thought it was a no name netflix release when I first saw it. Then after the mermaid fiasco people from /misc/ started fantasizing about this beating disney. That's when I realized it was a dreamworks theatrical release.
Well, are the girls straight? Don't lie.
they're both gonna flop this is just gonna flop worse
>little mermaid flops
>spiderverse flops
>transformers flops
WTF is going on?
Spiderverse isn't a flop.
If you're reffering to the 54 percent drop, that's average for capeshit. The film skews older so it will play out more like a traditional cbm. I see it ending with 600m as it has already reached around 400.
Even if it made no more money now, it still wouldn't be a flop since it broken even long ago.
Transformers films being shit is par for the course, Bumblebee was an anomaly
Being shit is par for the course, flopping is not.
This new one even flopped in China of all places, it opened worse than random anime movies.
Yeah. Worldwide opening is on par with TLM. Only difference is transformers is more international heavy while TLM is domestic heavy.
Its only hope is good wom and legs.
Was gonna blame racism since RotB humans are all darkies, but I actually haven't seen the last couple so not sure if that's unique to the latest movie
Spiderverse 1 opened to $35 mil weekend and ended with 350 mil. This one opened to $200 mil. People are seriously not understanding why these studios release movies in the summer and winter.
>People are seriously not understanding why these studios release movies in the summer and winter.
I'm moronic, why?
Kids are off school.
Indy 5 will flop too. There’s too many movies and not enough interested people in the post-Covid era of streaming.
It’s over. Expect 100s of theaters to shut down.
this serves as a cautionary tale about letting shippers who know nothing do the online promotion for your film before the premiere
You mean you DON'T want sloppy wet lesbian fish sex in your DreamWorks movie?
Who doesn't? The problem is everyone hyped it until they got blue balled by all the recent trailers and material.
Malarky, it's not the lesbian shippers' fault that
1. Dreamworks has spoiled the whole movie via trailers
and
2. It turns out that batshit shippers came up with a better story than the actual writers.
That's a pretty epic frickup.
Shippers coming out after the release is preferable to people collectively turning their backs when it became clear it wasn't happening after seeing the trailers.
1. Literally nothing else in the movie was getting people excited.
2. Again, it's not the shippers fault that they already know their stuff has a 0% chance of happening due to Dreamworks spoiling the whole thing.
Whoever made the trailers should be fired. There's nothing more to see, we know how the story goes now. Right down to the three generations of women uniting to take out big evil Ariel at the end.
Who does that? Who spoils their whole movie?
>teenage kraken spoils the entire movie in their trailers
>elemental literally tells you nothing and no one is still sure what the frick it's even about
It's like no one knows how to make trailers anymore.
>elemental literally tells you nothing and no one is still sure what the frick it's even about
I'm sure it's because the movie is just that, a whole hour of pointless drama with no resolution for the sake of sequel baiting (lol).
>Who does that? Who spoils their whole movie?
you been living under a rock, it's been a major criticism of trailers for years now
What's shippers story and what's the actual story?
There's a few variants on the shippers' story, but they all deal with the idea that it turns out that Grandma's "Mermaids, what a bunch of vain thieving selfish b***hes" rant was wrong, and Chelsea wasn't all bad. Maybe initially she's not great, but she's not a cackling villain.
From the trailers we know this is a movie about a Krakken living on land as a human, with her whole family passing as humans, and she's been going to human school her whole life. Then she finds out that actually her mom is actually the PRINCESS that ran away from the Krakken throne and Ruvy learns she's not just some weird creature that can live in water, she's a super-powered Princess herself! And she meets her grandma who tells her that she's basically a royal superhero kaiju bestest-thing-ever who exists to fight the evil Mermaids! Ruby's mom fled to the land to live like a human because she wants a "normal life."
Meanwhile Ruby has made a friend named Chelsea, who is a mermaid and knows Ruby's secret and encourages her to do "turn into a giant creature and do superpower" stuff, even though Ruby's mom doesn't want her to. Eventually Chelsea tricks Ruby into getting her The MacGuffin Trident, which makes Chelsea giant and super powerful, and she reveals her evil plan to rule the oceans or whatever, because she really is just pure evil.
Then Ruby fights her and it might look like all is lost, but look, it's her family to the rescue, and Ruby's Grandmother and Mother reunite to help Ruby defeat the evil Mermaid. And Ruby comes of age and declares "you just need balance!" somehow merging her grandmother's superhero-kaiju-princess life with her mom's sensible on-the-land-normal-kid life.
Also she gets the boyfriend, which is actually a shame because he has the worst design of any boyfriend in Cinemaphile history.
The End.
Sounds kinda lame. Somehow just keeping it as highschool drama sounds more appealing.
>Mermaids are bad
>Monarchies are still the best government possible though
Even when they're trying to be subversive they can't help but do shit like making the heroine a princess.
Only subversive in the context of the Disney movie. Mermaids were always evil in mythology.
>Mermaids were always evil in mythology.
Not exactly.
>One story tells of a fisherman who carried a stranded mermaid back into the sea and was rewarded with the location of treasure. Another recounts the tale of a baby mermaid who stole a doll from a human little girl, but was rebuked by her mother and sent back to the girl with a gift of a pearl necklace to atone for the theft. A third story tells of a fishing family that made regular gifts of apples to a mermaid and was rewarded with prosperity
>The beautiful havfrue of Scandinavia may be benevolent or malicious
They do tend toward evil, so you are mostly right, but folkloric and mythological mermaids do run the gamut.
One of the first "mermaids" we know of is the goddess Atargatis, who was benign. She's predated by a whole lot of mermen, though, like the Apkallu and Kullulu.
have you watched it already?
Just the trailers, but all of that's in one trailer or another. There's not even that many trailers, they just managed to put in key and revealing moments that they really shouldn't have.
>Eventually Chelsea tricks Ruby into getting her The MacGuffin Trident, which makes Chelsea giant and super powerful, and she reveals her evil plan to rule the oceans or whatever, because she really is just pure evil
ayo you can just steal whole plot beats like that?
Not stealing if they're just handing them away.
>living on land as a human, with her whole family passing as humans
homie she blue
Magic or some shit. I don't have to explain it, I didn't write it.
Fake and gay. You're just paraphrasing The Little Mermaid 2.
That’s is the plot tho, Little Mermaid 2 is just a better Ruby Gillman since it’s handdrawn and the character design isn’t shit
That's... that's embarrassing. Why would DreamWorks get their plot from a direct-to-video sequel?
If I had a dollar every time shippers came up with a better story then what we got, i could fund a Shrek 5 animated in the style of Last Wish
I don't think you could fund that on $10 anon.
Most shipper stories are dogshit unless you're a moron who judges stories based on how hard they make your dick.
>judges stories based on how hard they make your dick.
we're on Cinemaphile, you dont?
God no, when I want to fap to a story I just fap, but if it's a shit story I'm still going to think it's shit even if it appeals to all my fetishes.
The shippers' story was better, and it wasn't good. This is going to be a clumsy coming-of-age thing, and it looks to be worse in that genre than the other fare in that category we've gotten in recent years, like The Mitchells vs. the Machines.
The smart thing is to ignore shippers, bait them like the morons they are and let them make up their own headcanon, take their money, and dip.
I think lesbian mermaid animated story would have actually sold better
Seems about right. I've seen literally no advertising for it aside from the trailer before spiderverse.
Here's your love interest, sis
Why do they always design Black folk like this. Soul had the same basic design.
>white character heads taper downward
>black character heads taper upward
hmmm....
was going to shil the movie to my whole family until a saw this goofy looking goober.
nope couldn't be me.
I'd like to support this movie it's just too teen girly for me to go see it in a theater. I'll buy the home release though.
Pussy. I saw the horse movie 6 times in the theater alone and you don't see me crying about it.
Commendable. What was the audience like? Actual kids or other grown men?
Mostly families with a couple of adult males
Be proud of who you are
People are home. All movies gets massive bumps as soon as days off start, I'm talking opening day bumps.
>SPIRIT UNTAMED
Literally what?
>Projected to make 8 mil domestically
That’s crazy for an animated movie in this decade. But that’s fine with me, I don’t care if it bombs or not. The less people in the theatre the more comfortable I’ll be whipping my dick out and jacking it to Ruby on the big screen.
>I’ll be whipping my dick out and jacking it to Ruby on the big screen.
Y-You mean Chelsea...?
That's a terrible title
How do the numbers guys estimate this kind of thing?
I'm genuinely curious, idk how those predictions work. How can they guess how many tickets will be bought?
They usually go by ticket presales, which I am unsure if is even a good metric for family-oriented movies.
see
the girls look ugly as hell
why would anyone see this shit?
Is this like a personal win for you or something?
NTA but I'm just laughing too
yes since I knew it would flop while everyone was shitting on Little Mermaid.
Considering DreamWorks didn't even announce this movie until three months ago, that's not a surprise. They should've started marketing ir earlier
They're both flops even if one flops harder.
sequel confirmed
Melodychads rise up
the dress is fricking phenomenal
>tracking to
>something that's not out for another 2 weeks
Useless garbage speculation.
I could write an article saying it's "tracking to" make $80 million. It's just words to get clicks.
>Spirit Untamed
>Spirit Untamed is a 2021 American computer-animated adventure comedy film, that is a sequel/spin-off to the 2002 traditionally-animated film Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, as well as being a CGI reboot of the Netflix series, Spirit Riding Free
Holy shit I did NEVER even hear about this movie, let alone the netflix show. Who the frick tries to capitalize on spirit of all things almost 2 decades after the fact? Did Cinemaphile ever talk anout it (the 2021 movie) at all?
Dreamsworks did frick all to advertise this, it's more embarrassing on Disney's port since they did whatever they could to prop LM up.
Ok, what do you consider good advertising?
You're not wrong, but I see the same complaint from clueless anons in every thread and I want to single you out for no reason in particular and ask you this question.
Public flyers, commercials, promotional material, generally stuff that puts the product in the public spotlight while making it interesting.
I've seen jack for this film besides a few posts on Twitter for it and apparently
>Public flyers
Are you serious? I thought you'd say billboards or something, but this?
>Commercials, promotional material
Do you still have cable television? If so, do you exclusively watch childrens channels that would have animated movie promos? Even if you do, I doubt many other adults today do as well. If you're talking about YouTube don't most people use adblock or click the Skip This Ad option regardless of what it's for?
>I've seen jack for this film besides a few posts on Twitter
Well I think you hit the nail on the head. You just described what 99% of, certainly Cinemaphile users, are exposed to that could possibly serve as a vehicle for advertising. Maybe this movie is a bad example, but do you see where I'm coming from? I never saw any of the things you described for Avatar 2 myself, but that film did just fine.
There's this idea among autists that "advertising" is an end-all explanation for every movie's failure. I don't want to call you an autist, just bringing it up in regards to others. Thanks for responding.
This is what they get for not focusing on merit. The villain is the beautiful character, people don't want to see beauty vilified while the humans of the good side look bizarre.
Everyone in this board keeps obsessing over Gwen possibly being trans in Spider-Verse that I'm surprised that no one else has pointed out that Ruby's little brother is literally voiced by a trans actor.
No one actually cares about this movie.
Even the shippers don't actually care, they're only interested in their fanart and headcanon.
Rough day for the "Ruby Gillman's little brother" fandom.
And that matters… why exactly?
Just because a character’s VA is something doesn’t mean the character itself is also that thing
Fun fact: both Samurai Jack and Darth Vader were played by African Americans and the most famous womanizer, Barney Stinson was played by a gay dude
>I'm surprised that you don't care about a literally who happens to be trans and does a VA job in this movie.
Nobody cares. goku is voiced by a woman and you don't see anyone care.
seriously, voice acting should be color and gender blind, if you have the voice you got the voice. I hate that you have to be a certain race to play a the race, it restricts talent, if little timmy is the whitest motherfricker but has a deep voice let him do any character.
Trannies already have annoying as frick & cartoony voices and do some sort of voice training
Who cares
There are underage characters in bikinis
Even the people who looked forward to it(mostly for Chelsea porn and some for the non-canon lesbian shipping) didn't expect it to be successful. They just hope the movie is decent enough for more fanart to be generated
I just don't really care to go to the movies anymore. Unless you've got a e-girl/tot in a microbikini, I'm not going to show.
Was it even advertised?
I think they've shoved it in people's eyeballs. Trailers were playing before every vaguely kid-appropriate movie all year. It just looks forgettable enough that people actually don't remember it when they leave.
I saw exactly too ads on TV.
>shitty generic comedy kids movie flopping
>shitty Pixar parody movie flopping
>mandated disneyslop princess movie flopping
>all of these action and video game adaption movies making a profit and making a hit with audiunces
Looks like the 2020's will be the decade for everyone-aimed action movies. Thank god that the boring 2010's era of movies are fading away
I'm already looking forward to Disney and Pixar's dimishing relevance in animation now.
>Oh boy, Illumination is leading the pack! We're getting nothing but unfunny paint-by-numbers adaptations of existing media, like Illumination's Grinch (featuring a nice not-so-Grinchy Grinch)!
Hey, say whatever you want about the Super Mario Kino, but it’s leagues better then stuff like the Lorax or Grinch
This may be the most "damning with faint praise" sentence ever typed on Cinemaphile.
For what it's worth, those movies were better than 90+ minute adaptations of Seuss books had any right to be
You’re really ticking me off.
they played a really long trailer before the Little Mermaid. all you could hear was the gramma rambling on and Ruby and the mermaid yelling stock hero phrases. I was like, let it end already.
Its out? I never got a single ad for it
Not gonna lie, my autistic /tg/ brain read this thread as Robute Guilliman before I clicked into this place. This ain't Warhammer.
reminder
go back
New IPs are over
>New IPs
Don't call what you're doing a "new IP" if a glaring part of your trailers is a "Take THAT" at a classic IP.
>Mermaid with red hair and nothing else noteworthy
>OH MY GOD, LOOK AT THIS DISS AT DISNEY, BUUUURRN, THE FEUD IS GOING STRONG! HOW CAN DISNEY SLEEP AT NIGHT?!
Oh frick off already with this bullshit Dreamworks versus Disney bullshit.
Don't be obtuse. It's a "take that" at Disney.
I don't give a shit if both companies crash and burn, but it's ridiculous to act like Dreamworks has no history of taking shots at Disney.
Even IF Chelsea is a take at Ariel(and that's a BIG if) it's really literally the only thing in the entire movie that is even close to resembling the little mermaid. Unless you count the kraken being the good guy, which would be a really moronic take.
For every single thing that may resemble something from Disney Little Mermaid, there are a 100 other things that are completely different. So stop with this bullshit "this movie just exist to piss off Disney"
But Anon, Dreamworks' raison d'etre is to piss off Disney. Everything they do is just taking the piss at the mouse.
>and that's a BIG if
It's not out yet.....
>is tracking to earn
What the frick does it mean?
I don't speak Cinemaphile.
is expecting to earn that money, you illiterate
Based on what?
by early screenings and test audiences
ticket pre-sales
you know you can book theaters in advance right
why would anybody do that in times where no showing is ever full?
Jim Cramer throws his coffee grounds at the wall and looks for shapes that look like numbers.
>based on my belief to support or hate each corporations
You wouldn't now that from how much the trailers have already spoiled.
those projections gets faker and more biased by the day, wtf is happening
What is it with all these Mermaid films this year? Last year it was Pinocchio, this year it's all about mermaids.
>2 mermaid movies this year
>both flops
how did the frick it up so badly?
Have any of these projections been right?
>only behind SPIRIT UNTAMED
Literally what the hell is Spirit Untamed?
The Netflix show got a film based on it. $6M opening weekend with 3000+ screens.
I just want more Ruby x Chelsea fanart from this.
I never even watch it and I knew it awful.
>it's over
Did it ever begin?
Is anyone actually surprised about this? Nobody talked about this besides a couple of fetishists on Cinemaphile
I'm surprised it didn't go straight to streaming
the lesbian memes didn't come from Cinemaphile, you just didn't hang out with the right people
I've seen it being mentioned in several youtube videos. Some were about "They take the piss out of disney!" others were about "Here are the upcoming animated movies that peaked my interest"
thus nothing major, but it's not like it's entirely forgotten by the masses
More like the Sephardic israelites or the Black Israelites reclaiming their glory from the Human passing Ashkenazi israelites.
Speaking of Dreamworks, they revealed their new upcoming film: ‘ORION AND THE DARK’, written by Charlie Kaufman. Never expected him to be working on a kid's film for Dreamworks, but that's cool. It's releasing on netflix in 2024. Seems that next year will be more interesting for Dreamworks films than this one.
Ruby Gillman?
Giant women? That's all I needed to hear. I have an A List subscription so I'll go see it regardless.