You know for a character who went through about a dozen drastic design changes with no coherent theme and being in a film with ugly grubhubians everywhere, it's a wonder Connor (the "handsome" character) is still the ugliest one of them all
Can't right now
Gonna be busy soon
Was thinking of collaging all the designs for each character and try and make sense of a timeline once the art book comes out
Pic related is probably the oldest Connor in production (estimated circa early 2020 given he was shown with a Ruby model similar to the BFF storyboard one) and here's a link to designs in 2021
https://www.instagram.com/p/CupL2CHq8S0/?img_index=1
Why are animators suddenly pairing insanely cute characters like Ruby with ugly bastards? They did the same thing with Andrea Davenport recently.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Someone thought it was self-insert given what one of the artists looked like but no, the final Connor design was done by someone else
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's what they want you to think but I smell a conspiracy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, don't be fricking ridiculous
Why would they attempt conspiracy over something only a small pool of people freak out about for a movie most people never even saw?
Chelby is most of what this movie has to an active fanbase but it's still small and insignificant (and yet somehow still insanely autistic as a whole even outside of Chelby)
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm joking anon. Though it wouldn't surprise me if there were some conspiracy. The resemblance is just that uncanny.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Ghosts get the worse possible Red + Blue girls >Krakens don't get the best possible Red + Blue girls
Colorchads...we lost...
9 months ago
Anonymous
Post UB'd Andrea. >captcha: yntrj
9 months ago
Anonymous
Alina was apparently a successful millionaire, but Andrea's family fricked up and lost the capitalist game so she'll never marry her.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pairing insanely cute characters like Ruby with ugly bastards
Because it's a patrician fetish.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What's patrician about pairing a character with the least satisfying person possible?
9 months ago
Anonymous
IIRC hentai doujins have a girl be paired with an ugly bastard so the reader can self insert more easily
9 months ago
Anonymous
Kek, no, it's sullying something pure with its antithesis. Self-inserters pick ss.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Everything.
9 months ago
Anonymous
As you have seen in this thread someone finds old Connor's design cute so I believe it was that or a fish doing the designs.
That thread was left to die, it got like just 60 posts, and over half of those were just one person, but at least we got that one gem.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I like how a good chunk of us just simultaneously and subconciously agreed to just ignore a thread PiratePon makes
9 months ago
Anonymous
i mean, at first most people weren't that annoyed by him. But he got too spammy, and there's evidence he's been pushing artists away too (he's too invasive to RGTK artists on Twitter). So yeah PirateGrubhub is just a pain in the ass now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he's too invasive to RGTK artists on Twitter
screencap?
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lol, PiratePon getting under the skin of the ESLartist is kinda funny. Can they even understand what PiratePon is saying? Still feel bad for them having to deal with the spam. God bless this small autistic fandom.
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
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Lol, PiratePon getting under the skin of the ESLartist is kinda funny. Can they even understand what PiratePon is saying? Still feel bad for them having to deal with the spam. God bless this small autistic fandom.
Your bullies! Don’t you dare monkish against PiratePon the same for DressGuy!!!!!
9 months ago
Anonymous
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Yes, you caught me, I am PiratePon and DressGuy in each site. Now leave me be!
I never watched teenage robot and I'm too old now and no doubt will be let down by kid show writing. How much of what we want is already in mlaatr? How much should Ruby Gillman emulate it? I get the sense Gillman is more of a girly property than robot and idk how it (in a completely hypothetical way were gillman gets to exist) would use that to its advantage.
9 months ago
Anonymous
MLAATK is pretty much what I'd want out of a Ruby Gillman show. It's a formula that works well and I'm itching to have some episodic action content again to go with my slice of life. Of course Ruby should do it's own thing and not just straight up copy but I think the background setup of being kaiju rather than mecha already helps in that regard.
Can't right now
Gonna be busy soon
Was thinking of collaging all the designs for each character and try and make sense of a timeline once the art book comes out
Pic related is probably the oldest Connor in production (estimated circa early 2020 given he was shown with a Ruby model similar to the BFF storyboard one) and here's a link to designs in 2021
https://www.instagram.com/p/CupL2CHq8S0/?img_index=1
I think a rogues gallery should be priority (as well as redeeming Chelsea and retconning her identity)
You could do school stuff like introduce Oceanside High faculty but on the other hand I don't want to see the show weigh the high school stuff more over fun adventures in the ocean
Especially given the grubhubians are an eyesore
I agree but generally the skies the limit in terms of what kind of characters you can introduce. The thing about the high school is that the students could very well also be sea monsters. We've joked about Connor being a sea urchin but what's to stop a leviathan larping as a human along with Ruby and Chelsea. Characters could even go beyond the sea monsters and high schoolers. You could have a crazy military general that pilots a mecha looking for the broken remains of the trident for example.
We made a joke about a foreign exchange Irish girl student (maybe a Kelpie) with Grandmamah getting paranoid and wanting Ruby to spy on her and there was that one sequel/series concept of mermaids infiltratining the school and donning Krakenface that the grubhubians immediately buy into
You think kraken society holds competitions to see who gets to frick the royal women and when they go through training where they simulate it for practice?
Imagine the "training course" that's just one big metallic recreation that you have to ride on like a mechanical bull
Imagine the people who set out to establish records on that thing
Imagine the "training course" that's just one big metallic recreation that you have to ride on like a mechanical bull
Imagine the people who set out to establish records on that thing
>Arthur approaches Chelsea and gives her advice on how to frick a giant kraken
>Ruby: So are you Nerissa, Queen of the Mermaids, or Chelsea, My former Super Sea Girl Bestie! >Chelsea: Nerissa! Queen of the Noble Mermaids! >Ruby: Chelsea it is then >Chelsea: What!? No! >Ruby: Deal with it.
Remember how Pacifica being so popular was a surprise to the Gravity Falls staff so they used her more in Season 2 and developed her further as a character?
Chelsea feels like that all over again except right out the gate they fricked it up with one of the dumbest plot twists written
Nah he just doesn't know how to apply filters for the tank
But seriously though, lack of filters and filter maintenace is a massive frick up for first time fish owners (usually small kids)
Fish bowls were a mistake
>Korean fanart
Sorry but Elemental got the Koreans' attention. Unsurprisingly, as Elemental was made exclusively for the Korean market and that's why that movie bombed till it premiered in Korea and now it's doing great solely 'cause that region's viewers.
Better, sure. But it's boring as frick, i've got way more fun with Ruby Gillman, but in a The Room YIIK Angelic 2 The Core way.
i appreciate completely flawed yet entertaining movies over mid ass boring films.
Elemental is objectively better, yet given any chance, i would choose RGTK over it.
Gillman's also pretty bland
A lot of it depends on how much you genuinely expect out of the film with the set up (especially involving Chelsea and her "twist") but another large chunk of the masochistic appeal of RGTK is finding out about the production and what could have been nature of it
9 months ago
Anonymous
A reoccuring frustration for me with RGTK is that it took the path of least resistance when it came to its plot. They somehow had the most by the numbers plot they could have made with a premise like this. All the interesting shit is hidden away in the background. When you go beyond the film itself and let it sizzle in your head for a bit, you can see really cool ideas that they just didn't use. Grandmamahs throne room of cool sea monsters kinda makes me seethe slightly. Ruby Gillman could have been a really good or really shit but endearing film had they picked a direction to commit to more. As is, the film feels like a half baked TV pilot that Dreamworks decided to blow 70m on and shove into theaters. The other half of the Puss n Boots money must have gone to cocaine.
Technically you're right, but I don't see Elemental causing such autism crusades like RGTK does. The past Elemental threads have almost always been box office wanking because the film is boring to talk about. also I wish people talked about best movie Nimona more
I still have yet to see a scene of the movie that didn't want me to kill some foreigners. It's true that I haven't seen the full movie yet, but a LOT of individual scenes, and every scene was worst than the last one. Unironically even with all its flaw, I think Ruby Gillman is a better movie than that crap.
Elementals race message is sadly a central theme of that movie, a central theme they really didn't handle well. A central theme that could be cutout and it would make a better film ironically. You could make the worldbuilding make more sense if instead of being a race allegory that each elemental were a personality allegory. It's already half way setup as that (fire people are fiery lol, water people are cry babies) It's a film that's easier to digest if you view it as a simple romcom film rather than overthink the weird race implications.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not him
I could look past that and just understand its own rules aren't gonna be 1:1 with human beings but the problem is how its world building is inherently flawed in how it doesn't think through its world building that leaves more questions than answers
The movie isn't completely irredeemable like Lightyear or Cars 2 but it's still a downgrade compared to even recent Pixar films like Luca and Soul
>exclusively for the Korean market
That's only as many people as New York and California put together. Does everyone in Korea still like going out to the theater like in the old days?
>Does everyone in Korea still like going out to the theater like in the old days?
isn't Korea's film market like a big deal? Like Korea film market was the one that put Hollywood in jeopardy and stuff.
>Chelsea and Ruby start dating >Agatha slowly accepts it >Grandmamah is.....Grandmamah >Grandmamah and Agatha notice Chelsea's been going at night >Find out she's been trying to recover and repair the Trident of Oceanus >They stop her and tell Ruby about it >She's actually fully aware and was helping her do so >They just wanted to properly kiss in the ocean
A reoccuring frustration for me with RGTK is that it took the path of least resistance when it came to its plot. They somehow had the most by the numbers plot they could have made with a premise like this. All the interesting shit is hidden away in the background. When you go beyond the film itself and let it sizzle in your head for a bit, you can see really cool ideas that they just didn't use. Grandmamahs throne room of cool sea monsters kinda makes me seethe slightly. Ruby Gillman could have been a really good or really shit but endearing film had they picked a direction to commit to more. As is, the film feels like a half baked TV pilot that Dreamworks decided to blow 70m on and shove into theaters. The other half of the Puss n Boots money must have gone to cocaine.
>Movie about two teenage girls from different backgrounds of royal status living a normal life and becoming unlikely friends despite their appearances, cliques, and familial history while helping each other accept who they are
OR >Diet Turning Red with Elemental tier worldbuilding
Well as the post above you shows she seemingly stopped giving a shit and went full gills after defeating Nerissa. At that point making the sweater a style rather than necessary.
>how can someone NOT love this movie?
I love Ruby
I love Chelsea
I love roasting their movie more
No amount of cuteness will ever override just how poorly thought out the plot was and how much wasted potential it had
I think the cuteness does this time. As much as i hate this movie. I just cant hate this movie. As much as it failed and wasted so much potential, it gave me something ill never see anywhere else.
So, PiratePon is the closest we have to that one Sashannegay from the frog threads, huh?
You know these threads have been going for too much when we get our own lolcow.
All part of the ride. I can't really even be too mad since I can just ignore PirateKun. It's not like he was that one homosexual that chased off a drawfriend. right?
That one Black person wasn't even into RGTK, that bastard was personally tracking down that one particular drawgay for God knows what personal reasons.
I remember this being one of these reasons why Cinemaphile threads hate moving to /vg/ because general threads are magnets for intense autists who try to make a name for themselves
Hell, it's why Death Battle threads here apparently detiorated
>Agatha: You're telling me my daughter has been skipping class. Ignoring her friends and love interest. Training with my mother and working hard to get the Trident for Nerissa!? >Agatha: Ruby is just a kid and Nerissa is older than me! >Ruby: But mom we're in love!
Froggychad and others are good enough for me. Plus if this were the actual Vee they'd probably have Ruby molesting Sam or something and I'm not okay with that.
She is. Bet you could guess who Grandmamah is in this scenario.
I just found out. Roboute Guilliman. Frick. This whole time I just thought everyone on Cinemaphile had a 40k obsession and regardless of context would insert it for no reason and no throughline necessary. Forgive me for my lifetime of ignorance.
TOTAL MERMAID DEATH
Kill mermaids. Behead mermaids. Roundhouse kick a mermaid into the concrete. Slam dunk a mer baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy mer. Defecate in a mermaids food. Launch mermaids into the sun. Stir fry mermaids in a wok. Toss mermaids into active volcanoes. Urinate into a mermaids gas tank. Judo throw mermaids into a wood chipper. Twist mermaids heads off. Report mermaids to the IRS. Karate chop mer in half. Curb stomp pregnant fish people. Trap mermaids in quicksand. Crush mermaids in the trash compactor. Liquefy mermaids in a vat of acid. Eat fishgirls. Dissect mermaids. Exterminate mermaids in the gas chamber. Stomp mer skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate mermaids in the oven. Lobotomize mermaids. Mandatory abortions for mermaids. Grind mer fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown mermaids in fried chicken grease. Vaporize mermaids with a ray gun. Kick old mermaids down the stairs. Feed mermaids to alligators. Slice mermaids with a katana.
The mermaids didn't even do anything in the movie
All we know about them is what her grandma told her
and if they did the mermaids wrong it's only natural that Chelsea wanted revenge
>mermaid
Mermaid, singular
Nerissa was still open about not caring about civilian casualties and deliberately tried to kill both Ruby and her little brother but on the other hand the director confirmed she wasn't lying about the whole "forced into hiding" thing
>and deliberately tried to kill both Ruby and her little brother
you mean deliberately left her alive without a scratch at first and then only attacked her when Ruby stood between Nerissa and her revenge?
Or how she just tried to grab Rubys brother instead of just crashing him and his boat with her trident?
hold him hostage and then release him after Agatha and grandmamah are dead
I know what you're trying to suggest but she's was in no way conflicted during the ordeal
She calls Ruby a pathetic monster to her face
>She calls Ruby a pathetic monster to her face
Because she knows it would hurt Ruby and hopefully trigger Rubys panic attack, so that she can attack the older women again. But as I said, by that point Ruby started to stand between Nerissas revenge.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>hold him hostage and then release him after Agatha and grandmamah are dead
Okay, I can buy this retcon
There's two kinds of cretins in the ocean. The ones that eat, and the one on the table. And the thing about being a kraken is, you're always the bigger fish.
They didn't realize they made their twist villain too lovable before the reveal and how said twist significantly blocks out marketing options without a compromise
You can keep the final battle with Chelsea wielding the trident, it's set up the moment we even learn about it, but having Chelsea be pure evil means you have to spoil she's the villain because otherwise you're gonna market her as a likable, unlikely friend who wants nothing but peace in the ocean
The deception is more interesting and marketable then the actual "payoff"
Hell, it's outright more empowering
Would ruby gillman say poggers? Shes dorky and it sounds dorky. But shes also a socially inept loser and might be too out of touch for it? But also shes a teen zoomer and would be right in the range to be in touch for it?
There wasn't enough mind breaking from Chelsea's side
She could've befriended Ruby only to turn against her
She could tell Ruby how ugly she is and that no one will ever love her leaving the little teenage kraken all heart broken
she relied to heavily on the trident
Guilt, Shame, and remorse. She was bad and now shes good. And now they will work together not to bring power to the krakens nor to usurp the iron grip of Grandmama, but instead to bring peace between the mermaids and krakens. No more hiding. No more fighting.
The Krakens fought in self defense and to stop a tyrannical ruler from subjugating the ocean
Also, Ruby could never forgive a person who has killed her family
Grandmamah is the already established tyrannical ruler, the mermaids just wanted to get rid of the genocidal dictator. >Also, Ruby could never forgive a person who has killed her family
Someone has to start. Otherwise history will continue to repeat itself. You could have said the same about Chelsea/Nerissa "Nerissa could never forgive a person who has killed her family", what now? Continue slaughtering each other?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Continue slaughtering each other
yes
9 months ago
Anonymous
If not for a grudge for the GrubHubians.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Also Chelsea = Nerissa throws a wrench in the mermaid race war because they're all teenagers now, what even is Chelsea's family?
9 months ago
Anonymous
they're adults who LOOK like teenagers. Can you guys please stop this stupid meme?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao the writers intended to write Chelsea as a mean girl not some fricking teenager looking adult
There should have been more scenes about coping with the shame if being a monster. She should have been bullied or made fun of somewhere in the school. She should be touchy and insecure about having a monster form for longer. Anything to set up conflicts and drama for her to interact with.
>She should have been bullied or made fun of somewhere in the school
Problem is that the grubhubians not knowing she's a kraken is a major plot point
It extends to the whole family as well
Okay true
Everyone hates Canadians already
I guess you just run into the problem if most people treat her like shit the setting becomes too unsympathetic to want to see saved
>You are a freak Ruby Gillman >No - >Yes you are a monster and a threat to everyone around you >N-no it's not true Chelsea you are lying >A freak no one could love I am the only one who understands you
>It's a Ruby and Chelsea are captured by ghost pirates and chained together episode >Cue fight scene where Ruby finally reaches the salt water and grows while Chelsea is dangling on for her life
I know we were already fed in this front and starving in so many others, but it would be fun to have more octodad moments where the blue sticky fish girl is made obvious but she passes by on the stupidest excuses and she does more upfront undeniably weird things that get ignored.
Whether for real or in a fanfic, I would have loved to see Chelsea's reaction to the statue (are they statues or stuffed corpses?) of the "evil mermaids", with her being deeply hurt and offended by what she sees (whether they were her friends or she just hates how mermaids have be vilified). When asked about it by Ruby, though, she'd try to play it off as a joke, saying, "Ugh... TOTALLY inaccurate! 0 stars out of 5. Would not recommend," in a sort of lighthearted, narcistic sort of way.
They were clearly statues, because they don't look anything like regular mermaids, and only barely look anything like a trident powered mermaid(which there was always only one at a time) with some racist caricature stylized faces on top of that.
Color theory and chemistry
They have clashing designs and fit in separate archetypes but their friendship is convincing because it just highlights the similarities they do have and why these two drastically different people would value each other's company....and then the last 15 minutes ruined everything
>some gross dudes whose faces seem to be melting, led by a mysterious Irishman, start selling epipens full of "sea slug slime" across town >superpowers follow >as does addiction and insanity >chaos reigns
Now would you kindly try a sample? First one's always free~...
Anon, Sonic's Fandom keeps going because it keeps getting new shit
Sonic is never without something new
Even during mainline game droughts there are still spin-off titles, cartoons, movies, comics, etc
Looking at the original storyboard, how the frick am I supposed to root against Chelsea?
Mother gets killed, tries to get revenge , gets humiliated , gets called a loser and bullied around, and in the end gets trapped in a bubble
>Mother gets killed, tries to get revenge ,
We don't know if that was still her revenge motivation came before or after that specific outline of the third act since she never confronts Agatha about the murder of her mother
That said, it wasn't a storyboard but rather an outline and there was plenty of room left for potential dialogue to highlight this but we can't know for certain
Again, the weirdest thing is that she leaves Ruby dazed
She doesn't directly harm her or seals her in rocks, she just leaves her recovering from helping get the trident
The movie assuming people are supposed to like Grandmamah is even weirder
From the get-go you're already not gonna like her because she treats Ruby as her heir to the throne first and actual family member second
You get suspicious because of her hostility, prejudices, how Agatha fled from her for a reason, how Brill calls her a warlord, how Agatha outright calls her out for only fighting for glory (which puts a damper on any benign intentions the audience is supposed to buy into), etc but there's zero payoff
This movie feels like the character herself took the script and changed the ending to make her look good and validate her beliefs
I know people like to say she isn't genocidal because the mermaids went into hiding but that's like saying the Skeksis aren't genocidal because some Gelfling actually survived
Speaking of Bliss...considering their town seems to be a peninsula where is the graveyard? It couldn't be in town because all of it is at the sea front, we actually don't see beaches in the movie so it might be prone to flooding and that will cause the earth to be too soft to bury people unless they want coffins and corpses just showing up when it rains. They might have a tower of death as their graveyard, but that'd be pretty grim.
>Artist actually made them attractive.
That seems to be a common thing with the grubhubians. Not sure what it is that makes them so fricking ugly in the film. Not that fanart makes them a 10/10 but I can tolerate their designs easier. It's all the weirder since The Gillmans & Chelsea are perfectly fine in both 2D fanart and the 3D film.
oh this, all of this. A good factor for appreciating Chelsea is if she keeps a mean streak on her personality.
The BFF storyboard felt like it could've set up to that even if it was entirely possible and even likely that wouldn't have been the case
The friendship feels genuine and you know either girl would have each other's back through thick and thin but Chelsea's still a rotten kid
It's why people compared to Anne and Sasha's dynamic a lot
Even in the final film where pre-twist Chelsea couldnt' be openly evil she still had a hint of delinquency with the ditch day
Frenemy works as the best compromise but it has to be the kind of frenemy that starts off hostile before gradualling developing more into the friend side of things even if this is the scenario where they have to share a roof together
Just realized a better comparison than a HTTYD comparison: this movie is like if The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas turned into Nazi propaganda in the eleventh hour.
The big problem is that
A. Ruby Gillman wasn't set up as an unlikely friends story from the start, it just came to be in the second act and became unintentionally more interesting than the final film we got
B. The trident's a blatant chekvov's gun (of course this could've been mitigated if Chelsea was still sympathetic and/or manipulated and ultimately redeemed)
anytime I think of a chekovs gun, it's established early and sits in the background until it's inevitably used. That you can't establish a gun without eventually using it. But since they're always openly and actively striving for the Trident and it never fades into he background, I don't instinctively recognize it as a Chekovs gun. I could definitely be wrong on this though, I'm not an expert on it.
The trident is established as a deadly weapon
The audience is gonna want to know what exactly can the trident do (and judging by the film, not much)
It's clearly set up for a big fight
Massive autist in the draw threads
Will resort to spam begging and he's so loathed a newbie's mistake is to actually deliver him something because it'll just encourage him even more
He's been at this for over a decade and for a while people made art of Jenny being a black woman because it'd drive him away
I just watched this yesterday. I expected the ending to underwhelm me, but overall I think the film was consistently good (not great, just good) throughout. It also had pretty good pacing never lingering too long anywhere.
I never thought I was be into a MILF giant kraken... oh lordy. Ruby is so cute though, she takes the whole bakery. Want to cuddle her.
Question: Did they EVER explain how her clothes worked when she came back from being a huge kraken?
That's interesting, because pacing was my only criticism of the movie. I just feel like they tried to cram too many things and didnt' give enough time to any single idea they were trying.
>Did they EVER explain how her clothes worked when she came back from being a huge kraken?
No. I think the writers just handwaved it as a cartoon logic thing. Interesingly enough, clothes ripping apart was a thing in the storyboards but they just kinda appear out of nowhere in the final film. Clothes in general are an inconsistent detail. Brill comes out of the ocean naked and it isn't really brought to attention. I don't think the Gillmans are very modest. They'd probably all be naked were they not trying to blend in with humans.
> don't think the Gillmans are very modest. They'd probably all be naked were they not trying to blend in with humans.
That's... quiet an image. They might like clothes though. Ruby is pretty expressive with her colors and choices despite needing to cover up. Agatha clearly uses her professional clothing to covey a successful businesses woman appearance.
>also had pretty good pacing never lingering too long anywhere
The problem was that it introduced too many things and dropped too many things for me personally
That's interesting, because pacing was my only criticism of the movie. I just feel like they tried to cram too many things and didnt' give enough time to any single idea they were trying.
> I just feel like they tried to cram too many things and didnt' give enough time to any single idea they were trying.
I can see that. For me, I was really glad of the pacing moving along when they got to cringey moments. I hate the over-use of humiliation of protagonist characters and unnecessary dramatic emotional conflicts. It had these but were sparingly used and quickly moved passed.
I do agree the movie introduced A LOT and unfortunately did not capitalize on them. They could have built a whole world, but they really seemed to want to keep things just down to 90 minutes.
I felt that way about the mario movie, where the trailers had me scared they'd linger and draw on some cringe moments. But even some of the jokes that were in the trailers were shortened. That movie did not waste your time.
Same reason that sonic has never had a good game but can never be let go by the fans. You're looking at the next sonic fandom. No good official content, only a dream and glimpse at the divine potential. A concept that inspires the imagination and promises more in the spirit than the body of any mortal can answer for.
Anon, Sonic's Fandom keeps going because it keeps getting new shit
Sonic is never without something new
Even during mainline game droughts there are still spin-off titles, cartoons, movies, comics, etc
> a mediocre/bad animated film
I would definitely not call it bad, yet I hate to agree about this being possibly mediocre. Bad is an overall taste, and there are films with greater animation budgets that felt much much worse by the end.
For example, the ending of Encanto and Turning Red are both underwhelming and disappointing.
With this film at least I felt like they delivered an reasonable ending for what your expectations were.
>With this film at least I felt like they delivered an reasonable ending for what your expectations were
I just wasn't fond of the film seemingly subverting the trailer to make it seem more interesting than it actually was only to double subvert back again within the last 15 minutes of the movie
Tentacles go into Chelseas pussy and ass while she eats out Ruby. 69 position could work but it might be easier with a squatting shot of Chelsea. Ruby has the benefit of being stretchy so you can do some wild positions. Ultimately it's your call drawgay.
You want hard core? Alright then, try this one out for size: Ruby and Chelsea 69'ing with Ruby fisting Chelsea with a noticeable bulge on her lower tummy. You can make it futa if you want (She does have a third leg after all) with Ruby depositing eggs directly into Chelsea womb
When I went to see it here in Spain it was the third week and there were two full rows which is a lot more than I expected. What I can't understand is why everyone sat at the very butt end of the theatre, I simply had to sit in the front row because this is a movie about giant monsters and god damn I wanna see em as BIG as possible
Mate, if anything the grubhubians probably drew people off more when the trailer dropped
A friend of mine immediately assumed the movie would be bad because the trailer made it seem like annoying cliche trite with the ugliest humans he's seen in a modern animated film
Reminder that the movie said this is a lie and is impossible and the only solution to find the closest thing to peace would be either be to exterminate one of the races or force them into hiding
>Agatha wanted Ruby to live a life free of conflict and danger (nothing to do with sympathy for finbacks though, frick them) >Ruby still fights sea monsters that just suddenly pop up around Oceanside now >Will outlive everyone she knows at school ala a Viltrumite if Brill's comment about how long Krakens can live for is taken seriously so she's probably gonna take the throne anyways
Did....did Agatha lose?
Not sure if this was posted here but here's concept art from last month
Brill and Gordon are confirmed that have been part of the conceptual stage
No Chelsea oddly enough
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaG4LmPOak/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaHwkzvg6X/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaGXOUvZNz/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuLfbK7Lwiq/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuXps49PSjx/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuXqRrYymQ2/?img_index=2
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuXqvd-yIZq/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuLUwiVROS3/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtUw_rFSU0J/?hl=en
What a chad Gordon design. I kinda wish they kept his design closer to this, but then again it might have not translated to 3D well. Also I find it impressive how much they nailed it with Rubys final design as these alpha Rubys are also slightly ugly.
I'm still on the page that the earliest Ruby model (and appears to have been used for the BFF storyboard) is still cute and could easily be her own character
Can't right now
Gonna be busy soon
Was thinking of collaging all the designs for each character and try and make sense of a timeline once the art book comes out
Pic related is probably the oldest Connor in production (estimated circa early 2020 given he was shown with a Ruby model similar to the BFF storyboard one) and here's a link to designs in 2021
https://www.instagram.com/p/CupL2CHq8S0/?img_index=1
>are also slightly ugly.
I think that's the point
She's supposed to be ugly cute like a deep sea creature
Arthur's design in the bottom seemed to have made to early models. I think they're all blue on land in the final film to emphasize them being related as a family
Also seeing how genuinely good Gordon's early designs are confirms my belief that in a town of grubhubians, he's the only true human being
What a chad Gordon design. I kinda wish they kept his design closer to this, but then again it might have not translated to 3D well. Also I find it impressive how much they nailed it with Rubys final design as these alpha Rubys are also slightly ugly.
So I guess the theory that Megalon was supposed to be proto-Brill is dead now
Oh yeah, is anyone saving all this Instagram concept art in case the art book will be missing some?
That could still be the case but Megalon could also have just been his own character from the get go that got the axe. Wouldn't make much sense to have a two comic relief characters in an already crowded cast.
Also another odd thing I noticed was this description under Agatha's concept art >https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaGXOUvZNz/?img_index=1 >in the early days of RGTK the kraken were kaiju, and heavily influenced by their amazing vinyl toys
So when exactly did they do the kaiju thing? The BFF ditch day storyboard didn't show Ruby as a kaiju at all. Was the kaiju stuff always the plan from day 1, even when it was still called Meet the Gillmans?
>Was the kaiju stuff always the plan from day 1, even when it was still called Meet the Gillmans?
Earliest conceptual art I can find (back when the movie was in its pitch phases) shows Ruby as a giant kraken
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/39eJOJ
This also gets reflected in other early conceptual art
seeing all these concept arts of these characters made me sad about current animation production. They pretty much just tell the character designers to come up with a dozen different designs and then see what sticks.
>Anon, that's the fricking norm >Always has been
There's a difference between having a clear image in mind and then fixing it based on feedback, and just making a dozen different designs and hope one of them makes the producers say "This one"
Ruby growing was gonna happen since day one
They probably just changed the mechanics of how it works to communicate it better and emphasize why Agatha would want her away from saltwater
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuHlUS4Rg1F/?img_index=1
>Visual development for Ruby Gillman Teen-age Kraken. These were pretty early (C. 2017)
Huh, I guess the kaiju stuff for Ruby Gillmam was here day 1. So where the hell did "my life as a kaiju" come from then. Was that just pure speculation that I made up?
>So where the hell did "my life as a kaiju" come from then
Entirely separate movie
The movies being merged together has no basis
DreamWorks cancels A LOT of films
Ruby growing was gonna happen since day one
They probably just changed the mechanics of how it works to communicate it better and emphasize why Agatha would want her away from saltwater
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuHlUS4Rg1F/?img_index=1
That one leaked storyboard with Brill showed him to be a lot more laid back and "cool"
Maybe they scrapped Megalon and threw in personality elements from him onto Brill?
>An artwork for @teenagekrakenmovie from way back in 2019 when the project was called “Meet the Gillmans”. Early in the conceptual stage we explored character moments of a teenage girl who occasionally transformed into a giant kraken sea monster. As a visual development artist that stumbled into character design slowly over the years, I’ve found that conceptualizing a design is easiest for me to first approach in small illustrations.
seeing all these concept arts of these characters made me sad about current animation production. They pretty much just tell the character designers to come up with a dozen different designs and then see what sticks.
>They pretty much just tell the character designers to come up with a dozen different designs and then see what sticks.
I mean, isn't that their job? To flesh out the design of the character. I guess I could see getting butthurt that a crew would pick one artists design over yours but I get the feeling it's generally a more collabrative effort where everyone throws bits and pieces of their designs into what will be the final one. Plus as a character designer you're likely spitting out multiple versions of a character yourself.
This
The Zootopia documentary openly states that storyboarders and other artists create thousands of drawings that get thrown into the trash and part of the job is accepting
They don't get too attached as a result, what's good still makes for a good portfolio
a spooky horror antagonist would have actually saved this movie. Kids theses days are obsessed with kid friendly horror, and they've always been intrigued by the things that scare them. That's why old "family friendly" movies always have surprisingly scary shit in them.
A podcast review posted back said the problem with having mermaids be the villain and having her look like Ariel (albeit its mostly hair color) is that it distracts the viewer from what the film is trying to really say
Most people love mermaids by default so when they see this movie it's gonna be hard for them to be convinced that mermaids are the real villains (when you don't go full sea demon with them) and how people are just gonna be more focused on comparing Ariel and Chelsea's differences over whatever Ruby's going through
I'm not sure I entirely agree. You can have good looking villains as part of the message to not judge a book by it's cover. A classic example being Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. You can also flip it by having a odd looking weirdo be your lead (though admittedly that's a harder sell). The issue with Chelsea is that we as an audience weren't given enough hints of her true intentions as Nerissa. (in the film, marketing is another ballpark) With other twist villains you're at least given bits and pieces here and there to make that transistion to bad guy seemless. But if anything Chelsea gave off hard misdirections with her Hans smiles. The twist sucks because it was a complete rugpull. As such I'm not sure if having an ugly design would have helped much as the flaw is more of a storytelling one. If Chelsea were an Umibozu girl the twist would still be unsatisfying.
They just said on principle, even upfront as a villain she'd be distracting and hard to sell (especially selling mermaids entirely as a race as evil) but I get what you mean
They fricking HATED the twist and spent most of the podcast roasting it for all the messed up moral implications that Ruby should've just stayed in her lane and her actively seeking compassion and peace was a mistake
I guess I went on a slight tirade on the film itself again. Let me try and pull back. I can get what they're saying in that having a mermaid be your villain would be distracting but It could also be your selling point. I guess in that sense having Chelsea be a mermaid, a creature that most audiences these days view as good be your lead villain, is something of a double-edge sword. If the villain were another uglier sea monster then I think you'd head in the opposite direction of being unremarkable rather than controversial. By having Chelsea be an icon dragged through the mud, it could at least get people talking. Subversion can work well if executed right, that's why there was the trend of evil Superman via Omniman and Homelander for a bit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly part of me just thinks its coincidence
Invincible and The Boys are separate comics made in the 2000's that just coincidentally got adapted in today's age (Brightburn is pushing it and Injustice was the worst implementation)
They have premises and marketing value beyond simply making the Superman archetype the villain
9 months ago
Anonymous
It is somewhat coincidence. Omniman isn't really even a villian in the grand scope of Invincible But there is something to be said about how much it got people talking about both The Boys and Invincible because of evil Supes. I can guarantee that people saw clips of both characters doing bad things and decides to check out the shows from those clips. Chelsea could have worked in a similar manner, but she didn't and it's not hard to see why.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Chelsea could have worked in a similar manner, but she didn't and it's not hard to see why.
I mean her coming across as evil Ariel did make the movie have internet hype........for like three weeks at a rapidly diminishing rate
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not even sure if that was fully because of Chelsea. Probably just residual copium from Puss n Boot 2 and the totally going to happen Dreamworks Renaissance. I know I didn't even find out about the film until it was basically in theaters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
People were using her to shit talk the upcoming Little Mermaid remake while saying this is DreamWorks' biggest middle finger toward Disney since Shrek
9 months ago
Anonymous
Its so weird that the pro racism movie was being used as pro racism propaganda but in the opposite direction for mermaids that the movie took
Can we take a second to appreciate the layers of goofy that is?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine if Chelsea was black but the whole plot stayed the same
9 months ago
Anonymous
If she was black, it might have given the writers enough self awareness to change the ending. So it might be better.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just like with these feminist movies where men are being written as horrible monsters and we were suppose to agree with the girlboss protagonist and people suggest to rewrite the movie with the genders reversed, I kinda want to see Ruby Gillman now with actual people and Chelsea being Black or blatantly israeli and the Krakens being white.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was thinking of taking the script of the movie and replacing every mention of the word mermaid with israelite just to see how it'd look
All the script I could find had licensrd music lyrics and I didn't want to spend time getting rid of each one out of laziness
That said >Before you freak out, she is a israelite but you're gonna love her >Inside. Now. >Ruby, you have to listen to me. You don't understand the danger you're in. We left the ocean because of a israelite >Don't worry she's not like her mom >Her mom? >The israelite queen >She's the israelite queen's daughter!? >Yeah but she's my friend >She is not your friend, she is dangerous!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ, Raimi.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's also a layer of irony that Chelsea being pure evil was what caught people's attention initially and was a major selling point only for it to backfire horribly in the grand scheme of things and leave the film in a lose-lose position with its marketing that helped caused the film to bomb
9 months ago
Anonymous
The movie isn't deliberately pro-racism
Hell, it could have had evil mermaids and still not be memed about being pro-racism
It's the movie actually going out of its way to seemingly subvert and question ALL mermaids being evil only to validate the most xenophobic and bloodthirsty character in the film AND the movie being hypocritical on "not judging others based on appearence" when the final act could have been avoided if Ruby judged Chelsea for being a mermaid despite saving her life that earned its reputation here
9 months ago
Anonymous
Its only pro racist in a strict litteral reading of the movie, which is unfair way of judging most movies. If you dont entertain any metaphors, then usually most of the themes get lost. I kind of read a bit of racial sympathy from the movie with them foreigners from their homeland facing social alienation.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The gillmans are not white. Theyre canadian
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I kind of read a bit of racial sympathy from the movie with them foreigners from their homeland facing social alienation.
I mean, Coneheads was a confirmed inspiration back in its Meet the Gillmans days
9 months ago
Anonymous
I still dont know what the frick that is and the pictures look scary so i wont watch it. Genius be damned, i can skip an ugly movie every now and then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the actual movie isn't that bad, but I admit the teeth scene haunted me as a kid. But I don't remember anything else about the movie
9 months ago
Anonymous
Thing is, if the Gillmans could be seen as analogous to human immigrants and that extends to the Kraken race as a whole of being misunderstood foreigners, what does that make mermaids as an inherently evil race?
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is the board that memed up Star Vs being pro-genocide the second that finale dropped
9 months ago
Anonymous
I thought star vs was pro femcuck propaganda?
(The only thing i know about cartoons is from the porn i consume)
I think I'll ask again, why there's no giantess fetish community for this episode. No one has posted the screenshot of her face smooshed against the glass when she grew too big for the building. Why?
I get the point but Ruby Gillman doesn't have a future
The Mouse has been getting doomposted for years now and frankly I don't even care what happens, I'm not gonna risk making myself look like an idiot for making judgements I'm not smart enough to call
>Filename
Okay, it's clean
LETS GO!
With the sunglasses Ruby looks like a mascot
And Chelsea is looking ok, in her red hair beauty.
What if it's not?
You know for a character who went through about a dozen drastic design changes with no coherent theme and being in a film with ugly grubhubians everywhere, it's a wonder Connor (the "handsome" character) is still the ugliest one of them all
>a dozen drastic design changes with no coherent theme
Can you post them in one image?
Can't right now
Gonna be busy soon
Was thinking of collaging all the designs for each character and try and make sense of a timeline once the art book comes out
Pic related is probably the oldest Connor in production (estimated circa early 2020 given he was shown with a Ruby model similar to the BFF storyboard one) and here's a link to designs in 2021
https://www.instagram.com/p/CupL2CHq8S0/?img_index=1
Holy shit! He actually looks like cute twink here!
Nah. he looks like a homeless hipster on meth.
Penis nose makes him look ugly
Not sure if he had a personality at that point
Did he ever have one?
Why are animators suddenly pairing insanely cute characters like Ruby with ugly bastards? They did the same thing with Andrea Davenport recently.
Someone thought it was self-insert given what one of the artists looked like but no, the final Connor design was done by someone else
That's what they want you to think but I smell a conspiracy.
Anon, don't be fricking ridiculous
Why would they attempt conspiracy over something only a small pool of people freak out about for a movie most people never even saw?
Chelby is most of what this movie has to an active fanbase but it's still small and insignificant (and yet somehow still insanely autistic as a whole even outside of Chelby)
I'm joking anon. Though it wouldn't surprise me if there were some conspiracy. The resemblance is just that uncanny.
>Ghosts get the worse possible Red + Blue girls
>Krakens don't get the best possible Red + Blue girls
Colorchads...we lost...
Post UB'd Andrea.
>captcha: yntrj
Alina was apparently a successful millionaire, but Andrea's family fricked up and lost the capitalist game so she'll never marry her.
>pairing insanely cute characters like Ruby with ugly bastards
Because it's a patrician fetish.
What's patrician about pairing a character with the least satisfying person possible?
IIRC hentai doujins have a girl be paired with an ugly bastard so the reader can self insert more easily
Kek, no, it's sullying something pure with its antithesis. Self-inserters pick ss.
Everything.
As you have seen in this thread someone finds old Connor's design cute so I believe it was that or a fish doing the designs.
Japan is winning.
>cute
wew lad
>cute
Get your eyes checked, the final version is leagues better which is not saying much, but still.
both are really really bad, but the final version is FAR worse, especially with those dead eyes that can see into your soul
never forget
That thread was left to die, it got like just 60 posts, and over half of those were just one person, but at least we got that one gem.
I like how a good chunk of us just simultaneously and subconciously agreed to just ignore a thread PiratePon makes
i mean, at first most people weren't that annoyed by him. But he got too spammy, and there's evidence he's been pushing artists away too (he's too invasive to RGTK artists on Twitter). So yeah PirateGrubhub is just a pain in the ass now.
>he's too invasive to RGTK artists on Twitter
screencap?
Lol, PiratePon getting under the skin of the ESLartist is kinda funny. Can they even understand what PiratePon is saying? Still feel bad for them having to deal with the spam. God bless this small autistic fandom.
Your bullies! Don’t you dare monkish against PiratePon the same for DressGuy!!!!!
I never watched teenage robot and I'm too old now and no doubt will be let down by kid show writing. How much of what we want is already in mlaatr? How much should Ruby Gillman emulate it? I get the sense Gillman is more of a girly property than robot and idk how it (in a completely hypothetical way were gillman gets to exist) would use that to its advantage.
MLAATK is pretty much what I'd want out of a Ruby Gillman show. It's a formula that works well and I'm itching to have some episodic action content again to go with my slice of life. Of course Ruby should do it's own thing and not just straight up copy but I think the background setup of being kaiju rather than mecha already helps in that regard.
He’s looks so nerdy but cute.
>Filename
Should a tv show introduce more Kraken side characters?
Definitely. A TV show should introduce as many fun characters as is reasonable. The movie cast was already cramp being stuck inside 1h 20m.
I think a rogues gallery should be priority (as well as redeeming Chelsea and retconning her identity)
You could do school stuff like introduce Oceanside High faculty but on the other hand I don't want to see the show weigh the high school stuff more over fun adventures in the ocean
Especially given the grubhubians are an eyesore
Especially if Chelsea is dating Rando.
I agree but generally the skies the limit in terms of what kind of characters you can introduce. The thing about the high school is that the students could very well also be sea monsters. We've joked about Connor being a sea urchin but what's to stop a leviathan larping as a human along with Ruby and Chelsea. Characters could even go beyond the sea monsters and high schoolers. You could have a crazy military general that pilots a mecha looking for the broken remains of the trident for example.
We made a joke about a foreign exchange Irish girl student (maybe a Kelpie) with Grandmamah getting paranoid and wanting Ruby to spy on her and there was that one sequel/series concept of mermaids infiltratining the school and donning Krakenface that the grubhubians immediately buy into
>The crazy homeless guy near the school is actually a hermit crab person and the "cardboard box" is actually his home/shell
Meet the Gillmans series episode idea, continuing from
:
>a Plot begins:
>a research college becomes very interested in getting blood samples from the Gillmans
>very, very, very interested
What's Ruby's blood type?
Schools do blood donations
Whatever blood Cephalopods have.
Greek gods are what's canon in RGTK. Yahweh lost to the chad Zeus.
>Greek gods
Umibozu are a thing
Could just be an assortment of general mythologies like in Hellboy
That seems to be the case. What a clusterfrick of a mythology if that's the case. Also Hellboy crossover when?
>What's Ruby's blood type?
Old.
Maybe mystical sea creatures find GrubHub guys the sexiest and most attractive for some alien reason. Ariel was a weirdo.
You calling Eric ugly Anon?
By mystical sea creature standards, yes.
How did Arthur impregnate Agatha? Do krakens lay eggs or did homeboy have to go spelunking to make Ruby?
They probably did it on land, at least for Sam
>They probably did it on land
Poor Arthur. You have a literal giantess and yet miss out on it daily.
Ruby's still old enough to have done it possibly in the water
Yeah, but in the finale version of the film, she was pure beauty
Just some snapshots from twitter
You think kraken society holds competitions to see who gets to frick the royal women and when they go through training where they simulate it for practice?
>Arthur had to take courses on how to frick Agatha when the two got together and it became public
Imagine
Imagine the "training course" that's just one big metallic recreation that you have to ride on like a mechanical bull
Imagine the people who set out to establish records on that thing
>Arthur approaches Chelsea and gives her advice on how to frick a giant kraken
Remember people
HIDE PIRATEPON POSTS
IGNORE PIRATEPON POSTS
DON'T RESPOND TO PIRATEPON
Never, never never, leave it alone, as it will be.
Basado
She's so cool.
Wish we can do some drawgays on Chelsea, with something loose in it.
If you dated Ruby would it be bestiality?
Nah, Krakens are capable of equal human intelligence. I'd be worried about it being statutory rape though.
She's considered an adult in the kraken kingdom
#FreeHer
I think they'll make Chelsea work for Gordon in the sequel/cartoon. She'll be giving the tours.
Industry Anon said she's good as dead
Industry anon can eat my cum. If they didn't want her around they would've trapped her in Gargantua like in the story boards.
We'll see how legit he was when the Megamind show comes out. I don't doubt what he says but it's good to have a healthy sense of skepticism.
At best we're gonna get "Nerissa" but Chelsea is never ever
>Ruby: So are you Nerissa, Queen of the Mermaids, or Chelsea, My former Super Sea Girl Bestie!
>Chelsea: Nerissa! Queen of the Noble Mermaids!
>Ruby: Chelsea it is then
>Chelsea: What!? No!
>Ruby: Deal with it.
Remember how Pacifica being so popular was a surprise to the Gravity Falls staff so they used her more in Season 2 and developed her further as a character?
Chelsea feels like that all over again except right out the gate they fricked it up with one of the dumbest plot twists written
>See that spot, I almost destroyed it
>On the left you can see someone I almost killed
Did Gordon get bored with his cumdump?
He just jerks off into the water so she HAS to swallow some of it
I guess that would explain the green hue.
Nah he just doesn't know how to apply filters for the tank
But seriously though, lack of filters and filter maintenace is a massive frick up for first time fish owners (usually small kids)
Fish bowls were a mistake
Would it be inhumane to keep her locked up?
Finbacks don't have rights so her tank doesn't need to follow prison standards
No violent act against a Deepwater israelite is wrong.
I am trying to find the image,but can't find it
Where did you find the image?
What does the sign say?
How did you cope today?
Read a fanfic where Chelsea is interrogated and reveals she's actually a year younger than Ruby
The old saying.
So let's just pretend it made money, what would be the sequel/spin off/TV show.
The adventures of ruby and Chelsea: the show, since in the made up movie in my head Chelsea was never actually the villian
Slice of life that balances between Chelby school life and Royal Sea stuff.
We need more more hot milf Chelsea fanart.
God made Krakens so Mermaids could bully them. It's in the Bible
That says "The Bibble".
You question the word of the mighty CHELSEA?
The mighty Chelsea is in a cage getting sailor wiener
"Chelsea" didn't even exist
Even for them, they still need to be enemies.
Why did they show Chelsea being concerned for Ruby even when Ruby wasn't looking? Wasn't she supposed to be lying?
It's a twist, like Claudette saying she definitely has breast cancer in The Room then nothing ever coming of that line.
She was lying
Lying to the audience
The directors were lying to the audience. This is why this plotpoint keeps pissing viewers off.
Honestly this part might have been more egregious
And a sensual trickers.
>"My dream girl is blue noodely and wet"
Any good high quality Korean fanart yet?
Korean N'wahs probably got hungry watching the film. They're nearly at China's level in terms of eating anything that moves.
>Korean fanart
Sorry but Elemental got the Koreans' attention. Unsurprisingly, as Elemental was made exclusively for the Korean market and that's why that movie bombed till it premiered in Korea and now it's doing great solely 'cause that region's viewers.
>elemenshart got the koreans attention
Shame. They make the highest quality western cartoon fanart.
True, but I can't complain too hard with LatAms output. At least we got some good fanart
I mean...Elemental is still the better movie lets be fair
It better fricking be for Pixar's history and a 3.5x bigger budget.
Better, sure. But it's boring as frick, i've got way more fun with Ruby Gillman, but in a The Room YIIK Angelic 2 The Core way.
i appreciate completely flawed yet entertaining movies over mid ass boring films.
Elemental is objectively better, yet given any chance, i would choose RGTK over it.
Gillman's also pretty bland
A lot of it depends on how much you genuinely expect out of the film with the set up (especially involving Chelsea and her "twist") but another large chunk of the masochistic appeal of RGTK is finding out about the production and what could have been nature of it
A reoccuring frustration for me with RGTK is that it took the path of least resistance when it came to its plot. They somehow had the most by the numbers plot they could have made with a premise like this. All the interesting shit is hidden away in the background. When you go beyond the film itself and let it sizzle in your head for a bit, you can see really cool ideas that they just didn't use. Grandmamahs throne room of cool sea monsters kinda makes me seethe slightly. Ruby Gillman could have been a really good or really shit but endearing film had they picked a direction to commit to more. As is, the film feels like a half baked TV pilot that Dreamworks decided to blow 70m on and shove into theaters. The other half of the Puss n Boots money must have gone to cocaine.
Technically you're right, but I don't see Elemental causing such autism crusades like RGTK does. The past Elemental threads have almost always been box office wanking because the film is boring to talk about. also I wish people talked about best movie Nimona more
I still have yet to see a scene of the movie that didn't want me to kill some foreigners. It's true that I haven't seen the full movie yet, but a LOT of individual scenes, and every scene was worst than the last one. Unironically even with all its flaw, I think Ruby Gillman is a better movie than that crap.
I thought the joke about the grandmother's dying words telling her granddaughter not to racemix was funny
Elementals race message is sadly a central theme of that movie, a central theme they really didn't handle well. A central theme that could be cutout and it would make a better film ironically. You could make the worldbuilding make more sense if instead of being a race allegory that each elemental were a personality allegory. It's already half way setup as that (fire people are fiery lol, water people are cry babies) It's a film that's easier to digest if you view it as a simple romcom film rather than overthink the weird race implications.
Not him
I could look past that and just understand its own rules aren't gonna be 1:1 with human beings but the problem is how its world building is inherently flawed in how it doesn't think through its world building that leaves more questions than answers
The movie isn't completely irredeemable like Lightyear or Cars 2 but it's still a downgrade compared to even recent Pixar films like Luca and Soul
Oh hy Mariods86, I hope you enjoyed Across the Spiderverse too
I have no idea who that is, but Spiderverse was shit too(even though I liked the first one, a lot)
>exclusively for the Korean market
That's only as many people as New York and California put together. Does everyone in Korea still like going out to the theater like in the old days?
>Does everyone in Korea still like going out to the theater like in the old days?
isn't Korea's film market like a big deal? Like Korea film market was the one that put Hollywood in jeopardy and stuff.
Korea contributed $50 million of Elemental's $300m international/$450m overall. Disproportionately impactful but hardly a kingmaker.
It's not "high quality" but I really dig this comic
https://twitter.com/vitali_achiever/status/1689620030735159297
>Personally, it was a little more disappointing story than I thought ,, I had a good look at it cutely. I liked the combination of the two........
https://twitter.com/chaab_ele/status/1682737743414304768
Cute, kinda like a love story.
Unlikely friendships and defying the elderly's dumb racial conflicts is more enticing than Turning Red but done poorly
If Ruby would kiss her back her fat tongue would twirl Chelsea's insides around
>Chelsea and Ruby start dating
>Agatha slowly accepts it
>Grandmamah is.....Grandmamah
>Grandmamah and Agatha notice Chelsea's been going at night
>Find out she's been trying to recover and repair the Trident of Oceanus
>They stop her and tell Ruby about it
>She's actually fully aware and was helping her do so
>They just wanted to properly kiss in the ocean
You posted the version with the typo
Granted the fixed version also has a typo
It's "Der Zee" not "Ver Zee"
Anon that wasn't what I meant
Sure that everybody wants to have sex with Chelsea.
One day she'll find the fattest ugliest GrubHub guy and spawn a massive brood of little mermaids with him.
Even Chelsea will spread a sperm sex to a human boy.
Imagine being the hottest girl in school and you fall in love with the weird autistic noodle
The noodle is cute.
Honestly, that's a very cute way of saying it. Love can bloom in the battle field and between the strangest of couples.
also true
This is a blue board Anon
>Movie about two teenage girls from different backgrounds of royal status living a normal life and becoming unlikely friends despite their appearances, cliques, and familial history while helping each other accept who they are
OR
>Diet Turning Red with Elemental tier worldbuilding
someone should redraw picrel with Chelsea and Ruby as Sasha and Anne respectively.
Come to impress Chelsea again?
Now let it stay, because Rando loves it.
Just one drawing for Chelsea and Kevin Rando doing a dance pose.
>And this is not PiratePon that is doing this.
Grub what you love.
Remember people
Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Unless it's a twitter autist
Look AT THIS. LOOK AT IT!
Calamari. Yum!
Would she still wear a turtleneck after people know she's a kraken?
She does at the very end, but the budget might've not given them enough money for a new outfit.
Or a new prom dress.
Well as the post above you shows she seemingly stopped giving a shit and went full gills after defeating Nerissa. At that point making the sweater a style rather than necessary.
Do you have the .webm of her screaming into the pillow?
I second this. That animation is high art.
I am resisting the urge to put loud nigra over this.
how can someone NOT love this movie? Even despite everything. It's beautiful.
>how can someone NOT love this movie?
I love Ruby
I love Chelsea
I love roasting their movie more
No amount of cuteness will ever override just how poorly thought out the plot was and how much wasted potential it had
I think the cuteness does this time. As much as i hate this movie. I just cant hate this movie. As much as it failed and wasted so much potential, it gave me something ill never see anywhere else.
>dat pretzel move
Ruby at the Prom.
So, PiratePon is the closest we have to that one Sashannegay from the frog threads, huh?
You know these threads have been going for too much when we get our own lolcow.
Like I said, this movie's an autism magnet and it's damn good at triggering it despite how it's heading for obscurity
All part of the ride. I can't really even be too mad since I can just ignore PirateKun. It's not like he was that one homosexual that chased off a drawfriend. right?
That one homosexual could speak actual coherent English so I doubt that
There's always room in these threads for more than one tard
That one Black person wasn't even into RGTK, that bastard was personally tracking down that one particular drawgay for God knows what personal reasons.
you think that guy was a lolcow, I'm gunna be a bigger one once my plans come to fruition
Anon it's not worth becoming the next Randy Stair over this movie
If anything you'll just make things worse
I thank god everyday I'm not as insane as Randy Stair.
I was thinking more along the lines of going chris chan and self publish a shity fan comic for decades, but the spirit is there.
finally, piratepon joker arc.
I remember this being one of these reasons why Cinemaphile threads hate moving to /vg/ because general threads are magnets for intense autists who try to make a name for themselves
Hell, it's why Death Battle threads here apparently detiorated
ANOTHER GILLMAN THREAD!!! YESSSSS!!! WE'RE BACK BABY!!!
I LOVE RUBY GILLMAN!!!!!!!
Come and fap her boys.
Fapping feels gross. No thank you.
Anon, don't reply to it
That thing doesn't deserve your (You)
Well I do. Cause fapping a mermaid will be fun.
I wish Agatha was pregnant
I want her to schlick Ruby
I'd rather she schlick to ruby and hopelessly and desperately be denied what she wants
Ruby will free her from the cage in the sequel
>spoiler
are you sure she's not just canadian?
Canadians aren't from the sea silly
>What Sea Creature is Ruby Gillman?
Bros, help me out here!
I just now got your joke, I'm sorry it took so long.
>Agatha: You're telling me my daughter has been skipping class. Ignoring her friends and love interest. Training with my mother and working hard to get the Trident for Nerissa!?
>Agatha: Ruby is just a kid and Nerissa is older than me!
>Ruby: But mom we're in love!
Didn't Brill imply Krakens can live for centuries?
proceed to WHAT with this fish?
Ruby is so horny for Chelsea it's unreal why can't we get a horny autistic Vee artist?
Froggychad and others are good enough for me. Plus if this were the actual Vee they'd probably have Ruby molesting Sam or something and I'm not okay with that.
>and I'm not okay with that.
it's about time someone enters that territory
>Agatha: Ruby she killed my sister. She killed my aunt. She killed cousins, nieces, etc
I thought Ruby Gillman was the guy from 40k
She is. Bet you could guess who Grandmamah is in this scenario.
I just found out. Roboute Guilliman. Frick. This whole time I just thought everyone on Cinemaphile had a 40k obsession and regardless of context would insert it for no reason and no throughline necessary. Forgive me for my lifetime of ignorance.
I mean yeah that does happen but between the punny name and grandmamahs extreme xenophobia it works.
TOTAL MERMAID DEATH
Kill mermaids. Behead mermaids. Roundhouse kick a mermaid into the concrete. Slam dunk a mer baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy mer. Defecate in a mermaids food. Launch mermaids into the sun. Stir fry mermaids in a wok. Toss mermaids into active volcanoes. Urinate into a mermaids gas tank. Judo throw mermaids into a wood chipper. Twist mermaids heads off. Report mermaids to the IRS. Karate chop mer in half. Curb stomp pregnant fish people. Trap mermaids in quicksand. Crush mermaids in the trash compactor. Liquefy mermaids in a vat of acid. Eat fishgirls. Dissect mermaids. Exterminate mermaids in the gas chamber. Stomp mer skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate mermaids in the oven. Lobotomize mermaids. Mandatory abortions for mermaids. Grind mer fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown mermaids in fried chicken grease. Vaporize mermaids with a ray gun. Kick old mermaids down the stairs. Feed mermaids to alligators. Slice mermaids with a katana.
The mermaids didn't even do anything in the movie
All we know about them is what her grandma told her
and if they did the mermaids wrong it's only natural that Chelsea wanted revenge
>mermaid
Mermaid, singular
Nerissa was still open about not caring about civilian casualties and deliberately tried to kill both Ruby and her little brother but on the other hand the director confirmed she wasn't lying about the whole "forced into hiding" thing
>and deliberately tried to kill both Ruby and her little brother
you mean deliberately left her alive without a scratch at first and then only attacked her when Ruby stood between Nerissa and her revenge?
Or how she just tried to grab Rubys brother instead of just crashing him and his boat with her trident?
this even in her revenge she was holding back a lot against innocent kraken
I know what you're trying to suggest but she's was in no way conflicted during the ordeal
She calls Ruby a pathetic monster to her face
>Or how she just tried to grab Rubys brother
What do you she would've done?
Put him down gently?
hold him hostage and then release him after Agatha and grandmamah are dead
>She calls Ruby a pathetic monster to her face
Because she knows it would hurt Ruby and hopefully trigger Rubys panic attack, so that she can attack the older women again. But as I said, by that point Ruby started to stand between Nerissas revenge.
>hold him hostage and then release him after Agatha and grandmamah are dead
Okay, I can buy this retcon
There's two kinds of cretins in the ocean. The ones that eat, and the one on the table. And the thing about being a kraken is, you're always the bigger fish.
Back when the movie came out someone made a joke that the Krakens have Israeli tier self defense protocols
Why did they frick this one up so bad?
Just make Chelsea a traitor who sees her wrong doing in the end and help Ruby to get the trident back
They didn't realize they made their twist villain too lovable before the reveal and how said twist significantly blocks out marketing options without a compromise
You can keep the final battle with Chelsea wielding the trident, it's set up the moment we even learn about it, but having Chelsea be pure evil means you have to spoil she's the villain because otherwise you're gonna market her as a likable, unlikely friend who wants nothing but peace in the ocean
The deception is more interesting and marketable then the actual "payoff"
Hell, it's outright more empowering
Would ruby gillman say poggers? Shes dorky and it sounds dorky. But shes also a socially inept loser and might be too out of touch for it? But also shes a teen zoomer and would be right in the range to be in touch for it?
She'd say it only because Trevin said it once
Why is Chelsea crying?
There wasn't enough mind breaking from Chelsea's side
She could've befriended Ruby only to turn against her
She could tell Ruby how ugly she is and that no one will ever love her leaving the little teenage kraken all heart broken
she relied to heavily on the trident
Guilt, Shame, and remorse. She was bad and now shes good. And now they will work together not to bring power to the krakens nor to usurp the iron grip of Grandmama, but instead to bring peace between the mermaids and krakens. No more hiding. No more fighting.
Oh you are right about the not fighting part
once Ruby is chained up and at her mercy there wont be any fighting anymore - only love
If Nerissa was truly repetent, she'd all herself to be executed for all the lives she's taken
Both sides killed each other, don't let the Kraken propaganda brainwash you
The Krakens fought in self defense and to stop a tyrannical ruler from subjugating the ocean
Also, Ruby could never forgive a person who has killed her family
Grandmamah is the already established tyrannical ruler, the mermaids just wanted to get rid of the genocidal dictator.
>Also, Ruby could never forgive a person who has killed her family
Someone has to start. Otherwise history will continue to repeat itself. You could have said the same about Chelsea/Nerissa "Nerissa could never forgive a person who has killed her family", what now? Continue slaughtering each other?
>Continue slaughtering each other
yes
If not for a grudge for the GrubHubians.
Also Chelsea = Nerissa throws a wrench in the mermaid race war because they're all teenagers now, what even is Chelsea's family?
they're adults who LOOK like teenagers. Can you guys please stop this stupid meme?
Lmao the writers intended to write Chelsea as a mean girl not some fricking teenager looking adult
Yes and Kokiri are adults who look like kids
She read the script and saw the box office numbers
Maybe it needs new scenes in it.
Like making it into a special edition style.
There should have been more scenes about coping with the shame if being a monster. She should have been bullied or made fun of somewhere in the school. She should be touchy and insecure about having a monster form for longer. Anything to set up conflicts and drama for her to interact with.
>She should have been bullied or made fun of somewhere in the school
Problem is that the grubhubians not knowing she's a kraken is a major plot point
It extends to the whole family as well
They dont have to know shes a kraken to call her weird and ugly and target her for mean pranks.
Okay true
Everyone hates Canadians already
I guess you just run into the problem if most people treat her like shit the setting becomes too unsympathetic to want to see saved
>You are a freak Ruby Gillman
>No -
>Yes you are a monster and a threat to everyone around you
>N-no it's not true Chelsea you are lying
>A freak no one could love I am the only one who understands you
>It's a Ruby and Chelsea are captured by ghost pirates and chained together episode
>Cue fight scene where Ruby finally reaches the salt water and grows while Chelsea is dangling on for her life
I know we were already fed in this front and starving in so many others, but it would be fun to have more octodad moments where the blue sticky fish girl is made obvious but she passes by on the stupidest excuses and she does more upfront undeniably weird things that get ignored.
top right after finding out her noddle is gay
>finding out your daughter is dating the ancient teenager who killed your family
Sexo. No wonder she had two kids.
Heh thought the lower left was Monster Vag
Her expression is perfect for it
>You know what to do now
Ruby no
Ruby yes
But what about Connor?
Whether for real or in a fanfic, I would have loved to see Chelsea's reaction to the statue (are they statues or stuffed corpses?) of the "evil mermaids", with her being deeply hurt and offended by what she sees (whether they were her friends or she just hates how mermaids have be vilified). When asked about it by Ruby, though, she'd try to play it off as a joke, saying, "Ugh... TOTALLY inaccurate! 0 stars out of 5. Would not recommend," in a sort of lighthearted, narcistic sort of way.
But Chelsea would be hurt by it.
They were clearly statues, because they don't look anything like regular mermaids, and only barely look anything like a trident powered mermaid(which there was always only one at a time) with some racist caricature stylized faces on top of that.
That would have just drawn attention to the pro-race war messaging.
Everything in Ruby Gillman is not ugly, it’s just witty and beautiful.
What would anti kraken propaganda look like in the mermaid society?
Recordings of Grandmamah should do it
>or she just hates how mermaids have be vilified
I mean, krakens got vilified hard by humans
two wrongs don't make a right
we all do anon, we all do
Giant monster squids aren't "vilified", they're seen as wild animals.
Why is Chelby so cute?
Color theory and chemistry
They have clashing designs and fit in separate archetypes but their friendship is convincing because it just highlights the similarities they do have and why these two drastically different people would value each other's company....and then the last 15 minutes ruined everything
Cute girl/hot girl is a top tier dynamic
Examples include Betty and Veronic & Velma & Daphne
Chelby just throws in forbidden love as well
*Betty and Veronica & Velma and Daphne
D'awww I want that
>Happy Ruby
Why is she so happy?
Come up with a school drugs episode
Chelsea forces Ruby to take drugs and have sex on the school toilet
>on the school toilet
You reminded me of how horrifyingly huge they are
Grubhubians are abominations
Is a shame that Ruby doesn’t bring her boyfriend to the bathroom.
So she can drown his ugly face in the water?
>some gross dudes whose faces seem to be melting, led by a mysterious Irishman, start selling epipens full of "sea slug slime" across town
>superpowers follow
>as does addiction and insanity
>chaos reigns
Now would you kindly try a sample? First one's always free~...
Would Ruby Gillman get deep into Ayn Rand?
why would she?
You're right
She's not shellfish
frick you but lol
frick you but true
CARLOS!
>That diver that Chelsea nearly choked to death comes back stronger than ever.
You know, I can almost unsee Bomberman
Almost
Looking at the original storyboard, how the frick am I supposed to root against Chelsea?
Mother gets killed, tries to get revenge , gets humiliated , gets called a loser and bullied around, and in the end gets trapped in a bubble
The answer to that question depends on whether you're a Becky or an incel.
>Mother gets killed, tries to get revenge ,
We don't know if that was still her revenge motivation came before or after that specific outline of the third act since she never confronts Agatha about the murder of her mother
That said, it wasn't a storyboard but rather an outline and there was plenty of room left for potential dialogue to highlight this but we can't know for certain
Again, the weirdest thing is that she leaves Ruby dazed
She doesn't directly harm her or seals her in rocks, she just leaves her recovering from helping get the trident
The movie assuming people are supposed to like Grandmamah is even weirder
From the get-go you're already not gonna like her because she treats Ruby as her heir to the throne first and actual family member second
You get suspicious because of her hostility, prejudices, how Agatha fled from her for a reason, how Brill calls her a warlord, how Agatha outright calls her out for only fighting for glory (which puts a damper on any benign intentions the audience is supposed to buy into), etc but there's zero payoff
This movie feels like the character herself took the script and changed the ending to make her look good and validate her beliefs
Is Grandma just one of the writers power fantasies?
I know people like to say she isn't genocidal because the mermaids went into hiding but that's like saying the Skeksis aren't genocidal because some Gelfling actually survived
Or like the Nazis weren't genocidal because not EVERY israelite in continental Europe was killed before the war's end.
Hell, her simply wanting to kill all the mermaids still paints her in a bad light
Especially since without their McGuffin, the mermaids are powerless
She still destroyed the mermaid kingdom AFTER leaving them powerless
Would they have kept all the mermaid's art and cultural artifacts or would they have destroyed them for fun?
Judging from the historical precedent Germany set, the former.
>Grandmamah just starts calling them mermaid "reeducation" camps instead
Nice new drawings.
>Beauty and the Beasts
Wow, all of her friends are there, expect Connor.
Trevin?
I don't like their smug aura. Like I'm about to be raped.
Say what you will about the clown, but the tall chick's a cutie.
REMOVE GRUBHUBIANS!
Speaking of Bliss...considering their town seems to be a peninsula where is the graveyard? It couldn't be in town because all of it is at the sea front, we actually don't see beaches in the movie so it might be prone to flooding and that will cause the earth to be too soft to bury people unless they want coffins and corpses just showing up when it rains. They might have a tower of death as their graveyard, but that'd be pretty grim.
Dude, you are seriously creepy.
Anon this setting leaves too many questions as is, if you add more it'll just collapse into a black hole under the weight of it all
Maybe they cremate and send the ashes at sea? That's how I'd do it. Enjoy my crispy corpseflakes grandmamah.
Mini mausoleums like in New Orleans.
Has anyone visited them with a costume and pretended to be a kaiju roaming around the place?
New Orleans has soft dirt and corpes and bones just float to the top during the rain. Some Wiccan got dunked on for selling those bones on Etsy.
Will LARPagans ever learn?
Who's the artist?
Is he from Twitter or on DeviantArt?
>He did well on those drawings.
>Maybe he can make new drawings for
ChelseaxRando and RubyxConnor.
(you) are already getting systematically blocked by the fandom. lmao.
https://twitter.com/GentlemanPaux
Very cute!
>pic
Artist actually made them attractive.
>Artist actually made them attractive.
That seems to be a common thing with the grubhubians. Not sure what it is that makes them so fricking ugly in the film. Not that fanart makes them a 10/10 but I can tolerate their designs easier. It's all the weirder since The Gillmans & Chelsea are perfectly fine in both 2D fanart and the 3D film.
We've seen Chelby We've seen NerissaxAgatha, but what about NerissaxGrandma
Or RubyxAgatha,
ChelseaxConnor
AgathaxArther
https://twitter.com/mnimi_x/status/1690809578659667972
If a series did have retcon/redemption Chelsea should she stay strictly as support for Ruby or should she get a new trident and fight with her?
Am I the only one who would prefer that while the Nerissa thing gets retconned, Chelsea remains a regular nemesis/rival to Ruby?
>Chelsea remains a regular nemesis/rival to Ruby?
i want her to be some sort of frenemy.
Yeah, along that line at most, but don't make her an outright good girl.
oh this, all of this. A good factor for appreciating Chelsea is if she keeps a mean streak on her personality.
The BFF storyboard felt like it could've set up to that even if it was entirely possible and even likely that wouldn't have been the case
The friendship feels genuine and you know either girl would have each other's back through thick and thin but Chelsea's still a rotten kid
It's why people compared to Anne and Sasha's dynamic a lot
Even in the final film where pre-twist Chelsea couldnt' be openly evil she still had a hint of delinquency with the ditch day
Frenemy works as the best compromise but it has to be the kind of frenemy that starts off hostile before gradualling developing more into the friend side of things even if this is the scenario where they have to share a roof together
Just realized a better comparison than a HTTYD comparison: this movie is like if The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas turned into Nazi propaganda in the eleventh hour.
That's a REVIEW of The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas turning into Nazi propaganda.
The big problem is that
A. Ruby Gillman wasn't set up as an unlikely friends story from the start, it just came to be in the second act and became unintentionally more interesting than the final film we got
B. The trident's a blatant chekvov's gun (of course this could've been mitigated if Chelsea was still sympathetic and/or manipulated and ultimately redeemed)
anytime I think of a chekovs gun, it's established early and sits in the background until it's inevitably used. That you can't establish a gun without eventually using it. But since they're always openly and actively striving for the Trident and it never fades into he background, I don't instinctively recognize it as a Chekovs gun. I could definitely be wrong on this though, I'm not an expert on it.
The trident is established as a deadly weapon
The audience is gonna want to know what exactly can the trident do (and judging by the film, not much)
It's clearly set up for a big fight
Does Ruby's sweater ever get itchy?
Real wool and fabric softener. Besides her body is well too lubcricated to be scratched
Here's your (You)
Piratepon is such a gay, and he seems to don't understand how this platform actually works.
>PiratePon is Dressguy
It all makes sense now
qrd on dressguy
Annoying person in the draw threads
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/co.desu.meta/text/DressGuy/page/1/
He latched onto this movie now
Massive autist in the draw threads
Will resort to spam begging and he's so loathed a newbie's mistake is to actually deliver him something because it'll just encourage him even more
He's been at this for over a decade and for a while people made art of Jenny being a black woman because it'd drive him away
Yes, you caught me, I am PiratePon and DressGuy in each site. Now leave me be!
>Now leave me be!
Leave everyone else alone you waste of oxygen
>Now leave me be!
what about you let everyone else be?
https://www.deviantart.com/crawfordjenny this guy's dA is very off putting for some reason...
I just watched this yesterday. I expected the ending to underwhelm me, but overall I think the film was consistently good (not great, just good) throughout. It also had pretty good pacing never lingering too long anywhere.
I never thought I was be into a MILF giant kraken... oh lordy. Ruby is so cute though, she takes the whole bakery. Want to cuddle her.
Question: Did they EVER explain how her clothes worked when she came back from being a huge kraken?
That's interesting, because pacing was my only criticism of the movie. I just feel like they tried to cram too many things and didnt' give enough time to any single idea they were trying.
>Did they EVER explain how her clothes worked when she came back from being a huge kraken?
No. I think the writers just handwaved it as a cartoon logic thing. Interesingly enough, clothes ripping apart was a thing in the storyboards but they just kinda appear out of nowhere in the final film. Clothes in general are an inconsistent detail. Brill comes out of the ocean naked and it isn't really brought to attention. I don't think the Gillmans are very modest. They'd probably all be naked were they not trying to blend in with humans.
> don't think the Gillmans are very modest. They'd probably all be naked were they not trying to blend in with humans.
That's... quiet an image. They might like clothes though. Ruby is pretty expressive with her colors and choices despite needing to cover up. Agatha clearly uses her professional clothing to covey a successful businesses woman appearance.
>also had pretty good pacing never lingering too long anywhere
The problem was that it introduced too many things and dropped too many things for me personally
> I just feel like they tried to cram too many things and didnt' give enough time to any single idea they were trying.
I can see that. For me, I was really glad of the pacing moving along when they got to cringey moments. I hate the over-use of humiliation of protagonist characters and unnecessary dramatic emotional conflicts. It had these but were sparingly used and quickly moved passed.
I do agree the movie introduced A LOT and unfortunately did not capitalize on them. They could have built a whole world, but they really seemed to want to keep things just down to 90 minutes.
I felt that way about the mario movie, where the trailers had me scared they'd linger and draw on some cringe moments. But even some of the jokes that were in the trailers were shortened. That movie did not waste your time.
When was the last time a mediocre/bad animated film that bombed got this much attention from Cinemaphile?
Same reason that sonic has never had a good game but can never be let go by the fans. You're looking at the next sonic fandom. No good official content, only a dream and glimpse at the divine potential. A concept that inspires the imagination and promises more in the spirit than the body of any mortal can answer for.
Anon, Sonic's Fandom keeps going because it keeps getting new shit
Sonic is never without something new
Even during mainline game droughts there are still spin-off titles, cartoons, movies, comics, etc
> a mediocre/bad animated film
I would definitely not call it bad, yet I hate to agree about this being possibly mediocre. Bad is an overall taste, and there are films with greater animation budgets that felt much much worse by the end.
For example, the ending of Encanto and Turning Red are both underwhelming and disappointing.
With this film at least I felt like they delivered an reasonable ending for what your expectations were.
>With this film at least I felt like they delivered an reasonable ending for what your expectations were
I just wasn't fond of the film seemingly subverting the trailer to make it seem more interesting than it actually was only to double subvert back again within the last 15 minutes of the movie
I'll draw one hardcore Ruby x Chelsea sex scene. What should I draw them doing?
Tentacle stuff of course. Cunnilingus would be fine too
So like a 69 but Ruby is deepthroating Chelsea with her tentacles while eating her pussy?
Doesn't seem too hardcore unless we're talking a "Sparrow tier" penetration.
Tentacles go into Chelseas pussy and ass while she eats out Ruby. 69 position could work but it might be easier with a squatting shot of Chelsea. Ruby has the benefit of being stretchy so you can do some wild positions. Ultimately it's your call drawgay.
Yuck!
Is he was Twitter or On DeviantArt?
You want hard core? Alright then, try this one out for size: Ruby and Chelsea 69'ing with Ruby fisting Chelsea with a noticeable bulge on her lower tummy. You can make it futa if you want (She does have a third leg after all) with Ruby depositing eggs directly into Chelsea womb
Draw Kraken Ruby using her pinky finger to frick Chelsea
Or draws Rando Kissing Chelsea’s legs.
I feel bad for those who missed the opportunity to watch the movie at teathers.
To witness how empty it was?
I saw these two cuties interact in the big screen.
The emptiness was very spiritual to me and only reinforced my dedication to the cult.
How many people were there?
It was the last day it was in theaters in my small uninhabited section of the country. I was literally the person there.
Sad
Since it was the last day, i got the big poster, so actually Im the winner here
When I went to see it here in Spain it was the third week and there were two full rows which is a lot more than I expected. What I can't understand is why everyone sat at the very butt end of the theatre, I simply had to sit in the front row because this is a movie about giant monsters and god damn I wanna see em as BIG as possible
Anon accidently walks into the theater orgy and ruins it
Thas really cute!
Today I will remind them
I think im gunna push revisionist history and deny anyone who days this movie flopped as promoting mermaid propaganda
Mate, if anything the grubhubians probably drew people off more when the trailer dropped
A friend of mine immediately assumed the movie would be bad because the trailer made it seem like annoying cliche trite with the ugliest humans he's seen in a modern animated film
Reminder that the movie said this is a lie and is impossible and the only solution to find the closest thing to peace would be either be to exterminate one of the races or force them into hiding
AAAAAH!!! CUTE!
>Cute
based
And you just made me realize there's a throughline with this old spongebob meme.
>Agatha wanted Ruby to live a life free of conflict and danger (nothing to do with sympathy for finbacks though, frick them)
>Ruby still fights sea monsters that just suddenly pop up around Oceanside now
>Will outlive everyone she knows at school ala a Viltrumite if Brill's comment about how long Krakens can live for is taken seriously so she's probably gonna take the throne anyways
Did....did Agatha lose?
That just further justifies Chelby
>We might lose the ones we love but we'll still have each other
Not sure if this was posted here but here's concept art from last month
Brill and Gordon are confirmed that have been part of the conceptual stage
No Chelsea oddly enough
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaG4LmPOak/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaHwkzvg6X/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaGXOUvZNz/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuLfbK7Lwiq/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuXps49PSjx/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuXqRrYymQ2/?img_index=2
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuXqvd-yIZq/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuLUwiVROS3/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtUw_rFSU0J/?hl=en
What a chad Gordon design. I kinda wish they kept his design closer to this, but then again it might have not translated to 3D well. Also I find it impressive how much they nailed it with Rubys final design as these alpha Rubys are also slightly ugly.
I'm still on the page that the earliest Ruby model (and appears to have been used for the BFF storyboard) is still cute and could easily be her own character
>are also slightly ugly.
I think that's the point
She's supposed to be ugly cute like a deep sea creature
Arthur's design in the bottom seemed to have made to early models. I think they're all blue on land in the final film to emphasize them being related as a family
Also seeing how genuinely good Gordon's early designs are confirms my belief that in a town of grubhubians, he's the only true human being
cute art
He looks more like a design that'd work in Genndy's Popeye movie
So I guess the theory that Megalon was supposed to be proto-Brill is dead now
Oh yeah, is anyone saving all this Instagram concept art in case the art book will be missing some?
That could still be the case but Megalon could also have just been his own character from the get go that got the axe. Wouldn't make much sense to have a two comic relief characters in an already crowded cast.
Also another odd thing I noticed was this description under Agatha's concept art
>https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaGXOUvZNz/?img_index=1
>in the early days of RGTK the kraken were kaiju, and heavily influenced by their amazing vinyl toys
So when exactly did they do the kaiju thing? The BFF ditch day storyboard didn't show Ruby as a kaiju at all. Was the kaiju stuff always the plan from day 1, even when it was still called Meet the Gillmans?
>Was the kaiju stuff always the plan from day 1, even when it was still called Meet the Gillmans?
Earliest conceptual art I can find (back when the movie was in its pitch phases) shows Ruby as a giant kraken
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/39eJOJ
This also gets reflected in other early conceptual art
Anon, that's the fricking norm
Always has been
>Anon, that's the fricking norm
>Always has been
There's a difference between having a clear image in mind and then fixing it based on feedback, and just making a dozen different designs and hope one of them makes the producers say "This one"
>Visual development for Ruby Gillman Teen-age Kraken. These were pretty early (C. 2017)
Huh, I guess the kaiju stuff for Ruby Gillmam was here day 1. So where the hell did "my life as a kaiju" come from then. Was that just pure speculation that I made up?
>So where the hell did "my life as a kaiju" come from then
Entirely separate movie
The movies being merged together has no basis
DreamWorks cancels A LOT of films
Ruby growing was gonna happen since day one
They probably just changed the mechanics of how it works to communicate it better and emphasize why Agatha would want her away from saltwater
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuHlUS4Rg1F/?img_index=1
That one leaked storyboard with Brill showed him to be a lot more laid back and "cool"
Maybe they scrapped Megalon and threw in personality elements from him onto Brill?
>An artwork for @teenagekrakenmovie from way back in 2019 when the project was called “Meet the Gillmans”. Early in the conceptual stage we explored character moments of a teenage girl who occasionally transformed into a giant kraken sea monster. As a visual development artist that stumbled into character design slowly over the years, I’ve found that conceptualizing a design is easiest for me to first approach in small illustrations.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuLFlQQvJOF/
seeing all these concept arts of these characters made me sad about current animation production. They pretty much just tell the character designers to come up with a dozen different designs and then see what sticks.
>They pretty much just tell the character designers to come up with a dozen different designs and then see what sticks.
I mean, isn't that their job? To flesh out the design of the character. I guess I could see getting butthurt that a crew would pick one artists design over yours but I get the feeling it's generally a more collabrative effort where everyone throws bits and pieces of their designs into what will be the final one. Plus as a character designer you're likely spitting out multiple versions of a character yourself.
This
The Zootopia documentary openly states that storyboarders and other artists create thousands of drawings that get thrown into the trash and part of the job is accepting
They don't get too attached as a result, what's good still makes for a good portfolio
Better look of the Umibozu model
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ao9Q38
a spooky horror antagonist would have actually saved this movie. Kids theses days are obsessed with kid friendly horror, and they've always been intrigued by the things that scare them. That's why old "family friendly" movies always have surprisingly scary shit in them.
A podcast review posted back said the problem with having mermaids be the villain and having her look like Ariel (albeit its mostly hair color) is that it distracts the viewer from what the film is trying to really say
Most people love mermaids by default so when they see this movie it's gonna be hard for them to be convinced that mermaids are the real villains (when you don't go full sea demon with them) and how people are just gonna be more focused on comparing Ariel and Chelsea's differences over whatever Ruby's going through
I'm not sure I entirely agree. You can have good looking villains as part of the message to not judge a book by it's cover. A classic example being Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. You can also flip it by having a odd looking weirdo be your lead (though admittedly that's a harder sell). The issue with Chelsea is that we as an audience weren't given enough hints of her true intentions as Nerissa. (in the film, marketing is another ballpark) With other twist villains you're at least given bits and pieces here and there to make that transistion to bad guy seemless. But if anything Chelsea gave off hard misdirections with her Hans smiles. The twist sucks because it was a complete rugpull. As such I'm not sure if having an ugly design would have helped much as the flaw is more of a storytelling one. If Chelsea were an Umibozu girl the twist would still be unsatisfying.
They just said on principle, even upfront as a villain she'd be distracting and hard to sell (especially selling mermaids entirely as a race as evil) but I get what you mean
They fricking HATED the twist and spent most of the podcast roasting it for all the messed up moral implications that Ruby should've just stayed in her lane and her actively seeking compassion and peace was a mistake
I guess I went on a slight tirade on the film itself again. Let me try and pull back. I can get what they're saying in that having a mermaid be your villain would be distracting but It could also be your selling point. I guess in that sense having Chelsea be a mermaid, a creature that most audiences these days view as good be your lead villain, is something of a double-edge sword. If the villain were another uglier sea monster then I think you'd head in the opposite direction of being unremarkable rather than controversial. By having Chelsea be an icon dragged through the mud, it could at least get people talking. Subversion can work well if executed right, that's why there was the trend of evil Superman via Omniman and Homelander for a bit.
Honestly part of me just thinks its coincidence
Invincible and The Boys are separate comics made in the 2000's that just coincidentally got adapted in today's age (Brightburn is pushing it and Injustice was the worst implementation)
They have premises and marketing value beyond simply making the Superman archetype the villain
It is somewhat coincidence. Omniman isn't really even a villian in the grand scope of Invincible But there is something to be said about how much it got people talking about both The Boys and Invincible because of evil Supes. I can guarantee that people saw clips of both characters doing bad things and decides to check out the shows from those clips. Chelsea could have worked in a similar manner, but she didn't and it's not hard to see why.
>Chelsea could have worked in a similar manner, but she didn't and it's not hard to see why.
I mean her coming across as evil Ariel did make the movie have internet hype........for like three weeks at a rapidly diminishing rate
I'm not even sure if that was fully because of Chelsea. Probably just residual copium from Puss n Boot 2 and the totally going to happen Dreamworks Renaissance. I know I didn't even find out about the film until it was basically in theaters.
People were using her to shit talk the upcoming Little Mermaid remake while saying this is DreamWorks' biggest middle finger toward Disney since Shrek
Its so weird that the pro racism movie was being used as pro racism propaganda but in the opposite direction for mermaids that the movie took
Can we take a second to appreciate the layers of goofy that is?
Imagine if Chelsea was black but the whole plot stayed the same
If she was black, it might have given the writers enough self awareness to change the ending. So it might be better.
Just like with these feminist movies where men are being written as horrible monsters and we were suppose to agree with the girlboss protagonist and people suggest to rewrite the movie with the genders reversed, I kinda want to see Ruby Gillman now with actual people and Chelsea being Black or blatantly israeli and the Krakens being white.
I was thinking of taking the script of the movie and replacing every mention of the word mermaid with israelite just to see how it'd look
All the script I could find had licensrd music lyrics and I didn't want to spend time getting rid of each one out of laziness
That said
>Before you freak out, she is a israelite but you're gonna love her
>Inside. Now.
>Ruby, you have to listen to me. You don't understand the danger you're in. We left the ocean because of a israelite
>Don't worry she's not like her mom
>Her mom?
>The israelite queen
>She's the israelite queen's daughter!?
>Yeah but she's my friend
>She is not your friend, she is dangerous!
Jesus Christ, Raimi.
There's also a layer of irony that Chelsea being pure evil was what caught people's attention initially and was a major selling point only for it to backfire horribly in the grand scheme of things and leave the film in a lose-lose position with its marketing that helped caused the film to bomb
The movie isn't deliberately pro-racism
Hell, it could have had evil mermaids and still not be memed about being pro-racism
It's the movie actually going out of its way to seemingly subvert and question ALL mermaids being evil only to validate the most xenophobic and bloodthirsty character in the film AND the movie being hypocritical on "not judging others based on appearence" when the final act could have been avoided if Ruby judged Chelsea for being a mermaid despite saving her life that earned its reputation here
Its only pro racist in a strict litteral reading of the movie, which is unfair way of judging most movies. If you dont entertain any metaphors, then usually most of the themes get lost. I kind of read a bit of racial sympathy from the movie with them foreigners from their homeland facing social alienation.
The gillmans are not white. Theyre canadian
>I kind of read a bit of racial sympathy from the movie with them foreigners from their homeland facing social alienation.
I mean, Coneheads was a confirmed inspiration back in its Meet the Gillmans days
I still dont know what the frick that is and the pictures look scary so i wont watch it. Genius be damned, i can skip an ugly movie every now and then.
the actual movie isn't that bad, but I admit the teeth scene haunted me as a kid. But I don't remember anything else about the movie
Thing is, if the Gillmans could be seen as analogous to human immigrants and that extends to the Kraken race as a whole of being misunderstood foreigners, what does that make mermaids as an inherently evil race?
This is the board that memed up Star Vs being pro-genocide the second that finale dropped
I thought star vs was pro femcuck propaganda?
(The only thing i know about cartoons is from the porn i consume)
The other statues in the Museum to Extinct Races most likely bear about as much resemblance to their subjects as the mermaid statues do.
Definitely my favorite design out of the sea monsters but they're all really cool and makes me wish for a continuation.
I think I'll ask again, why there's no giantess fetish community for this episode. No one has posted the screenshot of her face smooshed against the glass when she grew too big for the building. Why?
I think giantess guys don't care much for this movie, because they don't look like actual women when in giant form.
More Chelsea Artwork.
They were right. It might at this moment seem like they were proven false, but they were looking farther into the future.
I get the point but Ruby Gillman doesn't have a future
The Mouse has been getting doomposted for years now and frankly I don't even care what happens, I'm not gonna risk making myself look like an idiot for making judgements I'm not smart enough to call
Im willing to look stupid on this one. I dont care if im wrong. I fight for this dying fandom until its dead for good.
Real debate time. Which one is ruby and which one is chelsea?
Ruby's the frog
No matter what, she's the frog (also doubles as a Canada joke if we consider Quebec)
>Chelsea
>Crocs
co Gillstandom, i need your help to crack the code of this and decipher its meaning.
Autism
Draw chelsea in a purple dress.
Ruby Gillman got it cover.
Chelsea and Ruby locker bullying
>Chelsea shocked as Ruby can now dom her
ask that one greenanon she could top her whenever.
I miss him
Until another thread.
heehee water balloons
Chelsea really should have been a mean b***h to ruby. It would make her coming around and falling alove to her even jotter
Does the ending mean the movie is about continuing generational hatred, rather than stopping it?
That wasn't the intention but it's there