>this anon actually tried impersonating guy
lol we can all tell, buddy, he has a veeeery unique way of posting and be would never say something like that
Gerald McBoing Boing, Rooty Toot Toot, and the Mr. Magoo cartoons.
Cinemaphile (I'm guessing because of some youtuber) suddenly hates them because they were a union and were the originators of the limited animation style that other companies tried and then bastardized for television. John K actually really respected the UPA-style and was always upset that tv animation abandoned it. He considered it the last good stylized animation our country ever put out.
It's honestly kind of wild that, for all the guy posting, a lot of people on Cinemaphile have never read his blog. Personally, I think its an absolute tragedy that he's a teen groomer, because he genuinely IS talented and would have been a fantastic link between the old traditions and modern cartoons. At the very least, he should have been a lauded animation professor. But he a fricking smeghead he gets up his ass a bit too much, so that's a dead dream.
Cinemaphile just parrot whatever they percieve "their side" to be saying
They only hate John K because they think this is some kinda sided battle, not because they know what he believes in and formed their own opinions
Rooty Toot Toot is the best UPA short I've seen, though I haven't seen them all. The Jaywalker one, though, that one is pretty boring. The 51st dragon isn't even animated (if it had been, it might have been good, the designs are nice).
As other anons said, animation was going towards limited budgets (and limited frames) because of TV anyway, so if anything UPA did the wise thing and realized that if you couldn't get lots of drawings, at least make the character designs neat to look at. Japan would pick up on this too.
I like the UPA style commercials, maybe some enterprising u-toobers might be inspired.
I would like to imagine cartoon connoisseurs can appreciate a variety of art styles without getting worked up, especially ones that were in fashion 70 years, but here we are. It's not like this style is the dominant one anymore, or that you can't watch 1940s Looney Tunes anymore either.
Actually, TV didn’t kill The Golden Age of animation. No, that was the Supreme Court ruling, “United States v. Paramount Pictures (334 US 131).
Thad Komorowski, the dude that wrote the book about the history of Ren and Stimpy, Sick Little Monkeys, explained in the book: > “There are many factors to consider when analyzing how this happened. The most obvious and widely professed explanations lay outside the creators’ control. Cited as the beginning of the end was the Supreme Court case United States v. Paramount Pictures (334 US 131), also known as the Hollywood Antitrust Case of 1948. The Court decided that the movie studios held a monopoly over film distribution with the practice of block-booking. This system distributed cartoons as part of a theatrical program package; box-office returns were divided over the entire package, thus helping to subsidize cartoon production. In the presence of block-booking, the art of animation largely flourished. The medium rose to a peak (any arbitrary year in the latter half of the 1940s) and was able to linger there for a time. The subjective components that contributed to the kind of character animation at which the Disney, Warner Bros., and MGM cartoons excelled are too numerous to list here. What remains incontrovertible is that the money was actually available to allow the mid-century animation studios to thrive the way they did. With the demise of block-booking, however, shorts no longer shared the wealth “of the features. The animation studios’ respective distributors were not willing to throw their own money at the productions. Within a few years, what was known as the Golden Age of animation came to an end. Most animation studios had survived on a mere technicality: each major distributor only had animated cartoons because everyone else had them. With theaters unwilling to pick up the dime, budgets dwindled and doors closed
The move to TV was really an act of desperation really
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Anonymous
Further proof that
Lol. Lmao. The theatrical era was terrible in its final years. If anything, we were lucky it got mercy killed.
is correct. (early TV animation is still shit though)
Eh…his blog can be a bit hit and miss.
The good stuff is the Golden Age animation examples or some of his color theory stuff, but there’s some bad advice in there, the worst is his take about gesture drawing and how you don’t need it, which is insane. As an animator you definitely need to learn gesture.
Why?
It teaches you to push a pose into something more dynamic which is really important for animation. Also his Cal-Arts argument was wrong and dumb
this thread is just more john k seething and cultgayging
i assure you OP doesnt care about animation, UPA or anything or the sort
he just wants another group identity argument
Further proof that [...] is correct. (early TV animation is still shit though)
Early HB was excellent, HB did not become dull until 1969 with Scooby Doo (which I like) but at lease they were much better then Filmation (the studio you should blame for fricking everything up).
In short. >Filmation fricked everything up with The Archie Show, the original 2600 Pac-Man of the animation industry. >HB made Scooby Doo, the 2600 E.T. of the animation industry. >Industry stays shit for years. >TMS came at the industry's darkest hour and made Ulyssey 31, the Donkey Kong of the animation industry. >Makes a number of high quality shows they only got better and better with each program. >TMS' Gummi Bears (the Super Mario Bros of the animation industry) happed and the industry is saved. >Stays like this for 15 years. >Meanwhile John K. reboots Mighty Mouse to compete with TMS and later creates Ren and Stimpy to compete with TMS' Tiny Toons and Gainax's Nadia. >TMS gets fired after finishing Return of The Joker due to money laundering for local projects (Secret of Cerulean Sand), that and cost and pressure from Korea's growing animation industry (Whaa... Muh Comfort Women). >Korea takes over and is alright at first. >Avatar:TLA happened. >Industry reverted back to it's 1970s hell hole. >Trump became president. >Economy is now worse then it was under Obama >Rehashes of older IPs = early 1980s all over again. >TMS tried to save the industry again like to did when it went to it's darkest hour the first time. >Got raped and got put in line with the other anime studios because Korean VANK now runs the animation industry. >IPs got raped and butchered because "Whaa... Muh Nanjing", "Whaa... Muh Unit 731", "Whaa... Muh Comfort Women" and especially "Whaa... Muh Pearl Harbor". >Meanwhile John K. is caught grooming teenagers and is blacklisted from the animation industry. >Animation industry becomes irredeemable.
>UPA >ended he classic age of animation >not Jack Warner fricking over the whole company and the new execs realizing they could make more money farming out the old shows in syndication >not Walt Disney being completely over animation after Sleeping Beauty failed and focused on the parks and brand for the rest of his life >not Famous Studios having its library sold to compete with WB on TV and being turned into a Popeye sweat shop >not Hanna and Barbera stealing what was left of MGM's studio to found HB Productions
Sure. Mr. Magoo was a death knell for the Golden Age and not the collapse of the studio system and the sheer dominance of television.
Television and it almost killing the theatrical short animation industry has had WAY, WAY bigger consequences for the end of the Classic Age than UPA did (who only joined in on the TV scene by their final years)
>almost killing the theatrical short animation industry
Almost? I think it's fair to say the industry for theatrical shorts is dead when the only shorts being made are indie projects and the only thing that passes for distribution is YouTube.
Completely different. Theatres were what animation during the golden and silent age was made for and where it was distributed. It was replaced by the Television the same way that the Internet is replacing the television
It's true though. The closer to 1942, the better. This doesn't mean things from 1943 are instantly bad.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>It's true though. The closer to 1942, the better.
I don't agree. TGPBR was 1946 and Clampett was the best LT director but after he left, every other director seemed to improve. Tex's best cartoons Bad Luck Blackie, King Sized Canary, and Magical Maestro came out 47-52. Shamus probably would have continued to make great cartoons at Lantz if he hadn't quit over a pay dispute.
Rooty Toot Toot is the best UPA short I've seen, though I haven't seen them all. The Jaywalker one, though, that one is pretty boring. The 51st dragon isn't even animated (if it had been, it might have been good, the designs are nice).
As other anons said, animation was going towards limited budgets (and limited frames) because of TV anyway, so if anything UPA did the wise thing and realized that if you couldn't get lots of drawings, at least make the character designs neat to look at. Japan would pick up on this too.
I like the UPA style commercials, maybe some enterprising u-toobers might be inspired.
I would like to imagine cartoon connoisseurs can appreciate a variety of art styles without getting worked up, especially ones that were in fashion 70 years, but here we are. It's not like this style is the dominant one anymore, or that you can't watch 1940s Looney Tunes anymore either.
Their Private SNAFU shorts were good
Wrong pic
You're both moronic.
HB was excellent, you're thinking of this studio.
Hanna-Barbera is the reason animation is considered a cheap medium to sell toys and products to kids. So frick them they ruined animation in the west
Both Bauhaus school of design Inspired/instructed/influenced
they would have ruined animation forever if it wasn't for john k, I wish I could suck his dick...
>this anon actually tried impersonating guy
lol we can all tell, buddy, he has a veeeery unique way of posting and be would never say something like that
wow you are very smart anon
It was me all along, i'm going to call the industry.
There was a whole slew of fakeguys at one point. Me included.
I remember one time I derailed a guybait thread this way https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136096090/#136096146
stfu Black person, you are not me
i thought a upa was that thing you get where youre so fat your dick kinda sinks into the fat
What did they make?
Gerald McBoing Boing, Rooty Toot Toot, and the Mr. Magoo cartoons.
Cinemaphile (I'm guessing because of some youtuber) suddenly hates them because they were a union and were the originators of the limited animation style that other companies tried and then bastardized for television. John K actually really respected the UPA-style and was always upset that tv animation abandoned it. He considered it the last good stylized animation our country ever put out.
What animation style did he hate?
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/05/upa-flat-stylized-cartoons-i-like.html
It's honestly kind of wild that, for all the guy posting, a lot of people on Cinemaphile have never read his blog. Personally, I think its an absolute tragedy that he's a teen groomer, because he genuinely IS talented and would have been a fantastic link between the old traditions and modern cartoons. At the very least, he should have been a lauded animation professor. But he a fricking smeghead he gets up his ass a bit too much, so that's a dead dream.
Cinemaphile just parrot whatever they percieve "their side" to be saying
They only hate John K because they think this is some kinda sided battle, not because they know what he believes in and formed their own opinions
So just like OP then
He is also a terrible boss, don't forget that.
Actually, TV didn’t kill The Golden Age of animation. No, that was the Supreme Court ruling, “United States v. Paramount Pictures (334 US 131).
Thad Komorowski, the dude that wrote the book about the history of Ren and Stimpy, Sick Little Monkeys, explained in the book:
> “There are many factors to consider when analyzing how this happened. The most obvious and widely professed explanations lay outside the creators’ control. Cited as the beginning of the end was the Supreme Court case United States v. Paramount Pictures (334 US 131), also known as the Hollywood Antitrust Case of 1948. The Court decided that the movie studios held a monopoly over film distribution with the practice of block-booking. This system distributed cartoons as part of a theatrical program package; box-office returns were divided over the entire package, thus helping to subsidize cartoon production. In the presence of block-booking, the art of animation largely flourished. The medium rose to a peak (any arbitrary year in the latter half of the 1940s) and was able to linger there for a time. The subjective components that contributed to the kind of character animation at which the Disney, Warner Bros., and MGM cartoons excelled are too numerous to list here. What remains incontrovertible is that the money was actually available to allow the mid-century animation studios to thrive the way they did. With the demise of block-booking, however, shorts no longer shared the wealth “of the features. The animation studios’ respective distributors were not willing to throw their own money at the productions. Within a few years, what was known as the Golden Age of animation came to an end. Most animation studios had survived on a mere technicality: each major distributor only had animated cartoons because everyone else had them. With theaters unwilling to pick up the dime, budgets dwindled and doors closed
The move to TV was really an act of desperation really
Further proof that
is correct. (early TV animation is still shit though)
Eh…his blog can be a bit hit and miss.
The good stuff is the Golden Age animation examples or some of his color theory stuff, but there’s some bad advice in there, the worst is his take about gesture drawing and how you don’t need it, which is insane. As an animator you definitely need to learn gesture.
Why?
It teaches you to push a pose into something more dynamic which is really important for animation. Also his Cal-Arts argument was wrong and dumb
this thread is just more john k seething and cultgayging
i assure you OP doesnt care about animation, UPA or anything or the sort
he just wants another group identity argument
I don't really care what John K thinks. He's a boomer who worships dull HB shows. As far as I'm concerned, he's part of the problem.
Early HB was excellent, HB did not become dull until 1969 with Scooby Doo (which I like) but at lease they were much better then Filmation (the studio you should blame for fricking everything up).
In short.
>Filmation fricked everything up with The Archie Show, the original 2600 Pac-Man of the animation industry.
>HB made Scooby Doo, the 2600 E.T. of the animation industry.
>Industry stays shit for years.
>TMS came at the industry's darkest hour and made Ulyssey 31, the Donkey Kong of the animation industry.
>Makes a number of high quality shows they only got better and better with each program.
>TMS' Gummi Bears (the Super Mario Bros of the animation industry) happed and the industry is saved.
>Stays like this for 15 years.
>Meanwhile John K. reboots Mighty Mouse to compete with TMS and later creates Ren and Stimpy to compete with TMS' Tiny Toons and Gainax's Nadia.
>TMS gets fired after finishing Return of The Joker due to money laundering for local projects (Secret of Cerulean Sand), that and cost and pressure from Korea's growing animation industry (Whaa... Muh Comfort Women).
>Korea takes over and is alright at first.
>Avatar:TLA happened.
>Industry reverted back to it's 1970s hell hole.
>Trump became president.
>Economy is now worse then it was under Obama
>Rehashes of older IPs = early 1980s all over again.
>TMS tried to save the industry again like to did when it went to it's darkest hour the first time.
>Got raped and got put in line with the other anime studios because Korean VANK now runs the animation industry.
>IPs got raped and butchered because "Whaa... Muh Nanjing", "Whaa... Muh Unit 731", "Whaa... Muh Comfort Women" and especially "Whaa... Muh Pearl Harbor".
>Meanwhile John K. is caught grooming teenagers and is blacklisted from the animation industry.
>Animation industry becomes irredeemable.
did you use AI to write this post? Fricking incomprehensible.
I like to see you do better.
It's famicon shit. notice how TMS keeps being brought up
>I don't know anything about the history of animation.
I don't get why he purposely adds stupid shit or troll nonsense to 99% of his posts.
That wasn't Famicom, and it's not stupid shit or troll nonsense, thats how things actually went.
Learn the history of the animation industry.
No thats Flimation.
You incriminate yourself the more you deny it
Learn the history of the animation industry, you know nothing.
>What did they make?
Ugly toddler scribbles that ended the classic age of animation.
>UPA
>ended he classic age of animation
>not Jack Warner fricking over the whole company and the new execs realizing they could make more money farming out the old shows in syndication
>not Walt Disney being completely over animation after Sleeping Beauty failed and focused on the parks and brand for the rest of his life
>not Famous Studios having its library sold to compete with WB on TV and being turned into a Popeye sweat shop
>not Hanna and Barbera stealing what was left of MGM's studio to found HB Productions
Sure. Mr. Magoo was a death knell for the Golden Age and not the collapse of the studio system and the sheer dominance of television.
Television ended the Golden Age of Animation.
Television and it almost killing the theatrical short animation industry has had WAY, WAY bigger consequences for the end of the Classic Age than UPA did (who only joined in on the TV scene by their final years)
>almost killing the theatrical short animation industry
Almost? I think it's fair to say the industry for theatrical shorts is dead when the only shorts being made are indie projects and the only thing that passes for distribution is YouTube.
Disney and Pixar still regularly make theatrical shorts. Almost no one else does, but still.
Sony is
Completely different. Theatres were what animation during the golden and silent age was made for and where it was distributed. It was replaced by the Television the same way that the Internet is replacing the television
Lol. Lmao. The theatrical era was terrible in its final years. If anything, we were lucky it got mercy killed.
>shows Shamus Culhane, Tex Avery, Bob Clampett, and Jack Kinney at their peak
>"It's clear that something is deteriorating"
Anon, you're on Cinemaphile, where personal taste is objective fact.
It's true though. The closer to 1942, the better. This doesn't mean things from 1943 are instantly bad.
>It's true though. The closer to 1942, the better.
I don't agree. TGPBR was 1946 and Clampett was the best LT director but after he left, every other director seemed to improve. Tex's best cartoons Bad Luck Blackie, King Sized Canary, and Magical Maestro came out 47-52. Shamus probably would have continued to make great cartoons at Lantz if he hadn't quit over a pay dispute.
1942-1949 wasn't the Golden Age, it was better than the Golden Age. The peak, if you will.
UPA was a response to the end of the classic age, in any timeline art would've modernized to minimize costs. capital iz GOD
>Ugly toddler scribbles
>Being this much of a soulless realist homosexual
People like you are why the industry is dying
We wouldn’t have a lot of CN shows because of them. At least not in the same form.
rooty toot toot is a 10/10 cartoon
Rooty Toot Toot is the best UPA short I've seen, though I haven't seen them all. The Jaywalker one, though, that one is pretty boring. The 51st dragon isn't even animated (if it had been, it might have been good, the designs are nice).
As other anons said, animation was going towards limited budgets (and limited frames) because of TV anyway, so if anything UPA did the wise thing and realized that if you couldn't get lots of drawings, at least make the character designs neat to look at. Japan would pick up on this too.
I like the UPA style commercials, maybe some enterprising u-toobers might be inspired.
I would like to imagine cartoon connoisseurs can appreciate a variety of art styles without getting worked up, especially ones that were in fashion 70 years, but here we are. It's not like this style is the dominant one anymore, or that you can't watch 1940s Looney Tunes anymore either.
shit taste syndrome, sorry
moron