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Whats she thinking right now?
Should alec baldwin be worried?
Alec is going to get off because it was this chick's job to make sure real bullets weren't in the gun.
It’s everyone that handles a firearms job to ensure that it is safe. Made up build rules don’t have anything to do with the law.
he'll get off. that's the whole point of having an armorer on set. they are supposed to load the weapons and check them before and after each scene.
Oh OK. So when Alec got told "cold gun", if he had ordered the crew to line up so he could dry fire the revolver at each of their foreheads without once checking the cylinder, then he blew someone's head off, that'd be the armorer's fault right?
Yes. No. Both.
Paradox.
She wasn't even on set the day that alec gunned down that woman in cold blood, and wasn't supposed to be either.
but she was on set
In every day firearms handling, yes.
On a film set, if actors are going to shoot prop guns at each other, they necessarily need to break the fundamental gun safety laws. This is the entire point of the armorer role.
>they necessarily need to break the fundamental gun safety laws
Uh no that's how somebody ends up dead. Hopefully Alec's defense is less moronic than this
So you'd film a gunfight without actors pointing guns at one another?
I would never let anyone point a weapon at anyone else without it being checked for rounds in my presence, correct. Actually anyone who has ever been to a range once in their entire lives would do the same
What you would do is irrelevant to this case, because you've obviously never been on a movie set or have experience in the industry.
I do. I also have more firearms training than you. Baldwin isn't culpable here. You're uninformed and talking out of your ass if you think otherwise.
If I was an actor getting guns pointed at me I'd want everyone on set even the background mook characters to tediously check their guns for live ammo before filming. What moron would trust their lives to an Armorer knowing events like this have happened because some morons were playing with the prop gun shooting bottles when no one was looking.
>If I was an actor getting guns pointed at me I'd want
What you want doesn't matter, the law matters
As a human being with a functioning brain, Alec Baldwin should have checked no question, but him not doing it isn't illegal because it legally wasn't his job, stop confusing your personal beliefs/practices on guns with what the law on guns is
What matters is that the person whose job it is to check didn't check
Simple as
While there is no explicit law about it, it still easily meets the threshold for criminal negligence
Alec's decades of experience handling firearms on set and decades of anti-gun activism make him MORE criminally negligent than if he was some rookie who'd never seen a real gun before in his life
>Alec's decades of experience handling firearms on set and decades of anti-gun activism make him MORE criminally negligent than if he was some rookie who'd never seen a real gun before in his life
This is what I am hoping for. It wouldn't surprise me if that was ruled irrelevant or some shit unfortunately.
>decades of handling gun props on set make him an expert on guns
moron
Alec has been handling real guns, and campaigning about gun bans and gun safety for decades.
He has no excuse to not know the basic rules of gun safety, including "always check any weapon you are holding" and "never point your gun at anything you are not willing to destroy"
This is like if a guy who had been campaigning on the importance of knowing CPR for 30 years, and been filmed doing CPR on dummies for 30 years, came across an unresponsive person and then did "CPR" by repeatedly punching them in the chest, then claiming "well how was I meant to know how to actually do CPR, I'm not a doctor" as his defense
>Exactly, and that person was Alec Baldwin
>Alec's decades of experience handling firearms on set and decades of anti-gun activism make him MORE criminally negligent than if he was some rookie who'd never seen a real gun before in his life
Not his job
Not his legal responsibility
Does not meet criminal negligence threshold
Handing the gun isn't the issue, it's the maintaining of the gun and the rounds
If it was her job to maintain the gun and the rounds, and she mixes the live with blanks and someone comes in to take the loaded gun without her knowing to give to Alec, it's still her fault for not following procedure
>Handing the gun isn't the issue, it's the maintaining of the gun and the rounds
>If it was her job to maintain the gun and the rounds, and she mixes the live with blanks and someone comes in to take the loaded gun without her knowing to give to Alec, it's still her fault for not following procedure
And she should be held accountable for that, but that is only one aspect of the events that lead to the death. In every workplace accident there are always a serise of cumulating errors that lead to the accident. There is never one single solitary cause. That is because almkst every senario has been considered and procedures are put in place to guard against them. For an accident to occur, not only does an initial mistake have to be made, but multiple safe gaurds have to be breached for that mistake to result in an accident.
In this case you have an inexperienced armorer that mixed live ammo with dummy rounds. But you then have a chaotic set whereby the armorer was not allowed to complete the regulated saftey check before the weapon was handed to the actor. You then have an actor not properly trained in firearms who causes the gun to shoot when no one, including himself, intended for the gun to be fired in that moment, whether it was loaded with a dummy round or not.
You can isolate any one of these factors and attribute 100% of the guilt to the person responsible for that factor but you would be wrong to do so.
It's possible to think Hannah isn't the only person responsible but put the majority of the blame on her. She should get the most harsh sentence out of everyone involved.
>The person who literally wasn't there should have the most blame
lol, lmao
By allowing someone else to take a gun loaded with live rounds without making sure it was safe, she absolutely should have been. Maybe if she was keeping an eye on the weapon and making sure it was cleared before every step it would've been fine. She IS the on set armorer after all
How the frick is she meant to stop someone from taking a gun from the armory when she isn't on set?
She said herself "she left the loaded gun in the hands of Halls and walked out of a makeshift church on the set beforehand"
There were already complaints about how she left guns unsupervised. Production tried to correct it by having a check in, check out system but she said no. She was being a lazy c**t. Leaving guns with people that aren't firearms experts is moronic. She should have been there. Watch the behind the scene footage of extras just playing with guns between takes and she does nothing.
>Production tried to correct it by having a check in, check out system but she said no.
Kek. So production was like ah frick it we know things aren't quite safe on set but the rookie armorer in her early twenties doesn't want to implement any extra saftey precautions so I guess there is nothing we can do. Show must go on.
You're a moron.
They have other jobs to attend to than babysitting a so called "professional armorer" to make sure she's constantly doing her job properly. Anyone with a brain would assume the person with this undertaking would be serious about their duties, if she was there probably wouldn't be a person dead and she wouldn't have been charged with involuntary manslaughter.
>Kek. So production was like ah frick it we know things aren't quite safe on set but the rookie armorer in her early twenties doesn't want to implement any extra saftey precautions so I guess there is nothing we can do. Show must go on
I'd guess that's exactly how it went. They are complicit too.
How is being a rookie a defense? She took the job didn't she? She said she was a firearms expert. She said she has been handling them her entire life. If you watched the trial and came to the conclusion it wasn't her fault you are the moron.
That is a fair position to hold, but as someone who has worked in a lot of dangerous workplaces it is my opinion that management is responsible for not only hiring qualified people but also ensuring procedure is followed. If for accidents can be put on the back of rookie employees while managment gets off scott free then there is no incentive to keep the workplace safe instead of cutting corners for a profit.
>What matters is that the person whose job it is to check didn't check
Exactly, and that person was Alec Baldwin
Okay by your own logic she shouldn't have been charged as it was not her that handed Alec the gun. Her role was taken over, against procedure, by a crew member that outranked her.
Sounds like a perfectly logical argument if that's the case. Yes.
This would be true if Alec was instructed by the director, cinematographer or first AD to fire the gun or even hold down the trigger. But that wasn't the case. He did that of his own accord for no reason at all, and it led to someone's death. That is recklessness and criminal culpability.
>That is recklessness and criminal culpability
It's not actors job to be responsible for the weapons
Actors also improvise and go off script
Pulling the trigger when not told to doesn't matter because it's not his responsibility to know
Not reckless and not culpable
>It's not the responsibility of someone driving a car to know how to drive a car safely
>It's not actors job to be responsible for the weapons
Yes it is.
Anyone who holds a weapon is expected to be responsible for it.
If I'm filming a medieval movie and have a big metal prop sword, and bash someone in the head with it, saying "BUT ITS JUST A PROP SWORD" is not going to be a valid excuse when that person's skull is split open
Now I want to rewatch supernatural.
Feel free to stop after Season 5
I still liked it for those 10 years (there are a lot of really good monster of the week episodes) but the overarching plot is never as solid
If I decide to watch it all I'll probably just do the monster of the week episodes in later seasons. I think I stopped when they had the leviathans or whatever as the bad guys.
Actors rarely improvise when it comes to shooting weapons because even blank rounds at close range can potentially cause harm, not to mention the noise is very loud and so in a scene where people will be shooting crew will generally be wearing ear protection.
Had the intention for this shot be for Alec to shoot the gun, it is likely that the first AD, who handed the gun to Alec, would have either checked himself or called the armorer into the set the check the weapon. But it was not intended for the weapon to be fired. Alec did not intend to fire the weapon. It was not an improvisation. It was an accidental discharged, caused by carelessness and a lack of training.
>improvising means you can kill someone
>you'd film a gunfight without actors pointing guns at one another?
Pretty easy to do, really. Between using the right camera angles and prop guns made of rubber, there's really no need for an actor to ever point a firearm capable of firing live rounds, or blanks, at another actor.
I have read where film sets incorporate the actor into the loading process as another set of eyes for the armorer so that the right rounds are used in the firearms, be they blank, or dummy loads made to look real. That wasn't done for the Rust set, and had Baldwin been made to examine the rounds before he fired the firearm, he probably would have seen the live round, and not killed or injured anyone. No excuse for the actor to not check a simple 6 round revolver for the proper rounds imo, regardless if an armorer was present.
There's a scene in the Coen Brothers' True Grit where Rooster puts his gun almost right up to the head of that fat guy with bowie knife in the cabin and blasts him. I'm guessing that was not done with a real gun, or was just a cap firing.
Shit like that is added in post, or they get creative with camera angles. I know for a fact that when they did the same thing in Fargo they used a fake gun that just makes smoke and they didn't actually point it at the guy.
What script dictates that Alec should shoot the person filming him? Even if it was a blank it would have destroyed the lens. As I recall it wasn't even during filming.
>Even if it was a blank it would have destroyed the lens
No
>actors are going to shoot prop guns at each other, they necessarily need to break the fundamental gun safety laws.
scenes like that are actually rare. If you watch westerns in particular often somebody is shown firing a blank towards the camera where people have been cleared away or protected by transparent shields then the next shot is somebody with a squib and blood pack in their clothes going off and pretending to get shot. They never actually show the gun pointing at somebody and firing. Its often done this way.
Nobody expects the toy guns in a cowboy movie to be real with an intact firing pin and loaded with real bullets. The whole reason Alec had the gun was that he was going to be aiming it at people on camera that same day. Nobody who isn't a moronic homosexual upset that Alec made fun of Trump is going to seriously expect him to treat his toy guns like they're real.
it was a real gun, though; not a toy
This. Being an actor doesn't relieve your duty to follow the rules of handling firearms.
This is just more social decay. Rich, connected people getting held to a different standard of law than plebs. Very Semitic.
Do you go around correcting trigger discipline on kids carrying nerf guns? It was supposed to be a prop, dumb frick. Do you know what a prop is?
A "prop" doesn't stop something from being what it is
A "prop gun" is still literally a gun, this is not news to anyone except you (and certainly not news to anyone with 30+ years of filming experience)
If I'm on a movie set and drive a prop car into a crowd of people, me screaming "OMG I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A PROP CAR" is not a fricking excuse
A nerf gun is incapable of firing real bullets without extreme modification.
A prop gun is literally just a gun being used on a film set. That's like saying a table on set isn't a real table just because it's a "prop table"
>A prop gun is literally just a gun being used on a film set.
You Black folk are extremely moronic. Are you, perhaps, working as armorers for Alec Baldwin?
A prop can be a real gun, a replica, or a rubber gun. Nice bait tho.
No. It MUST be real! A prop means it's 100% a real gun!!!!
Stop shitting up this thread. It was actually good discussion before you came along.
A "prop gun" is either a real gun (used when a film will be firing blanks) or a replica, non-functional gun (sometimes used when blanks will not be fired, but even still a real gun will often be used anyway because they're not exactly hard to get a hold of)
In either case, Alec Baldwin was the one in charge of the set and should have known the gun he was holding was real. Indeed, he HAD to know it was real because he knew it was capable of firing blanks.
If I was an armorer for Alec Baldwin, I would have ensured he understood the rules of gun safety, and would have quit when he demonstrated many times that he refused to follow them. I also would have never allowed live ammo on set, but that's because I'm not a fricking moron.
This is either great bait or the biggest L in this thread
unfortunately I've had enough office chats to know that plenty of people unironically think like this, and will vehemently promote their position despite knowing very little about the actual circumstances
Safety is the responsibility of anyone handling a firearm, as the jury will be instructed to agree. 🙂
isnt he the one that let her in since he was financing the movie. and multiple ppl said he was taking shortcuts in production
Actors are complicit as well. Baldwin should be convicted of the same thing.
He won't, though. He'll get a pass...again.
He's not complicit lol. There's specific roles and laws on sets passed by unions so the actors aren't liable. Even if the actor knows how to check a gun they'd be told not to because their is an "experienced professional" for that on set.
He was also the producer of the film, the buck stops with him.
So if the person in charge of providing the craft servies accidently poisoned the food and someone on set died you think all the producers are going to jail? at worst they'd recieve a large fine. and there are multiple producers and I'm sure since he was also an actor in the movie he wasn't also a managing producer making all the hires... he just funded the movie
> the producer
There are like a dozen fricking producers. He had nothing to do with hiring this woman you fricking cretin.
Your theatre rules mean nothing in the court of law. I'm tired of anons mixing this up. You guys are smarter than this.
According to the law, Baldwin is guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
>i wish i had actually done my fricking job
>you may reduce the sentence by one minute for every hot load you take in your pussy while trussed up like a luau pig
18 months is the sentence
18 months = 548 days
548 days = 13,140 hours
13,140 hours = 788,400 minutes
788,400 loads
>how do you measure, measure a year
why did you show your work instead of just telling us the number of loads
Literally how to fix American inceldom, federal frickfests.
She'll just get community service or some bs as punishment.
Yea, California's legal system is insane and nonsensical. You get sentenced to 20 years in jail if you illegally posses a gun (a law that quite literally is unconstitutional) or 90 years in jail if a woman dreams that you sexually assaulted her 20 years ago. But murder is just community service and theft isn't even prosecuted.
This is New Mexico thoughbeitever
at this point, what difference does it make?
>hurdur all states are California
Wrong, this. Is. SPARTA!
this was new mexico.
It's new mexico you moron
They are taking her to prison right now.
her community service: being my gf
>wanting a moronic, fat, slacker gf
Don't think the pussy is worth it.
Textbook cruel and unusual punishment.
This is bullshit. She was convicted of embarrassing Alec Baldwin.
I could've saved her. As a judge, I would've pulled her aside and said "my dear, be my wife and birth my 8 indian children and I make sure you get off good baby". She would say yes and we would be happy forever in my families mansion
hot
#DignifAI
not guilty
>2 likes
never not funny
>Not guilty: evidence tampering.
was that about the white powder ?
Yes.
I think I'm gonna go get some Denny's and watch The Shadow to celebrate
How did she react? Every pic and vid I've seen of her in court she doesn't look remorseful, as if she did nothing wrong.
a slight flinch, verdict is read in the first 20 seconds:
her mother?
Well she kind of took it like a champ I think she must have known she was taking the fall and getting time for it
this is the mother of my children
I want to protect her
She looked scared when they announced the charges, but then it was done. She went back to flat with the acceptance of being remanded into custody.
The prosecutor added that Gutierrez-Reed was more "worried about her career" and less about the victims in the aftermath of the shooting.
Everybody in Hollywood has that mentality, including the woman who got shot
She didn’t react in any way at all. She listened to what the jury had to say. And that’s what no one did.
She's a nepobaby hollywood bawd numbed by a life of doing every drug and literally practicing satanism. She'll be in a prison for a couple of months and then go back to spending all her time being a spoiled prostitute with an easy life. Her time in prison will just be a funny story that makes her more popular. For her the worst part will be not having access to drugs in prison and going into withdrawal.
she is a woman, she probably won't get much time in jail
that is max sentence, not the sentence she will get
thank god justice was served
Alec Baldwin is a member of the elite and you're not.
Nice tummy
how can i send her money?
t. paypig
Find out what prison she's in and you can put money in her commissary she can buy food and other shit with
pathetic
also whatever you use for trade in india wont amount to much in USD.
gross tattoo I'm glad she's locked up
>nice tummy
No
Would rape
good morning sir
Watch out for the spider!
Looks like someone who should have lives in her hands
Perfect. A spider tattoo facing her womb,as if to solidify it as a spider's nest; filled with cobwebs and the ghosts of 1000s of dead babies sprung forth by nepo israelite jizz.
Me on her tummy
What if the courts turned her into a public hole as punishment?
>she didn't even take the stand in her own defence
WTF
Is she fricking stupid.
Did she think she was gonna get off, or baldwin was gonna take the fall or some shit.
Frick how moronic is she.
Any anons know how much time she is gonna get for manslaughter?
>take the stand in her own defence
Never do this.
Isn't the conviction rate a lot higher in cases where the defendant doesn't take the stand?
Frick off, the jury are "supposed" to take all evidence into account, impartially, including your own testimony, unless you are a moronic sperg who drops your spaghetti at any minor inconvenience, you are wise to have your own defence cross examine you to clarify any evidence presented already
Also
>doing everything a lawyer tells you to do
Unless you have some real high paid lawyer who is gonna get a fat payment for getting you off, take a lawyers advice with a massive grain of salt, use your own logic.
the lawyers speciality is as simple as knowing the proceedings of a trial and being an encyclopaedic knowledge of law information (should do, but wont)
Unless she genuinely was guilty like she bought a box of ammo, was too high on coke and fricked up and the ammo got in the gun, i.e she was genuinely guilty. there is zero reason not to get on the stand for a defence statement.
I would assume this is probably what happened.
>you are wise to have your own defence cross examine you
Sure, moron, except after that the prosecution gets to ask you questions which you have to answer without assistance from your lawyer. This is almost always a terrible thing.
>moron
>answering questions is so hard for you
Are you in a special home right now?
I bet you have never even been to court you moron
no jury in any nation in the history of mankind has ever been impartial
No satan
Its impossible, virtually.
Not only do each individual have their own reasons and political or ethical views of doing jury service, they all have their own preconceptions of the person, the case etc, the social dynamic of the jury and then ultimately what they are feeling on the days of deliberation.
Why I said "supposed" with quotation marks.
Sure you will get people who are able to block their external and internal judgements and rely solely upon the evidence, but doesn't mean the others will.
you sound like the kind of person who'd happily answer any questions the cops ask without your lawyer present because "if I didn't do it there should be no problem".
I am not a moron, I have been in cells/police interviews and court many times as a youth I know how to deal with myself with the law. I have lied my way out of criminal charges and court convictions, and I dont even have a solicitor, I can research any subject freely myself as public libraries and the internet give free education.
I am not a spastic like you talking about shit you watched on a TV show...
How many bar exams have you passed, anon? You make it all sound so simple, just use logic! Why didn't literally anyone else think of that first? Why were they paying lawyers all along? So silly!
yeah, never get on the stand unless your lawyer thinks it will help. spoiler: it almost never helps.
Are you fricking moronic. You should never take the stand in your own defense
>is she fricking stupid
Uh no that was extremely correct. She’s an unlikable nepo-baby prostitute degenerate that the jury would instantly hate, and she’s on film admitting that she’s an incompetent. Anything she could possibly gain would be annihilated in cross.
>she’s on film admitting that she’s an incompetent.
>he answered questions in a police interview the day of the accident
what did she say?
>which they tell you never to do.
Of course, who the frick talks to the police about the crime when not in the interview.
Its the shut the frick up friday advice.
Though affluent fricks dont know basic street level etiquette of dealing with the babylon
>>she didn't even take the stand in her own defence
she sort of did testify against herself since she answered questions in a police interview the day of the accident without a lawyer present which they tell you never to do. Some of that video was played at the trial. Alec Baldwin made the same mistake and also did TV interviews.
Don't Talk to the Police EVER
This ancient skit-tier shit has been debunked time and time again by first year law students. Don't refer to it ever again, unless you actually enjoy being ridiculed.
Pig
Not a single lawyer would ever advise his client to talk to the police alone.
>its been debunked
> with what evidence?
> it just has ok?
'trust me dude' isn't evidence
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
Correct, but you just tell what you're not hiding to your lawyer not cops who only care about convicting you
Cops care about enforcing the law and protecting the innocent. They're not going to charge you with a crime if you talk to them, unless they have reason to believe you did the crime (technically they can't charge anyone with a crime. The DA does that). Stop with this ACAB shit
If you are innocent and they think you did it, you are in big shit if you agree to talk to them
what an idealized take. I hope anon never gets in the sights of someone trying to meet quotas.
Have innocent people ever been convicted before?
There are no "quotas" and there haven't been since they were deemed illegal in like the 70s. That was for tickets anyway, not murder charges.
>everythings fine. the law is always respected and enforced to a T
how can you walk through this house of life with constant scaffoldings of lies barely propping it up?
Absolute moron take.
>If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
And if you did have anything to hide your communication leads them to deduction.
Simple thing is, police need evidence to convict for a crime and it is their job to find evidence, telling them anything gives them evidence via deduction or addition of information...
talking to them later, with your lawyer beside you, should not be considered hiding.
Give me your email and password then
There has never been a situation where taking the stand has been a good idea
>it shows her boob
kino
4doorsmoreprostitutes did and clowned on the prosecution
Worked for OJ Simpson
Alec's reckless behavior takes another life
Careful.
BASED ALEC GETS AWAY WITH MURDER
WHO WILL HE KILL NEXT?
Mike Williams
MIKE IS FRICKING DEAD
Alec's going to hell.
Mike still isnt wrong lol. Alec still shot and killed someone
>WHOEVER THE FRICK I WANT
>VIVA LA BALDWIN
If Baldwin isn’t found guilty after this then the Justice system in this country is a joke
Buddy they just charged Trump half a billion dollars for a "crime" with no victim. Don't wait to draw that conclusion.
>Justice system in this country is a joke
Come on man, your country is an entire fricking joke.
look at the OJ trial in the 90s
>gloves dont fit so I didn't do the crime
lol wut
>charged Trump half a billion dollars for a "crime" with no victim
QRD please anon?
>non American esl
As if anyone asked for your opinion or would ever care
>the Justice system in this country is a joke
Yes. It is.
KNEEL
ALEC NO
*BLAM BLAM*
>aw man i shot the cinematographer in the face
Whoever made the decision to hire her needs to face consequences. This is what happens with diversity hires.
So realistically based on this trial, what are the chances Alec also gets convicted in July?
Since a lot of the same evidence is going to be used at his trial
I’m guessing pretty low.
He was pretty loose with that gun, which is why ultimately that lady got shot. That said, it’s an actors job to act; being animated and improvising are the name of the game. It was on Gutierrez to stop him from potentially putting others in danger / to reign him in, keeping him from (as was seen) pointing at others actors between scenes with that firearm.
Yes, gun safety is everyone’s responsibility. I’m rather ambivalent on how I feel about it however, as he was the last in a long chain of frickups; being told that everything was all cool by numerous people under you (and likely being a true child with respect to knowledge of firearms, the squishy coastal acting type he is), his onus of responsibility feels significantly less than that of others, Gutierrez most importantly.
She never should have been given that job, being a nepo baby hire.
Plenty of other shot was fricked up in that production. It’s a wonder nobody else was hurt / killed; Jensen Ackles was found to have live ammo stuffed into his waist-wrap bandolier but the staff, so it could just have easily been Deano on trial, not Baldwin.
Carry on, my wayward son.
Nah based on what we have seen in this trial and some other factors I would put money on Baldwin getting convicted.
The two things working against him are that.
1. He was holding down the trigger when he released the hammar, which he was not instructed to do. He then lied about this repeatedly with his story changing multiple times which does not look good to a jury.
Now this is basic gun saftey. He should know not to do this based on previous weapon training he had received on other sets. The fact that he didn't receive training for this film leads me onto the next point.
2. It was clear through evidence in this trial that Alec was throughing his weight around on set to rush other crew members. This included creating an atmosphere wherein no one felt comfortable requesting that he take weapons training despite multiple people talking at the time about how this should really happen.
He was reckless in how he handled the weapon just as Hannah was. Hannah had more direct responsibility over the weaponary, but Alec had more influence on set. The fact that Hannah has been found guilty means that Alec has a very high chance of being found guilty too.
His ridiculous interviews and social media will not do any favours if submitted by prosecution either. I think its all going to come down to how his defense plays it. He will be convicted unless they can pull some shit.
Actually that made me think that while he might not get done for being reckless with the gun, or even shooting it as an actor he might get done for negligence as a producer for not managing the set correctly, like the armourer and gun safety.
If he had been directed to hold the trigger he would not be found to have been reckless but we know this was not the case. That is why Alec lied about this fact for so long, which to a jury will look like a conscious attempt to cover up his guilt.
He's guilty as frick, but she's taking the fall. Baldwin will walk and then be a c**t about it.
it hurts
Considering the alternative is being tracked down by Alec, I'd say this is for her own safety
>up to 18 months
Oh thats nothing. Drank the Vodka man got like 13 years and he saved all those people.
>Drank the Vodka man got like 13 years
who?
Who?
William 'Whip" Whitaker
Statistically speaking, women usually receive a 1/3 of the criminal sentence that a man would for the exact same crime. Modern America was designed to always protect females from the consequences of their own actions.
Take your Andrew Tate talking point leave. This is a board for serious discussion.
>faces up to 18 months
That's it???
It's only a fourth degree felony so that's the statute in New Mexico
Do Americans really think spending a year and a half of your live in a third world tier prison is a light punishment for mismanaging ammunition?
Nobodys falling for your shit bait.
lol the mutt can't even imagine someone having that opinion. Insane
Yeah, but it's prison in New Mexico. They don't have air conditioning or even adequate ventilation. Different than spending prison time in Maine.
>coked up party girl nepo baby gets 18 months for killing a person
Alec is a gay but this girl was going to kill someone sooner or later.
Someone else pointed the gun and pulled the trigger, pal.
Hitler never killed anyone either, he never pulled the trigger!
Hitler fought in WW1 and shot tons of people dumbass
Hitler was a messanger in WWI
If OITNB is accurate women's prison is basically summer camp with a lot of lesbians, she'll be fine.
>If OITNB is accurate
Watching OITNB to get an accurate representation on how women prisons are like is like watching Spongebob to get an accurate representation of how marine biology works
do you think she'll be a bottom b***h or alpha butch?
>she faces up to 18 months
How does this compare to the charges Baldwin is facing? Is he looking at more jail time than her?
same charge
>QRD please anon?
claimed he overstated his assets to get better terms on a business loan. said loan was paid off.
>claimed he overstated his assets to get better terms on a business loan
pretty sure that is fraud though right.
Financial deception.
It's not fraud if he paid back the loan because the bank isn't out any money.
it is still deception for financial gain. The literal definition of fraud. At the end it doesn't matter because it's a political trial
the judge used the county tax assessor's figures for the valuation of mar a lago. not the real estate market value.
in addition to this the judge declared him guilty before the trial even started
Basically what happened:
>Trump says to bank "I want a loan of X dollars, I can put up Property Y as collateral which I think is worth X dollars"
>Bank looks into Property Y and agrees it is worth X dollars
>Bank loans Trump X dollars, knowing that if the loan is not paid off, they will not be out of any money
>Trump pays back the loan. Trump got his loan, the bank got their money back + interest + fees, everyone is happy.
>Random judge with an agenda (and extremely suspicious financials including "work expenses" at nightclubs and hotels and food delivery) decides this was a crime, Trump must pay a fine, he is assumed guilty.
If he lied about the Y amount it is financial fraud.
Even more so if he lied on financial statements, got others to vouch, like he lied to accountants, lawyers etc.
It is illegal, just not criminal I assume, more like trade law illegal or some shot. Not my forte.
Anyway like that other anon said, that crap is all political.
My guess is trump is not playing ball with the israelites and is trying to run for president as an actual candidate rather than a lobby financed israelite puppet so they are trying to frick him in other ways, but he is too high profile to really frick him and make him a martyr.
The court said Mar A Lago is worth 18 million dollars, and that Trump's value of "between $426.5 million and $612 million" was over-inflated
The idea that Mar A Lago is only worth 18 million dollars is fricking ludicrous
The idea that the bank wouldn't make its own assessment when loaning out hundreds of millions of dollars is fricking ludicrous
This entire situation is so ludicrous that it could permanently damage New York as a place of business, especially for anyone involved in real estate even tangentially (which, spoilers, is nearly all businesses since they often purchase land and buildings)
Alec wasted that poor woman. Now another woman gets the chair for his crimes. How do we stop him?
No one can. He will continue to slaughter women and frame other women for it.
>cause a human death
>up to 18 months
What the frick America
Shit happens
>Hyde found guilty of non violent rape
>gets 40 years
>she gets found guilty of killing someone
>gets up to 18 months
how did hyde even get found guilty of a crime with no evidence?
He laughed at one of the women when she recounted her story of being raped by him.
but seriously, what was the evidence?
>3rd degree murder
>18 months
topkek
kamala harris put people away longer for weed possesion
>18 months
That's a slap on the wrist, lmao
A woman is dead but in a year and a half this woman is free again
It is pretty reasonable for involuntary manslaughter. If it was voluntary manslaughter it would be different. The intent behind your actions does matter. Were you being consciously reckless? Were you being reckless intentionally with a motivation of personal gain? These are important factors that play into sentencing guidelines. Was your recklessness motivated by anger or frustration?
>Job is to ensure the safety and correct use of weapons
>Fails at doing that and gets someone killed
Idk 18 months doesn't seem like a lot
There are other factors at play though. If I hired you to drive a train knowing full well that you had no experience, but did it anyway because you are cheap, and then that train derailed and killed someone, should you get more than 18 months in jail?
What if you had some experience, but I put you on back to back 12 hour shifts for 14 days in a row, and on the 14th day your fatigue caused you to make a mistake? Should you get more than 18 months in jail?
To be honest given the facts of this case, including her lack of experience and the rushed and chaotic work environment on set I think 18 months is perfectly reasonable.
For justice to be served though there really should be at least another three or four people serving 18 month sentences, including Alec as well as the saftey officer and the first assistant director.
Good, hope she gets her clit rubbed off by bisexual niggresses in prison.
hannah gutierrez was an onlyfans findom prostitute. that fact got somehow memoryholed from the public.
How is that relevant?
>fellow incel chuds alec is innocent, look shes a prostitute!
>findom prostitute
being a Paypig to a Findom is not prostitutedom
it is an honorable and moral pursuit
What do her braps smell like?
gunpowder
Enjoy prison prostitute!!!!
She killed that poor woman.
>Alec pulled the trigger, you said it yourself, Dude.
>Cops care about enforcing the law and protecting the innocent
yeah if the cops get a call that some guy in a hotel has a gun, they're going to be on edge when some guy is refusing to following orders and keeps reaching for his waist (where people keep guns). Don't act like a moronic animal and you won't get put down like one
I cannot sanction this buffoonery.
Alec Baldwin shot and killed an innocent woman and now he's paid of the judicial system with Denny's vouchers to drag this woman through the mud rather than prosecute him for murder.
ALL HAIL ALEC THE BUTCHER
If anyone thought that Alec will be convicted especially now that the elections are coming is stupid. He has more than enough connections
Everything is different post-October 7th. Genociding Palestinians is now the priority, not stopping Drumpf. If anything, Democrats are in the way of ~~*their*~~ present goals. Protection for Alec has already been withdrawn, that's why he was charged the second time. He may still get off but it won't be because of israeli tricks. Personally I think a New Mexico jury is going to relish the opportunity to put this New Yorker into one of their shithole jails
Recreation is wrong.
He pointed it at the camera and fired the shot, it went through the camera and hit her in the eye. The bullet came out behind her eye and his head. Imagine seeing that.
>getting shot to death by the king of the libtards while wearing a covid cuck muzzle
NO REFUNDS (the jabbed cinematographer deserved it)
Good thing she had her mask on. Covid is no joke.
nice sideboob
What she sees her first day
what hannah sees walking into her cell
Amazing how Rittenhouse was a more responsible gunowner than Alec Baldwin
How much Old Crow did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?
Rittenhouse only shot armed people, including a child rapist and a wife beater who pointed a gun at him
Why don't you mosey on back to pleddit and post fart sniffing left leaning ACAB shit with your boyfriends dick up your ass?
>armed people
Heh, not anymore.
>armed people
Having a skateboard does not make you armed. Are you a cop by chance?
It does if you're beating someone over the head with hit
It was a justified shoot, but he was not "armed" and it's disingenuous to say he was. By that logic, trying to punch someone counts as being "armed".
Using something as an improvised weapon makes you armed if the thing can reasonably be considered dangerous, which a wooden board with metal parts on the underside obviously can.
You can choke someone with a shirt so anybody with clothes on is armed.
If it could be used as a weapon is different than if it is being used as a weapon or if you intend to use it like one. I am sure many everyday items qualify.
There's federal workplace safety regulations and gun safety is left to the armorer because they are the professional on set. Nobody wants someone like Ezra Miller checking a gun... there's also contracts signed and unions protecting the actors.
I think you responded to the wrong anon. I am talking about skateboards
yeah it was to the anon above you
>there's also contracts signed and unions protecting the actors.
This is funny because none of this has to do with the law or the judicial system.
Ezra owns tons of guns actually, not sure how that's legal
Did you miss the part where Huber was actively engaged in beating Kyle with the skateboard? Or when he chased him through the street shouting threats while brandishing it like a weapon? You can't attack someone with an improvised weapon and then cry 'wtf bro I was unarmed'
I mall grab whenever I'm in sketchy situations in case I need to knock someone.
Anything that can be used as a weapon counts as armed. Your reasoning is very flawed. Skateboards make great bludgeons.
o rly then go beat your neighbor over the head with a piece of wood and see what happens
By your definition someone with a machete isn't "armed" because a machete's purpose is just to clear thick vegetation, not kill someone
Same if someone has a sledgehammer, or is trying to hit you with a car
The purpose of a machete is to cut things. The purpose of a skateboard is to skate.
I already said it was a justified shoot, you fricking moron.
That's because men are an order of magnitude more likely to commit another crime upon being released.
The "purpose" of an object is whatever it's being used for.
In that moment, the skateboard's purpose was to injure or kill Rittenhouse. That meant the wielder was armed.
If someone is "armed", It doesn't matter what the object was designed to do, what matters is how it is being used in the moment. A pipe, a tire iron, a hammer, a brick, a glass bottle, a piano wire, a belt, a necktie, a bottle of acid, a potted plant - none of these are designed to be weapons, but ALL of them can be wielded by someone with the intent to injure or kill. This makes them "armed" because they are using something as a force multiplier.
he was beating him over the head with a skateboard. that's like beating someone with a baseball bat.
I’m not a cop but I could put my trucks through your mouth homosexual
Y'all just think Alec should be convicted because he's anti-Trump. He's the father of eight children with his wife he met in 2018, who's obsessed with him. He should remain jail free to breed more children with his mommy wife.
Go
Outside
are you underage?
because this goes back decades, he's been a piece of garbage since the beginning of his career and this has been a long time coming
like what?
It's quite the list- assaults of crew members/staff/fans, assaults of photographers, threatening executives/costars, hysteria about non-existent health problems, constant leftist derangement going back to the Clinton years, it's all here
https://leohelmar.substack.com/p/the-alec-baldwin-terror-timeline
>ABC: Always Blast Cinematographers
I didn't watch this trial, how'd they get her for manslaughter? I thought it'd be criminal negligence at worst. She didn't fire the gun.
Watch the trial and you will find out dum dum.
Alec Baldwin had spread the word round town that he was gon' blast that sonuvab***h jury if they didn't convict.
They are right to be afraid, he is a known murderer.
Criminal negligence is enough to get you a manslaughter charge in many districts.
If her job was to ensure gun safety and she provided a gun with a live round onset, that certainly fits the bill.
>Criminal negligence is enough to get you a manslaughter charge in many districts.
>
>If her job was to ensure gun safety and she provided a gun with a live round onset, that certainly fits the bill
How could this happen?!
Alec should face no punishment. He already bought her family a Denny's breakfast, for heaven's sake.
I can save/fix her. Imagine the conjugal visits.
>anon arrives for his 15 minutes in the conjugal trailer
>there's a line of dudes waiting around outside
Deserve it.
Baldwin is sleeping easy now.
I just hope for a kino trial.
This is insane, she was not even on set that day as the exec producer(baldwin) had not scheduled any gun related scene. A gun was taken off her cart which is against the rules, and then a person shot someone with it. How the frick is she to blame????
Watch the trial and get your facts straight.
I did, what facts are you referring to?
According to a search warrant, the guns were briefly checked by Gutierrez-Reed, before assistant director Halls took the Pietta revolver from the prop cart and handed it to Baldwin.
Is Alec Baldwin really going to get away with killing that woman?
>Is Alec Baldwin really going to get away with killing that woman?
Yes.
>lifelong Democrat
>backed by every israelite in Hollywood
>backed by every Judge and leftist politician in the country
>has enough money to sway every juror
What the frick do you think?
Was she not one of the ones who walked out due to a lack of safety on site. Also was there not more accidents that happened on set before this? Honestly it feels like they’ve dragged this out so Baldwin gets someone to do his murder time
She was in charge of gun safety on set.
>point a gun at a woman outside of a filming, not doing a scene
>pull the trigger
>oh it was loaded with a real bullet
>she's dead
>whoops not my fault!
Baldwin deserves a slow, painful death with everyone he considers beneath him shitting and pissing on him, literally.
I agree. I think his level of experience should matter. Especially with how anti-gun he is. You'd think he would take the safety training seriously.
>I agree. I think his level of experience should matter.
Exactly my thoughts. He's not an amateur, but he sure acts like one. Probably because he knows he's become untouchable.
>Probably because he knows he's become untouchable
I think this will unfortunately prove to be the case in July. He deserves to burn though.
Yeah. Decades. Someone had a list of all the movies he handled guns and the first movie where he did as well. Wish I had saved it. I should start a Rust folder
Hadn't this frick been handling weapons on film sets for like 30 years?
He actually said he was only aiming at her because she told him too
>he said
lol
The point is in his defense is to try and blame the dead woman
Justice is served. Baldwinners, we won.
This is honestly bullshit. Lawyer said he's going to appeal at least and maybe we can still get the ruling corrected for mommy pig. She didn't do anything wrong.
She's being scissored by force by New Mexici methhead women right about now
If you read the evidence she really got railroaded. She wasn't even on set
>AD was the one who took the gun out
>Only the armorer could have access to the gun but since the AD was her boss, AD said no
Only way to avoid this was to quit the moment the safety procedures got overrode. Also the AD was smart as frick to take the plea deal because imo he was more guilty than her.
Yep that was the biggest takeaway for me. I already knew she wasn't on the set due to covid restriction so I was wondering who was taking over her responsibility and unsurprisingly it was the AD. I reckon New Mexico prosecutors went after Hannah cause of all the negative media she had gotten. She has some culpability for sure but way less than the AD.
>Dr Strangelove was shot very carefully, because nobody wanted the nuclear bomb props to explode, as they were 100% full working nukes
Halyna Hutchins died because covid restrictions prevented the armorer from being on an indoor set.
If she had been there she would have checked the gun before handing it off.
It should have been Fauci in that courtroom instead of Hannah Gutierrez.
Oh good lord