Not yet, but I've been getting so much positive feedback and requests for more, that I'm seriously considering continuing it. Might be a while, tho. I've got a lot in my queue at the moment.
Sonic autism to that degree seems to be a largely american thing, I've not met any Sonic fan who's as creepy as the american ones, it makes me wonder why, if there's a culture thing where everything's taken to the extreme. I know there have to be Yuropoor and latinkeks autists like that but they're not as easy to find.
SatAM is not boring.
It is. I gave it a fair shake but it's painfully boring to me. People hail it but it suffers the exact same flaws (story-wise) that 06 suffers. Too self-important while outstandingly boring. AoStH was more entertaining.
I mean to each his own but I can appreciate them trying something different compared to the other sonic show, honestly the tone between the two feels like AoStH was built around Sonic 2 with its vibrant colors and presentation and SatAm was more built around Sonic 3 and Knuckles for inspiration with it being more story focused and darker in design. I like both myself, I can't pretend they're incredible pieces of the medium like Batman TAS but they are still a nice bit of nostalgia to me, the cartoon version of eating sugary cereal
Can gringos explain to me the obsession with this shitty OC or SatAM? She wasn't even in the games, and SatAM is kinda boring.
She's fricking dead. And Sallygays will never see their beloved waifu ever again.
Yeah, I'd like pin Sally again the wall, with a knife and stab her.
Unironically what is it with antis like you? You guys don't even contribute anything meaningfully to the thread. It's all just "SALLY BAD" or shit. I unironically only learned about Rich thanks to you schizo guys.
>antis
Oh God, new zoomer lingo. Whatever, but I'll answer you honestly:
I grew up with the Sonic games, but the discovery of the Sally character when I got online in mid-00's and witnessing the large English-language following confused me. I thought she'd be this big deal character and when I could I gave the show a fair shot.
I just didn't like her nor the show itself. I liked Adventures, especially due to it's take on Robotnik
>I liked Adventures
Then watch actuall looney tunes,not the bootleg copy of it.
Can gringos explain to me the obsession with this shitty OC or SatAM? She wasn't even in the games, and SatAM is kinda boring.
Same reason why people jerk off 80s cartoon TMNT.
However Emi would eventually become Amy and appear in many games starting with Sonic CD. The only other characters who would graduate from manga to officially appearing in a video are Karin Kanzuki and Gouken from SF.
What about Charmy?
Has anyone realised how much SatAM borrowed from Star Wars? I don't even mean this as an insult, but the whole Doomsday thing was pretty much a Death Star plot, and Sally is very similar to Leia as a character.
I mean, that's pretty in line with future sonic content.
>It's all just "SALLY BAD" or shit.
Verses "SALLY GOOD" and "SIT ON MY DIIIIIIIIIIIICK", this isn't reddit or discord, hugboxes are against site rules.
>has no special powers >fricks up all the time >nearly got killed by a literally who like Hershey The Cat >got killed again by some wall turrets years later >her brother is a way better ruler than her >even when roboticized and given upgrades by Eggman she can’t even beat a B-tier fighter like Monkey Khan >even when given laser swords in the reboot never accomplishes anything and has her AI girlfriend fight all her battles
Sally is the furthest thing from a Mary Sue you can be. Every other major female in the series has a better case for being a mary sue. Hell, Sonic himself is a colossal gary stu.
Sonic isn't that much of a gary stu in Satam and Archie. He does fail and struggle sometimes. IDW especially and occasionally the games are way worse with that. But Sonic being powerful is at least justified because he's the main character in a fantasy hero series (don't know why i have to even explain this).
Then how did the Zombot arc drag on for as long as it did?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can't lose if the fight never ends.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because he never lost a fight, everyone around him did. Sonic’s friends are allowed to take Ls but Sonic himself can’t which made the illusion of him being vulnerable.
Him demolishing Surge and Mecha Sonic with a broken leg is proof that he’s not allowed to lose.
I'm a Sonic mark and still like SatAm really well, but it's an obvious product of its time and ended in the gayest way possible with a cliffhanger. I had always meant to watch sonic x as well but I got a feeling it's probably shit like most sonic releases are
Sonic x isn't good. It's unintentionally goofy in an awkwardly translated shonen anime sort of way, like good majority of stuff 4kids bought. Ultimately outside of an abridged version of SA1 and 2 you're in for an awkward critter from another dimension falls into a rich kid's pool and they become best friends story and basically the Plot of Dragonball GT and or Starblazers stapled to the end of the show, which isn't as good as it sounds. Honestly the only thing that came out of the last Arc was a new waifu in the form of Cosmo, and even then she dies.
It's not too painful but also not good.
Satam was always just an average 90s action cartoon that just so happened to have sonic characters in it and this is coming from someone who loves archie shit and Sally. AOSTH on the other hand is kino of the highest order
Before P06? Yes, either because it was the Sonic game they grew up with (possibly being born around 99-01) or because "le hidden gem under glitches". 06 was and will always be ass, but P06 actually makes it fun, but being a fan project, Sega can't wipe their hands of the original.
However Emi would eventually become Amy and appear in many games starting with Sonic CD. The only other characters who would graduate from manga to officially appearing in a video are Karin Kanzuki and Gouken from SF.
Charmy is the actual OC to game character from the manga, Emi was always intended to be introduced to the games.
Sonic’s brand inconsistency genuinely needs to be studied >rather than just using reusing the japanese art and storyline, the west not only gets greg martin to create new art for sonic, but also creates their own canon for the games, involving sonic being de eggman’s lab assistant, who here is named ovi kintobor, and after a freak accident, sonic gets his signature blue quills and speed while dr ovi kintobor becomes the evil dr ivo robotnik >despite this new western canon existing, dic created another sonic canon in the form of satam, which names dr ivo robotnik dr julian robotnik instead, also, he’s also been evil and sonic has always had his powers and lived in the acorn kingdom with the freedom fighters, characters based on the animals sonic freed from the original game >sally was the only non game character to be in both canons and she was completely different in both, with one making her just one of the animals sonic freed and the other making her the leader of the freedom fighters and love interest to sonic, despite the fact sega had already made sonic a love interest but never told dic because at the time when satam was being made, her only appearance was in a very obscure manga that had a completely different canon from the japanese games >all that aside, dic was making an entirely different sonic show for some reason, one with once again a completely different canon and stark contrast in tone from satam >satam would also spawn a comic series by archie that would run for over 20 years before sega pulled the plug >there was also a completely different sonic comic in the uk that was based more around the western game canon
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>during the dreamcast era, sega decided to scrap the western canon entirely and make have the japanese canon be the definitive canon moving forward >rather than killing off the current archie comic or at least its canon, archie was forced to keep its canon and make giant asspulls just to make it be more like the adventure games, one of which forced them to bring in an au robotnik because they killed off their own robotnik since the writers had no games to work during the saturn era >despite this, sonic underground, a show based on classic sonic got to run without any changes needing to be made >sonic x released during this time, which while having a different canon, felt at least more similar to the games compared to the previous shows >it wasn’t until 2014 where sega would shit the bed again, making sonic boom a new branch of sonic with a completely different canon and new characters seperate from the games >the wii u game and show also feature entirely different tones >as early as three years later, sonic boom was killed off and archie was finally killed, but thanks to not doing so years prior like with the previously mentioned boom, a significant amount of fans have latched onto its world and characters >2017 also saw sega shoot themselves and make classic sonic and modern sonic different universes, just adding confusion when it finally seemed like the series was going to have a single canon >the movies eventually come out and use an entirely different canon from the games >with sonic superstars coming out soon, that means we now currently have three sonic canons
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It’s wierd comparing this to mario’s canon because the dic mario shows actually used the cast from the games instead of having to make up a cast for mario to hang around. As weird as some of supershow’s locations and designs were, it still felt like a mario show. The only real big difference in canon was also that mario and luigi had italian american accents instead of italian accents and were from brooklyn instead of the mushroom kingdom, both concepts that were reused for the movie. After the dic shows ended, mario’s canon was mainly confined to the games and they seemed pretty consistent.
Imagine if they had synergy from the start, we wouldn't have gotten stupid shit like "Princess Sally the Hedgehog", we could've gotten Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy as the main characters ala Mario.
>Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy as the main characters ala Mario.
Seems like they're forcing that dynamic now. Especially after Amy was pushed amongst Team Sonic in Frontiers, Origins and now Superstars. She's the one female for gender diversity lmao.
Waiting until the dreamcast era to have brand synergy was definitely a shitty decision, they either should have started out with the brand synergized all the way back with the first game or never should have synergized and just gone with their original plan of each country having a different sonic
For the longest time Sally was the most prominent female Sonic character in the West.
Before Adventure 1, Amy only appeared in CD( which almost no one actually played at the time, also Sega of America tried to rename her "Princess Sally" in that game's manual) and a bunch of crappy spinoffs, half of which were Japan-exclusive.
It was their first furry crush. For some people it was Gadget, for some people it was Minerva Mink. SatAM fans are SatAM fans exclusively because they want to frick Sally and to a much lesser extent Bunnie
SatAM was the best Sonic cartoon to ever come out and was a westernized version of Sonic and his story that was actually good and did a good attempt at being dark. I never understood why people circlejerk Sega Sonic when the quality is all over the place and the Japanese never knew what kind of story they wanted to tell with him. They've done >Arabian Sonic >Knights of the Roundtable Sonic >Werewolf Sonic
All good incarnations of Sonic come from the West, whether Segatards want to admit it or not.
Looney Tunes is a good fit for Classic Sonic. Remember, when Sega themselves made a cartoon, it was basically just a Looney Tunes short. To the point that TMS reused their tiny toon adventures aesthetic.
>Tangle the Lemur, Whisper the Fox, and Lanolin the Sheep now have better odds of showing up in a Sonic game and get merch than Sally Acorn
It's not fair
Scratch obviously, he actually does shit. He and Grounder also survived falling into lava, converting a rival robot into free will, and Scratch threw a 200 pound raccoon man off a cliff.
Also after suing Sega for "using his OCs", he never made any comic with said OCs and instead he accepts paid commissions for fanarts of other popular video games (ironic, right?).
at the very least he admitted it was a story he couldn't tell so he's exposing himself as a creep and also the guy who failed to actually put it in his run.
yeah that's not sex though, also to be fair Sally got a lot of weird shit from Penders like her dad constantly treating her like shit and even wanted to kill her off at the last issue at the time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't it laughably ironic Sega was the one that stopped Archie from killing off Sally in Endgame, and how badly that ended up biting them in the ass years later.
11 months ago
Anonymous
How so, also honestly wish they stepped in more so we got less Paul tier Geoffrey antics and maybe the comic could've had a proper ending either time, cause I'm being optimistic on could've been.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic and Sally's soap-opera tier relationship became too problematic for Sega's tastes, as was her role in being at the core of everything thematically.
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Anonymous
I think that's less the characters fault and more incompetent writers, plus I'm biased since I like Sonic and Sally's relationship even if the baggage is a big issue and made an enjoyable dynamic get diluted by comic writers pathetic fear of stable relationshis, plus I guess her being at the core is impossible to change since the comic was Satam based and she was one of the major leads. The comics did get better at balancing the characters and her not having all the spotlight, though funny enough she got shafted in her own miniseries thanks to Penders. But yeah won't lie early Archie really takes a bad shift that is like a tumour on the actual good merits it has.
>archie skunk is a creepy molesting jerk >fleetway skunk is some weird macro fetish deity >idw skunks are just joke villains
being a skunk in sonic is an odd fat
Nobody really cared about Antione, he was just an accessory to Bunnie. For most of the comic's life up till issue 50 he was just a pain in the ass who did nothing but frick things up for everybody while trying to make himself look better.
Mecha Madness was Antione's fault. Instead of guarding Nack's cell like he was supposed to, he was planning a fancy party all attributed to himself, and because of this Nack escaped, got out and took Sonic to Robotnik to get roboticized, which let to Knothole getting razed to the ground. Then Antione had the gall to persecute Sonic for believing he did it all out of sprite for the council disagreeing with his plan.
Correct. They were the only good members of the FF
Bunnie and Antione were based.
Why are both Antoine and Bunniegays like this? Do you people have nothing better to do than try earning the high ground and clamp down everyone on the slightest opportunity to screech out how superior is your taste?
Yes, yes, we know, your shitty forgettable oc is better than this shitty forgettable oc. Wow, such remarkable sentence.
Ignoring the fact it was such a shit story, looking at Dave Manak's goofy shitty art after two whole issues of Spaz handling entire books instead of just covers doesn't do anybody any favors.
oh, so it's some "theme park" in frickin Sydney of all places, imagine actually finding this shit and then using it to push your Sally Acorn agenda, holy shit
Sega World was an arcade chain they had in multiple countries with a few theme parks thrown into the mix. I don't think they ever had any of them in the United States though I'm not sure if that was because of previous existing licensing agreements or if it had something to do with the weird relationship between Sega of Japan and Sega of America.
oh hey your that weirdo who annoys everyone in the Sonic threads, I'd ask if you got a life yet but guess not since this cartoon character still lives rent free in your head.
Has anyone realised how much SatAM borrowed from Star Wars? I don't even mean this as an insult, but the whole Doomsday thing was pretty much a Death Star plot, and Sally is very similar to Leia as a character.
Dulcy is special needs, woulda really not been viable in all honesty, plus she woulda been shot out of the sky by the flying swat bot ships or the ones in the hover bike/bath tub looking things.
There's never been a character I fricking hated so much at first sight as I have hated Dulcy. b***h doesn't even fit the SatAM OCs generic artstyle, let alone Sonic's.
That design is godawful, Jesus. I really hate how homogenized the modern designs are in the Archie reboot/IDW comics. There's no room for any kind of uniqueness or body diversity, they all have to fit the same "mold" and I feel like it misses the point of Sonic's design philosophy.
It's especially jarring seeing Big the Cat there, because you can bet your ass the ONLY reason he remains untouched is out of legacy. Had he been a modern Archie/IDW design, he'd just be a male version of Blaze.
It gets even weirder seeing Big next to reboot Rotor. I understand that two chunky purple dudes in the same group is a bit iffy, but Rotor was one of the only characters with a unique body type while also fitting in and then he just got swapped to a generic build. And it's not like a round character is impossible when you have Thunderbolt as well.
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Anonymous
>And it's not like a round character is impossible when you have Thunderbolt as well.
And even then she's only really like that because she's an imitation of Classic Eggman. Which I'll give her design props for actually having some thought put into it, but she seems to be the exception that proves the rule.
sure thing if you want to believe that, least not the one mass replying while thinking that is supposed to make me cry or something. Actually that's kind of a cute pic, though bit weird looking as she has like Regular Show anatomy going there.
Why was Tails so fricking useless in this show?
I know the Western manuals ignored the fact that he was a genius, but even in Sonic 2 he could still run as fast as Sonic and fly planes... >they were gonna make him more competent in Season 3
Why not just make him competent from the start? Even AoStH got that part right.
Because Satam is barely even a sonic show. It could have just been its own thing, that being said im kinda glad it didnt because them later on having 00s era characters like CHADow and omega and rouge clash with 90s era cartoon characters will never not be hilarious
He was probably a list minute addition into the show. Vidya companies of the time all hate very poor communication between their studios and projects, that's why everything is so inconsistent during that era
>Tails being a genius was left out of the Western localization >AoStH got it right anyway
I wonder if that show’s staff got ahold of some of the Japanese material.
>I know the Western manuals ignored the fact that he was a genius
He was never a genius though back then. They made him one much later at Sonic Adventure.
>They only made him one in ONE spin-off: a Game Gear one.
He was also a genius on Tails sky patrol since he was the only one that was able to defeat the Witchcart crew all by himself.
a game that came out in 1995. SATAM started production 4 years prior. Archie Sonic started in 1992.
I didn't even play sonic cd or 3&k until 1996 when they came to PC. contrary to what zoomers believe, it was actually very difficult to follow all the games and media in a franchise before there was a wikipedia or a youtube. I didn't even have a complete collection of the comics, despite having read them for so long. (Gaps in my 90's collection happened due to mom not wanting to reup my subscription sometimes and not being able to afford them on back orders)
>He was never a genius though back then.
He's liked vehicles and machines since Sonic 2's Japanese manual, and also the entirety of Tails' Adventure exists. My interpretation is he realized his talents repairing and driving Sonic's plane during and after Sonic 2.
They only made him one in ONE spin-off: a Game Gear one.
In Sonic 2 he fixes the Tornado with a rocket booster attachment.
In Sonic Fighters Tails builds a rocket to space in his garage.
In OVA he hacks Metal Sonic.
Etcetera Etcetera
yeah a bit, honestly after 160 the designs genuinely got more gamelike due to the artist and writer actually caring to make them look in style so even older characters like Barby Koala looked less out of place.
Fun fact: the reason Tails is brown in the DiC cartoons is because the only color reference that DiC received from Sega was this early sprite sheet from a Sonic 2 prototype
and Mega Man is green because the TV they used to try Mega Man 1 had poorly calibrated tint.
Ironically the opposite could happen, Captain N's Mega Man looked blue on my TV due to my TV's Tint setting being poorly calibrated.
yeah a bit, honestly after 160 the designs genuinely got more gamelike due to the artist and writer actually caring to make them look in style so even older characters like Barby Koala looked less out of place.
Wasn't there an older artist from... I think the earliest run of Archie Sonic who fricking hated that and he only drew Adventure Sonic like classic Sonic with longer spikes and green eyes out of spite?
probably, I only keep track of like first few issues of archie when it was a gag strip and everything after 159 where the quality got more consistently good with only a few low points.
Yep, michael Gallagher, his take on sonic stuck closely to the tv shows at the time, but around the '00s is when his design started to stick out of place. Think it wasn't until after the adventure series dropped was when he started towing the line but he left shortly after.
Really wish I saved some pages from that time to better illustrate my point but if you look up some of the ones after issue 100(?) you'll get a better idea.
Gallagher was perfectly OK with the redesigns, having used them consistently in all the pre-Ian Off-Panels and the occasional throwback story like "Island of Misfit Badniks".
Yep, michael Gallagher, his take on sonic stuck closely to the tv shows at the time, but around the '00s is when his design started to stick out of place. Think it wasn't until after the adventure series dropped was when he started towing the line but he left shortly after.
Really wish I saved some pages from that time to better illustrate my point but if you look up some of the ones after issue 100(?) you'll get a better idea.
That was Art Mawhinney. He hated the Sega-mandated redesigns so much that he outright refused to draw Robotnik in his Eggman design, so either another artist added him in or stories just went without.
Sonic’s brand inconsistency genuinely needs to be studied >rather than just using reusing the japanese art and storyline, the west not only gets greg martin to create new art for sonic, but also creates their own canon for the games, involving sonic being de eggman’s lab assistant, who here is named ovi kintobor, and after a freak accident, sonic gets his signature blue quills and speed while dr ovi kintobor becomes the evil dr ivo robotnik >despite this new western canon existing, dic created another sonic canon in the form of satam, which names dr ivo robotnik dr julian robotnik instead, also, he’s also been evil and sonic has always had his powers and lived in the acorn kingdom with the freedom fighters, characters based on the animals sonic freed from the original game >sally was the only non game character to be in both canons and she was completely different in both, with one making her just one of the animals sonic freed and the other making her the leader of the freedom fighters and love interest to sonic, despite the fact sega had already made sonic a love interest but never told dic because at the time when satam was being made, her only appearance was in a very obscure manga that had a completely different canon from the japanese games >all that aside, dic was making an entirely different sonic show for some reason, one with once again a completely different canon and stark contrast in tone from satam >satam would also spawn a comic series by archie that would run for over 20 years before sega pulled the plug >there was also a completely different sonic comic in the uk that was based more around the western game canon
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Sega encouraged the brand inconsistency because they wanted each country to have its own version of Sonic.
And then they reneged on all of that when Adventure came out and just had every country stick to the Japanese canon.
Right, but it just makes me wonder why Sega didn't just use the Japanese canon from the beginning.
The character was literally designed to appeal to Westerners, after all.
A lack of confidence. Remember, back when Sonic first came out there wasn't a big love affair with anime like there was in the 00s. Back then if you were lucky MAYBE you could get a VHS tape of dragonball z with some piss yellow inaccurate fan subs on it if you had a Chinatown nearby.
SoJ never cared about Sonic lore, because that was autistically moronic. Only Naka cared, and is when the Jap canon was heavily enforced.
Now that he's rotting in jail after making 06 what it is, it's clear using Jap canon or any canon for a platformer IP was always cancer and should be heavily discouraged for the grater good. Only good gameplay is all Sonic needs to thrive as an IP.
My favorite part was when the west tried to change amy into sally but sega wasn't having any of that. Adventure might have sealed the deal and officially killed off the western canon outside of comics but the seeds for the downfall were already there
That was funny as well but this was a differnt instance. The western side tried really hard to pretend that Amy was Sally cause they were pushing her a lot
In Sonic Christmas Blast, they made Sally pink to match Amy's colors.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In Sonic Christmas Blast, they made Sally pink to match Amy's colors.
You've got your facts mixed up, Sally always had inconsistent colors. Even when they provided this "canonical" explaination for them, they still colorcorrected her in reprints of stories where she appeared them with them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
the point is Sally is cute no matte he pallet, though we never did get green Sally.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Really? I thought they just reused Sally's colors from the SatAM pilot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Christmas Blast came out when SatAM had already been cancelled though?
>In Sonic Christmas Blast, they made Sally pink to match Amy's colors.
You've got your facts mixed up, Sally always had inconsistent colors. Even when they provided this "canonical" explaination for them, they still colorcorrected her in reprints of stories where she appeared them with them.
Really, now?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Archie issue 0 had Sally in red with blonde hair. For the first 10 or so issues after that she was pink with black hair, then after that she had the colors she was most known for. In the "Sonic Firsts" special comic, the reprints of earlier issues recolored her to her most known colors, in addition to things like changing "Boomer" to Rotor.
In the pilot of SatAM (which was repurposed as episode 13) Sally appeared like
Really? I thought they just reused Sally's colors from the SatAM pilot.
, everywhere else she was her usual brown with red hair.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And Sally had no lines or role in that christmas special at all besides a gasp.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because Kath Soucie was too busy with Space Jam at the time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Could have just recast her like they did with Tails.
the European manual printed in a bunch of different languages including English, had basically the same exact synopsis except Amy Rose was still Amy Rose there.
Because Sally used to be pink and they thought they could get away with it appealing to satam fans. Ironically Sally appeared in the spinball game anyway
>during the dreamcast era, sega decided to scrap the western canon entirely and make have the japanese canon be the definitive canon moving forward >rather than killing off the current archie comic or at least its canon, archie was forced to keep its canon and make giant asspulls just to make it be more like the adventure games, one of which forced them to bring in an au robotnik because they killed off their own robotnik since the writers had no games to work during the saturn era >despite this, sonic underground, a show based on classic sonic got to run without any changes needing to be made >sonic x released during this time, which while having a different canon, felt at least more similar to the games compared to the previous shows >it wasn’t until 2014 where sega would shit the bed again, making sonic boom a new branch of sonic with a completely different canon and new characters seperate from the games >the wii u game and show also feature entirely different tones >as early as three years later, sonic boom was killed off and archie was finally killed, but thanks to not doing so years prior like with the previously mentioned boom, a significant amount of fans have latched onto its world and characters >2017 also saw sega shoot themselves and make classic sonic and modern sonic different universes, just adding confusion when it finally seemed like the series was going to have a single canon >the movies eventually come out and use an entirely different canon from the games >with sonic superstars coming out soon, that means we now currently have three sonic canons
Both idw and prime are technically game canon which is why I didn’t mention them. This may or not be a complication that came with them being game canon but both feel very safe and sterile compared to previous sonic shows and comics.
That and IDW can't use or foreshadow to future games unless Sega wants them to. That's why NOTHING from Frontiers has made its way into IDW (no Sage, no Ancients, no The End), where as before, like that long post mentioned, Archie had to weld their canon around whatever new game was on the block.
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Anonymous
Frankly I expect when that restriction does lift, IDW won't even cover Frontiers, they'll just allude to it having happened, since there's no real way to work the Restoration or Whispangle into it.
They're not game canon, they just based on said game canon. Similar, but not the same.
They are not canon to the games, they are canon ALIGNED. Aka, like a abridged youtube shitpost version of the game canon. The games aren't canon to prime/idw, to put it another way.
Like how AoSTH is not canon to the games, but is very clearly canon aligned unlike Satam was.
>during the dreamcast era, sega decided to scrap the western canon entirely and make have the japanese canon be the definitive canon moving forward >rather than killing off the current archie comic or at least its canon, archie was forced to keep its canon and make giant asspulls just to make it be more like the adventure games, one of which forced them to bring in an au robotnik because they killed off their own robotnik since the writers had no games to work during the saturn era >despite this, sonic underground, a show based on classic sonic got to run without any changes needing to be made >sonic x released during this time, which while having a different canon, felt at least more similar to the games compared to the previous shows >it wasn’t until 2014 where sega would shit the bed again, making sonic boom a new branch of sonic with a completely different canon and new characters seperate from the games >the wii u game and show also feature entirely different tones >as early as three years later, sonic boom was killed off and archie was finally killed, but thanks to not doing so years prior like with the previously mentioned boom, a significant amount of fans have latched onto its world and characters >2017 also saw sega shoot themselves and make classic sonic and modern sonic different universes, just adding confusion when it finally seemed like the series was going to have a single canon >the movies eventually come out and use an entirely different canon from the games >with sonic superstars coming out soon, that means we now currently have three sonic canons
It’s wierd comparing this to mario’s canon because the dic mario shows actually used the cast from the games instead of having to make up a cast for mario to hang around. As weird as some of supershow’s locations and designs were, it still felt like a mario show. The only real big difference in canon was also that mario and luigi had italian american accents instead of italian accents and were from brooklyn instead of the mushroom kingdom, both concepts that were reused for the movie. After the dic shows ended, mario’s canon was mainly confined to the games and they seemed pretty consistent.
They still did weird stuff like combining Bowser and Wart into a single character, and changing the koopalings' names.
But one odd thing is that all the 3 shows have some degree of continuity among them, unlike the Sonic shows.
>They still did weird stuff like combining Bowser and Wart into a single character
At the time of the Super Show, there were only two games to go from (SMB 1 and 2), both with radically different gameplay styles, enemies, etc. And since two evil reptile kings would have been confusing, they just mixed the two together. >and changing the koopalings' names.
They probably changed them to avoid copyright suits, as they were all named after famous musicians (Morton Koopa Jr. and Ludwig von Koopa were named after Morton Downey Jr. and Ludwig von Beethoven, respectively. In the show, they became Bigmouth Koopa Jr. and Kooky von Koopa). >But one odd thing is that all the 3 shows have some degree of continuity among them, unlike the Sonic shows.
AoStH was originally supposed to be set before SatAM, but that idea was dropped.
IKR imagine Robotnik going from a Looney Tunes villain to Robo-Hitler
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Sonic just mind broke him that badly with his antics, it woulda been jarring but also funny to think he caused him to go up a villain tier out of sheer hate.
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Anonymous
Ironically, aosth robotnik has a more effective method of roboticization than satam robotnik with aosth’s just being a ray gun
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I thought AOSTH robot creation was just shoving a bunch of junk into a machine
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That's the funny thing, AOSTH Robot I'm is actually a fairly effective and deadly villain able to destroy cities and steamroll most opposition, it's just Sonic utterly makes him look pathetic with how he used the Bugs Bunny force against him.
11 months ago
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He literally has half the planet conquered already with sub-bosses working under him, Sonic and Tails travel around the planet breaking down his operations one by one.
I thought AOSTH robot creation was just shoving a bunch of junk into a machine
The robot transmogrifier gun was introduced towards the end of the series, instantly roboticizes whatever it shoots.
>They still did weird stuff like combining Bowser and Wart into a single character
At the time of the Super Show, there were only two games to go from (SMB 1 and 2), both with radically different gameplay styles, enemies, etc. And since two evil reptile kings would have been confusing, they just mixed the two together. >and changing the koopalings' names.
They probably changed them to avoid copyright suits, as they were all named after famous musicians (Morton Koopa Jr. and Ludwig von Koopa were named after Morton Downey Jr. and Ludwig von Beethoven, respectively. In the show, they became Bigmouth Koopa Jr. and Kooky von Koopa). >But one odd thing is that all the 3 shows have some degree of continuity among them, unlike the Sonic shows.
AoStH was originally supposed to be set before SatAM, but that idea was dropped.
I see you're younger than me. I'll answer the Koopalings bit, with no irony. The Koopalings were unnamed in Japan, they were just "Demon King Koopa's Generals", and the cartoon predated the US release of the game by a couple of months, and DiC had no names to go with, so they made up their own.
>all that aside, dic was making an entirely different sonic show for some reason
SatAM was supposed to be the only Sonic series, but DiC wanted it to air in syndication, which ABC did not like. ABC would only agree to pick up SatAM, provided they make a new separate Sonic series tailored for syndication(AoStH). This new series was conceived as a prequel to SatAM, but ABC did not want SatAM to have any connections to the syndicated series, so they made it darker and edgier than what pitched. Interestingly, Sonic Christmas Blast is actually closer to SatAM's initial pitch, in terms of tone.
>during the dreamcast era, sega decided to scrap the western canon entirely and make have the japanese canon be the definitive canon moving forward >rather than killing off the current archie comic or at least its canon, archie was forced to keep its canon and make giant asspulls just to make it be more like the adventure games, one of which forced them to bring in an au robotnik because they killed off their own robotnik since the writers had no games to work during the saturn era >despite this, sonic underground, a show based on classic sonic got to run without any changes needing to be made >sonic x released during this time, which while having a different canon, felt at least more similar to the games compared to the previous shows >it wasn’t until 2014 where sega would shit the bed again, making sonic boom a new branch of sonic with a completely different canon and new characters seperate from the games >the wii u game and show also feature entirely different tones >as early as three years later, sonic boom was killed off and archie was finally killed, but thanks to not doing so years prior like with the previously mentioned boom, a significant amount of fans have latched onto its world and characters >2017 also saw sega shoot themselves and make classic sonic and modern sonic different universes, just adding confusion when it finally seemed like the series was going to have a single canon >the movies eventually come out and use an entirely different canon from the games >with sonic superstars coming out soon, that means we now currently have three sonic canons
It's the consequence of being a purely corporate franchise. There's no singular vision to focus on, there's no author to really fall back to because he was born by commitee. Sonic is a marketing tool first and foremost, made to be "cool" to whatever market he's trying to appeal to, rather than being his own character.
But that falls apart because the definition of "cool" changes constantly, so Sonic himself either has to chase the current definition of "cool" or he just gets left in the dust. In the end, we're left with an irreparably damaged franchise with countless different iterations, with said iterations having their own fanbases and NONE of them get along well because they believe THEIR version is the true Sonic. It's a fricking mess, top to bottom.
>Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy as the main characters ala Mario.
Seems like they're forcing that dynamic now. Especially after Amy was pushed amongst Team Sonic in Frontiers, Origins and now Superstars. She's the one female for gender diversity lmao.
How do you guys retain such hatred for a character that hasn’t appeared in anything major for thirty years and hasn’t appeared officially at all for ten?
I guess the same way people like me have such a strong passion, enjoyment and just a hint of lust for the character I guess? It is a bit weird to be that angry at her when she hasn't been allowed any use for so long, sadly she's now just a relic of time where Sonic could get a lot more off course for better or worse.
I love Star Wars, and I like Leia. But all princesses being feisty is kinda cringe bro. They also pulled this in the old Canadian Mario cartoons, and I didn't like it.
That doesn't change the fact that they literally only have money for one year at best
You think fricking comic publishing companies get funded like that?
>You think fricking comic publishing companies get funded like that?
Yes, they do. Why do you think they shove globohomosexual politics at their comics?
>Why do you think they shove globohomosexual politics at their comics?
Because they're usually located in the East Coast?
Also, if they have ESG money wouldn't they NOT be dying?
>Also, if they have ESG money wouldn't they NOT be dying?
They're not though? They're still around.
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Anon
They delisted from the stock market because they had it below a dollar for months, they laid off several people, they straight up said they only have enough money for about a year
IDW is dying
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Anonymous
IDW's been "dying" since 2017.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And do you fricking think they've gotten better since 2017
homie, they've just became worse and worse and worse
Rome didn't collapse in a day
You don't die immediately once you get a fatal disease
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Anonymous
>they laid off several people
So do many other companies with ESG score but they're still alive
Sonic fans have been buying the Sonic comics for a long time though. At least when they were published by Archie Comics. By the way how did Archie Comics lost the rights for Sonic comics?
They didn't lose the Sonic IP, they choose not to renew the license because they were shifting their focus towards reinventing their own IP into shit like Riverdale.
Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth.
Also, yes they are.
11 months ago
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>Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth
Here's another thing: how the hell did Penders won the lawsuit for characters he made for a comic that doesn't even belongs to him?
11 months ago
Anonymous
they lost his contract
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because Archie's lawyers (prior to getting fired) were pants on head moronic to the point where the judge pointed out how they "blew it" with Archie's new lawyers. They could've used their contract with Sega that stipulates whatever they publish is derivative and owned by Sega. Considering how Pender's ideas and characters can't exist without Knuckles or Sonic as a whole, I'd say that probably would've been good to point out.
11 months ago
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>Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth.
it's wasn't because of that reason the real reason was that the tv series was getting a lot more profit than the comic itself that why they did not renew it.
Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth.
Also, yes they are.
They were almost dead because World's Unite's excessive licensing made them bleed money when the comic didn't recoup sales
Mega Man was also floundering as a whole so they said frick it and amputated licensed comics period and banked it all on Riverdale
And honestly?
It fricking worked, ditching licenseshit paid off well for Archie
11 months ago
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>And honestly? It fricking worked, ditching licenseshit paid off well for Archie.
It did? Cuz I doubt anyone buys crap like Riverdale.
11 months ago
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Dude it lasted 7 seasons
It's a trainwreck sure but it was a massive success for them
Anon, how the frick does a series that can accrue tens of thousands of views of fandubs and have a twitter dedicated to news about it have almost 40k followers yet the comic itself can only push around 10k at best according to Comichron?
IDW fans don't buy the comic and even then IDW itself tried to expand too fast and too much and when it didn't pan out they were turbofricked
>Like what?
why i am going to spend time discussing with you when its clear it was a generic western setting on those times
is not hate but that she was done because of 2 things >generic princess girl with a generic western setting. Toys/Games on those times had a TV show together with it to sell product >sonic worldbuilding was still new so you could just made a generic product slap sonic on it and called it a day
And how is that "anti-Sonic" again? Sonic was literally made to sell to the American audience, which is why Sega of Japan gave so much control to Sega of America over Sonic's development (which is why Sega of Japan's developers hated Sega of America).
Wow! One scene only! Meanwhile the rest of the pilot is exactly like the final show: a Looney Tunes wanabee.
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Anonymous
>wow! [COPE]
yeah we are done here. i accept your concession
11 months ago
Anonymous
Next thing you ll tell me that Sonic live action movies were exactly like the games because of one scene with Mega Drive Sonic ringtone.
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Anonymous
AOSTH wasn't anything at all just a complete off the wall shitpost that no one takes seriously which is why the fans and haters aren't as mentally ill as satam
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Maybe but still a shitty product even for American children shows standards with its fan having nostalgia goggles about it because of the Sonic brand, being a memes material and Robotnic's great voice acting that gave personality to the character of an otherwise shitty show.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Show was good. Zoomers can't appreciate anything that doesn't have 10 pages of lore per episode.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i cant imagine disliking AOSTH as its looney tunes featuring sonic characters. even the shittiest episodes have something to offer in entertainment value. that and SATAM exists for loregays.
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>i cant imagine disliking AOSTH as its looney tunes featuring sonic characters
I can when it's a bad Looney Tunes wanabee with it turning Dr Robotnic and his minions into morons while he is supposed to be a genius scientist.
11 months ago
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anon you've got to be actually autistic to despise the series on such a fundamental level >wanabee
kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
And defending a crappy show like that isnt autistic? Talking about lack of self awareness, boy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>"I HATE WHEN THINGS ARENT LORE ACCURATE" goes back to reading wikipedia entries on obscure sonic characters while jacking off
And defending a crappy show like that isnt autistic? Talking about lack of self awareness, boy.
normal people liked it and sonic boom. you're just a fricking spastic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I forget, when was the lat time any fricking thing Eggman built fricking beat Sonic canonically in game? Oh that's right NONE OF THEM. He's a fricking joke, he's not a real threat and never was, that's why the 2000s games added DBZ gods all the damn time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I grew up with the show, moron. And I was never fan of Satam (besides Satam was never aired in my country). Also I tried watching Aosth few years ago twice but quickly dropped it because it made me cringe so hard.
The only sonic animations that are actually like the games are the OVA and Prime.
11 months ago
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How is Prime like the games?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Prime >Making Rouge the Bat less sexualized
"Like the games" my ass
11 months ago
Anonymous
Post the last time Rouge looked as curvy as she did in SA2. I'll wait.
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Anonymous
she's still plenty curvy and sexualized in everything after SA2. she didn't have an asscrack in sa2 but you look at her generations model and you can see it clear as day.
Remind yourself who's holding the leash here. Sega of Japan are soulless Japanese suits that hate anything that isn't a one to one DBZ reference. That's not exactly an environment that promotes creativity.
My point there is precisely that I want the ones holding the leash to be less moronic than they are right now.
Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between "Sonic isn't allowed to lose" and "I'll shove my OCs into this franchise and do the worst romance plots possible"
Other way around dipshit
Publishers approach the IP holders
SEGA doesn't care about the comics
They have ZERO reasons to care because they don't earn profit from their sales
They earn money from the publisher renewing a license to use the IP
You can criticize the character and all the over blown narrative focus all you want but saying she’s a mary sue is flat-out wrong.
It’s like criticizing Kim Jong Un for being a capitalist. You don’t understand what a mary sue is if you think Sally is one.
Shadow is a popular character though, which is why they push him so hard and even gave him his own game while no other Sonic character got their own 3D Sonic game.
Who thought it was a good idea to cover Sally with more clothes? And why are male characters allowed to be naked (except shoes and gloves) while female characters have to be fully dressed? They dont even allow pantyshots anymore at Sonic shows and games.
Honestly, I've always thought that the more clothes you put on a female character, the more sexual she looks. Sally and Fifi are good examples of this.
Why is Sonic as in non Sonic fans ask this question when it isn't a question asked for any other fictional furry rat in any other cartoon show that has clothes on?
>How does society in the sonic universe work?
Explained in a Tails Tube. Sonic and his kind (still no overall name for them since they never used Mobians in the games) live on islands, while humans live on the mainlands (which we see in Unleashed) >Do they have jobs and elected leaders?
Yes, there is a President as seen in A2 and StH >Why does Robotnik hate these animals so fiercely?
No reason given, dude just wants to take over the world and his Badniks are powered by small animals.
The more i read in this thread, more i realized she's basically like the Krystal of Sonic in the way she was introduced and how most of the people feel about her
Krystal was in video games though, unlike Sally, and she was more useful than her. Such a shame she's playable only for the game's intro at Star Fox Adventure, unlike Dinosaur Planet where she had a much more active role. Still I find it weird (still welcome) that they made her much more sexualized at Star Fox reskin (her design and dressing at Dinosaur Planet was much more moderate).
sally was useful in all sorts of episodes and comics. she even has a super form in the last episode of SATAM!
what does being in videogames matter?
The more i read in this thread, more i realized she's basically like the Krystal of Sonic in the way she was introduced and how most of the people feel about her
that's mostly just zoomers. most people were introduced to sally at the same time as sonic, tails, and robotnik, because the cartoon was the onboarding point for ALOT of kids in the 90's.
>owns all of his recolor donuts >including the most popular edgy sonic AND a variant of Sally >that variant could legally be retooled into better resembling Sally and Sega would do nothing because at this point they're embarassed of 90's Sonic media >this despite all the profits it could net them
at this point my only real gripe with penders is that he does nothing with any of the characters he owns. from a purely business perspective he could bankroll his gay echidna new gods series through scourge and sally autists alone and somehow this much hasnt dawned on him. really, it makes me wish I had the business panache to sell him on the idea.
>at this point my only real gripe with penders is that he does nothing with any of the characters he owns.
Because he CAN'T. Those characters are so intrinsically tied to Sonic that they're impossible to work with unless he resets everything about them from scratch, which misses the novelty of these characters to begin with. Plus seeing as he's been caught lying about the results of the court case it's questionable if he even has the rights to those characters at all. He could very well just be lying to people for attention.
>Those characters are so intrinsically tied to Sonic that they're impossible to work with unless he resets everything about them from scratch, which misses the novelty of these characters to begin with
That isnt entirely true. If Penders did win (and I want to believe that he did) he owns both the Anti-Mobius and Light Mobius continuities. Sure he cant reference things like chaos emeralds or zones explicitly but he can come up with new legally distinct terms and concepts based on them. There's also the fact that Sega has abandoned the entire "planet mobius" origin and setting since the super genesis wave because of the copyright clusterfrick it resulted in. On two fronts enough creative ground has been ceded to Penders that he could make alot of use of (if he actually owns these things). Looking over his echidna concept art shows that he's not ignorant to alot of these practices either considering Light Knuckles (now renamed K'nox) makes several appearances. What Im getting at is that he doesnt have to reset anything about them beyond potentially renaming and redesigning them to avoid brand confusion between his work and official sonic stuff proper. He won his stories over along with his characters, he just has to stick to those stories to make use of them.
The archie canon had the genesis wave remove any shred of his influence over the series. Penders can chose to either introduce something similar in his stories or just avoid acknowledging the copyright split outright. It even seems like that cancelled Scourge book was aiming to go for the latter. In the past Ive even come up with my own ideas for what to do with some of these characters. Even with the potential limitations considered I still think theres alot that could be done. Again that's if he actually did win.
Also, looking over the characters he supposedly won, there's three or four different contenders for Sally expies.
What the frick is with Sonic Zoomers and being obsessed with "accurate to the original intent" shit with everything? Mega Man fans don't fricking blow a gasket over spinoffs or even retcons. Imagine saying you liked Mega Man and sleeping on Battle Network Kino because it didn't have Robot Masters in it.
it wasn't accurate to the original megaman games. Y'know what else wasn't accurate to anything? Mega Man Fully Charged. You know what Mega Man fans still like? Fully Charged. They like the Ruby Spears show, too. It's just SONIC fans that are fricking morons.
Show was fun. sonic fans are just entitled autists who don't know how to be normal.
Didn't the creator of Aki's black sister went once to mmg to talk about the show and she was kicked out rather insultingly because it wasn't their beloved dicky Roll?
>Battle Network anime was accurate to the games though
HA >Megaman and Lan aren't brothers >Iceman was given to Froid's son because the showrunners wanted another male in Lan's friend group >Sean is never seen in the anime, Gospel was lead by a dude named Kid Grave, who in turn was just a robot built by Wily >Bass was changed from one of the first Solo Navis created to being built from the leftover data of PharaohMan (and PharaohMan never played a role in the games, only appearing in the post game of 1 and 2) >Anetta was an eco terrorist in the games who used PlantMan, was changed to some poor sick girl who falsely believed her (made for the anime) navi Silk was deleted by ProtoMan >Dr, Regal dies in the anime, where as in the games his memory gets wiped so he can start from scratch >EVERY operator and navi introduced in BN6 lives in a separate dimension (called Beyondard) from every character introduced in BN1 to 5.
Despite all the changes it was still fun, but never accurate.
>Mega Man fans don't fricking blow a gasket over spinoffs or even retcons.
Bullshit, there are absolutely fans like that. Battle Network works because it's purposely divorced from the original as a new timeline (even within it's own subsection the manga, anime, and games have their own continuities but are still similar enough for people to not care), meanwhile it took Sega time to get their shit together and actually set things straight. For fricks sake, we have delusional people who thought that the DiC CARTOONS would take precedent for the games with characters and concepts that were not introduced and never going to be in. Can't blame them either considering the shilling that went into the western canon before being unceremoniously dropped. That's the real issue with the western/eastern continuities. How is it that the Mario and Zelda cartoons escaped this shit? Most likely because even with all the differences, they used characters that were always in the games, Bowser being a cross between himself and the Super Mario Land boss and the fairy that likes Link are still sort of faithful even then.
The megaman fanbase is nothing like the schizo fricking sonic fanbase.
chili dogs were introduced in the cartoons first and later brought into the games. we also saw nods to AOSTH and such with musical cues in the sonic mania adventures shorts. that stuff ABSOLUTELY happens in sonic. Sticks was made for sonic boom and yet SHE somehow gets a shout out in frontiers and gets to show up in the sonic channel manga and olympics games. that show didn't even PRETEND to be canon and yet you have ian flynn going "lmao sticks lmao" at the ass end of that game.
"It's ok for MMBN because it's a separate timeline, but FRICK the 90's Cartoons even though they were separate timelines!!!" real nice consistency there, brainiac.
Admit that you JUST have schizo hate boners for old sonic comics because you're insecure and saw them as rivals to the sonic comics YOU read.
>but FRICK the 90's Cartoons even though they were separate timelines!!!
Are you implying that people have a problem with the 90s MegaMan cartoons? Because they REALLY don't, if anything they're fondly remembered for being so damn cheesy you'd think they were made in Wisconsin.
Plus it's not like those cartoons were rife with OCs and plot points thay directly conflict with the games, unlike the DiC cartoons.
But at least that's understandable, seeing how they're part of a bigger issue that ultimately caused an absurd amount of damage to Sonic as a franchise. Nothing Mega Man's done is even close to as fanbase splitting as AoSTH/SatAM/Archie.
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the only reason there's a "fanbase split" is because zoomers are toxic, antagonistic buttholes. noboy form the 90's or 00's is like this. most older people are fine with any sonic shit. it's all your fricking generation that grew up wrong.
Nowhere did I say I hated the 90's cartoons, ultimately what I'm getting at is that having separate canons was moronic because they just dropped it anyway. Just imagine if SoJ and SoA actually coordinated with each other.
>Insignificant shit like characters liking food that came from somewhere else
You don't seem to understand my point. We never see this shit about old cartoons like Megaman, Mario, and Zelda unlike with the Sega cartoons/western canon where people were actually lead to think it would be THE main continuity. I've only ever seen this with Sega. With MMBN, it was a spinoff plain and simple. Nobody thought they just erased the old games for a new continuity or something. I'm pretty sure Sonic Team had a hand in creating Sticks and have a bias towards her, even then the only thing we've recently had from her is just a name mention in the English script. I think she'll appear again but who knows when. >Admit that you JUST have schizo hate boners for old sonic comics because you're insecure and saw them as rivals to the sonic comics YOU read.
lol, nobody was talking about the quality of the comics, I don't give a shit about your comic wars. I'm talking about the old discourse between the western/eastern continuities smartass.
there were literally two cartoons at the same time. those two shows don't even fit together. you're inventing this shit out of thin air. "canon" wasn't even that popular of a notion back then. most shows were just episodic and you weren't expected to watch every episode. it was NOVEL that SATAM's season 2 tried to have an overaching plot because that didn't HAPPEN in cartoons. No one thinks that sonic cartoons erase games from "continuity". You're a full on moron. you obviously weren't there, you're just some idiot fricking kid.
And no, sonic team didn't design sticks. big red button did.
there's no fricking "western continuity" you fricking moron. they're all spinoffs. literally no difference to what sonic does and what megaman does. you're just a moron.
>there were literally two cartoons at the same time. those two shows don't even fit together. you're inventing this shit out of thin air. "canon" wasn't even that popular of a notion back then. most shows were just episodic and you weren't expected to watch every episode. it was NOVEL that SATAM's season 2 tried to have an overaching plot because that didn't HAPPEN in cartoons.
Okay? What was the point of this? >No one thinks that sonic cartoons erase games from "continuity".
That point was for MMBN, I was saying nobody thought they just made up a whole new continuity for the Megaman series. Using MMBN doesn't work here anyway because it's different from what I'm trying to say here.
"Western canon" as in whatever SoA had made up themselves before abandoning it for the sake of cohesion. Things like Eggman being called Robotnik until they merged it or Mobius being the official name of the planet or whatever. There was a point where stuff from this old canon was promoted/used until they stopped. There are still people who think we should've stuck to this and introduce characters from a cartoon that yes, were only meant for spin off cartoons and nothing else. >Sticks
Some concepts show that the Sonic Channel artist helped with her design.
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Anonymous
there wasn't "an old canon". every show was its own canon you fricking invalid. there are people that think eating shit is a good idea. why should i care what every fricking person thinks? Why should anyone care about your fricking straw man arguments? You can't even speak accurately about anything. Mega Man isn't even his Japanese Name. Sonic Zoomers are just pedantic little morons who are addicted to fighting on the internet.
You can't remember what's being said across more than 2 posts. It was to explain to you how ONLY sonic fans act like this big of morons. You tried to rationalize the other examples away but you barely fricking know anything about them so you can't. it sounds like you barely know jack shit about anything from before you were born.
SatAM was just a crappier The Raccoons with Sonic characters in it, just as AoStH was a crappier Looney Tunes with Sonic characters in it.
the raccoons is about a post apocalypse nazi-toned empire with themes of tech vs nature?
You just have automatic opinions. It really just sounds like you haven't watched the shows, you just watched a youtuber talk about them.
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Anonymous
>the raccoons is about a post apocalypse nazi-toned empire with themes of tech vs nature?
Pretty much, just less Nazi and more generic evil industrialist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
oh, so nothing alike then?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I can see you're too far up your own ass here to understand.
tracking the conversation is more than just copy and pasting post codes. i can click up a reply chain. actually reading and keeping the information coherent is different.
>Anon says Sally is shit >Says he didn't read the comics >Anon says he did read them and reiterates she is shit >E-celeb shit out of nowhere >Then Mina I get it now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
non response, no point. typical.
I really don't understand the "i hate a sonic character" shit. they're not fricking real, they're not canon. you can do whatever you want with them. no one gives a frick. draw a girl from every sonic continuity in a big naked pile making out and shit.
>imagine caring as much as these Black folk do about which character the blue cartoon hedgehog kisses and then fighting people over your "ships". absolute trannies and women.
>that show didn't even PRETEND to be canon and yet you have ian flynn going "lmao sticks lmao" at the ass end of that game.
Thank you. I regret ever shilling him over Pontraff. At least Pontraff is shit and is shit because they don't give a shit, I rather have storygays seethe endlessly over having this one sperg I thought was just going to replace them as writers/localizers and nothing else, not actually dictate the fricking direction of Sonic itself. This "EVERYTHING IS CANON SO ADVENTUREgayS FRICKING WINNNN!!!" shit is the worse thing to happen to this IP. Having Sonic move forward like the Japs originally wanted and is now forced to pander to nostalgia forever is the death null for this IP without question.
Technically those aren't robot masters because the entire point of the EXE/Battle Network continuity is that Doctor Light got into making apps instead of robots. So there are no robots at all.
those are NET NAVIS, not ROBOT MASTERS. you fricking IDIOT.
Nowhere did I say I hated the 90's cartoons, ultimately what I'm getting at is that having separate canons was moronic because they just dropped it anyway. Just imagine if SoJ and SoA actually coordinated with each other.
they do and they did. sonic isn't such a precious fricking story that "continuity" matters. it has so many fricking spinoffs in america AND japan. this is an invented problem that doesn't actually exist.
Technically those aren't robot masters because the entire point of the EXE/Battle Network continuity is that Doctor Light got into making apps instead of robots. So there are no robots at all.
>Uhm.. ACHTUALLY!
this is pathetic dude. Is still the same story but twisted in a way.
The 90s sonic shit only had sonic in name.
sonic and tails fought robots to save animals from dr robotnik. what exactly was different?
Is it that you actually don't know jack fricking shit about anything other than sonic and are just bullshitting and lying your fricking ass off to eek out a w online?
>it has sonic there it means its sonic!!
Lol lmao even. Keep defending backpack sonic
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Anonymous
Battle Network is an AU and that's fine. >The 90s sonic shit only had sonic in name.
Oh I agree with you there. Sally was going to be human and Robotnic a wizard. It was really obviously a different show that had Sonic attached onto it and anyone that says otherwise is coping.
Lan has a backback in MMBN. oh wait you don't know anything about megaman. you just have one brain cell arguments.
That concept art was just some shit that was tossed around. the shows that they actually made still have alot of sonic DNA to them. Sonic Boom had just as unhinged and wild concept designs. that's just how concept phases go. you throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. it's not like they made an entire other show first. you don't understand what CONCEPT art is. you're dumb as fricking hell.
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Anonymous
>Lan has a backback in MMBN.
What does that have to do with it being an AU?
11 months ago
Anonymous
do you even know who Lan is? You were just saying that it was the same basic thing. (Or are you gonna pull the "it was some other anon not me" card next?
>no dude the BN dude has a backpack! Ahaha
What are you rambling about schizo. My problem is that they were ashamed of using stuff from the game. Never that was a different tone!/ AU. Satam is the most generic fantasy shit setting ever. Aosth just looney tunes butblster on they try to use stuff from the games. Never watched underground but i know knux was there
they weren't ashamed of using stuff from the games. they used alot of stuff from the games. they even used the sonic theme song in AoStH in spots.
You didn't watch it, you're just talking out of your ass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>do you even know who Lan is?
Lan Hikari, grandson of Tadashi Hikari, brother to Hub Hikari, aka Megaman.Exe. And yes anon, not everyone that disagrees with you is one person. More than one person can think SatAM missed the mark.
Honestly I don't even know why you guys brought up Megaman.Exe at all. I just saw it mentioned and wanted to chime in because I love those games. (The dub of the anime sucks though. Tons of unecessary name changes.)
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no dude the BN dude has a backpack! Ahaha
What are you rambling about schizo. My problem is that they were ashamed of using stuff from the game. Never that was a different tone!/ AU. Satam is the most generic fantasy shit setting ever. Aosth just looney tunes butblster on they try to use stuff from the games. Never watched underground but i know knux was there
it's not the same story at all. protoman isn't megaman's brother, roll isn't his sister, gutsman isn't evil, the net navis hack dishwashers and traffic lights instead of blowing up buildings. you seriously don't know anything about megaman lmao.
Even megaman x is almost nothing like the classic series. you're such a fricking tard.
Battle Network is an AU and that's fine. >The 90s sonic shit only had sonic in name.
Oh I agree with you there. Sally was going to be human and Robotnic a wizard. It was really obviously a different show that had Sonic attached onto it and anyone that says otherwise is coping.
Anon, as a Mega Man fan in his mid-30s, the backlash against Legends and Battle Network was unreal. Even official publications like Nintendo's mexican official Magazine Club Nintendo shat on Mega Man 64, not due to any technical fault, but due to it "not being Mega Man", no stage select, no weapon stealing from bosses (instead you had to have Roll build them from you). Legends failed hard to find an audience.
People then fricking DESPISED BN, but Capcom didn't listen because it tested well and lo, had Capcom not fricked up by releasing BN4 the same year they released BN3 BLACK in Japan, with all the obvious cut corners to shit a sequel out, BN would still be ongoing. It was popular enough in Japan in it's heyday to actually be a threat to Pokémon domestically, a subject often discussed in the Japanese imageboard 5ch.
ZX tanked because people fricking hated the concept, people actually took X and Zero to an autistic degree, so seeing Vent and Aile, people felt outright "insulted", that "something as legendary as X and Zero's armors shouldn't be worn by randos, I'll wait for Zero 5 instead, Zero dies every thursday anyway". Star Force was hated as well, but ZX I wager had it worse, SF at least had 3 games.
When MM9 came out, it was a success that performed above expectations, and the general consessus online was "finally, true fricking Mega Man, no EXE bullshit, no Powered Up kiddie shit, no charge shot game breaker to diminish Special Weapons". As much as people like to pretend MM9 and 10 were failures, the reality is different.
I say this as someone who loves all Mega Man subseries equally, I witnessed all flavors of autism since 1999 online.
The backlash was global, the magazine I only bring up as my go-to show even then-legit official media hated it. And it gets worse with the hateboner they had for BN, while sucking MMZ (and MMZ games are incredible, but their praise was super shallow, it was "it's a sidescroller so it's good", without any actual technical points on the combat system)
>When MM9 came out, it was a success that performed above expectations
Because it was literally made to rip off MM2 (the game that is worshiped like a god by the fanbase) in every way possible.
And unfortunately, it paid off. The only reason 11 wasn't made right after 10 was due to Inti being morons and burning a bridge with Capcom. MM10 was supposed to have online co-op and Inti failed to deliver. the exact same reason why Dragon Marked For Death languished 2 whole handheld generations.
never heard of that. sounds fake and gay.
It was discussed a couple of weeks back in /mmg/ in a sort of "lmao b***h deserves it for taking away our perfect dicky" mocking way.
>And yet, MMBN Legacy Collection is the highest selling megaman product of all time. WEIRD.
I forgot to add to this, this happened to the team being actually confident about BN, they focus-tested the SHIT out of it after the team's passion project (that being Legends) failed to grab an audience. Even if older fans felt alienated, they believed in the project and it paid. It paid big time. So much to the Japanese, quote, "Rockman X was a 90s fad, Rockman an 80s fad and ZERO never mattered. EXE was when Rockman became relevant". For better or worse. You don't get 4 full animes, 2 miniseries, 2 manga runs and a movie "just because", but the western fandom in places like Planet Mega Man there was a large clique that loved to shit on "BN kiddies" while The Undersquare basically was the retaliation of "frick NES nostalgiagays, the future is now oldfricks".
It was autistic, and yet I'm nostalgic for it.
Regardless! BNLC succeeding isn't a shock, it was the first franchise to pose a threat domestically to Pokémon ,the issue was Capcom got overly greedy and shot themselves in the foot thinking they could get away exploiting EXE the same way Toei do with Super Sentai and Kamen Rider, BN4 suffered horribly for it.
>When MM9 came out, it was a success that performed above expectations
Because it was literally made to rip off MM2 (the game that is worshiped like a god by the fanbase) in every way possible.
they don't respect the source materiel. the zelda cartoon was WAY off from the source materiel. the difference is that 90% of people don't fricking care about that kind of shit. they just want to enjoy what's in front of them.
how are the sonic cartoons not similar twists? they take the same basic concepts and add a spin on them. take the fricking L and leave the thread, moron.
There were also robots like scratch, grounder, coconuts, and buzzbombers. There were even chaos emeralds and power rings! They had just as much in common with the games and did as much of their own thing as the OVA did.
Oh right, you didn't actually watch it. You just copied your arguments from someone fricking else, didn't you?
>There were also robots like scratch, grounder, coconuts, and buzzbombers.
That's a different show. SatAM just has generic SWAT Bots, which is a major oversight and step down IMO.
Coconuts is fricking unhinged. I miss that bastard.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's interesting to see the effect that AoStH had one the franchise because the popularity of Scratch and Grounder was so great that eventually it made its way back to Sega and they said "okay let's just give Eggman two bungling sidekicks from now on"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Funny monke
11 months ago
Anonymous
Coconuts is underrated, Grounder gets woobied and Scratch has weird gay furry fans, where’s the love for Coconerd?
Listen I think SatAM is shit but to be fair to it all they had was the first game to work from. Tails is an afterthought because Sonic 2 wasn't even really out yet when the show was being made. Super Sonic wasn't a thing yet, Knuckles didn't exist.
If we're being EXTREMELY charitable all they had to work with was Sonic and Eggman and MAYBE Amy/Metal Sonic but even then I'd have to check the dates to see if CD was out in time to have an impact.
SatAM is dumb made up unrelated bullshit because they had to fill in a LOT of gaps. I don't think they did a good job of doing it, but I understand why they had to do it.
>If someone said "Omega is never coming back" you'd probably go into a hissy fit about team dark canon or some gay shit that nobody cares about.
Probably not. Omega fans aren't driven by their boners. Sally fans are.
>have you even read them?
I was on the ride when it started. I was there for the break up, I was there for end game, I was there for that weird issue when half the pages were blank with text bubbles. I was there for Jack Kirby reborn as a furry.
Sally sucked in the comics. You can cry and write fanfics all you want, it's never going to happen.
is anyone else having a hearty kek at the very premise of this argument? we're watching robot autists have at it against funny animal autists. two of the most potent strains of autism duking it out like siths and jedi. top fricking kek
It feels more like falseflaggers bringing up Mega Man as "the chads" to cause in-fighting due to both sides having shared history in the Worlds Unite storylines.
i brought up a ton of other franchises with the "other franchises don't freak out at having alternate canons and spinoffs", but the other guy only responded to megaman because he doesn't have culture.
>have you even read them?
I was on the ride when it started. I was there for the break up, I was there for end game, I was there for that weird issue when half the pages were blank with text bubbles. I was there for Jack Kirby reborn as a furry.
Sally sucked in the comics. You can cry and write fanfics all you want, it's never going to happen.
sounds like you just quoted alot of commonly talked about moments from youtubers.
She was a shit character in the comics and is never coming back. Sonic is better off without her existing.
got here
have you even read them? (no you haven't lmao)
Nobody's ever coming back until fricking ian flynn throws them in a fricking idw comic or in a throwaway line in sonic frontiers.
If someone said "Omega is never coming back" you'd probably go into a hissy fit about team dark canon or some gay shit that nobody cares about.
then
>have you even read them?
I was on the ride when it started. I was there for the break up, I was there for end game, I was there for that weird issue when half the pages were blank with text bubbles. I was there for Jack Kirby reborn as a furry.
Sally sucked in the comics. You can cry and write fanfics all you want, it's never going to happen.
followed by
i brought up a ton of other franchises with the "other franchises don't freak out at having alternate canons and spinoffs", but the other guy only responded to megaman because he doesn't have culture.
[...]
sounds like you just quoted alot of commonly talked about moments from youtubers.
finally
>sounds like you just quoted alot of commonly talked about moments from youtubers.
Sure whatever you say newbie.
Sally is dead and she's never coming back.
Can you even read?
Also, yeah, Mina was better than sally, but that whole time period was just kind of weird.
tracking the conversation is more than just copy and pasting post codes. i can click up a reply chain. actually reading and keeping the information coherent is different.
11 months ago
Anonymous
None of the conversation was about Mina. Everything was about Sally being shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no it wasn't. it was about schizos not being able to accept having side canons as also getting to exist and said schizos getting into fights with ghosts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
When did anyone say anything about that?
BTW, masterful trolling on your part, really helping shit the thread up. All I need to do is be the reasonable one and the thread becomes more shit than Sally's character.
>Be Me >Early 2000's >Fat Nigerian kid >Big fan of Archie Sonic Comic's >Hate Archie Sonic's character >Drew tons of austistic fanart of him getting beat up
What really surprised me was Antoine with how much he grew as a character. He let go of his grudge/one-sided rivalry with Sonic, became braver and more competent, Accepted Sally will never love him and moved on which in turn got Sally to respect him, Won the heart of Bunnie, grew into a better friend, stopped letting Sonic get under his skin despite Sonic's constant attempts.
Amy and Sonic's own parents called Sonic out for this in the comics I'm surprised the other Freedom Fighter's still wanted to be his friend when he's such a insufferable jerk.
What the frick happened? Anyway, love both Sonic and Megaman cartoons for the nostalgia, love Sonic Adventure for making me a Sonic fan, love BN for being my gateway to Megaman as a whole.
I want my fricking Archie continuity back. I want it back right fricking now. I want Potto fired, I want Penders hanged for his treason, and I want Sonic to have stories on par with Adventure 2 again.
Possibly no one.
I doubt it's worth the headache of dealing with Sally fans and their autistic rage that she isn't real
IDW really was the only place they could have gone. Antarctic Press is where you go if you want to print something no one else will touch, but that's a sign of weakness. I don't see Sonic fitting in with Dark Horse or Image. Marvel and DC is just a laughable idea. The bridge to Archie was burned LONG ago. Everything else just seems too small to do the job.
I can see your logic but I think Skybound/Image could pick it up. They already have some licensed all ages books between ninjago and monkie kid. Sonic would be a pretty big deal if they were looking to expand into that market. Sonic autists would flock to it regardless. If not them then I can see Boom! going in for Sonic since all ages is their specialty.
Unrelated but I can also see Darkhorse picking up TMNT and Godzilla off IDW's corpse. They desperately need some new cash cows after Marvel took Predator, Aliens, and Star wars from them and they already have history with Goji and the Turtles.
>They already have some licensed all ages books between ninjago and monkie kid.
I suppose that's possible, but I feel like that would lead to Sonic becoming more aimed for kids than teens. Well, maybe we'd get lucky and they'll just adapt the games in order. Archie failed to adapt SA1 and SA2, so maybe there's hope.
>Unrelated but I can also see Darkhorse picking up TMNT and Godzilla off IDW's corpse.
I can't agree more. But I also wouldn't mind Marvel getting Godzilla just so we can have a certain book reprinted.
> I feel like that would lead to Sonic becoming more aimed for kids than teens
after the success of the films that much seems unavoidable >wouldn't mind Marvel getting Godzilla just so we can have a certain book reprinted
for what its worth I could see darkhorse making a deal with marvel to reprint the old godzilla series themselves. they did so with conan, star wars, and a handful of other marvel series.
>they did so with conan, star wars, and a handful of other marvel series.
Yes, but Godzilla is different. It has the Avengers, Fantastic 4, Devil Dinosaur, and he's constantly being hunted by Shield. This isn't like Transformers where they can just remove Spider-man. There's no way in hell that Marvel will give them a deal that won't drive them bankrupt.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you forget that we live in a time where rom AND micronauts are both getting reprinted. marvel is strapped for cash in all respects. Its more plausible now than it has been ever before.
I really don't understand the "i hate a sonic character" shit. they're not fricking real, they're not canon. you can do whatever you want with them. no one gives a frick. draw a girl from every sonic continuity in a big naked pile making out and shit.
>imagine caring as much as these Black folk do about which character the blue cartoon hedgehog kisses and then fighting people over your "ships". absolute trannies and women.
>getting mad about others being mad about a fictional character
autism. it's not like it's unique to sonic either.
It's like Dragon Ball, "canon" means something will continue to be used in future productions, while noncanon stuff gets left behind. That's why people care about canon.
I remember the fursuit.
Who's that
https://twitter.com/ol_Chains/status/1619806945552261123
The fursuit is made by some dude, but he hire professional female models to wear them.
unf
Those are some nice furbreasts. I hope the model wearing it has similar sized ones.
Yep...
Would you believe he's improved on it since?
I miss her
Good riddance.
https://files.catbox.moe/eu713j.jpg
>https://files.catbox.moe/eu713j.jpg
OK, but why is Gadget so big?
Did... Did Sally break Nicole just so she could get some mouse nookie?
Sally doesn't deserve Nicole.
You ain't kiddin'.
Of course not.
Shard does.
Shard was a cool dude but Nicole is for me.
Is there more?
Not yet, but I've been getting so much positive feedback and requests for more, that I'm seriously considering continuing it. Might be a while, tho. I've got a lot in my queue at the moment.
I love girls who enjoy the breeze
Based as always
Wheres that sequel?
Mah Princess I will neveg forget you
>Up against the wall
I wouldn't mind having Sally up against the wall ifyouknowwhaamsayyyin
She's fricking dead. And Sallygays will never see their beloved waifu ever again.
Yeah, I'd like pin Sally again the wall, with a knife and stab her.
>Yeah, I'd like pin Sally again the wall, with a knife and stab her.
Yeah with my dick. repeatedly. I agree anon.
wtf shes naked
Can gringos explain to me the obsession with this shitty OC or SatAM? She wasn't even in the games, and SatAM is kinda boring.
SatAM is not boring.
general sonic autism + mary sue female with breasts who is romantically paired with sonic
not that hard to figure out
You don't know what a Mary Sue is.
Yeah, its Sally.
Thank you for confirming you don't know.
Sonic autism to that degree seems to be a largely american thing, I've not met any Sonic fan who's as creepy as the american ones, it makes me wonder why, if there's a culture thing where everything's taken to the extreme. I know there have to be Yuropoor and latinkeks autists like that but they're not as easy to find.
It is. I gave it a fair shake but it's painfully boring to me. People hail it but it suffers the exact same flaws (story-wise) that 06 suffers. Too self-important while outstandingly boring. AoStH was more entertaining.
>It is.
It isn't.
I mean to each his own but I can appreciate them trying something different compared to the other sonic show, honestly the tone between the two feels like AoStH was built around Sonic 2 with its vibrant colors and presentation and SatAm was more built around Sonic 3 and Knuckles for inspiration with it being more story focused and darker in design. I like both myself, I can't pretend they're incredible pieces of the medium like Batman TAS but they are still a nice bit of nostalgia to me, the cartoon version of eating sugary cereal
Unironically what is it with antis like you? You guys don't even contribute anything meaningfully to the thread. It's all just "SALLY BAD" or shit. I unironically only learned about Rich thanks to you schizo guys.
just answering a question man
>antis
Oh God, new zoomer lingo. Whatever, but I'll answer you honestly:
I grew up with the Sonic games, but the discovery of the Sally character when I got online in mid-00's and witnessing the large English-language following confused me. I thought she'd be this big deal character and when I could I gave the show a fair shot.
I just didn't like her nor the show itself. I liked Adventures, especially due to it's take on Robotnik
>I liked Adventures
Then watch actuall looney tunes,not the bootleg copy of it.
Same reason why people jerk off 80s cartoon TMNT.
What about Charmy?
I mean, that's pretty in line with future sonic content.
>Then watch actuall looney tunes,not the bootleg copy of it.
He said, defending the bootleg DBZ,Evagelion,CoD,GoW,Mario,BoTW bootleg copy.
It's not new. It's repurposed from idol culture. What it's doing in this thread I haven't the foggiest. I assume anon just came down from /vt/.
what the frick is an anti you fricking loser
never use that word again or Ill rape your ass
>It's all just "SALLY BAD" or shit.
Verses "SALLY GOOD" and "SIT ON MY DIIIIIIIIIIIICK", this isn't reddit or discord, hugboxes are against site rules.
>has no special powers
>fricks up all the time
>nearly got killed by a literally who like Hershey The Cat
>got killed again by some wall turrets years later
>her brother is a way better ruler than her
>even when roboticized and given upgrades by Eggman she can’t even beat a B-tier fighter like Monkey Khan
>even when given laser swords in the reboot never accomplishes anything and has her AI girlfriend fight all her battles
Sally is the furthest thing from a Mary Sue you can be. Every other major female in the series has a better case for being a mary sue. Hell, Sonic himself is a colossal gary stu.
Sonic isn't that much of a gary stu in Satam and Archie. He does fail and struggle sometimes. IDW especially and occasionally the games are way worse with that. But Sonic being powerful is at least justified because he's the main character in a fantasy hero series (don't know why i have to even explain this).
Sonic’s literally isn’t allowed to lose in IDW. That’s not acceptable in the slightest.
>Sonic’s literally isn’t allowed to lose in IDW
Then how did the Zombot arc drag on for as long as it did?
You can't lose if the fight never ends.
Because he never lost a fight, everyone around him did. Sonic’s friends are allowed to take Ls but Sonic himself can’t which made the illusion of him being vulnerable.
Him demolishing Surge and Mecha Sonic with a broken leg is proof that he’s not allowed to lose.
We are talking about the cartoon or the comics here?
They are basically the same thing but I was talking about comic Sally.
She gets dangerously close to being one in terms of her personality. But I still like her and I don't think it's hard to write her well.
Muh first childhood boner.
its a naked sexy b***h
are you a gay or something
It’s a fricking squirrel animal fricker
I'm a Sonic mark and still like SatAm really well, but it's an obvious product of its time and ended in the gayest way possible with a cliffhanger. I had always meant to watch sonic x as well but I got a feeling it's probably shit like most sonic releases are
Sonic x isn't good. It's unintentionally goofy in an awkwardly translated shonen anime sort of way, like good majority of stuff 4kids bought. Ultimately outside of an abridged version of SA1 and 2 you're in for an awkward critter from another dimension falls into a rich kid's pool and they become best friends story and basically the Plot of Dragonball GT and or Starblazers stapled to the end of the show, which isn't as good as it sounds. Honestly the only thing that came out of the last Arc was a new waifu in the form of Cosmo, and even then she dies.
It's not too painful but also not good.
Kath Soucie voice anon.
That game is looking awesome so far.
Aww damn, kate's in this?!
Who?
All of them furries.
I see the pattern.
Satam fans make Sonic 06 fans look sane im just going to leave it at that
SatAM is actually good and isn't a major disappointment, unlike 06.
Satam was always just an average 90s action cartoon that just so happened to have sonic characters in it and this is coming from someone who loves archie shit and Sally. AOSTH on the other hand is kino of the highest order
>someone who loves archie shit and Sally.
Were you hit on the head? I'm sorry for your mental illness.
Sonic 06 has fans?
Before P06? Yes, either because it was the Sonic game they grew up with (possibly being born around 99-01) or because "le hidden gem under glitches". 06 was and will always be ass, but P06 actually makes it fun, but being a fan project, Sega can't wipe their hands of the original.
Created back in ‘92 by Archie though Emi predates Sally by several months.
However Emi would eventually become Amy and appear in many games starting with Sonic CD. The only other characters who would graduate from manga to officially appearing in a video are Karin Kanzuki and Gouken from SF.
Charmy is the actual OC to game character from the manga, Emi was always intended to be introduced to the games.
Imagine if they had synergy from the start, we wouldn't have gotten stupid shit like "Princess Sally the Hedgehog", we could've gotten Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy as the main characters ala Mario.
If they wanted brand synergy, they should have waited to make a sonic show until sonic 1 and 2 were out like what supershow did
>Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy as the main characters ala Mario.
Seems like they're forcing that dynamic now. Especially after Amy was pushed amongst Team Sonic in Frontiers, Origins and now Superstars. She's the one female for gender diversity lmao.
Waiting until the dreamcast era to have brand synergy was definitely a shitty decision, they either should have started out with the brand synergized all the way back with the first game or never should have synergized and just gone with their original plan of each country having a different sonic
For the longest time Sally was the most prominent female Sonic character in the West.
Before Adventure 1, Amy only appeared in CD( which almost no one actually played at the time, also Sega of America tried to rename her "Princess Sally" in that game's manual) and a bunch of crappy spinoffs, half of which were Japan-exclusive.
Oh the mass Utah tier disappointments when some pink hedgehog was there instead of a chipmunk
It was their first furry crush. For some people it was Gadget, for some people it was Minerva Mink. SatAM fans are SatAM fans exclusively because they want to frick Sally and to a much lesser extent Bunnie
i had a crush on mina mongoose. she was so fricking cute (her original outfit)
SatAM was the best Sonic cartoon to ever come out and was a westernized version of Sonic and his story that was actually good and did a good attempt at being dark. I never understood why people circlejerk Sega Sonic when the quality is all over the place and the Japanese never knew what kind of story they wanted to tell with him. They've done
>Arabian Sonic
>Knights of the Roundtable Sonic
>Werewolf Sonic
All good incarnations of Sonic come from the West, whether Segatards want to admit it or not.
SatAM was just a crappier The Raccoons with Sonic characters in it, just as AoStH was a crappier Looney Tunes with Sonic characters in it.
Looney Tunes is a good fit for Classic Sonic. Remember, when Sega themselves made a cartoon, it was basically just a Looney Tunes short. To the point that TMS reused their tiny toon adventures aesthetic.
The Racoons is nothing like SatAM lmao. Have you ever even watched it? Or do you just get your opinions from Youtube?
More like Spiral Zone with Furries
seconding, not only because its accurate but because nobody discusses spiral zone
I fricking love Spiral Zone and I wish we had more of it.
same brother, i still dont know how either spiral zone or inhumanoids got made but Im happy they exist
For me, it's long-haired Sally.
>Furry thread
>Tangle the Lemur, Whisper the Fox, and Lanolin the Sheep now have better odds of showing up in a Sonic game and get merch than Sally Acorn
It's not fair
I like the sheep a lot, dont care for the other 2
It's because Sega is involved with IDW but wasn't with Sonic SatAM.
Never forget him, and his brothers (and sister).
Who was the better robot chicken, Cluck or Scratch?
Scratch obviously, he actually does shit. He and Grounder also survived falling into lava, converting a rival robot into free will, and Scratch threw a 200 pound raccoon man off a cliff.
Yes, my friend is a huge fan of his
Reminder Geoffrey raped her.
>I wanted to tell a story of two sonic OCs fricking in a children comic
You gotta admire his autism
I don't know, even some autists tend to actually get something actually produced in the timeframe of 10+ years, unlike him.
Also after suing Sega for "using his OCs", he never made any comic with said OCs and instead he accepts paid commissions for fanarts of other popular video games (ironic, right?).
>one of my self-inserts actually molested a 14 year old
Seriously, what the hell was he thinking?
I thought she was 16yo, but your point stands
Not shitposting, I'm convinced Penders genuinly has some kind of mental disorder.
And somehow this Chris Chan-esque dude has kids and got to work on official sonic comics
at the very least he admitted it was a story he couldn't tell so he's exposing himself as a creep and also the guy who failed to actually put it in his run.
Did he?
Geoffrey often forced Sally into a mouth-to-mouth kiss, long before she ever did it with Sonic, and she never once resisted.
yeah that's not sex though, also to be fair Sally got a lot of weird shit from Penders like her dad constantly treating her like shit and even wanted to kill her off at the last issue at the time.
Isn't it laughably ironic Sega was the one that stopped Archie from killing off Sally in Endgame, and how badly that ended up biting them in the ass years later.
How so, also honestly wish they stepped in more so we got less Paul tier Geoffrey antics and maybe the comic could've had a proper ending either time, cause I'm being optimistic on could've been.
Sonic and Sally's soap-opera tier relationship became too problematic for Sega's tastes, as was her role in being at the core of everything thematically.
I think that's less the characters fault and more incompetent writers, plus I'm biased since I like Sonic and Sally's relationship even if the baggage is a big issue and made an enjoyable dynamic get diluted by comic writers pathetic fear of stable relationshis, plus I guess her being at the core is impossible to change since the comic was Satam based and she was one of the major leads. The comics did get better at balancing the characters and her not having all the spotlight, though funny enough she got shafted in her own miniseries thanks to Penders. But yeah won't lie early Archie really takes a bad shift that is like a tumour on the actual good merits it has.
>archie skunk is a creepy molesting jerk
>fleetway skunk is some weird macro fetish deity
>idw skunks are just joke villains
being a skunk in sonic is an odd fat
you frickers never remember bunnie
James Gunn is a hack.
>Forgetting that bunny metal ass
Bunny a cute.
>giving a bunny, known for it's humping and giving it super powered piston legs
Antoine's crotch must be indestructible by now.
Remember when she had a random cameo on Cartoon Network's MAD series? Because I do for some reason
based
Sometimes I'm surprised by the references MAD TV made
Mad straight up reference obscure but real Yu-gi-oh cards like Giga Plant. They were like a treasure trove of weird references
Bunnie and Antione were based.
Literally who and who?
Correct. They were the only good members of the FF
Nobody really cared about Antione, he was just an accessory to Bunnie. For most of the comic's life up till issue 50 he was just a pain in the ass who did nothing but frick things up for everybody while trying to make himself look better.
Mecha Madness was Antione's fault. Instead of guarding Nack's cell like he was supposed to, he was planning a fancy party all attributed to himself, and because of this Nack escaped, got out and took Sonic to Robotnik to get roboticized, which let to Knothole getting razed to the ground. Then Antione had the gall to persecute Sonic for believing he did it all out of sprite for the council disagreeing with his plan.
Antione was never punished for this either.
I liked Antoine because he developed out of being a cowardly, narcissistic, butthole
Why are both Antoine and Bunniegays like this? Do you people have nothing better to do than try earning the high ground and clamp down everyone on the slightest opportunity to screech out how superior is your taste?
Yes, yes, we know, your shitty forgettable oc is better than this shitty forgettable oc. Wow, such remarkable sentence.
Oh right, that issue.
Ignoring the fact it was such a shit story, looking at Dave Manak's goofy shitty art after two whole issues of Spaz handling entire books instead of just covers doesn't do anybody any favors.
>hating goofy kino instead of being able to appreciate both sides of the coin
>>you frickers never remember unforgettable diapershit no one cares
Correct.
Tails, don't you have a bench you have to go sit on?
Eat several dicks, IDWschizo.
I'd take Archie, Fleetway, or even Okida's Sonic the Continuation over IDW. It is bottom-of-the-barrel boring corporate slop.
Both IDW and Archie are terrible for different reasons. Move on.
Yeah, but Archie was at least funny sometimes in how lousy it was. IDW is surreally boring.
what in the frick is sega world
oh, so it's some "theme park" in frickin Sydney of all places, imagine actually finding this shit and then using it to push your Sally Acorn agenda, holy shit
Sega World was an arcade chain they had in multiple countries with a few theme parks thrown into the mix. I don't think they ever had any of them in the United States though I'm not sure if that was because of previous existing licensing agreements or if it had something to do with the weird relationship between Sega of Japan and Sega of America.
Stop making me want to hump the piss rabbit.
😉
Rest in pieces, in a junkyard in western Sydney.
Let's be real, SatAM was actually the Princess Sally Show. Sonic was just along for the ride.
the whole thing (comics and cartoon) was a bunch of western furries using the sonic license to covertly write furry smut
Imagine the seethe this show would cause if it came out nowadays
>getting commissioned to draw one of my OCs banging her
feels good, man.
what does your oc look like?
How much of that stuff is fanmade though? The plushie has to be.
The plush is also Sega World Sydney merch.
Yeah, except now we've got IDW's screenhogging dykes in her place.
They are canon to games and actual game characters.
That just makes it worse.
Keep telling yourself that, Ian.
why are you so fixated on diapers, anon?
oh hey your that weirdo who annoys everyone in the Sonic threads, I'd ask if you got a life yet but guess not since this cartoon character still lives rent free in your head.
How’s that removal from the stock market treating you?
Has anyone realised how much SatAM borrowed from Star Wars? I don't even mean this as an insult, but the whole Doomsday thing was pretty much a Death Star plot, and Sally is very similar to Leia as a character.
Why didn't they just have Dulcy, the magical fire-breathing dragon, travel to Robotropolis and burn Robotnik to a crisp?
robotnik can clearly deal with and capture dragons in the show
Dulcy is special needs, woulda really not been viable in all honesty, plus she woulda been shot out of the sky by the flying swat bot ships or the ones in the hover bike/bath tub looking things.
There's never been a character I fricking hated so much at first sight as I have hated Dulcy. b***h doesn't even fit the SatAM OCs generic artstyle, let alone Sonic's.
yeah they tried to fix her in Reboot archie but even then she didn't get to do much, shame as her design gets a massive glowup
What the frick, that's not even the same character anymore, I love it. She looks like she could be Vector's cousin.
aye Archie actually had some nice reptile characters to like I always bat for Mordred Hood, the hypno snake that isn't a cringe lord like Kaa.
>Went from Ham planet to THAT
whats her secret?
Sega's lawyers.
chun nan's patented medicine, may contain traces of Mobian Pangolin or Shark Fin.
Big the Cat will smash all your waifus and absorb their plumpness into his own
Relentless fat shaming and large quantities of laxatives
Big's face tho...
Her fat dumptruck was her ONLY redeeming factor. Cant carry nobody with that generic body.
They killed her hips and thighs.
Yo who's that bird?
That tiger is pretty hot, you'd think there'd be more fanart of her.
Sadly just didn't get to shine a lot like the other post-reboot Archie girls like Clover and TB.
That design is godawful, Jesus. I really hate how homogenized the modern designs are in the Archie reboot/IDW comics. There's no room for any kind of uniqueness or body diversity, they all have to fit the same "mold" and I feel like it misses the point of Sonic's design philosophy.
It's especially jarring seeing Big the Cat there, because you can bet your ass the ONLY reason he remains untouched is out of legacy. Had he been a modern Archie/IDW design, he'd just be a male version of Blaze.
It gets even weirder seeing Big next to reboot Rotor. I understand that two chunky purple dudes in the same group is a bit iffy, but Rotor was one of the only characters with a unique body type while also fitting in and then he just got swapped to a generic build. And it's not like a round character is impossible when you have Thunderbolt as well.
>And it's not like a round character is impossible when you have Thunderbolt as well.
And even then she's only really like that because she's an imitation of Classic Eggman. Which I'll give her design props for actually having some thought put into it, but she seems to be the exception that proves the rule.
imagine the smell
Big remains the same because Sonic Team are Ghibli fans
sure thing if you want to believe that, least not the one mass replying while thinking that is supposed to make me cry or something. Actually that's kind of a cute pic, though bit weird looking as she has like Regular Show anatomy going there.
Why was Tails so fricking useless in this show?
I know the Western manuals ignored the fact that he was a genius, but even in Sonic 2 he could still run as fast as Sonic and fly planes...
>they were gonna make him more competent in Season 3
Why not just make him competent from the start? Even AoStH got that part right.
Because Satam is barely even a sonic show. It could have just been its own thing, that being said im kinda glad it didnt because them later on having 00s era characters like CHADow and omega and rouge clash with 90s era cartoon characters will never not be hilarious
He was probably a list minute addition into the show. Vidya companies of the time all hate very poor communication between their studios and projects, that's why everything is so inconsistent during that era
>Even AoStH got that part right.
There was a whole episode dedicated to this.
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>Tails being a genius was left out of the Western localization
>AoStH got it right anyway
I wonder if that show’s staff got ahold of some of the Japanese material.
>I know the Western manuals ignored the fact that he was a genius
He was never a genius though back then. They made him one much later at Sonic Adventure.
>He was never a genius though back then.
Tails Adventure says "hi".
They only made him one in ONE spin-off: a Game Gear one.
>They only made him one in ONE spin-off: a Game Gear one.
He was also a genius on Tails sky patrol since he was the only one that was able to defeat the Witchcart crew all by himself.
a game that came out in 1995. SATAM started production 4 years prior. Archie Sonic started in 1992.
I didn't even play sonic cd or 3&k until 1996 when they came to PC. contrary to what zoomers believe, it was actually very difficult to follow all the games and media in a franchise before there was a wikipedia or a youtube. I didn't even have a complete collection of the comics, despite having read them for so long. (Gaps in my 90's collection happened due to mom not wanting to reup my subscription sometimes and not being able to afford them on back orders)
>He was never a genius though back then.
He's liked vehicles and machines since Sonic 2's Japanese manual, and also the entirety of Tails' Adventure exists. My interpretation is he realized his talents repairing and driving Sonic's plane during and after Sonic 2.
In Sonic 2 he fixes the Tornado with a rocket booster attachment.
In Sonic Fighters Tails builds a rocket to space in his garage.
In OVA he hacks Metal Sonic.
Etcetera Etcetera
>In Sonic 2 he fixes the Tornado with a rocket booster attachment.
I had originally thought Rotor built it since it was all done off-screen.
It's actually Sonic's plane. That's why his name is on it. Rotor isn't a thing.
if you play as Tails, Sonic puts the rocket booster on the plane to fix it.
SEGA never forgot. They just never forgot where she came from.
Fixed that for you.
Still canon to games. 🙂
So are these chucklefricks nobody likes.
The producer for Colors will make sure everyone loves Zavok and wisps because they're his only worthwhile contributions to the franchise.
cant wait for the zavok dlc for frontiers
I don't get why people are so autistic about hating Wisps, they're just Power Ups.
Zavok, on the other hand, can go frick himself.
By the time these designs came to be, SEGA was strongarming Archie, right? To look in-brand and not like shit.
>they're just Power Ups.
Because they're not fun, especially with how Sonic Forces climsily implemented them into gameplay.
What? Frenzy and the DS Void were awesome shit, Rocket and Drill are nice thing.
MAXIMUM DORAIVU
yeah a bit, honestly after 160 the designs genuinely got more gamelike due to the artist and writer actually caring to make them look in style so even older characters like Barby Koala looked less out of place.
* used
>Remember when?
I don't get why children's media always has people going "Remember when?"
yeah what about it is the fictional character getting treated unjustly
Wanna know what’s funny? Quan Chi appeared in DoTR and officially became a canon MK character
Fun fact: the reason Tails is brown in the DiC cartoons is because the only color reference that DiC received from Sega was this early sprite sheet from a Sonic 2 prototype
and Mega Man is green because the TV they used to try Mega Man 1 had poorly calibrated tint.
Ironically the opposite could happen, Captain N's Mega Man looked blue on my TV due to my TV's Tint setting being poorly calibrated.
Wasn't there an older artist from... I think the earliest run of Archie Sonic who fricking hated that and he only drew Adventure Sonic like classic Sonic with longer spikes and green eyes out of spite?
probably, I only keep track of like first few issues of archie when it was a gag strip and everything after 159 where the quality got more consistently good with only a few low points.
Yep, michael Gallagher, his take on sonic stuck closely to the tv shows at the time, but around the '00s is when his design started to stick out of place. Think it wasn't until after the adventure series dropped was when he started towing the line but he left shortly after.
Really wish I saved some pages from that time to better illustrate my point but if you look up some of the ones after issue 100(?) you'll get a better idea.
Gallagher was perfectly OK with the redesigns, having used them consistently in all the pre-Ian Off-Panels and the occasional throwback story like "Island of Misfit Badniks".
That was Art Mawhinney. He hated the Sega-mandated redesigns so much that he outright refused to draw Robotnik in his Eggman design, so either another artist added him in or stories just went without.
Why does it seem anyone involved will Sonic will lower themselves to Chris Chan levels of brain functions.
The brown color was cute so idc
Sonic’s brand inconsistency genuinely needs to be studied
>rather than just using reusing the japanese art and storyline, the west not only gets greg martin to create new art for sonic, but also creates their own canon for the games, involving sonic being de eggman’s lab assistant, who here is named ovi kintobor, and after a freak accident, sonic gets his signature blue quills and speed while dr ovi kintobor becomes the evil dr ivo robotnik
>despite this new western canon existing, dic created another sonic canon in the form of satam, which names dr ivo robotnik dr julian robotnik instead, also, he’s also been evil and sonic has always had his powers and lived in the acorn kingdom with the freedom fighters, characters based on the animals sonic freed from the original game
>sally was the only non game character to be in both canons and she was completely different in both, with one making her just one of the animals sonic freed and the other making her the leader of the freedom fighters and love interest to sonic, despite the fact sega had already made sonic a love interest but never told dic because at the time when satam was being made, her only appearance was in a very obscure manga that had a completely different canon from the japanese games
>all that aside, dic was making an entirely different sonic show for some reason, one with once again a completely different canon and stark contrast in tone from satam
>satam would also spawn a comic series by archie that would run for over 20 years before sega pulled the plug
>there was also a completely different sonic comic in the uk that was based more around the western game canon
(1/?)
>despite the fact sega had already made sonic a love interest
Justice for Madonna.
Sega encouraged the brand inconsistency because they wanted each country to have its own version of Sonic.
And then they reneged on all of that when Adventure came out and just had every country stick to the Japanese canon.
Considering the state of Archie Sonic at the time, it was the right thing to do.
Right, but it just makes me wonder why Sega didn't just use the Japanese canon from the beginning.
The character was literally designed to appeal to Westerners, after all.
Because there was barely anything of the Japanese canon to use at the time.
A lack of confidence. Remember, back when Sonic first came out there wasn't a big love affair with anime like there was in the 00s. Back then if you were lucky MAYBE you could get a VHS tape of dragonball z with some piss yellow inaccurate fan subs on it if you had a Chinatown nearby.
SoJ never cared about Sonic lore, because that was autistically moronic. Only Naka cared, and is when the Jap canon was heavily enforced.
Now that he's rotting in jail after making 06 what it is, it's clear using Jap canon or any canon for a platformer IP was always cancer and should be heavily discouraged for the grater good. Only good gameplay is all Sonic needs to thrive as an IP.
My favorite part was when the west tried to change amy into sally but sega wasn't having any of that. Adventure might have sealed the deal and officially killed off the western canon outside of comics but the seeds for the downfall were already there
>My favorite part was when the west tried to change amy into sally
Are you talking about what Ian was trying to do at the start of IDW or something else?
I remember the fans weren't having any of it with IDW either.
That was funny as well but this was a differnt instance. The western side tried really hard to pretend that Amy was Sally cause they were pushing her a lot
>The western side tried really hard to-
Did it happen anywhere else besides Sonic CD's SegaCD Manual? If not, then that's not very hard.
In Sonic Christmas Blast, they made Sally pink to match Amy's colors.
>In Sonic Christmas Blast, they made Sally pink to match Amy's colors.
You've got your facts mixed up, Sally always had inconsistent colors. Even when they provided this "canonical" explaination for them, they still colorcorrected her in reprints of stories where she appeared them with them.
the point is Sally is cute no matte he pallet, though we never did get green Sally.
Really? I thought they just reused Sally's colors from the SatAM pilot.
Christmas Blast came out when SatAM had already been cancelled though?
Really, now?
Archie issue 0 had Sally in red with blonde hair. For the first 10 or so issues after that she was pink with black hair, then after that she had the colors she was most known for. In the "Sonic Firsts" special comic, the reprints of earlier issues recolored her to her most known colors, in addition to things like changing "Boomer" to Rotor.
In the pilot of SatAM (which was repurposed as episode 13) Sally appeared like
, everywhere else she was her usual brown with red hair.
And Sally had no lines or role in that christmas special at all besides a gasp.
Because Kath Soucie was too busy with Space Jam at the time.
Could have just recast her like they did with Tails.
the European manual printed in a bunch of different languages including English, had basically the same exact synopsis except Amy Rose was still Amy Rose there.
>Princess Sally, the pink hedgehog
Why did they even bother?
Because Sally used to be pink and they thought they could get away with it appealing to satam fans. Ironically Sally appeared in the spinball game anyway
The funny thing is that the Sonic brand is still inconsistent, but instead of a regional division it's everything being inconsistent at once
>during the dreamcast era, sega decided to scrap the western canon entirely and make have the japanese canon be the definitive canon moving forward
>rather than killing off the current archie comic or at least its canon, archie was forced to keep its canon and make giant asspulls just to make it be more like the adventure games, one of which forced them to bring in an au robotnik because they killed off their own robotnik since the writers had no games to work during the saturn era
>despite this, sonic underground, a show based on classic sonic got to run without any changes needing to be made
>sonic x released during this time, which while having a different canon, felt at least more similar to the games compared to the previous shows
>it wasn’t until 2014 where sega would shit the bed again, making sonic boom a new branch of sonic with a completely different canon and new characters seperate from the games
>the wii u game and show also feature entirely different tones
>as early as three years later, sonic boom was killed off and archie was finally killed, but thanks to not doing so years prior like with the previously mentioned boom, a significant amount of fans have latched onto its world and characters
>2017 also saw sega shoot themselves and make classic sonic and modern sonic different universes, just adding confusion when it finally seemed like the series was going to have a single canon
>the movies eventually come out and use an entirely different canon from the games
>with sonic superstars coming out soon, that means we now currently have three sonic canons
Don't forget Sonic Prime, though it is mostly on line with modern sonic anyway
Both idw and prime are technically game canon which is why I didn’t mention them. This may or not be a complication that came with them being game canon but both feel very safe and sterile compared to previous sonic shows and comics.
They're not game canon, they just based on said game canon. Similar, but not the same.
That and IDW can't use or foreshadow to future games unless Sega wants them to. That's why NOTHING from Frontiers has made its way into IDW (no Sage, no Ancients, no The End), where as before, like that long post mentioned, Archie had to weld their canon around whatever new game was on the block.
Frankly I expect when that restriction does lift, IDW won't even cover Frontiers, they'll just allude to it having happened, since there's no real way to work the Restoration or Whispangle into it.
They are not canon to the games, they are canon ALIGNED. Aka, like a abridged youtube shitpost version of the game canon. The games aren't canon to prime/idw, to put it another way.
Like how AoSTH is not canon to the games, but is very clearly canon aligned unlike Satam was.
>arguing about the games to comics canon when iizuka can't even fricking decide if superstars and frontiers exist within the same continuity or not
Literally no one in that fricking studio cares about canon as much as this small percentage of autistic sonic zoomers do.
It’s wierd comparing this to mario’s canon because the dic mario shows actually used the cast from the games instead of having to make up a cast for mario to hang around. As weird as some of supershow’s locations and designs were, it still felt like a mario show. The only real big difference in canon was also that mario and luigi had italian american accents instead of italian accents and were from brooklyn instead of the mushroom kingdom, both concepts that were reused for the movie. After the dic shows ended, mario’s canon was mainly confined to the games and they seemed pretty consistent.
They still did weird stuff like combining Bowser and Wart into a single character, and changing the koopalings' names.
But one odd thing is that all the 3 shows have some degree of continuity among them, unlike the Sonic shows.
>They still did weird stuff like combining Bowser and Wart into a single character
At the time of the Super Show, there were only two games to go from (SMB 1 and 2), both with radically different gameplay styles, enemies, etc. And since two evil reptile kings would have been confusing, they just mixed the two together.
>and changing the koopalings' names.
They probably changed them to avoid copyright suits, as they were all named after famous musicians (Morton Koopa Jr. and Ludwig von Koopa were named after Morton Downey Jr. and Ludwig von Beethoven, respectively. In the show, they became Bigmouth Koopa Jr. and Kooky von Koopa).
>But one odd thing is that all the 3 shows have some degree of continuity among them, unlike the Sonic shows.
AoStH was originally supposed to be set before SatAM, but that idea was dropped.
>AoStH was originally supposed to be set before SatAM, but that idea was dropped.
that would have been odd lmao
IKR imagine Robotnik going from a Looney Tunes villain to Robo-Hitler
Sonic just mind broke him that badly with his antics, it woulda been jarring but also funny to think he caused him to go up a villain tier out of sheer hate.
Ironically, aosth robotnik has a more effective method of roboticization than satam robotnik with aosth’s just being a ray gun
I thought AOSTH robot creation was just shoving a bunch of junk into a machine
That's the funny thing, AOSTH Robot I'm is actually a fairly effective and deadly villain able to destroy cities and steamroll most opposition, it's just Sonic utterly makes him look pathetic with how he used the Bugs Bunny force against him.
He literally has half the planet conquered already with sub-bosses working under him, Sonic and Tails travel around the planet breaking down his operations one by one.
The robot transmogrifier gun was introduced towards the end of the series, instantly roboticizes whatever it shoots.
I see you're younger than me. I'll answer the Koopalings bit, with no irony. The Koopalings were unnamed in Japan, they were just "Demon King Koopa's Generals", and the cartoon predated the US release of the game by a couple of months, and DiC had no names to go with, so they made up their own.
>the dic mario shows actually used the cast from the games instead of having to make up a cast for mario to hang around.
>all that aside, dic was making an entirely different sonic show for some reason
SatAM was supposed to be the only Sonic series, but DiC wanted it to air in syndication, which ABC did not like. ABC would only agree to pick up SatAM, provided they make a new separate Sonic series tailored for syndication(AoStH). This new series was conceived as a prequel to SatAM, but ABC did not want SatAM to have any connections to the syndicated series, so they made it darker and edgier than what pitched. Interestingly, Sonic Christmas Blast is actually closer to SatAM's initial pitch, in terms of tone.
Come on and slam, and welcome to the jam!
Oh frick... My brain can't handle the fact that there's more than 1 version of Sonic... This is too complicated and inconsistent...
I don't think many entertainment companies ever allowed their brands to be as inconsistent as Sonic was in the 90's
megaman says hi
mario says hi
final fantasy says hi
metal gear solid says hi
metroid says hi
kirby says hi
Battle Network bros, I don't feel so good...
It's the consequence of being a purely corporate franchise. There's no singular vision to focus on, there's no author to really fall back to because he was born by commitee. Sonic is a marketing tool first and foremost, made to be "cool" to whatever market he's trying to appeal to, rather than being his own character.
But that falls apart because the definition of "cool" changes constantly, so Sonic himself either has to chase the current definition of "cool" or he just gets left in the dust. In the end, we're left with an irreparably damaged franchise with countless different iterations, with said iterations having their own fanbases and NONE of them get along well because they believe THEIR version is the true Sonic. It's a fricking mess, top to bottom.
It's funny how even Sonic Boom pointed that out.
archie is autistic fun
idw is boring
simple ass
Sega of AMERICA!
How do you guys retain such hatred for a character that hasn’t appeared in anything major for thirty years and hasn’t appeared officially at all for ten?
I guess the same way people like me have such a strong passion, enjoyment and just a hint of lust for the character I guess? It is a bit weird to be that angry at her when she hasn't been allowed any use for so long, sadly she's now just a relic of time where Sonic could get a lot more off course for better or worse.
this place is autism hub, of course they're going to be like this
Because people won't stop white-knighting her online or autistically demanding she be brought back.
Hi, Archieschizo.
"People aren't liking things the same way i like them WAHHH"
Game-only gays hate Sally because they feel excluded that people like an old TV show that they've never watched. It's autism, simple as.
Sonicgays are sonicgays. Might as well ask Terry Davis why he was obsessed over that one b***h.
I wish we could go back to a time before internet so brainrot like this doesn't get shared with the world
Just to humour your deranged meltdown who is your fave female sonic character then?
Oh don't get me wrong, internet feminists are also part of the problem
I love Star Wars, and I like Leia. But all princesses being feisty is kinda cringe bro. They also pulled this in the old Canadian Mario cartoons, and I didn't like it.
IDW literally only has enough money to live for one more year
ESG money say "hi"
https://twitter.com/politicalawake/status/1667533561874853889
That doesn't change the fact that they literally only have money for one year at best
You think fricking comic publishing companies get funded like that?
>You think fricking comic publishing companies get funded like that?
Yes, they do. Why do you think they shove globohomosexual politics at their comics?
>Why do you think they shove globohomosexual politics at their comics?
Because they're usually located in the East Coast?
Also, if they have ESG money wouldn't they NOT be dying?
*West Coast
Even Japanese companies are after ESG money, especially the video games ones.
>Also, if they have ESG money wouldn't they NOT be dying?
They're not though? They're still around.
Anon
They delisted from the stock market because they had it below a dollar for months, they laid off several people, they straight up said they only have enough money for about a year
IDW is dying
IDW's been "dying" since 2017.
And do you fricking think they've gotten better since 2017
homie, they've just became worse and worse and worse
Rome didn't collapse in a day
You don't die immediately once you get a fatal disease
>they laid off several people
So do many other companies with ESG score but they're still alive
>IDW is dying
Call me back when they ACTUALLY die
Because comic books suck and the only people who are willing to work on them have some extra motivation, be it fan autism or political agenda.
Yes
They'll survive somehow.
I'd bank money the Whispangle cult alone will pitch in as much as they can to keep the company alive.
The state of idw right now is just this monty python clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs
>IDW publishing comics for so many popular IPs, including Sonic
>They still bleed money
How do they do that?
Because the audience they target (licenseshitters) don't buy the comics sans the ones with capeshitter overlap like TMNT
Sonic fans have been buying the Sonic comics for a long time though. At least when they were published by Archie Comics. By the way how did Archie Comics lost the rights for Sonic comics?
They didn't lose the Sonic IP, they choose not to renew the license because they were shifting their focus towards reinventing their own IP into shit like Riverdale.
Why the hell did they refused to renew the only comics series that was selling well at Archie Comics? Are they moronic?
Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth.
Also, yes they are.
>Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth
Here's another thing: how the hell did Penders won the lawsuit for characters he made for a comic that doesn't even belongs to him?
they lost his contract
Because Archie's lawyers (prior to getting fired) were pants on head moronic to the point where the judge pointed out how they "blew it" with Archie's new lawyers. They could've used their contract with Sega that stipulates whatever they publish is derivative and owned by Sega. Considering how Pender's ideas and characters can't exist without Knuckles or Sonic as a whole, I'd say that probably would've been good to point out.
>Mostly because the whole Penders debacle plus Sega's mandates getting prohibitively restrictive made continuing the comic more trouble than it was worth.
it's wasn't because of that reason the real reason was that the tv series was getting a lot more profit than the comic itself that why they did not renew it.
They were almost dead because World's Unite's excessive licensing made them bleed money when the comic didn't recoup sales
Mega Man was also floundering as a whole so they said frick it and amputated licensed comics period and banked it all on Riverdale
And honestly?
It fricking worked, ditching licenseshit paid off well for Archie
>And honestly? It fricking worked, ditching licenseshit paid off well for Archie.
It did? Cuz I doubt anyone buys crap like Riverdale.
Dude it lasted 7 seasons
It's a trainwreck sure but it was a massive success for them
once it dies, the CW is kaput.
Anon, how the frick does a series that can accrue tens of thousands of views of fandubs and have a twitter dedicated to news about it have almost 40k followers yet the comic itself can only push around 10k at best according to Comichron?
IDW fans don't buy the comic and even then IDW itself tried to expand too fast and too much and when it didn't pan out they were turbofricked
Sounds like most of these followers are bots
Mostly by fricking up every IP they've gotten their hands on.
>Mostly by fricking up every IP they've gotten their hands on
Do does Marvel and DC comics and yet they're still alive. The comics I mean.
What a sexy Nicole.
she was from a different time , when SoA was doing moronic anti sonic shit
glad they learned their lesson
>when SoA was doing moronic anti sonic shit
Like what?
>Like what?
why i am going to spend time discussing with you when its clear it was a generic western setting on those times
is not hate but that she was done because of 2 things
>generic princess girl with a generic western setting. Toys/Games on those times had a TV show together with it to sell product
>sonic worldbuilding was still new so you could just made a generic product slap sonic on it and called it a day
And how is that "anti-Sonic" again? Sonic was literally made to sell to the American audience, which is why Sega of Japan gave so much control to Sega of America over Sonic's development (which is why Sega of Japan's developers hated Sega of America).
>And how is that "anti-Sonic" again?
being ashamed to be like the games
this is why while i kinda like AOSTH i wish the show was more like the pilot
AOSTH was nothing like the games though
Still nothing like the game
not my fault you are blind
Wow! One scene only! Meanwhile the rest of the pilot is exactly like the final show: a Looney Tunes wanabee.
>wow! [COPE]
yeah we are done here. i accept your concession
Next thing you ll tell me that Sonic live action movies were exactly like the games because of one scene with Mega Drive Sonic ringtone.
AOSTH wasn't anything at all just a complete off the wall shitpost that no one takes seriously which is why the fans and haters aren't as mentally ill as satam
Maybe but still a shitty product even for American children shows standards with its fan having nostalgia goggles about it because of the Sonic brand, being a memes material and Robotnic's great voice acting that gave personality to the character of an otherwise shitty show.
Show was good. Zoomers can't appreciate anything that doesn't have 10 pages of lore per episode.
i cant imagine disliking AOSTH as its looney tunes featuring sonic characters. even the shittiest episodes have something to offer in entertainment value. that and SATAM exists for loregays.
>i cant imagine disliking AOSTH as its looney tunes featuring sonic characters
I can when it's a bad Looney Tunes wanabee with it turning Dr Robotnic and his minions into morons while he is supposed to be a genius scientist.
anon you've got to be actually autistic to despise the series on such a fundamental level
>wanabee
kek
And defending a crappy show like that isnt autistic? Talking about lack of self awareness, boy.
>"I HATE WHEN THINGS ARENT LORE ACCURATE" goes back to reading wikipedia entries on obscure sonic characters while jacking off
normal people liked it and sonic boom. you're just a fricking spastic.
I forget, when was the lat time any fricking thing Eggman built fricking beat Sonic canonically in game? Oh that's right NONE OF THEM. He's a fricking joke, he's not a real threat and never was, that's why the 2000s games added DBZ gods all the damn time.
I grew up with the show, moron. And I was never fan of Satam (besides Satam was never aired in my country). Also I tried watching Aosth few years ago twice but quickly dropped it because it made me cringe so hard.
The only sonic animations that are actually like the games are the OVA and Prime.
How is Prime like the games?
>Prime
>Making Rouge the Bat less sexualized
"Like the games" my ass
Post the last time Rouge looked as curvy as she did in SA2. I'll wait.
she's still plenty curvy and sexualized in everything after SA2. she didn't have an asscrack in sa2 but you look at her generations model and you can see it clear as day.
>"archie bad because too much fanfic"
>sega puts in place mandates
>"it's too boring now"
What do you even want?
Let them be creative but pull the leash when they want to go too far into cringe bullshit.
Remind yourself who's holding the leash here. Sega of Japan are soulless Japanese suits that hate anything that isn't a one to one DBZ reference. That's not exactly an environment that promotes creativity.
My point there is precisely that I want the ones holding the leash to be less moronic than they are right now.
Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between "Sonic isn't allowed to lose" and "I'll shove my OCs into this franchise and do the worst romance plots possible"
>wow, you hate both the frozen lake and the boiling lava huh?
>jeeze you people are never happy.
Other way around dipshit
Publishers approach the IP holders
SEGA doesn't care about the comics
They have ZERO reasons to care because they don't earn profit from their sales
They earn money from the publisher renewing a license to use the IP
>We don't need bad Sonic media
But most Sonic media (including games) are bad and yet customers keep buying them (except Sonic Boom).
You can criticize the character and all the over blown narrative focus all you want but saying she’s a mary sue is flat-out wrong.
It’s like criticizing Kim Jong Un for being a capitalist. You don’t understand what a mary sue is if you think Sally is one.
Shadow is a popular character though, which is why they push him so hard and even gave him his own game while no other Sonic character got their own 3D Sonic game.
>he's never played BigThe Cat's Froggy Cup Tournament Fishing
That's an April Fools Day joke meme game, probably made for free by a fan
Who thought it was a good idea to cover Sally with more clothes? And why are male characters allowed to be naked (except shoes and gloves) while female characters have to be fully dressed? They dont even allow pantyshots anymore at Sonic shows and games.
Because female Sonic characters have genitals while everyone else are all eunuchs. Their species reproduces by breeding with human males.
Honestly, I've always thought that the more clothes you put on a female character, the more sexual she looks. Sally and Fifi are good examples of this.
Not when their bodies get desexualized, like Sally's and Fifi's cases
I guess it depends on the person... the more they try to desexualize a character, the wilder my imagination runs trying to sexualize her.
Why is Sonic as in non Sonic fans ask this question when it isn't a question asked for any other fictional furry rat in any other cartoon show that has clothes on?
Is it just fact you're just mentally ill?
because it's inconsistent. In crash bandicoot games they have a uniform rule and don't treat the two genders completely different like that.
Member he was moronic sonic fan then do this to mom
Hyper Dimensional Neptunia and Horse Show had a bigger influence on Chris than Sonic ever did.
How does society in the sonic universe work? Do they have jobs and elected leaders? Why does Robotnik hate these animals so fiercely?
>How does society in the sonic universe work?
Explained in a Tails Tube. Sonic and his kind (still no overall name for them since they never used Mobians in the games) live on islands, while humans live on the mainlands (which we see in Unleashed)
>Do they have jobs and elected leaders?
Yes, there is a President as seen in A2 and StH
>Why does Robotnik hate these animals so fiercely?
No reason given, dude just wants to take over the world and his Badniks are powered by small animals.
The more i read in this thread, more i realized she's basically like the Krystal of Sonic in the way she was introduced and how most of the people feel about her
Krystal was in video games though, unlike Sally, and she was more useful than her. Such a shame she's playable only for the game's intro at Star Fox Adventure, unlike Dinosaur Planet where she had a much more active role. Still I find it weird (still welcome) that they made her much more sexualized at Star Fox reskin (her design and dressing at Dinosaur Planet was much more moderate).
sally was useful in all sorts of episodes and comics. she even has a super form in the last episode of SATAM!
what does being in videogames matter?
that's mostly just zoomers. most people were introduced to sally at the same time as sonic, tails, and robotnik, because the cartoon was the onboarding point for ALOT of kids in the 90's.
>what does being in videogames matter?
Because you compared a cartoon/comic character with a video game character, moron
Remember when a man made a "totally not sexdoll' of her with a human skeleton?
It's almost like one of the literal first few posts brought it up or something
have a nice day you brainless homosexual
>owns all of his recolor donuts
>including the most popular edgy sonic AND a variant of Sally
>that variant could legally be retooled into better resembling Sally and Sega would do nothing because at this point they're embarassed of 90's Sonic media
>this despite all the profits it could net them
at this point my only real gripe with penders is that he does nothing with any of the characters he owns. from a purely business perspective he could bankroll his gay echidna new gods series through scourge and sally autists alone and somehow this much hasnt dawned on him. really, it makes me wish I had the business panache to sell him on the idea.
>at this point my only real gripe with penders is that he does nothing with any of the characters he owns.
Because he CAN'T. Those characters are so intrinsically tied to Sonic that they're impossible to work with unless he resets everything about them from scratch, which misses the novelty of these characters to begin with. Plus seeing as he's been caught lying about the results of the court case it's questionable if he even has the rights to those characters at all. He could very well just be lying to people for attention.
>Those characters are so intrinsically tied to Sonic that they're impossible to work with unless he resets everything about them from scratch, which misses the novelty of these characters to begin with
That isnt entirely true. If Penders did win (and I want to believe that he did) he owns both the Anti-Mobius and Light Mobius continuities. Sure he cant reference things like chaos emeralds or zones explicitly but he can come up with new legally distinct terms and concepts based on them. There's also the fact that Sega has abandoned the entire "planet mobius" origin and setting since the super genesis wave because of the copyright clusterfrick it resulted in. On two fronts enough creative ground has been ceded to Penders that he could make alot of use of (if he actually owns these things). Looking over his echidna concept art shows that he's not ignorant to alot of these practices either considering Light Knuckles (now renamed K'nox) makes several appearances. What Im getting at is that he doesnt have to reset anything about them beyond potentially renaming and redesigning them to avoid brand confusion between his work and official sonic stuff proper. He won his stories over along with his characters, he just has to stick to those stories to make use of them.
The archie canon had the genesis wave remove any shred of his influence over the series. Penders can chose to either introduce something similar in his stories or just avoid acknowledging the copyright split outright. It even seems like that cancelled Scourge book was aiming to go for the latter. In the past Ive even come up with my own ideas for what to do with some of these characters. Even with the potential limitations considered I still think theres alot that could be done. Again that's if he actually did win.
Also, looking over the characters he supposedly won, there's three or four different contenders for Sally expies.
i remember every sonic character, especially the sexy ones. 🙂
It wasnt even Sega that made merchandise with Sally (except Sega World of Australia).
What the frick is with Sonic Zoomers and being obsessed with "accurate to the original intent" shit with everything? Mega Man fans don't fricking blow a gasket over spinoffs or even retcons. Imagine saying you liked Mega Man and sleeping on Battle Network Kino because it didn't have Robot Masters in it.
Battle Network anime was accurate to the games though, moron.
it wasn't accurate to the original megaman games. Y'know what else wasn't accurate to anything? Mega Man Fully Charged. You know what Mega Man fans still like? Fully Charged. They like the Ruby Spears show, too. It's just SONIC fans that are fricking morons.
>You know what Mega Man fans still like? Fully Charged.
Stop lying, moron
tell that to the fan artists.
Show was fun. sonic fans are just entitled autists who don't know how to be normal.
Didn't the creator of Aki's black sister went once to mmg to talk about the show and she was kicked out rather insultingly because it wasn't their beloved dicky Roll?
never heard of that. sounds fake and gay.
>Battle Network anime was accurate to the games though
HA
>Megaman and Lan aren't brothers
>Iceman was given to Froid's son because the showrunners wanted another male in Lan's friend group
>Sean is never seen in the anime, Gospel was lead by a dude named Kid Grave, who in turn was just a robot built by Wily
>Bass was changed from one of the first Solo Navis created to being built from the leftover data of PharaohMan (and PharaohMan never played a role in the games, only appearing in the post game of 1 and 2)
>Anetta was an eco terrorist in the games who used PlantMan, was changed to some poor sick girl who falsely believed her (made for the anime) navi Silk was deleted by ProtoMan
>Dr, Regal dies in the anime, where as in the games his memory gets wiped so he can start from scratch
>EVERY operator and navi introduced in BN6 lives in a separate dimension (called Beyondard) from every character introduced in BN1 to 5.
Despite all the changes it was still fun, but never accurate.
>Mega Man fans don't fricking blow a gasket over spinoffs or even retcons.
Bullshit, there are absolutely fans like that. Battle Network works because it's purposely divorced from the original as a new timeline (even within it's own subsection the manga, anime, and games have their own continuities but are still similar enough for people to not care), meanwhile it took Sega time to get their shit together and actually set things straight. For fricks sake, we have delusional people who thought that the DiC CARTOONS would take precedent for the games with characters and concepts that were not introduced and never going to be in. Can't blame them either considering the shilling that went into the western canon before being unceremoniously dropped. That's the real issue with the western/eastern continuities. How is it that the Mario and Zelda cartoons escaped this shit? Most likely because even with all the differences, they used characters that were always in the games, Bowser being a cross between himself and the Super Mario Land boss and the fairy that likes Link are still sort of faithful even then.
The megaman fanbase is nothing like the schizo fricking sonic fanbase.
chili dogs were introduced in the cartoons first and later brought into the games. we also saw nods to AOSTH and such with musical cues in the sonic mania adventures shorts. that stuff ABSOLUTELY happens in sonic. Sticks was made for sonic boom and yet SHE somehow gets a shout out in frontiers and gets to show up in the sonic channel manga and olympics games. that show didn't even PRETEND to be canon and yet you have ian flynn going "lmao sticks lmao" at the ass end of that game.
"It's ok for MMBN because it's a separate timeline, but FRICK the 90's Cartoons even though they were separate timelines!!!" real nice consistency there, brainiac.
Admit that you JUST have schizo hate boners for old sonic comics because you're insecure and saw them as rivals to the sonic comics YOU read.
>but FRICK the 90's Cartoons even though they were separate timelines!!!
Are you implying that people have a problem with the 90s MegaMan cartoons? Because they REALLY don't, if anything they're fondly remembered for being so damn cheesy you'd think they were made in Wisconsin.
Plus it's not like those cartoons were rife with OCs and plot points thay directly conflict with the games, unlike the DiC cartoons.
no i was mocking that guy for hating the 90's SONIC cartoons arbitrarily.
But at least that's understandable, seeing how they're part of a bigger issue that ultimately caused an absurd amount of damage to Sonic as a franchise. Nothing Mega Man's done is even close to as fanbase splitting as AoSTH/SatAM/Archie.
the only reason there's a "fanbase split" is because zoomers are toxic, antagonistic buttholes. noboy form the 90's or 00's is like this. most older people are fine with any sonic shit. it's all your fricking generation that grew up wrong.
Nowhere did I say I hated the 90's cartoons, ultimately what I'm getting at is that having separate canons was moronic because they just dropped it anyway. Just imagine if SoJ and SoA actually coordinated with each other.
>Insignificant shit like characters liking food that came from somewhere else
You don't seem to understand my point. We never see this shit about old cartoons like Megaman, Mario, and Zelda unlike with the Sega cartoons/western canon where people were actually lead to think it would be THE main continuity. I've only ever seen this with Sega. With MMBN, it was a spinoff plain and simple. Nobody thought they just erased the old games for a new continuity or something. I'm pretty sure Sonic Team had a hand in creating Sticks and have a bias towards her, even then the only thing we've recently had from her is just a name mention in the English script. I think she'll appear again but who knows when.
>Admit that you JUST have schizo hate boners for old sonic comics because you're insecure and saw them as rivals to the sonic comics YOU read.
lol, nobody was talking about the quality of the comics, I don't give a shit about your comic wars. I'm talking about the old discourse between the western/eastern continuities smartass.
there were literally two cartoons at the same time. those two shows don't even fit together. you're inventing this shit out of thin air. "canon" wasn't even that popular of a notion back then. most shows were just episodic and you weren't expected to watch every episode. it was NOVEL that SATAM's season 2 tried to have an overaching plot because that didn't HAPPEN in cartoons. No one thinks that sonic cartoons erase games from "continuity". You're a full on moron. you obviously weren't there, you're just some idiot fricking kid.
And no, sonic team didn't design sticks. big red button did.
there's no fricking "western continuity" you fricking moron. they're all spinoffs. literally no difference to what sonic does and what megaman does. you're just a moron.
>there were literally two cartoons at the same time. those two shows don't even fit together. you're inventing this shit out of thin air. "canon" wasn't even that popular of a notion back then. most shows were just episodic and you weren't expected to watch every episode. it was NOVEL that SATAM's season 2 tried to have an overaching plot because that didn't HAPPEN in cartoons.
Okay? What was the point of this?
>No one thinks that sonic cartoons erase games from "continuity".
That point was for MMBN, I was saying nobody thought they just made up a whole new continuity for the Megaman series. Using MMBN doesn't work here anyway because it's different from what I'm trying to say here.
"Western canon" as in whatever SoA had made up themselves before abandoning it for the sake of cohesion. Things like Eggman being called Robotnik until they merged it or Mobius being the official name of the planet or whatever. There was a point where stuff from this old canon was promoted/used until they stopped. There are still people who think we should've stuck to this and introduce characters from a cartoon that yes, were only meant for spin off cartoons and nothing else.
>Sticks
Some concepts show that the Sonic Channel artist helped with her design.
there wasn't "an old canon". every show was its own canon you fricking invalid. there are people that think eating shit is a good idea. why should i care what every fricking person thinks? Why should anyone care about your fricking straw man arguments? You can't even speak accurately about anything. Mega Man isn't even his Japanese Name. Sonic Zoomers are just pedantic little morons who are addicted to fighting on the internet.
You can't remember what's being said across more than 2 posts. It was to explain to you how ONLY sonic fans act like this big of morons. You tried to rationalize the other examples away but you barely fricking know anything about them so you can't. it sounds like you barely know jack shit about anything from before you were born.
the raccoons is about a post apocalypse nazi-toned empire with themes of tech vs nature?
You just have automatic opinions. It really just sounds like you haven't watched the shows, you just watched a youtuber talk about them.
>the raccoons is about a post apocalypse nazi-toned empire with themes of tech vs nature?
Pretty much, just less Nazi and more generic evil industrialist.
oh, so nothing alike then?
I can see you're too far up your own ass here to understand.
>Anon says Sally is shit
>Says he didn't read the comics
>Anon says he did read them and reiterates she is shit
>E-celeb shit out of nowhere
>Then Mina
I get it now.
non response, no point. typical.
I really don't understand the "i hate a sonic character" shit. they're not fricking real, they're not canon. you can do whatever you want with them. no one gives a frick. draw a girl from every sonic continuity in a big naked pile making out and shit.
>imagine caring as much as these Black folk do about which character the blue cartoon hedgehog kisses and then fighting people over your "ships". absolute trannies and women.
>that show didn't even PRETEND to be canon and yet you have ian flynn going "lmao sticks lmao" at the ass end of that game.
Thank you. I regret ever shilling him over Pontraff. At least Pontraff is shit and is shit because they don't give a shit, I rather have storygays seethe endlessly over having this one sperg I thought was just going to replace them as writers/localizers and nothing else, not actually dictate the fricking direction of Sonic itself. This "EVERYTHING IS CANON SO ADVENTUREgayS FRICKING WINNNN!!!" shit is the worse thing to happen to this IP. Having Sonic move forward like the Japs originally wanted and is now forced to pander to nostalgia forever is the death null for this IP without question.
>it didn't have Robot Masters in it.
Are you fricking STUPID or something?
Fireman.exe
Electman.exe and so on
Technically those aren't robot masters because the entire point of the EXE/Battle Network continuity is that Doctor Light got into making apps instead of robots. So there are no robots at all.
those are NET NAVIS, not ROBOT MASTERS. you fricking IDIOT.
they do and they did. sonic isn't such a precious fricking story that "continuity" matters. it has so many fricking spinoffs in america AND japan. this is an invented problem that doesn't actually exist.
>Uhm.. ACHTUALLY!
this is pathetic dude. Is still the same story but twisted in a way.
The 90s sonic shit only had sonic in name.
sonic and tails fought robots to save animals from dr robotnik. what exactly was different?
Is it that you actually don't know jack fricking shit about anything other than sonic and are just bullshitting and lying your fricking ass off to eek out a w online?
>it has sonic there it means its sonic!!
Lol lmao even. Keep defending backpack sonic
Lan has a backback in MMBN. oh wait you don't know anything about megaman. you just have one brain cell arguments.
That concept art was just some shit that was tossed around. the shows that they actually made still have alot of sonic DNA to them. Sonic Boom had just as unhinged and wild concept designs. that's just how concept phases go. you throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. it's not like they made an entire other show first. you don't understand what CONCEPT art is. you're dumb as fricking hell.
>Lan has a backback in MMBN.
What does that have to do with it being an AU?
do you even know who Lan is? You were just saying that it was the same basic thing. (Or are you gonna pull the "it was some other anon not me" card next?
they weren't ashamed of using stuff from the games. they used alot of stuff from the games. they even used the sonic theme song in AoStH in spots.
You didn't watch it, you're just talking out of your ass.
>do you even know who Lan is?
Lan Hikari, grandson of Tadashi Hikari, brother to Hub Hikari, aka Megaman.Exe. And yes anon, not everyone that disagrees with you is one person. More than one person can think SatAM missed the mark.
Honestly I don't even know why you guys brought up Megaman.Exe at all. I just saw it mentioned and wanted to chime in because I love those games. (The dub of the anime sucks though. Tons of unecessary name changes.)
>no dude the BN dude has a backpack! Ahaha
What are you rambling about schizo. My problem is that they were ashamed of using stuff from the game. Never that was a different tone!/ AU. Satam is the most generic fantasy shit setting ever. Aosth just looney tunes butblster on they try to use stuff from the games. Never watched underground but i know knux was there
it's not the same story at all. protoman isn't megaman's brother, roll isn't his sister, gutsman isn't evil, the net navis hack dishwashers and traffic lights instead of blowing up buildings. you seriously don't know anything about megaman lmao.
Even megaman x is almost nothing like the classic series. you're such a fricking tard.
Battle Network is an AU and that's fine.
>The 90s sonic shit only had sonic in name.
Oh I agree with you there. Sally was going to be human and Robotnic a wizard. It was really obviously a different show that had Sonic attached onto it and anyone that says otherwise is coping.
Anon, as a Mega Man fan in his mid-30s, the backlash against Legends and Battle Network was unreal. Even official publications like Nintendo's mexican official Magazine Club Nintendo shat on Mega Man 64, not due to any technical fault, but due to it "not being Mega Man", no stage select, no weapon stealing from bosses (instead you had to have Roll build them from you). Legends failed hard to find an audience.
People then fricking DESPISED BN, but Capcom didn't listen because it tested well and lo, had Capcom not fricked up by releasing BN4 the same year they released BN3 BLACK in Japan, with all the obvious cut corners to shit a sequel out, BN would still be ongoing. It was popular enough in Japan in it's heyday to actually be a threat to Pokémon domestically, a subject often discussed in the Japanese imageboard 5ch.
ZX tanked because people fricking hated the concept, people actually took X and Zero to an autistic degree, so seeing Vent and Aile, people felt outright "insulted", that "something as legendary as X and Zero's armors shouldn't be worn by randos, I'll wait for Zero 5 instead, Zero dies every thursday anyway". Star Force was hated as well, but ZX I wager had it worse, SF at least had 3 games.
When MM9 came out, it was a success that performed above expectations, and the general consessus online was "finally, true fricking Mega Man, no EXE bullshit, no Powered Up kiddie shit, no charge shot game breaker to diminish Special Weapons". As much as people like to pretend MM9 and 10 were failures, the reality is different.
I say this as someone who loves all Mega Man subseries equally, I witnessed all flavors of autism since 1999 online.
no one cares what mexicans think. (And yet, MMBN Legacy Collection is the highest selling megaman product of all time. WEIRD.)
The backlash was global, the magazine I only bring up as my go-to show even then-legit official media hated it. And it gets worse with the hateboner they had for BN, while sucking MMZ (and MMZ games are incredible, but their praise was super shallow, it was "it's a sidescroller so it's good", without any actual technical points on the combat system)
And unfortunately, it paid off. The only reason 11 wasn't made right after 10 was due to Inti being morons and burning a bridge with Capcom. MM10 was supposed to have online co-op and Inti failed to deliver. the exact same reason why Dragon Marked For Death languished 2 whole handheld generations.
It was discussed a couple of weeks back in /mmg/ in a sort of "lmao b***h deserves it for taking away our perfect dicky" mocking way.
>And yet, MMBN Legacy Collection is the highest selling megaman product of all time. WEIRD.
I forgot to add to this, this happened to the team being actually confident about BN, they focus-tested the SHIT out of it after the team's passion project (that being Legends) failed to grab an audience. Even if older fans felt alienated, they believed in the project and it paid. It paid big time. So much to the Japanese, quote, "Rockman X was a 90s fad, Rockman an 80s fad and ZERO never mattered. EXE was when Rockman became relevant". For better or worse. You don't get 4 full animes, 2 miniseries, 2 manga runs and a movie "just because", but the western fandom in places like Planet Mega Man there was a large clique that loved to shit on "BN kiddies" while The Undersquare basically was the retaliation of "frick NES nostalgiagays, the future is now oldfricks".
It was autistic, and yet I'm nostalgic for it.
Regardless! BNLC succeeding isn't a shock, it was the first franchise to pose a threat domestically to Pokémon ,the issue was Capcom got overly greedy and shot themselves in the foot thinking they could get away exploiting EXE the same way Toei do with Super Sentai and Kamen Rider, BN4 suffered horribly for it.
>When MM9 came out, it was a success that performed above expectations
Because it was literally made to rip off MM2 (the game that is worshiped like a god by the fanbase) in every way possible.
I propose a better idea: AOSTH and SonicX crossover
>Sonic X but it’s the AoStH cast that gets transported to Earth instead
I like the megaman cartoon because they redpect the source material
I despiste the somic 90s cartoons because they are sonic in name only
they don't respect the source materiel. the zelda cartoon was WAY off from the source materiel. the difference is that 90% of people don't fricking care about that kind of shit. they just want to enjoy what's in front of them.
>uhm you see satam is like the tmnt cartoon
No? They still used Mirage characters and setting even if they twisted stuff to be not that violent.
how are the sonic cartoons not similar twists? they take the same basic concepts and add a spin on them. take the fricking L and leave the thread, moron.
All they had in common is sonic tails and eggman in name only.
his name wasn't eggman, idiot.
There were also robots like scratch, grounder, coconuts, and buzzbombers. There were even chaos emeralds and power rings! They had just as much in common with the games and did as much of their own thing as the OVA did.
Oh right, you didn't actually watch it. You just copied your arguments from someone fricking else, didn't you?
Thats aosth. Actually like what they did to the badniks there.
>There were also robots like scratch, grounder, coconuts, and buzzbombers.
That's a different show. SatAM just has generic SWAT Bots, which is a major oversight and step down IMO.
satam had buzzbombers too, moron. Also, Sally, Rotor, and Bunnie were based on Ricky, Rocky, and Pocky.
>Also, Sally, Rotor, and Bunnie were based on Ricky, Rocky, and Pocky.
lol citation needed.
Coconuts is fricking unhinged. I miss that bastard.
It's interesting to see the effect that AoStH had one the franchise because the popularity of Scratch and Grounder was so great that eventually it made its way back to Sega and they said "okay let's just give Eggman two bungling sidekicks from now on"
Funny monke
Coconuts is underrated, Grounder gets woobied and Scratch has weird gay furry fans, where’s the love for Coconerd?
I'm a fan of him!
Listen I think SatAM is shit but to be fair to it all they had was the first game to work from. Tails is an afterthought because Sonic 2 wasn't even really out yet when the show was being made. Super Sonic wasn't a thing yet, Knuckles didn't exist.
If we're being EXTREMELY charitable all they had to work with was Sonic and Eggman and MAYBE Amy/Metal Sonic but even then I'd have to check the dates to see if CD was out in time to have an impact.
SatAM is dumb made up unrelated bullshit because they had to fill in a LOT of gaps. I don't think they did a good job of doing it, but I understand why they had to do it.
CD came out after sonic 2.
You're right. I always get them mixed up because CD was in development first but released second. That's why this easter egg was in CD.
She was a shit character in the comics and is never coming back. Sonic is better off without her existing.
have you even read them? (no you haven't lmao)
Nobody's ever coming back until fricking ian flynn throws them in a fricking idw comic or in a throwaway line in sonic frontiers.
If someone said "Omega is never coming back" you'd probably go into a hissy fit about team dark canon or some gay shit that nobody cares about.
>If someone said "Omega is never coming back" you'd probably go into a hissy fit about team dark canon or some gay shit that nobody cares about.
Probably not. Omega fans aren't driven by their boners. Sally fans are.
shadow fans are. he was never coming back for like almost a decade.
>have you even read them?
I was on the ride when it started. I was there for the break up, I was there for end game, I was there for that weird issue when half the pages were blank with text bubbles. I was there for Jack Kirby reborn as a furry.
Sally sucked in the comics. You can cry and write fanfics all you want, it's never going to happen.
Remember when Coconuts was supposed to re-unite and lead the badnik hoarde, but the whole damn island got sunk and only he survived?
Good times
is anyone else having a hearty kek at the very premise of this argument? we're watching robot autists have at it against funny animal autists. two of the most potent strains of autism duking it out like siths and jedi. top fricking kek
It feels more like falseflaggers bringing up Mega Man as "the chads" to cause in-fighting due to both sides having shared history in the Worlds Unite storylines.
i brought up a ton of other franchises with the "other franchises don't freak out at having alternate canons and spinoffs", but the other guy only responded to megaman because he doesn't have culture.
sounds like you just quoted alot of commonly talked about moments from youtubers.
>sounds like you just quoted alot of commonly talked about moments from youtubers.
Sure whatever you say newbie.
Sally is dead and she's never coming back.
I never said anything about Sally. I like Mina. She's skinny and cute as frick.
You just have automatic responses. You can't even track the conversation lmao.
Start here
got here
then
followed by
finally
Can you even read?
Also, yeah, Mina was better than sally, but that whole time period was just kind of weird.
tracking the conversation is more than just copy and pasting post codes. i can click up a reply chain. actually reading and keeping the information coherent is different.
None of the conversation was about Mina. Everything was about Sally being shit.
no it wasn't. it was about schizos not being able to accept having side canons as also getting to exist and said schizos getting into fights with ghosts.
When did anyone say anything about that?
BTW, masterful trolling on your part, really helping shit the thread up. All I need to do is be the reasonable one and the thread becomes more shit than Sally's character.
i wish mina got to have some sfw nudity before that comic ended. 🙁
Sally is a great character, hope seeing her in the upcoming sonic movie.
>Be Me
>Early 2000's
>Fat Nigerian kid
>Big fan of Archie Sonic Comic's
>Hate Archie Sonic's character
>Drew tons of austistic fanart of him getting beat up
I use to dream of NTR'ing Archie Sonic
I wish I was as based as you. I just daydream of archie sonic getting beaten the frick up inside my own head. He has it coming.
What really surprised me was Antoine with how much he grew as a character. He let go of his grudge/one-sided rivalry with Sonic, became braver and more competent, Accepted Sally will never love him and moved on which in turn got Sally to respect him, Won the heart of Bunnie, grew into a better friend, stopped letting Sonic get under his skin despite Sonic's constant attempts.
Amy and Sonic's own parents called Sonic out for this in the comics I'm surprised the other Freedom Fighter's still wanted to be his friend when he's such a insufferable jerk.
What the frick happened? Anyway, love both Sonic and Megaman cartoons for the nostalgia, love Sonic Adventure for making me a Sonic fan, love BN for being my gateway to Megaman as a whole.
Sally didn't do anything wrong (taking Sonic back was her biggest sin)
why are by now middle aged men so sickly obsessed with this character? They're all so weird and creepy
>just now
they grew up with the character genius
and haven't grown up yet it seems
did you put that much together just now?
I want my fricking Archie continuity back. I want it back right fricking now. I want Potto fired, I want Penders hanged for his treason, and I want Sonic to have stories on par with Adventure 2 again.
http://archiesoniconline.com/
>Riverdale was what ripped the band aid that held Archie Sonic
I still can't believe it got that big.
who's going to pick up the sonic rights from IDW when they inevitably collapse?
Possibly no one.
I doubt it's worth the headache of dealing with Sally fans and their autistic rage that she isn't real
IDW really was the only place they could have gone. Antarctic Press is where you go if you want to print something no one else will touch, but that's a sign of weakness. I don't see Sonic fitting in with Dark Horse or Image. Marvel and DC is just a laughable idea. The bridge to Archie was burned LONG ago. Everything else just seems too small to do the job.
I can see your logic but I think Skybound/Image could pick it up. They already have some licensed all ages books between ninjago and monkie kid. Sonic would be a pretty big deal if they were looking to expand into that market. Sonic autists would flock to it regardless. If not them then I can see Boom! going in for Sonic since all ages is their specialty.
Unrelated but I can also see Darkhorse picking up TMNT and Godzilla off IDW's corpse. They desperately need some new cash cows after Marvel took Predator, Aliens, and Star wars from them and they already have history with Goji and the Turtles.
>They already have some licensed all ages books between ninjago and monkie kid.
I suppose that's possible, but I feel like that would lead to Sonic becoming more aimed for kids than teens. Well, maybe we'd get lucky and they'll just adapt the games in order. Archie failed to adapt SA1 and SA2, so maybe there's hope.
>Unrelated but I can also see Darkhorse picking up TMNT and Godzilla off IDW's corpse.
I can't agree more. But I also wouldn't mind Marvel getting Godzilla just so we can have a certain book reprinted.
> I feel like that would lead to Sonic becoming more aimed for kids than teens
after the success of the films that much seems unavoidable
>wouldn't mind Marvel getting Godzilla just so we can have a certain book reprinted
for what its worth I could see darkhorse making a deal with marvel to reprint the old godzilla series themselves. they did so with conan, star wars, and a handful of other marvel series.
>they did so with conan, star wars, and a handful of other marvel series.
Yes, but Godzilla is different. It has the Avengers, Fantastic 4, Devil Dinosaur, and he's constantly being hunted by Shield. This isn't like Transformers where they can just remove Spider-man. There's no way in hell that Marvel will give them a deal that won't drive them bankrupt.
you forget that we live in a time where rom AND micronauts are both getting reprinted. marvel is strapped for cash in all respects. Its more plausible now than it has been ever before.
I'm going to draw Tangle slamming Sally while Whisper cheers one of these days
IDW kun is in this thread seething, yes? Before I scroll down I mean.
If so, good, frick Sally and frick Sallygays.
Don’t know who your boogeyman is and don’t care. Go back to r/eddit from whence you came, maggot.
What about rosemary prower?
I just hope it's a fresh start with new blood.
>getting mad about others being mad about a fictional character
autism. it's not like it's unique to sonic either.
I know you just wanna post that comic
Imagine caring about Sonic canon.
It's like Dragon Ball, "canon" means something will continue to be used in future productions, while noncanon stuff gets left behind. That's why people care about canon.