They use projectile weapons regularly in this including bombs that can penetrate shields. Wtf is the point of melee combat again? Just use miniturized version of those drill-bombs but with guns
anyone using nukes gets dogpiled by the rest of them and wiped out, the potential for destruction is just too great - especially on arrakis, the most important planet in the universe
it's the usual need to have medieval fantasy with knights but set in le future
so they make up more and more moronic reasons as to why you HAVE to fight in melee
The idea that all these warrior-survivors of hell world doing some ritual that seemed to include live sacrifice done by hanging several presumably lesser soldiers, decimation style, upside down and slitting their throats.
Because of all Villeneuve's changes, it's the only one that improved upon the book. We know almost nothing of Sardaukar life because Herbert never really defined it except in generalities. Funky blood rituals in the rain is lore gold.
>Because of all Villeneuve's changes, it's the only one that improved upon the book. We know almost nothing of Sardaukar life because Herbert never really defined it except in generalities. Funky blood rituals in the rain is lore gold.
I don't think herbert saw the Sarduakar as interesting outside of them being shock troops that the emperor uses the threat of to keep the houses in line. Most things in Dune are generalities until you get to God-Emperor.
One of the themes in the book is the power of faith contrasted by the love of luxury. Fremen are the only ones with real religious conviction in the book, while the both the houses and sardaukar fight for wealth, silk underwear and poofy hats.
Movie goes for traditional Hollywood morality, where religious fanaticism is a trait of the evil (who are destined to be destroyed by the goodies) while fremen are made into opressed minorities suffering under colonialism.
>legendary elite warrior corps that directly serves the emperor of the universe >look like generic npcs with poorly-fitted spacesuits >never shown doing anything interesting or impressive >easily killed by some fat hawaiian guy
villeneuve is a hack
To be fair, Duncan Idaho was a 10th-level Ginaz swordmaster. Sardaukar average at 6th-level, which is still like four levels higher than House regulars.
>He is no way a G/Mary Sue.
How is he not?
In the first book he is the bestest sword fighter ever, easily becomes best friends with the fremen and then dies a heroic death to save the protagonists.
Then in the next books he becomes a mentat so he is now also one of the most intelligent characters. He fricks Paul's sister and at the end saves the day again by sparking a rebellion.
Then he gets cloned multiple times because he is so awesome and becomes the only male commander in the God Emporer's army of hot amazonian women. And because he is the pinnacle of manliness, he is used in the Emporer's breeding program to create the ultimate human and save the human race.
The character is fricking awful and is one of the reasons I dropped the series in the fourth book. I wonder if he was Herbert's weird self-insert.
don't forget him cucking God Emperor with that Tleilaxu weapon
Duncan is the Gary Sue of Dune, I'm fairly certain there's a part in the books where a woman cums just from watching him climb a mountain, that's how good he is
>He is no way a G/Mary Sue.
How is he not?
In the first book he is the bestest sword fighter ever, easily becomes best friends with the fremen and then dies a heroic death to save the protagonists.
Then in the next books he becomes a mentat so he is now also one of the most intelligent characters. He fricks Paul's sister and at the end saves the day again by sparking a rebellion.
Then he gets cloned multiple times because he is so awesome and becomes the only male commander in the God Emporer's army of hot amazonian women. And because he is the pinnacle of manliness, he is used in the Emporer's breeding program to create the ultimate human and save the human race.
The character is fricking awful and is one of the reasons I dropped the series in the fourth book. I wonder if he was Herbert's weird self-insert.
I wonder if Jason Momoa knows what he signed up for when he was cast. If the movies get to God Emperor the shit his character is going to wind up doing is... weird.
They will never reach God Emperor. Villeneuve has already said he would leave after Messiah, and Children is a guaranteed flop without a really talented director.
>his character is going to wind up doing is... weird
Entire God Emperor shit is weird. However I'd watch a war between Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres
I wonder if Jason Momoa knows what he signed up for when he was cast. If the movies get to God Emperor the shit his character is going to wind up doing is... weird.
Can you guys expand on what you mean by "weird". Never read the books.
son of paul becames a giant worm. He's prescient and omnipotent and he can access the memory of everyone that ever lived. He's all of us.
He rules with an iron fist and wiener blocks all of humanity for 3500 years. He keeps cloning Duncan and kill them whenever they get aware of who they are or when he's bored of them. He's also a bit of an incel and he is very bored.
>I'm fairly certain there's a part in the books where a woman cums just from watching him climb a mountain
Kek, I don't know which one is worse, that old perv Herbert unironically writing about a moronic fanatic 7 foot virgin amazon spontaneously cumming watching a guy climb a cliff or the fact that my brain decided to forget about it.
>poorly-fitted spacesuits
Lol they're fricking alibaba motorcycle jackets and pants, some anon posted a link to the actual ones they bought and made almost no changes to. Poorly fitted spacesuits would at least be an attempt.
Its kinda the point that these elite warriors started to get pampered, so they get bodied when they face the freemen that are hardened by their enviroment, also duncan is op
>Villeneuve is a hack
Maybe, but Herbert is an even bigger hack with paper-thin science in his "sci-fi" opus. 40K seems like hard sci-fi compared to Dune's bullshit inconsistencies.
Honestly the shield system is such a stupid plot device. If you shoot it it'll cause a nuclear explosion. All right get all of the enemy forces formed up and have one sniper shoot one of them and they'll all explode.
The entire reason shields work the way they do is to encourage a return to melee weapons, and the entire reason a return to melee weapons was desired was so Herbert could write that fight between Paul and Janis.
It's true. Herbert dreamed up that fight and thought it was so cool he backwrote all the justifications for it happening.
And to be fair, it is a cool scene. It's cool in the book and the movie did a good job with it, too.
It wasn't an initiation ritual. The guy Paul fought had a legitimate grievance and was well within his rights in Fremen culture to call him out. I mean, he was a butthurt homosexual who let his temper and hatred of outsiders get the best of him, but the fight was sanctioned by their laws.
They also don't live in huts, they have networks of underground caves and even a few high tech outposts with sophisticated manufacturing equipment. They've been harvesting, processing, and illegally smuggling the spice for decades.
It wasn't an initiation ritual. The guy Paul fought had a legitimate grievance and was well within his rights in Fremen culture to call him out. I mean, he was a butthurt homosexual who let his temper and hatred of outsiders get the best of him, but the fight was sanctioned by their laws.
They also don't live in huts, they have networks of underground caves and even a few high tech outposts with sophisticated manufacturing equipment. They've been harvesting, processing, and illegally smuggling the spice for decades.
The scene bothered me a bit because it portrayed the Fremen as complete hardasses and I suspect part 2 will double down on it although the Fremen have a lot more range to them than that. Sometimes even a goofy people, like the chapter with Thufir in the desert.
The fremen are just arabs. Frank Hebert openly stated he based Dune on Lawrence of Arabia and in fact had to change his initial story because it was a little too similar. There's an argument and some evidence for nomadic or livestock-herding peoples, such as the bedouin in question, to be shorter tempered, supposedly because if they tolerate another group using their water or grazing on their fields, it threatens their survival, but unlike settled peoples, the nomads can't guard these resources, so they benefit from more proactively attacking encroachers. Shit like this is why I gave up on sci-fi. I thought Foundation was cool, then learned about the role of christianity after the fall of the Roman empire. Sci fi authors write for premises, not characters, and the premises are almost all re-hashed. It's more interesting to watch historical documentaries than yet another "X but in space"
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How the frick did you read all of foundation and not know it was based on the rise and fall of the Roman Empire?
I hope they keep making these movies until they reach Frank Herbert's last book of the saga thousands of years in the future, Chapterhouse Dune, where the REAL heroes and saviors of humanity are finally revealed: the israelites.
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I really wanted to like this flick and it had a lot of potential but villeneuve being intent on making some kind of Lawrence of Arabia in space really sucks all the fun and magic out of it. Frick off with the lengthy indulgent shots of nothing happening and make a sci fi adventure. I really hope the second one is more eventful and has less of villeneuves cheap derivative "artsy" wank.
What fricking sci-fi adventure do you want from Dune's first book. It has no starship battles with lasers and space marines. It has however a list of 50 poisons and 60 mind-enhancing drugs on the very first hundred pages.
Dune is Lawrance of Arabia meets the Hippie's Vademecum.
I haven't read the books.
All the important sequences that drive the story forward are fine, the ambush is great even, but padding it out with masturbatory establishing shots or landscapes just makes it a drag to watch. The whole movie is just a setup for for the sequels, I don't need to see shots lifted from 2001 a space odyssey, apocalypse now or whatever villeneuve beats off to, especially when it's followed by aquaman defeating a group of supersoldiers. It's jarring.
combat is clearly not tied to being camoflagued and you always see your opponents, so why aren't they decked the frick out?
when people fight people without a concern for stealth, showing off status, wealth, or intimidation is a key factor. they should all be wearing rich colours, or rather everyone else should be while these mega-elite killer dudes have some kind of more basic uniform that just says "We arrive to kill, nothing else matters"
i entered the Dune franchise by buying the game Emperor battle for due when i was in my forming years.
To me thats a better setting with the changes they made in that game.
Ordos being a literal made up faction that took much of the harkonnens vile guile, but not all of it once i learned the true origins of the setting i didnt mind. Because they compensated by making the harkonnens more hardass and not cowardly evil like they are portrayed with subterfuge, in Emperor batle for dune they are a literal ox, full force forward frick you. and the soundtrack reflects that.
>scour all of google for a leak of dune part 2 >find nothing >and then there's that dmca complaint listed
i realize that i came too late to the pirate party
but has anyone here actually watched the dune part 2 leak?
also is the leak still there? in other words, did i not search hard enough?
They throw down strings to climb down in the scene before this. They weren't trying to hide the strings/ropes because this is not supposed to be a scene of Sardakar 'floating'.
They use projectile weapons regularly in this including bombs that can penetrate shields. Wtf is the point of melee combat again? Just use miniturized version of those drill-bombs but with guns
technology bad
Villeneuve is a hack.
You could just move, the parked ships could not
Hand grenades should be the meta. The Shockwave would throw people around even with shields.
The meta in the book seems to be heavy artillery.
heavy artillery was always meta
suicide bombers via laser gun nukes would be better
>suicide bombers via laser gun nukes would be better
Nukes are defacto outlawed due to MAD.
anyone using nukes gets dogpiled by the rest of them and wiped out, the potential for destruction is just too great - especially on arrakis, the most important planet in the universe
They can't use shields on the open desert. Makes the sandworms go on a frenzy
Then there's no reason not to use lazguns
it's the usual need to have medieval fantasy with knights but set in le future
so they make up more and more moronic reasons as to why you HAVE to fight in melee
he better be in part 2
He's currently finishing up his set in FL Studio. I don't think he'll make it in time for Part 2's release date, anon
I liked dune but why was this guy actually the best thing about it
The idea that all these warrior-survivors of hell world doing some ritual that seemed to include live sacrifice done by hanging several presumably lesser soldiers, decimation style, upside down and slitting their throats.
Because of all Villeneuve's changes, it's the only one that improved upon the book. We know almost nothing of Sardaukar life because Herbert never really defined it except in generalities. Funky blood rituals in the rain is lore gold.
>Because of all Villeneuve's changes, it's the only one that improved upon the book. We know almost nothing of Sardaukar life because Herbert never really defined it except in generalities. Funky blood rituals in the rain is lore gold.
I don't think herbert saw the Sarduakar as interesting outside of them being shock troops that the emperor uses the threat of to keep the houses in line. Most things in Dune are generalities until you get to God-Emperor.
Absolute horseshit.
One of the themes in the book is the power of faith contrasted by the love of luxury. Fremen are the only ones with real religious conviction in the book, while the both the houses and sardaukar fight for wealth, silk underwear and poofy hats.
Movie goes for traditional Hollywood morality, where religious fanaticism is a trait of the evil (who are destined to be destroyed by the goodies) while fremen are made into opressed minorities suffering under colonialism.
Good to see Jean Michel Jarre still working.
There's not much Oxygene on that world.
Why did they dub the Sardaukar leader speaking a gibberish language? His lips are clearly speaking English
>greatest warriors in the galaxy
>wear cloth space suits with a one handed sword
>legendary elite warrior corps that directly serves the emperor of the universe
>look like generic npcs with poorly-fitted spacesuits
>never shown doing anything interesting or impressive
>easily killed by some fat hawaiian guy
villeneuve is a hack
To be fair, Duncan Idaho was a 10th-level Ginaz swordmaster. Sardaukar average at 6th-level, which is still like four levels higher than House regulars.
I can;t tell if this post is mocking Dune or that it's actually described like this.
It is actually described like that.
Both. He’s making fun of it, but it is that fricking dry. Reads like a technical manual.
well shit I was about to start chapterhouse
don't forget him cucking God Emperor with that Tleilaxu weapon
Duncan is the Gary Sue of Dune, I'm fairly certain there's a part in the books where a woman cums just from watching him climb a mountain, that's how good he is
>Duncan is the Gary Sue of Dune
Stops parroting terms you do not know the meaning of. He is no way a G/Mary Sue.
>He is no way a G/Mary Sue.
How is he not?
In the first book he is the bestest sword fighter ever, easily becomes best friends with the fremen and then dies a heroic death to save the protagonists.
Then in the next books he becomes a mentat so he is now also one of the most intelligent characters. He fricks Paul's sister and at the end saves the day again by sparking a rebellion.
Then he gets cloned multiple times because he is so awesome and becomes the only male commander in the God Emporer's army of hot amazonian women. And because he is the pinnacle of manliness, he is used in the Emporer's breeding program to create the ultimate human and save the human race.
The character is fricking awful and is one of the reasons I dropped the series in the fourth book. I wonder if he was Herbert's weird self-insert.
I wonder if Jason Momoa knows what he signed up for when he was cast. If the movies get to God Emperor the shit his character is going to wind up doing is... weird.
They will never reach God Emperor. Villeneuve has already said he would leave after Messiah, and Children is a guaranteed flop without a really talented director.
>his character is going to wind up doing is... weird
Entire God Emperor shit is weird. However I'd watch a war between Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres
Can you guys expand on what you mean by "weird". Never read the books.
We're talking about a power suit made of sand trouts, twincest, chapter-long psychedelic acid trips, and the list goes on
son of paul becames a giant worm. He's prescient and omnipotent and he can access the memory of everyone that ever lived. He's all of us.
He rules with an iron fist and wiener blocks all of humanity for 3500 years. He keeps cloning Duncan and kill them whenever they get aware of who they are or when he's bored of them. He's also a bit of an incel and he is very bored.
He can't be a Gary Stu if he died, no?
>I'm fairly certain there's a part in the books where a woman cums just from watching him climb a mountain
Kek, I don't know which one is worse, that old perv Herbert unironically writing about a moronic fanatic 7 foot virgin amazon spontaneously cumming watching a guy climb a cliff or the fact that my brain decided to forget about it.
>poorly-fitted spacesuits
Lol they're fricking alibaba motorcycle jackets and pants, some anon posted a link to the actual ones they bought and made almost no changes to. Poorly fitted spacesuits would at least be an attempt.
Seems like you have an issue with the source material, not Dennis
no, it's with plebneuve and his terrible aesthetic sense.
>not wearing blue Harko uniforms
Frick Hackneuve the fricking hack. FRICK YOU.
Honestly weird they didn't include that.
Its kinda the point that these elite warriors started to get pampered, so they get bodied when they face the freemen that are hardened by their enviroment, also duncan is op
>Villeneuve is a hack
Maybe, but Herbert is an even bigger hack with paper-thin science in his "sci-fi" opus. 40K seems like hard sci-fi compared to Dune's bullshit inconsistencies.
Honestly the shield system is such a stupid plot device. If you shoot it it'll cause a nuclear explosion. All right get all of the enemy forces formed up and have one sniper shoot one of them and they'll all explode.
The landsraad enforced it. Anyone who broke the rules would suffer annihilation and it was all agreed upon
The entire reason shields work the way they do is to encourage a return to melee weapons, and the entire reason a return to melee weapons was desired was so Herbert could write that fight between Paul and Janis.
It's true. Herbert dreamed up that fight and thought it was so cool he backwrote all the justifications for it happening.
And to be fair, it is a cool scene. It's cool in the book and the movie did a good job with it, too.
>wasting your best soldiers on some stupid initiation ritual
This is why those morons are still living in sand huts
It wasn't an initiation ritual. The guy Paul fought had a legitimate grievance and was well within his rights in Fremen culture to call him out. I mean, he was a butthurt homosexual who let his temper and hatred of outsiders get the best of him, but the fight was sanctioned by their laws.
They also don't live in huts, they have networks of underground caves and even a few high tech outposts with sophisticated manufacturing equipment. They've been harvesting, processing, and illegally smuggling the spice for decades.
The scene bothered me a bit because it portrayed the Fremen as complete hardasses and I suspect part 2 will double down on it although the Fremen have a lot more range to them than that. Sometimes even a goofy people, like the chapter with Thufir in the desert.
The fremen are just arabs. Frank Hebert openly stated he based Dune on Lawrence of Arabia and in fact had to change his initial story because it was a little too similar. There's an argument and some evidence for nomadic or livestock-herding peoples, such as the bedouin in question, to be shorter tempered, supposedly because if they tolerate another group using their water or grazing on their fields, it threatens their survival, but unlike settled peoples, the nomads can't guard these resources, so they benefit from more proactively attacking encroachers. Shit like this is why I gave up on sci-fi. I thought Foundation was cool, then learned about the role of christianity after the fall of the Roman empire. Sci fi authors write for premises, not characters, and the premises are almost all re-hashed. It's more interesting to watch historical documentaries than yet another "X but in space"
How the frick did you read all of foundation and not know it was based on the rise and fall of the Roman Empire?
I was in highschool at the time.
IIRC the nuke explosion happens only with laser weapons, and the laser emitter also explodes
Its been a while since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure the explosion can happen randomly at either the point of impact or the emitter or both.
I hope they keep making these movies until they reach Frank Herbert's last book of the saga thousands of years in the future, Chapterhouse Dune, where the REAL heroes and saviors of humanity are finally revealed: the israelites.
I kid you not.
>the israelites.
And Bene Gesserit didnt know about them for tens of thousand years.
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goofy ahh lookin crackas
>these are the penal troops we were talking about
>what were their crimes?
>breaking da spaghetti, putting pineapple on pizza...
>mamma mia!
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Good morning Sardaukar
Will they show him raping children in part 2?
They don't have the balls. Even though he's literally the villain they don't have the balls.
they also didn't have the balls to have him be really fat like in the books, because they where afraid to upset the landwhales
He was already supposed to hatefrick a Paul lookalike in part one I wouldn't bet on it.
You get a glimpse of some child slaves in his dungeon boudoir.
What about this design
Normies would call it a mandalorian rip-off
the costume design in this movie is horrendously bad
I really wanted to like this flick and it had a lot of potential but villeneuve being intent on making some kind of Lawrence of Arabia in space really sucks all the fun and magic out of it. Frick off with the lengthy indulgent shots of nothing happening and make a sci fi adventure. I really hope the second one is more eventful and has less of villeneuves cheap derivative "artsy" wank.
What fricking sci-fi adventure do you want from Dune's first book. It has no starship battles with lasers and space marines. It has however a list of 50 poisons and 60 mind-enhancing drugs on the very first hundred pages.
Dune is Lawrance of Arabia meets the Hippie's Vademecum.
I haven't read the books.
All the important sequences that drive the story forward are fine, the ambush is great even, but padding it out with masturbatory establishing shots or landscapes just makes it a drag to watch. The whole movie is just a setup for for the sequels, I don't need to see shots lifted from 2001 a space odyssey, apocalypse now or whatever villeneuve beats off to, especially when it's followed by aquaman defeating a group of supersoldiers. It's jarring.
Lawerence of Arabia was a great adventure movie though. Dune is fricking boring except for the sequels.
>in space
it's not in space
it's on a desert planet
What do you think is his take on the new films
combat is clearly not tied to being camoflagued and you always see your opponents, so why aren't they decked the frick out?
when people fight people without a concern for stealth, showing off status, wealth, or intimidation is a key factor. they should all be wearing rich colours, or rather everyone else should be while these mega-elite killer dudes have some kind of more basic uniform that just says "We arrive to kill, nothing else matters"
i entered the Dune franchise by buying the game Emperor battle for due when i was in my forming years.
To me thats a better setting with the changes they made in that game.
Ordos being a literal made up faction that took much of the harkonnens vile guile, but not all of it once i learned the true origins of the setting i didnt mind. Because they compensated by making the harkonnens more hardass and not cowardly evil like they are portrayed with subterfuge, in Emperor batle for dune they are a literal ox, full force forward frick you. and the soundtrack reflects that.
That is MY dune
Me floating down to take a seat in my 3am screening
>3am screening
Wow
Is this a thing? Where are u from?
They are totally not on wires!
>scour all of google for a leak of dune part 2
>find nothing
>and then there's that dmca complaint listed
i realize that i came too late to the pirate party
but has anyone here actually watched the dune part 2 leak?
also is the leak still there? in other words, did i not search hard enough?
My mom told me I'm the Kwisatz Haderach
this looks so bad the dude on the back is just someone with a string attached and there was no effort to hide it
They throw down strings to climb down in the scene before this. They weren't trying to hide the strings/ropes because this is not supposed to be a scene of Sardakar 'floating'.
Yes it is