And a lot of the tweets comes from people dog-pilling just because it's not like the games. A lot of it also stems from inflicted bias they have from interacting with the older fandom.
What's with the raise of game purists?
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>Twitter
>inflicted bias from interacting with the older fandom
how is that possible if they're on twitter?
>not like the games
SatAM was like the games though. sonic is an eco terrorist because robotnik destroys the environment. lvl 7 in sonic 2 is oil ocean zone. lvl 2 in sonic 2 is chemical plant zone. lvl 8 also has to do with industrialism.
in sonic an knuckles, hidden palace zone has a mural on the wall. with all of those motifs plus a floating island, sonic looks exactly like what an homage to nausicaa and castle in sky. sonic looks like an homage to hayao miyazaki
there are badniks that explode, there are multiple explosives in the games and there's an episode of SatAM that begins with sonic running around robotropolis strategically placing IEDs. sonic spinball has the freedom fighters in one of the bonus levels
the instruction book for sonic 1 literally says save the animals. who the frick are these "game purists"? SatAM is closer to the game than Adventures because having an occasional loopty loop is fine but still only a single talking point a child would have
if you think of game purists as people who think sonic shows should be like the games from the 2000s onwards, you're just talking to fans of shitty low tier shows
>sonic is an eco terrorist
Terrorist is kind of an odd word to use here.
no it isn't. freedom fighters are terrorists
Robotnik is the one using terror to impose his rules.
Yeah, terrorists threaten/kill people (like Avalanche in FF7). Sonic just does destruction of property (like Greenpeace).
You don’t even have to go that far.
The plot of sonic the hedgehog one is that Dr. Robotnik captures all the critters and outs them inside his robots to take over the world.
SatAM’s plot is sonic is part of a resistance fighting robotnik who captures animals and turns them into robots.
The most glaring difference is that sonic doesn’t free the animals by destroying the robots like he does in the games. Obviously it had to add more characters and a deeper story because it’s no longer a 16bit platformer, but it’s arguably one of the closest adaptations of any video game to a show
except SatAM goes further and makes it more meaningful when uncle chuck overrides his hostile programming and regains his consciousness and memories. your mind is what makes you free just as much if not more than your body
>the instruction book for sonic 1 literally says save the animals. who the frick are these "game purists"?
The people who only consider the Japanese manuals as canon.
then they should post a translation of the japanese instruction manual
This is moronic driel. SatAM was like the games only in a purely superficial sense. It retains none of the tone or atmosphere of the games. The games were inspired by classic Looney Tunes antics, not genric YA tier dystopia fiction.
those are certainly words
trolling 1/10
>The games were inspired by classic Looney Tunes antics
Don't be moronic, they were more inspired by Ghibli movies like Laputa.
Not OP but a game purist methinks would've wanted a cartoon more in like with the 90's OVA, that seemed to resemble the visual design and mood of the shows better than SatAM did.
I also fricking hate Dulcy.
I’m not sure it was meant to be a Sonic cartoon at all. At one point Robotnik looked like this.
There's so many different Sonic series that I just tend to judge them as their own thing rather than how they interpret or adapt the games.
I don't dislike SatAM because it's not like the games (wasn't a lot to work with then), I dislike it because it's fricking boring. Archie did its whole concept better.
That's just a case of DIC being DIC, try watching Captain N sometime, they really did not give a shit about accuracy. As long as the approval from SoA, it was ok for them (was denied in that case).
also Double Dragon, good Gad, Double Dragon
DiC being unable to afford outsourcing Japanese companies made them go frick it
>weird guy with horns
they just made that a different character. someone just wanted that character design
It was always intended to be a Sonic cartoon. Video game cartoons of that era commonly took insane liberties with the designs. You can’t just change a cartoon completely mid-production.
>Video game cartoons of that era commonly took insane liberties with the designs.
but DiC tho?
Yeah, look at Captain N.
Simon is as far as they strayed with a reoccurring main character
Simon in that show is like a combination of Zapp Brannigan and Launchpad McQuack
I at least get what they were going for. And Simon has so many different design anyways. Having the blue bomber be a little green guy with a frog voice was just confusing. Specially when "Kid Icarus" was pretty damn close to Pit.
idk why people had difficulties with megaman back then.
the ruby-spears cartoon eventually got it right.
Ah, I can explain this one! Blues and greens would basically change between each other depending on how uncalibrated the TINT was on the CRT. When I was a kid, the CRT I had had the calibration a tad wrong, so Captain N Mega Man looked blue rather than green. Then in 2010, when I was in college, I got a CRT for 3 bucks on a thrift store and decided to play Mega Man 10 on that, and instead what happened was that Mega Man looked green and I had to fiddle with it. So I assume something like this was the case with the DiC people, they saw a green Mega Man and rolled with it.
I've heard rumors Quint was a deliberate jab at their expense.
>I've heard rumors Quint was a deliberate jab at their expense.
doubt it. dumb to put him in a game without color, then.
I can see where Naugus came from.
>dog-pilling
what could satam possibility have to do with white women?
Sonic series would benefit from more dog characters
>just because it's not like the games
It's also not very good.
It's also because a lot of the fans of it are really obviously only into it because they want to frick Sally. Which isn't a bad thing in of itself, it's that they're not as good at hiding it as they think they are.
>Which isn't a bad thing in of itself,
It is when the "best" version of the character is meh at best.
you prefer the 'depth' of Amy?
oh keep in mind that the kingdom that Sally wants to liberate from Robotnik is second only to Mewni's monarchy in being assbackwards
>Sally
>not Bunnie
Sally's the one who gets shipped all the time with Sonic.
How is that supposed to make her more attractive?
I know. Just wanted to bring this up.
It's the truth. Don't ask me why most people have bad taste.
>that detailed pic explaining bunny rabbott's anatomy and how her cybernetics work
>only into it because they want to frick Sally.
This is a moronic ass belief
>only into it because they want to frick Sally.
I always see this belief in regards to this show and comic and it's always fricking moronic. Can you imagine it being used for other stuff? "Hurr durr, you only like the Uncle Scrooge comics because you want to frick Donald" (I would, but that's besides the point)
Is it that ridiculous to believe that people would enjoy it for other reasons?
You having a normal one, man?
Ooh, the thought of Donald's big fluffy bottom rubbing on my wiener, ooooooohhhh
Anyways, I like Carl Bark's writing, art and characters, I'm sure SatAM fans enjoy their show for the same reason
I meant the part where you quoted and responded to the same thing twice.
Let me propose a scenario to you.
SATAM gets brought back for a third season. All the voice cast returns, but in the first episode of this new season Sally gets killed off for drama. This is a non negotiable caveat, let's say because her voice actor doesn't want to do it.
Would you still want the third season?
Because the last time I asked these threads that question the overwhelming majority answered in the negative.
>SATAM gets brought back for a third season. All the voice cast returns, but in the first episode of this new season Sally gets killed off for drama.
I don't think that's what the Sea3on team has planed
In this scenario they have to come up with a new plot. So answer the question.
>let's say because her voice actor doesn't want to do it.
The new VA they found is thrilled about the role. Why would she not want to do it?
Damn, you're desperate not to say "I would watch a SatAM continuation with Sonic, Tails, Rotor, Bunnie, Antoine, but not Sally."
see
Not the same thing as saying I don't want to frick Sally.
Also, I was not the anon you were asking to in the first place, but yeah I would still watch it, even if it doesn't make sense.
My dude you are trying way so hard to avoid answering a question about a hypothetical scenario that you've already confirmed your answer.
1. the question has been answered
>but yeah I would still watch it, even if it doesn't make sense.
>If it was entertaining and written well enough, yes, I would watch
2. Asking this question still doesn't make sense as the point of argument is if people were only watching the show because they wanted to frick Sally, which isn't the same thing as wanting to watch a show because they want to see Sally in it.
You do realise that he is arguing against "they just like SatAM because they want to frick Sally" point, right?
-wanting to frick Sally
and
-wanting Sally to not die
aren't really the same thing.
>They don't want to bone her, they just wouldn't watch the show if she was gone.
lmao
>>They don't want to bone her, they just wouldn't watch the show if she was gone.
Yeah, anon. Not the same thing. I don't know how you can equate the two.
Many people wouldn't have watched the new season of Futurama if Bender hadn't been in it, or even just had a different voice actor.
Do you think it was because they wanted to frick Bender?
>Do you think it was because they wanted to frick Bender?
Now that you mention it...
I enjoyed Archie's final Pre-SGW arc where Sally was "killed off" by Roboticization (at least, I enjoyed it until they had to scrap it prematurely mid-arc to make way for the reboot)
If it was entertaining and written well enough, yes, I would watch
Yea
Don't defend SatAM fans, KKM.
When you encounter a SatAMgay there is a 99% chance they're a Sally waifugay.
>When you encounter a a furry (female...Sometimes) there is a 99% chance they're a waifugayging.
Fixed that for you
Imagine this:
Sega allows the FF to be brought back to the comics and games. However, not Sally. Bunnie, Antoine, Rotor. Not Sally.
Genuinely, how do you think the SatAM and Archie fans will by and large react?
Now on the flipside. Sega allows Sally back, but none of the other FF.
What do you think would be the difference in reaction?
>everyone but Sally
riots, yeah
>only Sally
you think there aren't enough Bunnie fans for riots?
I like Bunnie, but no.
What if they bring back the SatAM cast but relegate them to the classic world like they have with the Hooligans
I'd be okay with that, but my point wasn't that- it's that more people would be angry with the FF being back without Sally than Sally being back without the FF. A lot of the fan devotion to SatAM is specifically about Sally
Careful. Sallygays are going to accuse you of being me (
)
People can both want to frick Sally and like the show. You're basically invalidating any possible other reasons just because they don't keep their lust under their hat.
Purism is an easy position to take because it can be objectively verified, whereas saying something is good or bad because of it's own values requires more intellectual effort.
As for myself, I find SatAM to be workmanlike, it's decent but I never found it all that interesting and I didn't care for the cast.
You think Sega will finally go "frick it" and buy stuff from extended universes?
No.
I don't get why western sonic is obsessed with freedom fighters. Robotnik isn't hitler, he's just some manchild who wants to build shit and make a giant amusement park for some reason, and they always do a thing where Sonic is some loyal dog instead of the actual leader.
because Sonic's story was literally a single paragraph in a manual before the show came out.
Yeah, so? Even then there was plenty of visual storytelling. And 2 was already out, and 3 was out before season 2 even premiered.
It's weird that people cling to SatAM in a way they don't with other video games cartoons. Shit, DKC ran longer and was closer to the games and way fewer people obsess over it. Mega Man fans don't complain about Proto Man being a loner antihero instead of evil. Yet we still have fans and even creators who want SatAMisms.
>and way fewer people obsess over it.
The exception that proves the rule. This is the only DKC cartoon callback animation ever done by the fandom, during the 00s and 10s people were harsh on the show, especially Rareware themselves. K. Rool's creator, Gregg Mayles, was especially harsh.
On the other hand, SatAM had fan animations and obsession over he games not being like SatAM and no freedom fighters as early as the debut of newgrounds.
He's not a simp for her, though, she's just his friend. And Blaze is an actual player character in the games proper, not a third party OC.
DKC and Megaman weren't someone's furry awakening.
>DKC wasn't someone's furry awakening.
Verifiably wrong
Not in comparison anyway.
Apes have always been a weird spot in the furry community because of how close to humans they are.
DKC also had scalies and they have a way bigger fanbase than apes but yeah cgi simians and lizards aren't gonna go as far as a naked chipmunk voiced by Kath Soucie
Why didn't Starfox have an animated series?
>Yeah, so?
so tell me what planet Sonic 1-3 take place on.
tell me literally anything beyond Eggman animal batteries & theme park.
you need more to build a brand. SoA provided.
>so tell me what planet Sonic 1-3 take place on.
NTA but they take place on Earth. It's just a weird dragonball kind of earth with extra continents and furries. Eggman has NEVER been the only human on the planet, the other ones just don't get focus.
>tell me literally anything beyond Eggman animal batteries & theme park.
He's a feminist, although there is some contention that claims that might be a translation error.
>they take place on Earth.
>Eggman has NEVER been the only human on the planet
how do you know?
>He's a feminist,
that's the goddamn Sonic Heroes manual. we're talking 1994, anon.
>how do you know?
Because there are more games and media before the "Adventure" era than you think there are.
Sonic had arcade games in Japan that established lore as well. Like Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car which establishes that there are just realistic human scaled cities with police forces that Sonic occasionally works alongside.
or, as far as media goes, while SATAM and AoStH were airing in the states, SoJ was commissioning the Man of the Year short.
>that's the goddamn Sonic Heroes manual. we're talking 1994, anon.
Yes and no. It's actually one of those useless character data points like Knuckles liking grapes or Tails being afraid of lightning and liking mint candies that existed prior. Heroes may have been the first time you saw it but that bit of trivia was also in Sonic Jam.
>Because there are more games and media before the "Adventure" era than you think there are.
well, we're specifically discussing SatAM's lifetime, and that ends around 1995.
>Sonic had arcade games in Japan that established lore as well.
a manga as well. do you think Sonic should have been Clark Kent?
>while SATAM and AoStH were airing in the states, SoJ was commissioning the Man of the Year short.
which practically looks animated by WB studios. SoA's marketing and the two cartoons are why Sega blew up in America in the first place.
>that bit of trivia was also in Sonic Jam.
where? also, the show had all ready been canceled and Yuji Naka had all ready crippled Sonic by the time Jam had released.
>well, we're specifically discussing SatAM's lifetime, and that ends around 1995.
It's extremely charitable to count reruns and makes the show's impact look larger than it is. Let's be real: it got two seasons totaling 26 episodes from 1993 to 94. It was dead in 95.
And all that stuff I cited is prior to 95 anyway. WWSPC came out like six months after Sonic 1.
>a manga as well. do you think Sonic should have been Clark Kent?
Maybe? It might be cool. It's not like he doesn't already steal from Goku.
>which practically looks animated by WB studios.
Other way around. It looks like that because TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha) Entertainment worked on a lot of 90s cartoons like Tiny Toon Adventures, Batman TAS, and Animaniacs. As it happens, Sega (or rather their parent company Sega Sammy Holdings) now owns them outright.
>where?
In one of the art galleries.
>And all that stuff I cited is prior to 95 anyway.
Sonic Jam was 97. and Man of the Year, while prior to 95, was no prior to the shows. are you telling me they also decided to use Hall of the Mountain king... just because?
>It might be cool.
i think the show was cool.
>Entertainment worked on a lot of 90s cartoons
you can see it instantly.
>In one of the art galleries.
why is there, like, absolutely 0 mention anywhere on the internet? all i'm seeing for source is the Sonic Heroes manual, anon.
>are you telling me they also decided to use Hall of the Mountain king... just because?
I mean maybe? One Piece uses classical music too. If you're trying to argue that Man of the Year was influenced by the american cartoons I can agree to that; Eggman is in a base with a statue on it like from AoStH.
The Japanese Sonic 1 manual outright states Sonic was born in Easter Island.
I thought it was christmas island
You're right, Christmas Island. My bad.
what page?
i'm not seeing クリスマス島 anywhere so far.
https://info.sonicretro.org/index.php?title=File:Sonic1_MD_JP_manual.pdf&page=1
I went double check on this since it's been like a decade since I last saw this. My bad.
>Christmas Island is the birthplace of Sonic the Hedgehog. It was established in an interview with "Sonic", published in the November 1990 edition of Sega Players Enjoy Club. In the interview, Sonic describes Christmas Island as his place of birth, a strange world where he and his friends live.
here is the translated text.
a "mysterious world completely different from our own"
>so tell me what planet Sonic 1-3 take place on.
Earth. Unless literally started otherwise, it's always Earth in all media ever. It's the only planet we know of (espically back then) to have life, so we have to use it as a basis or outright state it's a ayylmao planet
>tell me literally anything beyond Eggman animal batteries & theme park.
He's the bad guy we must stop, like Bowser, Neo Cortex, Ganondorf, Wahwey, etc.
>you need more to build a brand.
No other IP needed fan fiction non canon material to make a brand, you're moronic.
>Earth. Unless literally started otherwise
actually, one of the anons in this very thread helped me discover the answer. which is not Earth.
>fan fiction
Mario being from Brooklyn was fanfiction. the only difference is Nintendo embraced our extended bullshit. look how many years it took SoJ to finally accept chili dogs.
>the only difference is Nintendo embraced our extended bullshit.
They never did. None of the western stuff is in a Mario game.
>They never did.
they had by Mario 3.
You people realllllllllllllllllllllllllly don't like when someone else enjoys SatAM, do you? This feels like a hivemind at this point.
I don't care that people like an old cartoon I don't. I care that they get weirdly defensive and say shit like
instead of just going "Yeah I liked that show."
they get "weirdly defensive" because the show AND the characters got it rough from all sides.
Penders did the biggest damage to the SatAM name than any hater could ever dream of doing.
Not super familiar with the Penders shit but I've heard of it. Sega does own rights to Sally Acorn but will probably never use her in game because of what they learned from people like Penders. Based on lines from Sonic Frontier, even IDW characters are now game canon as Sonic mentions Tangle but they'll never touch on SatAM characters.
mention of all other characters except Tangle was removed. so Tangle is still the closest any SoA character has gotten to a mainline Sonic game so far.
But even then optional dialog is still something up in the air unless Tangle appears physically in a game.
Define game.
>Not super familiar with the Penders shit but I've heard of it.
The short version?
>Penders hears about Archie reprinting some old Sonic comics
>Penders asks Archie if he is going to be paid any royalties for that
>They say "no" because it was not in his WFH (Work For Hire) contract
>Penders asks for the contract, they don't give it
>Under advice of his lawyers (aka his wife) he starts copyrighting his work in Archie (i.e. the stories he wrote, but not the characters directly)
>Archie doesn't do anything about that (they could have contested), but sues Penders once the copyright procedure is done
>The lawsuit ends being settled outside of court, with Penders keeping the rights to his stories, but not Sonic-related content itself, obviously, leading to this huge gray area nobody really understands
>Penders tries to sue EA due to Chronicles, but the case is dismissed
>Penders decides to steal the Chronicles content by using "estoppel" meaning: "If I lie enough about Shade and anything from Chronicles being legally mine, without Sega ever contesting the claim, then it becomes true"
>After 10 years or more, Penders is almost ready to release his (in)famous Lara-Su Chronicles, whose first volume is literally reprintings of Archie Comics (the Mobius 25 Years Later arc) sans last page which is "original".
That about the SatAM cast... I wouldn't say Sega is afraid of another Penders, rather, they never really cared about SatAM, or AoSTH, or any other non-game Sonic media that didn't directly involved them... so they pretty much prefer to make new characters than import characters from alternative media.
Penders is a rhombic peg in Sonic's round hole.
and he left a nasty prolapse behind.
I think you reallllllllllly need to go back to whatever hugbox you came from.
in particular is completely innocuous.
>Robotnik isn't hitler
He is after Forces
>Robotnik isn't hitler
I mean Forces, Colors, and some of his comic depictions are very Hitler like.
>Colors
Max autism
I honestly hate how SatAM and 90s furries love making Sonic a moronic simp for an OC princess.
Blaze the Cat?
Don't insult her by comparing her to Shitlly.
Don't you have some offs to frick?
Non canon and also headcanon. It's literally never pushed anywhere but the austiic dev behind the games themselves, not any other game Sonic Team themselves actually did.
It would have been smarter to just say Elise and even then it was 99% one sided from her instead of Sonic.
Eggman has always wanted to conquer the world and displayed dictator-like tendencies, even in the genesis days.
SatAM is good
TRIPLETS BORN
THE THRONE AWAITS
I WANT ALEENA
TO SIT ON MY FACE
EAT OUT HER PUSSY
IT TASTES LIKE GRAPE
APOLOGIZE
AS I EJACULATE
SatAM has been dead for decades while the games still come out to this day. What do you think?
>while the games still come out to this day
>Sonic Frontiers got its second of 3 updates last month
>The game's director has already announced its sequel
>Sonic Superstars comes out later this year
>Clearly this is a dead franchise.
At this point I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a false flag to make SATAMBlack folk look bad because holy shit.
The Archie comic had all the SatAM characters and ended just 5 years ago. 2023 is the first year when drooling over Sally Acorn is also a massive cope.
We aren't talking about Archie, we're talking about SatAM.
Going to be honest. I’m just surprised they never tried to do a tie in with cd considering how it’s probably the closest game to resemble the show and it released when the show was still airing
here's your Sonic CD tie in, bro.
now that i really think about it, this was weird. SoA went through the trouble of replacing the entire Sonic CD soundtrack. why not just do a sprite swap of Sally for Rosey? i guess they were feeling lazy.
I think creating a sprite and swapping it with another or even editing a sprite within the game itself was a whole different animal than changing the music back then.
maybe, but i refuse to believe Sega of America had NO WAY to do that. no sprite artists on staff? no Genesis dev kits? nothing?
Rosey only appears in like 4 seconds of animation. just cut out that small part and you're good.
they should have either committed, or just introduced us to Rosey.
Do you really think they would put that extra effort to change Amy's sprite and cut or somehow reanimate the cutscene with Amy in it just to put Sally? It's easier just to gaslight people and just make them think Sally just looks different.
Because, even if it was pixelated as hell, there were FMV cutscenes.
>Rosey only appears in like 4 seconds of animation.
but that's why i think it's a little weird. they DID go through the trouble for the soundtrack. guess they couldn't be bothered.
It's easy to replace a soundtrack than in-game sprites and cutscenes that weren't even animated in your country.
except sprites would get swapped ALL THE TIME.
i rewatched the cutscenes, Amy's section could be removed no problem.
>Example: single sprites and sprite sheets with 10 frames total.
>Said examples run into pallete issues.
>"OH YEAH, JUST CUT THE ENTIRE FIRST CHUNK OF THE ENDING!"
You're a fricking idiot, holy shit.
SoA wouldn't even edit out mentions of Eggman in Sonic 2's Wing Fortress.
>be kid in early 90s playing Sonic 2
>get to Wing Fortress
>see picrel
How do you react?
Eggman kinda sounds like a nickname for a fighter jet
This is the board to discuss cartoon shows on. The fact it's based on a video game property is secondary.. But yeah, frick twitter.
You have no idea what the frick you're talking about if you think this
is anywhere near as easy to replace as CD audio.
are you ready to watch my fricking magic?
?t=20
it's called chopping off the first 20 seconds.
Cool.
Go ahead and apply that to a Sonic CD iso. It's really easy, right? You have vastly superior hardware to the chucklefricks at Sega. Go ahead.
>but that's why i think it's a little weird. they DID go through the trouble for the soundtrack. guess they couldn't be bothered.
NTA but the sound quality and thus soundtrack was one of the major selling points of Sonic CD, a minor character wasn't.
>Have to reanimate the entire first chunk of the ending sequence.
>And then re-adapt it to the CD FMV, including altered timing and compatible compression/fitting color limitations.
>And then creating an entire new sprite sheet for Amy, doing the same as the above.
>And then testing the game to make sure nothing went wrong.
>All in a few months.
You're a moron.
>Have to reanimate the entire first chunk of the ending sequence.
>And then re-adapt it to the CD FMV,
are you saying STI lacked the capability for that?
>And then creating an entire new sprite sheet for Amy
if your video game company can't make sprite sheets, they probably shouldn't be a video game company
>And then testing the game to make sure nothing went wrong.
and then performing normal video game development. i do agree, that did seem beyond Sega sometimes.
>All in a few months.
Sega, the infamously reasonable company who totally didn't force developers to halt development and restart on new hardware. yeah, they'd never expect that
choke on my wiener
>Uhhhh those things can be done!
Yeah. The point was it's a ridiculous amount of work for 3-6 months in the early 1990s. It's not that each one is hard to do, but that they compound the workload.
Shit, the actual NA release had to cut the sfx from the beginning of the ending and post-ending stinger because of the changes they had to make to the credits and conflicts it caused. And you think they were going to just cut a massive chunk of FMV, no problem? Game graphics weren't drag and drop back then, and FMV in particular were finicky.
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I FRICK THEIR MOTHER, THEY KNOW I DO
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personally i'm fine with SatAM not being super game accurate as i still find things to enjoy about it. OVA isn't that game accurate yet people still enjoy it and want the games to reference it in some way. and just like there are somethings from OVA i'd be fine with the games including, there are somethings from SatAM i believe could easily be added to the games (snively, bunnie, roboticization, eggman not being a complete joke again)
Man, an actual roboticization game plot could be really fun.
What surprise me is that even younger generations can become fan of Sally.
I guess wildbrain making the SatAM show officially available on Youtube for anyone to watch kinda help maintaining her popularity.
>just because it's not like the games.
Wasn't Sonic 2 the latest game released at the time?
Not much to work with
People are waking up.
Good.
satam holds a good place in my heart , but it sure as hell ain't perfect. would've liked some more of a better distributed of screentime towards bunnie and rotor, sonic not being the only one to save the day so often, well thats really a franchise wide problem but you get me, more badnik variety, robotnik being a bit more funny and manchidlish while being dark,etc.
tldr - decent show with flaws
also snively is best henchman don't @ me
Even as a zoomer myself, it’s weird seeing all these zoomers trying to brush over sonic’s early western material, despite sonic being at his peak in popularity during the early 90s and only really being popular in the west
It's mostly because the cartoons weren't the popular part.
Fricking this. People have this manufactured hyper specific narrow-minded view of what "Classic Sonic" supposedly is just because that was the first incarnation of Sonic's world, but fail to realize that it was only a small fraction of C.S. that was regulated to a region where he was almost completely forgotten about at one point.
I feel like if sega wanted their version of sonic to remain supreme, they shouldn’t have wait until their console that was sure to die to fully integrate it. Hell, even in japan, sonic didn’t seem to have a clear identity, as both the manga have radically different versions of the sonic and his world compared to the games. Frankly, if sonic was supposed to ever be one thing, sega has done a terrible job at keeping it like that with archie running for over 20 years, sonic underground, a classic sonic show, coming out during the dreamcast era, the era where classic sonic was being phased out, the fact that they allowed dic to run two entirely different sonic shows concurrent with each other, the fact that the us and uk had completely different comic series being archie and fleetway, and sonic boom’s entire existence.
People who think versions that don't coincide with the brand shouldn't exist are stupid.
People who get mad that other people don't like or even think your version shouldn't be given attention as part of the brand going forward are even stupider.
I can understand why sega won’t acknowledge the archie comics or satam, but at the same time, they let the archie comics for over 20 years. If they didn’t want people to b***h about the freedom fighters not being in the games, they should have ripped that band aid off way sooner.
That's a moronic mindset. May as well say everything in Prime and Boom should be integrated while you're at it. Alternate interpretations are worthwhile.
I’m not saying they have to be completely integrated, just maybe have them for a game once and give them spinoff roles for the rest of time. Hell, not even that, just maybe some merch. Unlike boom and prime, archie ran for 20 years, also boom seems to be having some integration into the main games with sticks seemingly being mainline canon as of frontiers.
Experiments and weird spinoffs aren't owed respect, anon.
Don’t let it run for over 2 decades then
>NOOOOOOO IT HIT AN ARBITRARY LENGTH YOU CAN NEVER STOP REFERENCING IT NOW REEEEEE
Christ you guys are weird.
>I can understand why sega won’t acknowledge the archie comics or satam,
They made Sonic Forces. Also Sonic Prime's New Yoke scenes throw back to Freedom Fighters.
You wouldn't even know about the westernshit unless you read the manuals which almost nobody did back then.
Despite that, the majority of 90s sonic fans seem to remember him as robotnik
Im not even from the 90s, but I call him Robotnik simply because it sounds cooler and "Eggman" just sounds fricking dumb to me
>What's with the rise of game purists?
I swear, Sonic fans in general have been getting more and more moronic. Not only have people been b***hing about this, but now they're getting mad at a baby show for not having "angle cheated" longer quills. Ever since frickers like Snick started gaining more traction for their autistic purist takes, the fandom has somehow gotten even worse.
To be fair everybody everywhere is getting more and more moronic over time
That may be the case, but I'm just saying I never see Mario fans complaining that the Super Mario Brother Super Show was a bunch of parodies instead of actually being one to one with the game's story. Every Mario fan I know, including myself, loves the Super Show despite the weird premises, however I'm one of the only Sonic fans I know that like SatAM.
I think in the 2000s that satam purists turned a bunch of people off from the series and the hatred of satam purists not only made people hate satam but some become more of game purists
The 2000s were nothing but Sonic X tards who hated everything that came before it for not having Amy Rose.
Didn't happen.
Since Mario is Popeye's successor, you should treat the Super Show like Popeye's theatrical shorts.
I don't think that comparison works in this case. I love the Super Show don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near the quality of the 1933-1942 Fleischer shorts. To this day it's still the best animation interpretation by a long shot.
Anon, I think he meant conceptually, not literally. DiC were cheap as shit, of course it would never be near the quality of the Fleischer shorts.
No, because then I would hate SMBSS way more by comparsion because it's nowhere as good as Popeye, the frick are you even saying.
Super Show was cute in it's own way, but it's exactly why I believe in Sonic autism because not one show about a mascot I ran into did I ever thought "this is the REAL canon" and not just see it as a stupid silly kids cartoon to past the time. If that Zelda show was even remotely canon that would literally mean there should only be 2 Triforces and instead of being golden they just LSD colored instead.
dude, i didn't want a Genesis until i started watching SatAM and i bet a lot of other kids didn't either.
Even though I grew up in the 00's, SatAM and AoStH was one of the first Sonic related things I've ever seen thanks to Netflix being on my Wii. It wasn't until after I saw the show that I got that one Genesis Sonic compilation on my DS, and I'm sure some people in MY generation had similar experiences kek.
Not to sound like dobson, but I actually do prefer mario as an isekai where mario comes from the real world instead of the mushroom kingdom, though I still prefer mario’s italian accent to his brooklyn one, even there is some charm with having a fat middle aged guy from brooklyn and his brother ending up in an alice in wonderland inspired fantasy kingdom.
100% agree, Mario and should always be plumbers from Brooklyn. I actually think Nintendo might agree too considering the references to NY in Odyssey and, of course, the way The Super Mario Bros. Movie did it.
It's a combination of fandom and being a boring show. A lot of Sonic fans like Underground in the same way people appreciate the Super Show. Most Sonic fans like Boom. SatAM is just kind of bad in an uninteresting way and most of its fanbase was so fricking annoying that it poisoned the well.
They loved the show for the live-action segments with Captain Lou. The cartoon itself was mostly forgettable.
God, don’t you fricking remind me about snick. Fricker seems like an ocd riddled sack of shit who can’t have fun with anything if it’s not the ideal version of sonic that he has in his head. Guy both started the whole santiago meme and threw a shitfit over some guy making a horny fem sonic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cocl_KdSa_Q
Sorry to remind you Anon, hate being reminded of that c**t too, but I bright it up because Im pretty sure his popularity has a strong part in the current Japanese purist mindset.
It is really weird to think about though, basically every other region except for Japan grew up with either the same lore or similar lore Sega of America introduced, and it hasn't been a problem until now?
I grew up with Sonic games on the genesis and watched SatAM but was never exposed to Archie Sonic. I knew it existed and knew there were multiole versions but as new Sonic games came out on Dreamcast like Sonic Adventure and onwards, I knew there were multiple versions like Sonic Underground too. I don't hate SatAM but it ended while the games continued. So the canon with the mainstays Sonic, Tails, Knux, Amy and Eggman are the ones that stuck with me.
Would you watch a reboot of SatAM in this style
Only if it was a good show.
I'd watch it in the old art style if it was actually well written, too.
Its hard to get good writers for cartoons. Even harder for Sonic. Many either are afraid to take risks or just write shipping crap.
No. Leave it dead.
Nobody asked you.
Shut the frick up Boco.
i'm going to say no, because how do you keep the dark tones (both visually and metaphorically) with the Mania artstyle?
I think mania sonic/jpn classic sonic can work with dark tones, that one city that was run by that robot eggman imposter in the ova as well as most of cd’s bad future zones remind me of robotropolis.
Yes, but wow what a pipe dream that is. Nobody within modern Sega wants that. Every old decaying Japanese exec has a broom handle up their ass about American Sonic.
No because I don't want SatAM to come back, I love it but it makes no sense after all this time. I just want the freedom fighters to come back to the franchise.
You had the Archie comics. Asking for more than that is pure greed.
>You had a pile of shit. Asking for more than that is pure greed
why do soj sonic gays insist on lumping satam fans with archie fans?
Didn't most SatAM fans migrate to Archie since it was current at the time? I remember Archie being called a soft-sequel to SatAM by fans.
Archie and Satamgays heavily overlap each other. No different than OVA/Classicgays, or X/Adventure/Darkagegays
I've seen that Archie fans aren't exactly SatAM fans.
If they exists then they have slightly less shit taste at least.
No cheek tufts on Sally. I consider them essential to her design.
>What's with the raise of game purists?
lot of 16 bit kids came back to the games during covid and drove up the cost of a lot of orginal 16 bit carts.
They googled the old games they loved and found the den of autists that were created by the cartoons, comics and post 32 bit games.
They're just trying to distance themselves from people who write 1000 page fanfics abotu fricking rouge the bat
This show lives in /sthg/ head rent free forever kek
did they ever find their mother in sonic underground
No.
yes
They find her in several episodes and she runs away from them for no reason other than “muh prophesy”.
SatAM is great, not sure why they hate it, it works
It's painfully boring imo. It's not interesting like Batman TAS or entertaining like AoStH.
AoStH is just...noise. There is nothing coherent or funny about it. Every character is grating on the ears. The backgrounds look like Salvadore Dali if somone puked yellow mush all over it.
Sonic backgrounds on the first 2 games can her quite psychedelic so the Dale comparison is apt.
>Long John Silver's Robotnik
>grating
Holy mother of shit taste.
His Robotnik is good in short bursts, but the more he yells and whines the less funny it gets.
Because SatAM went up its own ass with the messaging.
In regards to anyone irritated by the requests for the freedom fighters to return, Sega made its bed when they chose to let archie run for over two decades, now they have to lie in it
>> Watch SatAm season 2
>> Episode mentions "floating island"
>> Get hyped for Knuckles being animated
>> instead there's some sad ass owl thing that sends Sonic and Sally back in time
Me confused and...
<------
That sucks whale dong. DiC never got a copy of Sonic 3?
Or never cared. Remember how "accurate" Captain N was?
More like they only gave frick all to game canon at this point. They also made Double Dragon that vaguely resembled the games that had Dollar Tree versions of Lion-O and Scarecrow.
it's supposed to be the show's interpretation of Little Planet, that's why it has the time stones. Sonic 3 wasn't out by the time they were basically finished with season 2.
hahaha, no.
it's infamous how terrible the communication was at SEGA around that time. no one talked to anyone. sometimes they weren't even given copies of the games, they had to go out and buy them.
Introducing Knuckles during the lore-heavy time travel episodes wouldn't have done him any justice. At best, he'd have a glorified cameo. They were planning on adding him to season 3, but that never happened.
>goes to Cinemaphile
>me: i like sally.
>Cinemaphile: SALLY BAD
>goes to Cinemaphile
>me: i like sally.
>Cinemaphile: SALLY BAD
Then where can I go to say good things about Sally besides /trash/?
Tumblr
Maybe that means /trash/ is where you belong
I'm from Cinemaphile. Don't worry, I'll back you up when you say it.
There's nothing funnier than to get reactions out of people for the simple gesture of posting a cartoon squirrel.
>squirrel.
No see Sally *has* to be a squirrel because she's totally based on one of the little animals that Sonic rescues. Ignore the lack of tail! She's not an OC!
why is sally an OC but cream, blaze, rouge, and specially shadow aren't?
It's hilarious that you think that's a real question.
You know Sally isn't an OC, right? Neither is Tangle, or Sara or Cosmo.
And neither are Tom nor Maddie.
When /sthg/ gays stop crossposting
It's an appropriate containment board.
it's funny, even the troony jani's have it out for her cause I try to post a redesign of her in the storytime threads and it's like a timer for when they get nuked.
Based jannies.
they're never based, they can't even regulate threads that are clearly just scizo posting or thinly veiled politics.
SatAM getting shit on is whatever, but I'm more surprised to see all the dickriding Sonic X is getting on Twitter. People actually think that bland, poorly animated mess was good? It butchered the SA1, SA2 and Battle adaptations and its space arc wasn't anything to write home about either. It had a handful of good, lighthearted episodes in season 1 and that's about it.
I got a soft spot for it because I saw it every Saturday morning on 4kids. But yeah, the dub was meh, sub was alright but it's clear the game adaptations had to be wedge harder into the show than the Archie runs did them.
>Fandom: Tails is gay for Sonic
>Canon: Tails is straight but all his girls turn out to be evil, die, or both.
>not knowing about Naoto Ohshima liking pics of Tails getting molested by Sonic and Knuckles.
>all the dickriding Sonic X is getting on Twitter. People actually think that bland, poorly animated mess was good?
It's literally the generation that caused boostshit Sonic to form. Also Russians apparently liked it.
>People actually think that bland, poorly animated mess was good?
You can say the same about SatAM, so...
It had fine animation. X was still frames half the time.
If SATam was actually bland people wouldn’t care two decades later. Sonic Prime is what an actual bland show looks like, people have stopped talking about it after a month.
Nobody talks about Satam except closeted furries and 90's gays. Zoomer Sonicgays don't care about the show as seen with twittershit.
>nobody talks about it except the people who talk about it!
Fascinating. Any other great opinions to share like what color paint chips are the tastiest?
>zoomers
>twiiter
Not real people
Furgays aren't people either.
All sonicgays are furgays
You can be invested in Sonic while having zero interest in the furry fandom. LIking something that happens to star anthropomorphic animals doesn't make you a furry thinking otherwise is zoomercuck furgay mentality.
That's like saying all mariogays are furries just because mario wears a catsuit and stars multiple anthro characters in it.
Take your meds
It's almost like Satam was never a good show and is only praised by nostalgiagays.
It's just zoomer weebs doing the typical "japan thing good, other thing bad" schtick. Japanese Sonic has always sucked, Japan themselves knows it, but Ken-samas have no qualifications for liking something beyond "is it nip-made"
>"japan thing good, other thing bad"
Aside from the part where they tend to praise the other two Anglo cartoons.
What do we think of Sea3on?
I like the art and the inclusion of Knuckles, but that's it.
The comics were interesting but I was disappointed. People keep parroting so much about how dark SatAM is that we ended with something like Sea3on
I have no idea why Sonic X is being brought up into the conversation.
Xgays live rent free in the heads of Satamgays because they play a part on making them seethe to no end by crapping their show while Aosthgays, Ovagays, ect also do the exact same thing. It's a cope mechanism to direct their hate at only one of the problems and pretend it's the only one.
I have no idea why Satam fans keep attacking it when Sonic X basically pays tribute to their show by having Sonic using a ring to spin.
>if people criticize [thing I don't like] they are being honest
>but they criticize [thing I like] they are just being mean
What are you trying to say here?
east vs west
Not even Cinemaphile defends that show
They have had threads on occasion and they seem to speak rather fondly of it.
No
Yes.
>no proof
Who the hell is autistic enough to dig through hundreds of archived threads just to find poof? Sounds like you're desperately coping.
Cope
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/253519053/#253519053
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/255513352/#255513352
It's okay, I got a couple.
Sega was never good
OP hasn't show a single tweet
And nobody can access the site to check unless you have an account and willing to pay money out of your pocket.
What went wrong with this show. It's concept art looks way more interesting and sonic-like.
Meh
2 "cool guys"? (3 counting Sonic)
I don't see much potential for this group, though I'm sure the Princess would have gotten SOME porn. Not final design amounts though, obviously.
2 "cool guys"?
It'd still be more interesting Antoine, Rotor or Dulcy. Replace the rabbit with the finalized version of Bunnie and it'd be set.
I agree Rotor is dull, and Dulcy is fricking bad. But Antoine, like him or hate him, has a lot you can do with him. He's pompous, cowardly, has a rivalry with Sonic, is a simp for Sally, and is a cuisine snob. His shit writes itself.
Antoine comes off as too much of a coyote Luigi to me.
He existed long before Luigi's cowardly characterization did.
Luigi's cowardly characterization came from the Super Mario Bros Super Show. This predates before sonic.
I remember him being more indignant and silly than cowardly. They didn't REALLY lay into the cowardly thing until Luigi's Mansion.
Actually, that went back even further.
>SatAM
>not AOSTH
Boo!
I like both.
Wonder what the reaction will be when the "season three" pilot is released?
People always say Y is better than Z but never actually talk about Y or Z. What do people ENJOY about these cartoons?
the story and characters?
Like? Could you actually talk about it instead of being abstract? Don't just list things off, try actually discussing the show. What does it do and why do you like that and why do you think it works?
People get into stupid arguments constantly because they don't know how to talk about things.
when you put a 'dark edge' to kids shows, kids eat it up. i ate it up in 1993.
as you can see in this thread, there wasn't much to sonic before the shows came out. Sega of Japan had only put so much thought in to why this hedgehog was fighting an egg.
the shows brought more characterization to both the world and its inhabitants. it offered personal drama and physical peril.
it was a fun kids show that should have gotten a chance to finish.
unfortunately it wasn't enough against Power Rangers though the earlier seasons aged far worse (WALRUS milk tier) than SatAm
> it wasn't enough against Power Rangers
American kids didn't know wtf sentai was in 1995, anon, i'm an eye-witness.
no, as far as ABC was concerned, the shows had done their job.
1991, Sonic comes out. people think he's neat. 1994, he's leading the Thanksgiving Day parade.1993 is why.
Sega had blown up, mission accomplished, now it was time to blow up something else. and that something else was Power Rangers.
SatAM has a surprising amount of lore and continuity compared to others shows of the time, decades before it became common.
I like some of the characters, the voice acting, the gritty look, the overall plot, the music on so on. It's not free of issues, it still is a DiC cartoon based on video games, but it's probably the best out of those.
>satam doesnt feel like sonic and just a different cartoon that got shoehorned with sonic stuff
>noo you cannot say that it hurt my feeling!
Do satamgays really? Critisism is hate now?
The show ended years ago anyway the damage is done, people can have opinions
Don't care much for it, but it is silly to view the show through the lens of a 30+ year old franchise with 200 games, and not one in production before the 2nd one even released.
All 3 characters at the time were there and an interpretation of the whole animal in robots plot. I guess my complaint would have to be that the world should be less mythical fantasy and more surreal like the games.
>less mythical fantasy
i liked stuff like that, and it was popular. thundarr, pirates of dark water.
probably why Sega insisted on two cartoons, so you had AoStH for the more zany stuff.
>twitter
>video games
>fandom war bullshit
Please, just die. Frick off and die.