>Sauron's sigil is the all seeing eye
>Peter Jackson interprets this to mean that Sauron is literally a giant eye
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>Sauron's sigil is the all seeing eye
>Sauron's sigil is the all seeing eye
>Peter Jackson interprets this to mean that Sauron is literally a giant eye
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Represents the post-9/11 surveillance state we all live in.
the films were made before 9/11 though
Predictive Programming.
the CIA gave him a heads-up
I always thought he was chilling in Barad-Dur or whatever, unseen, and that the eye was a magic extension of his being
That's how I saw it too. In the books he is just chillin' in Barad-Dur looking into his palanthir. The eye is my least favourite part of the movies but I guess Jackson couldn't figure out how else to show Sauron's sight to the viewers.
yeah it's a cool visual and would've been fine to show the eye on the tower in visions but it should not have physically been there in real life
The movie was made for Amerigoblins. Amerigoblins are dumb as dirt and will get confused by a paper bag. So, PJ had to literally telegraph Sauron as a fiery giant eye, or else Cinemaphile would be inundated by threads by Americ**ts about Sauron's ghostly appearance. Also, see: Philosopher's Stone.
I think it's a little goofy when you stop to think about it but film is a visual medium, Tolkien is able to convey Sauron's all-seeing might through prose but you can't really do that in a movie, so they communicated it through a giant flaming eye
I'd have thought a decent solution would be when we're in Mordor and there's shit like the armies marching to meet Aragorn, etc. you show a shot of a Barad-Dur balcony from the interior with a blackened hand on the railing missing a finger. You're really showing jack shit of Sauron, but that he's there in his tower watching everything that's unfolding.
What the frick is Barad-Dur? Is it some kinda alternative realm or is it a literal place in middle earth? Furthermore, what was the point in accepting the rings why did the elves even need power? I kinda get why humans and dwarves were greed focused but werent elves meant to be God-like already?
>Barad-Dur
The tower
I almost confused it with Minas Morgul because I'm a lorelet
someone else may provide a better explanation, but my understanding that the elvish rings of power provide continuity to their respective realms like rivendell/lothlorien are just propped up by them. otherwise, elves in middle earth just diminish and their power wanes. that's why the elves leave after the one ring is destroyed because their rings lose their power and the elves can't continue on in middle earth any more
should have but couldn't have. it was a struggle enough from jackson to even get 3 films greenlit
>that's why the elves leave after the one ring is destroyed because their rings lose their power and the elves can't continue on in middle earth any more
Why would they help destroy the ring then? On the one hand they were happy that their ring gave them "continuity to their respective realms" but then don't care that destroying the one ring will do the exact opposite?
because if they don't destroy the ring, they're fricked and sauron wins
there was no hope through strength of arms
Don't they just piss off to a different realm no one else can journey to?
they do that with or without the rings, but not everybody wants to go to valinor
to keep existing in middle earth they needed the rings
It's been decades since I've read the books. The whole elf escape to Valinor was confusing. Why did only some want to go? Wouldn't those who stay just suffer?
Galadriel cane back to have her own kingdom and try to be like the great rulers of the first age
Heaven is boring
there's various reasons, the other anon put forward what christopher gave as galadriels reasoning in the silmarillion, but it's questionable whether that's canon
if you want to actually learn more, and why elves might want to stay in middle earth, tom shippey has a pretty good lecture on it:
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Because they were goodly creatures who could recognize Sauron's evil (now - he tricked them in the past). Yes they got something nice out of the Dark Lord's power but sacrificing that for the good of all was the right move morally.
The elves were powerful, but think of the rings as a powerup. An enchanted item providing some ability you otherwise did not possess.
Galadriel had the Ring of water, also called the Ring of Adamant. It had the ability to preserve things and conceal things from danger. Lorien is described as a place almost out of time. An enchanted land that harkens back to the first age when gods walked the world and everything was magic. She uses the ring to accomplish this. The fellowship cannot even be certain how long they rested there. Was it two days? Two weeks? Hard to say but it was great respite that they needed.
Gandalf had the Ring of Fire, and it gave him the ability to instill courage and lift the spirits of those around him. It lit a fire in their hearts, spartan. Think of it as a party wide moral/leadership buff. It aided him immensely in rallying the free peoples to stand up against evil.
The elves are leaving either way. Their time in middle earth is at its end regardless of the state of the rings. The Valar are beckoning them across the sea, which is where they have always been meant to live. The elves in middle earth are ones that either chose not to complete their westward journey or actually returned to middle earth after completing it, such as the Noldor.
The elves are bound to middle earth and never truly die. Even if they are killed in some manner, they are simply reborn in Valinor amongst the gods. They are supposed to live in the Undying Lands. They held dominion over middle earth for thousands of years but the age of Men is here and the magic is fading from the world by design.
>The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm
Legolas, upon hearing seagulls. It stirred in him an intense desire to climb on a boat and sail to Valinor. No ring or lack thereof required.
One of the two towers.
Don't ask about the other one.
>One of the two towers.
>Don't ask about the other one.
What's up with tower two?
uuuugh uuugh it collapsed because uuughh you know fire spread from the other towers and it burnt the steel beams or sumn and it collapsed
now stop being antisemitic
Sauron didn’t have a corporeal form, but was essentially a menacing and powerful shadow/ghost. If someone put on the ring or touched the orthanc palantir they might see a firey red eye similar to the one in the movies but there was no physical giant firey red eye at the top of Barad Dur.
Yes he did, Gollum noted he had 9 fingers
Sauron had his corporeal form destroyed not once but twice. The first time he drowned with the sinking of Numenor, and was forbidden from ever looking fair again. The second time he was slain by Elendil during the Last Alliance of men and elves and Elendil’s son Isildur cut the ring from Sauron’s dead body.
In the books Sauron has a physical form but is recovering slowly until he gets the Ring. In the movies Sauronman explicitly says that Sauron can't assume a physical form without the Ring
Nah,he actually even had a physical body. But he decided to sit his one out in his cuck tower, because he keeps getting raped by everyone when he stepped outside. One time he was even manhandled by a dog.
Bro, he isn’t just a giant Eye looking out he top floor of his fortress. That would be weird. He‘d be completely helpless. No arms, no legs, he wouldn’t be able to move.
Peter Jackson held back his moronic team, who wanted to add Black folk, women and other minority representation. His team was excited and came up with all of these ridiculous ideas, hyped each other up. And he shut them down, no discussion.
I think he has a body, but be is extremely weakened. He couldn’t even manifest one with all 10 of his fingers. He is very scarred after dying so many times.
Elves want to basically stop time, because their destiny is to either all physically travel to heaven or be drained and reduced to a spirit with no body, who eventually also has to travel west.
Because he is a maiar.
Because he uses proxies like the Nazgul. The Witchking actually had his own little Evil Empire in Angmar, when Sauron was in hiding.
Because Sauron had an overwhelming geopolitical advantage and destroying the Ring ends him without having to fight his Empire.
>cuck tower
That's literally the case. We see Sauron when Aragorn communicates with him with the palantir
It’s pretty silly. He’s just chilling in his tower doing nothing the entire time.
Jackson improved it
Yes the movies were awful. Jackson was a hack and every deviation from the book narrative was either cringe or grating.
moron
Did you read the book again after watching the movies just to make sure the nostalgia isn't clouding your judgement?
have a nice day gay
>Yes the movies were awful.
moron.
>every deviation from the book narrative was either cringe or grating.
Correct.
The movies>>> the books
Tolkien's writing style was garbage.
they both have their pros and cons. some of the changes jackson made were cool but some parts of his movies suck ass.
Weak bait.
Understandable that you'd think that if all you've read to compare Tolkien to are D&D novelizations.
so, there was an eye, and the mouth (head really) was there any other parts?
were the rings all a part of him?
>Sauron's gaze
>literally a Metal Gear Solid sight cone
CHRISTOPHER, MY SON
I mean, it was a stealth mission.
it's like Smaug's vision from the animated film. (combined with how smaug's vision works in the book) Jackson's aesthetic is lifted largely from the 1977 version.
you're joking right, every important element is the same. It looks like concept art for Jackson's.
This is just Samurai Jack LOTR which would be very kino
>you're joking right, every important element is the same. It looks like concept art for Jackson's.
It has more of a robed priest look than the Jackson and the helmet is far more minimalist and looks like it's placed on the head of someone with a skull like an Elf or Man, whereas the Jackson had the head very elongated as if some type of ayylmao.
he's just angling his head up
and pants were "in" in 2001
I'm fairly certain that was drawn with him having human/efl-skull like proportions. It's also obviously less embellised. Three spikes vs. a dozen and all of which are small compared to the Jackson, the helmet looks basically smooth/without flare, etc. Idk, in my mind's eye I prefer what I am seeing based off of that drawing.
>This is just Samurai Jack LOTR which would be very kino
DUNEDAIN FOOOOL!
>This is just Samurai Jack LOTR which would be very kino
sauron is a shape-shifting master of darkness
>also gets fricked up with a special magical sword
Kino Nazgul
Gennedy doing a Gandulf or Aragorn vs. Ringwraiths fight would be cool, or Gandalf vs. Balrog
And it is quite literally the most iconic part of the entire series.
Kino use of the film medium to visually represent a written concept.
I agree. the eye haters are brainlets who couldn't adapt a literary concept visually to save their life
Yeah the haters are moronic, it gets the point across basically instantly and doesn't need a ton of exposition. They're huge books, you need to cut corners and condense stuff, the eye is the least of the problems
I thought the 'eye' of sauron was simply the point that 'he has spies everywhere'
He sees shit cause he has thousands of spies
>
yes it's his own eyes
He's just a tall dude like Gandalf is to the midgets
He's not a fricking 800 foot dude like jackson thinks
>He's not a fricking 800 foot dude like jackson thinks
If you think that's a real eye from a real person, I have news for you that you are too moronic to acknowledge.
The news is that you are moronic.
>He's not a fricking 800 foot dude like jackson thinks
you're a certified moron for thinking the eye is supposed to be to scale
This is my favorite look for Sauron after Numenor. Looks like the overtly sinister dark lord he is meant to be, looks a bit necromancer/sorcerer-like, etc. but not as ridiculously ott as the Jackson armor. Never been a big fan of the Jackson helmet for Sauron.
These stupidly kino designs
why is his head a mini barad-dur?
So he can see you
>the virgin saurcuck vs THE CHAD MORGOTH
I prefer this look for Sauron
I prefer the new and upcoming Sauron
so there's going to be two Saurons in RoP s2? lol
that does not say "the tower was topped by a giant flaming eyeball that sent out a beam like a searchlight"
So? Books are books, movies are movies. Next you will complain that Marvel movies actually move, and they are not faithful to the original material because they are not still images with text on them.
Spooky kino
>knows hobbits are bringing the ring to the only place it can be destroyed
>doesn't guard the place at all
is Sauron suicidal?
He knows someone in the Fellowship is carrying the ring. Then all of a sudden an heir to a bloodline long thought extinct facetimes you, all clad in endgame gear, defeats your army and marches on your border.
Could at least seal the gateway to the mountain kek
US doctrine is not a mythological epic trying to express themes. Sauron sucks at war and you suck at art.
Sauron considered it completely inconceivable that anybody would willingly destroy the ring instead of trying to use it to fight him. The entire point is that his own obsession with power and his hubris are the things that get him killed.
He didn't know how meek a race tailor-made to be scrappy underdogs could be, and even then he was still correct, Frodo couldn't take the last step entirely on his own.
>Sauron considered it completely inconceivable that anybody would willingly destroy the ring instead of trying to use it to fight him.
He was 100% correct here.
yet he outnumbered them completely. the diversion was suicide and yet he couldn't spare like 12 fricking guards to the one entrance of the mountain.
the USA keeps small garrisons at every nuclear ICBM site just incase some spetsnaz show up to do some dirty business.
In ww2 the panamal canal was one of the most heavily guarded locations on earth.
You guard your assets even if the chances of attack are incredibly slim. Sauron sucked at war.
He had absolutely no fricking clue they were trying to destroy the ring- he sees Pippin through Saruman's palantir so at that point he thinks Saruman has it, and then when he sees Aragorn in the palantir he thinks maybe Aragorn has it and killed Saruman and is coming to 1v9 the orc horde with it.
>the bad guy is really stupid, it says so right here in the books
What a great defense. What a great story.
It's not really stupid if you think you know the exact position of the ring and reasonably conclude you're well out of harm's way. The goalie doesn't just sit in his box when the ball is on the other side of the field- he moves up for support since it's safe to do so. He's got the Nazgul hovering around Mount Doom until Aragorn shows up because he thinks Aragorn has the ring because why not send the whole fricking team to try and kill him when you know how fricking strong the thing is?
but he doesn't know where the ring is. It could be anywhere. A small force shows up at your giant gates and you dedicate your entire army for it instead of thinking "nah, that's bait."
No one is dumb enough to leave your shit unguarded, even if it's a slim chance. It's just stupid no matter how you look at it. It's not like the entrance is fricking huge with multiple paths leading up to it. It's a little opening with a single path. You stick two guys there with a siren if trouble shows up.
Right now there are a couple dozen soldiers sitting in the middle of montana playing ping pong waiting for the most impossible of scenarios to play out while the rest of the world is at war. It's what smart people in charge do.
Sauron is like france in ww2. They never could have predicted the germans going through belgium. They were just really fricking stupid.
The point I'm trying to make is Sauron is stupid. Just plain stupid. There's no defense for it.
>but he doesn't know where the ring is. It could be anywhere.
He DOES know where it is, or rather thinks he knows exactly where it is. He confirms a hobbit has it from gollum, he knows Saruman sends a search party to get the hobbit through the Palantir, then he sees a hobbit through Saruman's Palantir and fairly concludes 'ok, Saruman found it, has it, and made this little shit look into the palantir to torment him' because he has no clue what the outcome of Helm's Deep was or what happened to Orthanc at the time. Then Aragorn looks into Saruman's palantir and thinks 'ah frick, this guy killed Sauraman so he has the ring now.'
So no, he thinks he knows where the ring is and who has it, hence why all the Nazgul ditched Mount Doom and bum rushed Aragorn's army at the gate.
He still doesn't know what he plans on doing with it. Man almost destroyed the ring once, so it's an open possibility. You don't need elites guarding your weakness, you have an entire army of grunts. Just a couple of guys at the gates wouldn't cost anything in a battle and you got your ass covered from anything sneaky happening. Sauron didn't learn a thing the last time he fought man.
Like the attack on Pearl Harbor is seen as an incredibly short sighted mistake that seemed impossible. The radar was ignored, they thought the bay was to shallow for torpedoes or subs, they thought their one weakness was safe. It won't ever happen again.
Just like when man showed up to throw the ring into the mountain. They had the intent to do until the last minute but it was a very real possibility. To think it would never happen again is just not learning. Just do the bare minimum. Blockade the entrance, build a wall. It would take like a day.
And it was really shortsighted of the fellowship to think the only way into mount doom would be the same after a thousand years or there wouldn't be some guards. They didn't plan it out at all. No one was thinking on either side. It's a all so contrived.
>Sauron didn't learn a thing the last time he fought man.
Sure he did, he learned that even if you drag a man to the top of mount doom and tell him 'if you don't throw that thing away everyone you know will die and the world will be destroyed' he still won't destroy it and will try to use it instead. So from that he fairly concludes noone's trying to destroy the thing since noone's physically capable of doing that; they all want to harness the ring's power and use it against him.
And he's right because like one anon said Frodo doesn't even throw the thing away in the end, Gollum has to slip on a banana peel and fall in for it to be destroyed finally.
>the bad guy is stupid because I already know the story and the character in the story didn't know everything I know from having finished the story. -Anon the moronic
The corrupting nature of the ring and the immense power it offered made the notion that anyone would or even could destroy it seem ridiculous.
Sauron craved power and wanted the ring back to regain his power. He couldn't see past his own desires and ambition and assumed his potential rivals were of the same mind as him. He thought someone like Gandalf, Saruman, or even Aragorn would want to use it, not destroy it. He wasn't even entirely wrong. Denethor wanted to use it. Saruman wanted to use it. He simply didn't really understand his enemies.
He isn't stupid, you are.
nuclear annihilation seems ridiculous but we still plan for it. He's a bad military leader.
A thousand years ago man came really damn close to destroying the ring. So not once did Sauron think "What if? Maybe, just in case I should close that hole or put a door up or something."
>A thousand years ago man came really damn close to destroying the ring
You mean the same man the chose to keep it for himself after holding it for like 20 minutes? That man that didn't even attempt to destroy it?
Seems like the only example Sauron had indicated that them taking possession of the ring would mean they would be corrupted by it and seek to use it themselves.
Why the frick do you think nobody but frodo was supposed to touch it?
>It's not like the entrance is fricking huge with multiple paths leading up to it. It's a little opening with a single path. You stick two guys there with a siren if trouble shows up.
You mean the volcano situated in the middle of the plains of Gorgorth? Which is surrounded on all sides by towering mountains with every entrance fortified? The plains of gorgoroth crawling with thousands of orcs? The orc army that only vacated the area when an army marched on the gates. An enemy army that Sauron believed was being led by an enemy in possession of the ring? Quit assuming fictional characters know everything about the story they are in. Just because YOU know two midgets managed to slip in secretly doesn't mean characters in the story conceived it as a threat that could occur.
It is an oversight by the villain. It is a flaw in their motives and world view. It is the central reasoning behind why the fellowship had any hope of success. It is a highlight of the fundamental difference between prideful greedy evil and meek humble good.
>sauron was dumb
No, you are dumb. You, are a pedantic fricking moron that thinks your nitpicking is oh so smart. You think you have dashed a well regarded story with your big brain and ideas about how nukes are guarded. I absolutely guarantee you are one of the same fricking idiots that says shit like "lmao why didn't they use the eagles to fly to mordor" like a brainlet that never laid hands on a book.
The fact man got ahold of the ring in the first place should be cause of concern. Sauron probably didn't expect that to happen either so why is destroying the ring completely out of the question? If it's possible to be done, then it's possible it will happen. Just take a day to hire some contractors to build a fricking door.
the same volcano that has one real entrance. The same one used a thousand years ago. Put your guards at the actual fricking entrance with a trumpet to call your elites in to deal with the threat. Simple military strategy. Or blockade it. Stop the past from repeating itself for frick's sake how stupid do you have to fricking be.
>so why is destroying the ring completely out of the question?
Because nobody could. Nobody. Not a single living entity in middle earth possessed the strength of will to resist the ring and throw it over the edge.
They could have picked it up with a stick or something and chucked it in.
Nonetheless the possibility that someone trips and falls in with the ring however slight still makes mount doom worth guarding. The fact he never thought of that is moronic.
Anon, do you keep a locked gate at the top of your stairs in case you trip and fall down them and die?
I keep a gate at the bottom of the stairs to keep the dogs from going up there.
You know, just so they don't get into shit they aren't suppose to. It's amazing what a simple door can prevent bad things from happening with a little foresight.
>why is destroying the ring completely out of the question?
two things
first of all, sauron knows the ring is a weapon of massive power and value, and there's nothing else like it in the world. sauron's most consistent shortcoming is being unable to understand good, selflessness or humility. he doesn't believe his enemies aren't as selfish and power hungry as he is - he sees the entire conflict as a struggle between wills that both seek domination of middle earth. as a result of this, he doesn't understand why someone wouldn't take that power for themself, and doesn't believe the idea that they wouldn't. this is held up by isildur choosing to keep the ring for himself.
secondly, the ring's ability to tempt the bearer is extremely powerful and only gets stronger the closer you get to mount doom. by the time you get to the cracks of doom, it's impossible to resist the ring's influence over you and you can't help yourself. this happens with both isildur and frodo, so it's safe to assume sauron's right. nobody could resist claiming the ring when it came down to it, so there was no reason (in his mind) to fear that possibility
sauron didn't account for the banana peel of fate
You would think Achilles would wear armored heels.
You got one weakness, forget about it.
what about the giant spider
>he doesn't know
>/pol/tards claim LotR is good because there were no women involved
>in reality the only reason it turned out good is because two of the main writers were women who reigned in hacksons moronic ideas
Laughing out Loud
Yeah yeah and NASA only got to the moon thanks to a strong black kween. We know.
this is the biggest example of somebody living rent-free in somebody else's head that I've ever seen. /misc/ keeps winning I guess
Wouldn't that be trannies, libruls and blacks? You c**ts NEVER shut up about them.
/misc/ seems to me to be getting more touchy lately about being called out.
>shout someone's name
>they reply
>complain when they reply
Name the writers of the LotR trilogy. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
Arwen replacing several major characters was an idea by one of the women writers. It was literally the other way around from what you're describing. As always leftoids can only lie.
In the book it is described as a if Sauron was "fingering" the surface in search of the ring, a giant hand would have been worse
ehe you said fingering
>Frodo got Fingered
Yeah, Tolkien described the Eye of Sauron in a metaphorical sense, as it was not an actual eye but rather a symbol of Sauron's influence over Middle Earth.
>in the book, when Gandalf tells Frodo he has the One Ring, Frodo takes his time leaving
>it takes Frodo months to pack, sell property, he even moves to a different house
>in the movie, Gandalf tells Frodo he has the One Ring, Frodo leaves immediately
Missed opportunity for world-building, because Jackson is a shitty director.
>it takes Frodo months to pack, sell property, he even moves to a different house
what were the tax policies of the Shire? Why didn't Jackson explore that?
meh, that's probably the weakest of complaints you could make about the adaption. it would be a weird movie if frodo is just trying to sell his house and move to buckland for the first hour
The first film should have ended with Tom escorting the hobbits out of his realm.
The three movies have a total runtime of 11 hours. He could have spent less time on that femcel b***h from Rohan, her singing and cooking. The Shire parts are what make the Fellowship the best movie. Nobody cares about monologues by literal-whos who end up dead anyway.
The LOTR story is about small, "weak" Hobbits who rise to the challenge of destiny and save Middle-Earth, despite their small stature, because real strength is found inside, in your spirit, not in muscles and large swords. Jackson focuses on muh Gondor warrior and muh Rohan riders, and completely misses the fricking point of the trilogy. Because he's an idiot.
>He could have spent less time on that femcel b***h from Rohan, her singing and cooking.
he did though. the original cut is only 9 hours long. those eowyn scenes were cut. the shire parts are what contribute to the fellowship being the best movie but the thing that makes it the best is that it's just one consistent story being told instead a bunch of shit running in parallel.
i'm not going to disagree jackson either misinterpreting or intentionally changing themes but i also don't think it's fair to suggest you can take the books 1:1 and make a movie from them
they were only just persisting and their era was over. their choice was simply fade away or get heemed on middle earth or destroy sauron and move on to the undying lands
pretty much
so you meant to make a joke?
>just one consistent story being told instead of a bunch of shit running in parallel
The world feels small though. Middle-Earth in the movies is basically Hobbiton, Bree, Isengard/Fangorn, Minas Tirith, Rohan, Rivendell, Mt. Doom. Jackson's shitty storytelling makes it seem like all of these places are next to one another, traveling between them takes no time. The Hobbit is even worse in this regard.
>Jackson's shitty storytelling makes it seem like all of these places are next to one another, traveling between them takes no time.
They're wandering around for ages. Felt big to me
You mistake long, drawn-out scenes in one place as "wandering around for ages".
And Amon Sul an Caradhras and Moria and Lothlorien and Amon Hen and the Dead Marshes and the Black Gate and Tawhai Falls and Osgiliath and Dunharrow and Minas Morgul and Cirith Ungol and the dozens of little locations where the little outposts are during the Beacon scene. They're all over ME in this film, homosexual, or at least in the locations relevant to the story.
>Buh buh I need them to spend a half hour in every location while Gandalf gives the audience a guided tour explaining the geological history of the are
That's because you're autistic
>Shit talking Rohan-waifu
homosexual
>meh, that's probably the weakest of complaints you could make about the adaption.
...that was clearly his intention exactly. stay in school
I dunno, I like both the movies and books but the way time is represented in the movies is weird. The way its presented it feels like Gandalf leaving Frodo with the ring and getting back to him happens in the space of a few days.
>. it would be a weird movie if frodo is just trying to sell his house and move to buckland for the first hour
I would watch it
I can't believe jackson didn't make a whole movie devoted to frodo deciding whether to shit in the front hall toilet or the master bedroom loo
>book makes it clear that Sauron's physical body is destroyed
>multiple people in this thread think Sauron was just chilling at Barad-dur looking at a palantir all day
Same tards who think Gemma Arterton went from a B cup to Double D overnight in her late twenties. You know, just a growth spurt.
Why do you morons come crawling out of the woodwork practically every day now talking about how much you hate these movies? You have to be the biggest contrarian homosexuals imaginable if you don't believe these movies didn't earn their place on the list of the greatest films of all time because Jackson cut out the scene where Frodo does his taxes and applies for an extension on his mortgage for the sake of pacing.
What makes LOTR good is the set design, the costumes, the actors, the sound/music, cinematography, basically all the things Jackson had nothing to do with.
Nah, Jackson trimmed the fat from the books and streamlined the story Tolkien was telling far better than he did himself. I don't think anyone could've made a better adaptation, certainly not a moron like you who thinks they should've left in Bombadil and doesn't understand why shit like that is poison for making a good film trilogy.
>removing Bombadil was good
pleb
For a movie yeah it was.
You want a tight, focused story, in many ways anathema to Tolkien.
So either don't do the movie, or make certain artistic concessions in order to get a good end product that people will actually watch and enjoy.
Remember, it's a visual medium and everything takes time to set up in a movie
Those are all things the director is involved with or at least has final approval on.
Everything they say is half baked, ignorant, and idiotic as well. I hate Amazon so fricking much it's unreal.
Why would Amazon shittalk lotr though? They have a vested interest in the property with rope so you think they'd remind people how great the trilogy was to get people to watch it to-
>Hbo owns the streaming rights to the trilogy still
Oh well there it is
Amazon shills do their best to prop up their shitshow.
Holy shit is this an actual theory around here?
>Amazon is so desperate to get people to watch their 'Lord of the Rings' TV show that they come to Cinemaphile Cinemaphile looking for opportunities to badmouth the Peter Jackson films because this somehow makes people want to watch their show more
Why would frodo have a mortgage? He's the richest person in hobbiton.
isnt there a scene when frodo and sam are in mordor where frodo has a vision of saurons eye looking at him
Ok then, how are you actually supposed to portray him as a threatening presence without giving him a physical body. Giving him a physical body just opens up more plot holes and questions.
Do you just have him as a shadow on a throne?
Do you simply not portray him at all and only mention him like he is a force of nature?
Portraying him as the eye is fine tbh
It's fine but I think the whispers you hear coming from the ring would be enough.
Maybe throw in a line at the 5-hour mark about how frodo can hear sauron whispering to him or whatever.
>Ok then, how are you actually supposed to portray him as a threatening presence without giving him a physical body
A giant flaming butthole is not what I'd call a "threatening presence".
Fellowship did it best by far of having his presence felt without showing physical form by having the eye only as a symbol show up when Frodo put on the ring and us otherwise only hearing his voice. Towers and Return never had us hear the Sauron voice of Fellowship, except as some raspy tiny whisper of 'Aragorn...' said by the flaming eye.
Keeps the crust gooey atleast.
The ghosts instantly clearing up the orcs is the only actual major complaint i have about the adaptation
And as moronic as it is, it happened in the books so blame Tolkien
>inb4 ghosts only killed corsairs in the books
They subbed in for the Dunedain because that plot would've taken way too much time to do. Also, as stupid as they are, they're a ghost army, how the frick are you not going to put that in your movie?
Unless you do it exactly as it's written you cannot blame the author
Except you can though because having the ghosts at all was stupid to begin with and Tolkien's idea?
Did they even kill anyone in the books? I thought they just spooked the enemies away so Aragorn could take the boats
No the books did it better. The ghosts were just scare tactics. Powerless really.
Also a shame we didn't see Gondor's lush farmlands. Beyond the 'what did they eat' memeing, would have been something to see the fields go from that to some blackened smoking ruin as the battles goes on and after. Probably the cloest you'd get to evoking WWI imagery with how north-east France before vs. after
These films were such hacky trash.
I dunno, the parts with Tom Bombadil felt kinda moronic in the books. I’m glad that shit didn’t make the movies. Tolkien hack crap
Magic the gathering take on Sauron was better
But they Black personfied the setting so whatever positives they made are set back by a million points
Literally nothing wrong with homiegorn
I'm imagining Idris Elba in the role and nothing at all is lost.
I think it does, they do a good job building the world racially by having all the different races/people they encounter have similar features (eg most of the hobbits have curly hair, most of the guys in Rohan are blondes, Gondor has a bunch of black curly haired guys, etc etc.) So if you have this one outstanding guy be a Black person he sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't fit the world at all.
>inb4 make the entire cast multiracial so he doesn't stand out
Then it stops feeling like a unique world with specific races/peoples that's a homage to old Europe and starts feeling like modern day Detroit which takes you out of the movie.
>Then it stops feeling like a unique world with specific races/peoples that's a homage to old Europe and starts feeling like modern day Detroit which takes you out of the movie.
I would disagree in a way.
Aragorn is meant to be physically distinct. He is last in the line of Luthien Tinuviel, a throwback to a greater age of greater men, where anything was possible. There are none alive like him. He's Strider by choice, but when he tosses off that cloak he is gigachad embodied. This part is completely lost in Jackson's adaptation. He elected to prioritize what you pointed out, but to be clear, this is a significant part of the character that was hacked out.
Having Aragorn as a tall, regal pure-blooded [insert race] man towering above a nation of shitskins would fit well. homiegorn serves this purpose. I personally wouldn't do it, as I like the Viggo-esque portrayal of Aragorn and think the whole "he's just a dude who stepped up to the plate in the world's darkest hour and charged unwavering toward certain death to save his friends" plays better, but can see how reasonable minds could disagree.
Hackson was genuinely awful
>35 cents has been credited to your Amazon account
>thinking Hackson is shit makes you think that amazon slop isn't
The 3rd Hobbit film shows that the pupil is just a distant shadowy silhouette of Sauron surrounded by flames. I actually really like that idea.
Everyone itt is moronic
forgot to add that I'm trans btw and i lile bbc in my butt
For me it's getting pegged by my gf dressed as Gandalf while I'm dressed as a female Balrog as she shouts 'you shall not pass' in between thrusts
What would happen if Sauron won? What would he do?
Continue along the path of the industrial revolution (and its consequences).
sauron believed eru had abandoned ea and that the valar were misguided and selfish
he would have ordered the world as he saw fit, probably expelling the elves and enslaving the rest. we don't get many glimpses into saurons mind since everything is told from the point of view of the elves (and later hobbits), but we know he still loved eru and believed the valar were corrupt
he was shocked by the bending of the paths in the akallabeth, and after that we don't have much on his motivations, so it might have changed once he believed eru intervened on the behalf of the valar
>we know he still loved eru
X
read morgoth's ring. tolkien elaborated extensively on the differences between morgoth and sauron and their motivations, claiming morgoth as the 'one true atheist' (to him, nihilist) in the entire legendarium
What's his excuse for serving Morgoth for thousands of years?
Morgoth was an avenue to shape the music
he probably believed morgoth would be a better ruler and have more right to rule arda than the valar
the war of wrath was a catastrophic event for sauron, he didn't think morgoth could be bested and thrown out of the world. he came close to giving up and repenting, but didn't quite get there. his motives pre and post war were likely very different
He also probably never thought he would get his finger lobbed of by a mere mortal man either but look what happened. He overestimated his own strength and underestimated his enemy. He should consider himself lucky the ring wasn't destroyed and ensure that it never would be. Instead he just assumed man was weak (despite getting destroyed by them) and did nothing to protect his greatest weakness.
Imagine when frodo and sam show up at mount doom and they are all "Well shit, there's a door now."
NOPE MAN BEAT ME BEFORE BUT THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
who keeps making these lotr threads? theres been like 10+ the last 24 hours
Why didn't Sauron lock the gate to Mount Doom or have some Uruk-hai guarding it?
Why? Nobody was going to march into mount doom and toss it in. Even if they wanted to, they would need to fight through a massive army of orcs to reach it, and then they would have the impossible task of forsaking the ring. I say impossible because nobody managed to do it. It was destroyed on accident and not a single living person would have been capable of throwing it into the fire.
Only two people ever had the option of destroying it, and with were corrupted on the precipice and refused to throw it away.
He didn’t reckon he needed to. Mt. Doom was well within Mordor, and Mordor’s walls and gates were designed to keep people in more than to keep people out. Who in their right mind would go to Mordor? That Sauron’s enemies would wish to unmake the ring instead of use it against him never even crossed his mind.
As with all the big trilogies of the early millennium (LotR, Star Wars, Matrix, Pirates) only the first one is good.
all three were shot at the same time with some scenes of the second and third movies even being shot before some scenes in the first
I still dont get why
>Sauron dies after he loses his ring, but hes like an invisible ghost sometime after
>why are the orcs still following this ghost sauron they cant see
>why would sauron getting the ring make him unstoppable when he was stopped before when he had the ring
>Sauron dies after he loses his ring, but hes like an invisible ghost sometime after
Die and become ghost. Many such cases.
>why are the orcs still following this ghost sauron they cant see
That you even have to ask this just a great lack of understanding of LOTR.
>why would sauron getting the ring make him unstoppable when he was stopped before when he had the ring
He was slain during the last alliance of men and elves. Men were more powerful, longer lived and taller back then, being closer to the race of Numenor than the lesser men of the third age. Only Aragorn approached that greatness. Many of the powerful elves had left middle earth as well. It couldn’t be done again.
The ring is magic.
*create le epic weapon*
>you fricking explode if you lose it
That’s just in the movie. In the book he is killed normally and then the ring is taken off his body. So it’s more like,
>create epic weapon
>die anyway lmao
>Sauron dies after he loses his ring, but hes like an invisible ghost sometime after
Sauron cannot technically die. He is a maiar and his spirit will live on regardless of whether he has a physical form.
>why are the orcs still following this ghost sauron they cant see
Because orcs are evil things, shaped into their current form by Sauron's former boss, Morgoth (the supreme evil). Orcs tend to naturally fall into line under powerful dark beings. It is as natural to them as you sucking wieners. Without Morgoth, many turned to following Sauron. When Sauron was away they would gravitate to the witch king, who was always under Sauron's sway as it is.
>why would sauron getting the ring make him unstoppable when he was stopped before when he had the ring
Because the strength of the free people had greatly diminished since the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. The elves had been greatly reduced, and few of the truly mighty still remained. For men, they were petty and short lived. During the last alliance, the armies of men were largely made up of and/or led by the Numenoreans. These were more than normal men. These were High Men. Many of them had lived in Numenor and were close in faith to the Valar. Humanity quite literally did not posses gigachads anymore, at least not many.
The circumstances that existed in the second age that allowed for the defeat of Sauron simply didn't exist anymore. They didn't have the numbers nor the skill and power to stop him again, not the way they had before.
>These were more than normal men. These were High Men.
Its like Americans compared to Europeans. Americans were granted an island close to God himself but ended up having to come back to Europe to rescue its people from a dark lord (Hitler).
So how come LotR managed to be incredibly popular and NOT get politically appropriated by progressives?
shut the frick up already holy shit why are you pretending to like anything but "politically appropriated by progressives" stuff when that's ALL you ever fricking talk about?
you can't even talk about LOTR without bringing that shit up.
Good gatekeeping and impenetrable lore.
SO MANY BLUE EYES and WHITE SKIN DUDES scared me. Galadriel's ones especially. they're like from nazi's camp where they injected blue liquid into iris.
He wanted sexo with Morgoth and Galadriel because he was based, but Tolkien was a sexually repressed hack who didn't have the stomach to write mature romance. Millions died for his puritanical spergery.
Despite being evil, did Sauron have to behave all kingly/diplomatical and polite and gracious if ever receiving allies in person, like evil men from the East?
Sauron wasn't evil he just had crippling autism. He only used orcs and such because they were Morgoth's mod and he originally ran the minecraft server. Sauron just wanted to build.
Frodo didn't destroy the ring you morons.
Eru did. If you actually read the book YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS
>Eru
Whomst
I don't remember this character in the movies
>books for children, movies for children
>debating plotholes and inconsistancies
Not sure if it was brought up already but allow me to dispel a common misconception
The thing that confuzzles me is how the frick does Rohan waifu know that? Why does she know that the dagger is magical in such a way that it makes him killable? Or is this a case of she genuinely believes that the technicality of not having a penis will let her kill him and she accidentally stumbled into a win but with completely flawed reasoning?
She doesn't know anything and was just defending her crippled father, but just wanted to say the line because it sounds cool.
There are like a million fricking elves there, is he not worried about them? They aren't men either.
>There are like a million fricking elves there
Isn't it literally only Legolas in both the books and movies at the battle?
I thought the elves of Lothlorien were shown in some of the wide shots in the film but in the books it was just Gimli, Legolas, Elladan, Elrohir, a shitload of ghosts, and Merry and Pippin.
its peter jacksons LOTR, not Tolkeins
>The way is shut.
>The way is clearly open
Really, Jackson?
I would have preferred a huge flaccid penis on top of Barad-dur
Here's a really hot take: The movies are fricking fantastic, but they still largely miss the point of the novels. The novels are genuine masterpieces that will be remembered 100 years after their release, whereas the movies are extremely entertaining in their own right, but don't really touch the human spirit in that same way. Both are valuable, one is just even more valuable.
I feel the same, and the older I get the more I dislike the films - although at some point I realized that it will never get a proper adaptation because you just can't translate some of the themes from literature to film, I think it's literally impossible.
Best case scenario is if HBO or Apple acquires the rights sometime in the next 20 years and gives it a 6-8 season series.
>Best case scenario is if HBO or Apple acquires the rights sometime in the next 20 years and gives it a 6-8 season series.
Can't wait to see a whole lot of gay sex in my Tolkien adaptation.
>HBO means it has so have sex and nudity
You guys are morons, HBO is auteur-driven and just because they gave GoT the go-ahead for sex and extreme violence (because it's faithful to the source material) doesn't mean that they require it in every show.
Name a good HBO show without gay sex (or trannies, anti-white coding, Black worship and so on) in it from the past 10 years.
Name one adult show without any of that.
The Leftovers
Station Eleven
Succession
Barry
Scavenger's Reign
Chernobyl
Raised by Wolves
>The Leftovers
Precisely 10 years old since the pilot now.
>Station Eleven
Has literally disabled trannies as the heroes in it.
>Succession
"Rich white people evil" propaganda.
>Barry
Woke as frick in Season 3.
>Scavenger's Reign
Strong black women protags.
>Chernobyl
Fair enough.
>Raised by Wolves
Black and women worship.
You've completely turned your back on the world and are complaining that it's been done to you. Enjoy dying alone.
I got a happy family, while you will have a nice day because you can't be a woman.
I'm NOT a moron
there just needs to be more nudity and the films will be 10/10
cartoon did it first
Everything is a metaphor, including the Middle Earth! The actual story takes place in Los Angeles!
Bakshi's adaptation is better than Jackson's.
>B-But it's unfinished! What about Return of the King?!
Don't care
Bakshi's version was kinda bad. The rankin/bass version is the best.
the description of Frodo's vision of Sauron's eye in the mirror at Lorien is exactly like the film eye
For me it's sauronman, sauron's lackey
What about his trustworthy companion, Grimey Wormtongue?
I feel like there’s a strong correlation between people who complain about the eye in the films and being virgins. It’s a simple yet effective storytelling advice and means almost nothing except to the same morons who get pedantic about “dragon vs wyvern”