Say hello to the official twink version of Johnny Ridden, /m/. He's the new design that supersedes them all, at least that's what the translated material says on Twitter. inb4 shit gacha game material and no animu
Say hello to the official twink version of Johnny Ridden?
return of johnny ridden adaptation when
Is that by Mikimoto?
Also, the colors of the cutscenes for UC Engage really look good
was that a new cutscene or updated to the EiS cutscene?
>Mikimoto confirmed
>muh ideals
The shading looks really good here, it's like early 90s OVA style
any kind of animated Ridden at this point feels fricking unnatural
Kinda looks like bernie
I think he kinda looks like if Bernie fused with Riddhe Marcenas
Tell me about Johnny!
Why does he wear the Blaster Master helmet?
something something hired gundams
>LOTTA LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUNDAM!
Damn Kycillia fricked THAT
shit gacha game material and no animu
Not that I have any particular problem with that design, but saying it supercedes anything is meaningless garbage and won't mean anything unless later works ape that character design. Which they won't, because that require aping the art and animation style, which is too high quality for any normal animation.
Apparently Sunrise is "correcting" or "unifying" or whatever the frick you wanna call it, so yeah, this is the official design going forward. Zeonic caught this little titbit
So "Origin" is the proper 0079 canon now then? They're using Origin's style for the Salamis and the GM for Johnny Ridden's cutscene here
I'm guessing it's the style. They're using that "remake" as the new updated norm, not saying Origin supercedes anything?
I'll believe it when I see a new animation, manga and more games that all use that exact style and design. More likely, they'll approximate them with their own art style, which can and will change the proportions and even minor details as the artist wishes.
They've already started, anon. Rust Horizon has sorta. That and Code Fairy.
Johnny Ridden is on either?
manga isn't canon even in gundam ace
I don't believe anyone brought up canon, which doesn't really have anything to do with "unifying" designs anyway.
Why would manga care about canon designs when they're not? They'll continue to do their own thing
Again, "unifying" designs does not mean "unifying them within canon works and only canon works". Unifying means everything uses the same designs, whether canon or not. Which I said myself was more likely to just mean everything has the same general design but every individual artist puts their own spin on it that ends up changing them regardless.
No, Sunrise is considering it official, as in this game is canon.
Except they don't. They can't anymore.
Canon and official mean different things. Official just means they endorse it, not that it's part of any particular timeline. Loads of manga, games etc are official.
Canon is a stupid ass fricking word that the English fandom keeps harping on for no apparent reason whatsoever. The game is officially recognized by Sunrise as being a "white" label production, meaning the animated scenes are considered a part of their "official history" and not some alt-UC bullshit people keep shilling. The original stories for the game (Shin, Johnny, Pesche) are all considered a part of the official timeline. That's what Kotobuki is saying in Zeonic's image.
Either way, creators don't go into the projects their working on agonizing over whether they're work is going to be a part of official history or some parallel world or not (that's fixed later) as they also pointed out to us:
Sunrise producers set out "white" as being "only animated material (i.e. shows, OVAs and movies and not video game FMVs or anything) 20 odd years ago. At what point has that changed according to a producer?
>Sunrise producers set out "white" as being "only animated material (i.e. shows, OVAs and movies and not video game FMVs or anything) 20 odd years ago.
Yeah. 20 years ago.
Since Sunrise no long has the say over Bandai's unifying plan that statement also dies with the old producers.
Only if it's over-ridden. It's not just an automatic assumption because you want it to be.
TurnAgays BTFO. Tomino wins yet again. G-Reco is set after Turn A, period.
I think that’s referring to the main story
Oh no, Deacon is deboooooooooooooooonking again
I love how he fully embraced being the village idiot
Thanks for debunking
Debunking what, exactly? The first picture from Zeonic doesn't debunk anything, because the entire point it was posted in reply to was that such things can only be true if adhered to in future; which hasn't happened yet because that's how time works, and the second had essentially nothing to do with the post it replied to.
The bit that Zeonic translated is from almost a year ago and those changes have already been implemented via new manga that're coming out (Code Fairy and Rust Horizon), so the process has already started.
Johnny Ridden isn't in either of those though, to my knowledge.
Again, debunked WHAT?
He debunked the misinformation.
What misinformation?
The misinformation being spread online.
And what misinformation was posted specifically in this thread for that image to debunk?
Character doesn't have to appear. The mechanics (wienerpit style, etc) are already happening.
Deacon? Really hasn't. Town crier but not the idiot.
Those never had a huge amount of variance anyway, at least within depictions of the same period. They changed across the in-setting time, but not generally within depictions of them.
I don't see how you can classify someone as an idiot when they're literally one of the only people translating background material for a community of people.
Probably the fact that people are writing off this Johnny variant as being something knew and ignoring the fact that all the original aspects of the mobile phone game are considered "official" (aka canon) and the one true versions.
> I don't see how you can classify someone as an idiot when they're literally one of the only people translating background material for a community of people.
I suppose I could classify someone an idiot if I knew they were translating stuff badly/wrongly, or just had some shitty practices in general. What little I know of Deacon gives me no reason to do so though, and I certainly can't speak Moon to say whether he is or not so I take it that he is translating correctly unless someone else who shows knowledge says otherwise. As is though, I haven't called him an idiot. Ever. Not in this thread, or in any other.
> ignoring the fact that all the original aspects of the mobile phone game are considered "official" (aka canon) and the one true versions.
Johnny stuff aside, since I don't think anything else has come out since that has used the same design, official and canon are not the same thing, and the picture/quote in
doesn't say they are. Or even talk about either, really. The most it says is that some fans consider x or y thing "official history" (which is not a synonym for official), but that isn't always the case. The G-Gen games are official, but they're probably not canon by any measure I've ever seen. Every Gundam show, including the Build shows, the SD shows etc. are all official, but they are not all canon to one another; not even under the loose interpretations of Black History.
Official and canon are the same damn thing to the English fandom. They cannot separate the two. We've been over it time and again that canon doesn't fricking exist on the Japanese side, but it has to be used for the fricktard plebs in English so their brains don't rot from being unable to comprehend simple logic. Zeonic's material is on point since Mark Simmons links to him a lot via his background musings and I highly doubt be doing that with subpar shit.
Here's the deal with that Matsunaga image: anything that is appearing in the ENGAGE game is classified as official history (正史), which is the term that's been used in a lot of the higher-up data books and whatnot. So, uniforms, normal suits, wienerpit shots, weapon designs, suit reimaginings, character redesigns, anything that's from the "original" side of that game is the official standard now. Just because it hasn't appeared yet doesn't mean shit. As someone else said, Code Fairy and Rust Horizon have already started using these new designs in their respective works, so the standard begins (even if it's just for OYW atm since they haven't shown much post OYW stuff).
Ogata is talking about how fans go into things with 正史 in mind, but it's not something that creators sit down and consider when making their animated works. 正史 is the equivalent of "canon" in this case. G-Gen is not considered to be 正史. And sure, you can't tie in Build, SD, etc to one another because they're stand-alone.
> Official and canon are the same damn thing to the English fandom. They cannot separate the two. We've been over it time and again that canon doesn't fricking exist on the Japanese side,
We have, but ultimately the outcome is that the idea that Japan doesn't care about canon is horseshit. Which Deacon's picture in
does prove, since it differentiates "official history" from "parallel"; which is how the Japanese classify those things. We also have Banrise putting works like Thunderbolt in their own special areas when describing UC works on the Hathaway's site, and so on.
> G-Gen is not considered to be 正史
It is considered official though, so there is some differentiation between the two terms.
This weeb anon here treating the Japanese as some sort of different superior species or some shit. The moment you realize people from every country or even continent aren't really that different from each other because we're all human is the moment you'll stop sperging out trying to make up reasons to hate on the "western fandom".
English fandom is utter shit for Gundam, anon. There's no way around that. The fact that they try making up their own rules for a series that, quite frankly, isn't even widely available to them in their own language is fricking stupid.
They're not making up their own rules though, and Japan has been trying to create consistent lore around the Gundam shows, manga, MSV etc since 1981. Maybe even before. Shit, Shoji Kawamori got his first real break because he worked on Gunsight-1, a Gundam fanzine.
Dumbass, English fandom makes shit up, not Japan. That's what I'm getting at. English fandom can't rationalize things where as Japan can. Everything has to fit for anglotards.
And I'm saying you're wrong, because Japan has not only been making shit up for 40 years, and not only have some famous Japanese creators been among the people who started the trend in the Gundam fandom but that they got some of that fanon written in fanzines and shit canonized since they were some of the first people to write officially recognized databooks.
Did the burgers or bongs rape the villages of whatever shithole you come from or something?
No. Zeonic has debunked it.
I honestly don't know why he bothers. It's not like people are going to pay attention that they keep parroting wrong information. Sunrise can spell out everything in plain English and people would still ignore it and be like muh head canon
martyr complex, I think
They broke me /m/.
Any time I see a kinetic high-speed Gundam action sequence I -STILL- hear Kio shouting REASONS!!!.
It hasn't gone away. I'm agraid it might never go away. :~(
>More Zeonwank
frick off this is Johnny Ridden, frick OP and frick you!
Who's that loser?
>Ark Performance
There’s only one Johnny, kid.
Why the frick are they putting so much effort into a fricking mobile game
because it makes money, would you rather they half ass it? what kind of moronic logic is that
>muh canon AAAAAAAAAA
It's just a shitty franchise, why make this big of a deal over some marketing scheme?
they're mexican, canon is everything to them
>another generic blonde hair blue-eyed zeek
what did they mean by this
>another generic blonde hair blue-eyed zeek
It’s not just any another, it’s THE another generic blonde hair blue-eyed zeek.
He looks like zeex if he cut his hair cut
Gonna be honest: This Johnny looks more like someone who could pass himself off as Char.
>ITT: Canongays being idiots
I consider Origin non-canon because it's shit, I don't care about inconsistencies
If you're not a twink you're simply not a good pilot
>simply not a good pilot
Not even a pilot
Yazan is my favorite twink
Reminder that corporations don't care about canon and neither should you
I mean it won’t really affect me until it gets into an anime. And who really cares?
>ywn have a harem of beautiful blonde Zeon twinks with red mobile suits
Why am I alive?
So is his name pronounced "Ridden" as in "Rid" or "Raiden"
>MEMORIES BROKEN
>THE TRUTH GOES UNSPOKEN
>I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER MY NAAAAMEEE
It's "I've even forgotten my name" you dimwit
Raiden. He's explicitly named after the Japanese fighter plane.
Wrong. John Lydon.
RAIDEN THE LIGHTNING
Here's how I see it
It's like Missing Link where the Pale Rider's pilot was kept a mystery during the OYW segment
Then Gundam Versus went back to give that character a face based on her older look
That's basically what's going on here to my understanding, a younger version of Johnny Ridden based on his manga look
It's just an updated design of his original character. It's not that much of a variation from his encounters artwork.
If it pokes hold in the moronic logic that most people have, I'm all for it
...are you sure that's not Char Aznable?
Let's see his penis. That's the only way I'll be able to for sure know.
Has Johnny Ridden ever even been in an SRW? Why should I care about this second string nobody who couldn't lick the shit off Char's boot?
>mfw I kill a man just for the privelage of licking shit off Char's boot
Haman you got issues.
i want to frick this cute twink so badly.
why the frick did they get mikimoto for his design
he just looks like bernie now
Someone uploading the animated video. Actual Johnny action and a secret astroid base with loads of war materiel. Act Zaku, Efreet, Galbaldy Alpha, Skiure, Bigro and loads of other suits if anyone wants a crack of identifying them all.
>I shot down a bunch of unnamed mooks
Yawn, so did char.
what the frick? why do they have an efreet in space?
Not speaking Japanese, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the conversation between Ridden and that other guy was essentially;
"We can't hold them off much longer."
"That's alright, with these advanced models we'll keep working to make better mobile suits to fight for spacenoid freedom"
"Good luck, I must return to the fight. Sieg Zeon!"
"Sieg Zeon!"
In such a context, having an Efreet lying around as an example of a high performance ground mech to act as a reference/inspiration for future work makes sense.
neat, i wonder what they referenced the efreet's combat data for
Well I mean, why do they have Aggs and Juaggus in space? Because they live in space, they largely built shit in space, so I guess all their stuff is in space now that they've been kicked off Earth. Anything they left behind belongs to Feds or underground cells in hiding now.
In fairness, though, even a surface suit can be useful as long as you give it a surface to stand on. Freaking Sturm Gallus doesn't even have thrusters so they just sit it on a booster and throw it at an enemey ship where it can punch shit all it wants. In Victory the old dudes sit crippled suit on the deck because they can still act as another turret.
Blue Destiny Manga shows that it's a relatively minor effort to make the Efreet spaceworthy due to modifying the Efreet Custom to do so I think. While canonicity is debatable at best I don't see why it wouldn't be mechanically-possible in-universe
Even IGLOO shows that while the ground-type Zakus were shit in space, they were still capable of functioning on some level
There seems to be 12 distinct types in that shot besides the Big Ruf before they start copying and pasting.
Juaggu, Agg and Jurick
Gouf Flight Test Type, X and Gasshia
Gyan? and two unknowns
Can't make out what the bottom row are.
Oh look, Kycilia private /gpg/ collection shelves.
It's basically the roster of late-stage MSV and MSX. Gigan, Gasshia, Zogok, Gabaldy Alpha, Juaggu, Agg, etc.
Big boy in the middle there is Big Ruf from MSV-R, though. So this probably ties in with the MSV-R Return of Johnny Ridden manga.
My Gosh!
This thread just shows that Zeonicrager exists!
He's doing a free service for y'all with his Gundam translations and y'all still rage at him!