I really wish they'd just did like they did with Rev. Stroup and got a regular to voice Tammi after that episode. She would have been nice to see around and probably could've made for a good friend for Luanne. Just get Ashley Gardner or Lauren Tom to voice her or something.
She's definitively the shittiest character. Every character gets to endure some form of meaningful defeat or at least get hurt like when Peggy broke every bone in her body. But not Nancy who got to cheat on her husband with the man of her dreams while pretending to be moral. And she's lucky that every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all. The entire county knows she cheated on her husband and everyone agrees to keep quiet. Pure shit writing to ensure she's never castigated. This c**t's existence is one of the few smears King of the Hill has.
>every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all
They do it because they know Dale is an unstable psychopath. No one wants to open that can of worms.
>every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all
They do it because they know Dale is an unstable psychopath. No one wants to open that can of worms.
I prefer the head canon that Dale knows and is pretending not to so he can guilt trip John and Nancy via reverse psychology and being a good dad to Joseph. It fits the trend of Dale having an abundance of contingencies for absurdly niche uses and generally paranoid disposition. Obviously, Dale not knowing is supposed to be a joke taken at face value but I appreciate readings that don't ruin the joke while adding depth.
Dale doesn't know Nancy is cheating for the same reason he doesn't realize Hank stole his mower. He takes for granted that his friends are absolutely loyal to him.
Look at what he did to Hank's lawn just for canceling his pesticide sprayings. If he knew about Nancy he would have killed John Redcorn. There's your dark episode.
Aye that's the problem with telling Dale, even If friendship would require you to let him know, he'd get himself the death penalty for killing Redcorn, maybe Nacy too. Not a guarantee, but every character in the cast comes to the conclusion it would do more harm than good
He wouldn't get the death penalty, even in Texas. >A) It would have been technically accidental as some unforseen consequence of infesting his trailer with scorpions or something >B) Dale is barely competent to stand trial even at his sanest >C) Dale is white
I understood that too, the dialogue during picrelated and his whole atittude towards Redcorn and Nancy pretty much outright confirms he knows, Dale is constantly playing the fool and then showing quite the thoughtful mind
"Peggy's Headache" season 3 episode 3, best season so far in my opinion, never had watched KOTH before but i fell in love with this show. Cinemaphile hasn't failed with its recs
I've been doing a full watch through and I'd completely forgotten how many iconic jokes come from the really early seasons
>I'm a little worried about being a bawd
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I say Buckley's the biggest butthole in the whole show, even worse than Cotton
Its a very pleasant and comfy show anon, every episode is quotable
You're moronic. The entire point of the whole thing is that in spite of how Dale sees conspiracies everywhere he can't see the one that's right under his nose; you know, basic irony. And eventually it doesn't matter anyway because he still sees Joseph as his son and Joseph has no reason to think he isn't Dale's son.
C'mon man, Dale's playing some 4D chess, don't treat irony as some sort of wonderful mind blowing joke, im genuinely thinking Dale knew, his behaviour is the exact type of someone who "Knows that he knows that i don't know"
You're moronic. The entire point of the whole thing is that in spite of how Dale sees conspiracies everywhere he can't see the one that's right under his nose; you know, basic irony. And eventually it doesn't matter anyway because he still sees Joseph as his son and Joseph has no reason to think he isn't Dale's son.
>And she's lucky that every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all.
Worst part of the whole show that tries to teach lessons
she got a job at a major station and publicly embarrassed herself and lost the job drunkenly at a parade, as well as crying while being airlifted out of a forest fire
>But not Nancy who got to cheat on her husband with the man of her dreams while pretending to be moral
It's easier to forgive Nancy because Dale is the kind of guy that deserves to be cheated on.
He's a good father at most, but a general piece of shit otherwise. Nancy is awful, but she's exactly what Dale deserves, and that's why no one says anything.
Nancy improves. Nancy recognizes she fricked up with Redcorn, breaks it off, focuses on her existing relationship and loves Dale more now than she ever did
Peggy does not change. She is the same self-important idiot at the end of the series as she was at the beginning
Actually she's worse than the start, because Peggy has built up a bunch of unjustiable grudges through her idiocy and stubborness that make her even worse to be around or deal with.
Peggy is worse because it's more down to earth annoyance and pretention that's paraded around as quirky, humorous, and supposedly endearing. The one time Hank called out her "in my opinion [states obvious fact]" bullshit they chose to do it in a situation where she was in the right to negate it. Everyone knows Nancy is in the wrong and bad for doing that. The show only occasionally treats Peggy's personality, which is shared a lot more often with other female characters in series for any ages than a woman cheating on her husband, like it's bothersome. She's far more annoying. Nancy sucks but in a more obvious, admitted way.
Peggy is rarely punished or humbled even when clearly wrong. Such as when they refused to tell her outright her Spanish is terrible when she was in Mexican court, or purposefully sabotaging Bobby's thanksgiving dinner because she was jealous he was doing a better job at housekeeping (which Hank was actually supportive of). Meanwhile Nancy has been humbled plenty of times such as when she thought Dale was gonna cheat on her with that exterminator lady, getting roasted non stop by Dale when he was suing that tabbaco company, and when she made a fool of herself getting drunk on the news.
The one where Peggy gets scammed and then comes up with a 4D chess plan that includes "using" Hank's totally sexist need to "save his wife" bullshit almost made me stop watching the show. The series rewards her annoying behavior sometimes and it's insane when that happens.
Neither of those episodes or any other Peggy episode are really "wins" for Peggy. Peggy episodes SOMETIMES have her ALMOST redeem herself but then other ones like the foot fetish video episode have her basically just "getting over it" and that's as much of a victory as she even gets.
Peggy's and Hank relationship is quite a realistic depiction of what a relationshio is to be honest, Peggy is narcicistic, emotionally unstable and jealous, but she's not that mean spirited or evil like Nancy
because this character doesn't get too many episodes people don't appreciate the quiet frustration in her life. King of the Hill is great for portraying a very real picture of adultery (although cartoonishly exaggerated in terms of frequency played up for jokes etc). John Redcorn suffers the most, Nancy the secondmost and Dale suffers not at all. Hating nancy makes sense if you can't tell that she protects Dale. She's a great picture of a dumb southern housewife who thinks so little of herself and has so little self-esteem that she can only get satisfaction from outsider herself; this would have been fine if Dale didn't think so highly of her that he almost never supports her emotionally. Dale is chronically incapable of empathizing and so sees his wife as himself: stubbornly proud and confident, but in reality she is proud of nothing in her life before she met Dale. She cheats because Dale doesn't pay attention to her, whereas the lovestruck, doting, and foolish Redcorn spends all his time lavishing her with support. Redcorn has the corny chad jawline/height/physique to play up the joke even more, not to humiliate the viewer by proxy. Hating nancy has a lot to do with the viewer considering themselves more likely to be the cuckold etc, but you can be free of this mindset if you try to empathize with this dumb, self-victimizing, trapped, sad, helpless, airheaded bimbo picture of southern living.
Bobby's character is all over the place
and what the frick did Boomhauer do
The frick did Boomhauer ever do?
Boomhauer is a manprostitute who pumps and dumps women and treats them as little more than sex objects but can't deal with the fact whenever the tables are turned on him by other people be it another woman, his brother, or whoever. His "game" consists of little more than just hitting up every woman in his field of view until one eventually says yes and even Bobby, despite being a kid, realizes that's kind of disgusting and pathetic. He also doesn't seem to hold any sort of job and just gets by using... who even knows? Workman's comp and lotto winnings came up one time so he's seemingly a deadbeat with no real skills or desire to work either which is funny given all the shit that Lucky gets for doing roughly the same thing but being a better overall person as well.
And no, I don't buy that stupid last episode "reveal" because it's completely nonsensical considering the entire rest of the series. Why would he have been tossed in the mental hospital or why wouldn't it have ever come up previously in all the times where there's law enforcement stuff. You'd think they'd have done an episode about it as well. Makes more sense and is more consistent with his character if it's a fake badge he uses as a way to pick up girls.
Bro, you do remember Peggy repeatedly sabotaged her own son on multiple occasions when she got mad he was good at something and literally kidnapped a Mexican child right?
The one where she does the "What if This Baby Possum Were a Gun?" story and gets a big job in Houston then completely fails due to her own fricked up nature which it turns out being married to Dale keeps in check.
That one is much more of a "Frick Nancy" than the hair loss episode.
Remember that episode where Dale gaslights Nancy and nearly torches his marriage trying to win a lawsuit against the cigarette company? That was funny.
Peggy is honestly a great character and King of Hill would probably have been a more boring show without her. The actual worst character is Bill. Bill episodes are almost universally shitty and hard to watch because they're mostly about how pathetic he is with the exception of A Beer Can Named Desire. He even fricked up a Bobby episode which is amazing considering Bobby's probably the most well rounded character in the entire show.
The actual worst characters from an in-universe perspective are Cotton and probably Boomhauer.
Bill is a fricking five star depiction of a self pitying guy, he's got a lot of things going for him but he's tearing himself down, he's also quick to betray his friends since he ended up stealing the couch for himself, or manipulating Bobby into buying him the dog hormone crackers
Peggy is a terrible character because she eats up so much screen time. Meanwhile Nancy is bad but she's a side character and there are very few episodes that focus on her. If Peggy were more of a side character who didn't have nearly as much screen time and focus then I think she'd be way more tolerable.
You got the basic premise that deep down dale understands but I can't see him going insane and murdering redcorn and his wife. His issue is consistently that his worldview is just insane and he is incapable of recognizing that. That's the only reason he is dangerous, he acts on information that is patently wrong.
So if he found out it would become some crazy thing involving aliens, government, and/or terrorist. God knows what he would do trying to prove it.
As for which wife is worst it basically comes down to what you view as worst, Peggy will never realize she is wrong so doesn't realize her actions are terrible, Nancy knows she is in the wrong but does her actions in spite of it
I've never really understood the "PEGGY IS BAD" crowd. Like, the point of the character is that she is conceited, arrogant and often wrong. That's where the humour is derived from, you aren't meant to agree with Peggy and think she's right for mispronouncing Spanish words, she's the butt of the joke. The show doesn't need to "punish" her when it's abundantly clear that she is in the wrong, even if she gets bailed out by others it's still underscored by how the characters all understand that they are all right, and that it's not worth the effort to prove her wrong or point out her failings. Again, she is the punchline to the joke in these instances, not the character you are meant to be rooting for.
I hate Nancy so fricking much. What an utter piece of shit. People will excuse or try to downpl
-ay her actions because she has the right chromosomes, but It doesn't pass with me
Boy howdy. You would love the episode when she becomes insecure of her age when Luanne takes her job because of her young good looks or whatever.
>I hate Nancy
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it's simple anon, nancy is hot, peggy is not
>peggy
>sexy voice
>pent up sex energy
>loves her man
>nancy
>ugly hair
>cucks her husband almost any time she can, never admits to said cucking to her husband
>no sex energy
ok hank
Has Hank ever been wrong? No
you look at
and tell me this woman isn't an amazing lay, Hank knows his stuff, good pussy makes a man go yep i tell you hwat
in the the same episode she is confused by a man and a lesbian
Shut up Bill.
Peggy wouldn't make me raise someone else's kid, that automatically makes her hotter, and she constantly wants to be Inpregnated.
I really wish they'd just did like they did with Rev. Stroup and got a regular to voice Tammi after that episode. She would have been nice to see around and probably could've made for a good friend for Luanne. Just get Ashley Gardner or Lauren Tom to voice her or something.
She's definitively the shittiest character. Every character gets to endure some form of meaningful defeat or at least get hurt like when Peggy broke every bone in her body. But not Nancy who got to cheat on her husband with the man of her dreams while pretending to be moral. And she's lucky that every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all. The entire county knows she cheated on her husband and everyone agrees to keep quiet. Pure shit writing to ensure she's never castigated. This c**t's existence is one of the few smears King of the Hill has.
What about the episode where her hair starts falling out? She's basically doomed to wear a wig (like her mother, who also was adulterous).
>every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all
They do it because they know Dale is an unstable psychopath. No one wants to open that can of worms.
No he isn't. He caught John Redcorn stealing his lawnmower but didn't do anything about it.
I prefer the head canon that Dale knows and is pretending not to so he can guilt trip John and Nancy via reverse psychology and being a good dad to Joseph. It fits the trend of Dale having an abundance of contingencies for absurdly niche uses and generally paranoid disposition. Obviously, Dale not knowing is supposed to be a joke taken at face value but I appreciate readings that don't ruin the joke while adding depth.
Dale doesn't know Nancy is cheating for the same reason he doesn't realize Hank stole his mower. He takes for granted that his friends are absolutely loyal to him.
Look at what he did to Hank's lawn just for canceling his pesticide sprayings. If he knew about Nancy he would have killed John Redcorn. There's your dark episode.
Aye that's the problem with telling Dale, even If friendship would require you to let him know, he'd get himself the death penalty for killing Redcorn, maybe Nacy too. Not a guarantee, but every character in the cast comes to the conclusion it would do more harm than good
He wouldn't get the death penalty, even in Texas.
>A) It would have been technically accidental as some unforseen consequence of infesting his trailer with scorpions or something
>B) Dale is barely competent to stand trial even at his sanest
>C) Dale is white
>dale is a creep and kills his beautiful southern white wife
You don't know how much a texan prosecutor would be salivating to merc his ass.
He wouldn't have killed Nancy
>Hey John Redcorn, mess with my wife huh?
You sound like a cuck
>Dale knows and is pretending not to
That episode where he was in that hot sauna showed he does know the truth at the very least subconsciously
I understood that too, the dialogue during picrelated and his whole atittude towards Redcorn and Nancy pretty much outright confirms he knows, Dale is constantly playing the fool and then showing quite the thoughtful mind
episode?
"Peggy's Headache" season 3 episode 3, best season so far in my opinion, never had watched KOTH before but i fell in love with this show. Cinemaphile hasn't failed with its recs
I've been doing a full watch through and I'd completely forgotten how many iconic jokes come from the really early seasons
>I'm a little worried about being a bawd
I say Buckley's the biggest butthole in the whole show, even worse than Cotton
Its a very pleasant and comfy show anon, every episode is quotable
C'mon man, Dale's playing some 4D chess, don't treat irony as some sort of wonderful mind blowing joke, im genuinely thinking Dale knew, his behaviour is the exact type of someone who "Knows that he knows that i don't know"
Don't forget about Mr. Strickland buddy.
You're moronic. The entire point of the whole thing is that in spite of how Dale sees conspiracies everywhere he can't see the one that's right under his nose; you know, basic irony. And eventually it doesn't matter anyway because he still sees Joseph as his son and Joseph has no reason to think he isn't Dale's son.
>And she's lucky that every single other character in the show agrees to maintain her cheating a secret for absolutely no reason at all.
Worst part of the whole show that tries to teach lessons
she got a job at a major station and publicly embarrassed herself and lost the job drunkenly at a parade, as well as crying while being airlifted out of a forest fire
>But not Nancy who got to cheat on her husband with the man of her dreams while pretending to be moral
It's easier to forgive Nancy because Dale is the kind of guy that deserves to be cheated on.
He's a good father at most, but a general piece of shit otherwise. Nancy is awful, but she's exactly what Dale deserves, and that's why no one says anything.
Nancy improves. Nancy recognizes she fricked up with Redcorn, breaks it off, focuses on her existing relationship and loves Dale more now than she ever did
Peggy does not change. She is the same self-important idiot at the end of the series as she was at the beginning
Actually she's worse than the start, because Peggy has built up a bunch of unjustiable grudges through her idiocy and stubborness that make her even worse to be around or deal with.
Peggy is worse because it's more down to earth annoyance and pretention that's paraded around as quirky, humorous, and supposedly endearing. The one time Hank called out her "in my opinion [states obvious fact]" bullshit they chose to do it in a situation where she was in the right to negate it. Everyone knows Nancy is in the wrong and bad for doing that. The show only occasionally treats Peggy's personality, which is shared a lot more often with other female characters in series for any ages than a woman cheating on her husband, like it's bothersome. She's far more annoying. Nancy sucks but in a more obvious, admitted way.
Peggy isn't always wrong though, sure she hits and misses often but sometimes she's right
Peggy is rarely punished or humbled even when clearly wrong. Such as when they refused to tell her outright her Spanish is terrible when she was in Mexican court, or purposefully sabotaging Bobby's thanksgiving dinner because she was jealous he was doing a better job at housekeeping (which Hank was actually supportive of). Meanwhile Nancy has been humbled plenty of times such as when she thought Dale was gonna cheat on her with that exterminator lady, getting roasted non stop by Dale when he was suing that tabbaco company, and when she made a fool of herself getting drunk on the news.
The one where Peggy gets scammed and then comes up with a 4D chess plan that includes "using" Hank's totally sexist need to "save his wife" bullshit almost made me stop watching the show. The series rewards her annoying behavior sometimes and it's insane when that happens.
that's really dramatic, anon.
i can't think of any other episode besides the cocaine one where peggy really wins
Neither of those episodes or any other Peggy episode are really "wins" for Peggy. Peggy episodes SOMETIMES have her ALMOST redeem herself but then other ones like the foot fetish video episode have her basically just "getting over it" and that's as much of a victory as she even gets.
Peggy's and Hank relationship is quite a realistic depiction of what a relationshio is to be honest, Peggy is narcicistic, emotionally unstable and jealous, but she's not that mean spirited or evil like Nancy
because this character doesn't get too many episodes people don't appreciate the quiet frustration in her life. King of the Hill is great for portraying a very real picture of adultery (although cartoonishly exaggerated in terms of frequency played up for jokes etc). John Redcorn suffers the most, Nancy the secondmost and Dale suffers not at all. Hating nancy makes sense if you can't tell that she protects Dale. She's a great picture of a dumb southern housewife who thinks so little of herself and has so little self-esteem that she can only get satisfaction from outsider herself; this would have been fine if Dale didn't think so highly of her that he almost never supports her emotionally. Dale is chronically incapable of empathizing and so sees his wife as himself: stubbornly proud and confident, but in reality she is proud of nothing in her life before she met Dale. She cheats because Dale doesn't pay attention to her, whereas the lovestruck, doting, and foolish Redcorn spends all his time lavishing her with support. Redcorn has the corny chad jawline/height/physique to play up the joke even more, not to humiliate the viewer by proxy. Hating nancy has a lot to do with the viewer considering themselves more likely to be the cuckold etc, but you can be free of this mindset if you try to empathize with this dumb, self-victimizing, trapped, sad, helpless, airheaded bimbo picture of southern living.
Not falling for that one, besides I don't even have wife so your completely off
That was an interesting take, except that you think Dale is proud and confident. He is not.
>Dale suffers not at all.
You’re a moron
>John Redcorn suffers the most
Actually I take it back, John Redcorn is the biggest piece of shit after Cotton but before Boomhauer.
>Boomhauer
hwhat?
I guess for the time he cucked bill with dido music?
Boomhauer is a manprostitute who pumps and dumps women and treats them as little more than sex objects but can't deal with the fact whenever the tables are turned on him by other people be it another woman, his brother, or whoever. His "game" consists of little more than just hitting up every woman in his field of view until one eventually says yes and even Bobby, despite being a kid, realizes that's kind of disgusting and pathetic. He also doesn't seem to hold any sort of job and just gets by using... who even knows? Workman's comp and lotto winnings came up one time so he's seemingly a deadbeat with no real skills or desire to work either which is funny given all the shit that Lucky gets for doing roughly the same thing but being a better overall person as well.
And no, I don't buy that stupid last episode "reveal" because it's completely nonsensical considering the entire rest of the series. Why would he have been tossed in the mental hospital or why wouldn't it have ever come up previously in all the times where there's law enforcement stuff. You'd think they'd have done an episode about it as well. Makes more sense and is more consistent with his character if it's a fake badge he uses as a way to pick up girls.
So you think he's the worst person of the entire cast because he fricks around... This is a new level of pathetic incel
no because he's a cop, frick him
stop being a shitter darkie
I think he's a pretty shitty person yeah. He benefits from having maybe two episodes where he's the focus so there's no reason to show as much of it.
You're moronic
Why should I not think a lazy layabout PUA isn't shitty?
Bro, you do remember Peggy repeatedly sabotaged her own son on multiple occasions when she got mad he was good at something and literally kidnapped a Mexican child right?
Pouring out his chocolate milk because he wanted someone else cutting his hair was maximum petty
The one where she does the "What if This Baby Possum Were a Gun?" story and gets a big job in Houston then completely fails due to her own fricked up nature which it turns out being married to Dale keeps in check.
That one is much more of a "Frick Nancy" than the hair loss episode.
Remember that episode where Dale gaslights Nancy and nearly torches his marriage trying to win a lawsuit against the cigarette company? That was funny.
Peggy is honestly a great character and King of Hill would probably have been a more boring show without her. The actual worst character is Bill. Bill episodes are almost universally shitty and hard to watch because they're mostly about how pathetic he is with the exception of A Beer Can Named Desire. He even fricked up a Bobby episode which is amazing considering Bobby's probably the most well rounded character in the entire show.
The actual worst characters from an in-universe perspective are Cotton and probably Boomhauer.
Bobby's character is all over the place
and what the frick did Boomhauer do
The frick did Boomhauer ever do?
Bill is a fricking five star depiction of a self pitying guy, he's got a lot of things going for him but he's tearing himself down, he's also quick to betray his friends since he ended up stealing the couch for himself, or manipulating Bobby into buying him the dog hormone crackers
Nancy at least hides her shame and raises her son. Peggy just doesn't shut her idiot mouth.
I've never known a Nancy. If you're unaware of what's going on behind closed doors, she comes off as 'salright.
I've known Peggys.
I despise nancy but I loathe peggy. in a room with me, peggy, and satan I would ally with satan because peggy is that detestable.
Peggy is a terrible character because she eats up so much screen time. Meanwhile Nancy is bad but she's a side character and there are very few episodes that focus on her. If Peggy were more of a side character who didn't have nearly as much screen time and focus then I think she'd be way more tolerable.
You got the basic premise that deep down dale understands but I can't see him going insane and murdering redcorn and his wife. His issue is consistently that his worldview is just insane and he is incapable of recognizing that. That's the only reason he is dangerous, he acts on information that is patently wrong.
So if he found out it would become some crazy thing involving aliens, government, and/or terrorist. God knows what he would do trying to prove it.
As for which wife is worst it basically comes down to what you view as worst, Peggy will never realize she is wrong so doesn't realize her actions are terrible, Nancy knows she is in the wrong but does her actions in spite of it
Nancy is quiet. That is her biggest advantage over Peggy.
I want to pound Peggy's pussy
t. Hank
Would you Cinemaphile ? I know i would
the question is who wouldn't Bill
Not when her daughter exists
actual succubus
I've never really understood the "PEGGY IS BAD" crowd. Like, the point of the character is that she is conceited, arrogant and often wrong. That's where the humour is derived from, you aren't meant to agree with Peggy and think she's right for mispronouncing Spanish words, she's the butt of the joke. The show doesn't need to "punish" her when it's abundantly clear that she is in the wrong, even if she gets bailed out by others it's still underscored by how the characters all understand that they are all right, and that it's not worth the effort to prove her wrong or point out her failings. Again, she is the punchline to the joke in these instances, not the character you are meant to be rooting for.
childhood is hating peggy
adulthood is realizing she's arlen middle school substitute teacher of the year three years in a row! hoo yeah!