Sayonara americans pigu

It literally wasn't
Point at the law of war
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Satan has his claws in you but I know you can break his influence, FIGHT IT

YOU GOTTA FIGHT IT

THOU SHALT NOT KILL - SAY IT

I've had countless arguments; primarily statements of historical fact; from the very beginning, nearly all of which you have completely failed or refused to address.

Yes, the squealing indignation from non-Americans over Hiroshima and Nagasaki; which were at their core simply the last two examples of a city being destroyed by bombs in a war that was composed of THOUSANDS of "cities being destroyed by bombs"; is largely motivated solely by leftist inherent sympathy for non-whites and inherent demonization of whites, especially whites that are American.
That is 100% why you squeal over Hiroshima but don't squeal over Hamburg or Berlin. Because "those evil Nazis (i.e. whites) deserved it!".

You don't like having this motivation highlighted, because you want to do people into thinking that you are somehow "politically neutral" when you aren't.

>you speak of the leftists who are the most american of all
You're talking about anybody else not making sense?
Spoiler alert for you since you've apparently been under a rock for the past Century: The Leftist narrative for 70 fricking years has been "America bad, America racist, America oppressive, America homophobic, America imperialist, America warmonger, America evil capitalism, only people who love America are dumb racist rednecks".
That's why I'm pulling down historical statues of American historical figures. That's why it's always left us chimping out and destroying America every election year.

You would know troony

it's not the thing, it's the mindset

That photo was being generous even considering they actually have a gun.
Hirohito literally implemented programs were schoolchildren, male and female, as young as the second grade, we're taught to attack and kill American soldiers AND American humanitarian-workers with sharpened sticks of bamboo and fight to the death rather than peaceably surrender.
It was literally ANYTHING before surrender when it came to the Japanese. When they dug themselves into gun pits and we're begged to surrender and save themselves rather than just fight to the death, countless members of them chose to remain and literally get varied alive by bulldozers ceiling the pits to allow the soldiers to pass rather than to surrender.

Anti-American Euro-troons will never accept facts like these, because they cannot bring themselves to admit that non-American non-Whites could ever be in the wrong compared to American Whites. Remember: White, Bad; not-White, Good.

Do you think they wouldn't have shifted resources over from the theatres where there was no longer active fighting?

Your dipshit posts was literally contradicted by multiple posts earlier in the thread.

Roosevelt instigated the war. Bad things happened. Yes, I'm absolutely blaming him.

>Place desired enemy in a position where they must fight, or revert back to the stone age
I DINDU NUFFIN

>we literally HAVE to invade China, SEAsia, the Philipines, Australia, and Indonesia
>you're literally genociding us if you don't support us

>we literally HAVE to invade China, SEAsia, the Philipines, Australia, and Indonesia
>you're literally genociding us if you don't support us

yes, the right thing to do would've been to continue mutually beneficial trade

They get rid of stuff they don't need, and receive things that they do need. Have they not taught you the concept of trade in school yet?

it's just regular trade. all that other bs you were talking about were just fabrications of the conspiracists wanting to drive the country into war.

I'll give you 50 bucks to frick your wife
If you say no I'm going to shank you and do it anyways
Of you decline you are literally committing a hate crime against me

Here's a good way for Japan to get its oil and steel supplies back: pull out of Indochina and stop the war in China

>why is Japan encroaching on America's territories and allies going against America's interests?
Not too bright are you, anon?

Everyone had extensive business and other dealings in China, which to put it mildly, weren't helped by a horrendous war which left tens of millions dead.
The war weakened the Nationalist regime, empowered the communists, and increasingly destabilized Japan.
The war cemented the control of the military over Japan's domestic affairs, raising the spectre of further adventurism (part of the rationale for occupying Indochina was to cut off supply routes to China). After all, if you're pouring so much of the national effort into your military, and you've got insoluble national problems...you can't just let your investment go to waste, no?
Indochina could and was meant to serve as a logistical/aeronautical base for further operations in the area. The bombers that sank the HMS Prince of Wales and the HMS Repulse flew from Vietnam.

NOT FRICKING ALLIES

>There's nothing Japan did to hurt America's interests
America had a trading interest in China that Japan was disrupting
Japan invaded a colony of noted US ally France
Japan was directly threatening the American territory of the Philippines

NOT FRICKING ALLIES

>a country cannot accept the loss of oil and steel, and still continue existing
And somehow, Japan's conclusion wasn't "don't needlessly antagonize the countries selling you vital materials that you can't otherwise obtain" but rather "do whatever you want, you need them so they're obliged to supply you"

So if I wanted to buy bullets from you and told you I was going to use them to kill your family, you'd go ahead and sell them to me right?

Part of the rationale for the embargoes was that war-relevant materiel going to Japan could be better used for the buildup domestically. Japan was largely paying for imports in hard currency anyway, and the US had no shortage of dollars.

They were not. Roosevelt just needed an excuse to get into the war, and that's where he could find it.

None of you gays have posted anything ITT to counter any claim. You just whine about propganda and israelites.

You're the one that's ignoring facts, moron. You've responded to several posts filled with actual facts and bullet points of data, and you responded with nothing but lazy two sentence dismissals and statements reaffirming your own ignorance.
Who the frick was talking about the Rothschilds? Psychotic shithead.

Yeah, you always go in with a toppy request to open negotiations. Don't get me wrong I think nuking them was reasonable, but they were willing to surrender, we will never know what the final terms would have been, obviously.

You got a source for that? As far as I know it never got anywhere near anything like actual terms, just feelers with respect to getting the Soviets to mediate, not even an actual negotiation.

>Point at the law of war

>didn't even deny it
Relax shit skin

yes, the US arranged for the Japanese to launch an attack on Pearl Harbor.
that is correct. that is what happened.

Just believe whatever the authority figure told you, child.

Weapons had moved on a little bit in the intervening 70 years, and the armies involved were far larger too.

There were still over 140 active divisions (at least 5 million personnel) in the IJA in '45. Plus they were extremely dug in on the home islands and supported by all sorts of volunteer and ad-hoc civilian forces.

Keep coping

Yawn, keep coping

Everything you said was based on fees fees and also really transparent attempts to justify using a weapon that didn't need to be used. At least I'm smart enough to understand its real purpose, which was both strategic as well as punishment for Pearl Harbor.

You're still drinking the propaganda koolaid instead of just admitting America committed war crimes and the only reason it got away with it was because it won the war. Which is fine but also you shouldn't cry too much when this sort of reasoning boomerangs back at you.

>it's just that only the winners get to prosecute those on the other side
Fix'd. Also most Japs today aren't bitter about the bombings, they just accept it was something that happened in war. But you're never going to see any of them talking about it the way burgers seem to fanfic in their heads, that every Jap man, woman and child would have suicided rather than surrendered, especially when most of them had never even seen combat.

>that every Jap man, woman and child would have suicided rather than surrendered, especially when most of them had never even seen combat
Why was that unbelievable at the time? Especially given the GI's experience with Kamikazes, false surrenders, massed bayonet charges, and enemy combatants playing dead, which weren't really seen in any other theater of the war.

>women and children would kill a million of them
The IJA still had over 5 millions troops, you fricking moron. The civilian ad hoc forces were in addition to this.

>Germany also tried to prepare its civilians to fight to the last,
Yes, and the Volksstrum still succeeded in killing people and committing atrocities, despite being doomed to fail.

>The fact is that a blockade would've been very effective and an invasion wasn't even necessary
Autarky was a MAJOR doctrine of Japan's geopolitical strategy

>It's a matter of public record that the Japanese were already suing for peace before the nukes got dropped
Yeah and they wanted to keep their military, prevent an occupation, and let their war criminals go. It doesn't work like that, especially when you throw the first punch and have a reputation for being underhanded in combat.

>the end we did let them keep their military
We didn't though. It would be an entire decade before their "self defense force" was created

>And the main sticking point was keeping the emperor, which again we let them keep.
Weeb cope. The main demands included a military occupation, disarmament, and trial of certain war criminals.

>Either way, they were already at the negotiating stage, which that makes the case for nuking them even weaker.
And that's not how negotiating works. You don't take your foot off the gas and give your enemies what they want just because they start losing and want to cut their losses.

>engage in a total war that you started
>decide that you've had enough when you start losing
>the enemy continues to engage in total war because they think you're on the ropes and can get better peace terms
>NOOOOO YOU CANT DOOO THAT ITS NOT FAAAAIR
Like I said before, you're all just a bunch of butthurt sore losers.

I accept your concession. You may now leave my thread

>but what about that time America
Yeah that's what I thought. See you in the next Miyazaki/Oppenheimer thread so I can shit on your chest again.

>And the main sticking point was keeping the emperor, which again we let them keep.
Hirohito kept his head, but the Emperor (the living god who was the cornerstone of the state Shinto death cult) died in a very real sense

躺平

Yea after the fricking israelites were stealing our tax money and secrets to sell to China for decades. They would have never made it communist all alone after wwII.

I understand you've grown up on this bullshit to the point where it's basically a religion for you. I was the same way, but then I started applying critical thought and realizing our leaders aren't saints, especially back then.

If you'd rather tell yourself some fairy tale about how everything the Allies did was holy and everything the Axis did was pure evil, be my guest. Something tells me you really need that to be true or your world would just collapse in on itself.

>weep and wring their hands over the downfall of Imperial Japan
I can't find a single post that said this, you're basically creating strawmen at this point. Again, you probably need this fairy tale version of history to be true and that's fine. But I've already outgrown it and so you'll have to find someone else to validate your way of thinking.

>Quote the rest
Or what? You gonna cry?

>actually crying
Oof.

See:

How is there any conflict in those statements? Do you have ANY idea how grotesquely huge and costly in terms of manpower and casualties and actual full-scale land invasion of the Japanese mainland would have been? Especially considering the tactics that they used in the island-hopping portion of the campaign?

I love how consistent this pattern is. The people demonizing Whites/Americans are consistently the biggest mouth-breathing, lip-smacking morons on the planet, ignorant of basic historical facts as well as just genuine logic. It's practically invariable. No coincidence that the pro-American posts are consistently lengthy, well thought out cite multiple facts, all the anti-American ones are lazy one to two sentences, one of which is usually an ad hom, and address nothing in the post that they are replying to, while also being peppered with juvenile, autistic grammatical problems and spelling-errors.

>critical thinking
>making an argument, getting proven wrong, then immediately giving up on it
>then move to some vague appeal to “wellll… the gubernent is bad you know”
Almost like there’s nuance to things and you can’t understand that because you’ve been “brainwashed” into this mindset that the American government is always the bad guy

Anon your argument has collapsed completely. You just pivot from one emotional appeal to the next. Like a panicked squid running from a shark.
>well the guberment isn’t squeaky clean yknow
>well America isn’t perfect you know
>well there are good people on the other side
As if any of that is what’s being argued. You’ve been defeated soundly by the other anon and now you need to do this Reddit move of psychoanalyzing him to show he’s arguing from a disingenuous place. It’s lame

Thinking it's a matter of good guys versus bad guys shows you missed the point. There is no good or bad, only interests. Both sides committed war crimes but the winners get to write history. It's just that simple.

>There are better sides
Yes, they're called the ones who won. There is no right or wrong, only winners and losers.

just spewing shit instead of offering any relevant information to the contrary.
US bad because you don't like Murica.
if I was spewing propaganda, you'd be able to offer an alterative other than US bad.

>America committed war crimes
Alright homosexual, the US firebombing campaign was nothing short of a warcrime. As a side note, Dresden was justified fully and in no sense a warcrime.

I do say so, but its a shame it did happen. The soviets having to take it by force would have been much better. More dead commies and more dead krauts.

Killing civilians is either a war crime or it isn't. If you can justify it then so can everyone else and we should stop trying to hold anyone accountable for war crimes if that's the line of reasoning you're going with.

That’s simplistic to the point of stupidity.
>killin bad or killin good, one or the other, choose
Everyone knows there’s a difference between unexpected collateral damage, Expected collateral damage for the purpose of ending a war quicker, and targeting civilians. 9th graders learn this fact when they read “A separate peace”. There are people who dedicate their lives to studying the legality and ethics of war, and yet you think you’re on to something by boiling it down to moron speak

>if you can justify lying any lie can be justified
>if you can justify shooting a guy trying to murder you then any shooting can be justified
I’m sorry anon but you have a 10th grade understanding of ethics and morality. That’s not how people view the world.

By this logic, there are no such things as war crimes since during a war, every city of a nation would be involved in the war effort.

The only way crimes the Americans committed in the Pacific were
1) unrestricted submarine warfare, which literally everyone did and nobody not even the Nazis were persecuted for postwar
2) marines refusing to accept Japanese surrenders because they kept on committing perfidy
3) marines desecrating Japanese bodies but that was mostly to make sure they were really dead