I'm currently watching this. Just finished the second episode. So far I'm enjoying it a lot. I really do like the art and world that the show takes place in.
So it's the bearded guys fault that the space ship malfunctioned?
Why is he going around killing things for the ayy lmao monkey instead of gathering fruit?
Also that flower scene with the tiny alien was weird, are the plants sentient?
What's your point anon? Just means we're ahead of the curve on this
So it's the bearded guys fault that the space ship malfunctioned?
Why is he going around killing things for the ayy lmao monkey instead of gathering fruit?
Also that flower scene with the tiny alien was weird, are the plants sentient?
>So it's the bearded guys fault that the space ship malfunctioned?
that scene where he was saying he'd deal with an issue on the ship does suggest it was his fault, but I think it's a bit ambiguous.
I think it implies he blames himself for the malfunction (even if maybe it wasn't' caused by him) and the death of his gf. Personally I'm ready to believe the cause was something else due to how mysterious/magical/psychic some of the creatures are on the planet.
Its a good show in that it is clean looking, but past its animation, its pretty weak... The setting, plot, characters, voice actors, and style are average if I'm being generous. I like it, but until the plot gets a bit further along, I doubt it will be talked about that much.
s1e6: ooh weak white men and e6 is toxic masculinity the tv show. Oh white man bad -- hiding his weakness (despite his compliments to his companion just last episode) -- "bottling it up" toxic, toxic masculainty le bad man
powerufl brown queens rule now chuds
they're just such original, good writers aren't theyll. The writing team is certainly not just repackaging the stuff they saw discussed by people on Twitter and Tumblr right? Chewed up and spat out vaguely remembered ideas mentioned in passing by a sociology professor in college.
1. I'm talking about what they wrote, not who wrote it.
2. Specifically, I'm talking about a modern, increasingly ubiquitous, increasingly cliche trope: "white man bad." I don't like that it has cropped up in my new favorite sci-fi fantasy cartoon. And I think it's not just in bad taste, but poorly done. Scavenger's Reign isn't an insightful exploration of toxic masculinity, instead the show does it where it didn't need to and it does it in a way that's been done to death in the last few years. It's derivative, boring, and lazy writing. It makes my eyes roll.
>incompetent, silly, overly-emotional white men (subverts the trope I'm familiar with from Boomer era media, where it's the woman that are overly-emotional and often incompetent.) >White people are foil for... Extra smart, hyper-competent, self-aware and thoughtful POC.
There's more as well. And the larger reason I don't like this trope. The "reversal of roles" doesn't even work to eliminate the inequities in media-represention the artists/producers/writers are intending to address because by directly reversing the roles they enforce the original roles away with people who are familiar with them. Also, if media is representing White people like Black people used to be portrayed in a systematic way, then they're pushing precisely the racist, and gendered tropes they think they're rebelling against to the next generation, just with the skin colors and genders reversed.
i never recall ursula being hyper competent. i feel like she's very clumsy yet adventurous, while sam is the more wise and 'stay safe' one. then again i've only watched the first three episodes
>save husky white guy from the huge beetle, slaying it >saves him from the bony birds which kidnapped him >saves him from the womb-plant-clone
Meanwhile she chastises him for dealing with the Kamen situation back about Demeter incorrectly (even thought there was no evidence she witnessed it) and of course after the little alien at the wall (where she was able to intuit that the bird feather would open the wall -- while he did nothing) I do believe he had a little emotional meltdown. What does he do?
Of course I'm not opposed to a woman hero in a story. But this is part of a larger pattern which many have noticed. It's a subversion of the usual tropes. And not that those tropes don't need subverting sometimes -- ofc they do that's part of keeping things fresh... The problem is we have seen this feminist subversion once or twice before.
>saves him from the bony birds which kidnapped him
That doesn't even happen though. Sam already freed himself by the time Ursula gets up there.
Sam's not written to be a bumbling fool, or an egotistical jerk, or even hyper-emotional. He's the one that's focus on the mission, getting back to the Demeter. And if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, getting yourself separated because of a strange flower would be seen by most to be foolish, so he's not wrong to be peeved.
Sam isn't playing the 'white man bad' cliche, he's playing the 'old mentor" cliche if anything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
This. We're also only 6 eps in but I'm still sticking to the shroom clone theory
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that scene in Ep.1 was cut really weirdly, if they didn't want you to think that Ursula died in the Tetsuo mushroom hole then they weren't trying very hard.
theres hints of this but i'd also say its more of a young and open / old and stubborn situation. two opposites working together. he rightfully berates her for stopping and witnessing some plant miracle, which couldve easily been some form of trap, but thats also playing into the youthfullness and curiosity theme.
Look. In the end, when the political pendulum swings back once more as it has in the past, and more media is produced where this isn't the case, you will be able to look back and enjoy the story for what it is, without the political brainrot infecting your mind and appreciation of what could be the new era of adult animation
7 months ago
Anonymous
I hope corporate tax write-offs prevent me of that.
You are shizo, Sam is a main character too and he is a good guy. You are like tumblr just in reverse, you both can't do shit without interpreting every fricking thing as toxic masculinity.
There are certainly a lot of cartoons that deserve hate for this but I am not seeing that for SR, you should shit on amphibia, owls house, adventure time, bojack and others instead because they are actually obvious with it. Kamen is just a crazy fricker, it would be dumb if every villain had to be black from now on and female villains are always fricking shit.
>s1e6: ooh weak white men and e6 is toxic masculinity the tv show. Oh white man bad -- hiding his weakness (despite his compliments to his companion just last episode) -- "bottling it up" toxic, toxic masculainty le bad man >powerufl brown queens rule now chuds
Nothing in how white beard is writen is reflective of any of that. You are mentally hill, please consult someone.
How many episodes are in this season?
3 episode batch release seems like it's burning through material pretty fast for something not on single release.
It seems like we might see kamen getting a redemption arc, first we see Ursula telling Sam that the crash wasn't solely him, and to give some sympathy to him.
Then we get to see that he isn't totally selfish and remorseless, again painting him as somewhat sympathetic, he'll probably die by the end of it, but not too bad.
Also who else thinks the old woman that ursula saw was the same woman as from the original AS short?
It seems like we might see kamen getting a redemption arc, first we see Ursula telling Sam that the crash wasn't solely him, and to give some sympathy to him.
Then we get to see that he isn't totally selfish and remorseless, again painting him as somewhat sympathetic, he'll probably die by the end of it, but not too bad.
Also who else thinks the old woman that ursula saw was the same woman as from the original AS short?
>Also who else thinks the old woman that ursula saw was the same woman as from the original AS short?
That would actually be a really cool idea.
I'm having mixed feelings about this show.
On the one hand I really enjoy the theme of survivalist trying to find use out of the nature around them.
On the other it all ends up feeling a bit too convenient
I think a bigger cast with the occasional death from unknown interactions would do a lot to sell the idea that this is a dangerous place. Right now, things that look dangerous or even fatal are kinda brushed off by lucky breaks or plain cartoon logic (sam losing liters of blood from a mosquito the size of a car but only coming out a little tired is a good example).
Starting to think maybe that's the point and the nature in that place just changes based on people's expectations of it, but probably not.
>On the other it all ends up feeling a bit too convenient
Yep, they've got far too much knowledge of how things work with only a couple of months worth of time spent on this planet. If they had a PAI that could scan things and give them ideas I might be able to see it, but just picking up random critters and putting them on your face to work as gas mask on a completely alien planet is laughable.
I feel like the three episodes that just premiered had a whole lot of nothing going on in them. I guess that's to be expected from a show with a premise of 'we're at point A and we need to get to point B, which is only a couple days' hike from here'. It's not a big deal, but it does feel distracting.
Why was there so much time spent on Azi and those paralyzing floating mushrooms? It felt unnecessary having to see how the fish could eat the infectious material, since we've seen time and time again that the planet is home to a vast and interconnected ecosystem. It's purely retreading past territory, and I feel like drawn-out scenes like that are meant only to draw out the run time.
Now that our protags are within spitting distance of the Demeter with an entire half of the show left, I worry that the pacing may get worse. I'm specifically worried about them dragging Azi's plotline out, now that Levi got the swim in the river it wanted .
Hopefully the show will begin to gather all our mains soon enough. The slow pacing feels at odds with how more and more people in the cryo chambers seem to be dead with every passing episode.
The point of Azi’s plot with the fuzzy bug was for her to bond with Levi and accept them as a person with agency. That’s very important for when Levi gets FROGGED I feel like the plot is actually moving very quickly, I’m not sure how they can fill 6 more episodes.
For I simply forgot it was thursday and now it's too late to watch it. For others it might be
Frick I am busy watching Pluto. There is almost nothing but shit airing in Japan as well as the west for years and now they put all the good shit out at the same time. Didn't even watch Pantheon s2 yet because I didn't even know it dropped till now
, I might be wrong but I wouldn't wonder if there was some overlap between fans of SR and fans of Pluto that was dropped today.
Most anons didn't even know when the next episodes are released, since it usually takes more than a week for streaming services to upload the next batch and some told me that HBO+ algorithms were kind of burring the series.
Recommend it to me, anon. I'll like it and will even watch it, but in return, you have to give me the original version without the shitting toothpaste.
honestly I really like the show's primal-esque fashion, of with each new biome, we get a new "mini-boss" creature that is totally unique, challenging and how the character deals with them. I don't get why people are so upset, its simple, yet stimulating.
everytime something good comes around it a lot of people expect the world of it and then in turn get dissapointed. >great visuals >creative flora & fauna >show dont tell philosophy
the plot is simple, the main characters aren´t memorable and the rules of the world are basically "lol weirdo magic" but its a really nice show. gives me the feels while watching it like nothing else (in terms of shows) has.
They really should have gotten a biologist on staff, the ecosystem is nonsensical and the writing is pretentious drivel with piss poor voice acting on top of that, only good thing about it is the background art since the character art is bland as frick. I gave it three episodes to impress me and had low expectations but it still disappointed.
when you think of the whole biosphere as a caricature of a real ecosystem, it makes more sense I think, and arguably better than the ecosystems of primal and other shows like it, where the focus is only predator/prey, and a very base-level look into disease and parasitism.
This show gives you much more "complex" representations, and are definitely exaggerated, but I love seeing the complex mutualistic parasitic and interspecies competitive interactions the team thought up of. For example the cloning tree, extremely complicated and almost unbelievable life-cycle, yet we know of parasites with almost as complex and convoluted lifecycles too for example the and zombie fungi, and the brain eye worms.
These sorts of complex species interactions are pretty rare in animation
sorry was sleepy so wrote the reply like a brainlet, here are the examples, Leucochloridium paradoxum, and Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, and these are only the mainstream sensationalized parasites, there's way more that are a lot more complicated than those.
Not that anon, but paradoxum is the worm that turns garden snails into funny-eyed zombies so that birds will eat them, and unilateralis is the fungus that turns ants into funny-headed zombies.
So as for some other parasite with a more complicated life cycle, you could look into either the barnacle that rewires crabs into funny-pussed zombies and can even turn male crabs into females to give them lady parts, or malaria (this one is kind of cheating but anything that has to migrate to different tissues within the same animal multiple times fits in my book).
theres toxoplasmosis, plasmodium (malaria), and lancet river fluke
These are just some, (theres hundereds more like these)
I'm not focused in parasites as much, and these lifecycles are just really messy.
But asides from just complicated lifecycles,
We can also look at stuff like the freshwater fish mimicing muscles, that get fish to bite, then instead get sprayed with larvae that latch on their gills and feed on them until they get old enough. Relatives or woodlice that in the ocean eat and replace fish tongues, and weird slimy crustaceans that latch onto crabs and basically do hormone replacement on males them to create egg pouches. Ocean parasites and insect parasites are absolutely crazy.
Its not just parasites, we have some palm trees that can slowly walk. Barnacles are basically tiny shrimp when they are larvae, then sessile clam like creatures in adulthood, similar to most corals, motile microbes, then become what most people think of as sea "plants"
Even sponges as larvae are motile, have rudimentary eyes and swim like tiny plankton, then change greatly.
Frog fish depending on where they're born have different shapes and colors that look just like surrounding coral and sponges.
Octopi and cuttlefish, shapeshift and color change, use tools, etc.
Bombardier beetles spray boiling hot chemicals on potential predators
Thats kind of why I like this show, its an exaggeration of the more complicated forms of life we see on earth.
although the frogs are too OP even from a natural selection POV.
>although the frogs are too OP even from a natural selection POV.
Yeah, I'm this
They really should have gotten a biologist on staff, the ecosystem is nonsensical and the writing is pretentious drivel with piss poor voice acting on top of that, only good thing about it is the background art since the character art is bland as frick. I gave it three episodes to impress me and had low expectations but it still disappointed.
autist and while we were watching the show I couldn't help but go on about how fricking broken TK/Mind Control would be, at that point you don't even need manipulators anymore.
> its an exaggeration of the more complicated forms of life we see on earth.
The main thing that annoyed me was the baby ayyy lmao in the wall of ?roots?, it just seems like complete nonsense style over substance and put me off an insane amount, especially the shitty drama the followed immediately after, at least she apologized for being a b***h but I was just done with the show at that point. Perhaps if it had any likable characters I could see myself continuing but it doesn't so I won't, waste of an interesting idea on a dull story/cast.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I unexpectedly laughed out loud when the doppelganger fungi life cycle was shown at the start of last episode. It creates so many silly implications that it surpassed the flower minifrog in unbelievability for me, because with the flower minifrog I could at least get that they were choosing to be poetic over making sense, but with the doppelganger thing I felt they really expected the viewer to take it dead serious.
Ever since the squid gas masks on ep 1 I never once watched this expecting serious, complex or well thoughtout biological/ecological concepts, but I can understand how the silliness of it all might be offputting if you already find the human characters and their arcs bland.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Ever since the squid gas masks on ep 1 I never once watched this expecting serious, complex or well thoughtout biological/ecological concepts
Stuff like this just undermines the risks of this situation they find themselves in, it almost seems like this is supposed to be an intelligently designed planet canonically, if it turns out it is crafted purposefully to interface with humans that could be interesting I guess.
>but I can understand how the silliness of it all might be offputting if you already find the human characters and their arcs bland.
Yep, you understand where I'm coming from very well, perhaps it would be worth it in the end, but I'm not willing to invest more time into something I see only going nowhere interesting. My money is on a pretentious ending that explains next to nothing but looks very pleasing visually.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it just seems like complete nonsense style over substance and put me off an insane amount
My take on it is that it make as much sense as human ritual, especially the burial part.
This organism require the birthing of a being intelligent enough to do the selection of orb demanded, and is probably intelligent enough to do so, from which would emerge a feeling of loss and a burial ritual to handle the grief, similar to what the humans have evolved to.
Isn't he being unbirthed? You know, "returned to the womb" and all that? He's in fetal position, the psychic frog hooked a feeding tube directly to his belly button, he isn't being crushed or melting or suffering any harm (so far)... I think the frog just made him her(?) baby, as dumb as that sounds.
I don't get how this makes sense for his character arc unless the resolution of it all is him bursting out of the frog's womb alien-style to kill it in order to save the other humans in a final showdown, or something like that.
What you said makes sense but I really hope he doesn't get better. I've been really enjoying everything about him and hypno-toad so far, and I think it would be awesome kept spiraling downward. He is easily one of the best parts of the show.
>and I think it would be awesome kept spiraling downward
Don't get me wrong I would love to have the whole thing getting more and more out of control just for the sake of it (I already think getting unbirthed by a psychic frog is the point of no return on any realistic scenario, you don't just get back from that), but narratively it makes no sense to me, it would mean that kamen's arc reached its logical conclusion on ep 6 out of 12 and everything you're gonna get from him after that will be snippets of his "matrix" visions getting more and more realistic.
Story-wise unless I'm being thrown for a big fricking loop, the frog has to be defeated and kamen has to either sacrifice himself to redeem himself, or reject the matrix and embrace reality (so not as much sacrificing himself but growing up). I would find it funny if he really was just gone to the point if the frog is killed he dies with it because he has become completely parasitic and there was never any meaning or life lesson, but I don't think these writers are THAT experimental.
>narratively it makes no sense
As much as I love the idea of kamen being unborn and then reborn as something even worse, like you said, as a character he wouldn't really have any new ground to tread. He would essentially being doing the same thing as he Is now but to a greater degree.
I do hope that he is at least physically morphed to some degree when he does exit hypno-toad though. I think it would be cool to visually see his changes reflected in his body either in contrast or similarity to the frog.
I'm liking this a lot so far, we'll see how it goes from here. Notice we didn't actually see a corpse just a body. The stranger might have some weird herbs to save our boy, or betray them both who knows
Frick I am busy watching Pluto. There is almost nothing but shit airing in Japan as well as the west for years and now they put all the good shit out at the same time. Didn't even watch Pantheon s2 yet because I didn't even know it dropped till now
Completely off-topic, but I've recently started working to improve my background drawing abilities (from being a total beginner), and then comes along this show with its awesome bg work. There's this one editing error in the second episode (picrel) that removes all the post-processing from the scene for like a frame or two, and it has actually helped me understand what makes a good background immensely.
Compare that pic to the normal scene, and you can see the differences. The blurring of the distant bg elements, the accompanying blue shift, and of course the darkening of the foreground all are used to take a background painting from pleasing to look at to part of an immersive experience. Super interesting, from my point of view.
Also interesting to note, the show (for whatever reason) has some post-processing noise filter applied to it. You can see it clearly on Levi in picrel, and how it's absent on the previous post's image, but the noise filter is applied to every scene in the show. I can't understand why.
Yeah unironically besides actually drawing yourself the thing that made me learn and improve the most is looking at great art or fanart. People that cannot appreciate other people's works will never improve because you learn the most from looking at things that aren't your own stuff. The shading is very important. I see a lot of artists drawing technically great motif and compositions but the shading is all over the place and dragging the rest down.
Pics that are usually considered beautiful are pics that lead the eye and are use colors, shading and pic composition in a way that makes it easy to recognize things. Something I sometimes do is zooming out of my pic far enough to make it as small as your thumbnails or smaller. The shapes you recognize there are the shapes people will spot during the first milliseconds or second of looking at a pic. And it always helps when there is something to see even if it's not the character yet or any details. E.g. in your second thumbnail you don't need to hover over the pic and enlarge it to see what the pic is emphasizing (the foreground with Azi).
Compare that pic to the normal scene, and you can see the differences. The blurring of the distant bg elements, the accompanying blue shift, and of course the darkening of the foreground all are used to take a background painting from pleasing to look at to part of an immersive experience. Super interesting, from my point of view.
Also interesting to note, the show (for whatever reason) has some post-processing noise filter applied to it. You can see it clearly on Levi in picrel, and how it's absent on the previous post's image, but the noise filter is applied to every scene in the show. I can't understand why.
>stranded on an alien planet >beaten >bitten >bloodsucked >poisoned >almost crushed >kidnapped >fricking cloned and buried alive
I care about sam and ursula's side of the story the absolute least by far, but I find it hilarious how the man can't catch a fricking break, almost to a cartoonish degree even compared to the others. And to top it all off his big lesson for the journey is just learning to trust ursula's instincts.
jolly good show
no rule 34 of it yet, despite its hige potential for fricked up sexual situations with aliens
i think the "weakness" the aylmao has is that it cant move shit it cant see and he cant move more than one thig at a time
I recall mind-controlled kamen killed the big one (offscreen but seemingly effortlessly) so I'm wondering if they can't defend against someone that's already being controlled by someone else from their own kind.
I indeed had the same thought. In fact, I'm often thinking about that fricked up planet and it's "unzipping" virus, especially in regards to where that book and later series go with the ideas of how possible coexistence can be between species with radically different biology and minds.
That's getting a bit off topic, but the way very different species on Vesta have strangely symbiotic relationships mirror that a lot. That said, it is quite distinct in practice. For anons who didn't read that book, the big reveal is what appears to be very distinct species on this planet are actually a single on that goes through drastic and sometimes violent metamorphoses. What appear to be the local sapient race doing strange and brutal ritualized murder rites are actually them entering another life stage where they grow into thinking trees that form a vast network that helps lead the race. Much tragedy happens when their human friends don't understand they're not really being asked to kill them, and thus refuse, and the local species not realizing they actually are killing their human friends and thus do so. I think the strange state of the local biosphere is explained more fully in later books, where they realize it's the result of a local debilitating to humans retrovirus that unwinds DNA, usually resulting in hideous problems for the humans. But on evolutionary scales, it ends up twining what were once independent local species together into a single species. Because the virus is alien to the planet itself, and, they eventually conclude, a kind of terraforming device by even weirder aliens whom they can never properly interact with because they keep sending instructions to make Ultra Cancer.
I doubt something like that is going on with Vesta, if anything is "going on" at all. It's easy to see it as constructed, but the exceedingly strange nature of it all may simply be a narrative tool to create a truly alien seeming ecosystem.
In 4 hours
So they're out? Neat.
I'm currently watching this. Just finished the second episode. So far I'm enjoying it a lot. I really do like the art and world that the show takes place in.
So it's the bearded guys fault that the space ship malfunctioned?
Why is he going around killing things for the ayy lmao monkey instead of gathering fruit?
Also that flower scene with the tiny alien was weird, are the plants sentient?
which bearded guy? there are two. but i get why you're trying to say. kamen is one interesting guy for sure
Damn this thread is dead af.
Cinemaphile likes loud and obnoxious media, which this show isn't
What's your point anon? Just means we're ahead of the curve on this
>So it's the bearded guys fault that the space ship malfunctioned?
that scene where he was saying he'd deal with an issue on the ship does suggest it was his fault, but I think it's a bit ambiguous.
I think it implies he blames himself for the malfunction (even if maybe it wasn't' caused by him) and the death of his gf. Personally I'm ready to believe the cause was something else due to how mysterious/magical/psychic some of the creatures are on the planet.
This show needs more attention. Also I want that red headed mans blood for his failure.
frfr ong no cap
Its a good show in that it is clean looking, but past its animation, its pretty weak... The setting, plot, characters, voice actors, and style are average if I'm being generous. I like it, but until the plot gets a bit further along, I doubt it will be talked about that much.
I'm actually excited
cartoon kino is so fricking rare
anyone know what time it comes out?
48 minutes from now
New episodes are out on Max
ready for cartoon nature channel
Lets hope there's a mega.
>Scavengers Reign S01E01-E06 1080p HMAX WEB-DL
https://mega.nz/folder/iAt22A6Y#Iq3AfZCz7bpaPO6puVx8Lg
WEEEEE!
thanks anon
Frick him and the horse he rode in on. Whatever bad that happens to him he deserves ten fold.
If you're ripping Max stuff, can you get the subbed/new dub of Frankelda up?
see
if you still want it, I'll share in that thread.
NTA but please do.
s1e6: ooh weak white men and e6 is toxic masculinity the tv show. Oh white man bad -- hiding his weakness (despite his compliments to his companion just last episode) -- "bottling it up" toxic, toxic masculainty le bad man
powerufl brown queens rule now chuds
they're just such original, good writers aren't theyll. The writing team is certainly not just repackaging the stuff they saw discussed by people on Twitter and Tumblr right? Chewed up and spat out vaguely remembered ideas mentioned in passing by a sociology professor in college.
good art bad writing.
Eh. It was very predictable given what happened in episode 3.
Pretty sure men wrote it.
1. I'm talking about what they wrote, not who wrote it.
2. Specifically, I'm talking about a modern, increasingly ubiquitous, increasingly cliche trope: "white man bad." I don't like that it has cropped up in my new favorite sci-fi fantasy cartoon. And I think it's not just in bad taste, but poorly done. Scavenger's Reign isn't an insightful exploration of toxic masculinity, instead the show does it where it didn't need to and it does it in a way that's been done to death in the last few years. It's derivative, boring, and lazy writing. It makes my eyes roll.
>incompetent, silly, overly-emotional white men (subverts the trope I'm familiar with from Boomer era media, where it's the woman that are overly-emotional and often incompetent.)
>White people are foil for... Extra smart, hyper-competent, self-aware and thoughtful POC.
There's more as well. And the larger reason I don't like this trope. The "reversal of roles" doesn't even work to eliminate the inequities in media-represention the artists/producers/writers are intending to address because by directly reversing the roles they enforce the original roles away with people who are familiar with them. Also, if media is representing White people like Black people used to be portrayed in a systematic way, then they're pushing precisely the racist, and gendered tropes they think they're rebelling against to the next generation, just with the skin colors and genders reversed.
i never recall ursula being hyper competent. i feel like she's very clumsy yet adventurous, while sam is the more wise and 'stay safe' one. then again i've only watched the first three episodes
>save husky white guy from the huge beetle, slaying it
>saves him from the bony birds which kidnapped him
>saves him from the womb-plant-clone
Meanwhile she chastises him for dealing with the Kamen situation back about Demeter incorrectly (even thought there was no evidence she witnessed it) and of course after the little alien at the wall (where she was able to intuit that the bird feather would open the wall -- while he did nothing) I do believe he had a little emotional meltdown. What does he do?
Of course I'm not opposed to a woman hero in a story. But this is part of a larger pattern which many have noticed. It's a subversion of the usual tropes. And not that those tropes don't need subverting sometimes -- ofc they do that's part of keeping things fresh... The problem is we have seen this feminist subversion once or twice before.
Crap. I meant to put the spoiler tags on that before I posted it!
Sorry about that. !!!Spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the first few episodes!!!
>saves him from the bony birds which kidnapped him
That doesn't even happen though. Sam already freed himself by the time Ursula gets up there.
Sam's not written to be a bumbling fool, or an egotistical jerk, or even hyper-emotional. He's the one that's focus on the mission, getting back to the Demeter. And if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, getting yourself separated because of a strange flower would be seen by most to be foolish, so he's not wrong to be peeved.
Sam isn't playing the 'white man bad' cliche, he's playing the 'old mentor" cliche if anything.
This. We're also only 6 eps in but I'm still sticking to the shroom clone theory
Yeah, that scene in Ep.1 was cut really weirdly, if they didn't want you to think that Ursula died in the Tetsuo mushroom hole then they weren't trying very hard.
theres hints of this but i'd also say its more of a young and open / old and stubborn situation. two opposites working together. he rightfully berates her for stopping and witnessing some plant miracle, which couldve easily been some form of trap, but thats also playing into the youthfullness and curiosity theme.
Look. In the end, when the political pendulum swings back once more as it has in the past, and more media is produced where this isn't the case, you will be able to look back and enjoy the story for what it is, without the political brainrot infecting your mind and appreciation of what could be the new era of adult animation
I hope corporate tax write-offs prevent me of that.
You are shizo, Sam is a main character too and he is a good guy. You are like tumblr just in reverse, you both can't do shit without interpreting every fricking thing as toxic masculinity.
There are certainly a lot of cartoons that deserve hate for this but I am not seeing that for SR, you should shit on amphibia, owls house, adventure time, bojack and others instead because they are actually obvious with it. Kamen is just a crazy fricker, it would be dumb if every villain had to be black from now on and female villains are always fricking shit.
>subjugate the entire world through genocide and colonization for a thousand years
>surprised when people write stories about how this was wrong
Get your meds, schizo.
>s1e6: ooh weak white men and e6 is toxic masculinity the tv show. Oh white man bad -- hiding his weakness (despite his compliments to his companion just last episode) -- "bottling it up" toxic, toxic masculainty le bad man
>powerufl brown queens rule now chuds
Nothing in how white beard is writen is reflective of any of that. You are mentally hill, please consult someone.
I just found the original adult swim short
Interesting to see how many of the ideas are reused in the series.
http://vimeo.com/179779722
The short is more or less a zelda trade quest, I'm kind of surprised they managed to make a slower paced but equally fascinating series out of this.
The lil running homie from this short appeared in the latest episodes.
Well frick. I don't want to wait another week.
>bare breasts in Episode 5
Ok that caught me off guard.
Pretty good batch, especially Episode 6.
thanks for the heads up. was about to watch it in the living room
Barely noticed.
Bare? Where?
Small detail: I wonder why opening shows 3 capsules (1 of them explodes/burns in the atmosphere) when in the show there are at least 4 of them
How many episodes are in this season?
3 episode batch release seems like it's burning through material pretty fast for something not on single release.
12
It seems like we might see kamen getting a redemption arc, first we see Ursula telling Sam that the crash wasn't solely him, and to give some sympathy to him.
Then we get to see that he isn't totally selfish and remorseless, again painting him as somewhat sympathetic, he'll probably die by the end of it, but not too bad.
Also who else thinks the old woman that ursula saw was the same woman as from the original AS short?
F
Robots never die
Goodnight sweet prince, or princess since it technically has Fiona's voice
We didn't really get enough time with the robot. I was a bit surprised but I didn't feel anything.
I'm disappointed, expected at least one slime bot 'sex' scene or maybe some heavy petting with cuddling and oiling.
I did.
I actually thought that Levi's voice would result in making Kamen fight the panda-frog from the inside.
Kamen is too much of a pussy to ever turn against the panda frog at this point
Just finished ep 5. Are Azi and Levi going to hook up? I hope not; Levi is too good for her.
Quite a lot of things will need hooking up there.
Kek
>Also who else thinks the old woman that ursula saw was the same woman as from the original AS short?
That would actually be a really cool idea.
Imagine. No seriously imagine it and reply to me with some fic tier shit if you're up for it
>mfw mom burns the tendies
Damn these new episodes are really picking up the pace. Can't wait for the next batch. Also, levixazi anyone?
What's up with these flowers?
they bloom on dead things
Spirit flowers. They host the souls of the deceased and release them as pure energy
Might be it, but there's a dead person inside one of the cryopods and no flower to be seen.
I'm having mixed feelings about this show.
On the one hand I really enjoy the theme of survivalist trying to find use out of the nature around them.
On the other it all ends up feeling a bit too convenient
I think a bigger cast with the occasional death from unknown interactions would do a lot to sell the idea that this is a dangerous place. Right now, things that look dangerous or even fatal are kinda brushed off by lucky breaks or plain cartoon logic (sam losing liters of blood from a mosquito the size of a car but only coming out a little tired is a good example).
Starting to think maybe that's the point and the nature in that place just changes based on people's expectations of it, but probably not.
>On the other it all ends up feeling a bit too convenient
Yep, they've got far too much knowledge of how things work with only a couple of months worth of time spent on this planet. If they had a PAI that could scan things and give them ideas I might be able to see it, but just picking up random critters and putting them on your face to work as gas mask on a completely alien planet is laughable.
I feel like the three episodes that just premiered had a whole lot of nothing going on in them. I guess that's to be expected from a show with a premise of 'we're at point A and we need to get to point B, which is only a couple days' hike from here'. It's not a big deal, but it does feel distracting.
Why was there so much time spent on Azi and those paralyzing floating mushrooms? It felt unnecessary having to see how the fish could eat the infectious material, since we've seen time and time again that the planet is home to a vast and interconnected ecosystem. It's purely retreading past territory, and I feel like drawn-out scenes like that are meant only to draw out the run time.
Now that our protags are within spitting distance of the Demeter with an entire half of the show left, I worry that the pacing may get worse. I'm specifically worried about them dragging Azi's plotline out, now that Levi got the swim in the river it wanted .
Hopefully the show will begin to gather all our mains soon enough. The slow pacing feels at odds with how more and more people in the cryo chambers seem to be dead with every passing episode.
The point of Azi’s plot with the fuzzy bug was for her to bond with Levi and accept them as a person with agency. That’s very important for when Levi gets FROGGED I feel like the plot is actually moving very quickly, I’m not sure how they can fill 6 more episodes.
it really creative. the medfish eating the residue reminded men of the similar ones in Toriko. here its done a little less silly though
This thread is dead. I guess Cinemaphile isn't feeling these last couple episodes?
no one watches quality content. i'm still happy new content can make me feel something other than hate or disgust
Cus they were boring. Show is a one trick pony sadly.
Explain? Last thread had 200+ replies
For I simply forgot it was thursday and now it's too late to watch it. For others it might be
, I might be wrong but I wouldn't wonder if there was some overlap between fans of SR and fans of Pluto that was dropped today.
Most anons didn't even know when the next episodes are released, since it usually takes more than a week for streaming services to upload the next batch and some told me that HBO+ algorithms were kind of burring the series.
I'm a good old fashioned pirate myself so I do my own share of hunting and scavenging
i really like this show but everyone i recommendet it to either doesnt like it or doesnt even want to watch
Recommend it to me, anon. I'll like it and will even watch it, but in return, you have to give me the original version without the shitting toothpaste.
honestly I really like the show's primal-esque fashion, of with each new biome, we get a new "mini-boss" creature that is totally unique, challenging and how the character deals with them. I don't get why people are so upset, its simple, yet stimulating.
everytime something good comes around it a lot of people expect the world of it and then in turn get dissapointed.
>great visuals
>creative flora & fauna
>show dont tell philosophy
the plot is simple, the main characters aren´t memorable and the rules of the world are basically "lol weirdo magic" but its a really nice show. gives me the feels while watching it like nothing else (in terms of shows) has.
They really should have gotten a biologist on staff, the ecosystem is nonsensical and the writing is pretentious drivel with piss poor voice acting on top of that, only good thing about it is the background art since the character art is bland as frick. I gave it three episodes to impress me and had low expectations but it still disappointed.
It's cool. Show just wasn't for you, I guess. Glad you at least gave it a wat
when you think of the whole biosphere as a caricature of a real ecosystem, it makes more sense I think, and arguably better than the ecosystems of primal and other shows like it, where the focus is only predator/prey, and a very base-level look into disease and parasitism.
This show gives you much more "complex" representations, and are definitely exaggerated, but I love seeing the complex mutualistic parasitic and interspecies competitive interactions the team thought up of. For example the cloning tree, extremely complicated and almost unbelievable life-cycle, yet we know of parasites with almost as complex and convoluted lifecycles too for example the and zombie fungi, and the brain eye worms.
These sorts of complex species interactions are pretty rare in animation
sorry was sleepy so wrote the reply like a brainlet, here are the examples, Leucochloridium paradoxum, and Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, and these are only the mainstream sensationalized parasites, there's way more that are a lot more complicated than those.
What are examples of more complicated parasitic cycles biology-anon?
Not that anon, but paradoxum is the worm that turns garden snails into funny-eyed zombies so that birds will eat them, and unilateralis is the fungus that turns ants into funny-headed zombies.
So as for some other parasite with a more complicated life cycle, you could look into either the barnacle that rewires crabs into funny-pussed zombies and can even turn male crabs into females to give them lady parts, or malaria (this one is kind of cheating but anything that has to migrate to different tissues within the same animal multiple times fits in my book).
theres toxoplasmosis, plasmodium (malaria), and lancet river fluke
These are just some, (theres hundereds more like these)
I'm not focused in parasites as much, and these lifecycles are just really messy.
But asides from just complicated lifecycles,
We can also look at stuff like the freshwater fish mimicing muscles, that get fish to bite, then instead get sprayed with larvae that latch on their gills and feed on them until they get old enough. Relatives or woodlice that in the ocean eat and replace fish tongues, and weird slimy crustaceans that latch onto crabs and basically do hormone replacement on males them to create egg pouches. Ocean parasites and insect parasites are absolutely crazy.
Its not just parasites, we have some palm trees that can slowly walk. Barnacles are basically tiny shrimp when they are larvae, then sessile clam like creatures in adulthood, similar to most corals, motile microbes, then become what most people think of as sea "plants"
Even sponges as larvae are motile, have rudimentary eyes and swim like tiny plankton, then change greatly.
Frog fish depending on where they're born have different shapes and colors that look just like surrounding coral and sponges.
Octopi and cuttlefish, shapeshift and color change, use tools, etc.
Bombardier beetles spray boiling hot chemicals on potential predators
Thats kind of why I like this show, its an exaggeration of the more complicated forms of life we see on earth.
although the frogs are too OP even from a natural selection POV.
>although the frogs are too OP even from a natural selection POV.
Yeah, I'm this
autist and while we were watching the show I couldn't help but go on about how fricking broken TK/Mind Control would be, at that point you don't even need manipulators anymore.
> its an exaggeration of the more complicated forms of life we see on earth.
The main thing that annoyed me was the baby ayyy lmao in the wall of ?roots?, it just seems like complete nonsense style over substance and put me off an insane amount, especially the shitty drama the followed immediately after, at least she apologized for being a b***h but I was just done with the show at that point. Perhaps if it had any likable characters I could see myself continuing but it doesn't so I won't, waste of an interesting idea on a dull story/cast.
I unexpectedly laughed out loud when the doppelganger fungi life cycle was shown at the start of last episode. It creates so many silly implications that it surpassed the flower minifrog in unbelievability for me, because with the flower minifrog I could at least get that they were choosing to be poetic over making sense, but with the doppelganger thing I felt they really expected the viewer to take it dead serious.
Ever since the squid gas masks on ep 1 I never once watched this expecting serious, complex or well thoughtout biological/ecological concepts, but I can understand how the silliness of it all might be offputting if you already find the human characters and their arcs bland.
>Ever since the squid gas masks on ep 1 I never once watched this expecting serious, complex or well thoughtout biological/ecological concepts
Stuff like this just undermines the risks of this situation they find themselves in, it almost seems like this is supposed to be an intelligently designed planet canonically, if it turns out it is crafted purposefully to interface with humans that could be interesting I guess.
>but I can understand how the silliness of it all might be offputting if you already find the human characters and their arcs bland.
Yep, you understand where I'm coming from very well, perhaps it would be worth it in the end, but I'm not willing to invest more time into something I see only going nowhere interesting. My money is on a pretentious ending that explains next to nothing but looks very pleasing visually.
>it just seems like complete nonsense style over substance and put me off an insane amount
My take on it is that it make as much sense as human ritual, especially the burial part.
This organism require the birthing of a being intelligent enough to do the selection of orb demanded, and is probably intelligent enough to do so, from which would emerge a feeling of loss and a burial ritual to handle the grief, similar to what the humans have evolved to.
I liked the new episodes but I didn't understamd if Kamen is being digested or not.
He's no Kamen Rider, I'll tell you that much.
True, he gets more shit done than Kamen Rider
Shut up Ouja
I'm pretty sure the frog is keeping Kamen on life support. It's oddly sweet.
Isn't he being unbirthed? You know, "returned to the womb" and all that? He's in fetal position, the psychic frog hooked a feeding tube directly to his belly button, he isn't being crushed or melting or suffering any harm (so far)... I think the frog just made him her(?) baby, as dumb as that sounds.
I don't get how this makes sense for his character arc unless the resolution of it all is him bursting out of the frog's womb alien-style to kill it in order to save the other humans in a final showdown, or something like that.
>Kamen has been acting like an entitled man-baby the entire show so far
>Becomes a literal man-baby
Genius.
What you said makes sense but I really hope he doesn't get better. I've been really enjoying everything about him and hypno-toad so far, and I think it would be awesome kept spiraling downward. He is easily one of the best parts of the show.
>and I think it would be awesome kept spiraling downward
Don't get me wrong I would love to have the whole thing getting more and more out of control just for the sake of it (I already think getting unbirthed by a psychic frog is the point of no return on any realistic scenario, you don't just get back from that), but narratively it makes no sense to me, it would mean that kamen's arc reached its logical conclusion on ep 6 out of 12 and everything you're gonna get from him after that will be snippets of his "matrix" visions getting more and more realistic.
Story-wise unless I'm being thrown for a big fricking loop, the frog has to be defeated and kamen has to either sacrifice himself to redeem himself, or reject the matrix and embrace reality (so not as much sacrificing himself but growing up). I would find it funny if he really was just gone to the point if the frog is killed he dies with it because he has become completely parasitic and there was never any meaning or life lesson, but I don't think these writers are THAT experimental.
>narratively it makes no sense
As much as I love the idea of kamen being unborn and then reborn as something even worse, like you said, as a character he wouldn't really have any new ground to tread. He would essentially being doing the same thing as he Is now but to a greater degree.
I do hope that he is at least physically morphed to some degree when he does exit hypno-toad though. I think it would be cool to visually see his changes reflected in his body either in contrast or similarity to the frog.
I'm liking this a lot so far, we'll see how it goes from here. Notice we didn't actually see a corpse just a body. The stranger might have some weird herbs to save our boy, or betray them both who knows
Sam was still breathing at the end there, he may be fricked up but I think he'll make it.
Frick I am busy watching Pluto. There is almost nothing but shit airing in Japan as well as the west for years and now they put all the good shit out at the same time. Didn't even watch Pantheon s2 yet because I didn't even know it dropped till now
Completely off-topic, but I've recently started working to improve my background drawing abilities (from being a total beginner), and then comes along this show with its awesome bg work. There's this one editing error in the second episode (picrel) that removes all the post-processing from the scene for like a frame or two, and it has actually helped me understand what makes a good background immensely.
Compare that pic to the normal scene, and you can see the differences. The blurring of the distant bg elements, the accompanying blue shift, and of course the darkening of the foreground all are used to take a background painting from pleasing to look at to part of an immersive experience. Super interesting, from my point of view.
Also interesting to note, the show (for whatever reason) has some post-processing noise filter applied to it. You can see it clearly on Levi in picrel, and how it's absent on the previous post's image, but the noise filter is applied to every scene in the show. I can't understand why.
Yeah unironically besides actually drawing yourself the thing that made me learn and improve the most is looking at great art or fanart. People that cannot appreciate other people's works will never improve because you learn the most from looking at things that aren't your own stuff. The shading is very important. I see a lot of artists drawing technically great motif and compositions but the shading is all over the place and dragging the rest down.
Pics that are usually considered beautiful are pics that lead the eye and are use colors, shading and pic composition in a way that makes it easy to recognize things. Something I sometimes do is zooming out of my pic far enough to make it as small as your thumbnails or smaller. The shapes you recognize there are the shapes people will spot during the first milliseconds or second of looking at a pic. And it always helps when there is something to see even if it's not the character yet or any details. E.g. in your second thumbnail you don't need to hover over the pic and enlarge it to see what the pic is emphasizing (the foreground with Azi).
Let the show inspire you
Is it worth to get the streaming service for this? What's it on anyway?
if they keep up the current release schedule all 12 eps will be out in 2 weeks, on Max.
I'll give it a look then. Anything else good on Max?
Fired on Mars. Its another animated sci fi
>stranded on an alien planet
>beaten
>bitten
>bloodsucked
>poisoned
>almost crushed
>kidnapped
>fricking cloned and buried alive
I care about sam and ursula's side of the story the absolute least by far, but I find it hilarious how the man can't catch a fricking break, almost to a cartoonish degree even compared to the others. And to top it all off his big lesson for the journey is just learning to trust ursula's instincts.
jolly good show
no rule 34 of it yet, despite its hige potential for fricked up sexual situations with aliens
i think the "weakness" the aylmao has is that it cant move shit it cant see and he cant move more than one thig at a time
I recall mind-controlled kamen killed the big one (offscreen but seemingly effortlessly) so I'm wondering if they can't defend against someone that's already being controlled by someone else from their own kind.
>rule 34
The characters look awful, don't expect too much porn
you want the skibidi toilet clown extravaganza for that shit
On the contrary, I fully expect a dominatrix Ursula and Fiona ready to punish a handcuffed Sam
Has anybody read Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card? It features a certain multi-stage life cycle that this reminded me of.
I indeed had the same thought. In fact, I'm often thinking about that fricked up planet and it's "unzipping" virus, especially in regards to where that book and later series go with the ideas of how possible coexistence can be between species with radically different biology and minds.
That's getting a bit off topic, but the way very different species on Vesta have strangely symbiotic relationships mirror that a lot. That said, it is quite distinct in practice. For anons who didn't read that book, the big reveal is what appears to be very distinct species on this planet are actually a single on that goes through drastic and sometimes violent metamorphoses. What appear to be the local sapient race doing strange and brutal ritualized murder rites are actually them entering another life stage where they grow into thinking trees that form a vast network that helps lead the race. Much tragedy happens when their human friends don't understand they're not really being asked to kill them, and thus refuse, and the local species not realizing they actually are killing their human friends and thus do so. I think the strange state of the local biosphere is explained more fully in later books, where they realize it's the result of a local debilitating to humans retrovirus that unwinds DNA, usually resulting in hideous problems for the humans. But on evolutionary scales, it ends up twining what were once independent local species together into a single species. Because the virus is alien to the planet itself, and, they eventually conclude, a kind of terraforming device by even weirder aliens whom they can never properly interact with because they keep sending instructions to make Ultra Cancer.
I doubt something like that is going on with Vesta, if anything is "going on" at all. It's easy to see it as constructed, but the exceedingly strange nature of it all may simply be a narrative tool to create a truly alien seeming ecosystem.
oh hey
Cinemaphile really only cares about cartoons marketed towards elementary and high school kids huh and mid webtoons/comics
yup. Cinemaphile is by far the shittest board, despite /bant/ existing
Watched first 3 episodes last night. This shit is phenomenally good.
John was one fat frick.
im just enjoying the ride, not looking for hard science
was levi technically a cyborg
Levi was a fun guy
Levi is a israeli KWEEN and if you can't see it that's on you.
Huh. A reverse Cyborg?
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maniacs
>let's talk about spoilers yeahhh!
Alright I'm leaving then. Goodbye lads.
Come back, it's okay. I swear everyone will remain coy about it.
I want that fat frick alien to die so bad for real
I was super annoyed when the black kween started trying to pry the ginger out instead of finishing it while she had the chance.