Neat stop-motion styled (it's Blender) Scooby-Doo x FNAF short. There are industry professionals, including Grey DeLisle trying to get the guy behind it blacklisted for his use of AI voices
Scooby-Doo, Where Are You in... SPRINGTARPPED
Neat stop-motion styled (it's Blender) Scooby-Doo x FNAF short. There are industry professionals, including Grey DeLisle trying to get the guy behind it blacklisted for his use of AI voices
>another thread about this short
I liked it, but what's the point of posting it again?
>but what's the point of posting it again?
Because it got replies the last time.
All Cinemaphile is these days is repeated content that gets replies—until it doesn't.
And then you just toss shit at the board until (You) get something that gets a lotta replies. Then the vicious cycle repeats itself.
You know they're only saying this to save face, right? If they supported this, then the studios could effectively blacklist them from VA work, just because they can.
>You know they're only saying this to save face, right? If they supported this, then the studios could effectively blacklist them from VA work, just because they can.
Nobody made Grey say anything, moron.
>Nobody made Grey say anything, moron.
And? People are known to jump the gun, and she did just that.
There's an entire writers strike going on and she's just trying to steer clear of it, even though all she needed to do was say nothing.
Sounds like a cult. Maybe they should try abolishing it instead of keeping a corrupt power structure in place.
Link to other thread, please.
why are all these actors in hollywood crying about AI stealing their jobs??
JUST LEARN TO CODE gayGETS AHAHAHA
When is that ugly hag going to retire. b***h should be thanking god that AI tech exists since she sounds like a old woman now and AI is the only hope she has of doing any of her old voices right.
Wouldn’t that encourage him and others to use AI if every VA blacklists him?
Of course, so VAs have even more material to brand him as a sinner.
It's internet slacktivism, the purpose is not to achieve meaningful change but to act in ways that would get your skull caved in IRL.
Why are voice actors so petty and quick to anger over the smallest things?
Because they are attention prostitutes with huge egos.
It has to be social media doing this because Frank Welker and, I hope to god, Matthew Lillard haven’t said anything about it yet
Spend some time outside instead of making pointless twitter drama your entire world
homie, their voice is their selling point, I'd be pissed too.
Sure, but when you try to get back at someone for using AI voices by telling other VAs not to work with them, you're kind of giving AI users more of an incentive to keep being AI users.
Why are voice actors so far up their ass.
Why would anyone Want to be part of the industry in this day and age? Backstabbing libshit c**ts and pedophile predator producers, union rules so complicated you can’t move a fricking cable without the right job description, and a disconnect with modern affairs so profound you’d think they’re playing lyres.
Frick Grey Diselse and no I’m not going to look up how to actually spell the c**t’s name, AI is a tool these greedy stooges are luddite-ing against to distract from how garbage they are. Copyright dies in my lifetime and I will use the tools of the modern age to burn its irrelevance as hot as she’s seething.
>Get blacklisted for using AI
>With no other choice they only use AI
>using your established audience to attack some independent animator because he's using tools you don't like
And people wonder why they don't want to work with them anymore.
>work for multiple months on a little project
>gets recognized and starts to pick up attention
>everyone is just b***hing about you using ai voices
Its genuinely impressive how insufferable twitter users are
If he instead looked though the hour and hours of Scooby Doo recordings and edit together a script YoutubePoop style do you think people would be as assblasted?
That would’ve taken actual effort so no, people would’ve praised him for the splicing effort.
This entire thread is just morons seething at the VA industry and dipshits trying to bait with AI talking points, with an incredibly low percentage of people that actually care.
>"That would take effort"
I don't get this argument, voice splicing would still lead to a VA not getting a gig and would still be reusing pre-exisiting audio without the consent of the original VAs, the alleged reasons why everyone is sperging out would still be present, yet for some reason now they won't have an issue?
The kid is inexperienced and didn't realize how much drama something as simple as using AI voices would cause. That does not make him a bad persona and it does not invalidate his art, but unfortunately we live in the age of nu-extremism where any nail that sticks out even a little has to be hammered down by a bunch of self-righteous haters.
>That would’ve taken actual effort so no, people would’ve praised him for the splicing effort.
No they wouldn’t. The entire argument is that he didn’t hire voice actors and used voices without their consent which still would be true with voice slicing. It’s almost like you gays don’t have an argument and are just angry about AI.
I'm losing my mind over this. They're freaking out over a parody of the series that reused the same animation and the same laugh tracks and the same MUSIC (which was written specifically for the first episode Seriously go back and watch. Did you ever wonder why there's like 2 bars of the Air Force theme in every episode? In the pilot, they fly in a biplane during the scene the motif is used.).
He could've just hired amateur voice actors?
Did you just assume he has financial privilege? What a bigot.
Its amazing they can type this shit and not realize they look fricking deranged.
They aren't even anonymous like on Cinemaphile, they're just ass out full moronic and proud.
>I kid but I hope you see the point
Definitely kidding. Not at all mad and wanting to punch randos who have the audacity to politely disagree with him.
Wow, Lender's a c**t.
He's a 23 year old who's experimenting with tech, and probably does not pay any attention to cancel culture because he's young, full of optimism, and actually has good things in his life to pay attention to instead of extremists on the internet. That's the real reason they are trying to punish him and why they won't let him just say "sorry, I won't use AI next time."
He didn't use the AI voices from a place of malice. He was impressed with the results he could get from it, and was probably thinking "this is great, I can have decent sounding voices without having to spend a huge chunk of my budget on additional voice actors." That's the mindset I would have had when I was young and my sense of adventure hadn't been squashed by people like Grey Delisle yet.
he's shitting where he's eating it
You're the same idiot that posted this
aren't you?
He could have gotten amateurs off the internet for a fiver or asked for volunteers
I'm convinced the AI push is by autists who can't deal with other humans who won't do the thing exactly like they think they imagine
this but unironically
>t. autist who chats with chatbots
Dawg, creatives wanting the autistically do what they can without other people's involvement is how the greatest art in history gets made.
If you can't VA better than AI, get another job.
Unironically the greatest art in history gets made because somebody wants, is getting, or used to be getting laid
If you think you're making the Mona Lisa from scraping together pieces of 100 other people's Mona Lisa then I hope you enjoy the onions fella
>know ai is polarizing in art circles
>uses it anyway
Probably the same trannies who can understand a 40yo and a 50yo getting married at their current age.
If you want to go against AI, this isnt the battle you want to fight. All those shitting on the AI voices are enraged without knowing why, just that they were told by their favorite twitter gay that they should be.
why should anyone like ai though?
Because it might hurt sjws
yeah but liking ai means you have to side with street shitters
But hating AI means siding with commies
what do you mean, commies love ai since it democratizes art
"AI is a capitalist invention that enables greedy corporate owners to cut their workforces so we must stop it from existing" is a pretty socialist take to me.
"ai makes it so you don't have to work at all!"
yeah lazy liberal bs
I'd support AI just to make gays like you angry
I just think it's neat.
I've used AI to improve my art style. My actual art doesn't have a single pixel of AI generated images in it, but there have been many times where a sketch of mine wasn't working out, and when I ran it through the AI with prompts based on the artists whose work I'm inspired by, it shows me how I can fix it, or maybe shows some different options for the pose or the anatomy that I haven't considered. I can make like 20 different versions to reference when I'm drawing, and unlike directly referencing another artist's work it doesn't end up looking like a swipe.
I've been seeing that more often lately. Stuff like what you described and using AI art to get an idea for posing. It would honestly be a shame if this tech got restricted wholesale when, even in small doses, it has been helping people with their art.
I mean, that’s just one step removed from just using references and the actual art to analyze what you like instead of a hodgepodge the robot decided would be their output. This feels like when people treat ChatGPT as their new search engine and not scrutinize that the output might not be as useful as just going straight to the source.
>just that they were told by their favorite twitter gay that they should be.
Or they came to the conclusion themsleves because they have common sense. Boogeymen aren't the reason people disagree with you.
They're scared because its a baseline test. They want to ban AI everywhere, but here comes a small poor struggling artist with lots of talent, using AI as a tool to enhance his art, a non-profit portfolio pieces, without compromising putting in time and effort to his craft. And general audience are amazed and enjoying his work. You couldn't design a more sympathetic or justified pro-AI example if you wanted.
This is freaking anti-AI zealots out because they're unambiguously the bad guys that are punching down on a small artist, but they can't stop harassing and threatening illegal shit against him because if THIS case is acceptable then WHAT ELSE is acceptable?
We're seeing the implosion of a worldview in real time.
I just think its funny how radical leftists and greedy ass libertarians are joining together to hate AI for the same reason worded differently
What a fricking c**t.
>I'm going to fight for my rights by fricking up a young creator with no budget 🙂
Yeah frick VAs
>guy uses AI voices
>voice actors say they won't work for him thus meaning he will just continue to use AI voices
A victory I guess?
Grey Delisle being based as usual
The coomer b***h isn’t going to frick you bro, Kitty Katswell will always be a shit character
>The ai b***h isn’t going to frick you bro,
fixed.
Imagine being this desperate for something to coom to.
That's all by design to set a blanket context over people that use AI voices for any reason whatsoever. Remember that arts and humanities types have been using social media as advertisement platforms for about a decade now, so they have a lot of sway over dialogue on those sites. Drinking deeply from academic arts and Hollywood mentalities makes you a paranoid egomaniac, so they equate a kid's passion project to a Weinstein tier corporate executive. Keep in mind, a lot of students that go through the art school machine are fed the notion that they're supposed to do the "creating" for people, so it infuriates them to no end when they see someone that didn't go through the hoops and sucking up they did to accomplish a given thing.
You should reconcile with your father
As much as I don’t think any worker should put through harsh (or “harsh”) working conditions, this makes it hard for me to feel for the shit writers and uppity voice actors and their strike. I will usually support the side of workers, but these people huff their own farts.
I bet if she could sign off royalties for AI voices and law gets passed for that, then the majority of these lazy fricks with no passion would sign off in a heartbeat.
>So you want me to voice act your fan project, that will be $500,000 plus tip! Also I won't voice act scene 12, Chud!
he could have made the decision to find voice actors who sounded like "his version"
>Neat stop-motion styled (it's Blender) Scooby-Doo x FNAF short.
Based
>including Grey DeLisle trying to get the guy behind it blacklisted for his use of AI voices
>https://twitter.com/GreyDeLisle/status/1690489090389532672
LMFAO seething
Future is Ai
What a c**t
>you MUST pay the actors SAG rates if you’re an independent creator
And this is why indie animation is the future. Solo artists making kino for us.
Frick AI slop
As opposed to man-made slop beyond one’s imagination, am I right?
Slop is slop, just because one is fan made doesn't make it any less worthy of being tossed into the trash.
I’ll always take non-profit fan kino over your “handcrafted” garbage, Mindy.
>non-profit
>thinking this won't be a portfolio add on to land the animator some shitty job in the industry to make money
Dumb ass homie
Portfolio piece does not make you a profit. Landing a job because of non-paid work you did for fun is not making a profit OFF of the work specifically. You still have to do work for the new job you got hired for to actually make money. You may as well say no fanart should be allowed in portfolios.
You can say 'frick off' to two things at the same time! Sometimes even three things
This is the most bigoted opinion to have. It's basically racism. As in if anyone made a shit cartoon all human creators are dogshit. That's what this is like.
But it's more stupid because AI isn't a being with rights and is suppose to be a tool but these homosexuals give it more precedence than any human other than the common consumer.
you do know ai also negatively effects good things you like too?
Not intrinsically.
actually it does
>ai is bad
<why
>is just bad
Another amazing argument by anti-AI people, folks.
ai uses data from good artists without permission
good artist says they don't want that happening
they still do it anyways
that's why its bad you get that sir?
This is using samples from a stuck-up b***h VA so I don't see what the problem is here.
>street shitter doesn't understand the concept or having principles
While it is kind of assholish, is there anything wrong with using the voice. Did he even train the ai or was the AI trained by someone else. Then is the trainer who fed the ai data at fault? There are cases for the protection of copyrighted materials. I think the best case is using the likeness argument.
>While it is kind of assholish, is there anything wrong with using the voice
well its someone he will be working with indirectly
when its people you will be working with you probably frick with them, especially if they have seniority
Every fricking artist on planet earth uses other people's work as a basis to create thier own work. It's called the concept of inspiration. AI simply digitizes it.
ai doesn't get to have the same rights as people idiot
AI tools are just photoshop. The people using those tools have the rights.
>i don't understand how photoshop works
No, you don't know how analogies work.
neither do you
Although technically speaking Photoshop has had "AI" for ages, not even the modern content aware fill, just lots of tools/algorithms that in the past would be called AI but are not anymore because they're mundane and demystified.
>ai uses data from good artists without permission
Similar to the music samples frequently used by artists like Hideki Naganuma?
>ai uses data from good artists without permission
Because permission is not legally or ethically required.
>good artist says they don't want that happening
So?
>they still do it anyways
Good. Frick entitled c**ts who want to expand copyright law to referencing other works.
How? Allowing more independent artists to create larger scale productions without relying on capital?
good artists don't want their data being used
This argument is ethically, morally and practically identical to an artist saying you cannot create fan work based on thier IP because they said so.
Its a moronic excercise in futility and anyone who advocates for it is ironically anti art. You should be ashamed.
yeah, i don't see why it's wrong to use ai for fan projects when the idea of fan creation itself at its very definition infringes IP
>t. moron who can't tell the difference between these two videos
The difference is obvious, the problem is that using AI for the voice actors kinda fricks over voice actors.
Back in the day they'd use impersonators, or maybe even sentence mixing.
And how is some kid supposed to afford that?
Talent or learn how to impersonate.
That used to be hella fun to do with friends, now the world is controlled by shitskin pajeets ruining human lives.
Actors are pretty desperate. You can go on Twitter and find pretty decent talent willing to work for like $20.
I mean, apparently he did use an actual VA for Shaggy, everyone else was AI because he couldn't afford it.
>couldn't afford it
There's hundreds of good voice actors out there that would've done the voices for this short for a reasonable rate. There's no excuse.
>But it won't sound exactly the same!
Neither are the voices he actually did himself.
this. it would've taken him 5 seconds to tweet: "Casting call! Looking for VAs for this cool Scooby Doo blender animation i'm currently working on (unpaid)"
And people would participate in it?
Foh free?
Get real, anon. Not even this board would pitch in to help.
This is why we'd never get our own Cinemaphile the Musical.
Black person, you can find quality (non-Indian) actors on Fiverr who'll work for half a sandwich.
maybe he went through fiverr and only found ai bots
Great, I'll tell Warner Bros, Disney and Universal about this right now!
We can end the strikes and all AI, the problem is solved, just get indians from fiver to voice everything, problem solved.
>reading comprehension
lmayo
Do you also have a problem with him mimicking stop-motion animation in Blender instead of doing it by hand or hiring specialists to do it, like they did back in the day?
People have been making TF2 videos using spliced in voice lines from the games for a decade and then moved on to AI generated lines with no rebuttal because people who watched those videos are able to understand the difference between some dude making shit on his computer and fricking Disney.
Why the frick are people so against the little guy using AI for his profit-free project all of a sudden? They aren't the ones keeping Tom Kenny employed.
Its crazy how a small amount of time changes general discourse towards something. Dude used AI for these voices and got massively praised. A year or so later, someone else does the same thing and now it's controversial despite both being quality products with effort put into them.
okay that's pretty cute
i really enjoyed it
too bad about the ai stuff tho, this is a scary future we live in
You feel for union propaganda. You so realize that WGA literally wants more diversity to be part of the contact?
what does that have to do with anything i said
i don't even know wga is
i really hate it when people like you drop acronyms like we're all just supposed to know
Writer's Guild of America. Gay ass union that goes on strike at the worst possible times, part of the reason televsion went to absolute shit after 2008.
The WGA: World Canadian Bureau.
(This came out during the last writer's strike.)
>worker rights are bad now
good goy!
The big hollywood unions aren't pro-worker. They're a guild built to prevent workers from making money acting, writing or making music.
Literally designed like a crocked lottery system so only a tiny tiny percentage ever make money (almost all nepo-babies), but those that do make a LOT of money.
Point me to where it says that
why does springtrap give a shit about a non-child?
where's the shota shaggy?
>why does springtrap give a shit about a non-child?
Remember, anon, they ARE meddling kids.
Shaggy is the oldest at 17, and Velma is the youngest at 15.
Also Slick Willy likes to run over dogs with his car.
The guy did nothing wrong. He made a good animated short and used AI voice acting to cover something he wasn't able to do. I really hope Hollywood just fricks over the anti-AI crowd by outsourcing to other countries.
This. WGA and SAG-AFTRA commies should be starved to death and then dismantled.
Not as long as you think. AMPTP is still trying to negotiate with them.
I say just cut them loose. Cancel their shows, sign production/distribution deals with foreign studios.
All of the homosexualy VAs and artists who would care about AI are the same ones that think the military veterans will suppress the chuds for wrongthink, even though they are the chuds. All it does is expose tough-talking Californian women and homosexuals for the worthless limpwristed pussies we always knew they were.
>There are industry professionals, including Grey DeLisle trying to get the guy behind it blacklisted for his use of AI voices
>Source: the pits of anon's anal cavity
Its a neat video for sure, but did you REALLY have to use AI flamewarbait? not that I blame you. Cinemaphile never talks about anything at length unless there's something to specifically shit on at all times. Only trash gets to live in this dumpster, whereas hidden gems stay hidden and bumped off in the blink of an eye.
WGA and SAG-AFTRA commies get the rope.
https://twitter.com/greydelisle/status/1690489090389532672?s=61&t=11bbt62qO00jCw4SoQaDyA
I SEE YOUR EYES WHEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT ME
I CAN’T DENY THAT YOU’RE A SIHT TO SEE
Looks like no one agrees with her attitude, not even the ones who oppose the use of AI.
Get bent
Brahmins aren't white
I wish we could just dump all the moronic anti-AI techphobes in the middle of Africa where they can live their moronic lives with no technology.
They’re modern Luddites.
He couldve easily avoided the whole AI controversy by hiring voice actors off of Fiver for 5 dollars or even have his friends voice it. Surely it cant be that hard to copy Scoobys stupid ass voice? After all voicework isnt the reason people like this, the animation is. Maybe he used AI on purpose to make more people talk about this, not that he needed to since this video is alreay popular enough to stand on its own legs. It just seems like controversy he couldve easily avoided
From what I gather, it's a kid with autism and talent.
A) Why should he? AI is a tool, the art was made best by using that tool. The voices that weren't AI were the one that sounded most off.
B) There is no logical rational behind being opposed to the artist using AI to simulate a voice while not having a problem with them using a copyrighted franchise like Scooby or FNAF, or the art style of a classic studio. This is pure culture war cringe.
C) You have to be insane if you think they used AI as an attention seeking stunt.
>Why should he?
Simply to avoid controversy and making enemies in the industry. In a pinned comment he asks Scott Cawthon to listen to a pitch for a FNAF movie he wrote. Do you think he'll have an easy time making a FNAF movie when big names like Grey Delisle are already trying to blacklist him?
>the art was made best by using that tool
Was it? This thing is good because of two things. Its a parody of old Scooby Doo cartoons with FNAF mixed in, and its animation. Nobody came here to listen to the voicework, and using amateur voice actors would not detract from the short at all, not that he needs to since Im sure there are tons of cheap VAs out there who can do a decent impression of the Scooby Doo cast.
>C)
what other reason would there be? He knows the industry hates AI voice, and hes clearly trying to get in. Why would he handicap himself
>Simply to avoid controversy and making enemies in the industry.
Kind of a shitty immoral attitude to take. Unlike using AI, blacklisting is actually illegal and small independent creatives shouldn't have to avoid the wrath of big name buttholes like they're the mafia.
>Was it?
Yes. The short was clearly designed with verisimilitude in mind, and using cheap imitators would distract the audience. Maybe a perfect imitator would do just as good of a job as the AI did, but they'd be hard to find, and wouldn't get around the fact that the original people who's voice is being based on aren't "getting paid" (as if they deserve a penny)
Are you going to argue that you'd be fine with the all the scooby doo actors being fired by the studio and replaced by fiver imitators with no rights or residuals as long as they weren't AI?
>what other reason would there be?
Well you seem to be arguing for my position. Since you admit that this controversy is a handicap and has several awful people trying to blacklist them, so itd make zero sense to use it for "marketing" or controversy.
The reason they used it is because its a non-profit work, by a poor artist not a large studio, and they wanted to create the best work they possibly could.
AI is like piracy, you don't say you do it because it is not well seen
That's a good analogy because Piracy is a moral good and broke the corrupt music industry that was gouging customers and screwing over artists.
And we had similar anti-authoritarian/punk/liberal musicians seething and screeching about music piracy and limewire in the 2000s robbing them of imaginary money they didn't earn or deserve.
History is like pottery, it stanzas
It all makes sense when you realize they’re commies. Like every cult, commies love blacklisting, harassing, and ostracizing those who don’t support them.
>Morality!
>The Mafia!
>big name buttholes!
>but the original VAs!
Oh shut the frick up you homosexual. This kid wants to get into the industry. He knows the industry hates AI voice. So he breaks his own legs and gets blacklisted (you say blacklisting is illegal and here are big name VAs blacklisting the guy, so if its illegal it clearly isnt enforced) when he couldve spent five bucks. And cheap imitators would not distract the audience because nobody cares for a 1:1 imitation in a parody. If this poor artist didn't want to spend a single buck he couldve easily gotten his friends to voice for him but instead made the choice to do something that would guarantee controversy.
>Are you going to argue that you'd be fine with the all the scooby doo actors being fired by the studio and replaced by fiver imitators with no rights or residuals as long as they weren't AI?
What does this have to do with anything I said? I'm asking why the creator of this short chose to purposefully get himself on a shitlist instead of forking out five bucks.
I am really not worried about the kids job prospects because a few elderly fricks worried about being replaced and some twitter tards momentarily upset about this until the next controversy comes along. They clearly have talent and drive by making this by themselves, and the people who actually run studios, the industry, knows that AI is going to be a tool of the future.
Blacklisting is illegal, but you're right it is almost impossible to enforce that law. But the sheer hypocrisy of the liberal minded, faux pro-worker buttholes condemning a artist for using AI while actually committing crimes against workers is worth pointing out.
You think he could have avoided a controversy by reducing the quality of his art. And I'm saying he shouldn't.
fair. but I believe he should. His dream in his own words is to make a FNAF movie with Scott Cawthons blessing, and Scott is a man tired of constant controversy. So he should do the FNAF movie first and later on, when hes a big guy, then start using AI. Some roman philosopher or something said "dont shackle yourself at the start of the race"
He isn't using AI because he likes it, he's using AI because he's poor and this was just a nonprofit animation showcase. And it shouldn't fricking matter anyway because AI is a tool and there's nothing wrong with using it to enhance your work.
>nobody cares for a 1:1 imitation in a parody
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Humans have rights. Ai are not people. All humans should be valued over anything else by default.
>Humans have rights. Ai are not people. All humans should be valued over anything else by default.
Anybody who isn't white or east asian isn't really human tbh
Then this site should literally be as anti AI as possible as non white people made AI.
Love you too, anon.
I thought he did hire for Scooby and Shaggy, but used AI for the rest because of budget
He could've avoid it if the twitter locusts who keep whining about AI would shut the frick up
He could’ve avoided it if people like you weren’t moronic.
Fanartists shouldn't be forced into spending money because of prideful reasons.
Most people on Fiverrr are pajeets, you wouldn’t want Daphne or Velma sounding like Patel from Mumbai
>this person's work is great but because he used a tool I don't like he deserves to fail
ok then
AI is here to stay. Get over it, Neo-Luddites.
Yes, yes, the people who burned down Maui are clearly in league with Blackrock, the glowies, the Hollywood strikers, Joe Biden and his son, and everyone you describe as groomers. But the issue is that your party's frickkkkkkkked and that 85,000 children died in Yemen.
The kid shouldn't have used it because he knew the situation it would cause, DeLisle should have done some research first because it's a teenager, and you're pathetic. Have sex.
Personally I'm just surprised nobody has tried to argue the short was low quality yet.
Every time something obviously amazing or beautiful is created and then is revealed to be AI you tend to get dozens of buttholes scrawl out of the woodwork and and loudly proclaim "Oh, I knew it was AI all along, it looks terrible!", "This sounds awful, of course it was made by a machine." "No soul, no soul!" As if we don't have eyes or ears to judge for ourself.
>Every time something obviously amazing or beautiful is created and then is revealed to be AI you tend to get dozens of buttholes scrawl out of the woodwork and and loudly proclaim "Oh, I knew it was AI all along, it looks terrible!", "This sounds awful, of course it was made by a machine." "No soul, no soul!" As if we don't have eyes or ears to judge for ourself.
Name 3 times it happened shill
Most AI art can be told apart from real art
They was literally an art piece that won a big state competition like a year ago that was submitted to be a demonstration of how advanced AI art can fool humans.
Is that the only example you can think of? Of course technically unsavy boomers and women (you know, the main audience for art exhibits) could be fooled.
Do you think voice actors would start b***hing about sentence mixing if it got good enough to not be able to tell the difference from the original voice acting?
AI voices are technically improved sentence mixing
I don't mind AI voice usage but I think people who take joy in the actors' dismay at the situation are sad miserable buttholes who I'd never want to be friends with.
I don’t want to be friends with you either, you sanctimonious brat
Please forgive me... I know it's wrong of me to judge you for being a wienerroach who takes joy in other's misery rather than fixing his own...
Genuinely 100 times more creative and faithful to Scooby than anything from the last 10 years.
>But it’s the meme game!
homie I don’t care this felt like an actual scooby show.
So let me get this straight: He wants to make a movie for Scott Cawthon and used AI to help.
Why would Scott Cawthon hire him to make a movie when he could just use AI for everything? If AI is a tool then his own career will be obliterated by the tool he's using to try and start it.
>why would you hire a construction worker when he's just going to use an hammer you could use yourself???
At this point I'm genuinely rooting for Skynet.
False analogy, because construction, building etc is infinitely harder to automate because it exists in proper reality. But what this '''animator''' did can easily be generated by an AI trained on stop motion animation so I don't see why anyone should waste their time hiring him.
>AI can imitate voices well
>therefore it must also be good at writing a script and animating it
Lol, lmao, next time don't put all your eggs in the same job bubble.
It can, yes. AI can generate images fine, and it can certainly write a competent script with training.
>AI can generate images fine
after you fiddle with the settings and edit them, yeah
>it can certainly write a competent script with training
Are you fricking moronic?
>AI can generate images fine
>so it surely must be able to generate coherent animation
Lolno.
Also you have to decide, is AI actually generating images "fine" or is it just shitting out bottom-of-the-barrel slop that will never have decent-looking hands, as a lot of Cinemaphilepers were claiming not even a year ago?
If you really wanted to use your awful construction analogy its more akin to having an hourly worker insist he’s competent enough to be a structural engineer on a high-rise just because he read blueprints well enough to build a doghouse.
>VA trying to pretend his "work" is in any way comparable to engineering
You should be glad you got any money out of such an easy gig, and use all the dosh you saved up to improve your life.
You saved up some money, right?
You didn't burn through checks with zero foresight like a pornstar, because surely the good days would never end, right?
>bluffing this badly
Token-based LLM approaches have terrible short-term memory, even with the best hardware money can buy they can't fit into memory more than the last thousand words or so.
HYENA and derivatives are more promising on that front, but they're still research material.
>frick my analogy is fricking dogshit the only person smart enough to blow me the frick out this thoroughly HAS to be in the VA industry
I was talking more about how doing a competent fan animation does not a competent filmmaker make, in regards to this morons want to make a Fnaf movie. The fact that he couldn’t come up with actual VAs and instead chose AI says a lot about his ability to network and operate in a team.
But go ahead and keep up this fanfic of yours, its entertaining in much the same way watching a schizophrenic rant is.
>>why would you hire a construction worker when he's just going to use an hammer you could use yourself???
Yes? If I know how to build, I'd do it myself. I don't owe anyone else work if I can do it myself. Isn't that the fricking point of using AI? That I can just do shit myself and not use a professional?
Even if the end result is unsafe and crumbles over my head? After all the Ai is the future and no one else deserved my time.
lmao the AIgays seething when theyre own logic is used against them
their*
Sorry saar I use AI for auto-correct, please forgive if there are any mistakes, the technology is not yet perfected
In your stupidity you don't even realize that auto-correct IS a type of "AI", just like a ton of algorithms we use in our daily life that used to be called AI by tech geek journalists are just so mundane now we don't think of them as AI or much at all.
What the average person is actually talking about when they say AI now is transformer models
Which one is Starscream, we need to stop that model before it betrays us
>So let me get this straight: He wants to make a movie for Scott Cawthon and used AI to help.
Yes for the movie. No for the AI.
He claims he only used AI because he simply had no other choice due to only being able to avoid one actor for Shaggy.
>Wahhhh why are people being mean to me for scabbing when I'm trying to apply for guild membership!
>Blender
Oh, he did a great job on the felt hair then. Totally fooled me!
>People are goin after him!
It's probably a bad idea to post a work you're explicitly calling a portfolio piece to break into the industry in the middle of a massive strike.
>VAs are on strike
>therefore you shouldn't dare to do any creative work in the meantime, capisci?
And I thought we had it bad with the mob, wew lad.
Anon you're moronic
The guy literally says in the description that this is a portfolio piece meant to get him work.
He's scabbing during a strike, and scabbing against both the WGA and SAG WHILE TRYING TO JOIN
No one would care if he was a self employed indie with no intention of joining the guild(s) like worthikids.
He isn't a VA and isn't trying to become one, so he cannot possibly be a scab.
Burgerland unions are a cancer, much like everything else in that God-forsaken country.
Tranime has been gentrified by white devils so much that I think Cinemaphile would be better off banning it.
Or you could go back to where you came from
Voice acting is not a real job, and it deserves to be replaced by AI which can create any nvoice and do it cheaper and eventually after it improves do it perfectly.
Animation is not a real job, and it deserves to be replaced by AI which can create any style and do it cheaper and eventually after it improves do it perfectly.
Oh no, did I hurt your feelings? Are you one of the poor unfortunate fools who spent their entire life thinking that talking into a microphone with a funny voice(something everyone can do) would be your totally unique dream job?
>makes a dumb post
>gets mocked
>y-y-yuore s-seething
>voiceacting is easy!
Its really not and is literally a skill, this is why its a job.
Take a look at that Helluva Boss episode where they pissed away god knows how much just to get Kesha to voice the stupid sparkle bee fox compared to Loona’s VA. Flat delivery, zero emotional inflection, b***h is clearly just reading the script in a normal speaking voice. absolute waste of money.
>Its really not and is literally a skill, this is why its a job.
lol no, its piss easy and something that everyone can do. The guild and unions just make it harder for people to get into the business and essentially gatekeep it to keep new people out so they have less competition for their incredibly easy and cushy jobs.
The guilds are extremely easy to join. Fricking extras are in SAG.
The strike has nothing to do with diversity and there's nothing about diversity in anyone's demands, you're being played or just lying through your teeth
>I don't like them so they're dumb!
What are you, 8?
>he isn't a VA and isn't trying to become one
He's a writer and animator you moron
I know you kids have probably never actually seen an effective strike in your lifetime but this is ridiculous
>lol no, its piss easy and something that everyone can do
Again, listen to the example I’ve given. Theres a big quality difference in someone who can actually voice act and impart emotion into their voice vs. someone that just reads their lines out loud.
>The guild and unions just make it harder for people to get into the business and essentially gatekeep
Congrats you underage tool, you’re intelligent enough to understand the purpose of unions, which is to protect employment for their members. if you’ve actually worked outside of your summer fast food job you’d know this.
>cushy
Compared to physical labor? ye, but so is also any job that isnt physical. Its still not any less stressful than any other kind of office work.
Why are VAs entitled to less protections? because you deem their job “easier”?
This. I don't care how much skill it takes. The unions and guilds are actively anti-competition and make it harder for noobs to join the industry. Frick all these hollywood fricks that are trying to keep their jobs and stop young talent from upcoming. All this anti-AI shit and pay raises is just a front/extra bonus to try to keep centralized power.
omg you're so right bestie unions are bad. no more unions. im going to back out of my union tomorrow and convince everyone i know to drop their union too
ur trolling but unions in the usa suck and most pro-union narrative has been communist propaganda in america since the beginning. being pro-worker has always been co-opted by commies including the "good ol days"
>lol no, its piss easy and something that everyone can do
Then why do you need AI to do it if it's so easy?
Because AI makes it even easier, moron.
If you're so useless and pathetic that you need a calculator to add 1 and 1 together, you deserve death and no remorse.
ITT children with nothing better to do whine about a person trying to join the guild(s) violating strike rules being told his work violates strike rules
>Be animation student
>Make a genuine labor of love which is also supposed to be a funny shitpost, mostly to show off your own animation skills
>Need VAs
>Tight on cash
>Not a big fan of AI, but seems like a good alternative in this case
>What could go wrong, it's just a shitpo-
>Thousands of morons on Twitter have a fricking meltdown
It's funny, almost no one on YT seems to have an issue with it.
>Tight on cash
>Not a big fan of AI, but seems like a good alternative in this case
You dont need AI if you are tight on cash.
You don't need feet if you're walking down the block
of course not. You could crawl or use a wheelchair
>Be person trying to join a professional guild
>Put out work that violates their strike rules while trying to join
>Get told it violates strike rules and might prevent you from joining
>AHHHHHH WHAT'S GOING ON IT'S 1984!
Did lead paint become a popular children's snack when I wasn't looking? Why are you all so fricking stupid?
AIgays have turned off their brains and instead rely on AI to do their thinking for them. The tech is a bit wonky rn but it'll improve. Hopefully
Maybe the Union rules are stupid and doesn’t help anyone at all
They absolutely do help people you great fricking fool.
No at all you stupid fricking commie, simping for the most corrupt anti-worker union in America.
If this does violate strike rules for a guild he's trying to join then yeah, that's stupid, but I think I saw that angle brought up maybe once in the torrent of seethe, with most people getting their nipples in a twist over the mere mention of AI.
>moronic troony bootlicker astroturfiing
>tranime reaction images
Hmmm!
>anime? on Cinemaphile?
>Put out work that violates their strike rules while trying to join
Is making a non-profit animation for yourself as someone not part of the guild against the rules of the guild strike?
>I don't know what a monopoly is
cool story kid
>"what do you do for a living?"
>"I talk into a microphone all day with silly voices, but its really hard work and-"
>right-wing "humor" really is just "I don't respect this person" with no setups or punchlines
the podcasts were right
When you put it like that any job can sound stupid
>t. someone who got paid thousands of dollars to stack and move boxes at a supermarket for a few years
No, sorry, that sounds like a real, respectable job.
Nobody respects grocery stockers anon, and you pretending otherwise makes you look like a disengenuous homosexual.
Oh did he use AI voices? Frick him then.
For everyone except Shaggy, Scooby, and I think the purple guy.
>AI voices
Oh, they were badly done enough I just assumed he was just having some friends do some voices for him.
The him begging scott to help him with his FNAF fan film in the comments was awkward, but otherwise I thought the stop motion was well done.
I apreciate the rankin bass type mouth design.
A few months ago I thought anti-Ai people were just stupid but well intentioned. But now its clear they are some of the worst, dumbest motherfrickers in the country and should be sterilized.
>STOP USING AI YOU'RE TAKING US VAS OUT OF WORK
>Oh you want me to do something for your project? That'll be 50 grand for a few lines plus tip depending on whether or not you need me to have a motivation for the tone and
Maybe VAs really should be hanged after all
And that's why we're getting to the strikes we are now. Scale has become woefully bloated that small projects are just cut out.
Current VA rules about pay have been pure cancer for the art of animation.
Ever wonder why cartoons just refuse to name minor side characters or extras? Because the instant a character is named that adds thousands of dollars in cost to the script.
What the character to sing a little tune? Whistle while they walk? Not even a big musical number, just sing happy birthday? Instant tens of thousands of dollars.
Why do almost no program last more than 2 seasons? Because Union rules demand actors get truly massive pay rises if a show goes longer no matter how unpopular it is. Hence why Simpsons ended up getting paid millions of dollars per shitty lazy episode even if a VA only had a couple of lines. Its disgusting.
>Why do almost no program last more than 2 seasons? Because Union rules demand actors get truly massive pay rises if a show goes longer no matter how unpopular it is. Hence why Simpsons ended up getting paid millions of dollars per shitty lazy episode even if a VA only had a couple of lines. Its disgusting.
This is also why shows will occasionally slap on/change a subtitle every couple of seasons. To make it "technically" a different show to bypass this mandatory raise.
The thing that gets me is that Grey was never going to be in this. She's an official Scooby VA. I find it incredibly hard to believe her contract with Warner wouldn't forbid unofficial projects like this.
The only money saved here was from some random, non-union soundalike.
The union voice actors belong to would have Grey drawn and quartered for doing Daphne as scab work before WB had a chance to fire her. The principle is the same: the idiot making this could have hired any amateur voice actor and everyone would be amused. Repurposing a repped, union actor's performance could get this pulled from YouTube if a DMCA were filed.
Everyone is amused except for a few clueless wokescolds on the wrong side of history.
Ironically she probably could've done voice work for something on this level since it's "independent" and she's, ahem, "Seasoned" enough, while hiring an ametuer voice actor might well get them blacklisted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/18/business/actors-strike-film-exemptions.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/acting/comments/151ehp7/influencer_sag_scab_callout_masterpost/
Because you're lower, and you just are hoping and praying you're going to get a cookie for sucking up to the right people, but you're not going to get rewarded. Not before them, not as much as them, they get to keep working, you don't. They're worthy of exception in an independent(That's still going to land on streaming), you're not.
Thank you for sharing op
I don't get what the hubbub is about, so he made bootleg scooby doo for his portfolio? So what? Indie game devs do the same thing for their portfolios remaking games to show off to employers and shit.
hes also trying to get into the industry and the pinned comment is him begging Scott Cawthon to let him make a FNAF movie. He also used AI voices in his short. Now Grey Delisle and presumably other big names in the industry are trying to blacklist him
tl;dr: kid wants to make a movie and already stepped on toes and AIgays are rallying around him as a champion
>people are rallying around a talented artist that did nothing wrong and is being illegally blacklisted and harassed by psychopathic industryshills and bitter hasbeens
Wow, are you really surprised people oppose corrupt buttholes?
Where are the AIgays? I don't see them. Or are you seriously trying to imply that anyone, regardless of their opinion on AI, who's against this hatemobbing over a nobody artist in the slightest is an AIgay?
The concerning thing to me is this may lead down a slippery slope of when AI voices from unconsenting sources is considered acceptable for any use. People on Twitter are always saying "it's ok because he's just a kid and he has no money!"
Thats no fricking excuse. There's no shortage of voice actors out there who will do work for little to no pay, just to get their name on the credits. There's several communities he could've reached out to for this, but he didn't. AI took slots from people who could've used it in their portfolio.
It's not acceptable by any means. Good on him for apologizing and Grey may have overreacted. But the "It's ok to use AI voices in your cartoon if..." leads down a dangerous road of more and more excuses. It's not ok, period.
well the kid isn't making money i think, i don't mind the use of AI as no as it is non profit
Does the video have ads on it?
It links to his patreon and is a portfolio piece meant to advertise him to employers
>If you like what i'm doing and are interested in supporting me, subscribe to my Patreon. Over there you'll get sneak peeks and behind the scenes breakdowns of my work!
His patreon is related to his work and posted it on this video.
So yes, he is making money off of this.
I haven't see any ads on any of my watching
>The concerning thing to me is this may lead down a slippery slope of when AI voices from unconsenting sources is considered acceptable for any use.
Ehh, sooner or later there's gonna be a library of licensed voices with software capable of modification, so I don't think that's gonna be a problem.
Yeah but goes both ways, imagine a world where nobody can do fanart without half of the internet complaining they didn't pay the copyright holders or didn't ask permission for the creator of the OG OC. This isn't a commercial work, Isn't his time investment enough? he has to ask an specific people to do voices if he want to make a Scooby Doo/Fnaf crossover?
He's already using two existing IP's without permission, and yet no one says a thing about that. But suddenly it's an issue with voices despite being much of the same thing.
The topic is AI moron, not the IP. The IP not being original already has people in the past b***hing over that it's not relevant right now being about AI.
But it's the same thing. If the problem is "you can't use this because it's the voice actors work" well FNAF and Scooby Doo are also someone elses work. Yes no one has an issue with using those works in something he's putting on a portfolio, yet suddenly it's an issue when you do the same thing for voices.
Black person it's like b***hing a cop failed to arrest the criminal when the judge is talking about why the criminal is being charged for arson .
It's two separate subjects where the latter is the current topic and the relevant one. Go be moronic somewhere else, no one once said "stealing IPs is ok".
He didn’t “step” on any toes. He made a great short and used Ai to save money which is any normal person wouldn’t care about. The only people upset are insufferable twittercels who piss their pants when they hear the word “AI” and go after small time nobodies on Youtube while trying to fight for the “lower class”.
>used Ai to save money
For the millionth fricking time, there's communities of good voice actors who will work for next to nothing just to get their name out there.
And? Would they still deliver the same product?
That wasn't your argument. Stop moving goalposts.
No. Crying about le goalposts isn't going to keep me from attacking your argument homosexual. Would these people who would work for dirt deliver the same quality as AI? The answer is no and you know it or you wouldn't have tried to deflect. So then there's always SOMEONE who wants more money, is he not allowed to use AI because he could just pay his neighbor or a bum to speak into a mic or is it only "artists" who are arbitrarily entitled to his money? Again answer the question or I'll take it as a concession
The answer is no, the humans would deliver better. You can't direct AI, you just type text in and hope it gives you what you want. Not every one is a winner but that's why you have something called "auditions".
The AI took roles away that could've been used be aspiriting professional voice actors which could've been used in their resume. That's a fact.
>You can't direct AI, you just type text in
Speech to speech ai exists now
>You can't direct AI, you just type text in and hope it gives you what you want.
Actually, you can to an extent. And I imagine it's only going to get better. We've just hit the tip of what ai can do, things are progressing faster and faster. Also contrary to a belief I see floating around, ai isn't some mystery black box. Ai has a ton of mathematical rigor backing it, in the upcoming years we'll see things get even crazy. I've been telling my friends and family about this shit for years, but I didn't think things would progress as fast as they have.
I think in the future it would be best if you had to pay people for using their voices if you make money off the voice because there is no way we'd be able to implement or really justify a full ai ban. The problem is that Pandora's box has already been opened. We are in a situation where once again the law failed to foresee a budding technology that has been on the rise for several years. Anyone who studies the more technology-leaning STEM fields on a professional level saw this shit coming a mile away.
>Instead her first option was to go full scorched earth. She didn't even reach out and talk nicely to him.
This. She was too quick to vilify him.
>the legal framework doesnt exist
Like usual all tripgays are moronic.
Likenesses are already legally protected. The moment this hits the courts is the moment those “likeness” protections extend to voice portrayals. Shits sake the music industry already has protections in place for artists’ voices.
>For the millionth fricking time, there's communities of good voice actors who will work for next to nothing just to get their name out there.
And? Id rather still just use AI that can give me exactly what I need instead of interviewing random people and hoping I find what I want. Whatever I cant do myself, Id rather just AI it.
Ok, no one's stopping you, you just won't be able to join these guilds if you do it under your own name.
>Give me whatever I want
So you're fine with flat deliveries and not being able to direct it? God you're fricking stupid.
>AI art is shit and it sucks and it will never match the quality of real art ever
>w-we still need to freak out about it and ban it anyway though. just because. Don't bother trying it out for yourself, it's not good. no, stop that download. No, stop stop STOPSTOPSTOP WAIT
The freaking out is still justified, because idiots who have absolutely no understand what the AI is producing will use it to replace people who could do a better job.
They're not mutually exclusive.
This is one of the best anti AI copes I've ever seen
Enjoy 5 years later when everything being produced is even shittier than it already is, and the people who have talent cant get jobs.
I don't know why you're celebrating this. Maybe you and the others just don't have talent and have never held a real job before.
>t. Crying like a homosexual about possibly having to get a real job (or do art with the actual work ethic of one) because he can't overcharge everyone
You know, considering you're begging ME for MY money, maybe you should start being a little more respectful.
I don't want your fricking money, not that you have any anyway.
>who could do a better job.
I beg to differ.
Everyone is saying the AI lines in the movie are flat. They would've sounded better with voice actors (many who would've done it for free) where they could've given them clear direction, resulting in a better product.
>many who would've done it for free
You heard it here first kids. Voice actors will do it for free! Imagine.
Exactly. So there was no reason for him to use AI in the first place.
>Exactly. So there was no reason for him to use AI in the first place.
No. If they are working for free, then they are worthless and you should be using AI instead.
>Being obtuse to sarcasm on purpose
>who could do a better job
>who COULD
Yeah but do they?
Creators, practical ones anyway, have concerns outside of making sure their project is the highest quality possible. You're right that for every director using AI, there's probably some actor that could do the job better. But there are legitimate reasons why a creator would compromise on quality and use the AI anyway.
Even if this hypothetical actor provided a professional performance for free (lmao), there's still shit like time constraints and the fact that AI's don't get sick, age, or die.
>it doesnt matter if all our demand went to the other guy, our product IS better because we say so, the consumer is just too STUPID to realize it, we shouldn't have to compete with anybody else! just ban the competition and MAKE them buy from us!!!
Holy moly! I always thought all these blowhard artist types hated late stage capitalism but one small taste of competition and you guys make the average wall street exec look like Marx. I'm impressed, that kind of cognitive dissonance must take years to build.
If its so bad then you should have no issue with me using it.
>AI is so convincing it's threatening voice acting
>AI is so bad why would you use it
Pick one you cro-magnon.
Source?
That's cool. For any of the Scooby and Shaggy impersonators out there, they're free to make their own videos just to get their name out there. They don't even need to animate, people would love a radioplay podcast.
You ever actually used those communities? Ask mod makers, armature VA's are the biggest pains in the ass to work with.
Yes, actually. Gianni does meme stuff and all that for free and helps out with indie projects all the time.
>Gianni does meme stuff
Gianni is only capable of making a poor Duke Nukem voice and having him say shit like “Trans rights artichokie!” He’s not remotely talented in the least bit.
Rakin-Bass is actually cute, zoomers imitating good comics from 90 years ago isn’t. Nobody wants to watch your shit arthouse film, buddy
>Gianni is only capable of making a poor Duke Nukem voice and having him say shit like “Trans rights artichokie!” He’s not remotely talented in the least bit.
Don't care, your argument was around amateur VAs being a pain in the ass not around your opinion of quality.
I’m not that guy, but he’s right. Meme VAs are unfunny and will block you for having the wrong political opinion. At least robots don’t talk back to you.
If I wanted to make Homer Simpson say “Gas the israelites, race war now” I could have a machine do it instantly instead of searching endlessly just to find a guy who’s not only willing to do it, but capable to make a good Homer impression.
>I wanted to make Homer Simpson say “Gas the israelites, race war now”
Oh man, if someone actually posted that in the thread, it would make all the bullshit in this thread worth it.
>well one VA can meet deadlines so it means all of them aren't the type to ghost you and constantly create drama
Very compelling anon.
I've tried to work with indie VAs. They're always ecstatic to work with you. Right up until you actually need something. Then it's like pulling teeth. Sometimes they'll just straight up ghost you.
>All the people who want the studios to win
You really have to give credit to big business to how throughly they brain fricked Americans into hating unions. Imaging cheering for the people who want to scan an extra’s likeness so they can use it in perpetuity without compensation.
Imagine cheering for gatekeeping corrupt nepo-babies that get paid millions of dollars.
I used to think leftists were smart, sneering at Libertarians who wanted no gov regulation because they thought some day THEY'D be the billionaire. Leftists are just as fricking stupid, thinking they'll be the hot shot billionaire artist, so copyright law and workers rights in the arts should be shit and geared to the 1%.
>not wanting AI to demolish multiple entire workforces all at once with no material gain is anti-worker's rights
Automation is coming for a sector and they're unionizing to not starve.
It'll happen eventually, it's inevitable, but they've got every right to negotiate to prolong that death and keep that sector of the economy going.
The people derisively saying "learn to code!" accidentally have a point as the comparison to the loss of mining jobs is apt, but the irony there is that most coding positions were already very low paying or outsourced and now AI is very rapidly replacing teams of grunt coders.
What's been needed all along is UBI - if computers and automation can do the work of 300 million men while being operated by 1 million then why the frick should everyone be stuck doing meaningless labor just to eat? We already know that in that situation people would still work either to gain luxuries, status, or for personal fulfillment, the fields won't go fallow, so why withhold necessities?
NTA, but the rise of AI has gotten me to really think about how business and art interact and how that ultimately led to the current struggle. I think if more people were honest and started talking about media that's made with intention of making money as a product first and art second, there would be a more productive discussion and more understanding.
they should learn how to code their own ai to beat up all the other ai's and become the alpha ai
>What's been needed all along is UBI - if computers and automation can do the work of 300 million men while being operated by 1 million then why the frick should everyone be stuck doing meaningless labor just to eat? We already know that in that situation people would still work either to gain luxuries, status, or for personal fulfillment, the fields won't go fallow, so why withhold necessities?
> then why the frick should everyone be stuck doing meaningless labor just to eat?
This is what aigays have no answer for.
>All people that think voice AI is fine believe everything else being done with AI is good
Don't be disingenuous.
Because the reality of the physical world is you need to work to survive. Neanderthals needed to work to survive and even medieval kings had to as well. You are not exempt from the realities of living in a material world no matter how much you whine or cite marx.
>Because the reality of the physical world is you need to work to survive.
>Uses outdated humans as a argument when talking about le future with ai
how ironic, it's ok for tech to be given more rights of freedom overr what humans can do, selectively, but humans, despite literally not being efficient at global scale labor, should be stuck doing slave labor, because "my ansters" did it. Get fricking bent fricking c**t. If AI can replace something so mundane as art then humans don't deserve to work at ALL and all things no matter how big or small should be programmable.
if my survival is by shortening it with slave labor instead of extended with passive labor, then frick it all, just let the bots take over and kill all humans.
You're a moron if you think the essence of my argument was appealing to tradition or past
>What's been needed all along is UBI - if computers and automation can do the work of 300 million men while being operated by 1 million then why the frick should everyone be stuck doing meaningless labor just to eat? We already know that in that situation people would still work either to gain luxuries, status, or for personal fulfillment, the fields won't go fallow, so why withhold necessities?
Most won't like that the end game is not going to be UBI but just being ok with the bottom 80% of the population being culled.
I don't want the studios to win anon, I just don't want the voice actors to win either. Everything is already going down this is just another part of it.
So it's fine when you use ai to generate funny meme pictures or song covers, or make president let's play videos. But the exact moment someone uses ai cause they don't have enough money for it and can't find peeps to do voice work, suddenly they're a horrible person and deserve to be blacklisted from the industry?
This sucks, I actually loved how much heart and effort this kid put into replicating that sort of Rankin Bass shitty special look lol.
How long until hackers start making viruses made specifically to destroy entertainment creating AI?
>AI
I hope he does get blacklisted
>He did this to save money
>Yeah well he should spend money anyways because I say he should!
I feel that's like half the arguments against him itt.
>spend years crying about artists getting lowballed for work and paid in "exposure"
>WAIT NO YOU CANT REPLACE US IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOURE ON A BUDGET WE CAN WORK FOR EXPOSURE
holy frick you guys lost before the game even started, AI art is never never ever ever ever going to fricking go anywhere, sorry you suddenly like capitalism now that you benefit from it but you are not entitled to our money and AI art is not going to get banned for your sake. all your non artist friends pretend to give a shit but use it behind your back too. learn to code Black person
This isn't about AI art, it's about AI voice acting, which actually has made great improvements in recent times.
Remember when this board was obsessed with ElevenLabs for a little bit before they neutered it and placed it behind a paywall because it was too good?
Even ElevenLabs is shit. Still a very long way to go.
Private models are being pitched to angel investment and hollywood right now. Also megachurches. I've personally heard a Morgan Freeman e-book model that's completely indistinguishable and a number of conversational voice clones that not only sound perfect but imitate imperfections (stuttering, filler words, pauses).
VA's have a lot to fear from voice cloning and synthesized voices, especially since there are already ones with intonation controls a director can use to fine-tune the performance
>learn to code Black person
AI's going to take the job of a programmer before it does one for an artist
As a programmer, I'm learning how to use AI rather than fighting against it. We make an incredible team and I know how to utilize it to make creative projects that couldn't be instructed by anyone else but a programmer like me.
This is the future of programming and this is how you're going to survive.
>"but I DID eat breakfast!"
It never ceases to amaze me how morons respond to organizational societal-level problems with individual-level solutions with no regard to scaling
What makes you think I didn't consider that as well? I just summarized the damn thing, I'm not writing a novel about what I've learned over the last 8 months and considering what the future holds.
>What makes you think I didn't consider that as well?
The fact that you responded to a problem impacting an entire economic sector with a solution that only works for a few individuals.
>I'm not writing a novel about what I've learned over 8 months
You don't even understand what I said, do you?
>for a few individuals
A few? I have a strong understanding what the future holds and adapting before I'm left behind, while continuing to stay on top of what comes next. I cannot be one of the "few" programmers doing this.
>You don't even understand what I said, do you?
Do you even understood what you said?
>A few?
Yes. The nature of automation is that it reduces the number of jobs in a field. You're talking about AI-assisted work that replaces whole teams of workers. That you can't think beyond your own individual circumstances to look at the issue top-down and at-scale only proves my point.
"Just learn how to use AI" is not a solution to the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, it is a personal solution for a small fraction of people who have lost a job. It does not scale.
It's not going to save all jobs, but you're being hyperbolic. Someone who doesn't know the first thing about programming isn't going to be able to direct AI correctly to give them what they want, or utilize its potential. Without the direction and understand of what it's actually producing, its all going to fall apart, especially with larger projects.
>It's not going to save all jobs, but you're being hyperbolic
I'm not, I'm intimately familiar with the ways companies already keep programming wages low and they're fricking salivating over not just the automation but the ability to squeeze outsourced firms to be even cheaper to compete with AI products.
>Someone who doesn't know the first thing about programming isn't going to be able to direct AI correctly
Anon you're not making a point here. An automated manufacturing plant needs technicians to operate and maintain it, but that doesn't mean it employs the same numbers and skills as a manual line.
This is a problem you're not addressing, probably because you just don't care as it doesn't impact you. Your solution, the one that works for you, does not scale.
And I'm well aware of it too, but in the end they still need living breathing humans to direct the thing. The amount will shrink but not like you're claiming.
>It DOES NOT SCALE!!!
I already said it doesn't. Maybe I'm having difficulty explaining it to you because I'm assuming you're not a programmer and just looking at what they do from the outside in.
>Ok, everything you said is right but uhhh...it won't be that bad guy!
>you're not a programmer so you don't get it!
I built and supported AI "solutions" related to anything linguistic. That's why I'm so familiar with AI, foreign programming firms, and code monkeys being replaced. My company often hired for grunt coding work to meet contract or compliance demand off of the gig marketplace (which is seriously bad already), but today we would've been able to hire a single intern to do all of it.
Coding as an employment prospect is going to shrink massively in the next few years, and "be a better coder" is not an solution to an economic shock.
Don't care much for FNAF, but I liked it. Very impressive recreation of Rankin Bass' stop motion and pretty accurate to the original Scooby-Doo.
The AI voices were probably the worst part, sounds too flat. Understandable why he had to use them though
>Understandable why he had to use them though
No it's not.
Yes it is. Cry about it.
>No argument.
AI shills on Cinemaphile are fricking morons anon. They don’t use these image and text generators so they have no idea of their actual quality which is why they act like theyre magical and can print symphonies.
Theyre just shitposters looking for a dopamine hit. Point out that theyre moronic and shuffle on, you might as well be trying to teach mechanical engineering to chimps.
cry about it, shouldn't you be striking outside rn?
>if you don't like it then strike and don't let people who break your rules into your guild!
Ok.
you will never be entitled to one of his kidneys just so his nonprofit short can have scooby saying ruh roh once
Who the frick cares about some nobodies who have to whisper in the mic because they don't want their parents to bang on the door? He'd be spending even more time trying to wrangle an acceptable quality out of them than the machine.
>You're right but who cares lol?
All I'm hearing. Get fricked.
I still don't know what the anti-AI crowd's long term plan is tbqh.
Why can't i hire blacklisted people?
'cause they're black
>artists on Twitter spend the last few years banding together and encouraging everyone (colluding) to raise (gouge) their prices
>"can't afford it? Well frick you, we don't care, it's our supply, we get to set prices. Life's not fair, maybe you should get a job!"
>woops! you got automated. Your previously exclusive product is now in the hands of the masses. supply booms to infinity and your fixed prices are now unsustainable
>"WAIT NO THATS NOT FAIR YOU HAVE TO BUY FROM US AND US ALONE I NEED THE MONEY NO I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO LOWER MY PRICES THINK ABOUT MY LIFESTYLE"
you dont get to reap the benefits of capitalism and then opt out when it's no longer in your favor. you had nothing to say when everyone else was getting automated, why is it bad now that it affects you?
>SAG extras and writers were "reaping the benefits of capitalism"
your epic twitter reaction picture says more than a real argument ever could. I'll have my AI chat bot write you an apology.
>an image reply? on an image board?
Go back
Hmm, still not seeing an argument here. Is this just you conceding?
Idk who's dumber, people who think AI is going to replace art or people who think AI is going to replace art. It's the same shit every few years. Someone makes some shitty robot or program that they claim is going to replace X industry and make it so that humans will never have to work ever again and it never fricking happens. In the 80s and 90s people where freaking out about automation destroying all the factory jobs only for it to create more jobs and at a much higher pay since it now requires even more training to teach people to run overly complicated machines. Notice how the only good examples of AI art and voice acting all still require the person to do massive amounts of editing and fixing for it to sound or look even semi decent. AI is a fad that like VR, the segway, corn fule and more are going to fade away or become some niche overly expensive hobby autistic people will only ever care about.
Yeah we keep finding a way to generate art every other year, it's old news at this point. moron
Remember when computers where supposed to kill 2D animation? And then how CGI was supposed to kill 2D animation? And how computers where supposed to kill traditional art like painting and sculpting? And how computers where supposed to kill traditional music.
Yet here we are and your a massive gayot.
Yeah 2d animation is alive and well LMAO you couldn't even make it ONE SENTENCE without fricking yourself you actual fricking moron
>Yeah 2d animation is alive and well
yes, in japan. What, that goes against your narrative because America lives rent free in your blackened skull matter?
computers did kill 2d animation, all we have is tweened garbage now
I mean, "kill" might be overdoing it but they were massively displaced.
Acting like AI is a fad is moronic, so is acting like AI is going to destroy human made art in its entirety.
>Yet here we are and your a massive gayot
On top of your dumb argument, you're such a massive fricking idiot that you can't even spell that right.
>In the 80s and 90s people where freaking out about automation destroying all the factory jobs
Luckily they didn't need automation for that with NAFTA.
>for years the hollywood clique has closely guarded their own, living in their own bubble of libshit paradise making oodles of cash
>an amateur makes a hit cartoon short using AI voices because how the frick can he fill 10 minutes of animation with 5+ voiced characters without paying hundreds of dollars
>this is worst than cosby'ing actors/actresses and other literal crimes
I hope AI shatters the industry and all of Hollywood into a trillion pieces
Mods and Hiro, can you ban AI discussion here and this site please, thank you.
>NO NO NO STOP STOP STOP YOU CANT GENERATE ART DADDY HIRO PLEASE BAN ALL TALK OF AI ART PLEASE ITS NOT FAIR YOU HAVE TO BUY FROM ME
my GPT says "No."
My dream is ai users to team up with a problematic artist to create kino.
By problematic i mean people who did bad things, but everyone portrayed them as evilet people ever.
Imagine John Bob or Birdie making a movie using AI to make a movie and that movie being succesful.
The seethe generated would be legendary. People would be so heckin traumatized they would commit sudoku.
Imagine John Bob's crimes washed away by history as he is the first person to make a succesful full lenght ai animated film.
I think John Bob is tech savvy enough to do it. Birdie is too much of a drooling moronic and is only 18 or 19 while John is 21 or 22
Indie animation passion projects are the future. AI isnt even doing everything yet and big studios are already dogshit.
If you are skilled, talented and passionate about something, you need to make it yourself with other like minded people instead of hoping to get picked up by some shitty big studio that will butcher your idea.
Even if you cant get anybody to help you, just start making your idea into a comic. Hell, make it a comic and voice it on youtube for frick sakes. Its never been easier for people to get out there and get work, but they still b***h and moan and want unions to prop them up in cushy jobs.
So people have a problem with AI voices, but not with using a CG program to replicate stop-motion? I don't get it. Why does, "You should do it the hard way" only apply to some art fields and not others.
It's the same problem automation poses in every single industry
If everything can be done with minimal human labor but the system we have requires labor to survive you wind up starving people instead of improving quality of life.
If there were a UBI no one would ever complain about automation because it wouldn't post a clear and present threat to their ability to continue breathing.
Isn't UBI commie shit though?
The dark truth nobody on either side wants to face is that automation itself is commie shit.
The frick are you talking about?
Automation outside of the techbro morons that pretend robots can and will do everything for humanity is just a function of pure capitalist cost and time saving measures. and even then, theres still tons of shit that you just can’t reliably automate so the idea that all human labor will somehow magically be automated is moronic.
You can't replace all the jobs that will be automated. You can automate coding, you can automate decision making, you can automate retail, you can automate entry-level doctor jobs, if you can automate art then there's nothing left. It doesn't matter if there are jobs that can't be automated if most of them can't.
if most of them can*
>, you can automate retail,
So, as we recently found out during Covid, no, no you cannot.
Fast Food went hard on this thinking that the tech was there, they didn't need those cheap ass workers anymore now that wages would be going up. Fifteen bucks an hour? We could get a robot for that! That's what they thought, at least. But, as Tesla also found out when they tried their Robo Taxi pitch that was supposed to be running 3 years ago, it turns out the real world really does not play well with automation. Especially automation in environments that contain any little thing that isn't 100 percent accounted for. They looked at factory mass production and assumed we could just do that, but with burgers. But as it turns out, the only reason factory machines like that work as well as they do is because of massive, tightly controlled, work spaces, and if any bozo was allowed within 100 feet of it with a bag of chips they could frick the whole thing up. You wanna know why those 3D printed houses never took off? They fricking clog, all the time, and spend far more time to make a far less stable house. Constant work and monitoring that all goes to shit if there's a soft spot any human could easily catch but the automation just doesn't recognize.
The reason it's absolutely exploding for Art is the same reason why companies went so hard on CGI instead of sets. It's not real. It's pretend. It's an idea on a bunch of pixels that are near infinitely reusable. Who cares if it fricks up the hand? You've lost 0 real world materials that have a real, tangible, cost and space taken up. This is the downside to working in a space that has no weight or meaning and is subjective in how people view it. Someone could look at this picture and go "Wow that's fricking amazing", because to them, it's just a picture. They never cared about the one who made it before.
This is what happens when you live off pretend, the people watching won't care about what's real.
>Fast Food went hard on this thinking that the tech was there
lol are you moronic
fast food automation rollout hasn't even begun
the first automated mcdonalds opened just a few months ago
>This is what happens when you live off pretend
Money is pretend
Thing is a lot of shit can’t be or shouldn’t be automated since you’re going to need actual human beings for maintenance and actually monitoring your moronic robots to make sure theyre not spazzing the frick out.
Youre using magical thinking again assuming this shit CAN be automated in the first place and thus WILL.
I can tell you first off that no “entry-level doctor jobs” will ever be automated because thats just a fricking nightmare as far as ethics and accountability goes.
>I can tell you first off that no “entry-level doctor jobs” will ever be automated because thats just a fricking nightmare as far as ethics and accountability goes.
That and "Entry level doctor jobs" is just a funny sentence in general when you think about it.
>You can automate coding
Debatable. You still need actual humans to check the generated code. Full automation is never going to happen.
>you can automate decision making
The frick do you even MEAN by this?
>you can automate retail
Debatable. I’ve yet to see an effective stocking robot- because theres so much variation in the items to be stocked, which also need to be straightened and placed in a presentable fashion, whilst also having expired stock pulled. Janitors are proven to be more effective than a roomba. Even with self-checkouts, theres a human monitoring for numerous frickups the machines go through and also check people out for liquor.
>you can automate entry-level doctor jobs
Oh my frick you are genuinely fricking moronic if you think this is at all possible or if any ethics board on a hospital would allow this to happen. Lemme guess, you think the microsurgery robots that are in use are automated? PROTIP: Theyre not.
>you can automate art then there's nothing left
What the frick do you even MEAN? The AI art thats worth a shit has been generated by fine tuning these algorithms with prompts and training from human input to actually produce anything even remotely appealing, and the best praise it can muster is “Wow this almost looks like actual art!”
You’re leaving out entire swathes of industries that can’t effectively be automated. Fricks sake I’ve worked with industrial robots. They still need live, human monitors, and still need maintenance techs. 6 robots at the factory only eliminated 4 jobs and its arguable how effective they are when they have malfunctions nearly every week and we’d have to shut the entire line down for overhauls every 3 months.
Look I understand not wanting companies to use ai but how is this any different from an in depended party just reanimating a clip or editing stuff together YTP style.
I think that's fair, could've gotten anyone off twitter or tiktok or some shit to do some voices instead of using the technology that we all know everyone in the industry hates. He also should've done real stop motion.
This has to be the "you didn't beat the game" equivalent for animation. Sure he could have made it real stop motion but the it would take half a decade. this ain`t some big budget movie or a an artsy thing for a movie festival. Is a youtube short.
>Hire an amateur VA to do an impression
>Use that VO data to build an AI model for a character
I thought it was going to be some edgy stuff with Scooby Doo but was actually pretty charming, I liked the Rudolph the red nose reindeer look.
I laughed when I saw the security guard, cuz he's literally the mail guy.
The only people who have to worry about AI replacing them is people who haven't earned their job security in the first place. AI isn't going to make the next apocalypse now or no country for old men or godfather; it WILL provide a steady stream of formulaic capeshit however. If that's all you do, what job security are you supposed to have? You're a hack. You're not an artist in the first place. If you're an actor who can't act but you have a pretty face and stand around in the background, WHAT job security are you supposed to have? AI can't replace the jack nicholsons of the world but what is it about you that ever granted job security to begin with?
AI won't make the next silent hill 2 but it can and will and should pump out the yearly battlefield of duty walking simulator slop. AI won't replace the michael jacksons of the world but if you're some butt rock, simp country, mumble rap artist whose works literally already boil down to safe, mathematically formulated recipes to ensure listener engagement, what job security did you supposedly have before that AI now deprives you of? These glorified autocomplete engines can never replicate the real and only true exclusively human element of art, which is spontaneity and inspiration. ARTISTS shouldn't be worried. Slop producers, watch out. This is the bed you made betting your future on worthless "content".
AI should be separate from non AI, and that should be understandable.
>guy makes an indie animation in tribute to the things he loves
>uses ai
> voice actor of the franchise you are fond of shits on you and tries to publically ruin you
> on top of that, this voice actor seems more than okay with involving Mindy Kaling in shitting on you, an individual partially responsible for the abortion that shat on the beloved franchise
Poor dude, I won't deny that getting cheap VAs is probably a better move, but the whole blacklist thing is going over the line. Targeting the corpos that plan to frick you over is fine, but the dude isn't screwing over anyone with his fan animation. jesus christ.
hire voice actors then, moron
Chill out, is some guy making a movie in blender and posting it on youtube. Next you are going to say fanfic writers need to pay copyright holders for writing a Mickey Mouse slashfic.
Same person
moron
Why is AI such a toxic topic but splicing TF2 voice lines is ok?
Toxic people made the topic toxic.
AI guys didn't show up going "look at this thing I made". From day one it's been "look at how much you homosexuals are seething! look how scared of starvation you are!"
But people are just making funny music video memes.
I hate NFTBros so fricking much
90% of “this AI is going to frick your life and your wife” is grifters using Midjourney or at the very most something ripped from Civit
No custom LoRas, no Controlnet, just apes going ape
That basically sums up my feelings.
If Grey Delisle wanted to be a class act she could have used this as a teachable moment and gotten someone to re-voice the cartoon for him (I understand she couldn't offer to do it herself due to contract reasons).
Instead her first option was to go full scorched earth. She didn't even reach out and talk nicely to him. That's the mark of an out of touch sociopath, that her first thought was not to try and win the guy over and teach him about the "right" way to handle things, but to try and ruin his life instead. She's outed herself as a bully.
go back to twitter dude
This anon speaks the truth. Hollywood nepotist fricks are scared. No more reading a few lines in a booth for millions of dollars, you might have to fricking work like the rest of us for once.
I'm not even against actors getting paid well. The point is that she handled this completely backward. She had a chance to build rapport with the artist and community and instead she called for the guy to get blacklisted. Now no-one is going to feel sympathetic for her if she gets replaced with a program because they'll all remember that time she was a b***h to some kid on Youtube.
tbf GD has always been an butthole.
AI has completely mindbroken the entire entertainment industry. I love it.
Fricking swear, with how vitriolic people have been getting over this animation, you'd think he would have done something like saying Black person instead of just using ai voices for a few characters.
Hoe long until there's some major pushback against anti ai people
So when is AI going to take over 3D modeling and animation so that I can make stop motion animations like these?
4 more year bro
Why didn't the guy just ask his friends to do the voice acting? I don't even have that many friends and I'm pretty sure I know enough people who would be like
>oh wow your stop-motion project looks pretty cool! Sure I'll do a voice for it, why not?
Literally no one would have given a shit, hell the voice acting could be outright poor and people would still be too worked up about the stop-motion thing to really notice. He could have avoided all of this.
Ultimately it's laziness. There's an endless number of random no-name VAs you could ask to sign on this project and they'd be happy to support it for free. Hell, Scooby Doo the series has so many lines that he could've just plucked lines from various episodes and stitched them together, but even stuff like 'jinkies' is AI generated.
It's incredibly ironic to see an animator use a tool to replace voice actors when studios will use that same tool to replace him. It's like people have zero self awareness.
That's all I was trying to get across earlier, but was attacked with nonsensical arguments on why he just HAD to use AI and how its somehow better.
AI has flat delivery and poor direction. The video with the AI voices prove that. Money was never a variable as you and I said, with people willing to do this for free.
You'd get a better performance and avoid the controversy, there's is literally no rational argument that exists to why his approach was better. It's just shitstains who will never do anything worthwhile with their lives and assume there's a nefarious reason why we have this opinion.
I bet they'd get pissed if AI took over shitposting here for them, it reads like AI anyway.
>I bet they'd get pissed if AI took over shitposting here for them, it reads like AI anyway.
I really would love seeing anti Ai posts being done by AI and the AItards couldn't tell the difference between a real person and a AI. After all, that's how they see it with AI in the first place, indistinguishable from humans.
>Hell, Scooby Doo the series has so many lines that he could've just plucked lines from various episodes and stitched them together
Functionally it would be the same thing and would still have the same issues the people mad about AI would have, so why would that be ok?
>Ten minutes of animation for free
>lmao so lazy
/co/mblur is so fricking delusional.
Watch this instead. Note the higher quality, no AI shit and actual animation (not Blender shit faking stop-motion animation).
>Note the higher quality, no AI shit and actual animation
It looks like it was made by a Troon who read too much Dick Tracy without realizing what made it good
>Buzzwords
Take medication.
Let's say that this is better. If it is, does it automatically make the other one bad? That would be like saying the kid that got a 90% on a test is an idiot because another one got 95%.
Okay anon, now watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Y
This video is pure AI slop. How much AI slop does a video need in order for you to call it bad? In my opinion, any AI is bad. It's like a fleck of shit on your sandwich. No one should want to eat a sandwich that's been touched by shit.
This is also slop. Does this make all 2D animation bad? Let me guess, you're going to say some dumb shit like
>NOOO It's ironic that means it being lazy doesn't make it slop
>make completely irrelevant point as a schizophrenic gotcha
Take your meds anon.
Don't care, also not the argument.
>Uses ad hominem when he has no counterpoint
>Also outs himself as the person behind other moronic statements in this thread
>also not the argument
I'm pretty sure it was that armature VA's are a pain in the ass which you seem to have no refutation for.
I gave my refutation. You just don't accept it.
12 oz Mouse is Final Cut Pro not animation
Cool short, wish you just posted it instead of needing to shit on a child or the cool techniques Blender can do, but I know you have to look epic before linking anything actually interesting on here nowadays.
>the state of animation is so poor right now morons call this "high quality"
That was shit.
Frankie Foster isn’t calling for the person who made this to be black listed from the industry
>some anons here really taking the side of some twitter hoe
damn Cinemaphile has fallen I say Cinemaphile has fallen my brothers this is a tragedy the type of blemish that may never fade we are truly cursed todays my brothers
What sucks about this is no project is allowed to stand on its own. I bet this dude just made a fan project and saw it as no big deal to use AI as he's some random online. But all the internet schizos are seeing this as some world changing piece of evidence that the end is nigh for workers rights. No one is allowed to make anything cool anymore and it has to be seen through the lens of politics above all else even if its inapplicable or done disingenuously.
OP
>poor stop-motion animation
>cringe AI voices
The Red Eclipse
>actual hand drawn animation
>tons of soul
>no AI shit anywhere
Cinemaphile needs to get some taste.
Out of curosity, would AI even be this big of a deal if Humans could preform on the same level or even outpreform it. Would we need AI generators if we were the AI? Should I take the transhumanism pill?
>horsefrickers have been both using and are basically on the forefront of AI voices for years now and have been using it in their fanworks
>suddenly it's an issue once any other fanbase does it
Why does MLP get a pass?
I'll say this, compare the reception the clip got on YT vs on Twitter, it seems that the vast majority of the population is perfectly fine with this usage of AI and it's just terminally online puritans who think it's something worth going after as a mob.
Seems to be how it is with my friends group. Those who don't use twitter mostly will just say things like "yeah it's a it of a grey area" and leave it at that, while the ones who do get legitimately mad about it.
Most people don’t actually look into how anything is made, so I don’t take normies being wishy-washy about AI as a resounding victory.
Normies aren't really wishy-washy they most likely don't actually care. It's an anecdote at best as people have other things to care about. Odds are it will be the same for everyone here after a few days and you move onto something else.
True enough. I already don’t care because I don’t like FNAF, and the only reason this particular short is blowing up in controversy is that it’s fanbase of insane manchildren (and children) love to make a big stink about everything.
Multiple comments acknowledged the AI use and said they were fine with this type of usage, I saw maybe 1-2 morons complaining in the replies with barely any attention.
Could a VA use AI as a mask? That seems like the best of both worlds. You can have the dead on accent that AI provides while letting the voice actor actually capture the energy of voice acting instead of sounding flat and robotic.
This kind of high horse rider is not looking for compromise or adaptation. They are looking to maintain their status quo and show those "uneducated masses" who didn't blow money on art schools their place.
AI is inherently fair use
It's transformative of the medium it presents
It's the same as fan art and voice mixing
If people use it for fun, it's ok by law and people need to eat dick
if used by corpos, it's bad though
Pretty much this, you can’t copyright fan works anyways and while I’m not a fan of it, he’s not directly making money off this so it doesn’t fricking matter. Grey DeLise is a c**t.
A majority of people mad about AI are socialists mad they didn't adapt the technology first. All "AI Ethicism" whether it's about this, chatbots or likewise, comes from socialist scumbags wanting to seize the tech away from the proles
I just said I think Grey DeLisle was a c**t, that wasn’t an invite for your schizo rambling.
>AI is inherently fair use
its not
the data used for ai is used by a machine algorithm, not a person making things transformative
the people who's data were used aren't getting compensation for things being created.
also fanworks aren't fair use. any company can come along and DMCA any fanwork. they usually don't because its foul play
>Fan works aren't fair use
T. Lives in Japan where the Yakuza will rip your nuts off for drawing porn of humanized horses
it happens all the time in america too
usually they get ignored because its usually not worth taking people to court over, and its not good for the fans usually
but stuff still gets taken down from time to time
None of that is true. Fan works are fair use and people can legally defend their right to produce fan work in court. But no fan can afford to go toe to toe with a corporation. If a company hasn't DMCA'd a fan work it's because they haven't noticed or because they can send a claim and then drink the fan creator's profit. Companies don't give a shit about foul play.
100% false.
>drawing porn of humanized horses
There's horse anthros in Japan now?
Always have been.
Sauce?
Words Worth
>the people who's data were used aren't getting compensation for things being created.
Because they aren't morally, ethically or legally entitled to be paid for an impression or references.
you do know machines don't have rights
Voice Actors are lazy entitled scum but I wouldn't' call them machines.
ITT: seething Luddites
UNIRONICALLY IF THESE Black folk ARE SO UPSET, BRING THIS SHTIT TO A COURT.
SET A PRECEDENT OF USING PERMISSION AND ROYALTIES OR WHATEVER.
VIDEOGAMES AND FANGAMES ALREADY GO THEOUGH THIS GARBAGE
This guy literally just watched patreon videos from Worthikids and copied everything kek
>but they’d probably laugh at us. So bad idea.
As they should. If this fricking kid ends up doxxed, I’m blaming this shitty ass board and their uncontrollable tard rage.
The guy non Twitter calling for laws to be made against using AI voices is a fricking dickhead.
Its amazing people as dumb as that are able to crawl out of bed in the morning without choking on their tongue.
Won't it be the same laws as copyright? You can use AI voices as long as your not monetizing the project?
You can't copyright a voice, its not a thing.
Its like dance moves. Micheal Jackson tried to copyright Thriller and the Moonwalk and the law told him, rightly, no. Because there is simply a limited number of motions that the human body can do and we can't let someone copyright them.
The idea of copyrighting a voice sound is even more ridiculous and would fly in the face of decades of parody laws and legal precedent.
t. lawyer
What about richer homosexuals like the actors doing the 'ol "we'll sue you and you'll go bankrupt from lawyer fees long before the judge tells us to frick off" routine to bully people into not doing it?
I can't imagine its going to be any different from South Park using celebrities without their permission. The vast majority, but not all, are not going to go down that path because its costly, unpopular and ineffective.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
You get one off mistake rulings all the time in the courts. If Ford had appealed that to the far more consumer friendly Supreme Court they would have won.
I get how vulnerable voice actors are to AI right now but taking it out on an indie animator isn't helping anyone. In the context of a fan project I don't morally see the difference between using AI versus sentence mixing.
aggression towards ai is the only thing that has kept it off places
you think D&D would have been so quick to take out ai art if it wasn't for the backlash?
>aggression towards dogfricking is the only thing that has kept it off places
>you think White women wouldn't bee so quick to rape their chihuahuas if it wasn't for the backlash?
I mean, that's pretty much what it all comes down to isn't it? Aggressive fervour is the only thing anti-ai people can do about the situation and eventually more and more people will get tired of being mad all of the time.
That was the best piece of scooby media I've seen since Zombie Islamnd
Eagan Tilghman is too based for this world. Hope every stick in the mud ai harasser gets their job replaced eventually by the very same AI they meltdown constantly about.
>”I-I used AI for this cause it’s a shitloost project! Don’t take it seriously, hee hee!”
>”A-Actually you guys are the real anti-art people c-cause, you’re overlooking the hard work I put in this project that I literally called a shitpost a minute ago.”
>”I’m a 23 year old kid!”
I thought Cinemaphile didn’t approve of attention prostitutes, this loser isn’t even a literal child like everyone was saying they were.
Cinemaphile doesnt, but we've had a surge of pajeets running from their country and trying to shit in these streets
I am always impressed by how utterly unabashedly racist progressive leftists are when they're anonymous.
I am always impressed by how utterly schizophrenic AIgays are when someone disagrees with them.
No I just think its really funny. Sure there is a slim chance you're some libertarian turbo chud type that thinks AI is coming to steal your right to build a greedy dragon hoard of copyrighted works that you fantasized you were going to keep to profit on like Martin Shkreli.
But 5 to 1 anti-ai posters are far leftwing progressive types that speak about racial justice and tolerance in person. But online under the anonymity of Cinemaphile they get a big kick about of using old /misc/ memes about indians being street shitting subhumans.
>I thought Cinemaphile didn’t approve of attention prostitutes
Yeah we don't, go back. You scum eating va artists with your constant high horse attacks for non monetized passion projects acting like they're PERSONALLY attacking you and your livelihood is just schizo tier madness.
You literally did not know nor give a frick about this animation until you saw this thread on Cinemaphile. frick off with your fakeass moral outrage.
>frick off with your fakeass moral outrage.
...but enough about the "muh ai is killing muh artists" gays crying in this thread right now.
Eat shit, half the pro-AI gays itt don’t give a flying frick about any of this and just want to use it as an excuse to gloat about how chatgpt is going to put hollywood executives out on the street in these imaginary scenarios. All of this is a homosexual twitter drama thread disguised as “discussion” so morons can post their dumb ass “gotchas” at each other.
Ah yes, big bad Voice Actors keeping the working man down
The working man here being am adult artist calling themselves a “23 year old kid” who tries to endear himself to that same cast of people for his own opportunism
Cry me a fricking river, AIshill. DeLisle is a hag, but that doesn’t make the “23 year old kid” right either.
Ah yes, using a four word phrase that was only said in a """apology"""" because of the Ai haters
constantly harassing and trying to blacklist this small artist over nothing in the first place will totally prove your argument. Moron.
Everyone was saying and emphasizing how this person was a literal child, even here
They’re fricking 23.
I don’t care for the AI voices one way or another, but I despise losers who want to claim everything they make is a funny little shitpost not meant to be serious but also it’s their life’s work and how dare you undervalue it in any way or fashion. And I despise the shills jumping to defend him and call him based even as he says he does not agree with AI usage in art in general. Get fricked
>And I despise the shills jumping to defend him and call him based even as he says he does not agree with AI usage in art in general. Get fricked
The point you made there is moot. That earlier post of his was posted after the forced "muh ai" apologies the twittergays (like you) begged him to do. That's based.
Eagan still agrees with the sentiment that genuine effort shouldn't be shunned/discredited if it has a minor ai tool in it. Anything against you pretentious "ai slop" gays the better.
>y-youre a twitter gay if you don’t want to participate in this gay twitter drama defending this hypocritical moron!
I love how you admit you just glossed over my post so you can strawman me. Get fricked and take this dogshit thread back to twitter already.
>...anon says as he also glosses over my entire post
Move it along sloptard.
You linked to my post, then a post that wasn’t mine and then decided to lump me in with it and the other ai people because thats what youre choosing to seethe about right now. I don’t need to address your post because I legitimately do not give a frick about this stupid manchild, his godawful FNAF animation, or your steadfast wienersucking of AI that is only so firmly planted betwixt your lips because you equate it as some form of “gotcha”. Take your stupid fricking twitter drama back to twitter, stop being a fricking pussy and go b***h at delisle and the rest of these c**ts yourself instead of coming here to piss and moan against your bogeyman you fricking moron.
You specifically singled out the "pro-ai" people in the post you are talking about and not about the "anti ai slop" side of things. Don't try to act slick, you're an "ai slop" tard. Move it or LOSE it.
>Continues to miss the entire point of my post because of his hate boner of recognizable ips and style being too large.
Also apparently
>Anything inspired is not true effort
Yeah you're not even trying with this bait at this point.
>Anything inspired is not true effort
The motherfricker insists it wasn’t true effort, that’s why he keeps calling it a shitpost. You’re the one being offended on his fricking behalf.
>The motherfricker insists it wasn’t true effort, that’s why he keeps calling it a shitpost.
He literally confirms this isn't the case in a later post, that's in this very thread, "ai slop"gay.
Yes, congradulations, his moronic flipping back and forth is what makes calling him le based be extremely moronic. Congratulations, anon, you finally got the point, even as you push your dumbass narrative onto me.
Well excuse me, thought that was his latest post, and he stood by the stance (the post of his you replied with was prior to that post). I see that he flip flopped again later.
>y-you don’t want to wienersuck AI to own le wokies REEEEE m-move it
Nah. Take your homosexual drama back to twitter.
>He has a melty over a bit of ai used on a fully animated project
typical "ai slop"gay. Your va buddies on twitter would upvote you for this.
>REEEEE
>REEEEEEEEEEEE
How’re those hands coming along kid?
>Uses the Ai hands meme after that problem has been dealt with and fixed for months at this point
KEK, you're too easy slopgay. Ai is advancing every single day. When you're done simping for Grey "Blacklist Artists" DeLisle, maybe you'll seem a bit less braindead, slop gay.
>Simpering over how he copied a unique animation style and medium combination but just slapped recognizable ips on it as “””parody””” is le based
Is it cause he made it a FNAF thing? I know that fandom gets particularly defensive over their slop, it has to be the only reason to ride hard for this literal who that can’t commit to any position about their art and how people should perceive it.
I gaurantee less than 20 posters ITT have actually watched the short.
>attention prostitutes
He didn't even want the attention, moron. It's the petty twittergays like you that are forcing drama down his throat and forcing public twitter apologies over nothing. It's talented work, plain and simple.
>He didn't even want the attention, moron
Yes he did. He wanted Patreon bucks and to use this “totally a shitpost but not really” for his portfolio. The Twitter controversy is dumb but acting like this dude is /yourguy/ when he very evidently is not is cringe.
>it’s talented work, plain and simple
It’s a fricking FNAF short cribbing on Worthikids’ technique and style. It can’t be both a silly little shitpost but also so important he needs to kowtow and apologize to Grey DeLisle cause she’s gonna totally blacklist him. Pick one, or shut up.
>It’s a fricking FNAF short cribbing on Worthikids’ technique and style.
>Worthikids’ technique and style.
Yeah now I know you don't know what you're even talking about. You're just hating art just to hate sty. Anyone with two braincells can see it's inspired by the old Christmas stop motion animated media.
It’s literally what Worthikids has been doing for years in Blender and has publicized how they did it as well as citing Rankin Bass as their primary influence. https://youtube.com/watch?v=P4EuDkPD5x8&pp=ygUWd29ydGhpa2lkcyByYW5raW4gYmFzcw%3D%3D
It’s not original in the slightest. It’s the same shit other better artists are doing for much longer. I’d have more sympathy if they weren’t kowtowing to DeLisle and told her to frick off so he could keep making his FNAF shit, but he wants to have his cake and eat him too. Frick him.
>AI good because like… FRICK hollywood?!?
>AI bad because like… FRICK non-artists?!?
>AI good because… twitter says its bad, so its good?!?
>AI and robots will take over everything because… the techbros just say they will, ok?!?
Look I know Cinemaphile collectively has the IQ of a small child but its amazing how much of this thread is uninformed nonsense invented on the fly solely to seethe at each other.
Its not invented on the fly its generated by ChatGPT thank you very much. You think AIgays have the brains to come up with their own responses?
The real story here is that a fan made a piece of fan content and did so in a way that one of the official actors had a problem with, but instead of having a dialogue with the fan like an adult, she attacked him and tried to get him blacklisted from the animation industry. Just like an authentic totally not crazy person would!
It doesn't matter if this was about AI or tracing or using copywritten music or anything else. The project was made by a 23 year old who doesn't know what the rest of the world is going to be offended by in 5 minutes. And because he doesn't know "the rules" that means he has to have his dreams of working in the animation crushed by some b***h who wants to kick the ladder down without even giving him a chance. This could have been an opportunity to reach out with a fan and find some common ground, but that would require Grey Delisle to act like an adult and show a little kindness and patience, and apparently she doesn't act unless someone's paying her. What she did was incredibly cruel, and she did it to make herself feel good even though she made the world a worse place.
So you don’t even care about the AI, you’re just here to mald at some washed up b***h’s twitter drama.
I feel sorry for the guy who made the animation because he's doing the kinds of things I was dreaming of when I was his age, and then an industry professional goes and acts extremely unprofessional with him over something that could have been resolved over a series of polite DMs. The guy is a huge Scooby Doo fan, I'm sure he would have been delighted to hear directly from one of the voice actors even if it was to explain why she doesn't think he should have used AI voices. She had a chance to build a bridge with a fan and instead she tried to "make an example out of him."
I know first hand how hard it is to get into the animation industry. I think it's terrible that someone who actually produced something of incredibly high quality is having his dreams being attacked by gatekeepers, just because he used AI instead of real voices. If you want to support voice actors not being replaced by AI, you should be disgusted by Grey Delisle's behavior, because everyone who saw her attack messages are going to be less supportive of her side, but I hold to it that the real victim here is the animator who wasn't even given a chance.
Legacy voice actors are all trashy people who got a cushy job through nepotism and have been bitter about not being as famous as live action stars for decades.
Like, Rob Paulsen is a great guy, but when you hear him talk on his podcast with old buddy voice casters, and how Steven Spielberg were ask for five candidates for a character, so she's send five anonymous recordings of Rob Paulsen because "he's a guy I can trust" it is just textbook nepotism.
Its gonna be a great thing when the old crop of 90s/00s voice actors retire so people who actually care about the projects and have got their by being the best (because VA is now highly desirable) take over
Just like I think animators need to escape the studio system, I think young voice actors need to escape the guilds. There's an entire parallel economy sprouting up right now built around people working in small teams doing things they love no matter how limited their resources are, and small productions are already producing things of higher quality than most of the slop the studios and their guild-affiliated employees are putting out.
>used AI
>to replicate a voice actor
>also a Scott Cawthon autist
this guy lost the twitter fight before it started.
frick that little kid
pay my b***h
>50 hag cosplaying a 16 year old
Very weird.
>kid
The dude is fricking 23. Where the frick are people getting that he's a child? He's a fully grown adult thay knows what he's doing.
I'm pretty sure Elevenlabs has AI voices that are within the confines of the law and above board, I wonder what the reaction would've been had he used those.
why is there so many twitter genderspecials brigading with their moralist anti-AI shit here. the world doesn’t revolve around america and their cucked unions, all this industry talk and blacklisting would only apply to one overly represented sector anyways
I wonder who's gonna cover this story first, Ya Boi Zack, or Clownfish TV?
Go message them if you give a frick.
There’s definitely a middle ground that still allows AI to be a useful tool for the everyman without fricking over voice actors but twitteroids don’t want to have a reasonable discussion, everything has to be a moral crisis pissing match with people being cancelled and threats of lawsuits.