It's interesting that the show made Scott seem less like an butthole since he actually did tell Kim he had to move to Toronto and he actually did fight Simon Lee to save Kim.
Makes it so Kim's hatred for Scott seem less justified
>ends a relationship that would have lasted a year falling apart otherwise >helps supports a person she knew in high school that used to be a billionaire >remains the girlfriend as you help him win back his fortune
Seems like an absolute win for Julie.
It's a completely different character in Julie's skin
Julie wasn't evil, she was abrasive specifically to Scott because she'd had a crush on him for years and he kept chasing her roomates (Envy) and friends (Ramona)
Julie was also shallow and didn’t like Envy until she got famous. Julie clout chases with both Envy and Ramona because she can tell they’re alpha b***hes.
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I'm am so in love with the track that plays during the flashback, it plays so low and subtle in the scene that you can barely hear it. Like Kim repressing her happy memory and feelings of Scott but her recollection made some of it come out.
>Gideon and Julie >Todd breaking down due to Wallace >Wallace being a chad >Lucas being the most extra dude ever >Roxy being sympathetic >Young Neil being the dumbest guy of all time
¿>Matthew kicking ass and taking power after years of being the ex with the least screentime >Knives being happy
Really the only thing I disliked is that Kim and Scott barely do anything.
>Someone actually liked Julie's character assassination
This whole show is like a bad Ao3 job
O'Malley being involved was a guarantee it would suck and oh boy does it
It isn't often that such terrible dialogue gets paired with such awful voice acting
>Knives and Stephen being bros >Julie Powers and Gordon AKA Gideon hooking up >The expansion and humanization on the seven evil exes, Lucas Lee is an absolute bro >The fact that Matthew Patel has always been powerful, he only needed the confidence to win >The soundtrack
>Gideon and Julie >Todd breaking down due to Wallace >Wallace being a chad >Lucas being the most extra dude ever >Roxy being sympathetic >Young Neil being the dumbest guy of all time
¿>Matthew kicking ass and taking power after years of being the ex with the least screentime >Knives being happy
Really the only thing I disliked is that Kim and Scott barely do anything.
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I think its interesting that this is, essentially, Rebuild of Scott Pilgrim. For those who don't get that reference, a Rebuild (the term coming from the Rebuild of Evangelion movies) is essentially something that disguises itself as a reboot or retelling for a modern audience but, after appearing to be a faithful adaptation for its opening act, wildly diverts into a new story that only makes sense if you are already familiar with the source material, essentially being a sequel the entire time.
On its own merits, its fun to see the ex's getting screentime and a chance to actually be characters of their own for a bit, thats worth the price of admission because Ramona and her ex's were always the most interesting parts of the story, not Scott himself. Its gorgeously animated, and between this and edgrerunners I think we are seeing a strong push towards western IPs just bypassing western animation studios entirely and hiring japanese studios to do the work instead. I can't complain about the results.
Not gonna argue with that, but its still a thing. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is a Rebuild story. Same way that the FF7 remake game is a Rebuild.
Its not something that has a lot of examples yet, but it does seem to be growing. I'd be surprised if it caught on in the west, though, since the west kind of treats its IPs as too fluid and interchangable anyway for a Rebuild style story to even make sense, because they can't make a faithful adaptation of stuff in the first place, much less add the extra wrinkle to the formula.
Is this a bot post?
I keep seeing the exact same thing said the same way over and over here and on reddit 24/7.
Always the same hedging with the "twist" followed by empty praise for the animation and some phrase indicating Ramona and the exes were "fleshed out"
Also usually comparisons to Edgerunners and Rebuild, which amuse me every time because both of those shows suck ass
No, honestly I just finished the show like an hour ago and literally this is the first thread for this show I've ever bothered to open up, much less post in.
If this is a response you have been seeing elsewhere a bunch, I guess its just a common reaction? A general agreement on the contents and strengths of the show from people who have seen it? Not everything is a fricking conspiracy, bro.
No, honestly I just finished the show like an hour ago and literally this is the first thread for this show I've ever bothered to open up, much less post in.
If this is a response you have been seeing elsewhere a bunch, I guess its just a common reaction? A general agreement on the contents and strengths of the show from people who have seen it? Not everything is a fricking conspiracy, bro.
In b4 some variation of "that story's been told three times already!"
it has tho. and if this was billed as a sequel/timeline deviation from the jump people would've been just as excited. realistically we're never getting the books animated because o'malley simply doesnt want his income to take a hit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it has!
No, it hasn't. It hasn't even been properly adapted a single time. The movie was a different story that was absurdly compressed. The game has nothing at all do with the story it's just an arcade brawler. You're being a disingenuous little homosexual.
6 months ago
Anonymous
all 3 of those are about scott fighting 7 evil exes anon. yes, the books are the most in-depth. but the broad strokes and end point is the same across all 3 mediums. i’m glad we didnt copy and paste the comic panels but with sakuga. get over it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>all 3 of those are about scott fighting 7 evil exes
stopped reading here
if you're going to make a show of being as disingenuous as possible you can at least try to make it seem genuine
0/10 try harder
6 months ago
Anonymous
yeah bud i already know you don't like reading if you're begging for the books to be animated this bad
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The most accurate Scott Pilgrim animation was the Adult Swim Pilot.
Damn
Since Scott Pilgrim likes to reference video games, the easiest way to describe Takes Off is "Scott Pilgrim NG+"
We had the comic and the movie as the main base story of the game to its end, and Takes Off is the NG+ to flesh out some more side stories and make sure everything is neatly tied together,
mainly the exes getting fleshed out
time to wordfilter "fleshed out" to get these bots off my screen
>Always the same hedging with the "twist" followed by empty praise for the animation and some phrase indicating Ramona and the exes were "fleshed out"
I tend to not believe conspiracy theories but I'm starting to.
>edgerunners sucked ass
The frick are you taking about? Edgerunners was good/ >rebuild
Yeah i'll give you that one, the ending was fricking awful and pretty much everything after they diverged was wank.
>Ramona and her ex's were always the most interesting parts of the story, not Scott himself. Its gorgeously animated,
This is literally fricking wrong. They're only relevant as aspects of Scott Pilgrim's life.
The actual relevant anime comparison here is the garbage FLCL sequels, they also miss the point of the original and think the secondary characters have any purpose beyond their relevance to the original central protagonist (spoilers: they don't).
My favourite meme is people praising subversive shit that "fleshes out le underutilised characters!!!!!" when it's not doing that at all, it's just fabricating entirely new personalities and stapling that onto pre-existing designs.
>The actual relevant anime comparison here is the garbage FLCL sequels
it's actually not, the whole point of those was to not follow what came before as the one piece of advice given by the original series director was to get new blood, whereas this is so finely tuned you have to be an experienced Scott Pilgrim fan to get the most out of it. You're a moron who has no clue is what I'm getting at here.
>it's actually not, the whole point of those was to not follow what came before as the one piece of advice given by the original series director was to get new blood
Which is why they sucked, and the director was tragically wrong
>the fights! the animation! >check out scenes on YouTube because curiously no one is posting webm's >Animating on 3's, nearly everything is always static, lip flaps not synced at all
Jesus Christ you kids have no standards
I mean I knew you were easily pleased when people praised fricking Edgerunners as a return to form for Trigger but this is just sad
95% of anime are pure shit you have to actually willingly try to create something that is worse this shit. The fact that Edgerunners has an actual end alone already makes it better than most others.
It kind of gave me Kill la Kill vibes, in a good way. I binged all 8 episodes today and really liked it. Even Older Scott is really hot when he isn't drawn ugly and isn't voiced by Will Forte.
>Omalley said the Anime and Comic exist in their own timelines so Future Scott ain't Comic Scott
Thank god, on the other hand this confirms the Scott Multiverse
Was wondering who the other characters were (aside from the black restaurant manager) and apparently they're Wallace's alcoholic friends, not sure if they're in any other scenes/pages than the one or two in V4
I would coom mentally for a fanfic or an art where Scott finally stands up to wallace over all his drunken shenanigans and b***hyness.
Man's got a point though. Only a pussy would be avoidant of conflict from breaking up with a girl 6 years younger than him.
Still, you'd know how weak Scott is mentally on these things. You build your boy up with encouragement and strength, not tear him down with others for a quick joke. True friends don't do that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Well true friends also don't leech of their other friends without anything in return. Scott is LUCKY all Wallace does is being b***hy to him.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You build your boy up with encouragement and strength
Did you read the comics? You don't build Scott up that way. You build him up by slapping him with cold hard truth. That's the shit Wallace used to actually get Scott to break up with Knives, and what Kim used to get him to come to terms with everything that Nega Scott is about. Giving him encouragement and strength just feeds into his rose colored delusions where he thinks he's hot shit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>That's the shit Wallace used to actually get Scott to break up with Knives
You mean an ultimatum
I understand while Lisa would get absolutely no screen time for this one, she's really only present as a temptation for Scott, and if he's not around, then she's basically a non-entity.
>Serves as a sequel to both the movie and the comics >game too I guess >does an "alternate" timeline so you still get the early 2000s feel >Also removes scott from most of it to give other characters time to shine >good animation >Circles back to Scott and Romana's story while also acting as a sequel to future events >In this version, every lives and is being the best version of themselves while getting great character interactions
I think the show was great. Should it have been a straight adaption? Maybe, but what we got I think is a lot better for fans wanting "new" content. We already have 2 straight adaptions with the game and movie.
Since Scott Pilgrim likes to reference video games, the easiest way to describe Takes Off is "Scott Pilgrim NG+"
We had the comic and the movie as the main base story of the game to its end, and Takes Off is the NG+ to flesh out some more side stories and make sure everything is neatly tied together,
I'm tempted to say "it's not fanfiction!" because it was written by the creator but he's such a fricking terrible writer that it does come off as an AO3 fic.
All the characters are uber-flanderized, like it was written by someone half-remembering the movie.
oh man, hearing pat and woolie talk about the FFVIIR plot and how it plays with stuff was so great, I don't play those kinds of games but that plot idea is so interesting
I wasn't sold at all on FF7R's plot until I was told how it related to FF7's fans as a meta commentary. Now it makes sense and I hope they can pull it off. Starting is easy, pulling through is much, much harder.
Me too. I especially love seeing old characters from series I watched ages ago getting older like me. I know people usually hate this, but I consider it interesting to see another side of a character be it because they are older now or be it because they are put into an alternative timeline where they adapt to the new set of rules.
The answer is yes and the discussion pretty much stops there.
I don't know how your tolerance for remakes and subversive isn't at rock bottom, don't you get tired of everything being subversive and "modern"?
We never got the actual animated adaptation of Scott Pilgrim and we still don't have it. That's so fricking lame.
>Also removes scott from most of it to give other characters time to shine
This isn't even true though. The majority of the side characters are pushed to the background even more.
It's just Sex bob-omb though, and even then that's not entirely true because Stephen and Knives doing music thing is in almost every episode, and the movie shit was outright portraying itself as a documentary interviewing Young Neil.
We don't even get a fraction of their screentime and development from the comic. The movie plot was a huge waste of time. Saying they get more time to shine is bullshit. That whole Stephen and Knives shit is always in the background. This isn't counting all the other side characters who got gimped. Not even all the Exes get focus. They don't even try with the Twins.
>The twins have the entire future sub plot.
They are gone for most of it. >Because they're ulitmately adults who just fricked a freshman girl and are very smart.
Wow, how "fleshed out". Totally took advantage of the premise there.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The twins have the entire future sub plot. Because they're ulitmately adults who just fricked a freshman girl and are very smart.
Reminder that anyone claiming the exes and Ramona were "fleshed out" is a bot
The only character that actually got expanded a tiny bit were Lucas and Roxy. It's almost funny how many people are parroting this shit
6 months ago
Anonymous
Mathew and Gideon got expanded too, what do you mean?
Even Todd in a way, he's still a cheater but this time he actually fell in love, and even broke up with Envy himself instead of her finding out
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not true at all. Gideon, Matthew, Julie and most importantly, Ramona, also get a lot more development.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No, they got a smidgen of screen time. There's a difference.
Is that what this is? You kids don't know the difference between characterization, depth, and screentime?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Ramona, also get a lot more development. >take away the majority of her flaws from the beginning unearned >DEVELOPMENT
>anime is it's own timeline/thing
this. Hate when losers around here claim a reboot/spinoff is a sequel because a character has hindsight of future/alternative/previous media events.
The thing people don’t understand about transitioning into television media is that you need to present your original, golden work FIRST, THEN present the “what-if’s”. Nobody’s going to research your shit that much off of your EXPERIMENTAL product. Go with what works, then rape your audience.
It's blonde. There's a shot where she washes the dye out every time she changes colours. Other anon, from that other thread, where I asked that exact question, and you predicted blonde. You're a fricking cool guy
the God Only Knows cover being used during the epilogue, Boogie Nights is one of my favorite films and I don't know if that was supposed to be a direct reference to that but it sure felt like it with the whole "all these miserable awful people got a fulfilling happy ending after all" montage vibe
assuming you're a fellow Cinemaphile tourist, this is what western cartoon writing is
i found scott pilgrim takes off to be relatively tolerable, even funny a lot of the time, minus one scene, so if you didn't like this show's writing, then boy i hope you don't watch anything american for a little while
assuming you're a fellow Cinemaphile tourist, this is what western cartoon writing is
i found scott pilgrim takes off to be relatively tolerable, even funny a lot of the time, minus one scene, so if you didn't like this show's writing, then boy i hope you don't watch anything american for a little while
this is no better than the garbage the zipperheads shit out
She was always like this. She had more screentime in the books though, so she got a few more light-hearted scenes later, but usually she was as gloomy as in the cartoon.
Remember that one of the characters knew she was lying when she claimed that she had killed her former housemate because she said she was "smiling" after murdering her.
The last two episodes were fricking cool in my opinion. Movie set episode was lame, everything else good but not as good as the last two and the first episode. In the end I enjoyed it more than I thought. The voice acting was fantastic, I pity every moron that watched this with English dubs. Anyway, Even Older Scott is the best boy. "Old man fighting MC with fists" will always be my favorite type of ending. Kirei vs Shirou Emiya, Lord Genome vs Simon, you name it.
Speaking of it, if I didn't know it was Science SARU I would have thought it was Trigger animating this. Action, style, action etc. even the jokes felt like Trigger. Makes me hyped for PSG s2.
>The voice acting was fantastic, I pity every moron that watched this with English dubs.
No one's put the Japanese audio in a torrent yet and I don't pay for things.
How much of it is because it's actually good voice acting and how much of it is because you don't understand the language?
Like, on a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the voice acting in this video?
I understand most of the Japanese dialogues and I perfectly understand Italian and German and 100% of all German dubs are garbage and 100% of all Italian dubs are at least good, sometimes excellent. Some languages and VAs just suck. Not always the case even, I consider a lot of cartoon VAs good. Just not this one (and not Castlevania).
I can't believe the cartoon made me like Julie. I hated her in the books.
Also, I am glad they got rid of Lisa besides that one easteregg. Her subarc was the only genuinely pointless part of the series IMO.
>the one character that could have turned Scott off the path of correcting himself so he could be a shitty person again to his current love interest, as well as Lisa in the future, along with any other gfs because he would never learn he is the problem.
I only ever met one person (a woman from my university) that was also reading them, but I am not from an anglo country. Pretty sure it was somewhat popular here as well though, it's probably just my fault for not knowing many people.
>complete loser
Anon, by the time he is 23, he's had four girlfriends, including >the brooding girl in high school who already had a boyfriend >popular girl who went on to become basically the in universe Taylor Swift >a hot Chinese high schooler >a girl who has had 7 boyfriends, one being a movie star, three being rock stars, and one being one of the richest people in the world
The point isn't that he's a loser. It's that he's a c**t.
I have a skewed view because >Toronto
but it was genuinely everywhere when I was in highschool. If a girl was even slightly into nerd culture, anime, comics, art, tumblr, alt/emo, etc. she likely read Scott Pilgrim. It was all over parts of the internet back when books 5 & 6 were coming out.
For me personally, the story was definitely 'formative', in the same way Harry Potter was to a generation of readers just slightly older than me. Hell, I remember being asked by a bunch of my friends to come out for the midnight release of book 6, and got a signed copy by Bryan Lee O'Malley. It was all quite a big deal to us at the time.
All those chicks I went with were fricking crazy, though.
to be fair the minion was in older scott's memories, so that one actually made some kind of chronological sense, clearly that memory was from after a certain year. young scott pulling out a detective pikachu reference absolutely doesn't make sense though.
Funny enough I still don't know anything about those minions besides that they are from some pixar movie or something and that they were obviously popular even though I never noticed it. That scene should have shown Optimus Prime, giant robots are at least cool
i find it weird as frick that this was written by Westerns but directed by Japanese people, some of the "anime-isms"/gags seem to just work better in nippon (the slang is less cringe at the very least).
I only watched this in Japanese and yeah. I mean since I didn't touch the english dub I don't know how good or bad it is but such series almost always work better in JP and I am a fan of the Japanese VA of Ramona so easy choice.
wait, are people serious? The original cast returning was phenomenal, and they had fricking weird al and will forte on as guest appearances. Plus the hot fuzz guys play the two security guards.
Dunno I don't know any of these people and when I listened to the dub for a bit I just didn't like it as much as the JP voices of the MCs. Not even sure who you mean with original cast. Did it every had any other adaption besides the movie?
No, it's the movie cast. Michael Cera and such. Are you trolling about that? That seemed like a pretty front and center part of the advertising for the show
No I genuinely don't know them. And I watched the movie more than a decade ago, no way I remember voices that I have heard once after 12 years or something.
Also like I said I like some of the Japanese VAs in this series quite a lot, so I see no point in watching this in English. As the other anon has said cool lines and phrases usually sound worse in English anyway.
6 months ago
Anonymous
chris evans is lucas lee, it's all pretty great performances.
I'll be honest, i love Pegg and Frost but it feels like they really weren't given A material to work with here, Edward Wrong did get a slight chuckle out of me
fair enough, though stupid shit like getting the Hot Fuzz guys to play security on a movie backlot where they are shooting an in-universe version of Scott Pilgrim directed by a parody of Edgar Wright is a deepcut that can only be done in English and I'm glad they did it.
disregarding the abortion that was the new show.
im really curious on a certain subject.
was there ever any main character of a story that's as hated as scott?
only thing that comes to mind is finn from adventure time but even he atleast was sorta popular in the early seasons.
it's pretty funny how no fan of the comics and other adaptations like him. they either hate him or feel nothing about him.
saying it's an abortion isn't going to magically make people agree with you, you have to actually have reasons and you don't, the new show was really good.
MCs are almost always the weakest part of the series since they are almost always written as the audience's surrogate and audiences usually consist of a lot of really boring people. Even Older Scott is a billion times better than Scott because he's the antagonist and therefore allowed to be radical.
true.
usually a strong mc is able to stand out shine even among the rest of the cast.
i think ed/edd and eddy that are a boon on the show and everyone loves them
Yeah I hate the surrogate and relatability meme. I am not sure if it even works or if it's just what boomer CEOs believe, because some advisor from the 70s once claimed it was the case. The cartoon with the most positive feedback on Cinemaphile that I have noticed during the last 5 years was Primal s1 and the MC is the polar opposite of the typical modern cartoon fan.
I never got the hate for Scott. Hes flawed, but thats the point, he starts the series out as immature and selfish, and when it ends he's learned how to be caring and supportive person towards the people he loves, and he's getting his life on track while in a loving relationship with the literal girl of his dreams, fairytale ending kinda stuff. Theres this obscure concept in writing called a "character arc" thats what Scott went thtough.
Im convinced anyone who hates Scott is an autsitic capeshitter who hates any and all change or growth in a character.
>I never got the hate for Scott
Same, all of a sudden I'm hearing that people never liked him, he was the least compelling person in his own comic. Like what's going on
The people that latched onto O'Malley's ass like lampreys are a specific type of scene gay. Most people moved on but the "die hard" fans hate Scott Pilgrim and have spent a decade telling BLOM that Scott's problematic and the worst part of the books and blah blah blah we need more gay kissing
>the only people who still made content/art were people who loved Scott and shipped him with Remona and/or Wallace
This is a lie.
It's always only been Knives.
Everyone loves Wallace but no one draws him.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Where do you look for fanart dude? Back on X and Tumblr it was all Scollace and the girls
If you are talking sorely porn, then yeah Wallace isn't draw him.
Well, "wasn't" drawn much. Based on how things are going, that's going to change thanks to Todd
5 months ago
Anonymous
Wallace is already living his best life, ain't no reason to fantasize him getting with any of the rest of Scott's loser friends that's just a step down for him.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Unpopular opinion I guess but Wallace's official boyfriend Mobile sucks.
His design is boring as hell, he doesn't even have a personality cause we don't see him at all.
I would have much preferred Wallace to end up with literally anyone else
5 months ago
Anonymous
Where do you look for fanart dude? Back on X and Tumblr it was all Scollace and the girls
If you are talking sorely porn, then yeah Wallace isn't draw him.
Well, "wasn't" drawn much. Based on how things are going, that's going to change thanks to Todd
>thanks to Todd
oh wait, disregard.
I shuck cox.
As you were...
>I never got the hate for Scott
Same, all of a sudden I'm hearing that people never liked him, he was the least compelling person in his own comic. Like what's going on
Hate for Scott is reserved for the bunch of manga and movie fans that screech #Scott Pilgrim Did Nothing Wrong!
We're here because of them.
Scott himself is no bigger an butthole than anyone else in Toronto.
Yeah, Scott is the literal a fundamental flawed character, but also representational of a lot of 20 somethings bs. I swear I think if you are still a Scott or haven't started the process of changing you hate Scott. I feel so many people suddenly just hate the type of guy Scott is as he isn't one note. He's got a lot of problems and flaws and they aren't really the cool type like being a unapologetic creep on knives(like in a lot of agegap shows girls love) He's not a overwhelming badass or hopeful guy like in shounen or superhero stuff, He's not cunning or super cool. Scott's literally just a guy that's pretty good at fighting that is a realistic depiction of a guy we all know or that we may have been at some point. Being on the younger side of Cinemaphile myself I know a Scott right now and he funny enough hated Scott the whole show and comic kek.
The best thing was that they got rid of Scott for most of the show. One of my least favorite characters.
The movie was great for it's time but a lot of it such feels outdated and toxic by todays standards and all of that was addressed and resolved in the show.
>The best thing was that they got rid of Scott for most of the show. One of my least favorite characters
That's crazy. Getting rid of your MC so that others can be propped up. Where's the balance
I've never consumed a single piece of SP media in my life other than the movie, which I loved when I was a late-teenager still. Despite Scott being a believably bad & boring person, he was the awkward gel that made every secondary character stick the landing.
So in the new show, the secondary characters stick the landing without Scott? That's good to hear, I might give it a watch this week, hopefully I won't need too much context from the comics. I tried going through the comics once but something about it didn't click with me. Couldn't tell you what it was though, it's been so long.
most morons here that try to defend the show with their dying breathforget to realize that most people won't bother with this show since it basically requires you to atleast watch the movie or the comic before starting it.
Yes and? People that cannot read are morons anyway, they don't deserve to have fun. It's six fricking volumes, they can read the whole series in a day if they aren't moronic.
i was never really interested in scott pilgrim.
even back in the early 2010s it reeked of "lmao unironic weeb GAMEERRR" energy.
and seeing a plot summary of the netflix show i guess my guts were correct.
>even back in the early 2010s it reeked of "lmao unironic weeb GAMEERRR" energy.
That's literally the whole setting. >People disappear and drop coins when they die >1UPs exist >All the bands are either directly named after videogames or items in videogames >Gear proficiencies >Equipment stats
SP single handedly caused an entire generation of co-called writers and storytellers to stop referring to video games in their work as *Donkey Kong death noise*
Chud here. The wealth of organic and genuine threads and posts about this show have won me over. I’m going to watch it and urge my fellow bigots and family to do the same.
It boggles the mind that Cinemaphile, the board that should be hip to the concept of multiverses, elseworlds, alternate dimensions, and what ifs, had several threads of anons debating whether Older Scott is from the comics or movies.
I was just thinking how weird it was that Stephen realizing he was gay happened in the comic but as far as I know isn't referenced at all in anything after (movie, game, show). Usually these things go the other way around.
>Wallace "steals" Todd away from Envy >we didn't get a line akin to "That's for breaking Scott's heart, b***h" from him >doesn't really care about Scott at all
They just did him and a bunch of others so dirty in this show, it's like BLoM somehow doesn't know his own fricking characters
Funny enough Bryan mentioned this criticism of "Wallace hates Scott" in instagram. Something about how "pay attention to Wallace's actions and not his words, and you ill see he doesn't hate him" or something was his excuse
>is totally cool with the attention prostitute bawd he hates with a passion that ruined his bud's life crashing said bud's funeral and attention whoring it up
truly le actions speak louder than le words, bravo Brian
No, this isn't cannon and in two or three years everyone will forget it ever existed
It will be a remember when Netflix made an awful anime based on Scott pilgrim?
And in 6 or 7 years people will legit forget it was a thing and it will pop up in YouTube videos like Scott pilgrim retrospective kind of stuff
I have been around the block a few times so I know how this stuff works
It's Canon. To the anime.
Like how the twins just being DJs and not having any robots is canon to the movie.
And how Ramona being a delivery girl for Amazon is canon to the comics.
For being on Cinemaphile you sure are struggling with the concept of multimedia/alternate universes, so here's a refresher that hopefully dumbs it down enough for you.
Adam West's Batman isn't Kevin Conroy's Batman nor is it Christian Bale's Batman.
They do things differently, have different personalities, and a differing supporting cast roster size.
But they are all still Batman.
Animation-wise, it's done very well. However, making Romana the main protagonist completely ruins it. The name of the show is SCOTT PILGRIM Takes Off. In other words, Scott Pilgrim should be the main character, not some fricking female supporting character.
Netflix doesn't know how to respect the source material & they do intentionally for woke points for higher ESG rating so that ~~*Blackrock*~~ doesn't tax them into obvilion. Every animator or cartoonists in the industry should look for other companies that don't butcher the source material, preferable male-run animation companies because less women in charge = better content for the viewer. If you're indepenedent, don't do business with the gayMAN globohomosexual companies. They will find ways of ruining your creation if they can.
Precisely why I'm advocating blacklisting all gayMAN globohomosexual animation companies. They're all woke trash run by women & blacks who shouldn't be there in the first place. The creator should have negotiated with Japanese studio & bypass the Netflix middle-man entirely. Any company that tell you change things in your canon doesn't have your best interest in mind.
I feel like if this was released when I finished consuming everything Scott pilgrim related like the comics, game and movie I would've love it because is just ''more'' Scott Pilgrim, but now years after I discovered the comics for the first time I just wanted to experience it all over again in a new format
I still had fun watching but it just wasn't the same vibe
General vibe is everyone wanted an animated version of the original and nobody is happy with what we got expect for shills and hardcore ramonagays
I wanted to watch the fight scenes animated now I'm never going to because ideologs took that away
I'm happy with it and I don't give a shit about Ramona. In fact back when the comics ended I had hoped BLOM would have done a spinoff focused on Knives and her family.
Why you salty frickers gotta keep lying and say shit like "durr only shills and Ramonagays liked it"?
There is less knives in the anime than there was in the comic
Hell knives entire development happens off screen and she is magically good at music
They removed the knives fight against Ramona which was the peak of knives story >Why do you claim nobody likes it?
Because nobody likes it, everyone is complaining except for some shills working on overdrive to defend it
I watched it when it released which was 3 days ago, I spent an hour talking about it here and then I fricked off until now and it's the same shit going on, you are acting exactly like korragays did and every other shill, eventually you will get tired of acting like a shill and the other shills will too and conversation will die down and that will be the evidence that nobody liked it because engagement was completely based on one group fighting the other, the original comic was good enough to still have an odd thread here 15 years later, do you seriously believe there will be threads about the anime in 15 years?
>There is less knives in the anime than there was in the comic
She's literally in every episode. Even ones whee she really shouldn't be like the episode that takes place entirely at the movie set. She was there watching the filming the whole day and was there to walk up to Patel setting up their pitch for a musical when he goes and fires everyone. >Hell knives entire development happens off screen and she is magically good at music
It's part of her Asian upbringing, something only mentioned in passing in volume 1 of the comics with her saying that she both "doesn't listen to music much" yet also "knowing a lot of kids who play piano".
Fangirld at Sex Bob-omb
Fainted at their performance and missed Scott "dying"
Revealed that Sex Bob-omb was just her favorite fake band, and Clash of Demonhead is her favorite real band
Showed off how fast she learned bass
Carried on mourning Scott by holding onto and wearing his X-men patch Jacket
Showed that her speed at picking up instruments isn't a fluke by also being good at the piano
Co-wrote a musical adaptation of the movie script with Stephen Stills
Played to Matthew Patel's vanity in order to get the capital to get the musical made
Was first among the rest of the cast to back up Scott and Ramona against Even Older Scott
Keeping a tradition from the comics and movies, gets the highlights punched out of her
Shows greater maturity than her comic book version by both moving on from being cheated on by Scott (at record pace compared to the comics) as well as not holding a violent grudge against Ramona.
Has enough talent that her addition to Sex Bob-omb was commented on as improving their music
Is the only bandmate Stephen takes along to Envy's recording session
There's 13 for ya.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why did she even have the hilights? She only gets them to seem more like Ramona after Scott dumps her, which didn't happen this time.
That moment was just them looking at the camera and going "member scott pilgrim?"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Who knows. Probably saw it in the musical script and decided to copy it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
oh frick off schizo.
6 months ago
Anonymous
do you get off on being a pedantic homosexual? gonna cry about the stage marquee also having them despite it likely being in the script that she wrote?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Band stuff counts as one thing and musical stuff also counts as one so that's 5 things top
6 months ago
Anonymous
>literally going "nuh uh those don't count!"
I accept your concession.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Brushing your teeth is also technically 6 different actions
6 months ago
Anonymous
If you want to play that game, then the Scott stuff also counts as one thing, so she basically only did one thing during the whole comic/movie run
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Dating Scott (1) thing >Fighting Ramona (1) thing >Making out with Kim (1) thing >Rejecting Scott (1) thing >Bringing up Scott cheated (1) thing
She didn't do much but at least that's 4 memorable moments and that's all she really needed, she is even more of an aftethought in the anime, the story would be the same is she didn't even show up
6 months ago
Anonymous
>hopelessly neurotic Stephen Stills would have been able to convince Matthew Patel to make a musical when the anime has him unable to make songs without Knives' collaboration
Nah, this isn't Raiders of the Lost Ark.
6 months ago
Anonymous
A musical that only serves the purpose of getting everyone together in the same room, a musical we didn't even get to watch for an ending that sucked and we're the supporting cast did nothing
6 months ago
Anonymous
>A musical that only serves the purpose of getting everyone together in the same room
That's not it. The musical wasn't for anyone other than Scott because it's Older Ramona's message in a bottle. All the exes and supporting cast did not need to be there. Just him. That was outright explained in the story I don't know how you missed that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Just cause you didn't like that plot doesn't mean you can act like it didn't happen
>The exes being fleshed out, especially Gideon >Nods to the movie >Smooth animation >Themes of forigveness instead of DUDE LMAO
Other than the ending being kind of moronic, it was pretty good.
Honestly, the soundtrack, the animation, and the Toronto setting (it was cool seeing places around my town in an anime) are the only things I can say that I liked without a doubt.
I wish it was just a faithful adaptation at least. They could've just made that, then did what Stein's Gate did with this alternate universe.
A lot of the dialogue came off as cringy to me. A lot of the story was pretty bad. Every guy in the show is shown to be an emotional, effeminate blockhead. Every girl in the show has very few (if any) flaws and couldn't really do anything wrong).
Scott has no actual character development other than "Guess I won't date this 17 year old because that's not acceptable in today's society lol" even though there was nothing about him going to the future that changed his mind about that.
In the original, everybody was a fricking dick, but at least it seemed realistic and showed that all the characters had flaws, and most of the characters overcome those flaws. I don't know how they managed to make a show where over 50% of the cast is gay even more gay.
it's good, but needed the full 12-episode seasonal treatment if not for at least more characters/fights, Matthew should have been more antagonistic even if they were going to be upstaged.. dude just fades into the background for most of the show.
Sad part is that this would've worked perfectly as a season 2 after a perfect adaptation of the comic, but now if they give us that it will just look like a ''Fine you cry babies here's you faithful adaptation''
>I didn't get what I wanted
yeah, life kinda sucks like that doesn't it? it's the whole reason people like
>Ramona and her ex's were always the most interesting parts of the story, not Scott himself. Its gorgeously animated,
This is literally fricking wrong. They're only relevant as aspects of Scott Pilgrim's life.
The actual relevant anime comparison here is the garbage FLCL sequels, they also miss the point of the original and think the secondary characters have any purpose beyond their relevance to the original central protagonist (spoilers: they don't).
My favourite meme is people praising subversive shit that "fleshes out le underutilised characters!!!!!" when it's not doing that at all, it's just fabricating entirely new personalities and stapling that onto pre-existing designs.
i definitely enjoyed the show, but most fans I've heard from have wanted an animated adaptation of the comics for years. They advertised this show as the adaptation we've all been waiting for, and gave us something completely different. I still hope for an animated adaptation of the original story, though the odds are we won't ever see it.
>They advertised this show as the adaptation we've all been waiting for
I think the first thing Brian said is "It's not a straight adaptation of the comics, don't go expecting that."
6 months ago
Anonymous
Pay him no mind. He just watched youtube trailers and turned his brain off at scenes that were never in the comics and decided it's an adaptation, even though the trailer itself featured scenes that weren't in the comics and the description of the trailer does an "it's not the same thing" hook.
6 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, he said that but not all the trailers and whatnot, you cant expect everyone to looking into interviews for every single thing that is announced. every single trailer shows Scott doing the heavy lifting here, same thing happened during master of the universe.
Is this a bot post?
I keep seeing the exact same thing said the same way over and over here and on reddit 24/7.
Always the same hedging with the "twist" followed by empty praise for the animation and some phrase indicating Ramona and the exes were "fleshed out"
Also usually comparisons to Edgerunners and Rebuild, which amuse me every time because both of those shows suck ass
it probably is. some say we are getting threads made entirely by bots.
It wouldn't work as a season 2 because of the respawn. Why would anyone presume Scott is dead when he gets killed by an evil ex that he killed in the last season?
Literally just end the show with a ''continue countdown'' like the movie, Season 2 starts with a character select and now this time you the viewer picks Ramona done
The good >the visuals >Scott and Ramona have the best chemistry they've ever had >leaning harder into the vidya logic of the setting
The bad >many characters were made worse (Wallace, Todd, Neil) or made to basically not be characters anymore (Knives, Envy, the twins) >pacing issues- brushing past Scott's "cheating", characters' roles being reduced, characters written out or consumed by others >absolute dogs hit voice acting seriously how did they frick up this bad >the "humor"
At the end I kind of felt like this attempt to expand on the SP world didn't do so in any meaningful way. Despite Ramona being the protagonist, it doesn't really expand on her, we of course aren't exploring Scott's past this time around.
It only really showed us more of the Exes, and depended on the viewer having prior knowledge for everything else.
And I don't know if SP humor hasn't aged well, but the humor in this felt more like it was "inspired by SP". It felt like Star vs the Forces of Evil at a certain point.
Which they both do in the comic and the movie in more satisfying ways
What was the point of this massive dynamic shift if all it did was leave the characters in pretty much the same situation
Frick it's a stretch if not a lie to say Scott developed.
This Shows Scott >didn't confront his baggage with Envy >barely confronted his cheating with Knives >didn't face his faulty memory of getting with Kim (although it seems like that's been totally retconned)
If you didn't read the comic or watch the movie Scott comes of a loser whose dating a high schooler just for kicks
No, he was dating Knives as an impulsive way to deal with his breakup with Envy which fricked him up
Not an excuse, but an explanation that suggests that the choice to date knives is out of character for him and not made carelessly or with malicious intent.
Scott isn't the mind of guy who trolls for young booty, he's just at a very low point in life when the story starts. The show brushes past this context.
NTA, but I forgot about the Envy breakup. Been awhile. Honestly that makes it even worse with people dogging on him. It doesn't justify it, but it isn't like that is his 'normal' as it were. Just dude is so low he isn't acting right.
Doesn't that seem kinda cheap though. She acknowledged her wrongs said sorry and that's it. saying a bunch of words isn't the hard part of showing the acceptance of responsibility its the actions beyond the acknowledgement that show responsibility is being taken which she didn't do much of.
so can anyone explain why scott dating knives is a bad thing?
cause the very same people that call it grooming and pedo will fangirl over the kim kissing scene (the age gap is still the same)
It’s because he’s stringing her along for attention rather than actually dating her and treating her like a prop because he just wants that innocence back that Envy stole from him
He's stringing along a dumb girl with a case of puppylove and potentially damaging her mental health and self-esteem, and then he cheats on her with Ramona.
Also the life experience of a high schooler living with their parents to someone who's finished college and has their own apartment(they mooch off of) is huge.
He's not dating her cause he likes her, he's dating her cause it's easy and didn't involve much work to get with her. He just rode the bus with her and let her talk about school.
He drops her instantly for a girl that he dreams about and turns out to be real because his dream is actually a subspace highway.
In the comics, it was the age gap more than anything else. After Scott, Knives dated Young Neil (who was 20) and he didn't get any flak for it unlike Scott.
The whole "she's underage" was never a thing that was a problem but they made it seem like it was in the last volume.
Dating someone who's young for the sake of manipulating them easier is bad though, and that's what scott was doing. Nothing wrong with an age gap if it's legal, but there is morally if you're doing it for the sake of tricking an oblivious younger person.
Scott wasn't using Knives. At least not in any way that he was manipulating her. She was the placebo he was using to convince himself that he's done moping about Envy.
Stephen gave zero fricks about the gap, even commenting that maybe he should get himself a high school girlfriend too. Kim was upset because of course, and tried to attack him with the age difference. When that didn't work she came back again trying to accuse Scott of being a user and just using Knives.
Brian thinks Lesbians and Bi chicks are mysterious and perfect and above the moral fiber of society
He's basically Dobson but with a modicum of talent for writing
Yes but also just an in-setting joke where everyone in the future was called "Older X" and just rolled with it instead of telling Scott they're just gonna call him young Scott as then that'd be the only change that needed doing.
>Did they really cut that out because they thought "Old Young Neil" was funny?
There are several reasons for that >The comic takes place over a year, the show takes place over 11 days >The timeline of events got sped up after the Exes realize the League's fatal flaw >Older Scott literally erases the character development Scott would've gotten by fighting his exes by bringing him into the future
Old Young Neil is really funny though. Also Neil is like a completely different character in this show who definitely is not deserving of the 'just Neil' title
How the FRICK do you get all the original cast from the movie to do the voices, and they all SUCK at it? Even Evans was mediocre. WTF? These guys were great in the movie. What the hell happened? I was going to watch this in English, but the voices were so.... boring. Then I popped in the Japanese in, and it's an all-star cast, with phenomenal performances. How do you frick this up?
I know this, but these are the same people who played them in the movie. How could they not do the same in the anime? Mathew Patel was horribly voiced... but the guy who put in a great performance in the movie. HOW?
Because it's been 13 years and half of them probably only did this for the paycheck while the other half doesn't remember how to channel that character voice anymore. Evans and Larson in particular strike me as "I'm a big time hollywood now, this is chump change so I don't need to give it my all" types of actors.
English is actors voice-acting, with a few of them being actual VA's
Japanese is all professional voice actors
both have their strengths and weaknesses, Culkin and Plaza are as good as ever (despite people saying otherwise for the latter) and Cera kills moments like the "Wallace's husband works for Nintendo" reaction.
i am sure it is decent but i won't watch it out of spite. All I wanted was a fricking straight adaptation and they could have easily made this into a season 2 or something.
Listening to >album related right now since I read about it in the extra notes or whatever in the storytime. It's actually really good so far. Also fricking hell I wish I could have been in my late teens/early twenties where the 90's were turning into the 2000's. It seems like it was just the coolest time to be alive, and my time ('02, for context) is so fricking lame. I know "born in le wrong generation" is a cliche but god damn that's how I feel.
>I wish I could have been in my late teens/early twenties where the 90's were turning into the 2000's.
it really fricking was dude, media as a whole kind of reached it's peak there.
At least you can still enjoy glimpses of it right now.
I liked the characterisations and performances of (almost) everyone (Audrey Plaza is phoning it in). I think that Scott and Ramona actually have chemistry unlike in the movie where they're both really cold. The show has a lot of charm and made me laugh a lot.
I really wish it was a more direct adaptation and I feel like they decided to go with a new story because Netflix wanted an option for a season 2 and the original story has a definitive ending to continue it, the writers were afraid zoomers would hate Scott for dating a 17 year old, being a cheater, and being a dick to his exes, so they rushed through the knives stuff (they're never shown going on an actual date), removed him from the plot, and made him explicitly state dating her was wrong, and the fanbase really likes the exes, so they gave them more screen time and found a way to get most of them to move to Toronto by the end, again so if there's a season 2 they can be main characters in it.
Weirdly enough despite the bait and switch annoying me I kinda want a season 2 because now that they're away from the baggage of having to tell the origin story they can tell completely original stories in the universe with the characters.
I disagree. They could have literally just made an US for season two, no one would have bated an eye. it was an easy slam dunk and they fumbled.
i would kill to be able to live in Mission Hill, that specific time and vibe and age where the economy is great, 9/11 hadn't happened yet, the internet was new and fresh, the simpsons was still pretty good, and people didn't know what banh mi was yet
best part of that period is that most people lied without a fricking care in the world. I miss when my parents were happy and not overly obsessed with making ends meet.
if I ever got my brain uploaded and could pick my corner of the matrix to spend forever in, my own choice of San Junipero, it would be Mission Hill. Social media didn't exist, it was easy to buy weed, and hamburgers were a dollar.
nothing wrong with banh mi, they're absolutely delicious, but they're very associated, at least here in the pacific northwest, with this weird foodie post-2012 vibe of pho restaurants and that same vibe that in the earlier parts of the new millenium was filled with 'small plate tapas' and further back into the late 90s was filled with 'whole grain locally sourced vegan ethical smghaaslkjfnbfa' and then you hear a ringing in your ears and wake up three days later covered in blood
oh, nice. plumtree is a good band, i hope you enjoy the rest of their discography. also, you're not alone. i was born in 2004 and i feel kind of the same way. i feel like i missed out on a ton of stuff and the world just seems so bleak these days.
I liked the characterisations and performances of (almost) everyone (Audrey Plaza is phoning it in). I think that Scott and Ramona actually have chemistry unlike in the movie where they're both really cold. The show has a lot of charm and made me laugh a lot.
I really wish it was a more direct adaptation and I feel like they decided to go with a new story because Netflix wanted an option for a season 2 and the original story has a definitive ending to continue it, the writers were afraid zoomers would hate Scott for dating a 17 year old, being a cheater, and being a dick to his exes, so they rushed through the knives stuff (they're never shown going on an actual date), removed him from the plot, and made him explicitly state dating her was wrong, and the fanbase really likes the exes, so they gave them more screen time and found a way to get most of them to move to Toronto by the end, again so if there's a season 2 they can be main characters in it.
Weirdly enough despite the bait and switch annoying me I kinda want a season 2 because now that they're away from the baggage of having to tell the origin story they can tell completely original stories in the universe with the characters.
Also the plot was also slow in places, I hated the meta Scott Pilgrim adaptation stuff, I'm sick of time travel/multiverse stories, and they removed and simplified many arcs like Kim and Envy's to make way for the ex's expanded arcs. I also think Ramona and Scott's arcs in the original were more fleshed out.
I wish they would have done a direct adaptation, and if they wanted more scenes with the exes, they could show up in Toronto after being defeated so Ramona could make amends or whatever, (the exes don't die, they respawn at their houses and learn their lesson after Scott beats them)
Also, Wallace's characterisation was worse. He turned from a friend realizing that letting Scott room with him for free was enabling Scott to be a lazy neet and eventually pushing him to move for his own good to someone who never wanted Scott to be there in the first place and hates that he's there at all.
Either way, the decisions they made paid off because a large chunk of the fanbase seem to like the new plot.
>the positive reception to the show gets them to make a sequel series >it's set in the modern time like the first older scott's time >it stars their daughter, who would of course be named like "jade pilgrim" >it's just luz universe
It becomes too obvious when people shit up threads without even watching the show. the main redflag is "character assassination". you pretty much out yourself saying it
I don't think anyone here who dislikes even pretends that they have watched the show. myself included.
I'll not support Netflix signature subversions of expectations. I'll never watch the show and I'll forever shit talk it on principle alone.
I am glad you enjoyed it but I hate it exists at all. I shall take my leave for now and shitpost about it some other time. Have a good one.
>finishes a much-beloved comic book that thoroughly encapsulates much of 2000s nerd culture >beloved by fans and critics alike >should be an incredible beginning to a long and storied career as one of the new great comic artists >movie announced >get super excited, sure 3d isn't what you wanted but hey it's alright >it comes out >complete box office failure >you are humiliated >critics like it, it eventually develops a cult following, but you're out of commission now >draw literally nothing for the next ten years >seconds comes out after you get divorced >spent years posting about behind the scenes from a movie that came out a decade ago >finally get an anime adaptation >extreme hype, everyone and their mother has been gooning to the idea of this happening since scott pilgrim vs the animation came out >instead of a faithful adaptation, seek instead to create an au >mixed reviews >likely to be forgotten by the moronic zoomers it tried to hamfistedly appeal to
Legitimately, is there anything grimmer than the Lee O'Malley life?
Your anus has been bleeding this whole thread, and now you're going to pretend that Bryan's Career isn't successful? Some of these are just straight up lies >mixed reviews
>complete box office failure >you are humiliated
that would be a "failure" of the director, and even then he's seen as a great filmmaker and the work in question became a cult classic. you're a fricking moron, kid.
Amazing visuals, meh everything else.
despite the sequel hook it's probably not gonna get more episodes, unless netflix pulled their usual "Carve one season in half and call it two." method.
Also, it made me fall in love with a lesbian that doesn't exist and has me feeling like pic related
Amazing visuals, meh everything else.
despite the sequel hook it's probably not gonna get more episodes, unless netflix pulled their usual "Carve one season in half and call it two." method.
Also, it made me fall in love with a lesbian that doesn't exist and has me feeling like pic related
I still find it hard to believe we actually got this adaptation. It wasn't what I expected but i couldn't be more pleased, to be honest. It's like closing a chapter of my teenage years. Still remember like it was yesterday when i stole Volume 4 from a Mall. Fell in love with the series and proceeded to do the same with Volumes 2,3,5 and 6. Funnily enough, I think the only volume I properly bought was 1 and it was also the last one I read. If you are wondering one i read the first one last it is because my mall didn't have a copy of it so i had to go to a library much later
Just watched the final episode.
I don't get the hate. You people get an entirely new story and yet you're mad because it wasn't exactly the same thing you've seen three times before.
>You people get an entirely new story and yet you're mad because it wasn't exactly the same thing you've seen three times before.
Yeah, pretty much that.
Then why the frick didn't they just make all new characters and a new setting
Just get out. You go eat your slop and enjoy being the kind of person who doesn't get invested in characters and their stories and doesn't care to see that being thrown away for no reason.
The MC is replaced, the character motivations largely make no sense, the side characters we're suppose to learn more about just become window dressing, some become OOC for no reason, the exes and their flaws are largely downplayed, defanged, or just largely non-existent (twins), which takes away the majority of the conflict between them and Ramona which apparently goes against the point of this divergent timeline, the "character development" is rushed and unearned, the murder mystery is boring, the final villain is boring and just shits on the character development form the source material, and the final fight is resolved with a lame deus ex machina.
It's one thing to do a bait and switch, but when you then also fail to deliver on the new premise you want to sell then it just makes it all the worse because now you just wasted my hype and my time.
Okay I'll ask why did they even throw a funeral for Scott if people just responded a few days after being killed
Why are people surprised when he comes "back to life"
What I liked: >Literally everything that wasn't plotpoint related. Animation, music, jokes, even the VA work is good minus some weird deliveries from Knives' actor >Roxy and Lucas' stuff with Ramona (but I agree with other anons, she needed to actually apologize) >Roxy vs Ramona, Matthew vs Gideon, and Even Older Scott vs The World (shoutouts to Scott getting that fricking "Goku in the World Tournament" style battle damage) >"Gordon Goose" and Gideon x Julie as a general concept >The general idea of the exes broing it up (Roxy helping Todd train, Gideon being cool with Lucas and Matthew, all of them being happy for Scott and Ramona) >Everyone getting a generally good future
What I didn't like: >Matthew, Todd and the Twins getting literally nothing from Ramona, beyond the former explaining what's happening with Gideon >Gideon Gordon Graves, the most abusive and indisputably evil of the exes confrontation with Ramona is her saying "Stop being a loser, and treat Julie better than how you treated me" >Todd being made an entire fricking chump for next to no reason (I don't mind him being gay/bi, but him getting his heart broken has no fricking impact if he's not cheating on Envy with Lynette) >Two back to back episodes about the dumb movie meta-commentary (why the frick would you not just have Clash at Demonhead vs nu-Sex Bob-Omb instead, anyway?) >Also why the hell didn't they do anything with Todd and Lucas besides their bants in episode 2 considering Ramona literally left Lucas for him? If you can't tell I didn't like episode 5 kek >Envy's b***hiness having not nearly as much kick since Scott's not fricking here >I'm not mad about the twist but things just aren't as fun without Scott >Knives' new arc, while neat, doesn't compensate for her getting over Scott
I still really liked it as a whole. I know BLOM said the teaser was a joke but I'd like a season 2 for the sake of more Scott (the character) and to maybe go back and touch up some characters that got a raw deal.
>Gideon Gordon Graves, the most abusive and indisputably evil of the exes confrontation with Ramona is her saying "Stop being a loser, and treat Julie better than how you treated me"
I legitimately laughed when he showed up in that montage of Ramona "running away from the ones she loves". I can't believe this was written by BLOM. There had to be a female Gideongay whispering in his ear that she can fix him.
>I legitimately laughed when he showed up in that montage of Ramona "running away from the ones she loves".
They literally showed this scene in the show
>I legitimately laughed when he showed up in that montage of Ramona "running away from the ones she loves".
They literally showed this scene in the show
In the books, the way Ramona tells it is that Gideon didn't care until she left. That little montage shows Ramona walking away with a worried expression, implying she was justified, but you're right, that was a particularly odd choice.
Ramona's redemption arc was pretty weak imo.
There wasn't much of a struggle to get Ramona to admit what a POS she was despite her whole character up until that point essentially being "WHY'D YOU HAVE TO GO AND MAKE THINGS SO COMPLICATED".
>big lesson is to stop running away >spends whole show looking for Scott despite being on only one date
They wanted their cake and to eat it too, ignoring that the progression makes no sense.
I said this in a earlier thread but the issue is that it advertised itself as an adaptation of the books but it baited the viewers by killing off Scott in the first episode, the show then goes into a completely different direction that ultimately undermines the original source material and basically spits on the fans of the OG material.
Like there's a difference in changing something in a adaptation so it can flow better for the story, and changing something in a adaptation because the original author was ashamed of some aspects in the original material. I'm not even against the idea of "Ramona Flowers vs the World", it sounds awesome and almost works like a "New Game+" sort of deal, but the insidiuous marketing and execution put a bitter taste in my mouth.
Even ignoring the false marketing, the execution does more damage to the franchise if anything. Ramona being the main character is cool but she doesn't really do anything. She has a weak reason to care about Scott in the first place so it doesn't work as a motivation. The whole reconnecting with her exes is only a by product of her searching for Scott and just happens. The exes also have such an inbalance on who gets developed, Roxy and Lucas Lee get most of the development while Todd and Gideon get crumbs. Kyle and Ken get fricking nothing even though they needed the development the most. Matthew beats Gideon and takes his throne but does nothing for the whole show, he's just there. Gideon for some reason gets completely excused for his evil actions in the past which kinda ruins his character. The dude mindbreaks and abuses Ramona but she doesn't care about what happened, she barely even interacts with the guy. Not to mention he literally kidnaps his old exes and freezes them for later.
>scott disappears during the events of book one, meaning he never reconciles with envy, or deals with kim/nega scott, etc >he's still basically fully evolved book six scott who's fixed himself and is a good guy now, such that he can recognize old scott's flaws and not replicate them
you can't have both. either he got his arc or he didn't. you're telling me the version of scott that basically went through the plot of the comics ends up a bitter old man who never learned from his mistakes, but the scott who basically dropped right out of still dating kim and into the final battle is better?
No ever said it was well written anon, also I thought that Scott was specifically movie Scott not comic Scott. If it was Comic scott then I'd also have to view it through a weird lens since comic scott was like a whole different person and got hella development
>also I thought that Scott was specifically movie Scott not comic Scott
It's neither. It's anime Scott.
You frickers can handle the idea that there's a separate timeline for the comic and the movie but somehow the notion that there's a third timeline catered to the anime is somehow just too farfetched.
How would we know that, we never got to see scott's precious lil life in full? Also it would make more sense to be one of the already existing timelines from a fan point of view, but yeah never even thought it could be a whole 3rd time as I thought the Au itself was a 3rd timeline weird.
>How would we know that
From all the discrepancies that differ from the movie and the comics.
Scott introduces himself to Ramona by making smalltalk about Sonic, instead of her shoes (comics) or Pacman (movies).
Lucas Lee fights as himself instead of using stunt doubles (comics)
Todd Ingram is easily confusable like the movie version that got tricked into drinking half and half and doesn't know that gelato is vegan.
The twins have a robot, which is only in the comics. At the same time, they're interested in music, which was never a thing in the comics. The most they had involving entertaining others in the comics was being party organizers for Julie's party.
Future Wallace has a husband that works at Nintendo. From the sparks at the end of the series it's a safe assumption that it's Mobile, but Mobile never appears in the movie. Furthermore, in the comics Mobile's job involves the astral plane, not Nintendo.
>No ever said it was well written anon
Well that's a lie. >also I thought that Scott was specifically movie Scott not comic Scott
It's neither according to BLOM
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No, it's the director's fault and BLOM having shitty quality control.
>you're telling me the version of scott that basically went through the plot of the comics ends up a bitter old man who never learned from his mistakes, but the scott who basically dropped right out of still dating kim and into the final battle is better?
I liked that the exes were fleshed out, and that it showed that Ramona was kind of a b***h better then the movie did. In the movie it was pretty obvious she was a b***h by how she acted and spoke, so it was weird that she had all these boys after her. In the anime, she's very charming and very sweet. She has a lot of charisma so it makes more sense.
I also liked the what-if scenario, though the time travel part was kind of weird.
I love exes being fleshed out, Ramona has a decent character arc and realizes she's also not a very good person either, I also like even older Scott than Nega Scott
>kim remembers the high school kidnapping thing the same way scott does
so in this universe scott wasn't delusional or whatever? this scott is just a better person?
I'm only two episodes in, but I'm interested in the direction they're going. I guess to be fair, I only very recently (like a few days ago) read the comic, and knew going in that it would be different. If there's an issue, it's that I feel like there's too little Wallace, and he felt more prickly than he was in the comics. Or rather, he didn't have his cool guy moments to balance out the prickliness.
The news about the show made me interested in reading the comics and then watching it, so I did. I use this site, I'm just usually not much of a western comics guy.
To all those saying that people's complaints about the deviation in story are baseless because O'Malley said it'd be a different, I have a question for you. Why not just give us a trailer that actually showed the new direction the story was going to take? Why only show clips that mostly fit within the first portion of the story before the break into the new direction? >but some clips
They are either explicitly from the first episode or they look like faithful scenes from the comics in animated form. Nothing outright showing that they were going to change things in the way they did. I don't even dislike what they did with the show, but the trailer did nothing to hint at anything drastically new happening, which it should have. At most, when O'Malley said it'd be new, I was expecting pacing tweaks, fleshing out the relationship drama, and modernizing otherwise outdated pieces of the story like Honest Ed's and shit like that. "Killing" Scott and sidelining him to make the story about Ramona trying to find him is a bait and switch. Had the trailer showed his funeral and they were honest about the change, if O'Malley had actually said it was going to be a Ramona-centric story, then maybe there wouldn't be a legit reason to be at the very least tired of the subvertive marketing that modern reworks had to pull to get people to view their shit. This is Heman Revelations all over again.
I had a feeling from the get go, knowing Netflix's track record. Just how far they went though still surprised me. Disappointed, like with most shit released these days.
The complaints about the divergent story are code for "I hate women. Men are being erased." No one seriously cares there's a new story, nor do they expect you to receive the grievance sincerely.
My girlfriend literally wanted to get a Netflix subscription again in order to see the show because we noth grew up reading the comics together in highschool, but once she heard about the bait and switch she changed her mind. Your strawman is weak. Some people are just tired of snake oil marketing.
For the good, I enjoyed the expansion of the exes, though it's kind of unfortunate that Roxie seemed to get the short end of the stick. She finished her reconciliation first, and then just disappeared until the end. Her character didn't feel like it had much added to it. But otherwise, we got more characterization, and I felt it was done in a pretty interesting way. I'd forgotten about Patel, but he felt very charming.
For the bad, a lot of the main characters from the comics felt like they got screwed over. Knives was alright, since she had some development paced throughout. The rest got a pretty raw deal. I feel like Wallace and Kim were fan favorites in the comics. In the show, they made Wallace a prick pretty much the whole time, it felt like the only time he showed his cool side was when he was Old, and even then, not very much. Kim got to show off her condensed backstory, which was meant to be fake, and got to kiss Roxie, which felt arbitrary.
I wasn't huge on the last couple of episodes, mostly the future Scott stuff. I would say he's not meant to be Comic Scott, because of a few changes to how things went, so let's just say that in the comics, the happy ending stayed happy. Overall, I'd say I liked the show, some good stuff in there. The action and fight scenes were pretty fun. The weakest probably being the Wallaces vs Ramona.
>appears in nearly every episode instead of dying second >He was present! That means he was fleshed out!
The number of smoothbrains that I've been forced to interact with over this one show is astounding.
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Anonymous
Lucas was given a lot of time and opportunity to become less "united states of whatever" and he found a job he's actually good at. He's making friends. Everybody in the story got better as soon as Scott was gone. That was my favorite part, was that as soon as the Jerry Smith was removed from the equation, everyone got to grow and change and become a better version of themselves.
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>Lucas was given a lot of time and opportunity to become less "united states of whatever" and he found a job he's actually good at
His character didn't change at all and this new job literally had no relation to him, we didn't even get a half-assed moment of him liking baristas or something to even justify. There was no arc, things just happened. His conflict didn't even have anything to do with him as a person. He dated someone playing as an underaged girl who wasn't even underaged and suddenly his life goes to shit. Ramona helps him with that one jam and suddenly they're all okay. There was no buildup, no catharsis, nothing like her fight with Roxy. Who cares if everybody got better when it is fricking unearned?
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>He dated someone playing as an underaged girl who wasn't even underaged and suddenly his life goes to shit.
was that what got him cancelled, or was it all the paparazzi he murdered* in public?
*technically justifiable mass homicide
6 months ago
Anonymous
The former, it's why the paparazzi were even after him in the first place. No one gives a shit if people die in this universe.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He's fleshed out because you see him interact with characters and situations that never come up in the original story. That's the point of this show. It's a fanservice slice-of-life showing character dynamics denied by Scott killing everyone. Now, every crack ship is valid. No one is dead. Every villain is reformed (mostly). Everyone lives in Toronto now for some reason.
Anyone who doesn't get that isn't going to enjoy the show.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>you just didn't get it!
6 months ago
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Well yeah. I can tell you have a male EQ.
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YWNBAW
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>Anyone who doesn't get that isn't going to enjoy the show.
You mean anyone with standards not low enough to not recognize that none of that have any of the connective tissue to make it work.
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>He's fleshed out because you see him interact with characters and situations that never come up in the original story
you're actually confusing more screen time with actual character growth. a lot of the people in this thread are. the only exes that had growth was roxy and matthew
You can argue that you didn’t like how characters like Todd or Gideon were treated, and that they were changed, rather than fleshed out, and that’s fair. But they definitely got more time to have their characters established, (minus Roxie). It’s not canon to the comics, so I was mostly fine with how things went.
Kek I just realized how Stephen and Knives spend so many of the episodes sucking up to both Envy, Scott's cheating ex-girlfriend, and Matthew, the one who "killed" Scott.
And to think they were the only ones besides Remona that seemed at least a little sad at his funeral
It's shitty that Netflix marketed this series as an adaptation and cucked everyone, but all in all I fricking loved this show purely because it was new and expanded on characters that didn't get enough screentime in the books or movie. My biggest complaint is how sidelined Scott, Kim, Stephen and Knives are, but I guess the argument is that they got a lot in the comic so they're mostly extras here compared to Ramona, Neil, Julie and the Exs. Scott suffers the most from this because he doesn't get his arc of fixing himself but I guess I can argue that Old Scott being such a schizo was as much of a wake up call for him as NegaScott was
I'm sure I could like this, but I'm putting it off letting my annoyance with the 'fanbase' cooldown. Usually their moronation doesn't influence my ability to enjoy things, but I'm struggling with stuff in life which makes me weaker that way I suppose. People who hate Scott just can't handle protags who are flawed. Most of the reasoning for hating him either gets resolved or they are just bullshitting. It has been awhile, but did the books really not address Scott being a jackass? I wish they had just been open (not one line in an article) about the nature of this. I was happy to get more of it animated after the small bit that aired on adult swim around the time the movie came out.
>It has been awhile, but did the books really not address Scott being a jackass?
It's literally the whole point of the book. Even O'malley knows they stopped after "Scott is dating a 17yo", but here he is making a whole show for them.
I just meant it in a way of 'what the frick are they even complaining about/trying to say'. As you said, it was the whole point of the show. I don't even remember him being a jackass maliciously either.
Loved it. I was hoping it'd be a faithful adaptation of the comics, but cool, interesting shit like the Wallace vs. Envy fight and the whole video store fight makes me think that this show was better than it would've been if it was just like the original.
Scott Pilgrim is twilight for men and this show is like if twilight for men was subverted by lesbians.
They just couldn't let white men have their own Twilight
I don't understand. The show is literally just as gay as the novels.
I liked that the "twist" was posted here so I didn't waste my time giving it even a single byte of bandwidth
>What did you like about it?
It got me hype for PSG 2.
When is it coming out?
Fricking finally
It see.s like Bryan Lee O Malley made this show to try and get back with Hope Larson.
Ponytail Kim Pines
>That flashback and Kim's longing face
MY HEART. Kim is the undisputed best girl of this series for a reason-.
It's interesting that the show made Scott seem less like an butthole since he actually did tell Kim he had to move to Toronto and he actually did fight Simon Lee to save Kim.
Makes it so Kim's hatred for Scott seem less justified
Yeah people say this show shits on Scott but this is the most he has ever been a "nice guy"
They assassinated Kim and Julie's characters
Kim got screwed by being completely out of focus, I didn’t mind what they did with Julie, tbh.
>ends a relationship that would have lasted a year falling apart otherwise
>helps supports a person she knew in high school that used to be a billionaire
>remains the girlfriend as you help him win back his fortune
Seems like an absolute win for Julie.
It's a completely different character in Julie's skin
Julie wasn't evil, she was abrasive specifically to Scott because she'd had a crush on him for years and he kept chasing her roomates (Envy) and friends (Ramona)
Julie was also shallow and didn’t like Envy until she got famous. Julie clout chases with both Envy and Ramona because she can tell they’re alpha b***hes.
She definitely wasn’t abrasive to just Scott.
Her and Stiles's relationship was a sinking ship that either refused to get off of until it just sunk completely.
She was
She was on-again off-again with Stiles to be near Scott and make him jealous
Gee I wonder why she didn't want them to date?
Y'all are fricking moronic
>assassinated Julie’s character
how, by making her a huge b***h? she already was one! if anything it helped her by getting a boyfriend who doesn’t dump her for a dude.
This is how illiterate the people that enjoyed this shit show are
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I'm am so in love with the track that plays during the flashback, it plays so low and subtle in the scene that you can barely hear it. Like Kim repressing her happy memory and feelings of Scott but her recollection made some of it come out.
>Gideon and Julie
>Todd breaking down due to Wallace
>Wallace being a chad
>Lucas being the most extra dude ever
>Roxy being sympathetic
>Young Neil being the dumbest guy of all time
¿>Matthew kicking ass and taking power after years of being the ex with the least screentime
>Knives being happy
Really the only thing I disliked is that Kim and Scott barely do anything.
>Someone actually liked Julie's character assassination
This whole show is like a bad Ao3 job
O'Malley being involved was a guarantee it would suck and oh boy does it
It isn't often that such terrible dialogue gets paired with such awful voice acting
>nooo how dare you do something fun with a character
You're the worst kind of fan
>the creator was involved nooooo
jesus fricking christ
jesus fricking christ is right, that guy shouldn't be let within 100 feet of any scripts
>says this unironically
idk man, people in here they're just something else
Anon if you think the
>dialogue
>VA
>animation
in this are good you have no taste
all right king of taste
This is Cinemaphile. The voice of the majority becomes the voice of taste by default.
Yeah yeah ok, fricking zombie.
Julie was literally the first villain of the books, trying her hardest to ensure that Scott and Ramona never get together.
I like Julie too, but she has always been cast in the villain role.
Can someone tell me my why out of all the girls in this, my dumbass likes Julie despite how rude she is?
b***h is loyal as frick and just wants to help you be the best villain you can be
Something about agro girls turns me on too, nothing wrong with that.
>Knives and Stephen being bros
>Julie Powers and Gordon AKA Gideon hooking up
>The expansion and humanization on the seven evil exes, Lucas Lee is an absolute bro
>The fact that Matthew Patel has always been powerful, he only needed the confidence to win
>The soundtrack
14 days of Netflix credits have been added to your accounts
>dude really thinks the whole goddamn planet hated SPTO and not just his sorry ass and his incel friends
I like how this version of Steven Stills isn't gay.
S2 boy
I think its interesting that this is, essentially, Rebuild of Scott Pilgrim. For those who don't get that reference, a Rebuild (the term coming from the Rebuild of Evangelion movies) is essentially something that disguises itself as a reboot or retelling for a modern audience but, after appearing to be a faithful adaptation for its opening act, wildly diverts into a new story that only makes sense if you are already familiar with the source material, essentially being a sequel the entire time.
On its own merits, its fun to see the ex's getting screentime and a chance to actually be characters of their own for a bit, thats worth the price of admission because Ramona and her ex's were always the most interesting parts of the story, not Scott himself. Its gorgeously animated, and between this and edgrerunners I think we are seeing a strong push towards western IPs just bypassing western animation studios entirely and hiring japanese studios to do the work instead. I can't complain about the results.
Rebuild is dog shit
Not gonna argue with that, but its still a thing. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is a Rebuild story. Same way that the FF7 remake game is a Rebuild.
Its not something that has a lot of examples yet, but it does seem to be growing. I'd be surprised if it caught on in the west, though, since the west kind of treats its IPs as too fluid and interchangable anyway for a Rebuild style story to even make sense, because they can't make a faithful adaptation of stuff in the first place, much less add the extra wrinkle to the formula.
>Deceiving your audience for a cheap shock is now a genre
I fricking hate this timeline
Is this a bot post?
I keep seeing the exact same thing said the same way over and over here and on reddit 24/7.
Always the same hedging with the "twist" followed by empty praise for the animation and some phrase indicating Ramona and the exes were "fleshed out"
Also usually comparisons to Edgerunners and Rebuild, which amuse me every time because both of those shows suck ass
No, honestly I just finished the show like an hour ago and literally this is the first thread for this show I've ever bothered to open up, much less post in.
If this is a response you have been seeing elsewhere a bunch, I guess its just a common reaction? A general agreement on the contents and strengths of the show from people who have seen it? Not everything is a fricking conspiracy, bro.
If it weren't expressed in the exact same words every time or praising the low-quality animation I'd be more inclined to believe you
In b4 some variation of "that story's been told three times already!"
it has tho. and if this was billed as a sequel/timeline deviation from the jump people would've been just as excited. realistically we're never getting the books animated because o'malley simply doesnt want his income to take a hit.
>it has!
No, it hasn't. It hasn't even been properly adapted a single time. The movie was a different story that was absurdly compressed. The game has nothing at all do with the story it's just an arcade brawler. You're being a disingenuous little homosexual.
all 3 of those are about scott fighting 7 evil exes anon. yes, the books are the most in-depth. but the broad strokes and end point is the same across all 3 mediums. i’m glad we didnt copy and paste the comic panels but with sakuga. get over it.
>all 3 of those are about scott fighting 7 evil exes
stopped reading here
if you're going to make a show of being as disingenuous as possible you can at least try to make it seem genuine
0/10 try harder
yeah bud i already know you don't like reading if you're begging for the books to be animated this bad
>The most accurate Scott Pilgrim animation was the Adult Swim Pilot.
Damn
hahaha holy shit
time to wordfilter "fleshed out" to get these bots off my screen
....I'm, not sure you understand how this website works anon.
I do
but clearly you don't
go back
>Always the same hedging with the "twist" followed by empty praise for the animation and some phrase indicating Ramona and the exes were "fleshed out"
I tend to not believe conspiracy theories but I'm starting to.
>edgerunners sucked ass
The frick are you taking about? Edgerunners was good/
>rebuild
Yeah i'll give you that one, the ending was fricking awful and pretty much everything after they diverged was wank.
>Ramona and her ex's were always the most interesting parts of the story, not Scott himself. Its gorgeously animated,
This is literally fricking wrong. They're only relevant as aspects of Scott Pilgrim's life.
The actual relevant anime comparison here is the garbage FLCL sequels, they also miss the point of the original and think the secondary characters have any purpose beyond their relevance to the original central protagonist (spoilers: they don't).
My favourite meme is people praising subversive shit that "fleshes out le underutilised characters!!!!!" when it's not doing that at all, it's just fabricating entirely new personalities and stapling that onto pre-existing designs.
The best part of scott pilgrim always was the secondary characters you goddamn astroturfer
>The actual relevant anime comparison here is the garbage FLCL sequels
it's actually not, the whole point of those was to not follow what came before as the one piece of advice given by the original series director was to get new blood, whereas this is so finely tuned you have to be an experienced Scott Pilgrim fan to get the most out of it. You're a moron who has no clue is what I'm getting at here.
>it's actually not, the whole point of those was to not follow what came before as the one piece of advice given by the original series director was to get new blood
Which is why they sucked, and the director was tragically wrong
didn't ask for your opinion, homosexual, I'm just explaining why it was a poor example.
chill out, it's just a sequel
the fights
kinda wanted to see kim frick someone up tho
>the fights! the animation!
>check out scenes on YouTube because curiously no one is posting webm's
>Animating on 3's, nearly everything is always static, lip flaps not synced at all
Jesus Christ you kids have no standards
I mean I knew you were easily pleased when people praised fricking Edgerunners as a return to form for Trigger but this is just sad
>nearly everything is always static
someone only watched the first episode
Edgerunners is overrated you worthless weeb
>Edgerunners is overrated you worthless weeb
and so is this show
work on your reading comprehension. the person you were replying to was shit talking edgerunners.
95% of anime are pure shit you have to actually willingly try to create something that is worse this shit. The fact that Edgerunners has an actual end alone already makes it better than most others.
out scenes on YouTube because curiously no one is posting webm's
Looks good to me.
It kind of gave me Kill la Kill vibes, in a good way. I binged all 8 episodes today and really liked it. Even Older Scott is really hot when he isn't drawn ugly and isn't voiced by Will Forte.
It does? To me that looks like a slideshow with maybe 4 distinct poses
That's your big animation webm?
If that looks like a sildeshow to you then Im sorry anon, but your eyes are moronic.
>Walk cycle is two poses animated on 3's
>Ninjas moving is two poses animated on 3's
It's a slideshow and you're blind.
This post is one of the most digusting cases of cherry picking i have ever seen
Nah, you're just easily impressed. I bet you came at the sandivistan scenes despite them being low budget crap with lingering frames
i liked the evangelion reference towards the end A.K fields, made me chuckle. that's about it
Artstyle.
Shame about the animation and the stunt casting.
>stunt casting.
lmaoooo b***hy coworkers
checc'd
I don't understand what you're talking about. What does "bitchy coworkers" have to do with "stunt casting"?
ramona doing stunts for envy as ramona?
Oh. Wasn't at episode 5 yet.
>Omalley said the Anime and Comic exist in their own timelines so Future Scott ain't Comic Scott
Thank god, on the other hand this confirms the Scott Multiverse
I had called it since those comparisons to FFVIIR and Rebirth started and I gotta say validation is pretty fricking rad.
>What did you like about it?
Too many to say, i liked pretty much all of it. Just wish Lisa could have appear and Stacey to have more screentime
if S2 happens Lisa might be important since it could be Scott solving the issue with her while Ramona watches
Lisa did appear. Kind of.
Was wondering who the other characters were (aside from the black restaurant manager) and apparently they're Wallace's alcoholic friends, not sure if they're in any other scenes/pages than the one or two in V4
>he's just a pussy
You know what? Frick you and your drunk homosexual ass wallace. You don't shit on your homeboys in public.
yeah i mean wallace was always kind of a b***h.
I would coom mentally for a fanfic or an art where Scott finally stands up to wallace over all his drunken shenanigans and b***hyness.
Still, you'd know how weak Scott is mentally on these things. You build your boy up with encouragement and strength, not tear him down with others for a quick joke. True friends don't do that.
Well true friends also don't leech of their other friends without anything in return. Scott is LUCKY all Wallace does is being b***hy to him.
>You build your boy up with encouragement and strength
Did you read the comics? You don't build Scott up that way. You build him up by slapping him with cold hard truth. That's the shit Wallace used to actually get Scott to break up with Knives, and what Kim used to get him to come to terms with everything that Nega Scott is about. Giving him encouragement and strength just feeds into his rose colored delusions where he thinks he's hot shit.
>That's the shit Wallace used to actually get Scott to break up with Knives
You mean an ultimatum
an all-tomato???
Man's got a point though. Only a pussy would be avoidant of conflict from breaking up with a girl 6 years younger than him.
They're not in public. They're in their apartment.
I understand while Lisa would get absolutely no screen time for this one, she's really only present as a temptation for Scott, and if he's not around, then she's basically a non-entity.
KOOONYA WA HURRICAAAAANE
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Future Katayanagi twins look like JSRF characters, that has to be intentional.
I like that they made Julie the best girl
Man the English voice actors didn’t even try. I unironically had to switch to Japanese
>Lucas and Kim being whatever in the United States of Whatever
>Envy getting cucked by Wallace
>The whole band being bros the Knivss
>Serves as a sequel to both the movie and the comics
>game too I guess
>does an "alternate" timeline so you still get the early 2000s feel
>Also removes scott from most of it to give other characters time to shine
>good animation
>Circles back to Scott and Romana's story while also acting as a sequel to future events
>In this version, every lives and is being the best version of themselves while getting great character interactions
I think the show was great. Should it have been a straight adaption? Maybe, but what we got I think is a lot better for fans wanting "new" content. We already have 2 straight adaptions with the game and movie.
>fans wanting "new" content
All five of them
Since Scott Pilgrim likes to reference video games, the easiest way to describe Takes Off is "Scott Pilgrim NG+"
We had the comic and the movie as the main base story of the game to its end, and Takes Off is the NG+ to flesh out some more side stories and make sure everything is neatly tied together,
don't conflate fleshing out with fan fiction
I'm tempted to say "it's not fanfiction!" because it was written by the creator but he's such a fricking terrible writer that it does come off as an AO3 fic.
All the characters are uber-flanderized, like it was written by someone half-remembering the movie.
wait so this isn't a straight adaptation?
torrenting this right now!
oh yeah, it's great, it diverges from the movie at the end of the first episode.
i know im in the minority but i love these alternative timeline remakes/sequels like FFVIIR and EVA rebuild's so im happy it's startimg to catch on.
oh man, hearing pat and woolie talk about the FFVIIR plot and how it plays with stuff was so great, I don't play those kinds of games but that plot idea is so interesting
I wasn't sold at all on FF7R's plot until I was told how it related to FF7's fans as a meta commentary. Now it makes sense and I hope they can pull it off. Starting is easy, pulling through is much, much harder.
Me too. I especially love seeing old characters from series I watched ages ago getting older like me. I know people usually hate this, but I consider it interesting to see another side of a character be it because they are older now or be it because they are put into an alternative timeline where they adapt to the new set of rules.
i sometime like it.
but let's be honest... corpos love doing this type of stuff to recycle and reuse stories and characters.
>Should it have been a straight adaption? Maybe
The answer is yes and the discussion pretty much stops there.
I don't know how your tolerance for remakes and subversive isn't at rock bottom, don't you get tired of everything being subversive and "modern"?
We never got the actual animated adaptation of Scott Pilgrim and we still don't have it. That's so fricking lame.
>Also removes scott from most of it to give other characters time to shine
All I hear when you say this is they pulled a Kevin Smith
>Also removes scott from most of it to give other characters time to shine
This isn't even true though. The majority of the side characters are pushed to the background even more.
It's just Sex bob-omb though, and even then that's not entirely true because Stephen and Knives doing music thing is in almost every episode, and the movie shit was outright portraying itself as a documentary interviewing Young Neil.
We don't even get a fraction of their screentime and development from the comic. The movie plot was a huge waste of time. Saying they get more time to shine is bullshit. That whole Stephen and Knives shit is always in the background. This isn't counting all the other side characters who got gimped. Not even all the Exes get focus. They don't even try with the Twins.
The twins have the entire future sub plot. Because they're ulitmately adults who just fricked a freshman girl and are very smart.
>The twins have the entire future sub plot.
They are gone for most of it.
>Because they're ulitmately adults who just fricked a freshman girl and are very smart.
Wow, how "fleshed out". Totally took advantage of the premise there.
The only character that actually got expanded a tiny bit were Lucas and Roxy. It's almost funny how many people are parroting this shit
Mathew and Gideon got expanded too, what do you mean?
Even Todd in a way, he's still a cheater but this time he actually fell in love, and even broke up with Envy himself instead of her finding out
Not true at all. Gideon, Matthew, Julie and most importantly, Ramona, also get a lot more development.
No, they got a smidgen of screen time. There's a difference.
Is that what this is? You kids don't know the difference between characterization, depth, and screentime?
>Ramona, also get a lot more development.
>take away the majority of her flaws from the beginning unearned
>DEVELOPMENT
>author knows people are mad at him for lying to them
>"I appreciate you chuds :)"
What a colossal homosexual
>YOU CANT APORECIATE PEOPLE WHO WATCH YOUR SHOW EVEN IF THEY HATE IT, YOU MUST BE MAD IF THEY'RE MAD BECAUSE....YOU JUST HAVE TO!!!
Shut up homosexual
>anime is it's own timeline/thing
this. Hate when losers around here claim a reboot/spinoff is a sequel because a character has hindsight of future/alternative/previous media events.
The thing people don’t understand about transitioning into television media is that you need to present your original, golden work FIRST, THEN present the “what-if’s”. Nobody’s going to research your shit that much off of your EXPERIMENTAL product. Go with what works, then rape your audience.
mainly the exes getting fleshed out
stephen, knives, kim, julie, young neil. everything else is soulless gunk. they didn't even bother censoring julie's mouth when she swore
What is it about Kim Pine that makes her feel so real? It's like she could actually be my girlfriend...
Wallace breeding Scott
>What did you like about it?
Lucas Lee.
>goes from fricking Scott's gf to fricking his sister
Why is Luke so based?
Which one is your favorite?
my favorite was Old Ramona from the end, she was fricking foxy
What is her real hair color
I wondered about the same thing.
It's blonde. There's a shot where she washes the dye out every time she changes colours.
Other anon, from that other thread, where I asked that exact question, and you predicted blonde. You're a fricking cool guy
That's the decolorization you do before dyeing.
>That's the decolorization you do before dyeing.
...
That's a thing?
Not that anon, but yes it is.
That's just bleached color.
>she washes the dye out every time she changes colours.
bro... that's not how hair dye works....
>bro... that's not how hair dye works....
No shit, I've never dyed my hair in my life.
the God Only Knows cover being used during the epilogue, Boogie Nights is one of my favorite films and I don't know if that was supposed to be a direct reference to that but it sure felt like it with the whole "all these miserable awful people got a fulfilling happy ending after all" montage vibe
I only watched it because I like Scienc Saru.
What the frick is this writing?
assuming you're a fellow Cinemaphile tourist, this is what western cartoon writing is
i found scott pilgrim takes off to be relatively tolerable, even funny a lot of the time, minus one scene, so if you didn't like this show's writing, then boy i hope you don't watch anything american for a little while
this is no better than the garbage the zipperheads shit out
i didn't even say i disliked this show, don't be aggressive
Man, most of Episode 6 is just repeating the same information but padding it out for way too long.
Was Kim always so dead inside and depressed or did Scott ghosting her mindbroke her? I can't help but feel sad about the girl
Nobody's fault but her own she keeps hanging around and living with people associated with bad memories.
She was always like this. She had more screentime in the books though, so she got a few more light-hearted scenes later, but usually she was as gloomy as in the cartoon.
Remember that one of the characters knew she was lying when she claimed that she had killed her former housemate because she said she was "smiling" after murdering her.
The last two episodes were fricking cool in my opinion. Movie set episode was lame, everything else good but not as good as the last two and the first episode. In the end I enjoyed it more than I thought. The voice acting was fantastic, I pity every moron that watched this with English dubs. Anyway, Even Older Scott is the best boy. "Old man fighting MC with fists" will always be my favorite type of ending. Kirei vs Shirou Emiya, Lord Genome vs Simon, you name it.
Speaking of it, if I didn't know it was Science SARU I would have thought it was Trigger animating this. Action, style, action etc. even the jokes felt like Trigger. Makes me hyped for PSG s2.
>The voice acting was fantastic, I pity every moron that watched this with English dubs.
No one's put the Japanese audio in a torrent yet and I don't pay for things.
How much of it is because it's actually good voice acting and how much of it is because you don't understand the language?
Like, on a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the voice acting in this video?
I understand most of the Japanese dialogues and I perfectly understand Italian and German and 100% of all German dubs are garbage and 100% of all Italian dubs are at least good, sometimes excellent. Some languages and VAs just suck. Not always the case even, I consider a lot of cartoon VAs good. Just not this one (and not Castlevania).
I dont understand a word of Japanese and know that voice acting is horrible. Cadence, pacing, emotion, and voice control transcends language.
the instant i heard weird al's voice I went "WEIRD AL???" and the same with will forte, because he's as recognizable as tom kenny
Stacey is so cute
I can't believe the cartoon made me like Julie. I hated her in the books.
Also, I am glad they got rid of Lisa besides that one easteregg. Her subarc was the only genuinely pointless part of the series IMO.
>the one character that could have turned Scott off the path of correcting himself so he could be a shitty person again to his current love interest, as well as Lisa in the future, along with any other gfs because he would never learn he is the problem.
Nah, her character served a distinct purpose.
I only ever met one person (a woman from my university) that was also reading them, but I am not from an anglo country. Pretty sure it was somewhat popular here as well though, it's probably just my fault for not knowing many people.
Sorry I am moronic, replied to the wrong anon. Was meant for
It just makes him too much of a harem protagonist for what's supposed to be a complete loser
>complete loser
Anon, by the time he is 23, he's had four girlfriends, including
>the brooding girl in high school who already had a boyfriend
>popular girl who went on to become basically the in universe Taylor Swift
>a hot Chinese high schooler
>a girl who has had 7 boyfriends, one being a movie star, three being rock stars, and one being one of the richest people in the world
The point isn't that he's a loser. It's that he's a c**t.
>popular girl who went on to become basically the in universe Taylor Swift
no way, Envy is like Avril Lavigne level tops. Taylor Swift is approaching Elvis/Michael Jackson level.
So, people told me that this comic was somehow important to mid/late 2000's indie cultura. How?
I have a skewed view because
>Toronto
but it was genuinely everywhere when I was in highschool. If a girl was even slightly into nerd culture, anime, comics, art, tumblr, alt/emo, etc. she likely read Scott Pilgrim. It was all over parts of the internet back when books 5 & 6 were coming out.
For me personally, the story was definitely 'formative', in the same way Harry Potter was to a generation of readers just slightly older than me. Hell, I remember being asked by a bunch of my friends to come out for the midnight release of book 6, and got a signed copy by Bryan Lee O'Malley. It was all quite a big deal to us at the time.
All those chicks I went with were fricking crazy, though.
Not that I'm any better. lmfao
It perfectly captures the era it came out in.
A popular quote is "Ramona ruined a generation of women" but really it was just Ramona showing the world what the modern woman was.
>Detective Pikachu
Okay the Despicable Me Minion from earlier was bad enough, but this is just...frick you.
to be fair the minion was in older scott's memories, so that one actually made some kind of chronological sense, clearly that memory was from after a certain year. young scott pulling out a detective pikachu reference absolutely doesn't make sense though.
Funny enough I still don't know anything about those minions besides that they are from some pixar movie or something and that they were obviously popular even though I never noticed it. That scene should have shown Optimus Prime, giant robots are at least cool
i find it weird as frick that this was written by Westerns but directed by Japanese people, some of the "anime-isms"/gags seem to just work better in nippon (the slang is less cringe at the very least).
I only watched this in Japanese and yeah. I mean since I didn't touch the english dub I don't know how good or bad it is but such series almost always work better in JP and I am a fan of the Japanese VA of Ramona so easy choice.
wait, are people serious? The original cast returning was phenomenal, and they had fricking weird al and will forte on as guest appearances. Plus the hot fuzz guys play the two security guards.
Dunno I don't know any of these people and when I listened to the dub for a bit I just didn't like it as much as the JP voices of the MCs. Not even sure who you mean with original cast. Did it every had any other adaption besides the movie?
No, it's the movie cast. Michael Cera and such. Are you trolling about that? That seemed like a pretty front and center part of the advertising for the show
No I genuinely don't know them. And I watched the movie more than a decade ago, no way I remember voices that I have heard once after 12 years or something.
Also like I said I like some of the Japanese VAs in this series quite a lot, so I see no point in watching this in English. As the other anon has said cool lines and phrases usually sound worse in English anyway.
chris evans is lucas lee, it's all pretty great performances.
Simon and Nick were eating Cornettos too. So now this show is the fourth Cornetto entry.
the voice acting was great, but the animation often didn't match the tone of speech. It was strange.
I'll be honest, i love Pegg and Frost but it feels like they really weren't given A material to work with here, Edward Wrong did get a slight chuckle out of me
it's not a "dub", idiot. They recorded it first in English and this is primarily aimed at people in the west.
Well in that case I watched and enjoyed the dub then. Did it with Castelvania Nocturne too since I didn't like the original voice acting much.
fair enough, though stupid shit like getting the Hot Fuzz guys to play security on a movie backlot where they are shooting an in-universe version of Scott Pilgrim directed by a parody of Edgar Wright is a deepcut that can only be done in English and I'm glad they did it.
Is there a mega yet?
i was just using kimcartoon and it was all up just fine on the hongkong servers
What did Scott study in college?
disregarding the abortion that was the new show.
im really curious on a certain subject.
was there ever any main character of a story that's as hated as scott?
only thing that comes to mind is finn from adventure time but even he atleast was sorta popular in the early seasons.
it's pretty funny how no fan of the comics and other adaptations like him. they either hate him or feel nothing about him.
saying it's an abortion isn't going to magically make people agree with you, you have to actually have reasons and you don't, the new show was really good.
my post wasn't even talking about the show you moron.
try reading for more than 5 seconds before getting triggered
>disregarding the abortion that was the new show
That's it, that's all I was responding to. Get your dick out of your own ass
my opinion is still 100% correct.
it's alright if you like the show but it's still a horrible mess compared to the comics
>it's alright if you like the show
See? That wasn't so hard. It's alright if you don't like the show.
MCs are almost always the weakest part of the series since they are almost always written as the audience's surrogate and audiences usually consist of a lot of really boring people. Even Older Scott is a billion times better than Scott because he's the antagonist and therefore allowed to be radical.
true.
usually a strong mc is able to stand out shine even among the rest of the cast.
i think ed/edd and eddy that are a boon on the show and everyone loves them
Yeah I hate the surrogate and relatability meme. I am not sure if it even works or if it's just what boomer CEOs believe, because some advisor from the 70s once claimed it was the case. The cartoon with the most positive feedback on Cinemaphile that I have noticed during the last 5 years was Primal s1 and the MC is the polar opposite of the typical modern cartoon fan.
Kirito from Sword Art Online.
(maybe) shinji from evangelion
Steven israeliteniverse or Korra
I never got the hate for Scott. Hes flawed, but thats the point, he starts the series out as immature and selfish, and when it ends he's learned how to be caring and supportive person towards the people he loves, and he's getting his life on track while in a loving relationship with the literal girl of his dreams, fairytale ending kinda stuff. Theres this obscure concept in writing called a "character arc" thats what Scott went thtough.
Im convinced anyone who hates Scott is an autsitic capeshitter who hates any and all change or growth in a character.
>I never got the hate for Scott
Same, all of a sudden I'm hearing that people never liked him, he was the least compelling person in his own comic. Like what's going on
The people that latched onto O'Malley's ass like lampreys are a specific type of scene gay. Most people moved on but the "die hard" fans hate Scott Pilgrim and have spent a decade telling BLOM that Scott's problematic and the worst part of the books and blah blah blah we need more gay kissing
Can you guess who this anime was made for?
Stop talking out of your ass kek. If you had actually been in the fandom, you'd know Scott is still the most popular character of the series.
In fact, most of the time the only people who still made content/art were people who loved Scott and shipped him with Remona and/or Wallace
>the only people who still made content/art were people who loved Scott and shipped him with Remona and/or Wallace
This is a lie.
It's always only been Knives.
Everyone loves Wallace but no one draws him.
Where do you look for fanart dude? Back on X and Tumblr it was all Scollace and the girls
If you are talking sorely porn, then yeah Wallace isn't draw him.
Well, "wasn't" drawn much. Based on how things are going, that's going to change thanks to Todd
Wallace is already living his best life, ain't no reason to fantasize him getting with any of the rest of Scott's loser friends that's just a step down for him.
Unpopular opinion I guess but Wallace's official boyfriend Mobile sucks.
His design is boring as hell, he doesn't even have a personality cause we don't see him at all.
I would have much preferred Wallace to end up with literally anyone else
>thanks to Todd
oh wait, disregard.
I shuck cox.
As you were...
>Can you guess who this anime was made for?
Every time I see a quote from O'Malley I always think the exact same thing:
"Wow, what an butthole"
Hate for Scott is reserved for the bunch of manga and movie fans that screech #Scott Pilgrim Did Nothing Wrong!
We're here because of them.
Scott himself is no bigger an butthole than anyone else in Toronto.
Yeah, Scott is the literal a fundamental flawed character, but also representational of a lot of 20 somethings bs. I swear I think if you are still a Scott or haven't started the process of changing you hate Scott. I feel so many people suddenly just hate the type of guy Scott is as he isn't one note. He's got a lot of problems and flaws and they aren't really the cool type like being a unapologetic creep on knives(like in a lot of agegap shows girls love) He's not a overwhelming badass or hopeful guy like in shounen or superhero stuff, He's not cunning or super cool. Scott's literally just a guy that's pretty good at fighting that is a realistic depiction of a guy we all know or that we may have been at some point. Being on the younger side of Cinemaphile myself I know a Scott right now and he funny enough hated Scott the whole show and comic kek.
But he's essential for other characters to bounce off him.
Imagine
Threesome sex between them
I need him
How much did they have to pay Chris Evans to be in this?
The best thing was that they got rid of Scott for most of the show. One of my least favorite characters.
The movie was great for it's time but a lot of it such feels outdated and toxic by todays standards and all of that was addressed and resolved in the show.
Only critic is that we needed more Kim
>The best thing was that they got rid of Scott for most of the show. One of my least favorite characters
That's crazy. Getting rid of your MC so that others can be propped up. Where's the balance
I've never consumed a single piece of SP media in my life other than the movie, which I loved when I was a late-teenager still. Despite Scott being a believably bad & boring person, he was the awkward gel that made every secondary character stick the landing.
So in the new show, the secondary characters stick the landing without Scott? That's good to hear, I might give it a watch this week, hopefully I won't need too much context from the comics. I tried going through the comics once but something about it didn't click with me. Couldn't tell you what it was though, it's been so long.
I'm on Episode 4 and like it much better than the comics so far.
Did we ever find out what Scott studied at the University of Toronto?
Underage butts.
most morons here that try to defend the show with their dying breathforget to realize that most people won't bother with this show since it basically requires you to atleast watch the movie or the comic before starting it.
Yes and? People that cannot read are morons anyway, they don't deserve to have fun. It's six fricking volumes, they can read the whole series in a day if they aren't moronic.
i was never really interested in scott pilgrim.
even back in the early 2010s it reeked of "lmao unironic weeb GAMEERRR" energy.
and seeing a plot summary of the netflix show i guess my guts were correct.
kim's still hot tho
filtered.
>even back in the early 2010s it reeked of "lmao unironic weeb GAMEERRR" energy.
That's literally the whole setting.
>People disappear and drop coins when they die
>1UPs exist
>All the bands are either directly named after videogames or items in videogames
>Gear proficiencies
>Equipment stats
Me neither but I binged the the comics yesterday and binged the cartoon today and I had a lot of fun with both. Feels good.
This is revisionism anon, SP basically started that entire genre of highly referential stories intended for nerds.
SP single handedly caused an entire generation of co-called writers and storytellers to stop referring to video games in their work as *Donkey Kong death noise*
Lighten up, homosexual.
Chud here. The wealth of organic and genuine threads and posts about this show have won me over. I’m going to watch it and urge my fellow bigots and family to do the same.
It boggles the mind that Cinemaphile, the board that should be hip to the concept of multiverses, elseworlds, alternate dimensions, and what ifs, had several threads of anons debating whether Older Scott is from the comics or movies.
I'll tell you what I didn't like.
No Comeau.
Agreed. Also too little Kim. Otherwise I enjoyed it.
I can't believe Stephen survived the homosexual ray not once but twice
I was just thinking how weird it was that Stephen realizing he was gay happened in the comic but as far as I know isn't referenced at all in anything after (movie, game, show). Usually these things go the other way around.
>Wallace "steals" Todd away from Envy
>we didn't get a line akin to "That's for breaking Scott's heart, b***h" from him
>doesn't really care about Scott at all
They just did him and a bunch of others so dirty in this show, it's like BLoM somehow doesn't know his own fricking characters
Funny enough Bryan mentioned this criticism of "Wallace hates Scott" in instagram. Something about how "pay attention to Wallace's actions and not his words, and you ill see he doesn't hate him" or something was his excuse
>is totally cool with the attention prostitute bawd he hates with a passion that ruined his bud's life crashing said bud's funeral and attention whoring it up
truly le actions speak louder than le words, bravo Brian
He lets Scott live in his house rent free
It's a Ramona and her exes show
There is no Scott and the side characters do nothing either
This sequel was made for literally no one
I liked it and I don't even dislike Scott like most people do
It was a sequel made for you and nobody else then
That's not Scott it's fanfiction Scott different character
Nah, it's Scott.
Comics had Scott, teen Scott, and Nega Scott.
Anime had Scott, teen Scott, Older Scott, and Even Older Scott.
No, this isn't cannon and in two or three years everyone will forget it ever existed
It will be a remember when Netflix made an awful anime based on Scott pilgrim?
And in 6 or 7 years people will legit forget it was a thing and it will pop up in YouTube videos like Scott pilgrim retrospective kind of stuff
I have been around the block a few times so I know how this stuff works
It's Canon. To the anime.
Like how the twins just being DJs and not having any robots is canon to the movie.
And how Ramona being a delivery girl for Amazon is canon to the comics.
For being on Cinemaphile you sure are struggling with the concept of multimedia/alternate universes, so here's a refresher that hopefully dumbs it down enough for you.
Adam West's Batman isn't Kevin Conroy's Batman nor is it Christian Bale's Batman.
They do things differently, have different personalities, and a differing supporting cast roster size.
But they are all still Batman.
No it's not cannon
>I have been around the block a few times
more people are liking it than not, troon.
Misdirection
But anon, it's got more Scotts in it than the comic ever did.
I like how they essentially made the DLC chapter from Asuras Wrath here
Am I supposed to be mad that a cute women was the protagonist of a show? It's only bad when it's a uggo and involves genderswapping.
Animation-wise, it's done very well. However, making Romana the main protagonist completely ruins it. The name of the show is SCOTT PILGRIM Takes Off. In other words, Scott Pilgrim should be the main character, not some fricking female supporting character.
Netflix doesn't know how to respect the source material & they do intentionally for woke points for higher ESG rating so that ~~*Blackrock*~~ doesn't tax them into obvilion. Every animator or cartoonists in the industry should look for other companies that don't butcher the source material, preferable male-run animation companies because less women in charge = better content for the viewer. If you're indepenedent, don't do business with the gayMAN globohomosexual companies. They will find ways of ruining your creation if they can.
dude, the name of the show is "scott pilgrim TAKES OFF". Of course he's gone from the majority of the show. He takes off!
Precisely why I'm advocating blacklisting all gayMAN globohomosexual animation companies. They're all woke trash run by women & blacks who shouldn't be there in the first place. The creator should have negotiated with Japanese studio & bypass the Netflix middle-man entirely. Any company that tell you change things in your canon doesn't have your best interest in mind.
Just read this out loud in the group chat and everyone laughed, thanks bro
I feel like if this was released when I finished consuming everything Scott pilgrim related like the comics, game and movie I would've love it because is just ''more'' Scott Pilgrim, but now years after I discovered the comics for the first time I just wanted to experience it all over again in a new format
I still had fun watching but it just wasn't the same vibe
General vibe is everyone wanted an animated version of the original and nobody is happy with what we got expect for shills and hardcore ramonagays
I wanted to watch the fight scenes animated now I'm never going to because ideologs took that away
I'm happy with it and I don't give a shit about Ramona. In fact back when the comics ended I had hoped BLOM would have done a spinoff focused on Knives and her family.
Why you salty frickers gotta keep lying and say shit like "durr only shills and Ramonagays liked it"?
There is less knives in the anime than there was in the comic
Hell knives entire development happens off screen and she is magically good at music
They removed the knives fight against Ramona which was the peak of knives story
>Why do you claim nobody likes it?
Because nobody likes it, everyone is complaining except for some shills working on overdrive to defend it
I watched it when it released which was 3 days ago, I spent an hour talking about it here and then I fricked off until now and it's the same shit going on, you are acting exactly like korragays did and every other shill, eventually you will get tired of acting like a shill and the other shills will too and conversation will die down and that will be the evidence that nobody liked it because engagement was completely based on one group fighting the other, the original comic was good enough to still have an odd thread here 15 years later, do you seriously believe there will be threads about the anime in 15 years?
>There is less knives in the anime than there was in the comic
She's literally in every episode. Even ones whee she really shouldn't be like the episode that takes place entirely at the movie set. She was there watching the filming the whole day and was there to walk up to Patel setting up their pitch for a musical when he goes and fires everyone.
>Hell knives entire development happens off screen and she is magically good at music
It's part of her Asian upbringing, something only mentioned in passing in volume 1 of the comics with her saying that she both "doesn't listen to music much" yet also "knowing a lot of kids who play piano".
Tell me ten things knives did in the anime
Fangirld at Sex Bob-omb
Fainted at their performance and missed Scott "dying"
Revealed that Sex Bob-omb was just her favorite fake band, and Clash of Demonhead is her favorite real band
Showed off how fast she learned bass
Carried on mourning Scott by holding onto and wearing his X-men patch Jacket
Showed that her speed at picking up instruments isn't a fluke by also being good at the piano
Co-wrote a musical adaptation of the movie script with Stephen Stills
Played to Matthew Patel's vanity in order to get the capital to get the musical made
Was first among the rest of the cast to back up Scott and Ramona against Even Older Scott
Keeping a tradition from the comics and movies, gets the highlights punched out of her
Shows greater maturity than her comic book version by both moving on from being cheated on by Scott (at record pace compared to the comics) as well as not holding a violent grudge against Ramona.
Has enough talent that her addition to Sex Bob-omb was commented on as improving their music
Is the only bandmate Stephen takes along to Envy's recording session
There's 13 for ya.
Why did she even have the hilights? She only gets them to seem more like Ramona after Scott dumps her, which didn't happen this time.
That moment was just them looking at the camera and going "member scott pilgrim?"
Who knows. Probably saw it in the musical script and decided to copy it.
oh frick off schizo.
do you get off on being a pedantic homosexual? gonna cry about the stage marquee also having them despite it likely being in the script that she wrote?
Band stuff counts as one thing and musical stuff also counts as one so that's 5 things top
>literally going "nuh uh those don't count!"
I accept your concession.
Brushing your teeth is also technically 6 different actions
If you want to play that game, then the Scott stuff also counts as one thing, so she basically only did one thing during the whole comic/movie run
>Dating Scott (1) thing
>Fighting Ramona (1) thing
>Making out with Kim (1) thing
>Rejecting Scott (1) thing
>Bringing up Scott cheated (1) thing
She didn't do much but at least that's 4 memorable moments and that's all she really needed, she is even more of an aftethought in the anime, the story would be the same is she didn't even show up
>hopelessly neurotic Stephen Stills would have been able to convince Matthew Patel to make a musical when the anime has him unable to make songs without Knives' collaboration
Nah, this isn't Raiders of the Lost Ark.
A musical that only serves the purpose of getting everyone together in the same room, a musical we didn't even get to watch for an ending that sucked and we're the supporting cast did nothing
>A musical that only serves the purpose of getting everyone together in the same room
That's not it. The musical wasn't for anyone other than Scott because it's Older Ramona's message in a bottle. All the exes and supporting cast did not need to be there. Just him. That was outright explained in the story I don't know how you missed that.
Just cause you didn't like that plot doesn't mean you can act like it didn't happen
>The exes being fleshed out, especially Gideon
>Nods to the movie
>Smooth animation
>Themes of forigveness instead of DUDE LMAO
Other than the ending being kind of moronic, it was pretty good.
Honestly, the soundtrack, the animation, and the Toronto setting (it was cool seeing places around my town in an anime) are the only things I can say that I liked without a doubt.
I wish it was just a faithful adaptation at least. They could've just made that, then did what Stein's Gate did with this alternate universe.
A lot of the dialogue came off as cringy to me. A lot of the story was pretty bad. Every guy in the show is shown to be an emotional, effeminate blockhead. Every girl in the show has very few (if any) flaws and couldn't really do anything wrong).
Scott has no actual character development other than "Guess I won't date this 17 year old because that's not acceptable in today's society lol" even though there was nothing about him going to the future that changed his mind about that.
In the original, everybody was a fricking dick, but at least it seemed realistic and showed that all the characters had flaws, and most of the characters overcome those flaws. I don't know how they managed to make a show where over 50% of the cast is gay even more gay.
it's good, but needed the full 12-episode seasonal treatment if not for at least more characters/fights, Matthew should have been more antagonistic even if they were going to be upstaged.. dude just fades into the background for most of the show.
Best Character.
Finally, good gay representation
Should have given old Scott a kid
I like how people are claiming it "isn't about" Scott when you have three of the villains literally wanting to "be" him in productions.
Sad part is that this would've worked perfectly as a season 2 after a perfect adaptation of the comic, but now if they give us that it will just look like a ''Fine you cry babies here's you faithful adaptation''
by that logic why can't you imagine it as a sequel to the comic or movie?
Because I wanted to see animation and the movie also changes a lot of stuff
>I didn't get what I wanted
yeah, life kinda sucks like that doesn't it? it's the whole reason people like
are b***hing like women about it
i definitely enjoyed the show, but most fans I've heard from have wanted an animated adaptation of the comics for years. They advertised this show as the adaptation we've all been waiting for, and gave us something completely different. I still hope for an animated adaptation of the original story, though the odds are we won't ever see it.
>They advertised this show as the adaptation we've all been waiting for
I think the first thing Brian said is "It's not a straight adaptation of the comics, don't go expecting that."
Pay him no mind. He just watched youtube trailers and turned his brain off at scenes that were never in the comics and decided it's an adaptation, even though the trailer itself featured scenes that weren't in the comics and the description of the trailer does an "it's not the same thing" hook.
yeah, he said that but not all the trailers and whatnot, you cant expect everyone to looking into interviews for every single thing that is announced. every single trailer shows Scott doing the heavy lifting here, same thing happened during master of the universe.
it probably is. some say we are getting threads made entirely by bots.
Because it's not,
because i wanted a faithful adaptation first and the show was marketed as such.
It wouldn't work as a season 2 because of the respawn. Why would anyone presume Scott is dead when he gets killed by an evil ex that he killed in the last season?
Literally just end the show with a ''continue countdown'' like the movie, Season 2 starts with a character select and now this time you the viewer picks Ramona done
imagine if scott respawned and was trans now, and now it's Sarah Pilgrim
>implying there'll be a season 2
The good
>the visuals
>Scott and Ramona have the best chemistry they've ever had
>leaning harder into the vidya logic of the setting
The bad
>many characters were made worse (Wallace, Todd, Neil) or made to basically not be characters anymore (Knives, Envy, the twins)
>pacing issues- brushing past Scott's "cheating", characters' roles being reduced, characters written out or consumed by others
>absolute dogs hit voice acting seriously how did they frick up this bad
>the "humor"
At the end I kind of felt like this attempt to expand on the SP world didn't do so in any meaningful way. Despite Ramona being the protagonist, it doesn't really expand on her, we of course aren't exploring Scott's past this time around.
It only really showed us more of the Exes, and depended on the viewer having prior knowledge for everything else.
And I don't know if SP humor hasn't aged well, but the humor in this felt more like it was "inspired by SP". It felt like Star vs the Forces of Evil at a certain point.
Ramona accepted responsibility for all her wrongs and apologized. SP: Rebuild had plenty of character development for both Scott and ramona
Which they both do in the comic and the movie in more satisfying ways
What was the point of this massive dynamic shift if all it did was leave the characters in pretty much the same situation
Frick it's a stretch if not a lie to say Scott developed.
This Shows Scott
>didn't confront his baggage with Envy
>barely confronted his cheating with Knives
>didn't face his faulty memory of getting with Kim (although it seems like that's been totally retconned)
If you didn't read the comic or watch the movie Scott comes of a loser whose dating a high schooler just for kicks
>In volume 3 when it reveals that it was Wallace who came to Scotts house, and saw him playing videogames, and not Lisa like Volume 2 showed
>If you didn't read the comic or watch the movie Scott comes of a loser whose dating a high schooler just for kicks
.....he was always that....
Except no he was doing it to cope.
No, he was dating Knives as an impulsive way to deal with his breakup with Envy which fricked him up
Not an excuse, but an explanation that suggests that the choice to date knives is out of character for him and not made carelessly or with malicious intent.
Scott isn't the mind of guy who trolls for young booty, he's just at a very low point in life when the story starts. The show brushes past this context.
NTA, but I forgot about the Envy breakup. Been awhile. Honestly that makes it even worse with people dogging on him. It doesn't justify it, but it isn't like that is his 'normal' as it were. Just dude is so low he isn't acting right.
Doesn't that seem kinda cheap though. She acknowledged her wrongs said sorry and that's it. saying a bunch of words isn't the hard part of showing the acceptance of responsibility its the actions beyond the acknowledgement that show responsibility is being taken which she didn't do much of.
dogs hit voice acting seriously how did they frick up this bad
Jap dub is pretty good
Julie is the best
no shock there
I liked this but I reckon Netflix should still do an adaptation of the classic. Even if it's a cheap one I still wanna watch it.
S1 should have been a straight adaption to try to attract a new audience. Scott pilgrim takes off would make a great season 2
Watched the whole thing. If they make another season of this, they need to replace 90% of the voicecast from stuntcasts to actual actors.
But anon, that's the problem. They used actual actors instead of actual voice actors.
Blarg, should've said "actual VOICE actors".
The show is trash but it's nice to see Gen Z learning about elder Millennial culture. Nature is healing.
so can anyone explain why scott dating knives is a bad thing?
cause the very same people that call it grooming and pedo will fangirl over the kim kissing scene (the age gap is still the same)
It’s because he’s stringing her along for attention rather than actually dating her and treating her like a prop because he just wants that innocence back that Envy stole from him
>It’s because [headcanon]
i want REAL answers
He's stringing along a dumb girl with a case of puppylove and potentially damaging her mental health and self-esteem, and then he cheats on her with Ramona.
Also the life experience of a high schooler living with their parents to someone who's finished college and has their own apartment(they mooch off of) is huge.
He's not dating her cause he likes her, he's dating her cause it's easy and didn't involve much work to get with her. He just rode the bus with her and let her talk about school.
He drops her instantly for a girl that he dreams about and turns out to be real because his dream is actually a subspace highway.
In the comics, it was the age gap more than anything else. After Scott, Knives dated Young Neil (who was 20) and he didn't get any flak for it unlike Scott.
The whole "she's underage" was never a thing that was a problem but they made it seem like it was in the last volume.
Dating someone who's young for the sake of manipulating them easier is bad though, and that's what scott was doing. Nothing wrong with an age gap if it's legal, but there is morally if you're doing it for the sake of tricking an oblivious younger person.
Scott wasn't using Knives. At least not in any way that he was manipulating her. She was the placebo he was using to convince himself that he's done moping about Envy.
Stephen gave zero fricks about the gap, even commenting that maybe he should get himself a high school girlfriend too. Kim was upset because of course, and tried to attack him with the age difference. When that didn't work she came back again trying to accuse Scott of being a user and just using Knives.
Brian thinks Lesbians and Bi chicks are mysterious and perfect and above the moral fiber of society
He's basically Dobson but with a modicum of talent for writing
> cause the very same people that call it grooming and pedo will fangirl over the kim kissing scene
Strawman much?
Not anime.
yeah we should move the threat to
Wrong board
Isn't Young Neil supposed to be gifted just Neil by Scott? Did they really cut that out because they thought "Old Young Neil" was funny?
Yes but also just an in-setting joke where everyone in the future was called "Older X" and just rolled with it instead of telling Scott they're just gonna call him young Scott as then that'd be the only change that needed doing.
>Did they really cut that out because they thought "Old Young Neil" was funny?
There are several reasons for that
>The comic takes place over a year, the show takes place over 11 days
>The timeline of events got sped up after the Exes realize the League's fatal flaw
>Older Scott literally erases the character development Scott would've gotten by fighting his exes by bringing him into the future
Old Young Neil is really funny though. Also Neil is like a completely different character in this show who definitely is not deserving of the 'just Neil' title
How the FRICK do you get all the original cast from the movie to do the voices, and they all SUCK at it? Even Evans was mediocre. WTF? These guys were great in the movie. What the hell happened? I was going to watch this in English, but the voices were so.... boring. Then I popped in the Japanese in, and it's an all-star cast, with phenomenal performances. How do you frick this up?
English is actors voice-acting, with a few of them being actual VA's
Japanese is all professional voice actors
I know this, but these are the same people who played them in the movie. How could they not do the same in the anime? Mathew Patel was horribly voiced... but the guy who put in a great performance in the movie. HOW?
Because it's been 13 years and half of them probably only did this for the paycheck while the other half doesn't remember how to channel that character voice anymore. Evans and Larson in particular strike me as "I'm a big time hollywood now, this is chump change so I don't need to give it my all" types of actors.
I wouldn't go that far for Evans. He was one of the very few who seemed to be trying. He did better then most.
I thought that hose 2 were some of the better VAs the best being roxanne,
Voice acting is a different skillset from acting, schizo.
No, it's the director's fault and BLOM having shitty quality control.
The animated prequel from like 12 years ago sounds great, this had to have been a direction problem
both have their strengths and weaknesses, Culkin and Plaza are as good as ever (despite people saying otherwise for the latter) and Cera kills moments like the "Wallace's husband works for Nintendo" reaction.
Aubrey Plaza's performance in the first episode was fricking atrocious but she got better as the show went on
Episode 3. That's about it.
i am sure it is decent but i won't watch it out of spite. All I wanted was a fricking straight adaptation and they could have easily made this into a season 2 or something.
I hate how much future Scott reminds me of the guy from YIIK
Listening to >album related right now since I read about it in the extra notes or whatever in the storytime. It's actually really good so far.
Also fricking hell I wish I could have been in my late teens/early twenties where the 90's were turning into the 2000's. It seems like it was just the coolest time to be alive, and my time ('02, for context) is so fricking lame. I know "born in le wrong generation" is a cliche but god damn that's how I feel.
>I wish I could have been in my late teens/early twenties where the 90's were turning into the 2000's.
it really fricking was dude, media as a whole kind of reached it's peak there.
At least you can still enjoy glimpses of it right now.
I disagree. They could have literally just made an US for season two, no one would have bated an eye. it was an easy slam dunk and they fumbled.
i would kill to be able to live in Mission Hill, that specific time and vibe and age where the economy is great, 9/11 hadn't happened yet, the internet was new and fresh, the simpsons was still pretty good, and people didn't know what banh mi was yet
best part of that period is that most people lied without a fricking care in the world. I miss when my parents were happy and not overly obsessed with making ends meet.
if I ever got my brain uploaded and could pick my corner of the matrix to spend forever in, my own choice of San Junipero, it would be Mission Hill. Social media didn't exist, it was easy to buy weed, and hamburgers were a dollar.
What do you have against banh mi?
nothing wrong with banh mi, they're absolutely delicious, but they're very associated, at least here in the pacific northwest, with this weird foodie post-2012 vibe of pho restaurants and that same vibe that in the earlier parts of the new millenium was filled with 'small plate tapas' and further back into the late 90s was filled with 'whole grain locally sourced vegan ethical smghaaslkjfnbfa' and then you hear a ringing in your ears and wake up three days later covered in blood
oh, nice. plumtree is a good band, i hope you enjoy the rest of their discography.
also, you're not alone. i was born in 2004 and i feel kind of the same way. i feel like i missed out on a ton of stuff and the world just seems so bleak these days.
I liked the characterisations and performances of (almost) everyone (Audrey Plaza is phoning it in). I think that Scott and Ramona actually have chemistry unlike in the movie where they're both really cold. The show has a lot of charm and made me laugh a lot.
I really wish it was a more direct adaptation and I feel like they decided to go with a new story because Netflix wanted an option for a season 2 and the original story has a definitive ending to continue it, the writers were afraid zoomers would hate Scott for dating a 17 year old, being a cheater, and being a dick to his exes, so they rushed through the knives stuff (they're never shown going on an actual date), removed him from the plot, and made him explicitly state dating her was wrong, and the fanbase really likes the exes, so they gave them more screen time and found a way to get most of them to move to Toronto by the end, again so if there's a season 2 they can be main characters in it.
Weirdly enough despite the bait and switch annoying me I kinda want a season 2 because now that they're away from the baggage of having to tell the origin story they can tell completely original stories in the universe with the characters.
Also the plot was also slow in places, I hated the meta Scott Pilgrim adaptation stuff, I'm sick of time travel/multiverse stories, and they removed and simplified many arcs like Kim and Envy's to make way for the ex's expanded arcs. I also think Ramona and Scott's arcs in the original were more fleshed out.
I wish they would have done a direct adaptation, and if they wanted more scenes with the exes, they could show up in Toronto after being defeated so Ramona could make amends or whatever, (the exes don't die, they respawn at their houses and learn their lesson after Scott beats them)
Also, Wallace's characterisation was worse. He turned from a friend realizing that letting Scott room with him for free was enabling Scott to be a lazy neet and eventually pushing him to move for his own good to someone who never wanted Scott to be there in the first place and hates that he's there at all.
Either way, the decisions they made paid off because a large chunk of the fanbase seem to like the new plot.
I thought this comment from Bryan was pretty funny, are people that stupid nowadays.
Is that really a question?
The next Scott Pilgrim series should have Scott AND Ramona die and Kim becomes the protagonist.
>the positive reception to the show gets them to make a sequel series
>it's set in the modern time like the first older scott's time
>it stars their daughter, who would of course be named like "jade pilgrim"
>it's just luz universe
Sounds depressing.
Kim gives me an erection
WHERE THE FRICK IS LISA WHY DO THEY HATE HER
Lisa is a non-canon filler arc
It becomes too obvious when people shit up threads without even watching the show. the main redflag is "character assassination". you pretty much out yourself saying it
I prefer them compared to people who did watch the show but make up things that the show achieved.
I don't think anyone here who dislikes even pretends that they have watched the show. myself included.
I'll not support Netflix signature subversions of expectations. I'll never watch the show and I'll forever shit talk it on principle alone.
I am glad you enjoyed it but I hate it exists at all. I shall take my leave for now and shitpost about it some other time. Have a good one.
>I don't think anyone here who dislikes even pretends that they have watched the show. myself included.
Falseflag post.
>finishes a much-beloved comic book that thoroughly encapsulates much of 2000s nerd culture
>beloved by fans and critics alike
>should be an incredible beginning to a long and storied career as one of the new great comic artists
>movie announced
>get super excited, sure 3d isn't what you wanted but hey it's alright
>it comes out
>complete box office failure
>you are humiliated
>critics like it, it eventually develops a cult following, but you're out of commission now
>draw literally nothing for the next ten years
>seconds comes out after you get divorced
>spent years posting about behind the scenes from a movie that came out a decade ago
>finally get an anime adaptation
>extreme hype, everyone and their mother has been gooning to the idea of this happening since scott pilgrim vs the animation came out
>instead of a faithful adaptation, seek instead to create an au
>mixed reviews
>likely to be forgotten by the moronic zoomers it tried to hamfistedly appeal to
Legitimately, is there anything grimmer than the Lee O'Malley life?
>I was fascinated by the idea that my girlfriend had been with other people before me.
Bryan "I Hope Larson is getting her back blown out" O'Malley.
Your anus has been bleeding this whole thread, and now you're going to pretend that Bryan's Career isn't successful? Some of these are just straight up lies
>mixed reviews
>complete box office failure
>you are humiliated
that would be a "failure" of the director, and even then he's seen as a great filmmaker and the work in question became a cult classic. you're a fricking moron, kid.
Amazing visuals, meh everything else.
despite the sequel hook it's probably not gonna get more episodes, unless netflix pulled their usual "Carve one season in half and call it two." method.
Also, it made me fall in love with a lesbian that doesn't exist and has me feeling like pic related
>TFW love Roxie but she's gay and not real
wow, this shit sucks. it sucks and it doesn't even reach the "so bad you can watch it for comedic value" threshold. it's unfortunate.
So it's been three days bros. And from what I have seen of the reception as of now;
Became MUCH more popular
>Remona
>Wallace
>Todd
>Roxie
>Lucas
>Gordon
>Julia
Slightly more popular
>Young Niel
>Knives
>Scott
>Kim
>Matthew
Neutral (stayed the same)
>Stephen
>Stacy
>Envy
>The twins
Dead in the water (didn't appear)
>Lisa
>Joseph
Seeing ramona trending more than Scott or the title of the shows is all you need to know about western entertainment
Which one is better?
Speaking as someone who loves Genshiken and Scott Pilgrim, Scott Pilgrim got the better non-canon sequel/reboot and the better anime.
genshiken
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? (pic related)
madarame did it
That's not canon. He ended up with the burger e-girl.
Ogiue isn't in your pic so Scott Pilgrim.
Anyone else want to frick the lesbianism out of roxy?
just look at
the answer is yes
Why is she always voicing lesbians that I want to frick straight?
She surprisingly did a great anime voice, made me laugh a few times
I swear every Scott Pilgrim adaptation feels like a monkey's paw.
I still find it hard to believe we actually got this adaptation. It wasn't what I expected but i couldn't be more pleased, to be honest. It's like closing a chapter of my teenage years. Still remember like it was yesterday when i stole Volume 4 from a Mall. Fell in love with the series and proceeded to do the same with Volumes 2,3,5 and 6. Funnily enough, I think the only volume I properly bought was 1 and it was also the last one I read. If you are wondering one i read the first one last it is because my mall didn't have a copy of it so i had to go to a library much later
>Thatt whole Kim and Scott flashback sequence with the music
Not gonna lie felt a sting in my heart, HS crushes/relationships in media have always been my achilles heel
Just watched the final episode.
I don't get the hate. You people get an entirely new story and yet you're mad because it wasn't exactly the same thing you've seen three times before.
>You people get an entirely new story and yet you're mad because it wasn't exactly the same thing you've seen three times before.
Yeah, pretty much that.
Then why the frick didn't they just make all new characters and a new setting
Just get out. You go eat your slop and enjoy being the kind of person who doesn't get invested in characters and their stories and doesn't care to see that being thrown away for no reason.
>noooooo you can't make new stuff because it's baaaaad
The new story is shit, why is this so complicated?
Why is it shit anyway?
The MC is replaced, the character motivations largely make no sense, the side characters we're suppose to learn more about just become window dressing, some become OOC for no reason, the exes and their flaws are largely downplayed, defanged, or just largely non-existent (twins), which takes away the majority of the conflict between them and Ramona which apparently goes against the point of this divergent timeline, the "character development" is rushed and unearned, the murder mystery is boring, the final villain is boring and just shits on the character development form the source material, and the final fight is resolved with a lame deus ex machina.
It's one thing to do a bait and switch, but when you then also fail to deliver on the new premise you want to sell then it just makes it all the worse because now you just wasted my hype and my time.
agreed
hilarious how characters like Kim and Envy became even more 2-dimensional despite the focus on the female cast
>the character motivations largely make no sense
So like in the book?
Honestly I like it a lot more than I thought I would
>Just get out.
Okay I'll ask why did they even throw a funeral for Scott if people just responded a few days after being killed
Why are people surprised when he comes "back to life"
Because then we can't spend 5 episodes on a half-assed mystery.
He never respawned is the problem
>sparks and a heart forming in the middle of them
Yeah they are gonna get together. As soon as knives graduates/turns 18
there has to be a Season 2 just because I refuse to believe that BLOM would pass up on Kim lezzing out with Knives again after okaying this scene
Sparks!
Maybe this was supposed to be the wink and nod
What I liked:
>Literally everything that wasn't plotpoint related. Animation, music, jokes, even the VA work is good minus some weird deliveries from Knives' actor
>Roxy and Lucas' stuff with Ramona (but I agree with other anons, she needed to actually apologize)
>Roxy vs Ramona, Matthew vs Gideon, and Even Older Scott vs The World (shoutouts to Scott getting that fricking "Goku in the World Tournament" style battle damage)
>"Gordon Goose" and Gideon x Julie as a general concept
>The general idea of the exes broing it up (Roxy helping Todd train, Gideon being cool with Lucas and Matthew, all of them being happy for Scott and Ramona)
>Everyone getting a generally good future
What I didn't like:
>Matthew, Todd and the Twins getting literally nothing from Ramona, beyond the former explaining what's happening with Gideon
>Gideon Gordon Graves, the most abusive and indisputably evil of the exes confrontation with Ramona is her saying "Stop being a loser, and treat Julie better than how you treated me"
>Todd being made an entire fricking chump for next to no reason (I don't mind him being gay/bi, but him getting his heart broken has no fricking impact if he's not cheating on Envy with Lynette)
>Two back to back episodes about the dumb movie meta-commentary (why the frick would you not just have Clash at Demonhead vs nu-Sex Bob-Omb instead, anyway?)
>Also why the hell didn't they do anything with Todd and Lucas besides their bants in episode 2 considering Ramona literally left Lucas for him? If you can't tell I didn't like episode 5 kek
>Envy's b***hiness having not nearly as much kick since Scott's not fricking here
>I'm not mad about the twist but things just aren't as fun without Scott
>Knives' new arc, while neat, doesn't compensate for her getting over Scott
I still really liked it as a whole. I know BLOM said the teaser was a joke but I'd like a season 2 for the sake of more Scott (the character) and to maybe go back and touch up some characters that got a raw deal.
>Gideon Gordon Graves, the most abusive and indisputably evil of the exes confrontation with Ramona is her saying "Stop being a loser, and treat Julie better than how you treated me"
I legitimately laughed when he showed up in that montage of Ramona "running away from the ones she loves". I can't believe this was written by BLOM. There had to be a female Gideongay whispering in his ear that she can fix him.
>I legitimately laughed when he showed up in that montage of Ramona "running away from the ones she loves".
They literally showed this scene in the show
In the books, the way Ramona tells it is that Gideon didn't care until she left. That little montage shows Ramona walking away with a worried expression, implying she was justified, but you're right, that was a particularly odd choice.
WHY WASN'T THERE A NEGA-RAMONA
THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY WAS RIGHT THERE AND YOU SLAM DUNKED IT INTO THE TRASH
Sorry anon, we can't have the big bad represent a woman's flaws.
Ramona's redemption arc was pretty weak imo.
There wasn't much of a struggle to get Ramona to admit what a POS she was despite her whole character up until that point essentially being "WHY'D YOU HAVE TO GO AND MAKE THINGS SO COMPLICATED".
>big lesson is to stop running away
>spends whole show looking for Scott despite being on only one date
They wanted their cake and to eat it too, ignoring that the progression makes no sense.
Yeah but she got to play Columbo
Tfw when almost everyone had major character assassination
I said this in a earlier thread but the issue is that it advertised itself as an adaptation of the books but it baited the viewers by killing off Scott in the first episode, the show then goes into a completely different direction that ultimately undermines the original source material and basically spits on the fans of the OG material.
Like there's a difference in changing something in a adaptation so it can flow better for the story, and changing something in a adaptation because the original author was ashamed of some aspects in the original material. I'm not even against the idea of "Ramona Flowers vs the World", it sounds awesome and almost works like a "New Game+" sort of deal, but the insidiuous marketing and execution put a bitter taste in my mouth.
Even ignoring the false marketing, the execution does more damage to the franchise if anything. Ramona being the main character is cool but she doesn't really do anything. She has a weak reason to care about Scott in the first place so it doesn't work as a motivation. The whole reconnecting with her exes is only a by product of her searching for Scott and just happens. The exes also have such an inbalance on who gets developed, Roxy and Lucas Lee get most of the development while Todd and Gideon get crumbs. Kyle and Ken get fricking nothing even though they needed the development the most. Matthew beats Gideon and takes his throne but does nothing for the whole show, he's just there. Gideon for some reason gets completely excused for his evil actions in the past which kinda ruins his character. The dude mindbreaks and abuses Ramona but she doesn't care about what happened, she barely even interacts with the guy. Not to mention he literally kidnaps his old exes and freezes them for later.
>tldr: the show sucks ass
>autistic hyperventilation
NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN NOT ACCORDING TO PLANT NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN
Is that all you can say, npc?
>scott disappears during the events of book one, meaning he never reconciles with envy, or deals with kim/nega scott, etc
>he's still basically fully evolved book six scott who's fixed himself and is a good guy now, such that he can recognize old scott's flaws and not replicate them
you can't have both. either he got his arc or he didn't. you're telling me the version of scott that basically went through the plot of the comics ends up a bitter old man who never learned from his mistakes, but the scott who basically dropped right out of still dating kim and into the final battle is better?
>you can't have both. either he got his arc or he didn't.
He got both, by watching them on broadway.
No ever said it was well written anon, also I thought that Scott was specifically movie Scott not comic Scott. If it was Comic scott then I'd also have to view it through a weird lens since comic scott was like a whole different person and got hella development
>also I thought that Scott was specifically movie Scott not comic Scott
It's neither. It's anime Scott.
You frickers can handle the idea that there's a separate timeline for the comic and the movie but somehow the notion that there's a third timeline catered to the anime is somehow just too farfetched.
How would we know that, we never got to see scott's precious lil life in full? Also it would make more sense to be one of the already existing timelines from a fan point of view, but yeah never even thought it could be a whole 3rd time as I thought the Au itself was a 3rd timeline weird.
>How would we know that
From all the discrepancies that differ from the movie and the comics.
Scott introduces himself to Ramona by making smalltalk about Sonic, instead of her shoes (comics) or Pacman (movies).
Lucas Lee fights as himself instead of using stunt doubles (comics)
Todd Ingram is easily confusable like the movie version that got tricked into drinking half and half and doesn't know that gelato is vegan.
The twins have a robot, which is only in the comics. At the same time, they're interested in music, which was never a thing in the comics. The most they had involving entertaining others in the comics was being party organizers for Julie's party.
Future Wallace has a husband that works at Nintendo. From the sparks at the end of the series it's a safe assumption that it's Mobile, but Mobile never appears in the movie. Furthermore, in the comics Mobile's job involves the astral plane, not Nintendo.
>they're interested in music, which was never a thing in the comics
Wrong, they're specifically introduced as twin DJs.
>No ever said it was well written anon
Well that's a lie.
>also I thought that Scott was specifically movie Scott not comic Scott
It's neither according to BLOM
>you're telling me the version of scott that basically went through the plot of the comics ends up a bitter old man who never learned from his mistakes, but the scott who basically dropped right out of still dating kim and into the final battle is better?
Well yeah its kinda hard to ignore your flaws where they are literally kidnapping you
People can fall back into bad habits, it's one of the good things about the franchise. The characters are fairly realistic.
He speedran his character development by seeing what a huge fricking loser he grew up to be and watching Ramona be a good person through the robot
I pine for Kim.
I liked that the exes were fleshed out, and that it showed that Ramona was kind of a b***h better then the movie did. In the movie it was pretty obvious she was a b***h by how she acted and spoke, so it was weird that she had all these boys after her. In the anime, she's very charming and very sweet. She has a lot of charisma so it makes more sense.
I also liked the what-if scenario, though the time travel part was kind of weird.
Knives was ultra-cute.
>fleshed out
I love exes being fleshed out, Ramona has a decent character arc and realizes she's also not a very good person either, I also like even older Scott than Nega Scott
>kim remembers the high school kidnapping thing the same way scott does
so in this universe scott wasn't delusional or whatever? this scott is just a better person?
>*gets cucked* (again)
I'm only two episodes in, but I'm interested in the direction they're going. I guess to be fair, I only very recently (like a few days ago) read the comic, and knew going in that it would be different. If there's an issue, it's that I feel like there's too little Wallace, and he felt more prickly than he was in the comics. Or rather, he didn't have his cool guy moments to balance out the prickliness.
>Pleakely is in episode 4
I'm usually bad at recognizing voices beyond a small amount, but it was just so obvious.
We all watched Amphibia before this.
I haven't watched that show.
Then why are you on Cinemaphile?
Where the hell is the Cinemaphile itinerary
The news about the show made me interested in reading the comics and then watching it, so I did. I use this site, I'm just usually not much of a western comics guy.
To all those saying that people's complaints about the deviation in story are baseless because O'Malley said it'd be a different, I have a question for you. Why not just give us a trailer that actually showed the new direction the story was going to take? Why only show clips that mostly fit within the first portion of the story before the break into the new direction?
>but some clips
They are either explicitly from the first episode or they look like faithful scenes from the comics in animated form. Nothing outright showing that they were going to change things in the way they did. I don't even dislike what they did with the show, but the trailer did nothing to hint at anything drastically new happening, which it should have. At most, when O'Malley said it'd be new, I was expecting pacing tweaks, fleshing out the relationship drama, and modernizing otherwise outdated pieces of the story like Honest Ed's and shit like that. "Killing" Scott and sidelining him to make the story about Ramona trying to find him is a bait and switch. Had the trailer showed his funeral and they were honest about the change, if O'Malley had actually said it was going to be a Ramona-centric story, then maybe there wouldn't be a legit reason to be at the very least tired of the subvertive marketing that modern reworks had to pull to get people to view their shit. This is Heman Revelations all over again.
The moment Matthew Patel got additional scenes, you should know something was up.
I had a feeling from the get go, knowing Netflix's track record. Just how far they went though still surprised me. Disappointed, like with most shit released these days.
The complaints about the divergent story are code for "I hate women. Men are being erased." No one seriously cares there's a new story, nor do they expect you to receive the grievance sincerely.
My girlfriend literally wanted to get a Netflix subscription again in order to see the show because we noth grew up reading the comics together in highschool, but once she heard about the bait and switch she changed her mind. Your strawman is weak. Some people are just tired of snake oil marketing.
>My girlfriend
lol
lmao even
I know, shocker. Without a penis, even. And no, we aren't in lesbians with each other.
Just finished it.
For the good, I enjoyed the expansion of the exes, though it's kind of unfortunate that Roxie seemed to get the short end of the stick. She finished her reconciliation first, and then just disappeared until the end. Her character didn't feel like it had much added to it. But otherwise, we got more characterization, and I felt it was done in a pretty interesting way. I'd forgotten about Patel, but he felt very charming.
For the bad, a lot of the main characters from the comics felt like they got screwed over. Knives was alright, since she had some development paced throughout. The rest got a pretty raw deal. I feel like Wallace and Kim were fan favorites in the comics. In the show, they made Wallace a prick pretty much the whole time, it felt like the only time he showed his cool side was when he was Old, and even then, not very much. Kim got to show off her condensed backstory, which was meant to be fake, and got to kiss Roxie, which felt arbitrary.
I wasn't huge on the last couple of episodes, mostly the future Scott stuff. I would say he's not meant to be Comic Scott, because of a few changes to how things went, so let's just say that in the comics, the happy ending stayed happy. Overall, I'd say I liked the show, some good stuff in there. The action and fight scenes were pretty fun. The weakest probably being the Wallaces vs Ramona.
>I enjoyed the expansion of the exes
He's right though, exes were pretty great that way
He is wrong, they weren't expanded for shit.
Lucas Lee (the best character by a wide margin) appears in nearly every episode instead of dying second.
>appears in nearly every episode instead of dying second
>He was present! That means he was fleshed out!
The number of smoothbrains that I've been forced to interact with over this one show is astounding.
Lucas was given a lot of time and opportunity to become less "united states of whatever" and he found a job he's actually good at. He's making friends. Everybody in the story got better as soon as Scott was gone. That was my favorite part, was that as soon as the Jerry Smith was removed from the equation, everyone got to grow and change and become a better version of themselves.
>Lucas was given a lot of time and opportunity to become less "united states of whatever" and he found a job he's actually good at
His character didn't change at all and this new job literally had no relation to him, we didn't even get a half-assed moment of him liking baristas or something to even justify. There was no arc, things just happened. His conflict didn't even have anything to do with him as a person. He dated someone playing as an underaged girl who wasn't even underaged and suddenly his life goes to shit. Ramona helps him with that one jam and suddenly they're all okay. There was no buildup, no catharsis, nothing like her fight with Roxy. Who cares if everybody got better when it is fricking unearned?
>He dated someone playing as an underaged girl who wasn't even underaged and suddenly his life goes to shit.
was that what got him cancelled, or was it all the paparazzi he murdered* in public?
*technically justifiable mass homicide
The former, it's why the paparazzi were even after him in the first place. No one gives a shit if people die in this universe.
He's fleshed out because you see him interact with characters and situations that never come up in the original story. That's the point of this show. It's a fanservice slice-of-life showing character dynamics denied by Scott killing everyone. Now, every crack ship is valid. No one is dead. Every villain is reformed (mostly). Everyone lives in Toronto now for some reason.
Anyone who doesn't get that isn't going to enjoy the show.
>you just didn't get it!
Well yeah. I can tell you have a male EQ.
YWNBAW
>Anyone who doesn't get that isn't going to enjoy the show.
You mean anyone with standards not low enough to not recognize that none of that have any of the connective tissue to make it work.
>He's fleshed out because you see him interact with characters and situations that never come up in the original story
you're actually confusing more screen time with actual character growth. a lot of the people in this thread are. the only exes that had growth was roxy and matthew
Personally I just like the screentime more.
Reminder that anyone claiming the exes and Ramona were "fleshed out" is a bot
You can argue that you didn’t like how characters like Todd or Gideon were treated, and that they were changed, rather than fleshed out, and that’s fair. But they definitely got more time to have their characters established, (minus Roxie). It’s not canon to the comics, so I was mostly fine with how things went.
I like the bonus Matthew Patel got. And the Gordon x Julie pairing is wonderful.
Kek I just realized how Stephen and Knives spend so many of the episodes sucking up to both Envy, Scott's cheating ex-girlfriend, and Matthew, the one who "killed" Scott.
And to think they were the only ones besides Remona that seemed at least a little sad at his funeral
>the colors and animation
>the episode about Roxie
>Knives having an actual growth
Disliked pretty much etkrajgverything else.
Is there a place that I can watch the Japanese dub? Or does anyone have its mega?
It's shitty that Netflix marketed this series as an adaptation and cucked everyone, but all in all I fricking loved this show purely because it was new and expanded on characters that didn't get enough screentime in the books or movie. My biggest complaint is how sidelined Scott, Kim, Stephen and Knives are, but I guess the argument is that they got a lot in the comic so they're mostly extras here compared to Ramona, Neil, Julie and the Exs. Scott suffers the most from this because he doesn't get his arc of fixing himself but I guess I can argue that Old Scott being such a schizo was as much of a wake up call for him as NegaScott was
Do you guys want to run lines in your trailer?
you mean, like, lines of cocaine?
Yea you want in?
What if the real villain was someone else?
>we got Scott Pilgrim takes off because people wouldn't stop asking BLOM about when Worst World will be done
He can't keep getting away with it
I'm sure I could like this, but I'm putting it off letting my annoyance with the 'fanbase' cooldown. Usually their moronation doesn't influence my ability to enjoy things, but I'm struggling with stuff in life which makes me weaker that way I suppose. People who hate Scott just can't handle protags who are flawed. Most of the reasoning for hating him either gets resolved or they are just bullshitting. It has been awhile, but did the books really not address Scott being a jackass? I wish they had just been open (not one line in an article) about the nature of this. I was happy to get more of it animated after the small bit that aired on adult swim around the time the movie came out.
>It has been awhile, but did the books really not address Scott being a jackass?
It's literally the whole point of the book. Even O'malley knows they stopped after "Scott is dating a 17yo", but here he is making a whole show for them.
I just meant it in a way of 'what the frick are they even complaining about/trying to say'. As you said, it was the whole point of the show. I don't even remember him being a jackass maliciously either.
You DO remember the lyrics to Black Sheep, don't you, anons?
>They got a different singing voice for her in the show
Could Larson just not be bothered to sing?
Compared to the movie, Larson's probably a decade outta practice compared to the actual singer of Metric.
Having the audience sing was awesome and I wish I was there.
Scott pilgrim was always terrible, never saw why people liked it.
Loved it. I was hoping it'd be a faithful adaptation of the comics, but cool, interesting shit like the Wallace vs. Envy fight and the whole video store fight makes me think that this show was better than it would've been if it was just like the original.