The words being there doesn't hamper the quality of it being a visual medium. This isn't like manga where more words means less space for drawings.
As long as you aren't a moron who can't read subtitles and watch at the same time, then you can enjoy both the dialogue and the visuals to their fullest.
It's neither a straight adaptation nor a straight sequel by literal definition. I'd call it a reimagining more than anything.
This is just gay semantics anyway.
Depends on what you mean by "adaption" but yes. What we ended up getting was literally the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run, there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length.
>What we ended up getting was literally the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run
No. Even if you kept the premise exactly the same, it would be much stronger if it focused on the actual secondary cast instead of the exes. Cut Patel's fight with Gideon. Cut Gideon's shit with Julie and Lucas. Cut the fricking movie and musical. Cut the fricking funeral musical number. Cut the "United States of Whateva" sequence.
>Cut the best action sequence of the entire show. >Cut Gideon’s character arc >Cut the main plot thread of the entire series. >Cut the scene of Envy literally dancing on Scott’s grave >Cut the best sequences from the best episode.
You’re either trying to start a fight or completely fricking moronic. Get a lobotomy.
>What we ended up getting was literally the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run
Not even close, but you're free to be as wrong as you want. >there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length.
Bullshit.
>for an 8-episode run, there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length.
that's about 37 minutes per issue of the original comic, it would have been fine
>the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run, there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length
Then it's bad.
"Good for being a piece of shit" still means you've got a piece of shit.
Bland design, "nice guy" personality (a geek who pretends he's different from other guys but is actually just as much of an butthole), the fact that he dated a 17 year old. And I guess him being a manprostitute is also not in his favor, believe it or not but women do care about that stuff too
You missed the entire point. He's not a geek, he's a CHAD who PRETENDS to be a geek.
For example when Ramona asks him if School for Gifted Children is from Sonic the Hedgehog, he isn't sure
He pretends to be a nerd to appear endearing so that people can easily forgive his mistakes. But the plot of the comic is that all of his actions are catching up on him and he has to own it to them.
Scott is a nerd but he is one of those nerds who had a more balanced life growing up and stopped giving a shit about nerdy stuff outside of the things he grew up with.
I have a cousin like that, currently he is a athletic charismatic globetrotter but if you asked him the genealogy of the elves in The Lord of the Rings he could likely tell you all about it because he grew up reading those books and obsessing over the films, ask him about any video game, fiction book, or movie beyond the surface level released post 2013 and he would have nothing to say.
Scott is a genetic prettyboy/semichad who has a lot of nerdy knowledge but is also an butthole.
I know a guy similar to him, only difference he's not a looker, but he's very lean, tall and toned, athletic but also has encyclopedic knowledge in mainstream nerdy subjects like dnd.
Imo Michael Cera was a good casting.
It's the only way you could have scott do dickbag things but not hate him too much because of his "Cera-ness" During the film I really just wanted scott to improve, which of course he did
Had they casted a standard pretty boy I'd hate his guts the entire film and want him to fail.
The anime brings best of both worlds
Cera is not good looking enough to pull off Scott.
Not that anon, but this isn't the case necessarily. I'm not a pooner, I'm a deranged man with a penis who reads a pooner thread once or twice on my bi-annual incursions onto /lgbt/ from my home boards, /trash/ /mlp/ /misc/ and Cinemaphile
If you want a real answer, it's because the series isn't made for women, it's a romance fantasy for men. It's like asking why men aren't attracted to Bella from Twilight.
They are, my girlfriend literally asked me to cosplay Scott Pilgrim so she could frick me in the costume, believe me when I say they're very horny for this himbo.
I really think it would’ve been better as a second season companion piece. Scott pilgrim is over 15 years old, kids today would’ve probably been more receptive to it being a straight adaptation of the book. Also I loved the music, but so much of it being repurposed from the game felt kinda lazy
This . I would have no issues if it was advertised as effectively an Elseworld or something. As an adaption it goes off the rails, but as it's own thing it's alright.
I've read the book, but as I looked back at it. It ended up feeling dated with writing that felt like it has aged like milk.
The show itself was meh. Not because that it was a different take on the original, but the premise of having a evil organization of wealthy exes after a girl was honestly a moronic idea. As well there were bunch of unrealistically written elements such as Scott's ex taking a visit to his funeral, then throwing a full on show for herself "supposedly" to remember her ex which she describes as a small part of her life.
I stopped watching it after 3rd episode. it just didn't feel like it meshed well in its concept and execution.
>I've read the book, but as I looked back at it. It ended up feeling dated with writing that felt like it has aged like milk.
How so? Other than being a 2000's time capsule. I like time capsule stuff, like how Buffy is so extremely 90's.
Yes, and I'm glad it took a different road. I was bored out of my mind of the beat by beat during the first episode and would probably drop it by the next one had they continued doing that.
Imma keep it real. Knowing you got one shot to do this and instead do something different with your source material is......a choice....but hey you have one shot "gotta make it count"
The only thing I have a problem with this show is that they made Scott flawless. Which isn't the point of the original comics.
>Changes his reasoning with Kim's break up (The thing with Simon and Lisa are gone, Scott broke up with Kim directly, makes no reason why Kim would be bitter) >Downplays heavily Knives' involvement >Didn't bother showing how he kept on running away from his problems (Nega Scott)
I know future Scott was that, but Future Scott was a completely different person (considering if this was comic Scott) than regular Scott due to having a different history in the show's time. I like we all know Scott had problems, but they could have shown Show Scott's flaws more.
Also Scott's "mea culpa" to Knives is equivocating bullshit, clearly showing BLOM doesn't actually buy the whole "dating high schoolers is categorically wrong" critique (and he's correct)
Scott says >society seems to frown on dating high schoolers
Because he means Americans, not society.
In the comics it was really only Kim that gave him any kind of shit for dating Knives as an underage. Stephen and Lucas were pro underage girlfriends, Wallace only told him to break up with Knives because Scott wanted to pursue Ramona, and everyone else was varying degrees of didn't really have an opinion.
In Canada age of consent is lower than age of majority.
Because he means Americans, not society.
In the comics it was really only Kim that gave him any kind of shit for dating Knives as an underage. Stephen and Lucas were pro underage girlfriends, Wallace only told him to break up with Knives because Scott wanted to pursue Ramona, and everyone else was varying degrees of didn't really have an opinion.
In Canada age of consent is lower than age of majority.
I think the main thing is that dating a 17 year old isn't necessarily wrong but some of the things Scott did (cheating, using her for emotional support and ignoring her otherwise) hit a lot harder when you're an adult doing them to a kid. not in a pedo way, just an butthole way
Because this isn't an established behavior? Before Knives the only confirmed girlfriends Scott had are Kim and Envy. You'd have to have an established example of Scott using Envy as an emotional crutch to get over Kim or Scott doing that with any other troublesome event in his past to make the assumption that Scott doing that to Knives is "Scott's behavior".
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think you need to be someone's girlfriend to know they're an emotional user. That's basically the reason Stephen doesn't clue him in on the gay thing: he knows Scott's busy being all about himself as usual.
6 months ago
Anonymous
But again, Scott being an "emotional user" isn't an established behavior from every glimpse into Scott's past.
6 months ago
Anonymous
anon the story doesn't make any sense if that isn't ingrained behavior. It's not about how meeting knives and ramona turned him into a douchebag who needs to fix himself. We don't see much of his past in detail, but it's required for the plot to work that he already had his bad traits beforehand.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>anon the story doesn't make any sense if that isn't ingrained behavior
Yes, that is the problem here. Hack O'Malley writes shit that is fricked in terms of having any semblance of consistency and leaves you just assuming shit to justify his poor writing. Another example of this is why the frick Scott would let himself, to use the story's terms, "be Wallace's b***h", when his parents who he seemingly has zero issues with were willing to hook him up with his own place no strings attached.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're right but, to be fair, being Wallace's b***h is a choice Wallace makes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It wouldn't be as big of an issue if Scott's use of emotional crutches were ever a thing shown in the few flashbacks to his past life that we get. As it is with the story leaving us to assume that's how Scott is, anyone not willing to make that assumption just sees Kim as being a b***h.
It was never an adaptation, it was a recreation, they literally give you a completely different story focusing on other character, that is why people complain to this day, at least all of those that saw the trailer
Not every show premise lends itself to the single-season approach. Some need time and patience to let its characters and worlds breathe. It also discourages variety in storytelling methods.
The humor didn't land like it does in the comics or movie, but the artstyle and animation was perfect. I dunno what happened to the music though it was almost nonexistent compared to how stack the movie and video game soundtracks are.
To be fair this version of Scott didn't really get character development, he just gets a bite sized version of a reality check to not become an old jaded butthole.
The whole A-Side story is about Scott getting his shit together, with some growth and arcs for his supporting cast. This B-Side is for the rest of the underdeveloped villains to grow and change, so Scott takes a back seat to literally everyone else.
>Scott did literally nothing wrong in this universe >All his flaws are something Young Neil's sleep paralysis demon came up with while writing his script for him
No. It's it's own thing. At no point in the comics do the twins ever show an interest in being a band or doing music, yet in the future they're Scott's bandmates.
But Scott's flaws and mistakes predate his relationship with Ramona and his first fight with Patel. His relationships with Lisa, Envy, Knives, Kim etc. are still fricked when he comes back from the future, and we only see him resolve his shit with Knives.
He still has to grow, he's just gonna do it in a different context now, and it wouldn't be worth showing because we have the original comic for that. We can presume it happens in a similar way with a different backdrop.
Considering that Kim and Scott's histories are different in the show. Why didn't Kim and Scott get back together in this version?
Kim even confirmed it that she was kidnapped by Simon, and he did tell her directly instead of knowing from Lisa, and Simon's kidnapping being a fake memory
For all the talk about how every side character got loads more screen time and the exes got development. It feels like everyone already stopped talking about them, and if anything we're back to talking about the comic versions of Scott and Ramona the most. When you break it down all characters really got is some quirky moments.
Yet the anime brought very little to the table. Most discussion is just questioning if the character make sense here, or posting the kiss. If you just wanted some cheap look its the characters you like being wacky there are better ways to go about it. But its kinda weird for a work that shined a light on the worse side of hipster culture is now just indulging in it.
They got screen time but not development
If anything they're more flat and less human than they were in the comics. It feels like the show was written while half-remembering the broadest strokes of the movie.
She isn't broken in this version. Literally, her history with Scott here isn't the same in the comics (Wherein Scott broke her heart by not telling her in person), all she is in the show is just a timid girl.
Oh then, eh, she and Scott mended their shit by Volume 6. Even then that's mostly Scott, so it's up in the air but she's well enough by the end of the comic.
Imo Michael Cera was a good casting.
It's the only way you could have scott do dickbag things but not hate him too much because of his "Cera-ness" During the film I really just wanted scott to improve, which of course he did
Had they casted a standard pretty boy I'd hate his guts the entire film and want him to fail.
The anime brings best of both worlds
Honestly both Michael and Mary were born to play Scott and Ramona because yeah, they have the right amount of likeable loser and laid back secretly loser girl energy. It's just the cherry on top that the visuals are also great.
Imo Michael Cera was a good casting.
It's the only way you could have scott do dickbag things but not hate him too much because of his "Cera-ness" During the film I really just wanted scott to improve, which of course he did
Had they casted a standard pretty boy I'd hate his guts the entire film and want him to fail.
The anime brings best of both worlds
Scott and Ramona were miscast. Cera plays it as too much of an awkward pussy, and instead of Ramona being this badass hipster chick she's portrayed as being too cool to be in any scene she's in or deliver much more emotion than dull surprise. Both of them act like they don't want to be in the movie and are just there to get paid.
Meanwhile, the entire supporting cast knocked it out of the park. They're all really into their roles, having a blast doing it, and even the smallest parts are giving it 100%.
Yep, Cera plays it too much as a awkward nerdy dweeb while actual Scott is nerdy but also a sociable/approachable hot guy.
And movie Ramona was just kind of bland sarcastic girl instead of someone whose actually cool/fun/mysterious. The cheap wig also made her look super ugly.
>but not hate him too much
I honestly never understand the level of visceral hatred Scott gets. Like you can understand he is a shit person without seething with anger over him. Cause really he is meant to be the same level of shit as Ramona, and while his friend group is a little better than him it is only by a few degrees for the most part. That's kind of the point. Pealing back the glossy fictional layer and seeing them as real. In that regard Cera is a bad choice. He can't do the real face of Scott but it seems like a lot of people couldn't handle that anyway.
>Imo Michael Cera was a good casting.
Absolutely not. Look at how many exclamation point Scott uses on any given page. He is not soft spoken, he is not soft. Cera has exactly the wrong vibe for him.
Her entire personality is shitting on Scott. Honestly it kind of makes sense she ends up with Gideon/Gordon.
She's in love with Scott and she's mean to him because he never really noticed her (and keeps dating her roomates/friends)
Her on-again off-again with Steven is just to be near Scott.
No?
Gideon was a narcissistic manipulative creep with a literal emotion-altering beam
Scott's just a douchey himbo with a tendency to ignore hard things and memory hole the things he's done that hurt people
Like I said, you're reading a lot into this gag.
I already outlined the characters, they don't really work as foils IMO
I'd love to hear how they're alike that doesn't involve a single use of a running joke
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You're reading an awful lot into a single gag
Am I also reading into Scott going into self-reflection of his past relationships ending with Scott saying he understood Gideon? There's a point the coincidences stop being subtle.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, you're quite literally reading too much into this.
Evil Scott is just Nega Scott.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think that anon meant that Gideon is literally an evil clone of Scott.
What is it about people ITT who can't read?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes, you're quite literally reading too much into this.
Seems to me you just lack literacy. >Evil Scott is just Nega Scott.
Except Nega Scott wasn't evil. If he was, Scott accepting him would be a bad thing.
you people are insufferable
Nega Scott is all the bad shit Scott does. He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott, but accepting him means being able to learn from his mistakes and get better.
Gideon isn't "evil scott" mainly because they're not at all alike but also because Scott's already not "Good Scott"
I'm still waiting for an actual interpretation of Gideon and Scott's characters that makes them inversions of one another instead of this grabass bullshit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I’m kinda in a rush so I won’t go too far into it, but basically Gideon and Todd and very similar characters in that they ask the question of “what if Scott got everything he ever wanted before his character development”
Gideon however, has no friends and no desire to make them. He is Scott with power and money but completely isolated in his own problems, acting entirely on impulse without any Kim or Stephen to stop him
6 months ago
Anonymous
>What if scott got everything he wants
Huh? What is it you think Scott wants? The guy is puttering along specifically because he has no drive. I don't remember him ever expressing a desire to have a nightclub and a bunch of frozen exes.
In what way to Stills or fricking KIM "stop" Scott from doing anything? What in the living frick are you talking about?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Once again rushing but basically >what does Scott want?
Scott wants to not be alone >how to Stephen and Kim, and Neil, and Wallace and Stacey and you get the point stop him?
They regularly talk things out with him and stop Scott from going too far. Like how Kim pulled him into the sabbatical or how Stacey had a heart to heart with him.
Without that support network, Gideon falls into obsession with the past, collecting exes in the vain hope they will be his companions in his lonely life
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He wants to not be alone
Horseshit, but even if we accept that as his drive (homie what?) how does that relate to Gideon who is described as a shut in that drives people away? He doesn't want the exes as companions, they're fricking frozen, he wants them as trophies.
You're pulling all of this from your gaping goatse-sized butthole
6 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks for making my point exactly clear.
Amazing how usually villains who search for a specific goal get the opposite of their desire
6 months ago
Anonymous
>That doesn't make sense, isn't supported by the text, and is still missing the key element of relation needed for it to even be a full case for what you said >"Thanks for proving my point!"
Why do the people in these threads seem to be missing a chromosome
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because I sold one of mine to Andrew Hussie
6 months ago
Anonymous
You know what. I think we have actually lost the meaning of this conversation
I mean, wasn’t this supposed to be an argument over Julie? Not that I’m calling you out here. I’m equally guilty of losing the plot
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He doesn't want the exes as companions, they're fricking frozen, he wants them as trophies.
He wants them to love him. They're only frozen until the day he can wake them all up to go out with him, probably through him mindfricking them the same way he did Scott.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That would still make them trophies
He's just feeding his narcissism
This is also completely besides the topic, which is: in what way is Gideon a dark reflection of Scott? Their only connecting thread is Ramona. If someone wants to say "he's scott if scott had drive/success/no friends!" They need to show their work.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon you responded to. I just wanted to correct the idea that he doesn't want them as companions. He does want them as companions. Pretty much in the same way as a person would have a trophy wife, but that's still a companion.
If I had to find some reasoning from that anon's logic though, it's probably because Scott only understands Gideon from reflecting on his own relationship frick ups. But where Scott wants to be better and improve aka being good, Gideon doesn't give a shit aka staying bad. That's admittedly one hell of a loose argument, but that's the only thing that would ever justify the surface level argument that Gideon is some form of evil Scott.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I’m kinda in a rush so I won’t go too far into it, but basically Gideon and Todd and very similar characters in that they ask the question of “what if Scott got everything he ever wanted before his character development”
Gideon however, has no friends and no desire to make them. He is Scott with power and money but completely isolated in his own problems, acting entirely on impulse without any Kim or Stephen to stop him
You have projected so much on the comic that you might as well have written a new character
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott
That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad. The whole reason he was bad was because he was refusing to accept Nega Scott. You're just incapable of following themes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad
There is no "Scott without him" >The whole reason he was bad was because he was refusing to accept Nega Scott. You're just incapable of following themes.
Ironic coming from someone taking Nega Scott so literally
moron
6 months ago
Anonymous
>There is no "Scott without him"
Scott without him is the guy who selectively forgot his past mistakes to not think about them which led to him making the same mistakes again. >Ironic coming from someone taking Nega Scott so literally
This coming from the guy calling him Evil Scott? Dumbass.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Scott didn't have nega scott with him at literally all times
Lmao
You're a fricking moron my guy
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Scott didn't have nega scott with him at literally all times
Well, yes? Why did you think the emotional climax was him accepting him and remembering everything he chose to forget? Are you that incapable of following a story?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon
Nega Scott is a part of Scott
Not accepting him doesn't mean he wasn't there
You may have schizophrenia
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oh I understand now, you're an autistic dumbass. When I said "Scott without him", I did not mean Nega Scott did not exist. I meant that Scott was not accepting him as himself which is why it manifested into a separate being in his mind. I did not think I had to explain this simple plot point but here we are.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh shit better pivot
Too bad for you I can scroll up
>He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott
That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad. The whole reason he was bad was because he was refusing to accept Nega Scott. You're just incapable of following themes.
>He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott >That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad.
You're moronic.
Final (you)
6 months ago
Anonymous
What pivot? My point from the beginning was that Nega Scott is not "Evil Scott". Why are you so stupid?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Scott didn't have nega scott with him at literally all times
Well, yes? Why did you think the emotional climax was him accepting him and remembering everything he chose to forget? Are you that incapable of following a story?
>There is no "Scott without him"
Scott without him is the guy who selectively forgot his past mistakes to not think about them which led to him making the same mistakes again. >Ironic coming from someone taking Nega Scott so literally
This coming from the guy calling him Evil Scott? Dumbass.
filthy dumb ESL scum
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Nega Scott is all the bad shit Scott does.
He isn't. He's just Scott forgetting his mistakes given physical form. The comics outright says this. Nega Scott isn't a creation from cheating on Knives, nor from beating up Simon Lee, which are examples of Scott doing bad things that have nothing to do with him forgetting his faults. The resolution of his fight with Nega Scott makes this plain as day when he absorbs Nega Scott then says "I remember everything".
6 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks. What I meant is that Gideon is a dark reflection of Scott in the same way that Todd is. Only to a greater extent
6 months ago
Anonymous
Do you really think the anon that started by pointing out that their characters share nothing in common thought you meant he was a literal clone of Scott?
I know what you fricking meant, so far you've done nothing to support it.
Tell me how you see Scott and Gideon's characters being inversions. Use your fricking words. What do they share? What's the key difference that makes them inversions? Give me an actual interpretation and not a naked assertion.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes, you're quite literally reading too much into this.
Seems to me you just lack literacy. >Evil Scott is just Nega Scott.
Except Nega Scott wasn't evil. If he was, Scott accepting him would be a bad thing.
Bryan Lee O'Malley and Netflix would have made more money by adapting the comic series accurately in S1, then doing this Ramona Rebuild shit for S2. They could have tried to capture the new zoomer and gen alpha audience in S1 while still pleasing the original core fanbase-then once they have all these new fans, have S2 be this Ramona alt-universe crap.
BLOM is too much of a homosexual to be a smart businessman
He said in an ign interview that adapting the comics would be like "creative death," which tells you how self-important and pretentious the guy is.
He's an idiot. If Netflix was throwing money at him, he should have gone for a straight adaption of S1 to get a new audience and sell more books, then do S2 as the Ramona rebuild. He could have used S1 to fix all the things he didn't like about the original series and make it more appropriate for new zoomer and gen alpha audience and current year.
But then they'd rehash a bunch of story beats from the year before instead of 2013 and it'd be boring as frick.
The comics have never been adapted accurately in animated form. This was his only chance for it to ever happen and now it won't ever happen.
>If you just beat-for-beat adapt Scott Pilgrim as season 1 (a terrible idea because those six volumes have got more than 8 episodes of story), then you're not doing references or callbacks to something people liked 13 years ago, you're calling back to something people liked the year before, and Takes Off would be weaker for it. It benefits from its distance from the original works.
You assume the whole world is well-versed in Scott Pilgrim deep lore. They aren't. S2 requires knowledge of Scott Pilgrim deep lore to truly appreciate. The show should have been designed to introduce Scott Pilgrim to a new generation, not wank off the old fans.
>I want New Thing to be made worse so that I can re-live Old Thing
You still have old thing, you crybaby. You can go back to it any time. You just want more because you're a greedy child.
And again, even if you got an adaptation, you'd be ITT b***hing that it didn't meet your 13-year-old expecations, because how the frick could anything?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you seething this hard? Are you BLOM? If so then frick off you pretentious one-hit-wonder. If not why are you mad at all?
I wanted old thing animated. It looked like I was getting it. The rug was pulled. Disappointment and annoyance are perfectly normal responses.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You were told from the start you weren't getting a straight adaptation, so you've basically been waiting months to come onto Cinemaphile and b***h about everything that got changed from the source material. Your disappointment and annoyance are irrelevant because they only could have been avoided by degrees, not altogether. No matter what you got, you were going to be miserable.
You feel entitled to be a b***h, that's what makes me seethe.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You were told from the start you weren't getting a straight adaptation
Stopped reading here
Takes Off is a re-whatever of the original story, it's full of parallels, callbacks, reused lines, the same things happening in different context.
If you just beat-for-beat adapt Scott Pilgrim as season 1 (a terrible idea because those six volumes have got more than 8 episodes of story), then you're not doing references or callbacks to something people liked 13 years ago, you're calling back to something people liked the year before, and Takes Off would be weaker for it. It benefits from its distance from the original works.
>It's only 8 episodes!
Netflix gave them carte-blanche, 8 episodes was their decision not a mandate >It's the same beats!
Not even fricking remotely. >There are callbacks!
Yeah, and with a proper adaptation first the new viewers might actually get them >I-it works better when no one remembers what's being called back to!
That's stupid. You're being stupid. Stop that.
You can like the new show all you want (it's bad) but don't bullshit me and pretend an actual adaptation can't work.
>I-it works better when no one remembers what's being called back to!
You're right, that is stupid. Because that's not what I said and you had to deliberately misrepresent my argument to make yourself feel smart. I hope you enjoyed that fleeting pathetic moment.
I said that Takes Off benefits from the time apart from what it's making references to. Callbacks to Season 1 of a show and just doing the same shit again would be dull as dishwater. So Scott would go through the seven exes and then, what? In season two Ramona does the exact same thing? Riveting.
The fact that it's been 13 years since we saw Scott go through the exes means that seeing Ramona do it is in fact something novel. It wouldn't be if it was just season two doing season one again.
The worst part is, even if you got what you're asking for, you'd likely still be ITT b***hing about it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>So Scott would go through the seven exes and then, what? In season two Ramona does the exact same thing? Riveting.
It might have been riveting if that's what Ramona actually did.
6 months ago
Anonymous
This entire post is predicated on the moronic idea that the stories are at all the same. They're not. Watching one before the other wouldn't diminish the new story.
New viewers not knowing what the callbacks are does.
You're kind of moronic
6 months ago
Anonymous
>story where guy goes through seven evil exes to get girl >story where girl goes through seven evil exes to get guy
Not at all the same. They're literally structured an ex per episode with 8 being the conclusion.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, my mistake, Episode 1 is the setup. Episode 2 focuses on Patel, episode 3 on Roxy, Episode 4 on Lucas, 5 on Todd, 6 on Gideon and 7 reveals the Katayanagi Twins were behind it all, then 8 is the conclusion.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ramona only went through 5 though. She never had to confront the twins to know if they have anything to do with Scott's disappearance.
Furthermore, you're drastically painting the premise in broad strokes by using the term "goes through" when they operate very differently.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Bro the Scott Pilgrim story is very basically the Hero's Journey. The verb "goes through" here describes the Road of Trials stage, which is basically the guts of the plot of any conventional story. It's the part where the stuff happens. That different stuff happens during that particuar part of two identically structured stories is, at most, an aesthetic difference. It's window dressing.
And The Twins were always non-characters. In Takes Off they're at least revealed to be major players.
6 months ago
Anonymous
But that's the thing. Ramona's journey isn't about overcoming trials at all. The only time she's tested is with Roxie. Everyone else was a glorified "go to NPC>talk" quest.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ramona's quest is a mystery story because she mentions she likes Columbo.
Scott quest is a video game quest with bosses and shit because he likes video games.
It's not that deep bro.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not that deep bro.
Shallow even.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Dude no one should ever do the hero's journey again
have a nice day
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not even remotely what I said. Are you that same anon without reading comprehension from earlier?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>that's not what I said!
Either you're full of shit or you didn't read the reply chain before butting in, either way have a nice day
6 months ago
Anonymous
>these stories aren't structured the same! >"yes they are, they both follow the heroes journey." >"so you're saying nobody should ever do the heroes journey again???" >"no, you're an idiot" >"no u!!!!!!"
Cinemaphile. Home of intelligent debate.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oops, you forgot the first part! >You can't tell two similarly structured stories, they couldn't have adapted first then done this version!
So it was you not reading the chain before responding.
Kill. Your. Self.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, moron. The repeititve nature of it would've been due to the structure, not the repeating characters, scenarios, motivations and jokes.
That's why if you watch Lord of the Rings and Star Wars back to back you burst into flames, everybody knows this!
Again, it's easy to be right when you misrepresent another's argument.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it'd be really damning if the argument was that they're the same and it wouldn't work because of structure
hey what's this over here:
>story where guy goes through seven evil exes to get girl >story where girl goes through seven evil exes to get guy
Not at all the same. They're literally structured an ex per episode with 8 being the conclusion.
>They're literally structured an ex per episode with 8 being the conclusion.
You make me sick.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>repeating characters, motivations
yes, as we all know people hate any show that has the same cast for more than 8 episodes >scenarios, and jokes
the scenarios in this are new and the jokes are callbacks specifically for people that know the old content
You're so desperate to discount the value of an animated version of the comics that you're twisting yourself into knots.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The verb "goes through" here describes the Road of Trials stage
Ramona went through no trials. >And The Twins were always non-characters.
So make them characters? Why is this the defense for the sloppy writing? All you did was make them a plot device again.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Ramona went through no trials.
Generally speaking, the investigation part of a whodunnit is considered a trial. Again, it just wasn't a physical trial on par with Scott's because he's into video game boss battles and she isn't.
>So make them characters?
And change the SOURCE MATERIAL????? What if autists like you piss and moan like you're doing now????
No, it's not great writing, but it's a slight improvement over similarly bad writing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Generally speaking, the investigation part of a whodunnit is considered a trial. Again, it just wasn't a physical trial on par with Scott's because he's into video game boss battles and she isn't.
Not when the investigation is just "Did you do it?" "No" repeated and there is no conflict. It wasn't an emotional trial either. The only one to push Ramona like that was Roxie. Everyone else was just a short conversation with most of the runtime just wasting time with filler nonsense. >And change the SOURCE MATERIAL????? What if autists like you piss and moan like you're doing now????
If you want to sell the premise that its about fleshing out the side characters, then yeah. Why act like you care about the source material now? Cause it's convenient?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Ramona only went through 5 though.
Let's be real, she only went through 2.
>If you just beat-for-beat adapt Scott Pilgrim as season 1 (a terrible idea because those six volumes have got more than 8 episodes of story), then you're not doing references or callbacks to something people liked 13 years ago, you're calling back to something people liked the year before, and Takes Off would be weaker for it. It benefits from its distance from the original works.
You assume the whole world is well-versed in Scott Pilgrim deep lore. They aren't. S2 requires knowledge of Scott Pilgrim deep lore to truly appreciate. The show should have been designed to introduce Scott Pilgrim to a new generation, not wank off the old fans.
>S2 requires knowledge of Scott Pilgrim deep lore to truly appreciate.
It really doesn't though. What "deep knowledge" do you require to be able to appreciate takes off when it just mixes and matches from the comics and the movies to tell a plain whodunit story? It doesn't do shit like the glow, or the whole sex bobomb yeti vs K twins dragon, or nega scott or gideon fricking with Scott's memories.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It really doesn't though. What "deep knowledge" do you require to be able to appreciate takes off when it just mixes and matches from the comics and the movies to tell a plain whodunit story?
None of it makes sense if you haven't seen the movie and read the comics. It is not a good jumping on point for new fans which is what it should have been
6 months ago
Anonymous
The comics and movies don't make it make any more sense if you've read/watched those though.
But again, for the sake of giving this argument any semblance of truth, please say what parts exactly don't make sense unless you've read/watched previous material?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The original source material doesnt make any more sense than the anime sequel to the movie.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's not an anime sequel to the movie grognard.
It's its own thing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Its own thing >Needs older Scott from the movie in order to work >It's still an adaptation of the story in the comic
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's not Older Scott from the movie.
Older Scott is anime Scott if he didn't kidnap himself.
At no point in the movie do the twins have their own robot (comics only). Nor does Gideon have a kamehameha (comics only). Nor Lucas doing skateboardfu (anime only).
For a board that's been inundated with shit like What-ifs, multiverses, and elsewords, it's fricking hilarious how the Scott Pilgrim anime is apparently the one thing that can't be it's own thing and needs to be connected to other media for some insane reason.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it's fricking hilarious how the Scott Pilgrim anime is apparently the one thing that can't be it's own thing and needs to be connected to other media for some insane reason
Not really an insane reason when the writer himself tells people to read the comic/watch the movie if they're confused.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You mean the same writer that said the anime is it's own thing?
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's what makes it so funny. He wants it to be its own thing but also knows it doesn't hold up on its own.
6 months ago
Anonymous
But it does.
No one has yet to provide a situation in the anime that actually needs the comics/movie to make it work.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The entire episode one "twist" is predicated entirely on meta knowledge of the original and advertising telling you it's an adaptation of the comics.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not really. Without knowledge of the comics/movie you just see it as "wow this guy that looks to be the main character died."
6 months ago
Anonymous
>n-nuh uh!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Scoff with gifs all you want. Acting like you're the prince of persia and going "no no, that's not how it happened" is irrelevant to the episode in question.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>But it does.
Apparently not if you have to read the comic or watch the movie to get it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>No one has yet to provide a situation in the anime that actually needs the comics/movie to make it work.
Which means that everyone has already provided these
O'Malley even said "if you're confused watch the movie"
6 months ago
Anonymous
>you need to be well-versed in Scott Pilgrim lore >e.g, watching a movie
Who in the modern day gives a frick about Scott Pilgrim? You couldn't market a fresh adaptation to "new watchers" because it was a niche thing 15 fricking years ago that depended very much on the humor of its times. You either build on the fandom you have or don't make it.
part of me fricking hates that all this good animation and artistry went to waste cause Bryan a fricking homosexual and went with a bait and switch and another "alTeRnAte UnIVeRISE" story shtick instead of just adapting the comic, then should've spent it on doing alternate reality story telling
>Good animation
Good illustration. Let's be very fricking clear here.
The drawing is great, the animation is mid to bad, even the "sakuga." It's all super choppy and lacks weight and the fights lack any sense of where the characters are in space.
part of me fricking hates that all this good animation and artistry went to waste cause Bryan a fricking homosexual and went with a bait and switch and another "alTeRnAte UnIVeRISE" story shtick instead of just adapting the comic, then should've spent it on doing alternate reality story telling
Also long scenes that are just people playing music where the instruments on screen aren't synced to the score is a cardinal sin.
Anyone have pics of middle aged Ramona? She is hotter than 20-30 something Ramona, having a fat ass with age lines also helps make her more attractive.
My thought on SPTO is as follows >wait a minute, that voice is familiar >Kevin McDonald?????
that's about it.
I will return when I formulate a new thought.
Funny thing, even if I didn’t ship them, still think they could’ve had sparks but the sparks wouldn’t have shown up then.
Sparks only show up in special soulmate moments, and the kiss happened after a rough and awful battle that left everyone emotionally drained. The vibe was simply not right for sparks
I’m halfway through pencilling a 24 page comic about them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Shit bro you work fast. Don't you have a job?
6 months ago
Anonymous
When I say pencils, I mean just rough sketches. I put in 24 hours last weekend, 16 hours so far this weekend, got dizzy and kind of sick after an all-nighter though so I’m taking it easy today. Probably won’t be done until at least Christmas, honestly.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Dude I've been planning a project of 7x22 pagers for a year and was gonna take another year to prep for it. I have nothing but bullshit sketches.
I, at 28, was shocked that BLOM had finished his first GN at 24. Your work ethic has put that in perspective, it's crazy admirable. Take a break and enjoy yourself, you've done an amazing amount of work.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I’m 32. I’m older than O’Malley was when he finished Scott Pilgrim, and been trying (and failing) to get my own project off the ground for like 4 years. Some bad shit set me back, but the lack of work ethic is the only thing stopping me from being where I want to be, so I guess I’m overcompensating now.
Anyway, I’ll shill real quick. I’m on Threads @jodyjamesbrenton
6 months ago
Anonymous
Good luck man, I definitely understand what you're going through. Bad relationship shit had me flunk uni at 23 and then the indie zine I was putting out at 25 had its money stolen by my co-editor. I don't trust enough to collab so yes I'm very much also trying to build myself from scratch. I wish you the absolute best of luck dude.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I’m 32. I’m older than O’Malley was when he finished Scott Pilgrim, and been trying (and failing) to get my own project off the ground for like 4 years. Some bad shit set me back, but the lack of work ethic is the only thing stopping me from being where I want to be, so I guess I’m overcompensating now.
Anyway, I’ll shill real quick. I’m on Threads @jodyjamesbrenton
I'm in a similar boat. The SP Storytime threads sorta rekindled my will to make comics so I dug out a story I had started in 2016 but put away because i felt too immature to make it and it all feels like second nature now.
Good luck to the both of you 🙂
6 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
I'm in a similar boat. The SP Storytime threads sorta rekindled my will to make comics so I dug out a story I had started in 2016 but put away because i felt too immature to make it and it all feels like second nature now.
Good luck to the both of you 🙂
It's a skill like anything else anon, the sooner you start the better
6 months ago
Anonymous
There is literally nothing stopping you.
Not everyone at their skill peak will able to produce art like that. Yes art is a skill, but the amount that a person can improve that skill is not infinite. Not everyone has the potential to be a great artist, most will fail even if they put in the work.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That’s quitter talk. And nobody peaks unless they give up. Being too self-critical is a sign of greatness, you just gotta believe.
It was more like an alternate sequel, with O'Malley's divorce fetish he got from getting divorced. It's fine though, he's writing what he knows, I liked Seconds.
---SPOILER ALERT--- >give a chance to west >it's Scott Pilgrim, it's woke enough >ofc the only black character is badass and benevolent >ofc its the independent strong roastie woman that is the mc >ofc the hetero white man is the villain >ofc its the independent strong roastie woman that beats the villain >oh west
That ending "i choose myself" wtf, wasnt Ramona thinking about herself all the time she dumped someone? If she said something like "this time i will choose you, Scott" it would be good. A good ending.
Even the older Ramona is hard to sympathize: >asked for space >to SCOTT >he obeys >then wants him to invade her space >WITHOUT telling him (it's f*cking SCOTT)
Doenst she realised that she had him in the palm of her hand and how hard headed he is ofc he would respect she asking him for space. Then: >proceeds to tell he is the man of her life. >tells him she don't give him a chance.
Even tho he was in reclusion and she probably was doing other men or drama on the Internet.
nta but theres a couple background blacks at least, like Lucas Lee's agent.
there are less black people than the original comics, even. IIRC the only one that ever talks is Scott's manager at the vegan restaurant and she's not here for obvious reasons
It was interesting to watch as a total spin off thing, and it looked gorgeous, but the story itself was meh.
Despite Ramona basically being made into the main character, she felt like less of a real person than she did in the comics. Especially since her whole issue of being someone who runs away from her problems/stubbornly refusing to seriously reflect on herself is just sort of erased up until the end of the last episode, where its solved in about 10 seconds anyway.
Also it made Scotts friends (especially Wallace) come across as huge buttholes who didn't really give a shit about Scott, not only because none of them aside from Stephen and sort-of Knives seemed to care at all that he died, but also because they all just act so blasé/uncaring about him being potentially alive, to the point where the girl who went on a date with him ONE time has to do 90% of the work finding out what happened to him while they frick around and do nothing.
>not only because none of them aside from Stephen and sort-of Knives seemed to care at all that he died
Well they got over it pretty quickly to suck up to Envy, Scott's cheating ex, and Matthew, the one who they thought killed him at first
Also, gotta be honest, it felt nice that for a change Scott's friends weren't stuck having to bend over backwards to still be friends with him despite him being a jerk, or inconsiderate, or a cheater, or all the things he did in the comics that makes you go; >Why are they still friends with this guy?
I full get that Scott was a dick sometimes, but they WERE still all friends with him regardless, when you see people like Wallace and Kim just casually brush off Scott’s death/potential kidnapping it just comes across as jarring. Even if they complain, they still cared about him in the comics and would want to help him.
Again, the fact that Ramona, who only went on one date with the guy, is more concerned about him than the friends he’s known for literal years, it just comes across as kind of insulting to the original comic characters.
Anon's point was asking why they were even still friends with him. Which isn't really an invalid question to ask. How long would you board and feed someone who has parents that would readily pay for an apartment for him, who seemingly has no kind of family drama with said parents, in an apartment that you yourself are paying rent for? Can you see yourself doing it for the better part of a year? How long until you ask them to either look for a job or do something to pitch in as compensation for your financial contribution to where the two of you are currently living?
That doesn’t really have anything to do with the show though. We know from the comics that even at his lowest and shittiest moments, his friends still care about him in their own way and want him to get better. In the show he outright DIES before any of that worst shit even happens and yet they all seem content with not giving a single shit and/or acting like he never existed
Wasn’t it established that people respawn at least once in this universe?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not really, Scott getting an extra life was a rare occurance, and even when he died the first time some of them took it seriously since they forgot about his extra.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Then why the funeral?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ran out of lives. Also, it probably doesn't work on old age.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Ran out of lives
He's never died before.
6 months ago
Anonymous
As far as we know.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to make up things to make their plot work.
6 months ago
Anonymous
he never loses
6 months ago
Anonymous
Just from observing the anime vs the comics/movie, in the anime you respawn until you start dropping coins. Once you drop coins you're dead.
At least, that's my take on death in the anime because they threw a funeral and believed Scott dead when they saw coins drop, but when Even Older Scott killed the exes + sex bob-omb none of them dropped any coins and respawned in the theater.
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People always claim that adaptations don't affect comic sales, but I've seen more Scott Pilgrim threads over the last couple weeks than I have the last couple years.
Again, do you really think threads on Cinemaphile of all things mean much of anything in terms of popularity or comparison to real world sales of the comic?
If anyone needs a magnet link for the torrent with the Japanese audio because nyaa etc keeps taking down Scott Pilgrim Takes Off for no reason and normie sites only have the dub
>English Audio is the original that was recorded first, the animation was sync’d to the English VAs, Japanese dub was done afterwards, and the entire series exists because the English cast became friends on the set of the movie and stayed in touch afterwards. >There are still weeaboos so deep in their ruts that they think the Japanese dub is the correct and authentic experience.
It’s like Castlevania Season 1 all over again.
I don’t think the Japanese dub is the authentic experience. I just think the English movie cast are shit at dubbing and most likely got bad voice direction as well, which just made the English version horrible to listen to.
I don't like watching/reading shit like this because it makes me seethe in rage that I'll never have what Scott has (a huge group of friends, girlfriend or girlfriends, social life)
Then don't worry about it, you're only as old as Young Neil, and none of these characters hardly have their shit together in any capacity.
The years after high school going into young adult-age are the ones that are the most nebulous and strange.
You'll find your place, anon.
It’s really panels like this that emphasize Knives’s relative youth and even immaturity compared to the rest of the crew. In this panel, she’s literally and figuratively trying to “fit in” with the adults at the table. Whether this was even intentional, it does open up that ability for interpretation.
I felt really bad for her during the beach trip, the way they (mostly Julie though) treated her made it clear how much the group just kind of saw her as 'the kid who tagged along', rather than an actual part of the friend group.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Well now she’s taken over Sex Bob-Omb and is piloting it into being a genuine success, so happy ending?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not only that, but she helped create a successful musical that premiered on Broadway and won 27 Tony Awards, and began producing songs with Envy Adams.
I’d say she got a happy ending.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Who gets bigger first in the 00s music industry from Toronto: Drake or Knives?
Try 25 little homie. Given I'm a lot better than I was when I was your age. My advice would be to be more active in finding people you mesh well with and make it clear that you want them to stick around, think of it as building a strong web. You're in the age range where people are losing contact with their highschool friends and are trying to find a place where they fit in so it's a great time. No clue what the hell I'm going to do since people my age have other priorities and I'd feel weird being the notably older person in a group but i'll figure it out
I was molested and raped by my babysitter's 11 year old son when I was 5. My only real girlfriend in HS cheated on me and told several friends. People are more trouble than we're worth, trust me. We always make things worse eventually.
i don't know why they made her a taylor swift parody when the original envy is clearly supposed to be like Siouxie Sioux or Courtney Love type of famous
This show reminded me of when early 2000’s 2D animated movies would use 3D CGI alongside it, because all of the settings and props were noticeably like that.
Its not an adaptation at all, its a spinoff/what-if. It's pretty good though so whatever, I liked it.
I can see other comic lovers being pissed we didn't get a proper adaptation again but at least it doesn't try pretend to be one past the surprise twist in episode one and just does entirely its own thing with the cast and story. Makes it way easier to accept than something like the FF7 Remake that's some sorta-remake sorta-sequel sorta-what if shit.
It was a bad adaptation because it only follows the original story for most of the first episode and then it throws the original story into the fricking stratosphere and becomes some weird sequel/alterative time line thing but it's a good show.
For a board that constantly shat on Scott Pilgrim and anyone that liked it for 10+ years or so you guys can somehow manage to have indepth discussions about
You can. The genes that affect the color of the hair on your head and the one that determines the color of your eyebrows are different, as is the genes that determine the color of the hair on your body.
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-natural-blonde-have-black-eyebrows
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/e9sp2e/why_do_blonde_people_have_brown_eyebrows/
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/what-do-you-do-when-your-eyebrows-dont-match-your-natural-haircolor-help.678479/
Like Todd Ingram said, maybe if you knew the science...
Probably not, there's a handful of other characters in the series who have black eyebrows despite having a different hair color. I think its just a stylistic choice.
No
Of course not.
ah I see someone has no taste
No. 6/10 anime, felt more like a Tatami Galaxy/Scott Pilgrim crossover than an actual Scott Pilgrim show.
>tatami galaxy Without having to read 192739266 lines of text per second
Fricking sold
For best results, watch the JP dub.
>watch the original JP cast
Well of course, why wouldn't I?
It says English is the original language though
>being this much of an illiterate brainlet
Thank god I’m not stupid enough to get filtered this hard since I can read
this much of an illiterate brainlet
>Thank god I’m not stupid enough to get filtered this hard since I can read
My brother, you have my axe *guitar riff*!!!FACT!!!
>a visual medium needs words words words
lol
The words being there doesn't hamper the quality of it being a visual medium. This isn't like manga where more words means less space for drawings.
As long as you aren't a moron who can't read subtitles and watch at the same time, then you can enjoy both the dialogue and the visuals to their fullest.
galaxy Without having to read 192739266 lines of text per second
>Fricking sold
Sorry that a masterpiece like The Tatami Galaxy's subs are too fast for speds like you!!!FACT!!!
The ugly show where the protag talks super fast that I dropped after 5 minutes?
How are they similar?
Same staff and same plot
Also the TG isn't ugly at all
It's not an adaptation.
>licensed the Scott Pilgrim brand to develop a show based on the Scott Pilgrim brand
>not an adaptation
Dumbest post here.
But it isn't one, it's a weird sequal/elseword thing. Also it apparently sucks and I don't want to waste my time on checking the truth of that.
it is a sequel, written by the original author
It's neither a straight adaptation nor a straight sequel by literal definition. I'd call it a reimagining more than anything.
This is just gay semantics anyway.
why is he so perfect
Cause you're a man
Because you've got a really sucky taste in men, Ramona.
He perfectly balances between being a terrible person and frickable enough to be forgiven
Depends on what you mean by "adaption" but yes. What we ended up getting was literally the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run, there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length.
>What we ended up getting was literally the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run
No. Even if you kept the premise exactly the same, it would be much stronger if it focused on the actual secondary cast instead of the exes. Cut Patel's fight with Gideon. Cut Gideon's shit with Julie and Lucas. Cut the fricking movie and musical. Cut the fricking funeral musical number. Cut the "United States of Whateva" sequence.
us of whatever skating sequence is like the best scene of the whole fricking show
>Cut the best action sequence of the entire show.
>Cut Gideon’s character arc
>Cut the main plot thread of the entire series.
>Cut the scene of Envy literally dancing on Scott’s grave
>Cut the best sequences from the best episode.
You’re either trying to start a fight or completely fricking moronic. Get a lobotomy.
>What we ended up getting was literally the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run
Not even close, but you're free to be as wrong as you want.
>there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length.
Bullshit.
>for an 8-episode run, there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length.
that's about 37 minutes per issue of the original comic, it would have been fine
I like how there's only 2 options, a straight adaptation or the hackjob we have now.
Netflix Castlevania fans in a nutshell.
>the best thing that could have happened for an 8-episode run, there's literally no way a straight-up adaption of the comics would have been satisfying at that length
Then it's bad.
"Good for being a piece of shit" still means you've got a piece of shit.
It wasn't an adaptation
I wish they had stuck to the original story
Scott Pilgrim was never good, you only liked it because you were 13 when you first read it.
The movie is good still
>Scott Pilgrim was never good
>says this while posting a picture of an irrelevant asocial neet
I read it like a couple of weeks ago for the first time. It was pretty good.
advanced
he's clearly intermediate
It's about the arc/curve, not the head positioning.
Is Wallace capable of that as well?
>Knives: Beginner
>Scott: Intermediate
>Ramona: Advanced
>Wallace: Expert
Imagine having sex like an oongu bunga
I want to frick Scott in that exact position
i want that twink Obliterated
why are women not attracted to scott
Bland design, "nice guy" personality (a geek who pretends he's different from other guys but is actually just as much of an butthole), the fact that he dated a 17 year old. And I guess him being a manprostitute is also not in his favor, believe it or not but women do care about that stuff too
You missed the entire point. He's not a geek, he's a CHAD who PRETENDS to be a geek.
For example when Ramona asks him if School for Gifted Children is from Sonic the Hedgehog, he isn't sure
He pretends to be a nerd to appear endearing so that people can easily forgive his mistakes. But the plot of the comic is that all of his actions are catching up on him and he has to own it to them.
anon in the comics he goes on info dumps about magyk and the outback x-men shit
Scott is a nerd but he is one of those nerds who had a more balanced life growing up and stopped giving a shit about nerdy stuff outside of the things he grew up with.
I have a cousin like that, currently he is a athletic charismatic globetrotter but if you asked him the genealogy of the elves in The Lord of the Rings he could likely tell you all about it because he grew up reading those books and obsessing over the films, ask him about any video game, fiction book, or movie beyond the surface level released post 2013 and he would have nothing to say.
Scott is a genetic prettyboy/semichad who has a lot of nerdy knowledge but is also an butthole.
I know a guy similar to him, only difference he's not a looker, but he's very lean, tall and toned, athletic but also has encyclopedic knowledge in mainstream nerdy subjects like dnd.
Cera is not good looking enough to pull off Scott.
Cera is hot to women for some reason
You'd be shocked at the amount of women who wanted to frick Cera back in 2010. He banged Aubrey Plaza
But they are, multiple women are attracted to him
They are canonically. Several of them.
He’s design appeals more to men and the aspect of taming his bratty and shitty behavior especially appeals to men more then females
Uncultured take. He's made for Ramona's strap.
Scott is a wild but subby bisexual.
How is he wild... He's like a puppy
He's wild when topped.
Cute!
he's literally me fr
Are you female?
Any woman who wants to peg men genuinely and not just because her bf wants it is so malebrained she might as well be a man
>malebrained
If you know then I know too
okay groomer
Not that anon, but this isn't the case necessarily. I'm not a pooner, I'm a deranged man with a penis who reads a pooner thread once or twice on my bi-annual incursions onto /lgbt/ from my home boards, /trash/ /mlp/ /misc/ and Cinemaphile
Fellas is it gay for women to want to have sex with men?
>He's made for Ramona's strap.
Wow, just like the movie set.
Scott Pilgrim Movie had some nice boobies
Futa Ramona when
is this real
Nah bro she doesn't have a dick.
How would Scott respond to corrective rape?
Would get his shit together
Just 5 of them.
If your talking IRL then its because of his flaky behavior, loud personality, and relationship with knives.
If you want a real answer, it's because the series isn't made for women, it's a romance fantasy for men. It's like asking why men aren't attracted to Bella from Twilight.
are women attracted to Bella from Twilight?
Lesbians love Kristen Stewart, and Kristen Stewart loves them right back.
Why arent men attracted to edward ahd jacob from twilight?
What’s the comic book equal to this post? I would say Peter Parker but he’s Spider Man and a genius so and doesn’t look bad in the comics co
It’s a male fantasy
They are, my girlfriend literally asked me to cosplay Scott Pilgrim so she could frick me in the costume, believe me when I say they're very horny for this himbo.
>Wallace doesn't frick Scott in the ass
Waste of a series.
>implying
He needs a spanking.
It's not an adaptation, it's more of an Elseworld. Pretty good series, but don't expect an actual adaptation
No
>Is it good as it's own thing
Mostly yeah
>Is it good as a companion to the original work
EEEEEHHHHHHHHHH
I really think it would’ve been better as a second season companion piece. Scott pilgrim is over 15 years old, kids today would’ve probably been more receptive to it being a straight adaptation of the book. Also I loved the music, but so much of it being repurposed from the game felt kinda lazy
>but so much of it being repurposed from the game felt kinda lazy
it was only 2 tracks.
This . I would have no issues if it was advertised as effectively an Elseworld or something. As an adaption it goes off the rails, but as it's own thing it's alright.
Google adaptation.
Nu Ramona is a sweetheart and I wish she was my friend
yeah she's kinda chill
I mean if you want to be friends with prostitutes the phone sex line has competitive rates.
I've read the book, but as I looked back at it. It ended up feeling dated with writing that felt like it has aged like milk.
The show itself was meh. Not because that it was a different take on the original, but the premise of having a evil organization of wealthy exes after a girl was honestly a moronic idea. As well there were bunch of unrealistically written elements such as Scott's ex taking a visit to his funeral, then throwing a full on show for herself "supposedly" to remember her ex which she describes as a small part of her life.
I stopped watching it after 3rd episode. it just didn't feel like it meshed well in its concept and execution.
>I've read the book, but as I looked back at it. It ended up feeling dated with writing that felt like it has aged like milk.
How so? Other than being a 2000's time capsule. I like time capsule stuff, like how Buffy is so extremely 90's.
Yes, and I'm glad it took a different road. I was bored out of my mind of the beat by beat during the first episode and would probably drop it by the next one had they continued doing that.
>O'malley intentionally only wrote one season because they thought they wouldnt get a s2 at netflix
cant blame him
Imma keep it real. Knowing you got one shot to do this and instead do something different with your source material is......a choice....but hey you have one shot "gotta make it count"
It's love letter to his divorced self
>It's love letter to his divorced self
I thought that's what Seconds is about
He already got an adaption
>Scott Pilgrim Takes Off
Takes off what?
his pants.
Why would he do that
To increase his Dex
So this is added onto the list of monkey paw wishes right?
No
*Salvages your shitty netflix reboot*
I miss when "moronic" was universally acceptable as a derogatory term
it still is off the internet.
It still is on non-Twitter corners of the internet
it really depends where you are
The only thing I have a problem with this show is that they made Scott flawless. Which isn't the point of the original comics.
>Changes his reasoning with Kim's break up (The thing with Simon and Lisa are gone, Scott broke up with Kim directly, makes no reason why Kim would be bitter)
>Downplays heavily Knives' involvement
>Didn't bother showing how he kept on running away from his problems (Nega Scott)
I know future Scott was that, but Future Scott was a completely different person (considering if this was comic Scott) than regular Scott due to having a different history in the show's time. I like we all know Scott had problems, but they could have shown Show Scott's flaws more.
Also Scott's "mea culpa" to Knives is equivocating bullshit, clearly showing BLOM doesn't actually buy the whole "dating high schoolers is categorically wrong" critique (and he's correct)
Scott says
>society seems to frown on dating high schoolers
Because he means Americans, not society.
In the comics it was really only Kim that gave him any kind of shit for dating Knives as an underage. Stephen and Lucas were pro underage girlfriends, Wallace only told him to break up with Knives because Scott wanted to pursue Ramona, and everyone else was varying degrees of didn't really have an opinion.
In Canada age of consent is lower than age of majority.
The same is true in the US, most states AoC is sixteen or seventeen.
If we want to get specific, in America 16 is the age of consent for majority of the nation. Only 12 states have it as 18, and only 8 has it as 17.
I think the main thing is that dating a 17 year old isn't necessarily wrong but some of the things Scott did (cheating, using her for emotional support and ignoring her otherwise) hit a lot harder when you're an adult doing them to a kid. not in a pedo way, just an butthole way
Except Kim gives Scott shit for dating a 17 year old pretty much right off the bat, before any of that stuff can even be called a thing that he does.
Why would Kim not know Scott's behavior?
Because this isn't an established behavior? Before Knives the only confirmed girlfriends Scott had are Kim and Envy. You'd have to have an established example of Scott using Envy as an emotional crutch to get over Kim or Scott doing that with any other troublesome event in his past to make the assumption that Scott doing that to Knives is "Scott's behavior".
I don't think you need to be someone's girlfriend to know they're an emotional user. That's basically the reason Stephen doesn't clue him in on the gay thing: he knows Scott's busy being all about himself as usual.
But again, Scott being an "emotional user" isn't an established behavior from every glimpse into Scott's past.
anon the story doesn't make any sense if that isn't ingrained behavior. It's not about how meeting knives and ramona turned him into a douchebag who needs to fix himself. We don't see much of his past in detail, but it's required for the plot to work that he already had his bad traits beforehand.
>anon the story doesn't make any sense if that isn't ingrained behavior
Yes, that is the problem here. Hack O'Malley writes shit that is fricked in terms of having any semblance of consistency and leaves you just assuming shit to justify his poor writing. Another example of this is why the frick Scott would let himself, to use the story's terms, "be Wallace's b***h", when his parents who he seemingly has zero issues with were willing to hook him up with his own place no strings attached.
You're right but, to be fair, being Wallace's b***h is a choice Wallace makes.
It wouldn't be as big of an issue if Scott's use of emotional crutches were ever a thing shown in the few flashbacks to his past life that we get. As it is with the story leaving us to assume that's how Scott is, anyone not willing to make that assumption just sees Kim as being a b***h.
It was never an adaptation, it was a recreation, they literally give you a completely different story focusing on other character, that is why people complain to this day, at least all of those that saw the trailer
>Was it a good adaptation?
Is not the adaptation we asked but the one we needed
I don't think anyone needed this adaptation except the VAs.
People only care about this for self-inserting and the porn
ENOUGH OF SCOTT and Wallace...
I need more Neil!!!
Agreed
Young Neil was the unsung hero of SPTO. The most gormless motherfricker alive and I love him.
Best boy!!
Where can I get this shirt?
Google says a whole bunch of places. Just look for cronenberg for president tshirt.
10 years too late
even genz hates it
>Creators have no hope of renewals anymore
Honestly, good. If you can't make a self-contained story, you suck as an author.
Not every show premise lends itself to the single-season approach. Some need time and patience to let its characters and worlds breathe. It also discourages variety in storytelling methods.
>Made the show self-contained
>Teased more at the end anyway (seriously or not)
Bros...
im just glad my wife got more media.
The humor didn't land like it does in the comics or movie, but the artstyle and animation was perfect. I dunno what happened to the music though it was almost nonexistent compared to how stack the movie and video game soundtracks are.
>Ep 4 uses Ring of Fire for the ED song
Not gonna lie, I lost my shit. Love me some Johnny Cash.
It's funny how Scott has a better arch than a lot of women, as a Canadian male.
>This is what Mansex with an experienced dominant bottom does to a mf
Wallace literally mindbroke him like this was a hentai
Why did weird al insert the homosexual kiss into the script
>bussywhipped
Who was top and who was bottom for him to end up like this?
Wallace power bottomed
Damn, look at that sissy body.
Scotty needs trap art
It was a good sequel.
no.
>23 year old
>still dresses like hes 15
Diamonds
Just finished, thought it was one of the best love stories ever told. For some reason in warmed my cold dead heart unlike anything else.
Felt like everyone but Scott learned something.
To be fair this version of Scott didn't really get character development, he just gets a bite sized version of a reality check to not become an old jaded butthole.
To be fair, Scott's flaws were absent in the series. Like, really absent. He was more of a Macguffin
The whole A-Side story is about Scott getting his shit together, with some growth and arcs for his supporting cast. This B-Side is for the rest of the underdeveloped villains to grow and change, so Scott takes a back seat to literally everyone else.
Good way to put it.
>Scott did literally nothing wrong in this universe
>All his flaws are something Young Neil's sleep paralysis demon came up with while writing his script for him
Wasn't it all but confirmed that the future timeline was the comic since the movie script Young Neil didn't write followed it all beat for beat?
No. It's it's own thing. At no point in the comics do the twins ever show an interest in being a band or doing music, yet in the future they're Scott's bandmates.
This is a sequel to the movie
Ask him why Roxie became Pepe le Pew and why it’s okay for her to do that?
It's not that either. The twins never had robots in the movies nor did Gideon have an energy beam attack.
The show is it's own thing.
But Scott's flaws and mistakes predate his relationship with Ramona and his first fight with Patel. His relationships with Lisa, Envy, Knives, Kim etc. are still fricked when he comes back from the future, and we only see him resolve his shit with Knives.
He still has to grow, he's just gonna do it in a different context now, and it wouldn't be worth showing because we have the original comic for that. We can presume it happens in a similar way with a different backdrop.
Lisa doesn't exist, in the animu he actually did save Kim and told her he was leaving, animu scott dindu nuffin which makes the animu that much worse
Considering that Kim and Scott's histories are different in the show. Why didn't Kim and Scott get back together in this version?
Kim even confirmed it that she was kidnapped by Simon, and he did tell her directly instead of knowing from Lisa, and Simon's kidnapping being a fake memory
>Different histories
Yep
So was this just them watching the adult swim pilot and the movie to make the show?
It's O'malley not remembering his own work.
Scott pilgrim takes off.. what? His clothes? Is there a sexy nude pic of OP pic?
Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is a better adaptation than you deserve (but a worse one than I deserve).
For all the talk about how every side character got loads more screen time and the exes got development. It feels like everyone already stopped talking about them, and if anything we're back to talking about the comic versions of Scott and Ramona the most. When you break it down all characters really got is some quirky moments.
I literally only come here to talk about Kim. I couldn't not care less about the other characters. The new Lucas bits were pretty funny, though.
Yet the anime brought very little to the table. Most discussion is just questioning if the character make sense here, or posting the kiss. If you just wanted some cheap look its the characters you like being wacky there are better ways to go about it. But its kinda weird for a work that shined a light on the worse side of hipster culture is now just indulging in it.
>tfw "My God..."
Chris Evans is a god damn national treasure
>"My God..."
when was that again?
Episode 3, when Lucas sees the news report about him while talking to Ramona in his trailer
They got screen time but not development
If anything they're more flat and less human than they were in the comics. It feels like the show was written while half-remembering the broadest strokes of the movie.
Can Kim ever find true love again, or is she too broken?
She isn't broken in this version. Literally, her history with Scott here isn't the same in the comics (Wherein Scott broke her heart by not telling her in person), all she is in the show is just a timid girl.
This is the only SP thread, so I meant the comic version.
Oh then, eh, she and Scott mended their shit by Volume 6. Even then that's mostly Scott, so it's up in the air but she's well enough by the end of the comic.
>Scott when the rent is due
Imo Michael Cera was a good casting.
It's the only way you could have scott do dickbag things but not hate him too much because of his "Cera-ness" During the film I really just wanted scott to improve, which of course he did
Had they casted a standard pretty boy I'd hate his guts the entire film and want him to fail.
The anime brings best of both worlds
Honestly both Michael and Mary were born to play Scott and Ramona because yeah, they have the right amount of likeable loser and laid back secretly loser girl energy. It's just the cherry on top that the visuals are also great.
Scott and Ramona were miscast. Cera plays it as too much of an awkward pussy, and instead of Ramona being this badass hipster chick she's portrayed as being too cool to be in any scene she's in or deliver much more emotion than dull surprise. Both of them act like they don't want to be in the movie and are just there to get paid.
Meanwhile, the entire supporting cast knocked it out of the park. They're all really into their roles, having a blast doing it, and even the smallest parts are giving it 100%.
Yep, Cera plays it too much as a awkward nerdy dweeb while actual Scott is nerdy but also a sociable/approachable hot guy.
And movie Ramona was just kind of bland sarcastic girl instead of someone whose actually cool/fun/mysterious. The cheap wig also made her look super ugly.
Only other actor I've ever watched that pulls off "likeable loser" like how Cera portrayed Scott is Troy Gentile with his character in The Goldbergs.
>but not hate him too much
I honestly never understand the level of visceral hatred Scott gets. Like you can understand he is a shit person without seething with anger over him. Cause really he is meant to be the same level of shit as Ramona, and while his friend group is a little better than him it is only by a few degrees for the most part. That's kind of the point. Pealing back the glossy fictional layer and seeing them as real. In that regard Cera is a bad choice. He can't do the real face of Scott but it seems like a lot of people couldn't handle that anyway.
I unirinically think that best Scott would have been Shia
>Imo Michael Cera was a good casting.
Absolutely not. Look at how many exclamation point Scott uses on any given page. He is not soft spoken, he is not soft. Cera has exactly the wrong vibe for him.
how come scott never dated Julie Powers, she literally looks like Aubrey Plaza
Her entire personality is shitting on Scott. Honestly it kind of makes sense she ends up with Gideon/Gordon.
She's in love with Scott and she's mean to him because he never really noticed her (and keeps dating her roomates/friends)
Her on-again off-again with Steven is just to be near Scott.
The animu completely botched her character
But isn’t Gideon just an evil Scott?
No?
Gideon was a narcissistic manipulative creep with a literal emotion-altering beam
Scott's just a douchey himbo with a tendency to ignore hard things and memory hole the things he's done that hurt people
>No?
Yes
You're reading an awful lot into a single gag
A gag that is only used by Scott and Gideon
Like I said, you're reading a lot into this gag.
I already outlined the characters, they don't really work as foils IMO
I'd love to hear how they're alike that doesn't involve a single use of a running joke
>You're reading an awful lot into a single gag
Am I also reading into Scott going into self-reflection of his past relationships ending with Scott saying he understood Gideon? There's a point the coincidences stop being subtle.
Yes, you're quite literally reading too much into this.
Evil Scott is just Nega Scott.
I don't think that anon meant that Gideon is literally an evil clone of Scott.
What is it about people ITT who can't read?
you people are insufferable
Nega Scott is all the bad shit Scott does. He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott, but accepting him means being able to learn from his mistakes and get better.
Gideon isn't "evil scott" mainly because they're not at all alike but also because Scott's already not "Good Scott"
I'm still waiting for an actual interpretation of Gideon and Scott's characters that makes them inversions of one another instead of this grabass bullshit.
I’m kinda in a rush so I won’t go too far into it, but basically Gideon and Todd and very similar characters in that they ask the question of “what if Scott got everything he ever wanted before his character development”
Gideon however, has no friends and no desire to make them. He is Scott with power and money but completely isolated in his own problems, acting entirely on impulse without any Kim or Stephen to stop him
>What if scott got everything he wants
Huh? What is it you think Scott wants? The guy is puttering along specifically because he has no drive. I don't remember him ever expressing a desire to have a nightclub and a bunch of frozen exes.
In what way to Stills or fricking KIM "stop" Scott from doing anything? What in the living frick are you talking about?
Once again rushing but basically
>what does Scott want?
Scott wants to not be alone
>how to Stephen and Kim, and Neil, and Wallace and Stacey and you get the point stop him?
They regularly talk things out with him and stop Scott from going too far. Like how Kim pulled him into the sabbatical or how Stacey had a heart to heart with him.
Without that support network, Gideon falls into obsession with the past, collecting exes in the vain hope they will be his companions in his lonely life
>He wants to not be alone
Horseshit, but even if we accept that as his drive (homie what?) how does that relate to Gideon who is described as a shut in that drives people away? He doesn't want the exes as companions, they're fricking frozen, he wants them as trophies.
You're pulling all of this from your gaping goatse-sized butthole
Thanks for making my point exactly clear.
Amazing how usually villains who search for a specific goal get the opposite of their desire
>That doesn't make sense, isn't supported by the text, and is still missing the key element of relation needed for it to even be a full case for what you said
>"Thanks for proving my point!"
Why do the people in these threads seem to be missing a chromosome
Because I sold one of mine to Andrew Hussie
You know what. I think we have actually lost the meaning of this conversation
I mean, wasn’t this supposed to be an argument over Julie? Not that I’m calling you out here. I’m equally guilty of losing the plot
>He doesn't want the exes as companions, they're fricking frozen, he wants them as trophies.
He wants them to love him. They're only frozen until the day he can wake them all up to go out with him, probably through him mindfricking them the same way he did Scott.
That would still make them trophies
He's just feeding his narcissism
This is also completely besides the topic, which is: in what way is Gideon a dark reflection of Scott? Their only connecting thread is Ramona. If someone wants to say "he's scott if scott had drive/success/no friends!" They need to show their work.
Not that anon you responded to. I just wanted to correct the idea that he doesn't want them as companions. He does want them as companions. Pretty much in the same way as a person would have a trophy wife, but that's still a companion.
If I had to find some reasoning from that anon's logic though, it's probably because Scott only understands Gideon from reflecting on his own relationship frick ups. But where Scott wants to be better and improve aka being good, Gideon doesn't give a shit aka staying bad. That's admittedly one hell of a loose argument, but that's the only thing that would ever justify the surface level argument that Gideon is some form of evil Scott.
You have projected so much on the comic that you might as well have written a new character
>He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott
That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad. The whole reason he was bad was because he was refusing to accept Nega Scott. You're just incapable of following themes.
>That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad
There is no "Scott without him"
>The whole reason he was bad was because he was refusing to accept Nega Scott. You're just incapable of following themes.
Ironic coming from someone taking Nega Scott so literally
moron
>There is no "Scott without him"
Scott without him is the guy who selectively forgot his past mistakes to not think about them which led to him making the same mistakes again.
>Ironic coming from someone taking Nega Scott so literally
This coming from the guy calling him Evil Scott? Dumbass.
>Scott didn't have nega scott with him at literally all times
Lmao
You're a fricking moron my guy
>Scott didn't have nega scott with him at literally all times
Well, yes? Why did you think the emotional climax was him accepting him and remembering everything he chose to forget? Are you that incapable of following a story?
Anon
Nega Scott is a part of Scott
Not accepting him doesn't mean he wasn't there
You may have schizophrenia
Oh I understand now, you're an autistic dumbass. When I said "Scott without him", I did not mean Nega Scott did not exist. I meant that Scott was not accepting him as himself which is why it manifested into a separate being in his mind. I did not think I had to explain this simple plot point but here we are.
>Oh shit better pivot
Too bad for you I can scroll up
>He is evil, specifically all the evil in Scott
>That would imply that Scott without him isn't bad.
You're moronic.
Final (you)
What pivot? My point from the beginning was that Nega Scott is not "Evil Scott". Why are you so stupid?
filthy dumb ESL scum
>Nega Scott is all the bad shit Scott does.
He isn't. He's just Scott forgetting his mistakes given physical form. The comics outright says this. Nega Scott isn't a creation from cheating on Knives, nor from beating up Simon Lee, which are examples of Scott doing bad things that have nothing to do with him forgetting his faults. The resolution of his fight with Nega Scott makes this plain as day when he absorbs Nega Scott then says "I remember everything".
Thanks. What I meant is that Gideon is a dark reflection of Scott in the same way that Todd is. Only to a greater extent
Do you really think the anon that started by pointing out that their characters share nothing in common thought you meant he was a literal clone of Scott?
I know what you fricking meant, so far you've done nothing to support it.
Tell me how you see Scott and Gideon's characters being inversions. Use your fricking words. What do they share? What's the key difference that makes them inversions? Give me an actual interpretation and not a naked assertion.
>Yes, you're quite literally reading too much into this.
Seems to me you just lack literacy.
>Evil Scott is just Nega Scott.
Except Nega Scott wasn't evil. If he was, Scott accepting him would be a bad thing.
That’s Aubrey’s interpretation.
sexy pilgrim…
Bryan Lee O'Malley and Netflix would have made more money by adapting the comic series accurately in S1, then doing this Ramona Rebuild shit for S2. They could have tried to capture the new zoomer and gen alpha audience in S1 while still pleasing the original core fanbase-then once they have all these new fans, have S2 be this Ramona alt-universe crap.
BLOM is too much of a homosexual to be a smart businessman
He said in an ign interview that adapting the comics would be like "creative death," which tells you how self-important and pretentious the guy is.
He's an idiot. If Netflix was throwing money at him, he should have gone for a straight adaption of S1 to get a new audience and sell more books, then do S2 as the Ramona rebuild. He could have used S1 to fix all the things he didn't like about the original series and make it more appropriate for new zoomer and gen alpha audience and current year.
The comics have never been adapted accurately in animated form. This was his only chance for it to ever happen and now it won't ever happen.
>I want New Thing to be made worse so that I can re-live Old Thing
You guys suck.
I didn't want new thing at all
I just liked old thing
Eat me
You still have old thing, you crybaby. You can go back to it any time. You just want more because you're a greedy child.
And again, even if you got an adaptation, you'd be ITT b***hing that it didn't meet your 13-year-old expecations, because how the frick could anything?
Why are you seething this hard? Are you BLOM? If so then frick off you pretentious one-hit-wonder. If not why are you mad at all?
I wanted old thing animated. It looked like I was getting it. The rug was pulled. Disappointment and annoyance are perfectly normal responses.
You were told from the start you weren't getting a straight adaptation, so you've basically been waiting months to come onto Cinemaphile and b***h about everything that got changed from the source material. Your disappointment and annoyance are irrelevant because they only could have been avoided by degrees, not altogether. No matter what you got, you were going to be miserable.
You feel entitled to be a b***h, that's what makes me seethe.
>You were told from the start you weren't getting a straight adaptation
Stopped reading here
If it gets people to buy the original comics, that’s a win for me.
But then they'd rehash a bunch of story beats from the year before instead of 2013 and it'd be boring as frick.
What the frick are you trying to say?
Takes Off is a re-whatever of the original story, it's full of parallels, callbacks, reused lines, the same things happening in different context.
If you just beat-for-beat adapt Scott Pilgrim as season 1 (a terrible idea because those six volumes have got more than 8 episodes of story), then you're not doing references or callbacks to something people liked 13 years ago, you're calling back to something people liked the year before, and Takes Off would be weaker for it. It benefits from its distance from the original works.
>It's only 8 episodes!
Netflix gave them carte-blanche, 8 episodes was their decision not a mandate
>It's the same beats!
Not even fricking remotely.
>There are callbacks!
Yeah, and with a proper adaptation first the new viewers might actually get them
>I-it works better when no one remembers what's being called back to!
That's stupid. You're being stupid. Stop that.
You can like the new show all you want (it's bad) but don't bullshit me and pretend an actual adaptation can't work.
>I-it works better when no one remembers what's being called back to!
You're right, that is stupid. Because that's not what I said and you had to deliberately misrepresent my argument to make yourself feel smart. I hope you enjoyed that fleeting pathetic moment.
I said that Takes Off benefits from the time apart from what it's making references to. Callbacks to Season 1 of a show and just doing the same shit again would be dull as dishwater. So Scott would go through the seven exes and then, what? In season two Ramona does the exact same thing? Riveting.
The fact that it's been 13 years since we saw Scott go through the exes means that seeing Ramona do it is in fact something novel. It wouldn't be if it was just season two doing season one again.
The worst part is, even if you got what you're asking for, you'd likely still be ITT b***hing about it.
>So Scott would go through the seven exes and then, what? In season two Ramona does the exact same thing? Riveting.
It might have been riveting if that's what Ramona actually did.
This entire post is predicated on the moronic idea that the stories are at all the same. They're not. Watching one before the other wouldn't diminish the new story.
New viewers not knowing what the callbacks are does.
You're kind of moronic
>story where guy goes through seven evil exes to get girl
>story where girl goes through seven evil exes to get guy
Not at all the same. They're literally structured an ex per episode with 8 being the conclusion.
Sorry, my mistake, Episode 1 is the setup. Episode 2 focuses on Patel, episode 3 on Roxy, Episode 4 on Lucas, 5 on Todd, 6 on Gideon and 7 reveals the Katayanagi Twins were behind it all, then 8 is the conclusion.
Ramona only went through 5 though. She never had to confront the twins to know if they have anything to do with Scott's disappearance.
Furthermore, you're drastically painting the premise in broad strokes by using the term "goes through" when they operate very differently.
Bro the Scott Pilgrim story is very basically the Hero's Journey. The verb "goes through" here describes the Road of Trials stage, which is basically the guts of the plot of any conventional story. It's the part where the stuff happens. That different stuff happens during that particuar part of two identically structured stories is, at most, an aesthetic difference. It's window dressing.
And The Twins were always non-characters. In Takes Off they're at least revealed to be major players.
But that's the thing. Ramona's journey isn't about overcoming trials at all. The only time she's tested is with Roxie. Everyone else was a glorified "go to NPC>talk" quest.
Ramona's quest is a mystery story because she mentions she likes Columbo.
Scott quest is a video game quest with bosses and shit because he likes video games.
It's not that deep bro.
>It's not that deep bro.
Shallow even.
>Dude no one should ever do the hero's journey again
have a nice day
Not even remotely what I said. Are you that same anon without reading comprehension from earlier?
>that's not what I said!
Either you're full of shit or you didn't read the reply chain before butting in, either way have a nice day
>these stories aren't structured the same!
>"yes they are, they both follow the heroes journey."
>"so you're saying nobody should ever do the heroes journey again???"
>"no, you're an idiot"
>"no u!!!!!!"
Cinemaphile. Home of intelligent debate.
Oops, you forgot the first part!
>You can't tell two similarly structured stories, they couldn't have adapted first then done this version!
So it was you not reading the chain before responding.
Kill. Your. Self.
Yes, moron. The repeititve nature of it would've been due to the structure, not the repeating characters, scenarios, motivations and jokes.
That's why if you watch Lord of the Rings and Star Wars back to back you burst into flames, everybody knows this!
Again, it's easy to be right when you misrepresent another's argument.
Yeah it'd be really damning if the argument was that they're the same and it wouldn't work because of structure
hey what's this over here:
>They're literally structured an ex per episode with 8 being the conclusion.
You make me sick.
>repeating characters, motivations
yes, as we all know people hate any show that has the same cast for more than 8 episodes
>scenarios, and jokes
the scenarios in this are new and the jokes are callbacks specifically for people that know the old content
You're so desperate to discount the value of an animated version of the comics that you're twisting yourself into knots.
>The verb "goes through" here describes the Road of Trials stage
Ramona went through no trials.
>And The Twins were always non-characters.
So make them characters? Why is this the defense for the sloppy writing? All you did was make them a plot device again.
>Ramona went through no trials.
Generally speaking, the investigation part of a whodunnit is considered a trial. Again, it just wasn't a physical trial on par with Scott's because he's into video game boss battles and she isn't.
>So make them characters?
And change the SOURCE MATERIAL????? What if autists like you piss and moan like you're doing now????
No, it's not great writing, but it's a slight improvement over similarly bad writing.
>Generally speaking, the investigation part of a whodunnit is considered a trial. Again, it just wasn't a physical trial on par with Scott's because he's into video game boss battles and she isn't.
Not when the investigation is just "Did you do it?" "No" repeated and there is no conflict. It wasn't an emotional trial either. The only one to push Ramona like that was Roxie. Everyone else was just a short conversation with most of the runtime just wasting time with filler nonsense.
>And change the SOURCE MATERIAL????? What if autists like you piss and moan like you're doing now????
If you want to sell the premise that its about fleshing out the side characters, then yeah. Why act like you care about the source material now? Cause it's convenient?
>Ramona only went through 5 though.
Let's be real, she only went through 2.
>hurr [fanfiction]
was this supposed to convince anyone of anything besides your idiocy
>If you just beat-for-beat adapt Scott Pilgrim as season 1 (a terrible idea because those six volumes have got more than 8 episodes of story), then you're not doing references or callbacks to something people liked 13 years ago, you're calling back to something people liked the year before, and Takes Off would be weaker for it. It benefits from its distance from the original works.
You assume the whole world is well-versed in Scott Pilgrim deep lore. They aren't. S2 requires knowledge of Scott Pilgrim deep lore to truly appreciate. The show should have been designed to introduce Scott Pilgrim to a new generation, not wank off the old fans.
>S2 requires knowledge of Scott Pilgrim deep lore to truly appreciate.
It really doesn't though. What "deep knowledge" do you require to be able to appreciate takes off when it just mixes and matches from the comics and the movies to tell a plain whodunit story? It doesn't do shit like the glow, or the whole sex bobomb yeti vs K twins dragon, or nega scott or gideon fricking with Scott's memories.
>It really doesn't though. What "deep knowledge" do you require to be able to appreciate takes off when it just mixes and matches from the comics and the movies to tell a plain whodunit story?
None of it makes sense if you haven't seen the movie and read the comics. It is not a good jumping on point for new fans which is what it should have been
The comics and movies don't make it make any more sense if you've read/watched those though.
But again, for the sake of giving this argument any semblance of truth, please say what parts exactly don't make sense unless you've read/watched previous material?
>The original source material doesnt make any more sense than the anime sequel to the movie.
It's not an anime sequel to the movie grognard.
It's its own thing.
>Its own thing
>Needs older Scott from the movie in order to work
>It's still an adaptation of the story in the comic
It's not Older Scott from the movie.
Older Scott is anime Scott if he didn't kidnap himself.
At no point in the movie do the twins have their own robot (comics only). Nor does Gideon have a kamehameha (comics only). Nor Lucas doing skateboardfu (anime only).
For a board that's been inundated with shit like What-ifs, multiverses, and elsewords, it's fricking hilarious how the Scott Pilgrim anime is apparently the one thing that can't be it's own thing and needs to be connected to other media for some insane reason.
>it's fricking hilarious how the Scott Pilgrim anime is apparently the one thing that can't be it's own thing and needs to be connected to other media for some insane reason
Not really an insane reason when the writer himself tells people to read the comic/watch the movie if they're confused.
You mean the same writer that said the anime is it's own thing?
That's what makes it so funny. He wants it to be its own thing but also knows it doesn't hold up on its own.
But it does.
No one has yet to provide a situation in the anime that actually needs the comics/movie to make it work.
The entire episode one "twist" is predicated entirely on meta knowledge of the original and advertising telling you it's an adaptation of the comics.
Not really. Without knowledge of the comics/movie you just see it as "wow this guy that looks to be the main character died."
>n-nuh uh!
Scoff with gifs all you want. Acting like you're the prince of persia and going "no no, that's not how it happened" is irrelevant to the episode in question.
>But it does.
Apparently not if you have to read the comic or watch the movie to get it.
>No one has yet to provide a situation in the anime that actually needs the comics/movie to make it work.
Which means that everyone has already provided these
O'Malley even said "if you're confused watch the movie"
>you need to be well-versed in Scott Pilgrim lore
>e.g, watching a movie
>must tell new watchers to at least watch the movie to understand shit
>new watchers
Who in the modern day gives a frick about Scott Pilgrim? You couldn't market a fresh adaptation to "new watchers" because it was a niche thing 15 fricking years ago that depended very much on the humor of its times. You either build on the fandom you have or don't make it.
What is this form? I thought Scott was a huge bawd and got ravaged by Wallace every night?
Why do you think Wallace goes after other guys instead of staying with Scott?
Did you ever know someone like any character in the series?
We need more Roxie content she's best girl. I could fix her
Comic: varied story beats, individual motivations for each character, growth comes from facing the parts of ourselves we're reluctant to address
Show: "did you do it?" "No" "Did you do it?" "No" "Did you do it?" "No"
Pic rel you know they were thinking it for just a second
>Scott never has to accept his flaws and past
>It just gets sent away to not be dealt with
sex
Would Scott frick his clone
cute.
what's her name?
Scott Pilgrima
part of me fricking hates that all this good animation and artistry went to waste cause Bryan a fricking homosexual and went with a bait and switch and another "alTeRnAte UnIVeRISE" story shtick instead of just adapting the comic, then should've spent it on doing alternate reality story telling
>Good animation
Good illustration. Let's be very fricking clear here.
The drawing is great, the animation is mid to bad, even the "sakuga." It's all super choppy and lacks weight and the fights lack any sense of where the characters are in space.
Also long scenes that are just people playing music where the instruments on screen aren't synced to the score is a cardinal sin.
Is he a Sonicgay?
>adaptation
Wait, what was the original then?!
Another generation of women ruined
Can't ruin what's beyond repair
>a fresh batch of teen Ramona's are ready to emerge
NuRamona a CUTE!
No because it wasn't an adaptation, it was a new story.
Was a fun new story though.
Anyone have pics of middle aged Ramona? She is hotter than 20-30 something Ramona, having a fat ass with age lines also helps make her more attractive.
My thought on SPTO is as follows
>wait a minute, that voice is familiar
>Kevin McDonald?????
that's about it.
I will return when I formulate a new thought.
I know no sparks but I’d have liked to see a Kim and Roxie couple for no reason other than the selfish desire to hear their banter
It'll happen
Kim is just in denial
Then she'll get ROXXXIED
Funny thing, even if I didn’t ship them, still think they could’ve had sparks but the sparks wouldn’t have shown up then.
Sparks only show up in special soulmate moments, and the kiss happened after a rough and awful battle that left everyone emotionally drained. The vibe was simply not right for sparks
>then she’ll get ROXXXIED
>implying Kim wouldn’t be the dominant one
Kim is reserved for another evil ex
>I’m not the only person shipping these two based on a single interaction that took like 5 seconds.
the fanart will come
I’m halfway through pencilling a 24 page comic about them.
Shit bro you work fast. Don't you have a job?
When I say pencils, I mean just rough sketches. I put in 24 hours last weekend, 16 hours so far this weekend, got dizzy and kind of sick after an all-nighter though so I’m taking it easy today. Probably won’t be done until at least Christmas, honestly.
Dude I've been planning a project of 7x22 pagers for a year and was gonna take another year to prep for it. I have nothing but bullshit sketches.
I, at 28, was shocked that BLOM had finished his first GN at 24. Your work ethic has put that in perspective, it's crazy admirable. Take a break and enjoy yourself, you've done an amazing amount of work.
I’m 32. I’m older than O’Malley was when he finished Scott Pilgrim, and been trying (and failing) to get my own project off the ground for like 4 years. Some bad shit set me back, but the lack of work ethic is the only thing stopping me from being where I want to be, so I guess I’m overcompensating now.
Anyway, I’ll shill real quick. I’m on Threads @jodyjamesbrenton
Good luck man, I definitely understand what you're going through. Bad relationship shit had me flunk uni at 23 and then the indie zine I was putting out at 25 had its money stolen by my co-editor. I don't trust enough to collab so yes I'm very much also trying to build myself from scratch. I wish you the absolute best of luck dude.
I'm in a similar boat. The SP Storytime threads sorta rekindled my will to make comics so I dug out a story I had started in 2016 but put away because i felt too immature to make it and it all feels like second nature now.
Good luck to the both of you 🙂
Think of all the people cheering you on!
Man I wish I could draw like that
It's a skill like anything else anon, the sooner you start the better
Not everyone at their skill peak will able to produce art like that. Yes art is a skill, but the amount that a person can improve that skill is not infinite. Not everyone has the potential to be a great artist, most will fail even if they put in the work.
That’s quitter talk. And nobody peaks unless they give up. Being too self-critical is a sign of greatness, you just gotta believe.
There is literally nothing stopping you.
Skill issue
>Kim: "No sparks"
>Kim's bedroom later that night: "bzzzzzzzzzzzz"
Since Kim is the video game princess archetype, Roxie has to save her from a threat before that can happen
Thems the rules
Why does anon think Nega isn’t a part of ott?
Is he stupid?
I can't imagine dating more than like 2 people that isn't just like a dinner date, that one girl's clearly a prostitute.
It was more like an alternate sequel, with O'Malley's divorce fetish he got from getting divorced. It's fine though, he's writing what he knows, I liked Seconds.
i have never read scott pilgrim, should i watch this? is it fun?
it's a reimagination of the story that relies on you having already read the comics or watched the movie to get it completely
It basically demands you have an exhaustive knowledge of 20 year old graphic novels which were unfaithfully portrayed by a movie 13 years ago
What were they thinking
Yeah, just read the storytimes that were posted here for the past week and see how you feel
You can watch it by itself. Only morons insist that you have to have some kind of metaknowledge by reading previous material.
Read the books first, and if you liked that, you'll like this.
It's fun, but you need to read the comics first because it isn't an adaptation of the comics and kinda relies on prior knowledge of the story.
Every single male character in this series is frickable. Every single one. That one you're thinking of? Yes, him too.
Scott really hit us with that submissive and breedable pose in the OP
Everytime I see this thread I am filled with lust
god i wish i was wallace
Well draw some femboy Scott then??
---SPOILER ALERT---
>give a chance to west
>it's Scott Pilgrim, it's woke enough
>ofc the only black character is badass and benevolent
>ofc its the independent strong roastie woman that is the mc
>ofc the hetero white man is the villain
>ofc its the independent strong roastie woman that beats the villain
>oh west
That ending "i choose myself" wtf, wasnt Ramona thinking about herself all the time she dumped someone? If she said something like "this time i will choose you, Scott" it would be good. A good ending.
Even the older Ramona is hard to sympathize:
>asked for space
>to SCOTT
>he obeys
>then wants him to invade her space
>WITHOUT telling him (it's f*cking SCOTT)
Doenst she realised that she had him in the palm of her hand and how hard headed he is ofc he would respect she asking him for space. Then:
>proceeds to tell he is the man of her life.
>tells him she don't give him a chance.
Even tho he was in reclusion and she probably was doing other men or drama on the Internet.
>the only black character is badass and benevolent
What? Are you talking about Patel? He's not even black and he's treated as a joke
there literally isn't even a black character in the show you fricking spastic
>doesn't know how to tag spoilers
Why should anyone care what you think?
>expecting roastie-world to pick "personal accountability" as the story's moral
hahahaha
oh wait you're serious
HAHAHAHAHAHA
There's literally no black characters
nta but theres a couple background blacks at least, like Lucas Lee's agent.
there are less black people than the original comics, even. IIRC the only one that ever talks is Scott's manager at the vegan restaurant and she's not here for obvious reasons
Oh right yeah, I meant out of the cast.
>she's not here for obvious reasons
She's in the audience for the play.
It was interesting to watch as a total spin off thing, and it looked gorgeous, but the story itself was meh.
Despite Ramona basically being made into the main character, she felt like less of a real person than she did in the comics. Especially since her whole issue of being someone who runs away from her problems/stubbornly refusing to seriously reflect on herself is just sort of erased up until the end of the last episode, where its solved in about 10 seconds anyway.
Also it made Scotts friends (especially Wallace) come across as huge buttholes who didn't really give a shit about Scott, not only because none of them aside from Stephen and sort-of Knives seemed to care at all that he died, but also because they all just act so blasé/uncaring about him being potentially alive, to the point where the girl who went on a date with him ONE time has to do 90% of the work finding out what happened to him while they frick around and do nothing.
>not only because none of them aside from Stephen and sort-of Knives seemed to care at all that he died
Well they got over it pretty quickly to suck up to Envy, Scott's cheating ex, and Matthew, the one who they thought killed him at first
Also, gotta be honest, it felt nice that for a change Scott's friends weren't stuck having to bend over backwards to still be friends with him despite him being a jerk, or inconsiderate, or a cheater, or all the things he did in the comics that makes you go;
>Why are they still friends with this guy?
I full get that Scott was a dick sometimes, but they WERE still all friends with him regardless, when you see people like Wallace and Kim just casually brush off Scott’s death/potential kidnapping it just comes across as jarring. Even if they complain, they still cared about him in the comics and would want to help him.
Again, the fact that Ramona, who only went on one date with the guy, is more concerned about him than the friends he’s known for literal years, it just comes across as kind of insulting to the original comic characters.
Anon's point was asking why they were even still friends with him. Which isn't really an invalid question to ask. How long would you board and feed someone who has parents that would readily pay for an apartment for him, who seemingly has no kind of family drama with said parents, in an apartment that you yourself are paying rent for? Can you see yourself doing it for the better part of a year? How long until you ask them to either look for a job or do something to pitch in as compensation for your financial contribution to where the two of you are currently living?
That doesn’t really have anything to do with the show though. We know from the comics that even at his lowest and shittiest moments, his friends still care about him in their own way and want him to get better. In the show he outright DIES before any of that worst shit even happens and yet they all seem content with not giving a single shit and/or acting like he never existed
Wasn’t it established that people respawn at least once in this universe?
Not really, Scott getting an extra life was a rare occurance, and even when he died the first time some of them took it seriously since they forgot about his extra.
Then why the funeral?
Ran out of lives. Also, it probably doesn't work on old age.
>Ran out of lives
He's never died before.
As far as we know.
I'm not going to make up things to make their plot work.
he never loses
Just from observing the anime vs the comics/movie, in the anime you respawn until you start dropping coins. Once you drop coins you're dead.
At least, that's my take on death in the anime because they threw a funeral and believed Scott dead when they saw coins drop, but when Even Older Scott killed the exes + sex bob-omb none of them dropped any coins and respawned in the theater.
I assumed it was part of the magical realism tone the comics always had.
KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM
We know Roxie
S2 is Kim and Roxie overthrowing the Tokugawa Shogunate.
But they’re in Canada
RIM KIM RIM KIM RIM KIM RIM KIM
BAAAASED
People always claim that adaptations don't affect comic sales, but I've seen more Scott Pilgrim threads over the last couple weeks than I have the last couple years.
What does the amount of discussion threads on Cinemaphile have to do with comic sales?
>what does a series' popularity have to do with sales?
anon...
Again, do you really think threads on Cinemaphile of all things mean much of anything in terms of popularity or comparison to real world sales of the comic?
Not at all. After all, we all know that Cinemaphile only talks about the most obscure and unpopular IPs like Ben 10 or Avatar.
moreso that anyone on Cinemaphile would have either already read scott pilgrim and/or will just read it online.
I honestly can't tell if you're baiting me right now. If so, congrats.
post the evidence of increased comic sale stats then, if you're not just pulling shit out of your ass
Alright now someone edit his ass to be fatter.
Don't care, means more Kim Pines art.
She needs a bigger bra
I started the first episode with my family and it was boring.
If Ramona is the protagonist, she should have to duel each of Scott's exes.
Ramona handily whups Knives already though, and she's the only one of Scott's exes that resembles having fight experience.
It wouldn't be a real fight. It would be like mud wrestling or something.
If anyone needs a magnet link for the torrent with the Japanese audio because nyaa etc keeps taking down Scott Pilgrim Takes Off for no reason and normie sites only have the dub
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>English Audio is the original that was recorded first, the animation was sync’d to the English VAs, Japanese dub was done afterwards, and the entire series exists because the English cast became friends on the set of the movie and stayed in touch afterwards.
>There are still weeaboos so deep in their ruts that they think the Japanese dub is the correct and authentic experience.
It’s like Castlevania Season 1 all over again.
I don’t think the Japanese dub is the authentic experience. I just think the English movie cast are shit at dubbing and most likely got bad voice direction as well, which just made the English version horrible to listen to.
how has the janny allowed this lewd bawd be in the catalog for so long
I don't like watching/reading shit like this because it makes me seethe in rage that I'll never have what Scott has (a huge group of friends, girlfriend or girlfriends, social life)
How old are you?
20, almost 21
Then don't worry about it, you're only as old as Young Neil, and none of these characters hardly have their shit together in any capacity.
The years after high school going into young adult-age are the ones that are the most nebulous and strange.
You'll find your place, anon.
It’s really panels like this that emphasize Knives’s relative youth and even immaturity compared to the rest of the crew. In this panel, she’s literally and figuratively trying to “fit in” with the adults at the table. Whether this was even intentional, it does open up that ability for interpretation.
I felt really bad for her during the beach trip, the way they (mostly Julie though) treated her made it clear how much the group just kind of saw her as 'the kid who tagged along', rather than an actual part of the friend group.
Well now she’s taken over Sex Bob-Omb and is piloting it into being a genuine success, so happy ending?
Not only that, but she helped create a successful musical that premiered on Broadway and won 27 Tony Awards, and began producing songs with Envy Adams.
I’d say she got a happy ending.
Who gets bigger first in the 00s music industry from Toronto: Drake or Knives?
>her name knives but she look seventeen
Knives becomes Taylor Swift levels of popular.
Try 25 little homie. Given I'm a lot better than I was when I was your age. My advice would be to be more active in finding people you mesh well with and make it clear that you want them to stick around, think of it as building a strong web. You're in the age range where people are losing contact with their highschool friends and are trying to find a place where they fit in so it's a great time. No clue what the hell I'm going to do since people my age have other priorities and I'd feel weird being the notably older person in a group but i'll figure it out
I was molested and raped by my babysitter's 11 year old son when I was 5. My only real girlfriend in HS cheated on me and told several friends. People are more trouble than we're worth, trust me. We always make things worse eventually.
I'm so sorry, anon. I hope your friends/family/loved ones are there for you. Hope you can get access to therapy to deal with it all more easily too.
Jesus christ anon
God I wish that were me
I liked Takes Off, but they really fricked up Envy in this one. She's just a walking gag for the entire episode she's in.
i don't know why they made her a taylor swift parody when the original envy is clearly supposed to be like Siouxie Sioux or Courtney Love type of famous
Nice I wasn’t the only one, got a little chubbed up there ngl
This but with
and
>YOU MADE MY TODD GAY! NOW I'M GONNA SCARE YOU STRAIGHT!
>Envy attempts to rape the gay away
Even after becoming a star, Envy couldn't repress her nature as a fujoshi.
Sauce/moar? google was recursive and Yandex is down
If you watch anything with gay male characters you are one fricking pathetic homosexual.
This show reminded me of when early 2000’s 2D animated movies would use 3D CGI alongside it, because all of the settings and props were noticeably like that.
I don’t know why but I find the milf and gilf versions of Ramona hotter than the regular Ramona
Its not an adaptation at all, its a spinoff/what-if. It's pretty good though so whatever, I liked it.
I can see other comic lovers being pissed we didn't get a proper adaptation again but at least it doesn't try pretend to be one past the surprise twist in episode one and just does entirely its own thing with the cast and story. Makes it way easier to accept than something like the FF7 Remake that's some sorta-remake sorta-sequel sorta-what if shit.
I love Young Neil. He's cute.
He felt (and sounded) like Todd from BoJack in this episode.
No braincells in that cute head of his
It was a bad adaptation because it only follows the original story for most of the first episode and then it throws the original story into the fricking stratosphere and becomes some weird sequel/alterative time line thing but it's a good show.
Post Stacey Pilgrim please
Literally built for incest.
Nice brows.
For a board that constantly shat on Scott Pilgrim and anyone that liked it for 10+ years or so you guys can somehow manage to have indepth discussions about
Because nostalgia forced us to confront our teenage feels and re-appraise the work with new eyes. That's what the show was for.
Scott Pilgrim came out twenty years ago. The old farts that were twenty shitting on it are now forty and probably all dead.
I like the girls armpits
pics???
bad adaptation, okay-tier show.
Bad adaptation, not accurate at all, good show though. Makes sense they did what they did as the original is very dated.
Is everyone a prostitute in Canada?
yeah
>Cinemaphile can't see objective facts
The brainrot of Death of the Author strikes again. It is basically a sequel.
Why is it every idiot crying about Death of the Author hasn't got a fricking clue about it?
Because this is the internet, and everyone just skims wikipedia articles instead of actually reading books.
You didn't read the essay.
https://www.primetimer.com/interviews/scott-pilgrim-takes-off-interview-spoilers-bendavid-grabinski-bryan-lee-omalley
>subversion for subversion's sake
It's like they missed the memo that people are over with twist villains.
Spare lives are for rich people.
Like health care. Or voting.
That makes sense. So Gideon bought spare lives for all the exes and used them to convince them to join him
>Was it a good adaptation?
Eh, it just wasn't what I remembered.
It did at least make me want to go and rewatch Kaiba
So does Scott dye his hair? His eyebrows are black, and his sister's hair is black.
He could have inherited it from whichever one is his non black haired parent.
You can't have the hair on your head and your eyebrows be different colors.
You can. The genes that affect the color of the hair on your head and the one that determines the color of your eyebrows are different, as is the genes that determine the color of the hair on your body.
You sound like Young Neil. Don't be that stupid.
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-natural-blonde-have-black-eyebrows
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/e9sp2e/why_do_blonde_people_have_brown_eyebrows/
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/what-do-you-do-when-your-eyebrows-dont-match-your-natural-haircolor-help.678479/
Like Todd Ingram said, maybe if you knew the science...
You really are a Young Neil.
>gets debunked
>durr young neil and shiet
Probably not, there's a handful of other characters in the series who have black eyebrows despite having a different hair color. I think its just a stylistic choice.
>bait
protagonist eyebrows, bro
I only care about Scott's fat butt
We know, Wallace.
IDC how much you spam the catalog I'm not watching this shit.
Roxie is the smelliest SP character
Imagine her getting dommed by Kim except it’s just Kim forcing her to take a shower, exercise, and do her laundry
How about we compare Scott to Johnny Bravo what's the difference?
These threads have reached the three man circlejerk phase
Time for you to go back to twitter
>189 Posters ITT
>9 Storytime threads and several-post-storytimes hit bump limit
>"urr it's just three guys!"
Take your meds.
Kim? More like Kimpregnate,
>all these people wanting a 1:1 adapation that adds nothing new
What a reddit stance to take on adaptations
No. Because it wasnt an adaptation.
I wish alpha boss b***hes weren’t all disloyal and crazy IRL because they’re my type
Julie isn't those, she's a wannabe alpha b***h who works as a barista with an art degree. She's fair game, I suppose.
I always found her hot. Finding out that Aubrey Plaza plays her was so rewarding
Hey Scott Pilgrim thread, what do we do about any of Yoto's art that's Cinemaphile related but posted in relation to Toonami?
Why wasn't future Ramona the villain? Why make Scott the villain of a show he's barely in? A Nega Ramona would've been cool.
yeah ikr