A good chunk of of the animation panels have been affected by the strikes as per SDCC's updated website
>Metalocalypse panel cancelled
>Venture Bros film screening moved to 10 PM, Doc Hammer isn't showing so this is likely only a film debut with nothing else
>Tiny Toons panel is now a Looney Tunes themed panel like last year, adding sneak peaks at Looney Tunes Cartoons and Bugs Bunny Builders in addition to Tiny Toons debut episode to replace the VA Q&A
>My Adventures With Superman has added sneak peaks of future content added on top of previously scheduled episode sneak peak to replace the VA Q&A
https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1679985121359740928
>only thing I was looking forward to is cancelled
I should've expected this from WB
You can't really blame them, they aren't the ones who decided to strike starting one week before SDCC because the millionaire VAs were being gays about AI
>because the millionaire VAs were being gays about AI
>millionaire
>VA
good one mate
Tech bros love to imagine they're fighting against the man all while imagining becoming the man.
>peiple that make up 90% of VAs don't have money
odd thing to assert when you can search it and show otherwise, but whatever makes you feel like you're 'fighting the good fight!'
95 percent of SAG are working class and Writersake middle class wage on average
>Middle class
So making at least 100k if not 300k?
They are very rich
Median film writer pay is about $77,000 a year.
A big part of this is that unlike a 9 to five type set up, jobs like these are often inconsistent or short lived.
Like you often will do something like working two weeks and making 7500 and then having to live off of that for months until a gig opens up.
It's why 95 percent of SAG members work two or more jobs. Unless you are already wealthy you can't really afford to sit around until a payday comes in.
Similar stuff happens with Writers.
Years agoCinemaphile was posting threads about how Greg Weidman was unemployed for almost two years. He didn't have a set tv show gig anymore so he had to write random Team Umizumi and Kaijudo scripts "gig style" and rely on savings until something long term opened up.
And that's for a relative "big name" like Greg. He is one of the upper tiers. For the average person you are mostly working a day job and hoping to collect what you can.
And since studios have scales down writers rooms to save money (with predictable impact on quality) there are less and less opportunities for jobs outside the "gig" set up.
how do people even find these gigs?
>Writersake middle class wage on average
>on average
Never use averages for these arguments, anon. Use medians.
No, they aren't.
Not my fault you are poor.
If making 100k+ yearly isn't rich enough for you you have no idea how to self-finance
Sadly this will likely be the crater VB and Metalpocalypse dies in.
At least with VB everything is just to close to being out there to stop it, Metalpocalypse concerts every thing relating to it is now up in the air
who the frick would want to hear VAs from that superman show talk about anything?
Anon, Jack Quaid works with..CHRISTOPHER...and I think he could pass him my brand new script.
>Uses a Squidward pic while being wrong about art
Nicely done.
i simply cannot keep track of the acronyms but frick the producers
The show(s) is still happening so who cares.
So people know the changes, there's quite an impact from it
Some panels getting cancelled (Metalocalypse), some panels really missing out on any interaction (Venture Bros, which is now just getting to watch the movie a few hours early instead of being a proper sendoff for the series), or losing future information of shows that would have slipped during panel discussion or shitposting moments (Tiny Toons in particular since last year is how we found out about siblings and this year would have been a massive meme panel, but we're getting more content reveals out of it in place)
>Metalocalypse panel cancelled
>implying they wouldn't have cancelled it for the lols anyway
They should just sell their entire assets to Disney.
Disney can’t afford Batman let alone the rest.
They could easily afford Batman, it's not like WB has been making bank with him for the past 7 years
>Doc Hammer isn't showing so this is likely only a film debut with nothing else
It's a good thing that the screening is still happening, but that's kind of lame.
>adding sneak peaks at Looney Tunes Cartoons
Honestly, that's all I wanted from the Tiny Toons panel.
Frick unions for real
>just lick the boots of corporations bro
>my need for muh cartoons outweighs you being able to afford to eat bro
>Just lick the boots of unions bro
This but unironically
Careful, anon. You're replying to a damn pinkerton.
every anti-union post here might as well glow harder than the sun
I wish, It's pretty clear that it's more just a lot of people just hate writers and actors and blame them personally for the state of entertainment. Seeing them fail makes it feel like they're striking a blow of that so long as they absolve the studios themselves of any real blame. Which is pretty easy since outside of CEOs they just see them as nebulous faceless entities. They can't be mad at a building can they? Disney could be good if it wasn't for all those darn artists and writers dragging it down, holding all the executives hostage with their bad ideas. Those executives would totally cater to my tastes if the Artists just did what THEY said. Yeah I hope they win, frick Unions.
>my need for muh cartoons outweighs you being able to afford to eat bro
This but unironically
The vast majority of these Hollywood types have never thought to themselves "I should buy an American car to support our country," or "I shouldn't use iPhones, they use child labor," or "I will not work on a show for Amazon because they killed mainstreets across the country."
And frankly, that's okay. Because in the same way, the average viewers don't care about how the industry gets it done, and they have no obligation to care. That's the industry's business. If these animators, writers, and VAs can't make a cartoon profitable, we can just watch old cartoons or anime. If the industry chases away the "tech bro" money that has sustained the modern overproduction of content, that's their problem.
Bite the hand that feeds you all you like. In fact, I hope and root for it. Once Hollywood loses all of the free money from capitalists that they hate, they will have to survive on their own merits. Only then will unions actually uphold their end of the bargain and begin ensure its members meet the standards of the guild, and shed the deadweight that's been destroying this industry with poor product.
What does any of that have to do when using ai likenesses without permission or payment or paying dirt cheap wages (especially in LA) . The Zaslav's of the world are hording wealth same as they always did and unless forced to they will pay the people doing the work pennies. Same as they would do for you
>What does any of that have to do when using ai likenesses
I wasn't addressing the merits of the strike. I was replying to your, or that poster's contention that we are supposed to care whether these people "starve" or not. We don't. We have no obligation to care anymore than they cared about the covid shutdowns that put nearly everyone in this country out of work except for Hollywood, because they argued they were "essential."
This issue is complex and beyond most people's grasp. We can only trust that self interest on both sides and the unfettered free market will result in something equitable. Don't ask people outside of this to take sides. Don't guilt people into taking sides. It's all bullshit and has nothing to do with us.
>We can only trust that self interest on both sides and the unfettered free market will result in something equitable.
When has the "unfettered free market" EVER resulted in something equitable.
The free market without fetters is literal slavery. We know this because that's what the free market did when it wasn't outlawed and what it does to this day when the law let's then get away with it or isn't enforced (Prisons, chocolate plantations, sex trafficking etc)
If the boss and shareholders can save money they will do whatever it is they can do so. So if you have a vested interest in not being screwed over you either fetter the free market or pray to God your Interests coincidentally align with what's profitable. (Which they rarely do
For example it's is very common for plants and factories to purposely skimp on safety measures because wrongful death lawsuits are cheaper than installing safety measures
Every day you are inconvenienced , poisoned and depending on who you are killed because someone you never met calculated it would save money on a spreadsheet.
>The free market without fetters is literal slavery.
Fricking how?
You either work for scraps or you die starving.
Chattel slavery was the engine of the United States and the European powers until it was outlawed.
Banana companies proper up dictatorships so they could force impoverished people to work for them for next to no pay.
Most chocolate is made from kidnapped kids forced to pick caocao.
The majority of fish caught in Asia is caught by kidnapped people forced into boats and kept in cages.
Prison labor is a huge business because the 14th amendment means you don't have to pay prisoners if you force them to make products for you. And you can legally force them to work for you with violence even if they don't want to.
A business has no motivation to pay it's employees unless it is actively forced to. Financially the "free market" will pay the lowest amount it can for anything to retain it's profit.
In every situation where the law doesn't step in,( either by legalizing slavery , not actually enforcing the laws against forced labor or by having punishment be so mild it's still profitable to break the law anyway) a business will ignore as many Human rights as it possible can.
This isn't a hypothetical it's happening at this very second. The only reason your job pays you anything is because they can't get away with not doing so.
Without external incentives against them, we get sweatshops, chain gangs and plantations.
>Can anyone please think about the poor criminals?
I detect latent racism in your tone, you're under arrest for hate speech
You can't arrest me, I'm a minority.
Sorry, Racist minorities are legally white, now c'mon you've got wallets to sew.
You are conflating unfettered free market with a lawless market. The two are not the same. An unfettered free market is one where the government does not put a thumb on the scales to favor particular companies. To think of it another way, whatever laws exist must be applied equally to every company. This further extends to the idea of bailouts - companies that do poorly should not be given a helping hand. An unfettered free market is actually quite against the kind of capitalists you hate, because the abusive ones lose business to their competitors.
That's what needs to happen organically in entertainment. No bailouts. Let the poorly-performing companies fail. So too should writers and animators and actors who demand so much money yet provide so little in return, that investors take their money elsewhere.
>Let the poorly-performing companies fail
How does that stop widely successful companies from killing and abusing millions?
Stop supporting them. Stop working for them. These are the two things absolutely within your power, yet you refuse to do.
These actors and writers don't want to stop these abusive companies, they just want a bigger piece of the pie and continue to suck them off instead of starting a competitor. Why should I care when they insist on staying in an abusive relationship?
How can you "stop supporting bad companies" when they get to freefall with parachutes by the state like Activision and then get merged into another subsidised megacorp like Microsoft, lmfao
>the consumer has power!
moron
That's the good thing, it doesn't.
It's pretty funny how ComicCon has almost nothing to do with comics. Cartoons and live action movies are the bread and butter.
>Venture Bros gets canceled
>fans rally to bring it back and successfully get a movie
>creators can't come to Comic-Con to show off the finale of the series and thank the fans for everything
sad as frick
They can stop being pussies and cross lines against their union to show up and thank everyone who supported them for almost 2 decades if they have balls and care about fans and not just making money like israelites
Being a scab is a guarantee that they're never going to write in Hollywood again. I'm sure there's other projects they want to do after VB.
So I know they can not go to SDCC to promote anything but are actors allowed to go? like what if you want to go there just to go to comic con are you told you can't because of the strike?
They advise you to not go but they technically can go as a regular an attendee and they can’t stop you
Hell you can technically be in a penal if it’s not related to an official studio release or product covered by the unions (so writers for a show can be in a comic panel)
voice actors are part of sag?
Yep
Why am I not surprised the only shit I was looking forward to was cancelled?
Not dying to perispam
I hope this goes on long enough that the power of SAG is gutted and people can put shit on tv without involving California.
SAG actors are nationwide, moron.
is doc hammer still really sick? or is he not coming because of the strike?
Imagine siding with the megacorp instead of the artists and creators. People here are fricking moronic.
Imagine siding with the millionaires and not laughing at two groups killing each other, whining that nobody cares while they ignored others in an even worse boat
>artists
>creators
Calling them that is a reach.
Funny how these problems don't exist in Japan.
- Study art in college for 5 years.
- Get paid $4/hour
- Having to work a lot of overtime to afford bills
- Never complain because you love your job
>proceed to become burnt out and leave the industry, leaving to a shortage of young animators
The cost of living in Japan is significantly lower than America. People also burn out way the frick faster there, so even then it's still not stable.
imagine the smell
Lmao here. The Tiny Toons show hasn’t even been publicly unveiled and it’s already over!
They're still screening the first episode.
Funny enough it's probably for the better, they don't have to deal with the people pissed about the siblings thing or the coomers
This industry is a mess. I guess this is what happens when everyone in the room is an entitled narcissist.
burn in hell you union b***hes
Cope harder, scab
I hope the strike makes you and others unemployed