Seriously how do they expect Kang to be their next Thanos if his first appearance is an Ant-Man movie where he gets his ass kicked? It completely trivializes him as an antagonist. It'd be like if Aquaman's first movie was just him beating the shit out of Darkseid. And then the post credits scene is Lex Luthor looking at Darkseid with an afro giving a speech about science or some shit and he's like "Oh my gosh... he's so terrifying..."
They've said time and again that they didn't want to do another Thanos with Kang and that his menace is supposed to come from there being endless versions of him all working together.
But aren't there endless versions of everyone else too since the multiverse is a thing? I don't see how that makes Kang particularly threatening.
>But aren't there endless versions of everyone else too since the multiverse is a thing?
How would that make him less of a threat?
Do you mean that we shouldn't care if the characters die because there are alt versions of them? This is stupid because the alt version aren't exactly like them.
Do you mean that they could call the alt versions for help? I think it's reasonable to assume the council killed most of the heroes in their own universes, if those even existed there.
No, he's saying that each Kang has a set of heroes ready to beat his ass
Which, as he said, is not necessarily true since Kang might have already killed all of them.
His first appearance was in the Loki series.
Also, just for context, Darkseid's first appearance was in an issue of "Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen" so...yeah.
That's not what makes Kang threatening, Kang is what makes Kang threatening. This is a man who conquered the entire universe in the future, who then went back in time to before he'd conquered the universe just so he could do it again. He's even jumped around in time to conquer *his own empire* just because no one but himself was a challenge for him. He's even gone back in time AND erased his own memory so he'd have to learn everything from scratch before conquering the universe, and he did that on purpose for no other reason than the fact that conquering the universe without amnesia was too easy to be fun.
>endless morons working together
wow this is surely something that'll put asses in the seats!
lmao
Gosh it's almost like the barest amount of thought destroys the worldbuilding or something.
The best kind of worldbuilding everyone loves!
They completely fricked "here's a Black person that's a threat look at how neat he is", what character is there even attempt the other half of that yingyang? Lady stretch is the most likeable so far, which is something when her character is shy asocial moron
I like Kang's casting, it's the writing that I have a problem with. Seems like you've got other factors coloring your opinion, you might want to deal with that first because it's not a good look.
>Black person
>Beats women
Pick a struggle
How is that scary, though? Where's the stakes if another one can just come along?
How is it not scary that you can put all this effort into beating one of them and then another one shows up when you're all worn out? It becomes a test of endurance.
But that’s what Thanos was. He was “the big bad.”
It’s kind of hard to say “they” denied it “time and again” when their next Avengers Two Parter is called “Kang Dynasty.”
Sure does sound like Kang was supposed to be the next big bad.
Kang DYNASTY. Do you know what a dynasty is? It's a lot of people. ALL of the Kangs are supposed to be the next big bad.
The next antagonist(s) are set up to be the council of Kangs, not the one from this movie who jobbed to ants
But wasn’t this one supposed to be the worst of them all? He’s the Conqueror; as in the key namesake for which the villain is known.
It’s not even subtext, it’s the text of the movie & shows that Kang The Conqueror cannot be allowed to bring his destruction. Yet, still got his ass kicked by ants. It’s just simply bad storytelling, no reason to bend over backwards trying to defend it. And I loved the MCU. Hope it gets back on track.
Like the majority of the public I do not read comics. But ant-man sounds like the name of a joke super hero where his power is useless or self-destructive. Seriously he can shrink down? I guess that might help him dodge a bullet but what's he going to do next? Gnow on your shoe-laces until drowning in the crook's loogie?
If a joke super hero can beat this guy he must be a real push over. Do ant-man and kang fight over a picnic basket or something?
Go back Cinemaphile tourist.
I can actually field this one. See the thing about ants in real life is that they have massive strength compared to their size, that's why you often see them carrying huge pieces of food on their backs. Apply this to the concept of a human superhero and you've got someone who can throw a deceptively powerful punch, not to mention the ability to shrink and grow is utilized in such a way that he can dodge attacks in unconventional ways and attack from unexpected angles. It works pretty well in practice.
Of course this still isn't enough for some people so they also give him the ability to turn giant, because why not.
Back in the early days it used to be just shrinking while having his normal strength to fight crooks plus being able to control ants. But they wanted to make him more impressive since his teammates in the Avengers were Iron Man, Thor and Hulk, hence they turned Hank Pym into Giant-Man since it was just applying the same principle but in reverse, a size changer but now he becomes big. I actually like that the character's powers are versatile, not that he's just limited to use one size but rather can change to fit whatever is best for the current situation. And then there's the whole thing of being able to change the size of any object and combining with it insect control and now you have a guy that has a personal army at his command.
Lad, this is not 2012. Ant-Man already had 2 movies and was part of the Avengers movies, people know what he can do. Really, he's just underestimated because the character of Scott Lang is basically a funny everyman that sticks to the street level, he fits the bill of "friendly neighborhood superhero" like Spider-Man. It's just that for the third movie they wanted to do a complete 180° an put Ant-Man against the guy they were hyping up as the next Thanos to make some sort of David vs Goliath story. Only that it failed because the creative team didn't have the talent, skill and creativity to pull off such concept, and the end result is a movie with a great cast of actors with not much to do. The AntFam beating Kang was a fun thing though, they should solo Dr Doom next.
We need Squirrel Girl in the MCU, she'd be a great addition to the Ant-Man films.
Could be good, but I'm not sure if Marvel wants to make another Ant-Man film after this one.
Hm, I think it's kind of like how Thor 2 was crap but they continued making Thor films and people were happy with the result. Might be six years before it happens but I can see them giving it another shot once they figure out what they want to do with him, and in the meantime just have him be in Avengers.
They should get a new director if they want to continue, the guy they have did a fine job using Edgar Wright's storyboards for the first film but on his own it's really meh.
I feel like they should just hire Edgar Wright for real.
go back, tourist.
also ant man has massive strength compared to his size
either read comic books or have a nice day
if I shrank then jabbed a toothpick in your brain would that power still be useless?
All the Kang's were merely meant to be one large red herring something more terrifying to come.
There was a leak some time ago that said the Kang from Quantumania would come back for Secret Wars "reborn" as the MCU's Beyonder, hope it ain't true
I see this guy is played by Laurence Fishburne in one of the cartoons. That would be a pretty good choice for the live action actor too.
With all the talk of incursions lately, you'd think they'd go for the more recent ayy lmao beyonders and not the MJ homage
eh
How has 15 years of superhero film slop not managed to move the needle a single inch in terms of comic book sales? These films allegedly make billions of dollars and it doesn't result in a single extra sale.
We've sort of been over this a lot at Cinemaphile, zoomers might find golden age books boring, the art isn't what it used to be, not many good new ideas, superheroes are intimidating to get into, superhero movies are fun action flicks you can take the kids to during the summer so they shut up for 2 hours, my two cents is that's the majority of the box office minus the nerds and Indians
it's already hard for me to look at the western comics and I was born from 1995. It's not just good anymore, especially if I have all these epic mangas and manhwa
Are all millennials like this? Can you explain the appeal of japanese cartoons?
they look cool
Ironically, that image was drawn by a comic artist(Gleb Melnikov)
Man, I just tried Fire Force today because I happened to see the character designs and thought they looked good, and the amount of fanservice in the first episode was obnoxious. This is supposed to be a show for kids. I haven't watched anime as much as I used to so I forgot how depraved the Japanese are. When I saw the bulky firefighter outfits I thought maybe this show would be above doing fanservice, but nope.
I will still watch more of it because it's got a girl that's muscular without going full gorilla mode like the big woman in Dorohedoro, and I feel like I've hardly ever seen something like that in anime. So I like that about it, but I'm disappointed about the fanservice.
>These films allegedly make billions of dollars
>allegedly
Oh, you're one of those. It's a shame people bothered replying to you.
Yeah the disney corporation would never lie to you.
Hank "pimp hand" Pym is retiring and won't be there to save everyone in the sequels.
Actually funny that the MCU is the one place where they really wank Hank Pym
Why the frick did they name him Kang?
That's just his name, also checked
No it's not. His name is Nathaniel Richards. But Kang the Marvel character was created approximately 50 years before the word "kang" became an obnoxious meme, so it's kind of a "No, you move." situation.
I doubt the other Avengers can come up with something as cool as Army of Super Evolved Giant Ants to kill every single member of the Council of Kangs
Maybe if Captain Falcon had his King of the Birds thing he could have gradually upgraded until he controlled some dinosaurs that a Kang summoned to fight the Avengers
Shouldn’t have cast the ugliest gorilla Black person they could find.
>mfw Massa’s taking me to the Breaking Barn again
i don't get why they didn't let the whole franchise rest for a while
people still cared about superhero movies back when endgame released. putting the MCU on hold would've been good artistically, but it also means handing over your market share to whatever chump wants to capitalize on the hype you've generated.
Pfft.
What I'd like to know is, do the Kangs ever have sex with each other? I mean this is a guy who REALLY loves himself.
He could be the villain that loses and has to build himself up behind the scenes and comes back as an unstoppable force but that doesn't seem to be the case.