I understand that The Sprawl trilogy had the bigger impact but imo Gibson's Bridge trilogy was always the superior one. Reading Neuromancer nowadays you realize pretty fast that the book is held in such high regards because of the themes and concepts it introduced and not because of the actual writing. Young Gibson was an awful writer.
I didn't read Snow Crash for the longest time because the premise sounded moronic and I couldn't imagine a book where the main character is called "Hiro Protagonist" and wields a fricking katana being good but I'm glad I got over myself. Snow Crash is fricking fantastic and I think would translate very well to be a short tv series
Man, Snow Crash was a wild ride, that's for sure. Reading it I almost payed more attention to the world building and trying to figure out what Stephenson's political stance is, than the plot or caracters. I'm still not sure I know.
But I always took it as a given that these sort of books came with a very particular and stunted use of language. You get used to it.
Is that the Amazon prime show about the guy who dies and uploads his consciousness to a digital afterlife? If so then its not really cyber punk but it is a decent show.
People label anything that's futuristic and has Jap elements as "Cyberpunk". If it doesn't have some sort of virtual world where people interact (the cyber part of Cyberpunk) then it's just sci-fi. The internet just existing in the setting doesn't make anything Cyberpunk.
Yes, The Matrix is probably the best example. I think Existenz had some Cyberpunk elements as well. If I'm remembering Lawnmower Man correctly, I think that had some Cyberpunk elements too.
Hackers in the 80s weren't punk, they were leftist agitators simping for The Man but a Man that wears their hat instead of their mean parents' hat, i.e. their college professors who were mad that they weren't being paid as much as the people who went into business instead of academia.
"Punk" was always a corpo agenda. Corporations selling people "anarchism" complete with literal uniforms. Both profoundly ironic and profoundly sad. Imagine being the literal opposite of what you present yourself as and actually believing your own delusion. Imagine knowing that such people exist. Imagine knowing that you're among them right now. Imagine realizing that they vote. That they post on four chan. Imagine realizing that they still haven't realized what they are, what they've always been.
>"Punk" was always a corpo agenda.
Zoomer here so I don't know, was it really corpo agenda since day 1? Didn't it started as a sincere movement that was just quickly hijacked?
If it has hundreds of millions of dollars behind it, you can buy merch for it at the mall, hear it on the radio, and see it in movies portrayed positively to its target audience, it's 100% corpo. If it's moving towards that rather than away from it, it's corpo. Corporations don't support anti-corporationism. If they're supporting something that looks like that, it's not what it looks like.
By the time your mom knows about it, it's not even corpo anymore, it's the mainstream culture. Literally The Man.
The next step is your grade school teacher teaching you about what a great thing it is.
MARRY AND REPRODUCE sounds like a corpo ploy to turn you into a consumer who only exists to buy product. But it's worse than CUT YOUR DICK OFF AND DO DRUGS. That means you're not even worth selling anything to anymore.
Why have consumers, when you can have serfs or slaves instead?
So rebel against the system, tear down the institutions that keep slavery and serfdom from happening, so that it may be reinstated once again.
Whether that was always the goal of 'sticking it to the man' doesn't matter. The same machine that was oriented to sticking it to the man just as easily becomes becomes just The Man, But Worse.
And of course, then what happens is The Man just returns with a vengeance and nothing left to hold him back. Kill the king, you get an emperor. Kill the tsar, you get a dictator. Kill the government, you get the megacorp.
And then a lotta people gotta die, again, to put the fire back out again.
>MARRY AND REPRODUCE sounds like a corpo ploy to turn you into a consumer who only exists to buy product. But it's worse than CUT YOUR DICK OFF
You had me until this I hope this is a misunderstanding. Antinatalists go into the same gas chamber.
2 years ago
Anonymous
shit, I meant not as bad, the literal opposite of what I wrote
I clearly remember that corporate manipulation happening during the 90s with the introduction of grunge into the mainstream, all the colors, optimism and "futurism of the 80s is suddenly killed and turned into lame franel shirts and cynicism, "Daria" is a good example of the character.
there has been no "futurism" ever since, and now we are only left with "retro-futurism"...is very interesting how modern industrial designers have not been able to put together a modern vision of the future as they did in previous decades (basically up to the 80s)
it was already proven that burgers can't cyberpunk. Maybe the french will be able to do something but for now, japs are the only ones doing good cyberpunk.
None of those things make something Cyberpunk. Where is the Cyber part of the Cyberpunk? If there is no virtual internet (like the Matrix) where people can "jack in", then there's no Cyber.
Cyborg=Cybernetics. Man/machine interface, which extends to some degree to robotics. Anon is applying the literal meaning of the term.
Since they're implied to gengineered though, Bladerunner would probably be more "genepunk" though or Biopunk as they call it..
2 years ago
Anonymous
I get your point, but there are no Cyborgs in Blade Runner.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it is missing some mmi elements. Getting that far into synthetic humans and still needing to put on special glasses to drop bombs? Carrying your waifu on a ssd instead of your own head drive? Heh, I don't think so.
https://i.imgur.com/PYD02ti.jpg
What are some of the best cyberpunk movies/tv shows/anime?
The Gits movie was awful but still counts as a cyberpunk movie, I suppose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, If they'd at least been true robots, a case could be made for it in the sense of encompassing the actual interpersonal interactions between them and humans. I gather the term technically refers to control systems, and much of the focus of the story is the false memories used to help maintain control over replicants. The question in the context of the film though is largely moot. (depending on your definition of machine)
>If there is no virtual internet (like the Matrix) where people can "jack in", then there's no Cyber.
You have to be 18 to post here, sweet summer child.
Shitty genre, really. Lots of B movies, but very few good ones. Blade Runner, Matrix, and I don't know. That's it, pretty much. And Blade Runner doesn't feel like a cyberpunk movie.
Blade Runner is really a neo noir movie. The story doesn't really have anything to do with computers, transhumanism or anything like that. At its core the sci-fi aspect is about cloning which is not cyber punk. The sequel has more cyberpunk adjacent elements like AI companions, but the actual story still about cloning, not computers.
Replicants aren't clones, they're basically flesh androids that are indistinguishable from humans. But still very much constructed as opposed to grown fro an embryo, I would assume. Also, it's in the name of the source material. I don't remember Dick getting too much into the details, outside of just laying the vague idea that replicants appear identical to humans, even on the inside, but are still constructs and think differently.
Gits SAC is the apex of the medium. Almost a perfect anime.
Strange Days is almost 10/10 except for the stupid leftist shit at the end which almost ruins it, but the rest is so kino that I had to forgive it.
There's an audiobook version of Neuromancer on youtube that has music in the background and is the most kino way to enjoy it. It elevated the book to a new level for me.
Then there's Serial Experiments Lain which thematically has not been surpassed imo.
i'm not obsessed. the end of strange days emulates the LA riots and makes it a pivotal aspect of the movie. it's totally out of place and has nothing to do with the plot. that is a fact, not an opinion.
you need patience to watch it. it's not about muh action. the character interactions are flawless and so is the construction of the plot. the shitty netflix version understood none of that and predictably ruined it
>flawless and so is the construction of the muh plot
What? There is boarderline no plot, it's 90% visuals, the fact that it's author is mad bbc hentai artist doesn't help your case either.
>Laughing Man >peak kino just as socioculturally incisive as Neuromancer or Snow Crash were >interprets this as silly anime tropes
This is the most contrarian giga-pseud post I've seen on Cinemaphile in a decade.
> Gits SAC is the apex of the medium. Almost a perfect anime.
Is an inversion of Cyberpunk, you are literally rooting on the government-sanctioned kill squad going after anyone trying to break free of the system. I mean, it’s cool and all, just be aware you are literally going “yay establishment!”
So it's quite in tune with the manga then, in which Motoko saves a kid in a government brainwashing facility only to tell him 'Hey, kid, I'm not here to save you. You got a cyberbrain and a healthy body - get back to work and be a good citizen.'
I mean sure, but what is the point of cyberpunk, to just be cool tech noir or breaking free from societal chains to live another day? Everyone dickrides it doesn’t see the bigger stories about cover-ups and status quos it maintains.
I'd say it's more about exploring humanity in a world in which a human's uniqueness is quickly becoming irrelevant. Of course you also need the cool aesthetics.
I mean sure, but what is the point of cyberpunk, to just be cool tech noir or breaking free from societal chains to live another day? Everyone dickrides it doesn’t see the bigger stories about cover-ups and status quos it maintains.
>The protagonists have to be punk for something to qualify as cyberpunk.
This is a level of ignorance and stupidity only comparable to steam punk cosplayers.
>the stupid leftist shit at the end
It's all throughout the movie if you didn't notice, it "predicted" two female US presidents by 2024. And an ex-police officer is a wimp that needs an asskicking ex-waitress to save him on every level
>SAC
Absolute trash. Slapped together by incompetent drooling fools attempting in vain to imitate a classic. The 2nd gig on the other hand is when they brought Mamoru Oshii back to work on it and the difference in quality is incomparable.
>Johnny Mnemonic
Yes. Not perfect, about as good as Strange Days, I would say. >Existenz if it wasn’t organic
So just regular Existenz, then >Screamers >Total Recall
Not cyberpunk. It fits squarely into high concept sci-fi. Plus, Philip K Dick predates cyberpunk, even if he "grandfathered" it in a way. I would make an exception for Blade Runner (the movie) because its aesthetic deeply influenced and echoed the first cyberpunk works.
Someone give me the real reason this didn't sell well. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen in my entire life. I thought every single part of it was great.
it was not a good movie and was only praised by pseuds, incels and morons
villenueve is a hack and the only reason it was close to well rated is because cinema has fallen that far
The biggest thing missing from commentary is the comparison between implanted memories and watching television/film/social media.
We're all reaching a point where we more fake memories (the emotions we experience second-hand watching media and the knowledge of the plot/characters/relationships/morals we learn from it and how it shapes us) than real ones.
Was it a computer simulation all along and that's how you justify the multiple iterations loop? Because that technological plot device was not made evident in any way, shape or form.
What is the definition of the Cyberpunk genre? Does it have to be dystopian? Does it need to have robots? Do people need to have cyborg parts? Are neon lights a must? Does it need chinese/japanese signs in the downtown?
>Does it have to be dystopian?
yes >Does it need to have robots?
maybe >Do people need to have cyborg parts?
yes >Are neon lights a must?
they help >Does it need chinese/japanese signs in the downtown?
probably
I think what defines the core of cyber punk is trying to negotiate being human with ubitquitous technology that has dominated every facet of human existence. The themes deal with free will, what it means to be human, corruption of government that uses this technology for its own diabolical ends. The protagonist of the story deals with some or all of these issues while going through whatever the story it.
Stylistically it borrows from a lot from Gibson novels and Blade Runner has a lot to answer for in respect to the aesthetics of a cyberpunk movie. I don't think it needs neon and japanese/chinese downtown scenes, but that's how it is. I think the hypercapitalism of the technologically dominated future is more a thing. I guess the japanese/chinese inclusion is meant to represent rampant globalism. I dunno.
The core of the genre is a very advanced technology and low quality of life.
From there you derive elements that may or may not be present in a particular movie/book/whatever, but that are common in the genre, such as:
robots specially android, a.i., ubiquitous internet, international tech corporations dominating everything (specially japanese "zaibatsu"), government is virtually non-existant (replaced by corps) or corrupt, sometimes an unquestioned dictatorship.
Body implants/alterations for physical / brain function improvements, dystopia, overpopulated cities, toxic environments, electronic waste, addiction to various things from drugs to virtual words, lack of human contact, lack of empathy, diminished value of human life...
I'm feeling bored tonight so I'll redpill you: cyberpunk doesn't need any of those things, because the genre isn't based on aesthetics, it's based on themes
regardless of whatever anyone has told you, cyberpunk got its start with two books: William Burroughs Naked Lunch and Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow. read them if you want to understand the genre
what i'll tell you is the genre at its most basic is ultimately concerned with how corporations control individuals through emerging technologies, and, more often than not, individuals on the outskirts of society fighting those corporate forces or attempting to find an alternative means of living (i.e. freedom)
technically speaking cyberpunk doesn't even need to be set in the future or even be "sci-fi" as long as it has those elements. but it's also for this reason that many sci-fi films with cyberpunk elements aren't actually sci-fi. (take fifth element or equilibrium for example)
imo the best work in the genre is Serial Experiments Lain. but that's a discussion for another day
Blade Runner: The Final Cut
Strange Days
Johnny Mnemonic
Total Recall
Ghost In The Shell
Dredd
If you enjoy the aesthetic but couldn't care less about plot/dialogue, the 2017 Ghost In The Shell remake has some beautiful costume and set design and a great soundtrack. Atmosphere and world design are on point. Couldn't give less of a shit about the whole Scarlett Johansson controversy or "accuracy towards the manga/anime" though.
The GITS live action thing has nice sets and costumes, that much is true. It fails on everything else, sadly. And no, I don't care about the ethnicity of Motoko that much, it's mostly that they turned something which should be thought provoking into a generic hollywood action script and just put some interesting second-hand clothes on it.
tbf i don't think the original 1995 anime provided anything thought provoking to anyone who was already into the genre in the early to mid 90s that hadn't been brought up by writers and authors before. mortality, man in a machine world, consciousness etc had been covered before and on rewatch gits suffers from tedious exposition dumps and "entry level philosophy bUt jApAnEse" syndrome. i still love it but i think the whole "thought provooking" aspect is a bit overrated by people who were simply awed by the style and presentation or who weren't into the genre before
That's it - you're complaining GITS was just 'simple philosophical questions that have been done before' but the live action wasn't even that. It was an action flick that pretended to want to be that. Also the other point you made - people are awed by the style - that's also true. Sadly the live action couldn't even get this done by virtue of having no vision for what it is and simply rendering scenes from the anime, but this time high-res and cgi.
>you're complaining GITS was just 'simple philosophical questions that have been done before' but the live action wasn't even that. It was an action flick that pretended to want to be that.
fair point, can't disagree here. i personally enjoyed the style and vision but i understand why most don't
>somebody already covered a topic decades ago so you're not allowed to give input or clarify
You must have a thriving social life lmao
already covered a topic decades ago so you're not allowed to give input or clarify
i'm not saying "you're not allowed" i'm merely pointing out "this isn't new, it's referencing". gits heavily borrowed from blade runner, a scanner darkly, neuromancer etc. that's not a bad thing, it just means that it wasn't breaking new grounds thematically. which it didn't have to obviously
So what would be breaking new grounds in your mind
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't know, i'm not a writer. i'm just a lazy butthole pointing stuff out. snow crash was a lot more visionary than gits. so was do androids dream of electric sheep or a scanner darkly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh so you're just a whiner? Come back when you have some ideas instead of just moaning and complaining
2 years ago
Anonymous
jesus christ you are dense
Ergo Proxy.
>Ergo Proxy.
loved it. did you see texhnolyze?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession. Nobody wants to listen to someone who wants to complain and criticize without offering anything themselves. Whatever you're b***hing about is 100 times better than anything you could come up with and you know it
2 years ago
Anonymous
my dude, all i said was "gits wasn't as thought provoking as people made it out to be". i'm not saying it's a bad movie, it's one of my favorites of all time. what i offered was the perspective of the media that came before ghost in the shell and influenced/was referenced by it. if that to you is "complaining and moaning without offering anything" then i don't know what to tell you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro, stop getting so defensive. If you can come up with a single novel idea that "breaks new grounds thematically" then I'll give you props. But it sounds like you are just a professional whiner instead of somebody that has anything to offer. Feel free to prove me wrong
2 years ago
Anonymous
Man, Snow Crash was a wild ride, that's for sure. Reading it I almost payed more attention to the world building and trying to figure out what Stephenson's political stance is, than the plot or caracters. I'm still not sure I know.
But I always took it as a given that these sort of books came with a very particular and stunted use of language. You get used to it.
I understand that The Sprawl trilogy had the bigger impact but imo Gibson's Bridge trilogy was always the superior one. Reading Neuromancer nowadays you realize pretty fast that the book is held in such high regards because of the themes and concepts it introduced and not because of the actual writing. Young Gibson was an awful writer.
I didn't read Snow Crash for the longest time because the premise sounded moronic and I couldn't imagine a book where the main character is called "Hiro Protagonist" and wields a fricking katana being good but I'm glad I got over myself. Snow Crash is fricking fantastic and I think would translate very well to be a short tv series
Snow Crash and The Sprawl trilogy are interesting. But they're a very different flavour from GitS.
All the Fed chapters in Snow Crash are hilarious. I wasn't expecting the book to be as funny as it was. Also the first chapter might be one of the best in all genre fiction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stephenson is great. I kinda recommend my last read of his, D.O.D.O., for a fun take on time travel but you can sometimes tell it was co-authored with a women. For me these parts were endearing but i guess mileage might vary.
But for tech stuff Cryptonomicon and Reamde are pretty interesting, especially first taking into account when it was written.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I still regard Diamond Age as one of the best examples of worldbuilding ever in science fiction. Neil's definitely one of the best genre authors living today.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's pretty based for portraying the Chinese as a bunch of soulless bug people with completely alien morals too.
It's funny how defensive this comment mad anons here, cause it's true, despite it being a masterpiece, the live action movie isn't even one of the worser adaptions of the original manga.
Bro, stop getting so defensive. If you can come up with a single novel idea that "breaks new grounds thematically" then I'll give you props. But it sounds like you are just a professional whiner instead of somebody that has anything to offer. Feel free to prove me wrong
>stop being so defensive! >make you're own masterpiece!
cope
>gits heavily borrowed from blade runner, a scanner darkly, neuromancer etc.
It really fricking didn't.
>make you own masterpiece
Nice strawman, I asked for literally any idea but the fact that you can't come up with one proves that your criticisms are those of an envious whiny child who can only complain
GITS 1995, while being a masterpiece on its own shares next to nothing with the mood and characters of the original. The Major is not even Major, SAC at least has some of her and section 9 og personalities
>If you enjoy the aesthetic but couldn't care less about plot/dialogue, the 2017 Ghost In The Shell remake has some beautiful costume and set design and a great soundtrack. Atmosphere and world design are on point. Couldn't give less of a shit about the whole Scarlett Johansson controversy or "accuracy towards the manga/anime" though
This. It's at the same level as BR2049 visually but snobs will stick their nose up and insist it doesnt even though it totally does
Cyberpunk is
Cyber -scifi advanced technology (hitech)
Punk -lower class, edgy
Almost anything scifi that centers on poor people is cyberpunk
Unless you mean the rainy neon aesthetic
I consider Scanner Darkly cyberpunk on account of being written by Dick and involving problems with society and technology. It's just somewhat low stakes and taking place in suburbs, but cyberpunk isn't all neons and fights against megacorps always.
Oh, damn, haven't thought about it that way, but I agree with you. And it's a very good movie. Also I generally recommend to everyone to read more of Dick's works, read Now Wait for Last Year recently, and it starts slow but once it gets going it's one of his best.
Gibson's Count Zero also delves into that territory, with the secondary character being a lowtier hacker living in drug-addled suburbs. Personally I think these kind of (sub)stories are even more important and relatable than Blade Runner, because even with today's tech grow the country has somewhat same people but adapting rather than embracing. I now remember how people were mocking Cyberpunk2077's trailer for showing a redneck with a decked out sawn-off. In these futures that would be completely believable, but the biggest movies focus on the megacities and megacorps with no regard to people outside. On that tangent I somewhat nerdily enjoyed that episode of Love Death Robots with farmers in mechs and would almost lump it into the genre as well if not for aliens or demons or whatever they were.
right-wing handmaiden's tale would have the fertile women wielding power
women are only treated as property when they have no value. as usual, leftists get it backwards, because they are genuinely idiots
Yeah I was wondering about cyberpunk that would have a right-wing message, not just leftwing propaganda fetishslop like handmaids tale. Something where the global corporations encourage the poor and uneducated to kill their babies and have poopy butt sex instead of reproducing while attempting to eradicate or neutralize religion. Something where wealthy cosmopolitans with high verbal iq try to dilute threatening populations and ethnically engineer new collectivist, racially ambiguous, genderless bug people that are easily controlled and help them stamp out all opposition
Right wing cyberpunk is reality. >Corpos using tech to control free speech for their benefit. >Society being constantly force-fed left wing propaganda through all forms of media and entertainment. >Major news outlets are now propaganda aggregators. >State and corpo sanctioned mobs coming after people in cyberspace and burning down cities. >Platforms, hosting and banking locked down by leftist monopolies, so that right wingers have to retreat to crypto and the dark net.
>What would a right wing cyberpunk movie look like?
interesting question, I would say it would have to be based on Art-deco... I think Batman the animated series is a good "model" also Metropolis and Gattaca... the theme leaning somewhat more on class issues than transhumanism and cybernetics.
For me, a film, story or series needs one very clear thing to be qualified as cyberpunk. It needs to address the question "what does it mean to be human when our bodies are being augmented/replaced by machines, and what defines being human in the first place". It's not a genre about only the aesthetics, the neon lights, punk looks, etc, but mostly about those questions.
So Bladerunner, The Matrix and GitS are the quintessential cyberpunk movies, above all the rest. The entire genre comes from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, which those three really really took inspiration from.
Based. I'm sure analyzing the term cyberpunk and its history as a sub-genre we'd get a definition like 'depicting an oppressed hero in a gritty processor-dominated world', but what you sad seems more in line with the actual meaning of it for me. Everything else is aesthetiics.
I thought the first season of Psycho-Pass was pretty good, decent moral dilemma story and the tech in the world causes many problems for the average joe.
I want cyberpunk but instead of high tech low life I want high tech shrinking middle class where the characters are given a choice to either become goy cattle for israeli overlords or become israeli overlords themselves
If a story about real life 2022 China, with neon cities, mass surveillance, and corpo-government evasion in cyberspace was written back in the 1980s, everyone would call it cyberpunk. Think about that
Actually truth was always in dispute due to the nature of my statements
if anyone can call anyone anything with the truth of their statements being irrelevant then what is the purpose of controverting my statements?
Unless it actually became true decades later which is what happened to cyberpunk after 30-40 years, it's almost like they were trying to warn the public
>Garbage >Couldn't get past the first episode
Wow, you and your subjectively correct but short attention span sure showed me. I watched the whole season before forming an opinion, but I guess that's the stupid way of doing things.
Until The End of the World... the 4 1/2 hour long directors cut is a top 10 best cyberpunk movie. and it came before 99% of things we call cyberpunk existed, so it helped to define the genre.
detective noir, with a femme fatale in a fallen dystopian world where everyone is powerless against computers/technology and the villian is a shadowy corporation or Deep State entity trying to kill the hero to prevent him from overthrowing their world order.
Transhumanism run amok with hot babes and stunning visuals. Add to that a slightly sanitized version of the average /misc/ thread and you got Cyberpunk.
If we are being pedantic (we are), we can lean on the idea of “post-cyberpunk” as being a more fitting genre for the majority of films mentioned in this thread. But honestly who gives a frick, the themes are largely the same and the aesthetic trappings that seem to form the criteria for “true” cyberpunk aren’t really the most important elements in most cases
The sound design in Serial Experiments: Lain is awesome. Sounds phasing in and out in a confusing manner, the constant hum of power lines, delay effects applied to rhythmic everyday sounds(typing, writing on a chalkboard) etc.
the background hum of the power lines represents the constant chatter of electronic communication in the digital world, ever present but intangible to the individual caught within the swarm
There really aren't any good cyberpunk films. They're pretty much always style over substance. I blame Blade Runner.
So what constitutes good cyberpunk medium? If you have some suggestion please let me know I am trying to find such a gem, even if its a book.
Snow Crash and The Sprawl trilogy are interesting. But they're a very different flavour from GitS.
I understand that The Sprawl trilogy had the bigger impact but imo Gibson's Bridge trilogy was always the superior one. Reading Neuromancer nowadays you realize pretty fast that the book is held in such high regards because of the themes and concepts it introduced and not because of the actual writing. Young Gibson was an awful writer.
I didn't read Snow Crash for the longest time because the premise sounded moronic and I couldn't imagine a book where the main character is called "Hiro Protagonist" and wields a fricking katana being good but I'm glad I got over myself. Snow Crash is fricking fantastic and I think would translate very well to be a short tv series
Man, Snow Crash was a wild ride, that's for sure. Reading it I almost payed more attention to the world building and trying to figure out what Stephenson's political stance is, than the plot or caracters. I'm still not sure I know.
But I always took it as a given that these sort of books came with a very particular and stunted use of language. You get used to it.
Read altered carbon, snowcrash, when gravity fails, neuromancer, virtual light, burning chrome
Cyberpunk is at its best when its hi tech, low life
>hi tech, low life
any recommendations for short story collections?
I really enjoyed Slipping by Lauren Beukes
The Stars My Destination remains one of the pioneering cyberpunk novels and is one of my favorites ever
>I blame Blade Runner.
Do you??
Hardware
what a banger
I'd say it's style over substance but I'll be damned if I don't love it
Is Upgrade cyberpunk?
never heard about it but its listed as a cyberpunk movie. Thanks will check it out
It's pretty cool
Yes and it's kino
Is that the Amazon prime show about the guy who dies and uploads his consciousness to a digital afterlife? If so then its not really cyber punk but it is a decent show.
No, you're thinking about Upload
Upgrade is about a paralyzed guy who gets a neural chip implanted in his spine
It's basically Venom but good
I thought Upgrade was the pimp in Idiocracy
Naw dawg. That's Upgrayyedd
With two d's for a double dose of this pimping
A pimp's love is very different from that of a square
Absolutely and it’s 200x better than the shitpile that was the gits live action film. Why does everyone suddenly think LE NEON LIGHTS=cyberpunk
Yes and one of the better cyberpunk movies even though it's just Venom 2018
It's scifi-schlock. God it's cringey. Once you get over that stupid motion tracking gimmick the writing is atrocious and it's so goofy.
Get over yourself, you utter wiener.
the armitage opening is a straight fricking banger
great soundtrack too
I have seen some good gifs from this show, another one added to the list
bubblegum is dope af
I like the old Anime style and I'm not even a weeb. Might check this out
Bubblegum crisis is way more enjoyable than its premise has any right to be but it’s not cyberpunk
then wtf is Genom?
Bubblegum Crisis 2040 was one of my first anime, and it was fricking great too.
People label anything that's futuristic and has Jap elements as "Cyberpunk". If it doesn't have some sort of virtual world where people interact (the cyber part of Cyberpunk) then it's just sci-fi. The internet just existing in the setting doesn't make anything Cyberpunk.
So are there any true cyberpunk movies?
Yes, The Matrix is probably the best example. I think Existenz had some Cyberpunk elements as well. If I'm remembering Lawnmower Man correctly, I think that had some Cyberpunk elements too.
existenz is more bio punk but give it a go.
You are right, that's a point I definitely won't dispute.
Some say it has to have bionic implants. Some say it was Neuromancer that gave birth to it all.
I think it has to have themes of
>Mega Corps
>Dystopian technological society
>Existentialism
>Noir Mystery
>Punk anarchist elements
The hackers in the 80's considered themselves cyberpunk and I cant argue with that. So in its purest form its Punk in a Computer Networked world.
Strange Days is a movie I recommend.
Hackers in the 80s weren't punk, they were leftist agitators simping for The Man but a Man that wears their hat instead of their mean parents' hat, i.e. their college professors who were mad that they weren't being paid as much as the people who went into business instead of academia.
"Punk" was always a corpo agenda. Corporations selling people "anarchism" complete with literal uniforms. Both profoundly ironic and profoundly sad. Imagine being the literal opposite of what you present yourself as and actually believing your own delusion. Imagine knowing that such people exist. Imagine knowing that you're among them right now. Imagine realizing that they vote. That they post on four chan. Imagine realizing that they still haven't realized what they are, what they've always been.
Imagine that.
tf is a four chan?
famous hacker and poseur, like the rest of them
>"Punk" was always a corpo agenda.
Zoomer here so I don't know, was it really corpo agenda since day 1? Didn't it started as a sincere movement that was just quickly hijacked?
Once it got a label it's corp agenda.
If it has hundreds of millions of dollars behind it, you can buy merch for it at the mall, hear it on the radio, and see it in movies portrayed positively to its target audience, it's 100% corpo. If it's moving towards that rather than away from it, it's corpo. Corporations don't support anti-corporationism. If they're supporting something that looks like that, it's not what it looks like.
By the time your mom knows about it, it's not even corpo anymore, it's the mainstream culture. Literally The Man.
The next step is your grade school teacher teaching you about what a great thing it is.
MARRY AND REPRODUCE sounds like a corpo ploy to turn you into a consumer who only exists to buy product. But it's worse than CUT YOUR DICK OFF AND DO DRUGS. That means you're not even worth selling anything to anymore.
Why have consumers, when you can have serfs or slaves instead?
So rebel against the system, tear down the institutions that keep slavery and serfdom from happening, so that it may be reinstated once again.
Whether that was always the goal of 'sticking it to the man' doesn't matter. The same machine that was oriented to sticking it to the man just as easily becomes becomes just The Man, But Worse.
And of course, then what happens is The Man just returns with a vengeance and nothing left to hold him back. Kill the king, you get an emperor. Kill the tsar, you get a dictator. Kill the government, you get the megacorp.
And then a lotta people gotta die, again, to put the fire back out again.
pic unrelated, it's my dog
>MARRY AND REPRODUCE sounds like a corpo ploy to turn you into a consumer who only exists to buy product. But it's worse than CUT YOUR DICK OFF
You had me until this I hope this is a misunderstanding. Antinatalists go into the same gas chamber.
shit, I meant not as bad, the literal opposite of what I wrote
so
>not worse than
's cool
cute dog, what's his name?
very true
I clearly remember that corporate manipulation happening during the 90s with the introduction of grunge into the mainstream, all the colors, optimism and "futurism of the 80s is suddenly killed and turned into lame franel shirts and cynicism, "Daria" is a good example of the character.
there has been no "futurism" ever since, and now we are only left with "retro-futurism"...is very interesting how modern industrial designers have not been able to put together a modern vision of the future as they did in previous decades (basically up to the 80s)
Yeah it's a reddit tier meme now coz that moronic video game came out. Nobody has even heard of William Gibson.
This thread is no exception, one of the first movies people are jerking off to is "upgrade" for gods sake.
For it's budget, it's more than close enough.
it was already proven that burgers can't cyberpunk. Maybe the french will be able to do something but for now, japs are the only ones doing good cyberpunk.
>muh Blade Runner
no
Blade Runner's incorporation of noir elements into the genre is based and contrarianism won't change that fact.
>contrarianism
lol, cope
Blade Runner is not Cyberpunk, though. There's no Cyber elements, just a man on the streets.
You have cyborgs/replicants, mechanical animals and Japanese city.
None of those things make something Cyberpunk. Where is the Cyber part of the Cyberpunk? If there is no virtual internet (like the Matrix) where people can "jack in", then there's no Cyber.
Cyborg=Cybernetics. Man/machine interface, which extends to some degree to robotics. Anon is applying the literal meaning of the term.
Since they're implied to gengineered though, Bladerunner would probably be more "genepunk" though or Biopunk as they call it..
I get your point, but there are no Cyborgs in Blade Runner.
Yeah, it is missing some mmi elements. Getting that far into synthetic humans and still needing to put on special glasses to drop bombs? Carrying your waifu on a ssd instead of your own head drive? Heh, I don't think so.
The Gits movie was awful but still counts as a cyberpunk movie, I suppose.
Yeah, If they'd at least been true robots, a case could be made for it in the sense of encompassing the actual interpersonal interactions between them and humans. I gather the term technically refers to control systems, and much of the focus of the story is the false memories used to help maintain control over replicants. The question in the context of the film though is largely moot. (depending on your definition of machine)
>If there is no virtual internet (like the Matrix) where people can "jack in", then there's no Cyber.
You have to be 18 to post here, sweet summer child.
Strange Days
>le cops are le oppressing le blacks
Yawn
>Strange Days
That movie fricking sucked. Saw it in the theater and left pissed. Absolutely ZERO payoff for your time. Negative payoff in fact.
You want a slow burn with a payoff watch pic related
Shitty genre, really. Lots of B movies, but very few good ones. Blade Runner, Matrix, and I don't know. That's it, pretty much. And Blade Runner doesn't feel like a cyberpunk movie.
if matrix released in 2022 it would be immediately labeled as a troony movie and get discarded
3 anons have said this and that are not cyberpunk ..so what are some good cyberpunk movies according to you?
Movie - Blade Runner
Anime - GitS
Book - Neuromancer
Vide Game - Deus Ex
Honorable mention for system shock on the vidya end.
Not super original there fren, but absolutely correct I guess
Blade Runner is really a neo noir movie. The story doesn't really have anything to do with computers, transhumanism or anything like that. At its core the sci-fi aspect is about cloning which is not cyber punk. The sequel has more cyberpunk adjacent elements like AI companions, but the actual story still about cloning, not computers.
Replicants aren't clones, they're basically flesh androids that are indistinguishable from humans. But still very much constructed as opposed to grown fro an embryo, I would assume. Also, it's in the name of the source material. I don't remember Dick getting too much into the details, outside of just laying the vague idea that replicants appear identical to humans, even on the inside, but are still constructs and think differently.
Seen Blade runner and GitS. Will check out the book and game..thanks
Gits SAC is the apex of the medium. Almost a perfect anime.
Strange Days is almost 10/10 except for the stupid leftist shit at the end which almost ruins it, but the rest is so kino that I had to forgive it.
There's an audiobook version of Neuromancer on youtube that has music in the background and is the most kino way to enjoy it. It elevated the book to a new level for me.
Then there's Serial Experiments Lain which thematically has not been surpassed imo.
Thanks for the recommendations. Will check it out
>except for the stupid leftist shit at the end which almost ruins it
Stop being obsessed. It's not good for your brain.
i'm not obsessed. the end of strange days emulates the LA riots and makes it a pivotal aspect of the movie. it's totally out of place and has nothing to do with the plot. that is a fact, not an opinion.
t. leftist loony troon
>Gits SAC
Sucks. Lacks all the soul of the movie and replaces it with silly typical anime tropes.
you need patience to watch it. it's not about muh action. the character interactions are flawless and so is the construction of the plot. the shitty netflix version understood none of that and predictably ruined it
>flawless and so is the construction of the muh plot
What? There is boarderline no plot, it's 90% visuals, the fact that it's author is mad bbc hentai artist doesn't help your case either.
SAC is entry level movie at best
you're a fricking moron if you think stand alone complex had no plot.
t. brainlet
U are thinking of GiaS Arise
>soul
Frick off pseud. GITS:SAC is a masterpiece. Just because it doesn't look like Blade Runner you didn't like it.
>Laughing Man
>peak kino just as socioculturally incisive as Neuromancer or Snow Crash were
>interprets this as silly anime tropes
This is the most contrarian giga-pseud post I've seen on Cinemaphile in a decade.
>interprets this as silly anime tropes
You see what i mean now? This is trash compared to 1995.
> Gits SAC is the apex of the medium. Almost a perfect anime.
Is an inversion of Cyberpunk, you are literally rooting on the government-sanctioned kill squad going after anyone trying to break free of the system. I mean, it’s cool and all, just be aware you are literally going “yay establishment!”
So it's quite in tune with the manga then, in which Motoko saves a kid in a government brainwashing facility only to tell him 'Hey, kid, I'm not here to save you. You got a cyberbrain and a healthy body - get back to work and be a good citizen.'
I mean sure, but what is the point of cyberpunk, to just be cool tech noir or breaking free from societal chains to live another day? Everyone dickrides it doesn’t see the bigger stories about cover-ups and status quos it maintains.
You can still make social commentary with status-quo supporting characters.
I'd say it's more about exploring humanity in a world in which a human's uniqueness is quickly becoming irrelevant. Of course you also need the cool aesthetics.
the mark you missed is 2000 nautical miles over there ----->
you have no clue what you're talking about
>The protagonists have to be punk for something to qualify as cyberpunk.
This is a level of ignorance and stupidity only comparable to steam punk cosplayers.
Whats more cyberpunk than a bunch of death squad members with more augmentations that god himself crushing rebels?
>the stupid leftist shit at the end
It's all throughout the movie if you didn't notice, it "predicted" two female US presidents by 2024. And an ex-police officer is a wimp that needs an asskicking ex-waitress to save him on every level
>SAC
Absolute trash. Slapped together by incompetent drooling fools attempting in vain to imitate a classic. The 2nd gig on the other hand is when they brought Mamoru Oshii back to work on it and the difference in quality is incomparable.
>Cinemaphile - Television & Films
>only anime listed
Miniority Raport; I Robot and Equilibrium is peak holywood cyberpunk kino
Surrogates is a more cyberpunk version of I Robot.
>Almost Human
>Minority Report
>APB
Fox really wanted a futuristic cop show but couldn't pull it off.
>Surrogates
holy shit, i completely forgot about this movie's existence for 12 years
The ending made me thinking; what if someone were to shut down all OUR internet globally? What will happened then?
Psycho Pass
The Matrix
Robocop
Johnny Mnemonic
Existenz if it wasn’t organic
Ready Player One
Screamers
Avalon
Total Recall
not even one of them is cyberpunk
>Johnny Mnemonic
I enjoyed this one
>Johnny Mnemonic
Yes. Not perfect, about as good as Strange Days, I would say.
>Existenz if it wasn’t organic
So just regular Existenz, then
>Screamers
>Total Recall
Not cyberpunk. It fits squarely into high concept sci-fi. Plus, Philip K Dick predates cyberpunk, even if he "grandfathered" it in a way. I would make an exception for Blade Runner (the movie) because its aesthetic deeply influenced and echoed the first cyberpunk works.
Someone give me the real reason this didn't sell well. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen in my entire life. I thought every single part of it was great.
>It's one of the best movies I've ever seen in my entire life
Watch 2000 more movies
Because it's a shitty movie.
>not being able to spot a shitty movie
Must be nice...
Never reply to me, midwit.
(You) defend (You)r claims well, oh great brainlord!
Too damn slow, and I love this movie.
Pretentious and not really Cyberpunk (just like the first one).
You CAN love it, though. It's your choice.
tbh not even the first Blade Runner sold well
it was not a good movie and was only praised by pseuds, incels and morons
villenueve is a hack and the only reason it was close to well rated is because cinema has fallen that far
You're a no taste homosexual
Filtered by Vil
SO TRUE
I CANT WAIT FOR HIS NEXT SLOW BURN VISUAL MASTERPIECE
how much of a pleb must you be to think any of villeneuve's films are slow burn?
>dune
slowburn
>arrival
slowburn
>br 2049
slowburn
>sicario
slowburn
I could go on
Absolutely Kino and till this day not much compares.
Neo-Tokyo is on par.
Magnetic Rose is incredible
found recently nice serie Almost.Human, cops in cyberpunk era; shit evolves with watching, so try few episodes
Cyber City Odeo 808
mega based
Blade Runner 2049 is one of the best and has been completely misunderstood so far by 99% of commentators on the internet that I've seen.
How was it misunderstood?
The biggest thing missing from commentary is the comparison between implanted memories and watching television/film/social media.
We're all reaching a point where we more fake memories (the emotions we experience second-hand watching media and the knowledge of the plot/characters/relationships/morals we learn from it and how it shapes us) than real ones.
Post the some kino webms with gits, frens.
GITS
The Blade Runner movies (which are kino and Cinemaphile liked them last week idk what these contrarians ITT are saying)
One Point O
Nirvana
>One Point O
Holy shit I watched this when I was 18 and never heard about it ever again. Gonna give it a rewatch.
Johnny Mneumonic sucks but it’s VERY cyberpunk
>cyberpunk
>hardcore henry
>cyberpounk_list:
>Run Lola Run
Was it a computer simulation all along and that's how you justify the multiple iterations loop? Because that technological plot device was not made evident in any way, shape or form.
Can't read that, what are the movies?
I think this was the movie I couldnt remember. Good looking out choomba.
haven't seen this kino posted very often
Patrician tastes
What is the definition of the Cyberpunk genre? Does it have to be dystopian? Does it need to have robots? Do people need to have cyborg parts? Are neon lights a must? Does it need chinese/japanese signs in the downtown?
This genre always confused me...
>Does it have to be dystopian?
to an extent, i think so - that's what the 'punk' element designates
>Does it have to be dystopian?
yes
>Does it need to have robots?
maybe
>Do people need to have cyborg parts?
yes
>Are neon lights a must?
they help
>Does it need chinese/japanese signs in the downtown?
probably
I think what defines the core of cyber punk is trying to negotiate being human with ubitquitous technology that has dominated every facet of human existence. The themes deal with free will, what it means to be human, corruption of government that uses this technology for its own diabolical ends. The protagonist of the story deals with some or all of these issues while going through whatever the story it.
Stylistically it borrows from a lot from Gibson novels and Blade Runner has a lot to answer for in respect to the aesthetics of a cyberpunk movie. I don't think it needs neon and japanese/chinese downtown scenes, but that's how it is. I think the hypercapitalism of the technologically dominated future is more a thing. I guess the japanese/chinese inclusion is meant to represent rampant globalism. I dunno.
The core of the genre is a very advanced technology and low quality of life.
From there you derive elements that may or may not be present in a particular movie/book/whatever, but that are common in the genre, such as:
robots specially android, a.i., ubiquitous internet, international tech corporations dominating everything (specially japanese "zaibatsu"), government is virtually non-existant (replaced by corps) or corrupt, sometimes an unquestioned dictatorship.
Body implants/alterations for physical / brain function improvements, dystopia, overpopulated cities, toxic environments, electronic waste, addiction to various things from drugs to virtual words, lack of human contact, lack of empathy, diminished value of human life...
>dystopian: great suffering or injustice
>transhumanism
why would anyone watch this shit? who watches this?
watches what?
cyberpunk movies
it's nice to think it can always get worse
high tech, low life
To vague
I'm feeling bored tonight so I'll redpill you: cyberpunk doesn't need any of those things, because the genre isn't based on aesthetics, it's based on themes
regardless of whatever anyone has told you, cyberpunk got its start with two books: William Burroughs Naked Lunch and Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow. read them if you want to understand the genre
what i'll tell you is the genre at its most basic is ultimately concerned with how corporations control individuals through emerging technologies, and, more often than not, individuals on the outskirts of society fighting those corporate forces or attempting to find an alternative means of living (i.e. freedom)
technically speaking cyberpunk doesn't even need to be set in the future or even be "sci-fi" as long as it has those elements. but it's also for this reason that many sci-fi films with cyberpunk elements aren't actually sci-fi. (take fifth element or equilibrium for example)
imo the best work in the genre is Serial Experiments Lain. but that's a discussion for another day
*aren't actually cyberpunk
i like cyberpunk with killer robots
film?
death machine, even has brad dourif in it.
thanks bro
The Thirteenth Floor
Cypher 2002
Brainscan
>The Thirteenth Floor
GOAT
>Animatrix
>Mezzo Forte
>Armitage
>Metropolis
>Lain
>Perfect blue
I just watched mad God, which was fun and cyberpunk in a certain way. Don't expect too coherent of a story though
Blade Runner: The Final Cut
Strange Days
Johnny Mnemonic
Total Recall
Ghost In The Shell
Dredd
If you enjoy the aesthetic but couldn't care less about plot/dialogue, the 2017 Ghost In The Shell remake has some beautiful costume and set design and a great soundtrack. Atmosphere and world design are on point. Couldn't give less of a shit about the whole Scarlett Johansson controversy or "accuracy towards the manga/anime" though.
The GITS live action thing has nice sets and costumes, that much is true. It fails on everything else, sadly. And no, I don't care about the ethnicity of Motoko that much, it's mostly that they turned something which should be thought provoking into a generic hollywood action script and just put some interesting second-hand clothes on it.
tbf i don't think the original 1995 anime provided anything thought provoking to anyone who was already into the genre in the early to mid 90s that hadn't been brought up by writers and authors before. mortality, man in a machine world, consciousness etc had been covered before and on rewatch gits suffers from tedious exposition dumps and "entry level philosophy bUt jApAnEse" syndrome. i still love it but i think the whole "thought provooking" aspect is a bit overrated by people who were simply awed by the style and presentation or who weren't into the genre before
>already discussed
>still comes to threads on Cinemaphile to not discuss it again
So, basically, why anything because it's already done. Ok.
>missing the point this hard
no u
That's it - you're complaining GITS was just 'simple philosophical questions that have been done before' but the live action wasn't even that. It was an action flick that pretended to want to be that. Also the other point you made - people are awed by the style - that's also true. Sadly the live action couldn't even get this done by virtue of having no vision for what it is and simply rendering scenes from the anime, but this time high-res and cgi.
>you're complaining GITS was just 'simple philosophical questions that have been done before' but the live action wasn't even that. It was an action flick that pretended to want to be that.
fair point, can't disagree here. i personally enjoyed the style and vision but i understand why most don't
already covered a topic decades ago so you're not allowed to give input or clarify
i'm not saying "you're not allowed" i'm merely pointing out "this isn't new, it's referencing". gits heavily borrowed from blade runner, a scanner darkly, neuromancer etc. that's not a bad thing, it just means that it wasn't breaking new grounds thematically. which it didn't have to obviously
So what would be breaking new grounds in your mind
i don't know, i'm not a writer. i'm just a lazy butthole pointing stuff out. snow crash was a lot more visionary than gits. so was do androids dream of electric sheep or a scanner darkly.
Oh so you're just a whiner? Come back when you have some ideas instead of just moaning and complaining
jesus christ you are dense
>Ergo Proxy.
loved it. did you see texhnolyze?
I accept your concession. Nobody wants to listen to someone who wants to complain and criticize without offering anything themselves. Whatever you're b***hing about is 100 times better than anything you could come up with and you know it
my dude, all i said was "gits wasn't as thought provoking as people made it out to be". i'm not saying it's a bad movie, it's one of my favorites of all time. what i offered was the perspective of the media that came before ghost in the shell and influenced/was referenced by it. if that to you is "complaining and moaning without offering anything" then i don't know what to tell you.
Bro, stop getting so defensive. If you can come up with a single novel idea that "breaks new grounds thematically" then I'll give you props. But it sounds like you are just a professional whiner instead of somebody that has anything to offer. Feel free to prove me wrong
All the Fed chapters in Snow Crash are hilarious. I wasn't expecting the book to be as funny as it was. Also the first chapter might be one of the best in all genre fiction.
Stephenson is great. I kinda recommend my last read of his, D.O.D.O., for a fun take on time travel but you can sometimes tell it was co-authored with a women. For me these parts were endearing but i guess mileage might vary.
But for tech stuff Cryptonomicon and Reamde are pretty interesting, especially first taking into account when it was written.
I still regard Diamond Age as one of the best examples of worldbuilding ever in science fiction. Neil's definitely one of the best genre authors living today.
It's pretty based for portraying the Chinese as a bunch of soulless bug people with completely alien morals too.
>gits heavily borrowed from blade runner, a scanner darkly, neuromancer etc.
It really fricking didn't.
He's just here to practice complaining
>somebody already covered a topic decades ago so you're not allowed to give input or clarify
You must have a thriving social life lmao
It's funny how defensive this comment mad anons here, cause it's true, despite it being a masterpiece, the live action movie isn't even one of the worser adaptions of the original manga.
>stop being so defensive!
>make you're own masterpiece!
cope
same seething gay
>make you own masterpiece
Nice strawman, I asked for literally any idea but the fact that you can't come up with one proves that your criticisms are those of an envious whiny child who can only complain
different anon moron
GITS 1995, while being a masterpiece on its own shares next to nothing with the mood and characters of the original. The Major is not even Major, SAC at least has some of her and section 9 og personalities
I want a manga adaptation slice of life anime of Ghost in The Shell.
>If you enjoy the aesthetic but couldn't care less about plot/dialogue, the 2017 Ghost In The Shell remake has some beautiful costume and set design and a great soundtrack. Atmosphere and world design are on point. Couldn't give less of a shit about the whole Scarlett Johansson controversy or "accuracy towards the manga/anime" though
This. It's at the same level as BR2049 visually but snobs will stick their nose up and insist it doesnt even though it totally does
Baoh The Visitor
bit of a stretch to say it's cyberpunk but yeah it's cool
High Tech
Low Life
based. this is one of my favourite cronenberg's
Anyone else here hate the first GitS but really enjoy innocence?
>Ghost in the Shell
sorry anon, i don't watch blackedshit
yeah frog, thats righte
oh man, I really like BBC
after a long day of work I only want to sit and relax watching BBC porn (2D, 3DCGI, etc). I don't fap though, that's disrespectful to the BBC.
I don't know if it is cyberpunk or not, but I want to mention Until the End of the World.
Mucho basedo
Ergo Proxy.
Cyberpunk is
Cyber -scifi advanced technology (hitech)
Punk -lower class, edgy
Almost anything scifi that centers on poor people is cyberpunk
Unless you mean the rainy neon aesthetic
I consider Scanner Darkly cyberpunk on account of being written by Dick and involving problems with society and technology. It's just somewhat low stakes and taking place in suburbs, but cyberpunk isn't all neons and fights against megacorps always.
And moment after I hit reply I remembered Scanner Darkly's plot actually is about a fight against a bigger "legal" organization.
Oh, damn, haven't thought about it that way, but I agree with you. And it's a very good movie. Also I generally recommend to everyone to read more of Dick's works, read Now Wait for Last Year recently, and it starts slow but once it gets going it's one of his best.
Gibson's Count Zero also delves into that territory, with the secondary character being a lowtier hacker living in drug-addled suburbs. Personally I think these kind of (sub)stories are even more important and relatable than Blade Runner, because even with today's tech grow the country has somewhat same people but adapting rather than embracing. I now remember how people were mocking Cyberpunk2077's trailer for showing a redneck with a decked out sawn-off. In these futures that would be completely believable, but the biggest movies focus on the megacities and megacorps with no regard to people outside. On that tangent I somewhat nerdily enjoyed that episode of Love Death Robots with farmers in mechs and would almost lump it into the genre as well if not for aliens or demons or whatever they were.
What would a right wing cyberpunk movie look like? Basically what we have right now in society?
right-wing cyberpunk would be some luddite stuff
Handmaid's Tale
handmaid's tale is left-wing victimporn
right-wing handmaiden's tale would have the fertile women wielding power
women are only treated as property when they have no value. as usual, leftists get it backwards, because they are genuinely idiots
Hm guess you're right
Yeah I was wondering about cyberpunk that would have a right-wing message, not just leftwing propaganda fetishslop like handmaids tale. Something where the global corporations encourage the poor and uneducated to kill their babies and have poopy butt sex instead of reproducing while attempting to eradicate or neutralize religion. Something where wealthy cosmopolitans with high verbal iq try to dilute threatening populations and ethnically engineer new collectivist, racially ambiguous, genderless bug people that are easily controlled and help them stamp out all opposition
wtf i love cyberpunk now
Lord of the World, except it's technology is pretty lame, but it was written in 1900s
Right wing cyberpunk is reality.
>Corpos using tech to control free speech for their benefit.
>Society being constantly force-fed left wing propaganda through all forms of media and entertainment.
>Major news outlets are now propaganda aggregators.
>State and corpo sanctioned mobs coming after people in cyberspace and burning down cities.
>Platforms, hosting and banking locked down by leftist monopolies, so that right wingers have to retreat to crypto and the dark net.
Etc.
Yeah, I want some independent filmmaker to make something that captures this and has an explicitly, unapologetic right wing message
Some adaptation of 0HPLovecraft would fit the bill, maybe. But that's never gonna happen.
>What would a right wing cyberpunk movie look like?
interesting question, I would say it would have to be based on Art-deco... I think Batman the animated series is a good "model" also Metropolis and Gattaca... the theme leaning somewhat more on class issues than transhumanism and cybernetics.
anime is objectively cringe
Dark City is one of my favorites.
Deus Ex Human Revolution Trailer
The Longest Journey
>b-but's it's a video ga...
don't care
>but't it's not cyberpunk at al...
don't care, it's the best cyberpunk kino
This game desperately needs a faithful remaster, just for conservation purposes and for zoomers to play it.
Nirvana
Is Possessor classed as cyberpunk?
Reminiscence
Automata
Minority Report
For me, a film, story or series needs one very clear thing to be qualified as cyberpunk. It needs to address the question "what does it mean to be human when our bodies are being augmented/replaced by machines, and what defines being human in the first place". It's not a genre about only the aesthetics, the neon lights, punk looks, etc, but mostly about those questions.
So Bladerunner, The Matrix and GitS are the quintessential cyberpunk movies, above all the rest. The entire genre comes from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, which those three really really took inspiration from.
Based. I'm sure analyzing the term cyberpunk and its history as a sub-genre we'd get a definition like 'depicting an oppressed hero in a gritty processor-dominated world', but what you sad seems more in line with the actual meaning of it for me. Everything else is aesthetiics.
I thought the first season of Psycho-Pass was pretty good, decent moral dilemma story and the tech in the world causes many problems for the average joe.
Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence
Blade Runner 2049
Animatrix
Samurai Jack
AI: Artificial Intelligence (no really, try it)
Chrysalis.
Underrated French cyberpunk kino.
I don't even really frick with dubstep but this song is great.
If I thought they wouldn't frick it up I'd like to see a Hardwired movie or show.
I want cyberpunk but instead of high tech low life I want high tech shrinking middle class where the characters are given a choice to either become goy cattle for israeli overlords or become israeli overlords themselves
That's just modern post-graduate life.
Cyberpunk doesn't have to be about class struggle. It can also be about gender or race or atheists (good) versus religion (bad)
>atheists (good) versus religion (bad)
not necessarily, there are stories where religion good but faltering
Hardware, Tetsuo, Videodrome, Scanners, Rubber's Lover
Hackers (1995)
Not sure if this qualifies but its fricking based nonetheless and doesnt get enough attention
>Blame!
>bad
Never change Cinemaphile
I dont know whats worse. Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile
>defending the Blame movie
NOT very Cyberpunk of you
if you like the movie you hate the manga
it is mutually exclusive
Robocop?
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Cyberpunk doesn't have to be science fiction, Hackers was the definition of high tech-low life. Along with all the Gibson references
>Cyberpunk doesn't have to be science fiction
yes it does
high tech low life doesn't mean shit if there's no cyber
If a story about real life 2022 China, with neon cities, mass surveillance, and corpo-government evasion in cyberspace was written back in the 1980s, everyone would call it cyberpunk. Think about that
if everybody called the sky an amoeba that wouldn't make it true
"True" isn't what's being asked. It's whether or not people believe that's what it is.
Actually truth was always in dispute due to the nature of my statements
if anyone can call anyone anything with the truth of their statements being irrelevant then what is the purpose of controverting my statements?
Animatrix was good but it's not cyberpunk
Unless it actually became true decades later which is what happened to cyberpunk after 30-40 years, it's almost like they were trying to warn the public
…anyways
o-bi o-ba: the end of civilisation
dead man's letters
ga-ga: glory to the heroes
tetsuo the iron man
akira
angel's egg
Æon Flux
Absolute kino with no comparison, it was way ahead of it's time
Serial Experiments Lain
It's probably not cyberpunk but this thread reminded me of Genocyber.
>Garbage
>Couldn't get past the first episode
Wow, you and your subjectively correct but short attention span sure showed me. I watched the whole season before forming an opinion, but I guess that's the stupid way of doing things.
bymp
Does this stuff appeal to atheists or nerds?
Until The End of the World... the 4 1/2 hour long directors cut is a top 10 best cyberpunk movie. and it came before 99% of things we call cyberpunk existed, so it helped to define the genre.
RIP William Hurt
what is cyberpunk?
detective noir, with a femme fatale in a fallen dystopian world where everyone is powerless against computers/technology and the villian is a shadowy corporation or Deep State entity trying to kill the hero to prevent him from overthrowing their world order.
>what is cyberpunk?
2022, you best start believing in cyberpunk dystopias, you’re in one,
Transhumanism run amok with hot babes and stunning visuals. Add to that a slightly sanitized version of the average /misc/ thread and you got Cyberpunk.
A scifi aesthetic focusing on high tech, low culture.
If we are being pedantic (we are), we can lean on the idea of “post-cyberpunk” as being a more fitting genre for the majority of films mentioned in this thread. But honestly who gives a frick, the themes are largely the same and the aesthetic trappings that seem to form the criteria for “true” cyberpunk aren’t really the most important elements in most cases
Super Agent Cobra
Mardock Scramble
>C-A-N
>C-E-R
>M-O-U-S-E
>Cancer Moouuuuse
Its Cancer Mouse everybody
No Gun Life is underrated cyber kino. In as some anime tropes but as a great tone.
The sound design in Serial Experiments: Lain is awesome. Sounds phasing in and out in a confusing manner, the constant hum of power lines, delay effects applied to rhythmic everyday sounds(typing, writing on a chalkboard) etc.
the background hum of the power lines represents the constant chatter of electronic communication in the digital world, ever present but intangible to the individual caught within the swarm