>shit plot
>shit writing
>shit characters
>shit jokes
>shit pacing
>shit voice acting
>no structure
>repetitive and meandering
>lacks a third act and just ends midway despite already being too long
>takes a big steaming shit on the IP
>full of plot holes
>celebrated as the best Spider-Man movie ever because of the novelty of the animation
Does this movie prove animated movies will never be taken seriously? General audiences standards for them are non-existent, if it was a live action film it would've been eviscerated
You homosexuals hate everything. Post things you like.
ITSV
Accept that not everyone likes the same shit that you do and there's nothing wrong with that or the people who hold those contradictory opinions.
What you're saying is right, but it doesn't actually apply to me. My problem isn't that I'm pissing and crying over people not liking the (popular thing).
It's the annoyance I feel towards contrarianism, the disingenuous reductionism of (insert well liked/popular thing), the devolving into "anyone who likes (popular) thing is a walking troglodyte, unlike me" circle jerking and armchair psychology, etc.
I can go on; one day it's Spiderverse, the other day it's B:TAS, and the next day it's ATLAB. Different media, same bullshit, same yawn response.
TL;DR: with effort and good will, disagreement and criticism can be compelling to read, which these threads tend to not have
>disingenuous reductionism
This is literally what you're doing to everyone who doesn't like ATSV. You're handwaving it all as "contrarianism." You're not asking anyone to elaborate, you're just saying "you only hate it because it's popular!"
You're a hypocrite and a homosexual.
Here, let me go into further details on a lot of OP's points because I know a lot of them since they were discussed in a lot of other threads:
>Plot/writing
The entire premise is a contrivance that's based around the writers trying to turn some meta jokes into something with emotional weight, but since they don't treat the source material with any tact, it isn't even true for fans of the series's they're borrowing from. That, and the thing everyone's been saying about the whole "Gwen Stacy does not die that often," and "Literally every Spider-Man gets character assassinated by having them hunt down Miles."
>Characters
Miles is not compelling. Neither is Gwen. The only interesting character is Miguel, since he's forced to maintain this batshit insane universe.
No, "Spider-Man but a pregnant woman of color" is not compelling.
>Pacing/repetition
The movie literally ends in the middle of a fight without resolving the main conflict. This was intentional to hook audiences into a third movie. As a result the movie wastes a lot of time.
>Takes a steaming shit on the IP
Peter Parker is a genius across most iterations of the franchise, with many iterations coming into contact with supernatural forces that can bend reality and rewrite entire universes, and the Spider Society is so advanced that they can maintain and monitor multiple universes. There is no reason that "canon" should be a concept since the SS (real sneaky there) should have built a contingency plan for such an occasion long ago. They would have. Peter would not let such a bullshit concept ruin lives.
>Plot holes
See above. The entire story revolves around just being okay with everyone acting out of character.
not that guy but he has a point
look at the post you just made, aside from the opening couple of sentences where you act like a douche, it's well thought out, articulated, you bring up valid points of contention, a genuine discussion about the movie
now look at the op post, it's confrontational, cliche, and dismissive
you can have a conversation about something without being a confrontational homosexual
the language you choose matters, and if you want to have a conversation about something, don't begin with blind shit-slinging, and maybe somebody will take you seriously
TL;DR
seethe and dilate mousetroon
But we got trans representation!
am I supposed to believe that Peter saw an entire universe get wiped out and just decided to do nothing about it?
Super heroes don't do alot of things when the plot allows it
Also what's he gonna do, rebuild it?
Op represents what I hate about contrarianism and contrarians in general
80% of contrarian takes tend to just be "thing that's popular and well liked is shit" with a handful of half assed vague criticisms if you're lucky (like what OP dose with "no structure")
It's less about actual discussion and more about the contrarian getting a dopamine rush.
Anon if you don't understand how ATSV fails at depicting a unified narrative structure and instead comes off as 4 episodes of a TV show and a couple bonus minisodes arbitrarily strung together, that's a media literacy issue on your end
I dunno anon, recent trend is usually complaining about a black spiderman to get (you)s so I say its more race baiting than actual contrarianism
Are you implying the death cult society would've somehow been a better plot point if it was Spider-Boy beating every Spider-Man ever and giving them a lesson in responsibility instead of Miles?
If spider boy was the "reason" for the spider death cult that is too paranoid because they don't want to lose their universe
And he had a movie to let him grow on me in a plot previously explaining how said reason came to be, then yes
I'm not defending characterization being bastardized entirely for the plot, but I'm sure you read comics before
Which part of the movies made Miles grow on you exactly, the part where he stole a dead man's name and identity and costume, then desecrated his grave and repeatedly hit on a version of his late ex despite her protests, then demanded a mission to save the universe be derailed repeatedly so he could get training, then was shown to be far more competent and powerful than Peter despite lacking his age and experience and not getting any training, then made a mural glorifying a serial (child) murderer and the man who helped kill Spider-Man? Or the part where he lacks the motivation to do any of this and his arc sums up to "if you're afraid just don't be bro"?
That's an entirely different can of warms anon, opening that up here is a losing battle because you know, Cinemaphile.
I don't think a list of "thing shit, thing shit , thing shit" fallowed by 1 or 2 sentence criticisms is a compelling read, if it makes me a moron, I'll gladly join the 10 IQ club
Hundreds of threads went into detail on why those things are shit, this one is about something else but building on those previous discussions
>OP lists a bunch of things he doesn't like about the movie, two of which are very specific to this film ("lacks third act," "dump on IP")
>moron: "yOu'Re jUsT bEiNg cONtRarIaN"
Those are all solid flaws and it's not a perfect film, but the good still outweighs the bad like it does in a lot of stuff Cinemaphile likes
IMO people here get more nitpicky about things that normalgays praise than they would stuff that stays in their own niche
>but the good still outweighs the bad like it does in a lot of stuff Cinemaphile likes
Ha. No it doesn't. The only things that the film has going for it are the art direction and fanservice. Everything else is shit.
Miguel Bussy
UWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
>Miguel
>Ben Reily
Now they only need to character assassinate Mayday into a b***h so Miles can be the only Peter sucessor.
the villain was one of the worst villains i've ever sene on film. I thought he'd just be a gag character for the intro but they actually ended up using him lol
>celebrated as the best Spider-Man movie ever because of the novelty of the animation
you're the reason why we'll never have good western animation