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Should I read this before the Netlfix adaptation comes out?
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Why should you? Flip a coin or something if you're unsure. I'm sure it's better option than to listen to mad maniacs raving how it's worst thing ever or best thing ever
3rd book reads like some ironic incel blackpill manifesto
A single woman fricks up so bad that world ends
This was hilarious I thought. Ties in nicely to the first book where a woman starts the whole crisis to begin with, despite a 1 in a billion, benevolent trisolaran asking her "err, are you sure?". One of my favourite scify series.
First book girl was justified I would desroy the world if it forced me to live under communism too.
Hmm sounds like great mythological allegory, women ruining everything.
You kinda missed the point. She didn’t really frick up because you can’t really say that shit wasn’t already gonna happen. Also Guan Yifan at the end explains it best: none of what happened was her fault because she was appointed by humanity to be a representative of humanity’s ideals, most of which is love and tenderness. Her refusing to use the deterrence signal or stopping the Halo City rebellion were all acts that held the best of humanity’s ideals at heart. The end of civilization would’ve come sooner or later and at the end when the universe is almost dying humanity is vindicated by having left a mark on the list of great civilizations along with Trisolaris. Her character is a tragic one and you’re supposed to feel for her. Sort of like Jesus.
sounds like a lot of roastie cope
Nah I’m male and the justification verbalized at the end is also by a male character. Also the author is a male.
>Also the author is a male.
No he's Chinese.
Just like rusanglogermcucks
The only reason humanity left a mark is because of Mr ruse cruise extraordinaire himself. Nothing she did had any impact on it.
The whole series is a blackpill the lady sees everything as doomed so she says fug it. I'll probably check out the chink adaptation the American version will just be gay.
It's a metaphor for women bringing ruin to everything they get actively involved with.
How did you slog through the second? It bored the crap out of me.
Filtered.
Dark Forest is the best of the trilogy
nta but the late party set-pieces make up for the long buildup the 2nd book has
this. Dark Forest is kino, though it does have a slower first half.
it really is quite good after it gets going
I would suggest finishing it
The monologue at the end of the third book completely redeems her chuddie
its fricking very rough but its worth it
yeah, its pretty good
I just finished the book and I honestly do not get the love. From a character perspective the decisions made by the major players are baffling and generally only exist to drive the story where the writer wanted it to go. The science itself isn't too bad, its Dan Brown levels of simplification and definitely not hard sci-fi that I've seen claimed but its serviceable, what is wrong with the science is that the level of tech displayed at the end of the book completely negates the core problem yet the major players continue on the same path decisions they made pre-tech that makes no sense. And this won a Hugo? it should not have even been nominated let alone win, I can only imagine it was a purely political decision to give the win to a chinese author who simply did not deserve the kudos.
Seriously, I'd love to hear somebody who liked this book explain why because I'm missing it, I *wanted* to like it but there isn't much there, there.
You haven’t really explained your problems so it’s hard to explain what is good in context of your pain points. Either way on your comment about it not being “hard sci-fi” seems quite arbitrary since something like Tau Zero by Poul Anderson is considered hard sci-fi even though Three Body probably contains a lot more scientific jargon and theory than Tau Zero. The characters are also very human and their connections to humanity via their emotions is explored very well. The other best part of the book is its writing style. It’s straight to the point but also poetic and beautiful. It weaves a narrative that leaves you pondering what everything means and as you keep reading various pieces fall into place and clearly show a vast web of ideas and parallelisms that connect the reader to an overarching theme or mystery that’s existed since the start of the series. It clearly deserves an award for the vast scope of its subject as well as its writing style and politics has nothing to do with it, however much you’d like it to be the case.
>The characters are also very human
There isn't a single human character in all 3 books, it's a perfect example of bug writing.
Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining enough, but on no level can you consider the actions of any character in any of the books even vaguely close to human, the most "human" character is a deceitful liar who assassinates his opponents and steals a spaceship.
I’ve read Rendezvous with Rama, Tau Zero, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Contact, and many other classics of the “hard sci-fi” genre. Three Body’s characters are just as human if not moreso than the characters in those books. There’s no reason to be unfairly judging Three Body and there’s clearly some idiotic racist culture war bullshit behind it.
Rendevouz with Rama as well as 2001: A Space Odyssey *also* have this problem: Characters in the Book who are not really human, but *artificial*.
You perceiving them to be "normal" makes me suspect you're a benchode pajeet or a chink, or more likely, severely autistic.
The main character is Rendezvous with Rama is a giant rock and somehow Clarke makes it more compelling than any of the characters in 3 body. Fascinating
thats because Clarke is a God, and Ramas Character was a blank vessel to observe the Wonder in our stead, an empty space for the reader to project into
still they all were *not* human at all.
But again, you have to look at it relatively. These are sci-fi books. Not necessarily human drama books. The human drama is just a sprinkle on top. I liked reading all these books because of their sci fi ideas, if they have human drama that’s great but I’m not expecting them to be on the same level as House of Leaves or Infinite Jest or Brothers Karamazov or The Magus or Winnetou.
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>>The characters are also very human
>There isn't a single human character in all 3 books, it's a perfect example of bug writing.
it truly is. I felt like being given a window into the deranged less-than-human soul of a chink when reading these books. The decision making processes, the way the world is understood ... its alien. It's literally alien.
You’re just dumb.
>I felt like being given a window into the deranged less-than-human soul of a chink when reading these books
Try the Water Margin next, you'll really lose your shit
least hysterical liberal
Supernova Era is similar, but it's so over the top at times that it's comical.
>You haven’t really explained your problems
The trisolarians have such advanced technology that they can unwrap a proton and turn it into basically magic. They can communicate faster than light, build interstellar fleets, destroy entire human fleets instantly etc.
But they couldn't spot a habitable planet only four light years away, and couldn't build an orbital habitat.
Their interstellar fleet that they send to Earth at the start of their crisis era is literally their first ever interstellar fleet.
Their first one runs into problems too, iirc. Only subsequent ones arrive without issues.
If they have the ability to build an interstellar fleet, why couldn't they see Earth with a telescope?
They could but they didn’t know it had life on it until Yi Wenjie’s signal.
If they can build a sophon and an interstellar ship, they can analyse the atmosphere of a planet just four light years away. Or build an orbital habitat.
They can, which is what they end up doing eventually. They experience technological progress just like everyone else.
>Or build an orbital habitat.
You missed the part where their entire solar system was fricked. Also, they didn't have the technology to analyze planets 4 light years away, that's why they set up listening stations.
>Also, they didn't have the technology to analyze planets 4 light years away,
We can do that today with our technology and we can't build sophons.
Our analysis is very rudimentary and based off spectroscopy.
But did they even need to analyze for life? They only really wanted a stable system to migrate to. I guess the answer is that since they know about the dark forest they don't want to send an exploratory ship or whatever and only started acting on migrating once they knew it was a habitable world with a less developer civilization and were simply too paranoid before.
It’s impossible to say what they were planning with earth since they didn’t even have interstellar ship capabilities until the Crisis Era. We also don’t learn much about Trisolaran motives outside of their encounters with humanity. For all we know they were planning to colonize it for a long time.
there's a whole "twist" in the second book about how they knew about the dark forest nature of the universe for ages and are gigantic pussies
They literally couldn't believe humanity was so fricking stupid that they didn't know
>build an orbital habitat.
Exactly. Why not just build some O'Neill Cylinders, bring some asteroids with you and go whereever? Building an ecosystem that can support life is just the matter of converting an energy source into biomolecules we can digest, which is just a matter of chemical reactions that I'm pretty sure they could figure out to do efficiently with their tech.
Once you have those spaceborne colonies, all the problems with the three-body problem are irrelevant because you have total control of your interior enviroment and can just manually adjust the position of your colonies every few years or just go out further into space if the stars are really such an issue.
You forgot the two axioms of cosmic sociology:
First: Survival is the primary need of civilization.
Second: Civilization continuously grows and expands, but the total matter in the universe remains constant.
The Hugo is a fan award. The votes have been controlled by the people who run that years World con since forever.
It's really not.
I don't know why that would be a qualifier, the Netflix slop is filled with Black folk so only a moron would watch it. Are you worried about getting spoiled by NPCs?
Based Luo Ji
First is good but The Dark Forest blows it out the water hard.
When Netflix finally get around to the 2nd book it'll be the new Red Wedding for normal gays.
Best protagonist.
Best comment in the thread.
He was so based that the surviving trisolarians were willing to fulfil only his request at the end.
not necessarily, just don't watch th adaptation and you'll have all the time in the world to read the book
This book sucks. the only good part was the very beginning with the struggle session stuff and the very end was not bad. Boring book overall 4/10
The first book is basically shit, the second one is the only one worth reading.
first and second are both good and have fresh ideas on some old sci-fi concepts. The third one is a bit scatter-brained nad I'm really sure what the point was at the end.
The main character/author spending an entire chapter jerking off while imagining spending a perfect day with his waifu nearly made me quit the second book.
I think it makes up for that adequately
They're all bad. Maybe someone like Villeneuve could graft some weight and gravity to the bones of the story, Netflix not so much.
They are honestly some of the worst books i've ever read, and I read all types of scifi schlock. The only novel concept the books have is with the dimensional collapses cascading across the universe.
I don't know I think building planet sized super computers into unfolded protons is pretty interesting.
Not related to Three Body but have you read blindsight? What do you think of it?
It's moronic. Blindsight is alright, too much vampire fluff.
>Blindsight is alright
I assumed. Opinion discarded.
Yeah it is a neat concept, but I have seen the idea of massive planet sized computers/ai existing partially or fully in higher dimensions, in many other works. So, in this case its not novel. No I have not read Blindsight, is that the one with vampires that have some genetic mutation where right angles cause them immense pain?
No, just read the book and skip the Nigshit series.
it's always better to read the book after watching a movie/show based on it
This is literally never the case. It's always better to read the book so you don't get spoiled on everything with subpar direction.
because you're brainlets reading books to "find out what happened at the end". Just read synopsis on wikipedia. Reading is not for you. People repeat this meme about reading first then watching a movie and at the same time they always say how dissapointed or underwhelmed they were.Yet they still repeat it. like mindless NPCs they are. Reading after watching a movie/show is far superior and literally everyone admits that once they tried it.
Based moron
>People repeat this meme about reading first then watching a movie and at the same time they always say how dissapointed or underwhelmed they were.
explain this. Why is this literally always the case? It basically doesn't exist when you do it the other way around. It's like a religious dogma to morons. They have to repeat it even though reality proves them wrong every fricking time
Books have the time to develop characters and themes that then get reduced to caricatures and simple platitudes because that’s what the new format allows. Read a book Black person
>Read a book Black person
over 1k borrowed in the last 12 years
his posts are clearly pro-reading but you have to have a reading comprehension to get it
>Books have the time
The chink adaptation is literally several times longer than it would take to read it.
>Books have the time to develop characters and themes that then get reduced to caricatures and simple platitudes because that’s what the new format allows.
that's literally the reason to watch a movie first then read a book you stupid fricking chud of a moron
Going back to those books would be an empty experience, they lack depth. There is no there, there.
Literally the opposite
Yes you should. Best sci fi books of all time. Super cool concepts and impossible to put down.
just watch the chinese version
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDWJ213d2Ucr-3q9LDF9P1_j3Rr3GMJeS
Do not do this.
The Chinese Version has the Inverse Problem of most adaptations. Where most adaptations will gloss over stuff and cut out critical stuff - the chinese 3-body-problem adaptation will literally give you a 5minute-nothing-happening-scene in a noddle shop, just because a single sentence in the book read "they went to get noodles afterwards" - they slavishly adopted everything ad-verbatim, its honestly atrocious.
so did they adopt everything ad-verbum or did they cut out stuff?
you can't have both
He's saying most adaptions cut out important stuff while this one expands unnecessary stuff. Learn to read.
homie are you moronic?
They skipped some very key story scenes which center around the antagonist's life during chink communisn which is the reason why I haven't dropped the D&D version yet. Meaning, I'm going to watch it I'm sorry.
if you read the book then watch the show with the book in mind as the reality of what is going on it improved things a bit
it so fricking long boring, too much filler
This show is shit.
Bollywood tier editing.
Over the top effects.
this
i tried watching it and this was my impression
lasted about 3-5 episodes before i gave up
boring and cringeworthy acting & cinematography
its trying super hard to be profound but fails at everystep... or maybe they just overdid it, idk
its not watchable
There's also a 3D CG chinese cartoon version, maybe it's any better?
There's already a Chinese film adaptation IIRC
It's ok. It takes itself a bit too seriously for featuring such cartooney and one note characters.
I'd say yes. The first book ain't that good, but the second and third are kino and will be almost impossible to pull off without some massive creativity on the part of the directors, or a huge budget. I actually think they might be unfilmable.
It's not good. You'll get bored to death, it's full of filler and the author doesn't know where he's going.
so, what is the problem?
>uhh our invisible light-speed hyper-intelligent spy drones didn't notice your plan to defeat us lol oopsie
moron
thats the entire nature of the Wallfacer Programme. The "joke" was, that the means by which the Killswitch was implemented was a resilient technology impervious to Sophon manipulation. The Solution to MAD was a Philosophical Quantum Leap in Understanding about Galactic Sociology.
No matter what the Sophons observed, they couldn't stop what the Wallfacer was doing.
How long did the chick wallfacer last? 3 minutes? 5? Was splattering the solar system into two dimensions a part of her plan?
She was never a Wallfacer. She was a Swordholder which is different.
>b***h drops the ball hard
>nonono that wasn’t her job anyway
Sus
What? Her job wasn’t being a Wallfacer, period. She was a Swoldholder. Get the terms right.
They should have given the button to Thomas Wade. The bugs fear the BWC.
Regardless she was instrumental in the downfall of humanity. I’m not rereading the books to debate split hairs
and I’m sure as shit not watching some Netflix adaptation
Well her failing as a Wallfacer would have been more understandable, because all the wallfacers failed except the chink. All the swordholder had to do was push a button if the bugs attacked, and the second she was sworn in they attacked and she threw the button on the floor and refused to push it.
>I’m not rereading the books to debate split hairs
you didnt read the books at all if you dont know the difference between the wallfacers and the swordholders.
No, I just read them several years ago and don’t have an autistic obsession with the details of mediocre sci-fi
Same. I gave the rest of Cixin Liu's work a try after going through the first two books of Trisolaran series and it's generally pretty bad. The two standouts are Ball Lightning which has some bit that connect slightly to the series and Supernova Era, which is just an inferior Lord of the Flies with some weird Chinese Superiority bits.
>confirms he never read the third book which is about Cheng Xin and Swordholders
Sit down
>and don’t have an autistic obsession with the details of mediocre sci-fi
yet here you are posting about it on Cinemaphile.
the Chick wallfacer was obviously a failure
Come on now usually I would ask if you really need to have the entire plan explained to you but the book literally does that. The only way you don't get it why and how it worked is if you didn't read it
I've listened to the three body trilogy twice, great books. Going by the trailers the Netflix version is going to have some significant changes so it may not be a big deal not to read them. They're definitely pulling in aspects of books 2 and 3 into the show.
That said, I'm interested in how they're going to adapt it and how they're going to do the changes. If that kind of comparison game is fun to you then I'd recommend reading them.
>I've listened to the three body trilogy twice
>I'd recommend reading them
What did he mean by this?
Audiotards really think what they’re doing can be defined as reading.
Sorry yeah I'm so used to using the "read" verb with books that it slipped. I'd recommend either listening to or reading them.
The entire theme of the first book doesn't translate well to western audiences, because we didn't have a time where cannibalism was a proper punishment for people who didn't hold the same political belief's as you
That’s not true. Themes are universal and understandable if you’re well educated no matter where you come from.
>Before you watch this show about aliens trying to destroy the earth you need to have a full understanding of the cultural revolution to understand the motivations of the characters
Yeah that is going to work great in getting people to watch your netflix adaptation.
Soon brother, soon
>listened to
>listeninggay
>That said, I'm interested in how they're going to adapt it and how they're going to do the changes
Brother you know it’s getting BLACKED, why play dumb?
>Luo Ji is now Lebron James
WHY DID THE AUTHOR ADD NTR AT THE VERY END OF THE 3RD BOOK?? I'M STILL SEETHING.
Yun Tianming got to be with the hotter, younger Ai Aa. Screw the mentally broken Cheng Xin.
NTR IS BAD.
what is NTR?
Oh get fricked that is not NTR.
Tencent is already doing the second book. I'm more hyped about that.
For me, it was the droplet attack decimating Earth’s entire fleet in less than an hour.
<<< The chapter about the alien singer
Kek yeah that was great too. My favorite was the part where he’s like “I’m gonna need permission to use the vector foil” and the next line is a quote “Do I have permission to use the vector foil” and the elder is like “Yes”. I just found the autisticness of the situational description so perfectly alien and funny.
Also the chapter with the Trisolarans creating the sophons was mint. The one dimensional “snowflakes” were cool as hell.
wasn't there a part where a proton tries to destroy trisolaris? I remember a trisolarian scientist saying that the entire universe inside a proton has a collective conscious or smth. But the idea was abandoned in the later books for some reason.
That was never in the books you read wrong and also haven’t read the books
Frick you. I know what I read.
Protons/Sophons never attacked Trisolaris. You misread the part about it turning into a mirror accidentally during their unfolding/construction process as an attack.
You're not crazy anon, this bit happened during the process of creating the sophons. As the proton mini universe unfolded the creatures inside fashioned weird lenses and tried to use them to attack the tri-solarion planet.
This didn’t happen you brainlet. It just turned into a mirror. Also there are no societies living inside a sophon, it’s just one mind.
You are moronic or you're getting parts of the book mismatched in your head.
There was definitely a part when they were on Trisolaris attempting to make a sophon for the first time, and the mini universe inside the proton containing intelligence looks at them with "eyes" and then turns into some super Archimedes mirror and tries melting them all before Trisolaris uses some special space nukes to stop it. They also comment about it and the possibilities of other countless mini universes with intelligences and that they shouldn't feel bad for destroying them because it's constantly happening regardless all the time.
lmao you fricking moron the “eye” was the Trisolaran planet against the backdrop of the nightsky behind it being reflected in the mirror. Metaphorical speech is clearly too much for your low IQ brain. Also there was NOTHING in the book about any societies inside sophons. You’re misinterpreting words spoken about how they disappeared into black domain regions and never came back as some moronic fan fiction/troll meme.
Anon... you are wrong. You're conflating it sounds line parts of the dual-vector foil attack on the solar system, with the Trisolarans attempting to make sophons when the Princeps and the scientists are watching it unfold. It's why they say they shouldn't feel bad about killing the micro universes because it's constantly happening throughout the universe. I don't know why you are debating something that's plain as day in the book.
I know exactly what you’re talking about that’s why I know the “eye” you’re referencing is the Trisolaran planet’s reflection you deflecting moron. You’ve been outed as a moron, and are now continuing with your fan fiction to cope. Pathetic.
You're either trolling, did not read the book, or just can't grasp the picture and situation the book is painting. I'm sorry this is so difficult for you. Go reread it. It's right there. You're obsessing over the mirror "reflection" and missing the bigger points
Not gonna transcribe the chapter but here's a summary:
>One of the Trisolarans' experiments in dimensional folding ends up with the Sophon producing a parabolic mirror by proxy that almost incinerates their capital. This is due to the Trisolarans alerting a 2D Species of their presence, the 2D beings presumably being terrified of these (would-be) invaders. The response is a pre-emptive attack, as the species (resembling a collection of floating eyes) manifest in the 3rd dimension above the skies of Trisolaris and merge into said parabolic mirror. The connection to the 2D Plane deactivates just in time to avoid doing turning the main plaza into slag...and saves the leader of their science division from his own fiery fate.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Nightmarefuel/Thethreebodyproblem
>summary wikis in charge of being able to parse speculation from canon
Too lazy to type it or pirate a copy sue me
I literally just rechecked and your confused as frick idiot. The Trisolaran scientist that is attempting to make them even comments on the ideas of micro intelligent universes inside the proton like what they witnessed. It's why it tried to make a mirror to melt them in the first place.
They don’t make a mirror on purpose you fricking moron, they misfolded the sophon and it created a mirror accidentally which burned some Trisolarans on the planet surface. What you’re talking about is just pure speculation from the book, not something that’s actually happening in the story. Keep the frick up you absolute brainlet and lay off the Wikipedia summaries.
>nonono that was just speculative fiction inside speculative fiction. It’s the outer layer of speculation that happened (fictionally)
This is what you sound like
Awesome. Sounds based and high IQ. Obviously the additional phrases added by you only reflect your seething at my truth so that’s double awesome for me.
>fictionally
No one said on purpose either clown-ass. It's why they tried to make a mirror to attack theTrisolarans because the proton contained a mini universe that had its own "intelligence". You're failing to grasp this simple part, despite multiple anons confirming you either didn't understand the book or misinterpreted the point.
Not actually what happened. The sophons just misfolded.
Bro, here's the passage from the book
>The princeps pointed to the giant eyes in space. “Do these show that the microcosmos contained within the unfolded proton harbors intelligent life?”
“Our definition of ‘life’ is probably not appropriate for the high-dimensional microcosmos. More accurately, we can only say that universe contains intelligence or
wisdom. Scientists have long predicted this possibility. It would have been odd for such a complex and vast world to not have evolved something akin to intelligence.”
“Why have they transformed into eyes to look at us?” The princeps looked up at the eyes in space, beautiful, lifelike sculptures, all of them gazing upon the planet
below strangely.
“Maybe they just want to demonstrate their presence.”
“Can they fall down here?”
“Not at all. You may rest easy, Princeps. Even if they were to fall, the mass of all these huge structures added together is only that of a proton. Just like the one
dimensional string from last time, they won’t have any effect on our world. People just have to get used to the strange sight.”
Anon you just didn't understand the book, it's clear now, the proof is in this thread you're wrong and didn't grasp the idea's the author was trying to convey to the readers. Lrn2 read my boy.
Apologize, moron.
>The princeps pointed to the giant eyes in space. “Do these show that the microcosmos contained within the unfolded proton harbors intelligent life?”
“Our definition of ‘life’ is probably not appropriate for the high-dimensional microcosmos. More accurately, we can only say that universe contains intelligence or
wisdom. Scientists have long predicted this possibility. It would have been odd for such a complex and vast world to not have evolved something akin to intelligence.”
“Why have they transformed into eyes to look at us?” The princeps looked up at the eyes in space, beautiful, lifelike sculptures, all of them gazing upon the planet
below strangely.
“Maybe they just want to demonstrate their presence.”
“Can they fall down here?”
“Not at all. You may rest easy, Princeps. Even if they were to fall, the mass of all these huge structures added together is only that of a proton. Just like the one
dimensional string from last time, they won’t have any effect on our world. People just have to get used to the strange sight.”
But this time, the science consul was wrong.
Now get fricked
It’s just a misfolded sophon seethe
Try reading books without the tic tac app playing, anon.
The whole third book goes deeper into the dimensional lifeforms - lower ones and higher ones. Did you miss that as well?
Yes it makes it clear lower dimensional beings cannot create things in upper dimensions let alone navigate safely. The sophon is just a proton with mesonic logic circuitry embedded onto its 2D surface. They fricked up the logic circuitry and the sophons misfolded, that’s it.
Read:
Apologize right fricking now
I love how you morons have reposted this shit over four times now and still can’t grasp that this was a sophon malfunction.
Massive cope going on here moron. "J-jjj-just a-a m-malfunction". Completely missing the point and later points in turn with the book on dimensions and life.
It’s actually a metaphor for having to coexist black or Indian people, which is to say inferior forms of life. The Chinese are based
Lower dimensional lifeforms inside of the plane were attacking the trisos, which is when they called it a day.
Jesus frick how moronic can you be? You've objectively been told/shown you're wrong over and over and now you're just trying to do some weird reinterpretation justification bullshit to make yourself look like you didn't completely misread the scene, which you obviously did. Give it a rest.
You. Are. Wrong.
Sophon malfunction, it’s more likely than you think.
Zhang Beihai - was he based or cringe?
Based for being the Mark Hoffman of the franchise. Cringe for getting nuked at the end and losing the Dark Battle.
>okay we escaped, now lets attack each other because human meat taste good.
No, none of them would have the resources to reach the nearest stars so they had to destroy each other to harvest the resources. They had already embraced escapism so this was one of the byproducts of such detachments.
I wish I had a sophon waifu so bad bros…
Why are chinks so obsessed with cannibalism?
Have you seen what their other "cuisine" consists of?
Shit is so vile they genuinely convinced people using their country's poor culinary hygene as an excuse for why a worldwide pandemic started in china.
If I grew up eating that shit my whole life then people might start looking mighty tasty.
Yeah, next to slugs and rocks a human baby is probably pretty tasty looking.
Even before the arrival of communism, China had constant famine in one region or another that spanned MORE THAN A MILLENIA. It makes Africa look like a land-of-plenty.
This explains why Chinese behave the way they do in restaurants. This explains why piracy is so rampant in coastal Chinese culture. This explains why there has been a continuous massive Chinese diaspora for hundreds of years. This explains why they embraced communism so readily when it arrived.
Existence for the most part in Chinese culture through most of history meant starving to death unless you are part of the elite.
The main reason you want to read a book before the adaptation is that the adaptation typically has to leave out a lot of stuff and also the adaptation could be shit. It’s always a gamble. Reading something you’re interested in first will ensure you can have a reading experience that is both full of wonder and satisfaction. Then you can watch the adaptation easily knowing the hard part is over. If you watch first then read, not only will you feel like you already know what will happen, but you will also feel like reading will be more of a struggle, making your experience worse than its maximal potential. So if the adaptation is shit or leaves out a lot, all you’ve done is essentially lower your potential enjoyment of a franchise. It’s rare an adaptation is made perfectly so it’s not worth the gamble.
>Then you can watch the adaptation easily knowing the hard part is over.
>hard part
reading is literally not for you
Reading takes more time so in terms of time elapsed it is “harder”. Personally I enjoy reading more than watching stuff, but I can still see how it can be “harder”.
I'm usually opened minded, and maybe something was lost in translation from Chinese to English but I thought this book was trash.
I didn't care about any of the characters.
It’s because you’re a seething chud that will shit on anything that you perceive is outside of your culture war.
Book 1
>Woman hates herself and wants to kill humanity. Man discovers aliens by playing VRChat. A boat sails through that laser trap in Resident Evil.
Book 2
>Chinese man creates a tulpa and falls in love before killing her then uses his government powers to get a waifu and be rich. Hugo Chavez tries to blow up Mercury. Donald Rumsfeld wants to make some kinda suicide squad. Someone decides to shoot a brain at the ayys for the fun of it. Chinese man gets waifu taken away, goes to the future, threatens to kill himself and the ayyys kneel before him Vegeta style, resulting in a new Golden Age for humanity.
Book 3
>Dumb woman gets into power, IMMEDIATELY, I mean literally within one second of gaining power, dooms the world and turns humanity into slaves. Ayys discover their love of anime waifus and make one to rule humanity. Astronauts decide to kill the ayys and humanity. The universe realizes 3D is pig disgusting and return to glorious 2D ayynime while some guys decide they're just going to create their own universes with blackjack and hookers.
Not exaggerating. You now no longer have to read any of the books. There is no book 4 no matter what anyone tells you.
Very fair summary. Its funny how these are the only novels of note to come out of chine, and at their core they are completely dogshit with the most interesting ideas just be plagiarized from other works.
Cixin's other books are pretty garbage in general. There's some interesting ideas but the books tend to be rough. Supernova Era is possibly one of the worst books I've ever come across even for a retelling of Lord of the Flies (imagine Flies but with a distinct CHINA NUMBA WON flavor).
Thank you based anon, I will save this and when the series gets too confusing, i will refer back to it.
Those who go first, do service to mankind.
Oh, I forgot
Book 3
>Brain shot at ayys actually loved Dumb woman and tells her about 2D anime time after the Ayys decide to resurrect him for who knows what reason.
The series has a number of interesting ideas that are never really fleshed out or are just mentioned in passing. Book 3 has like two neat concepts but it's full of so much absolute fricking trash that it's not worth picking up. I can give a less meme summary of it but it boils down to exactly what I've written.
>pass through a 4th dimensional fragment
>meet 4th dimensional beings
>"lol this is too hard to understand, later losers"
greatest chinese novelist of the 21st century btw.
>dude reductionism!
Stop replying to yourself, seething moron
I'm not replying to myself, chink. I understand you're an esl moron and can't tell different english speakers apart, but you would be better off just keeping quiet rather than letting everyone know you're an esl Black person.
Exactly, everything that's interesting gets brushed off because HEY LOOK, MAIN CHARACTER GIRL IS UNDERGOING A PRISONERS DILEMMA WITH SOME OTHER SHIPS, ISN'T THIS CRAZY??
What was brushed off about the 4th dimension? They needed to continue with their journey out of the solar system and they could not keep navigating through it? The 4th dimension scenes served as a great thematic parallel to the ultimate fate of the 3rd dimension and also the fact that the universe’s destiny is tied to life. The dimensional bubbles were akin to the 2D vector foils - bullet holes in the universe essentially. The parallel between the 4th dimensional tomb and humanity’s tomb on Pluto as well as its request for a fish which parallels the small fish-habitat Cheng Xin leaves behind in the universe outside of the universe all serve their purpose in tying the themes of the book together. You just sound like a brainlet.
Yes that is how it was supposed to be presented, but it felt weird and rushed. We have one chapter about the 4th dimensional fragment and the beings inside that gets summed up with, "yeah whatever we gotta go" and then we immediately get like 4 chapters about our protagonist living in the Australian cannibal camp or horseback riding on an abandoned earth or some nonsense about how europeans are living on the nice spacestations and the brownoids are relegated to the shitty ones.
It was not weird and rushed. It was nuanced and was not designed to spoonfeed you. Much like 2001 or Interstellar keep things open ended. It’s a classic sci-fi trope. Stick to Marvelshit, exposition lover.
>Nuance
>open ended
>plot dump at the end of the book that wraps everything up nicely
At this point i just think you're trolling
Said the moron that thinks plot points were dropped. Pick a lane, gigatardo.
>so the universe is over now, humans ended up persisting for some time. Now we just have to empty out our pocket dimension and we will get to go to the reborn 10 dimensional universe where we will know god, and everyone else because all matter is alive and we are all connected and live travels instantly
Wow so deep, Its just like my japanese animes.
lol dumb moron didn’t understand the ending. They chose not to go to the next Edenic period of the universe and decided to go back to their original dying universe and re-distribute the matter they stole from it in order to facilitate the Big Crunch. Keep up gigatardo.
>the next Edenic period
do you mean their small pocket universe? I don't think they had a choice beyond just chill isolated from everyone else and doom all matter or sacrifice themselves for the crunch.
No you fricking moron I’m referring to the 10th dimensional state universe that comes after the Big Crunch of the old universe. “Edenic Period” is the term the book itself used for it. You’d know that if you read it instead of wiki summaries.
I'm not the anon you're arguing with, I assure you I've read the books this year. Didn't they get a memo that there wouldn't be a new 10th dimensional state if a lot of the pockets decided to just chill and steal matter?
They literally do. They get a super-membrane message from the Returners saying there’s too many pocket universes and they need to return the matter to facilitate the Big Crunch. Read the books properly bro.
That's my point, fricker
>They chose not to go to the next Edenic period
their choice wasn't between going to 10th dimensional fresh universe or not, it was between being greedy with matter and risking living in isolation forever as a result or pulling the plug and surviving a short while in the original universe to facilitate the fresh universe that they wouldn't be a part of.
>their choice wasn't between going to 10th dimensional fresh universe or not
Yes it was. That was the point of the pocket universes.
They chose not to so they can facilitate the Big Crunch. I don’t even know why you’re arguing since the guy I replied to thought they left their pocket universe to go to the Edenic period. Either you can’t read or are the same guy just arguing to cope with being so wrong.
Ah, re-read your message with the context of the original guy thinking that, makes more sense. I thought you were claiming they they actually had a safe choice of just chilling in the tardis to get to the new universe.
Anyways, good thread, surprisingly. My overall opinion is that the series had a lot of really interesting ideas in it, and that the characters did kind of suck at times but taht's par for the course in sci-fi. You either get a handwavy non-fleshed out idea as background to interesting human drama, or you get himan shaped mannequins acting the plot in service of well-developed ideas. Can't really have both. In this case the ideas are good enough to carry the books in my opinion. The universe being presented as a living ecosystem being unraveled due to the preponderance of life in it is fascinating.
That’s pretty much my opinion of Three Body too, but honestly I’d be underselling it by saying its characters are like other sci fis. Three Body’s characters are on the upper tier of characterization for these types of novels. They seem more nuanced and developed and their emotional motivations really mesh well with the themes of the books. The ideas are of course great but what makes these books special is also the journey into the human psyches we get to explore through the characters. Even a minor character like Rey Diaz presents an Oppenheimer-like side story that sticks with you.
It’s a propaganda piece in addition to being sci-fi. If you read it with that in mind it makes more sense, but yeah the last book is ass
Also isn't that literally the last time we here from Blue Planet and Gravity? We just get an exposition dump right on our chest about how they went on to create great civilizations when the b***h gets to the planet the simp bought her.
No, Guan Yifan who is the Scientist onboard Gravity who eventually joins Blue Space crew and who travelled through the 4th dimension shows up at the end of the book at the planet around Yun Tianming’s star. It implies that they were able to escape the solar system and spread human society around. He even jokes about how the shuttle he’s riding around on when he picks up Cheng Xin was named after an old buddy from the Gravity crew (ie Hunter).
This is the type of book that doesn’t spoonfeed you and you have to pick up on the connections yourself. You can’t be a brainlet.
Mad and wrong
This guy gets it. This one single chapter pumps out all these ideas that would be far more interesting for a main story than what we are given. Ancient transdimensional wars that rewrite reality itself? Nah, we should just ignore any attempt at sticking to the hard sci fi we just spent a previous book trying to establish. Instead let's check out our sophon anime waifu - wouldn't it be cool if she was in some massive treehouse or something in Australia and running around executing people with a katana?
One of the main problems is that Cheng is a shit character. She's everything your main character shouldn't be, she's timid, frail and worst of all she's utterly passive. She doesn't even evolve as a character throughout the entire book. She's just as passive at the end as she is at the start and every place she goes and nearly every action she takes is dictated to her by another character (mostly her assistant).
Looking back on it, I don't even think the brain was shot into space in the second book (though that's when it happens chronologically), I'm pretty sure it's entirely contained within Death's End showing that there was never really any intention of making this into a trilogy. The only thing you could call set up for a third book happens entirely within the final chapter of Dark Forest. It's just a shit book that is unnecessary and tarnishes the other two books.
>no argument just more seethe
Hard disagree. The third book is the best one and has the most kino moments, but the women MC and Australia part are meh
I politely disagree. I found Death's End to be shlock.
Chronologically the brain getting accelerated at the trisolarns happened during the same time as second book, but it is never mentioned in the second book. The author goes out of his way to try to connect the two, even having Cheng interact with one of the wallfacers, albeit very briefly. The second book is fine for scifi schlock, but the third book devolves into a bunch of frivolous irrelevant nonsense
It’s literally all relevant. The third book requires the most amount of deductive understanding to put all its pieces together. It’s probably why so many brainlets like you hate it.
>UNDERGOING A PRISONERS DILEMMA
I wish her dilemmas were that complex. It's usually just her figuring out what option is the worst. Still a great book, just a weird main character to center events around.
I can't decide if this is feminist "omg women are so wonderful" or misogynist for the same reason.
It's like believing that in the face of an existential threat humanity would at any point elect a celebrity to lead humanity.
>Oh but it was a couple hundred years since the threat was overt
homie people remember the israeli Problem for over a thousand years.
First book is okay, second book is a lot of fun, third book is a fricking catastrophe and I'm really looking forward to the show utterly imploding as they try to adapt it.
So yes you should read it. Either you're prepared for the incoming shitfest or you're pleasantly surprised when the adaptation does something different, win/win.
All three books are gigakino. The LOST of sci-fi. They cannot be topped.
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Here's your final reply, I'm keeping the (You) though, smoothbrain.
Ok gigatardo
Bros do you think interstellar space travel will be possible within the next 50 years?
It's already possible and has been that way for quite some time.
But nobody wants to accept the kind of Hell and torment you'd be forcing upon a crew to inside of a Generation Ship though.
What the frick are you talking about? No, it's not possible. It would take decades for a ship to leave the Solar System and we'd run out of oxygen by the time we get to Saturn
>What the frick are you talking about?
>Generation Ship
brainlet
>Generation Ship
Which aren't even feasible you fricking moron
yes, you are a moron
Not human travel but we could potentially send probes with cameras going at 20% the speed of light to Alpha Centauri within the next 50 years if we focus on it. See Project Breakthrough Starshot.
The biggest hurdle is coming up with ground lasers powerful enough to accelerate the probes, but Romania has come close to the power required recently in its laser research.
>Romania has come close to the power required recently in its laser research.
All that stolen copper wiring finally paid off
the nearest star is like 4 light years away. If we were to travel at the speed of light then that's not bad, 4 years one way, 4 years to go back. But there's no way we will get even close to 10% of the speed of light in the next 50 years
Imagine Da Shi was your best friend. God that would be swell.
Am I as only one who felt personally attacked by Tinming's life story when he was pressing the suicide button? That shit hit too close to home.
Personally I felt especially attacked when he laughs like the joker after realizing why Cheng Xin didn’t want him to commit suicide. That was some good salt in the wound.
How smug do you think Yun Tianming looked when he was having the conversation with Cheng Xin in his new chad body harvesting Trisolaran wheat fields? She must’ve looked like the thirstiest human that ever lived at that point. Guan Yifan probably had to pretend to be Yuan Tianming whenever he fricked Cheng Xin for the rest of his life, because there’s no way Cheng Xin would’ve forgotten that. And Ai Aa must’ve known all this and would’ve pumped out so many Yuan Tianming kids and felt so proud of herself.
Books are ass, netflix slop will probably be ass but with more Black folk
>Writers on contract that have no experience with chinese writing or scifi are forced to adapt an already miserable and poorly written trilogy of books for tv
>Writers are spiteful for having to write a sci fi series and are even more spiteful over the quality of the books prose
>writers purposefully create the most dogshit possible adaptation to bury one of the worst most over hyped scifi series of all time
WTF i love netflix writers now.
The same people that hate Three Body Problem hate LOST - aka chuds fighting a culture war no one cares about and also a culture war they are clearly losing pathetically.
i really don't understand this sort of bait
Plenty of people have been biting on it. They're just gone and now he has to throw out more bait.
Yes, except no one on Cinemaphile reads so OP is homosexual confirmed once again
best part of the entire book is when you read the messages each country is sending to the alien fleet.
us "CHINA IS EVIL, WE ARE A FREE NATION, HELP US", while China sends "American imperialists are the devil, we are the free ones help communist china!"
then you get the rebels "frick everyone just wipe us out or enslave us idk see how we feel when you show up"
they did that and the crazy celebrities involved in a global climate change terrorism group with multiple ideologies well.
the rest is wank of the lowest order. frick china.
>wank
Outed yourself as a seething anglocuck
Whether you should read this or any other book has no relation whatsoever to the fact that you should ignore everything shat out by Netflix on principle.
Well Cinemaphile, is he gonna be WADE enough for you?
Will he pull it off?
Should’ve been this weirdo. He would’ve been perfect. Plus you can age/deage him easily since he’s old but has a young face.
>Should I read this before the Netlfix adaptation comes out?
Absolutely. Because the Netflix adaptation will definitely butcher it.
is wallfacer vs swordholder sort of like liberal vs leftist?
lol oops wrong thread
the books are good tho, i'm reading them again rn for the second time
>hey anon' remember us? Your favorite ol showrunners buddies! Trust us, three body problem is in good hands.
With our luck the showrunner is probably going to be the 'sohpons only misfolded' butthole.
the producer is Alexander Woo, a super fan and friend of the author. he also did The Terror for AMC. it should be alright fren
Third book feels like the author didn't want to write it but his publisher insisted so he decided to go full crackhead misogynist
Third book is honestly the most beautiful one of the three. First one is a nice existential shock but in terms of story it doesn’t really go that far. Second one is just a Death Note style meth ramble that is still pretty based. Third book is a great blend of the first and second and attains harmony of hard sci fi and beautiful storytelling.
I wanted my boy to live a happy life, not turn into chinese Luke Skywalker who lives long enough to see a woman frick it all up
He did live a happy enough life. It’s not Cheng Xin’s fault his wife divorced him in the end and left with the kids. Luo Ji was done really well.
your post sounds like you got a stroke mid-reading and I genuinely hope you did
Increasing the probability of hitting a particle bull's-eye.
First fricking thread I've seen on this in forever and it's filled with smooth brain morons that can't even grasp the most basic of points the books try to make.
Now I know the Netlifx show will 100% shit the bed, dumbfricks can't even grasp the sophon building scenes, or the pocket universes around. They will butcher it into something completely unrelatible to the books messaging.
What does being squished into 2D feel like bros?
like you are in anime
Like a really thicc b***h buttslamming onto your face
This thread was a great reminder of how kino these books were.
Any recommendations for other sci-fi with insane concepts, even if the characters aren't that strong?
Overlords of War, Tau Zero, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Sirens of Titan
What’s the answer anon? I’m too lazy to work it out.
You can work it by multiplying each term by the conjugate of the denominator. It's the magic of difference of squares.
So the first term is multiplied by (sqrt(1)-sqrt(2))/(sqrt(1)-sqrt(2)). This simplifies the first term to sqrt(2)-sqrt(1). Do this with all terms and you fond everything magically cancels put, leaving you with just -sqrt(1)+sqrt(10)=9.
Cool, thanks
>three body problem
>kino
It's okay. It's not kino though. The closest it comes to that is Dark Forest and the bit about Singer. The rest of pretty garbage filled with poor writing and concepts that only truly make sense if you've lived under the CCP in the 60s and 70s, otherwise for a western audience it comes off as out of touch.
You don’t speak for the rest of us.
Maybe you should start reading any of the classics of Sci-Fi then if you think that Cixin writes kino.
I already do.
>spend an entire thread defending Death's End
No, you clearly do not.
Yup, I do.
>before the Netlfix adaptation comes out?
>Caring about Netflix version
Just watch the recent chinese tv series.
I care about any adaptation when I read a good book and want “more” any way I can. Even if it’s Netflix I’m watching that shit, even if it is to cringe at how bad they adapt it.
Was the life insurance company correct in not paying out Gao Wei’s life insurance policy to his family because technically from our perspective he’s still falling into the black hole within Lighstpeed II station and not dead yet?
I had forgotten about this lil homie. Thanks for reminding me anon
It should’ve triggered accelerated death benefits at least because falling into a black hole can be classified as a “terminal illness”.
Not really. The individual in question was quite healthy at the event horizon. Nothing to indicate he had any illness. The eventual and inescapable death from a black hole is the same justification as all of our own eventual and inescapable deaths, and as such cannot be defined as a terminal illness because then you’d blur the clear legal lines.
Don’t do either. Just read Murray Leinster’s First Contact.
yeah, it's not half bad I guess
if you're really lazy just get the audiobook out on the seven seas
If you read it for real you can see why it was over hyped and has a bunch of plot holes, but theres some neat ideas in there.
It's kind of like a cool idea alpha prototype of a videogame. Not yet refined but interesting and you want to see whats up.
Name one plot hole, gigatardo
>too much of a brainlet to notice them
>calls others tards
embarrassing
Just post one, brainmite.
So if this sucks then what are some good sci fi books to read?
It doesn’t and people have posted other recs already.
The whole idea of the 'dark forest' suggests that an alien civilisation advanced enough to wipe out random stars at will doesn't have the technology to monitor all the stars in the first place to detect signs of intelligent life.
Why didn't the 'Singer' just have a load of telescopes looking around? Space isn't dark and isn't a forest, it's mainly empty, you can see for billions of light years and everything is lit up by stars.
>dude the metaphor is wrong because I can interpret it literally and then I can say they’re wrong
moron. Also they do monitor everything and at the first sign of danger they wipe things out. Space is just huge.
He's kind of right. The dark forest also relied on speed of information which the sophons break by their existence. So why doesn't the Singer's race have a huge amount of sohpons deployed to at least the most stable systems? I think the instant communication being a thing breaks the concept a little bit.
You still need to build them and send them out. Again, the universe is really bit. This could already be happening and we still wouldn’t know about it. So no, he (aka you) is not right.
*big
So how about automated replication? Surely they have AI (don't remember if it was mentioned explicitly in the Singer's chapter). They could send some to exponentially grow over time. I'm not saying there couldn't be a reason as to why this isn't viable, but the way the sophon communication thing was handled made me feel as if the author himself wanted to sweep it under the rug at one point.
Then again maybe I'm not remembering it clearly and the Singer was already gathering instant information when he was on the lookout.
1. They could be doing this now and you wouldn’t know know.
2. The universe is relatively still young/middle aged based off how long it can technically go on for in the Big Crunch model (ie another 22 billion years), life hasn’t had a chance to get to such a totally dominant level yet.
>still young
What? It had already beeen unfolded like 7 times by intelligent life.
This current universe, not the higher dimensions.
But the current universe's age doesn't matter. It's inhabited with the older lifeforms still fighting a war taht started in 10 dimensions (or at least some lifeforms even more powerful than them). At this point it should be chock-full of sophon like observatories sending constant surveillance. I feel like this would lead to an eventual end of the dark forest state, once a civilization has a big enough chunk with literally no fog of war.
You make it sound easy but I’m sure going to lower dimensions is a devastating thing that brings life back to square 1. At best they can seed new life and maybe carry over some equipment via pocket universes, but remember that the Big Crunch can’t happen if there are too many pocket universes, so either matter was returned or there is no more life as heat death occurs.
The thing about the reception to the books is that it's immediately clear that alot of these people don't read sci-fi at all. They gave it chance because it was written by a Chinese author. So they experience the appeal of hard sci-fi in a digestible manner for the first time and think it's the best thing ever, when in reality it's not that novel if you know the greater context of the medium. I would imagine that if this was written by a western author it would likely be unnoticed by the mainstream.
You already posted your dumb take in this thread and got laughed at. No need to post it again. Stick to the Drumpf thread.
Correct response.
you are so desperate for (You)'s it's embarrassing
Isn't there already a TV adaptation? They're making an American one too?
I really really liked the second and third books. Makes me sad seeing criticism on here.
just dissmiss most of the criticism as anon's trying to be edgy/appear smart as that is what it is. There's also a lot of reasonable opinions which come from people who also enjoyed them a lot
>D&D already shoving weeb Sophon character in
I'll check it out but I expect nothing.
My parents are gonna think I’m such a moron after I told them how great the books are.