should i waste time watching pic related? i saw a few random episodes over the weekend and it was kind of fun. good fight scenes, costumes, and stuff like that. how's the storylines and series overall?
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should i waste time watching pic related? i saw a few random episodes over the weekend and it was kind of fun.
If you liked what you saw, then you would probably like the series. Seasons 1-3 are the best, along with 5. The show gets overly depressing in season 6 and 7 is not good other than a few episodes.
The show also has many waifus to choose from.
cool. thanks. i really like the old school 90s aesthetics...no cell phones and hs education is still about learning and not all woke shit
Just wanna go back in time to 90's HS I never got to experience for waifus alone. Everything really was better and people had hope.
Sure, all the 90's teens and YA of the era grew up to be karens and useless eaters in 2022 but it really was a more magical time bros
Season 6 has some of the best television ever made.
But yes, it is depressing.
>Season 6 has some of the best television ever made.
what kind of mongoloid do you have to be to think that? aahahahahahaha holy shit
>Once More With Feeling
>Tabula Rasa
>Normal Again
>Superstar
>Double Meat Palace
>Seeing Red
... off the top of my head
>mediocre Supernatural-level shit and a fun musical
omg ur right BEST TV EVUH OMG
Alright, buster, what are the better Buffy episodes?
not op but prophecy girl, halloween, lie to me, surprise/innocence, bewitched bothered bewildered, passion, i only have eyes for you, becoming, homecoming, band candy, lover's walk, the wish, amends, the zeppo, doppelgangland, graduation day, hush
Is Superstar the one where Jonathan makes himself the protaganist of the universe? That was S4
I agree anon, I like how it dares to put it's characters through real shit and not always keep them likeable.
THAT DOES NOT MAKE FOR FUN TV AND DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS SHOW
I see you feel very strongly about this anon.
I respectfully disagree, season 6 turned a great show into a classic.
lmao
what are some of your other favorite shows? supernatural, charmed, some cw bullshit, netflix sabrina
fricking kys
If we're being fair to Supernatural, the creator of the show pitched it as a grimy, less fantastical alternative to Buffy. Which the network took and ran with, and had a network head for three years who tried and failed to kill it, and Smallville
Waaaa lil baby want happy funny show
I agree but i do wonder why Buffy never capitalized on being the Slayer to pay the bills. I´m not saying to charge for the kills but you know, since she is going to kill some monsters anyways why not harvest the organs or keep the eggs or whatever. She could have sold tons of that stuff to Giles, owner of the magic box, on the black market or you know, to her ex boyfriend once he made it big and became the top man of the Wolfram & Heart. They probably always need that kind of stuff for satanic rituals and the such... there was absolutely no reason to work at a fast food franchise for minimum wage.
Buffy becoming a mercenary/assassin would've been a kino story arc, but sadly Marti Noxon didn't know good ideas even if it walked up to her and kicked her in the head
I mostly felt that Buffy's friends kind of sucked.
They live in her house for 6 months rent free, spend all her money, raise he from the dead then go " you better get a job to take care of those bills"
Xander especially was clearly well off financially at this point, he should have been the moneyman supporting the slaying business.
Yep, and then kicked her out of her own house like wtf
Not to mention raising her from the dead
Anya controlled his money and there's no way she'd allow it without some quid pro quo
that and, it was canon that xander was poor af
Not when he was a hot sexy construction worker.
Xander fixed the house whenever it got destroyed by monsters
i think Buffy should have evicted the lesbos tho
Xander wasn't well off, he was working temp construction gigs that didn't provide a stable income until the body split episode when he finally got hired on permanently. And while he could have payed rent, he didn't live in her house while she was dead. He was still living with his parents, something Anya complained about. He also fixed all her furniture, broken walls, and windows for free, which is more than anyone else contributed financially.
By the point of s7 he probably should have, but by that point buffy got a job at the local high school and had her own income, and the worst of her issues were behind her financially. And, fwiw, he does seem to take on a large portion the burden of paying when it comes down to the back half of s7 when they're acting as a boarding house for all the potentials. Willow and Tara were the ones who ended up being leeches. In Tara's case its understandable, she's a college student with parents who cut her off and nothing but loans. Willow, however, probably had some kind of stipend from her parents for housing and other expenses since they were famous scientists who traveled and wrote books. Unclear how much of it she could have given buffy, but it doesn't seem like it would have been enough to offset the whole brain surgery debt that was the core issue. Her mother's medical bills were what really sunk buffy, not freeloading renters.
>He was still living with his parents
Xander moved into his apartment with Anya in S5E3, well before the deaths of Buffy or Joyce. You're right, however, in asserting that WIllow was the real leech in the situation.
Ah damn I got my timelines twisted, thanks for the correction. I still think I got the main thrust of it though, the biggest issue was healthcare costs for the brain surgery. It seems like Joyce was a small business owner, running her gallery herself, so its plausible she just didn't have good enough insurance if she assumed their father would be willing to chip in given that he had a corporate job of some kind. Honestly, I got the sense from the earlier seasons that Joyce wasn't particularly well-off. The gallery openly went through some ups and downs, and she used her home as a storage facility a fair amount suggesting it wasn't very large. Her dying and them losing any kind of alimony payments might have actually been just as large a financial issue, particularly if the tumor caused her to frick things up with the business in that last year.
All things considered, while willow was leeching she was also taking care of Dawn while Buffy was dead. Its really not much of a stretch to assume that whatever her parents gave her for rent was enough to cover Dawn's food costs, housing utilities, tara's costs, herself, and not much more. Xander did have some money, but his parents also completely cut him off at 18 and Anya was running the magic box. They could certainly offset some issues, but a house isn't cheap.
Because the only people buying them seem to be demons and other nefarious types. The council had a wetsquad ready to off faith on a moments notice, it seems reasonable that they have other soldiers working for them and they can supply most anything most anyone not evil wants.
Buffy trying to deal with evil beings is a bad idea, since 99% of them are not logical and would immediately try to double cross her just because they could. The other 1% are arguably more dangerous too, since giving them a date and time where they know the location of the slayer is probably just too good an opportunity to pass up.
I watched the show back when it was on the air and I stopped halfway through 6. But I watched the show during the pandemic and Season 6 turned out to be the third best season. 3 and 2 are GOAT
People tend to get really down on 6&7. I think they're really good, but very different tonally than the others. They're not exactly a different genre of television altogether, but they do feel that way in some respects.
imo the preference for the front half or back half is really dependent on how much you like each genre, and since people watch the show in normal order usually its more fans of the front half's genre that go the distance. They're both good, but different flavors that have different kinds of appeals.
>imo the preference for the front half or back half
I now my preference for the back half
Yes, but the first season the show is still figuring itself out. That's the shortest season though, and, with some big exceptions, it mostly gets better as it goes along.
3, 4, and 6 are the best three seasons.
>3, 4, and 6
O I am laffin
(captcha TWOPVY)
3 is the peak of the highschool arc. The show is basically improving itself each season up to that point in quality, and the Mayor blows all the other villains out of the water.
4 has a bad first impression with the first episode or two, but picks up from there with some of the best episodes up to that point. Most of Spikes best moments (outside of Angel) are in that season. Yeah, the Initiative is kinda lame but they stay out of the focus for most of the season, and then they get replaced by Adam who leads to one of the best written season finales of the show. The fight scene into the foreshadowing dream episode is basically the perfect way to leave off one and lead into the next.
And S6 has already been discussed.
S5 slipped a little for me because I wasn't as big a fan of Glory, and she took up a lot of the season with less time for fun side episodes.
And Season 7 basically turned that problem up to 11 when the main villain took over the plot by the first 3 episodes and never let go.
2 is superior to 3 because Spike and Dru are delicious villains. The Mayor is... alright. Better than the Initiative for sure.
4... I guess if you like it
Hard to imagine not liking 5 for me, but I am way into Spike and thoughI hate Dawn, I like the Key thing.
6: we agree
And let us not speak of 7.
Spike and Dru are so great in season two that I never liked him as the hero love interest they turned him into because James Marsters was so popular. I always hate that shit. Did the same with Sylar in Heroes. Yes, this character we've literally seen torture and murder people is a good guy now because they're good looking and charismatic and the power of love has changed them. Fricking kek.
Spike was an amazing villain.
But they never kept the big bad around for another season, so they had to give him a story. He was ok in Season 4 as a neutered vampire
>Hard to imagine not liking 5 for me
I put it on a similar level as S2. It is good, just doesn't make top 3 for me.
>Dark Faith subplot is awful
Faith was great. You randomly give teenage girls superpowers and you would absolutely end up with a Faith. And part of what made the Mayor work so well is playing off Faith.
The second half of S3 is 'better' than the first half.
I think The Jeffersons were a spin off.
And Laverne and Shirley.
Meant for
First half of season 3 is great but you are overrating the second half--Dark Faith subplot is awful and cancels out a lot of the strength of the Mayor.
Agreed. The Angelposters on this website ignore the problems with the show to trash Buffy. I think they are both equally good in different ways. Season 5 of Buffy is my favorite season and Angel Season 5 my second favorite of the combination.
>Season 5 of Buffy is my favorite season
then you're a tard and your opinion on everything else is meaningless
go watch supernatural and charmed and the sabrina diaries or whatever the frick, homosexual
I like Charmed because breasts.
>this website has both angel and buffy posters
fanfic. this is a buffy website
Those pits NEED to be licked.
>newbie doesn't know about Fredposting
who the FRICK allowed this to go on teleivison????episode?
tara's introduction is the beginning of the end for the show, not because she's a lesbian, but because her acting is from a completely different kind of show, and it slowly spreads like a cancer through the rest of the cast (starting with willow) until they're all acting like they're in a shitty sitcom
imagine tara or dawn in season two, the rest of the characters would look at them like they're literal morons the way they behave
It's because everyone's no longer 16.
what the frick does that even mean? people don't turn into over the top sitcom characters when they turn 17 (which buffy did in season two)
what a fricking moron, try not to join conversations, homosexual, you ruin them with your idiocy
>Duh dey speak different. Duh...
It's because everyone is in their 20s in the later season instead of 16 and in fricking high school.
There, I actually spelled it out for you you fricking moronic waste of skin and air, now go have a nice day, and do your family and the entire world a fricking favor.
Stupid piece of shit.
You literally don't understand that there are different styles of acting, do you?
>everyone should act and speak like high schoolers in their 20s
Again, literally go and have a nice day you fricking moron.
you're a fricking moron, wow
Not the other anon you're trying your hardest to argue with. Try learning about different acting styles, writing styles, tone, etc. Find some dumbass Youtuber to explain it to you with examples if reading is too hard. Jesus Christ.
So they changed "acting styles" so what? I never said they didn't, I was pointing out 16 to early-mid 20s, there's going to be a fricking change in the way character talk and react to things. Now frick off.
Yeah, you're an idiot. Go back and read the thread and what anon was saying and what you were spastically arguing against.
Shut the frick up and ask your mother for more tendies, you're obviously cranky.
(You) (You) (You)
what a moronic argument
so the characters in friends behave more cartoony than the characters in the wire because... they're older
yeah, because later seasons like 6 are so "cartoony"
Says the moron that thinks everyone is going stay in arrested development for the rest of their lives and can't tell the difference between high school-speak and young adult/grown-up talk.
Why haven't you killed yourself yet? Do the world a favor and don't breed.
again, i'm talking about the style of acting, you fricking sperg
I'm not saying there isn't, but it's a valid change and it makes sense. What are you fricking moronic?
Try leaving your mother's basements for a change and actually grow as people... Oh, that's right, you can't, because once fricking incel morons, always fricking incel morons.
You'll never convince them, anon.
These people can never see Buffy as anything more than a highschool comedy.
They're fricking losers, and the worst thing is that they're also moronic, so they think they're right.
Even your new argument doesn't make sense. So they all grow as people in the exact same way including Giles and Spike and the fricking demon monsters because Buffy left high school? And Dawn acts like a child in a sitcom when she's the same age as Buffy was in season one?
I'm humoring you with examples because you don't even seem to be trolling, just failing to wrap your head around as simple a concept as a show changing tone as the seasons progress and losing something in the process.
>Spike.
Yeah, because he doesn't change at all, of course.
>And Dawn acts like a child in a sitcom.
...When? most of the time shies either grieving, being kidnapped, or doing dysfunction shit like stealing from her friends.
We're you even watching the same show? cause even when you try and "refute" me you show me how little you know. Frick off already.
Quick, make another post agreeing with yourself! That'll some 'em!
Yeah! They should do that! This is a totally different anon btw, I just agree with you and happen to type the exact same way.
I also like season 6, and I believe there are 2 of us in this thread.
>nice refute, good argument.
Enjoy your last (you) oh, and tell your mother (from her basement) that I said "hi"
moronic homosexual.
Are you seriously arguing Spike doesn't change from season two onwards..? Because if not you're having trouble comprehending simple sentences again.
>what is sarcasm
>Because if not you're having trouble comprehending simple sentences again.
The irony... also, thanks for the proof that you do have an extra chromosome, here's your last (you) homosexual.
>but m-muh acting
this anon was right, holy shit some of you are so stupid
How are you not getting it? Hope you're trolling or you're functionally moronic.
>he doesn't realize the good points
>OZ'S introduction is the beginning of the end for the show, not because she's a lesbian, but because her acting is from a completely different kind of show, and it slowly spreads like a cancer through the rest of the cast
ftfy
well you tried
you can't deny it. he wasn't a lesbo but his habits and speech patterns infected them all
>Oz
>she
>lesbian
Anon, have some care in your posting.
Tara and OZ are literally the same character genderswapped
they're both mute autists whose only purpose is being Willow's love interest/plot device (magic/wolf episodes)
I think both the first evil and the first slayer may have worked better as overarching entities present through all the show but that would have been very difficult to pull off because of the way productions and renewals work. Heck, Angel was cancelled even though it was at it´s peak rating wise. Had that been possible S07 probably could have had some resting places from the main plot. I do disagree aobut season 5 though; don´t get me wrong i am not a fan of Glory as an antagonist either but i think her situation is a very interesting way to mirror Buffy´s main conflict, namely the duality between being normal and being the slayer. Glory was somehow thorn between the two while Buffy was essentially divided in two by the monks, the original Buffy that little by little became more like the first slayer and Dawn, the human aspect of her. I find that on itself was very interesting, specially considering how the season ends and how the sixth season begins. I didn´t get these psychological bullshit elements when i was a teen though...
Buffy/ Angel still have some of the best character arcs on television. I recomend it.
i had conflicted feelings about that scene and it made me wonder, but not so much i wanted to find out, if there were porn sub genres on the me and myself kink
There are a couple of good concepts with Hermione using the time turner for self pleasure. It is disappointingly rare, and some writers tend to misunderstand how the turner works though.
shit, you just gave me flashbacks of scrolling through endless draco/snape slash to get to the hermione/hermione stuff
i remember a really good one where she visits herself in bed and starts losing her mind because she's meddling with time that i used so many times
Vamp Willow was hot, and should've had angry hate sex with Buffy
the first three seasons are kino
it falls apart in season four
five through seven are Supernatural level trash
I used to think like this but i´ve re-watched the whole show a few times by now and i´ve learned to apreciate the later seasons. I think both Buffy and Angel became more interesting once they stopped to be defined by their relationship and started to grow and define themselves by their actions and by how they dealt with life. True, villains like Adam or Glory are a far cry from The Master and The Mayor but characters actually growing and significantly changing over time more than makes up for that.
>my heart expands, 'tis grown a bulge in't,. Inspired by your beauty effulgent
why couldnt supernatural get this monster costume budget
idk but the costumes and primitive special effects blows supernatural the frick out. i assume that the buffy series had a lot more $$$ behind it. it also didn't have two leads to pay. but yeah, buffy's costumes for monsters was better than supernatural years before supernatural
Literally Eric Kripkr and his wanting to keep the show 'grounded'
Kripke has great vision but not follow through.
A thread about The Boys said it best, he's like Vince Russo from the 90s WWF, great when someone or multiple someones can tard wrangle him, terrible when allowed total control
>here's your dragons bro
Proving exactly the anons point.
That whole approach becomes dumb when you have Dragons, Werewolves, and goddamned Leviathan himself running around
>Werewolves
These aren't too OTT, unless you're going for some hulking monstrosity.
You have a point some monsters do work with that approach
>Vampires
>Ghosts
>Demons
>Skinwalkers, as they're traditionally evil shamans who turn into animals
>That one thing that took on the appearance of a clown
>Ghouls, since they're corpses in lore can just blend in like in the show
With Buffy, Angel, DS9, Babylon 5 all on at the same time, it must have been an amazing time to be a make up artist.
Growing up all I wanted was SMG to be my gf.
"you can put it anywhere"
Buffy is great. Make sure to watch Angel afterwards as well.
generally considered one of the most likable and campy series ever
Yes. Season 1 is a little slow but seasons 2 and 3 are great.
Honestly it's first few seasons are kinoband it will bring you back to a far more comfy era; they don't make them like this anymore and the later seasons have some creative episodes.
Angel is a good show too.
Not really OP. I loved Buffy in the 90s and early 00s but its super hard to watch now.
why?
I everytime I re-watch those old crush feelings come flooding back.
Angel turns into more of a bad soap opera than Buffy ever could be by S4. Luckily S5 recovers it at the end.
>S5 sucked, but that last episode.was a doozy
Frick Angel S5.
>best season of both shows
No, frick you.
This is a court mandatory reminder to blame that Jazmine thing on Charisma´s war with Joss. I don´t really care about either as individuals but it was really unprofessional on her part to get pregnant like she did. She ruined seasons of build up in the making and Joss was right on firing her for it.
Frick off Joss, nobody cares about your autistic planning
Hear hear
are there any other cases of a show getting such a successful spin off?
aside from fraiser
Happy Days had a couple.
NCIS was a spinoff of JAG
star trek the next generation is probably the biggest
or the simpsons if you count that
Better Call Saul
yes, and then watch the spinoff
It can be seen as proto woke but it's the second best work of Joss Whedon, the best being the shows spinoff Angel.
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Watched the first 3 seasons when it first aired as a kid, then binged the whole thing in 2020. Fun and comfy show, especially if you're into nostalgia about the simpler times of the 90s. Holds up even now.
The Angel spin-off (starts after Buffy S3 ends/S4 begins) is good too. Didn't really care for the first season of Angel (not into "monster of the week" type stuff these days), but the rest of the series is overall good and has a really different vibe and character dynamics compared to Buffy. Also has best waifu of both series (and one of my favorite waifus of any show) introduced near the end of S2. Season 5 is pure kino and is for me a top 5 favorite season of both shows, so it sucks that the show ended there, but at least the televised Buffyverse ended on a high note.
>Also has best waifu of both series (and one of my favorite waifus of any show) introduced near the end of S2
Illyria isn't introduced until season 5 though.
>nostalgia about the simpler times of the 90s
it's very comfy and classic. no cell phones and just primitive internet. aside, i think it's an important time capsule classic in that regard
that is unequivocally the hottest pic i've ever seen of a non-naked woman
I watch for she
Yes Buffy is cute, Xander is funny, Willow is quirky, Cordelia calls them on their bullshit and Giles is a good actor when things get to whedonish
i want to spend 24 hours licking her pits, preferably after a workout, but also after a shower. slayer preference and whatnot
>cordelia
most underrated cast member
the xander and cordelia actors were too old for their characters
both of them were dumb and had to repeat a highschool year
cordelia did well in tests but couldn't go to college because her father went to jail and lost his wealth due to tax fraud
and you believe her? that b***h is full of shit
she showed xander papers, surely a budding genius like xander wouldn't be fooled by forged results from the daughter of a known conman
imagine all 3 of them in their prime sucking you off at the same time and bending over to receive your "gift" as they ask for more all of them coked up drunk and begging for your wiener all night on a weekend blender bingeing nonstop crazy hot animalistic sex.
say what you will but spike and drusilla's pure love was more than than buffy's and angel
One of the best series ever
it's literally must watch tv, along with angel
take me back bros
> And then they fricked
you know they were thinking about it
They swapped bodies then they fricked.
Faith in Buffy's body went to work on her body's G-spot till Buffy was a wet sopping mess.
Dildos, strap ons, cattle prods, the works
She has the sexiest hair.
>It's a "2 anons actually agree about something but spend 30 minutes arguing with each other because of a tiny misunderstanding in the phrasing of the idea" episode
I wonder what proportion of threads get derailed in this way
it's nice to know that there's still some buffy fans on here and that everything isn't bots
When I was in high school I thought Buffy was the greatest show ever made.
Now, as an old man, I know that it's second best to Star Trek TNG.
Season 4 Spike best Spike
Season 2 Spike is much sexier.
I saw every episode in High School. Please anon, I beg you to avoid making the same mistakes I did.
Watch Supernatural S1-5 too. Might be more your style.
Joyce > Buffy > Dawn
cordeliea>buffy>willow>paige
Just read about what happens
Then watch Angel
Is it secretly kino? I've been meaning to unironically binge-marathon this for a while. I remember seeing some re-runs here and there as a kid. Gilmore Girls + Supernatural?
Supernatural + Scooby Doo
that webm is a pure work of art
Sheesh that cleavage. How many pretty girls are in the show? is it more kino than picrel?
one of my favorite extra characters
too bad he died defending the school
He got a heroes death, but damn it hurt. I was unexpectedly really attached to a lot of the recurring high school characters.
>good fight scenes
I watched it when it first aired up until season 5.
I loved it. Even wrote a letter to SMG and asked for an autograph.
It's definitely seen better days.
Noice.
>Have a great summer!
I probably would have an heroed if she sent me that
i love buffyanons and hope to see cool anons as we watch the series on comet
I miss it bros
ogre
damn, i'd even settle for early 2000s right about now
>whats ur aim?
Christ, Buffy's 90s haircut there is off the charts. An actual 10/10 picture.
looks like a more sensitive version of Xander
I bet he played the guitar
were those south park plushies the first mass-produced tv merch? they were fricking everywhere
OFFICIAL THREAD THEME
OFFICIAL THREAD THEME
and next one
>good fight scenes
it probably has the worst fight scenes of any show in the last 50 years.
But it is still worth a watch
I watched the first season at the time
for years though it was a show for women
I rewatched all recently for some nostalgia and it is a show for women, but is great. now I am a fan
The great debate: Angel or Spike?
He is very handsome but was rejected by willow and caveman buffy; that's spike levels of decadence
Neither. Buffy is like cookies, anon, she wasn't done baking.
Spike was just sex, and people who are obsessed with making it some epic romance are ignoring the things the show itself told them like her not loving him or when buffy admitted she was just using him. Angel needed to get his own life away from Buffy, a romance can't work if they're too consumed by each other like they were. Maybe as adults, but realistically Buffy always seemed to want a touch of normal, life outside of being the slayer, and finding someone who wasn't another demon/vamp/etc is probably the best possible outcome for her in some ways.
Yes and I'll go against the grain here and say that seasons 1 and 2 especially don't really hold up all that well if you're introducing someone to the show. I personally enjoyed seasons 5-6, season 7 was meh.
But really Angel was kino throughout, even in it's in first season. Some fricky moments around season 4 but overall a great show.
>seasons 1 and 2 especially don't really hold up all that well if you're introducing someone to the show. I personally enjoyed seasons 5-6
could it be that the people you're introducing the show to are as moronic as you perhaps?
1 I can understand, its not for everyone and the whole format has been copied to death. 2 is just fantastic all around though, the only knock on it is that its made in the era when long-term stories weren't as common and so there are a fair number of episodes that are less connected to the main plot.
Don't watch the HD version on streaming, it's shit, download the DVD rips instead.