Show was awesome, and deeply meaningful. You guys are just buttholes who hate happiness and change.
>inb4
I already know all the things you'll say. If you're gonna use the same tired arguments you use to critcize this or any other different thing, this time you're doing it knowing fully with the knowledge you're a closed-minded intellectual coward
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i meant to just say "knowing fully", and forgot i typed that mid-sentence
MEGA when?
>pilpul
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frick you Black person
aw shit, what was it? lol
dead link
>deeply meaningful
if you want to troll it needs to have some truth to it
cry about it b***h. watch the show before shitting on it next time, that way the things you'll say won't look this embarrassingly fake
>watch the show before shitting on it next time
>um just consume things before you criticize them
No I don't think I will.
most moronic post ITT
>hey guys just blindly hate life for no reason
are you a rape victim or something
>no you can't use other sources to firm opinions you need to actually consume the product to say anything about it so pay up
The board got flooded with shills from Netflix's rival streaming sites desperately trying to make people not watch it
I'm like 80% sure it's either this or other, deeper schizo theories i have
Tell the class
AI post. ignore this one anons. literally has nothing to do with OP or the other reply
>I continue to be cripplingly correct
picrel
Should I watch it OP? Why? I already know about the swapped characters. A friend said that it was kinda trash and woke. What are your thoughts on it?
Your friend cares more about politics than expressing interest in optimism, a unified good relationship in the people you know, and art that expresses subtler concepts about the human condition while still being superficially entertaining. Let go of woke v redpill and accept the whitepill
There are two types of wokeism, the natural/good one and the forced one. What type is it? Be clear about it, if it's anything like shitty shows, one being Sex Education, then I don't want to see it.
It's got the same tone as the comics with a focus on different characters. If the switch the other lead character is woke to some people just because it's a female I don't really care. I see it as providing depth to all the other characters
Thats a lot of words, but didn't actually answer if it was worth watching or not.
it's an implied answer. i wasnt just going to say yes or no based on pretenses i disagree with in the first place. instead i established my own, and left it up to him
His friends are right and you're just a baby lol
I'm a baby for enjoying and understanding a story's themes without coming up with small, outrageous things to be upset about? Yeah sure buddy
>enjoying and understanding a story's themes without coming up with small, outrageous things to be upset about?
You're a baby because no one likes your shiity show
>a unified good relationship in the people you know, and art that expresses subtler concepts about the human condition while still being superficially entertaining.
Translation:
I'm gonna be so pretentious about a crappy show
I'd rather be a pretentious wabi-sabi chad than a jaded depressive gay who can never be pleased
>jaded depressive gay who can never be pleased
Anon please stop projecting
Explain to me in an honest, concise manner how that is projection when I'm the one enjoying life and I'll concede instantly.
If you were actually enjoying life you wouldn't be here.
I can do both:D
If he were actually enjoying life he wouldn't say that other people are just sad for not liking his show like a Disney fanboy or something.
If you enjoyed life, and understood what makes life and art precious, you wouldn't be nitpicking everything you see would you?
So just consume product? Got it
Some people just have fun nitpicking what they watch. It's not some huge mark against them as humans, they just have fun in a different way then you. If they're actually attacking people instead of just expressing their opinions then that is different. It is good to accept that people are just different and consume art differently.
you're right. like i said earlier I'm young and have really bad anxiety. my switch between obsessively upset and internal self reassurance is constantly flippping. ive never been good at differentiating too, between generally sharing a negative opinion, and personal attacks, given the wording is usually similar. i do it too though
Aw sorry anon, that sounds really rough. I hope that you have fun and enjoy your show and feel better soon. 🙂 Hang in there and take care of yourself!
I'm sorry about that anon. It's ok if you like this show just don't go out attacking people for not liking it. Please if you can take a break. Stay safe
>NOO GUYS YOUR SAD BECAUSE YOU DONT CONSUME!!! I'M LOVING LIFE BECAUSE I CONSUME!!
i love you anon. i hope your mother loves you, and i hope you love her and treat her well. i hope your friends love you
Thanks anon but people should be able to criticize art. That doesn't mean people who criticize art do it to their friends or family. Saying that people who criticize art are just sad is foolish. These personal attacks for someone not liking a show are foolish. I hope you understand.
kind of a hypocritical sentiment when people will do the same thing with 1000x the pride to people like OP and not question it for a second
You're an anonymous person Cinemaphile. Not someone I know
that's even worse reasoning and doesn't answer my retort whatsoever
Bad question is bad
Not that anon but some people are jerks, either to people for liking things they don't, or to people for not liking things that they do. Both are bad and stupid, it's just tv shows (or whatever) and not remotely worth getting mad about. People being jerks online about anything is the real issue in general. People all have different opinions and sometimes people respectfully disagree, especially about something so trivial that is just a matter of personal taste.
It's because OP is a gay next question
I like women AND men
>I like... men
See what I mean?
Well I'm with a biological woman now, and plan on things staying that way indefinitely
Were you not a woman before?
What? I was saying my girlfriend is a woman. I added "biological" because I know how you guys are. kek
"Erm you're depressed for not liking my show! I however am enjoying life for thinking it's good!!"
Bait used to be believable
Or maybe his friend is a normie and saw show called scot pilgrim not be about Scott pilgrim and described it the only way he knew how to.
tl;dr
Be a bloomer not a doomer
the gay scene with todd/wallace was really forced and played without tact, but otherwise it's a good watch
i thought the scene was pretty funny the way it was played up and then instantly subverted
it was funny because it came out of nowhere unprompted and was instantly dropped, yes, but I hate it for the exact same reason. It's a weird feeling of mine.
fair enough
why was the buu saga built up as gohan's time to shine and then instantly became goku time?
Anon other things being bad isn't a defense.
That's not why I brought up the buu saga.
>Toriyama made a shift towards Gohan and other side characters, giving the story more depth
>Fans b***hed and moaned until editors forced him to bring back Goku and scared him so bad he never experimented with the formula again
Sound familiar?
So then why did you post the goku in this scenario, and all the marketing focus on him?
because scott is still the main character same with goku, and that never changed. temporary creative experimentation. jesus christ...
>because scott is still the main character
>in only 3 episodes
Hmm.....
Toriyama switched back to Goku because he realised that after writing the high school stuff and having trouble writing to his strengths, Gohan didn't work for protagonist of Dragonball.
That's literally not the case at all. As I already said, it was due to fan outcry and editors pressuring him. The same reasons the Frieza and Cell sagas were so hyperextended and went through like 10 different smaller arcs within each one. I mean, if I'm remembering wrong oh well, but I'm pretty sure I'm not
Post your FRICKING evidence.
It came form Toriyama's own damn mouth.
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-2-akira-toriyama-super-interview/
i concede
If anything, Wallace should have slept with Lucas. He mentioned it multiple times he finds him hot. Todd... like why. Did they ever talk to each other in books/movie?
He joined the film specifically to play himself and simultaneously to get close to Lucas, and the Todd thing was only circumstantial. But I'm sure Wallace was into the famous hot bass player just as much as he was into Lucas Lee. Hope this cools the steaming stones
Because Wallace is a giant bawd and we love him for it.
It's actually shit, and this has nothing to do with politics. I would be extremely happy with a Ramona only show where Scott never existed.
The plot is instead a meandering mess and a ton of bullshit.
This works okay as somebody's AU fanfic, but it is terrible and there's a lot of either cope or shills out there. If you enjoyed this, good on you. But I'm going to say it's objectively bad. There's no reason for Ramona to give a shit about Scott or for about half of the characters to even fricking be there in this take and the "Scott Pilgrim the MOVIE" plot was fart huffing self indulgent meta bullshit.
This Scott Pilgrim is all about the writer and his own ego.
I have a distast for you self interested reddit spacers who use double spaced, wordy syntax to say what at the core is a weak world-soup opinion
so many typos sorry but you know what im saying here
original creator wrote it. you're literally some nobody. I don't care!
You're fricking wrong, but you are entitled to be fricking wrong. Knock yourself the frick out.
This place and reddit are actually both shit, so good on you. Also the creator is a hack.
>waaaa my opinion is factual because i say so!
even if your opinions are based on a system of standards you either invented or adhere to from others, that's just an objective system of subjective opinions. nobody has any reason to care about your ego stroking pat-on-the-back b***hing when they could otherwise just talking about why the like a show. why do people like you think the only valid discussion about artistic things is about all the nitpicky negative aspects? why, because you're a pessimist and see people as robots and art as products? well go frick off somewhere else like Cinemaphile where they like that gay argument. this thread is for people who LIKE the show. kiss my ass you little baby. suck a thumb. all your whining is just going to mildly annoy people who like it and deter people who are vaguely interested. and if that's your actual goal here, you're just a self-righteous pseudo intellectual homosexual who only wants to pull people down instead of build them up. go jerk off or something you no life fricking loser
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Holy shit, dude, it's a just a cartoon show. I enjoyed it, you didn't. What's your damage?
nice script flip but shit attempt at trolling
It was a typo. You can enjoy things. If other people say that they think those things suck, it's just plain disagreement. It's not a judgement on you as a person, unless you worked on this. And even then, it's not, because different people enjoy different things. So chill.
You're only backpedaling after lording over the thread calling your opinions objective and called called an butthole for just trying to ruin a good mood
>wow a person typing in an aggressive way on Cinemaphile, perish the thought
So just ignore people with an opinion you don't like for frick's sake. You could and should have ignored me. Do I actually think there's any such thing as a truly objective opinion? Frick no, my post wasn't that serious or deep on fricking Cinemaphile. It's just another opinion like yours or anyone else's, there's no such thing as an really objective opinion, but this is Cinemaphile not an academic journal. Have fun enjoying your show!
I really do mean it man have fun and enjoy and Godspeed to you. :^) I hope you have an awesome day! Good on you for having fun keep on keeping on. Peace.
Frick reverse that. You enjoyed it, I didn't. I'm not holding you down and stopping you from enjoying it, go the frick ahead. If you want just want a positive echo chamber of people who nod and agree with you about everything, don't look for it on fricking Cinemaphile. I didn't and won't even insult you as a person because of your opinions on dumb fricking cartoons and comics because that would make me moronic.
By your logic the phantom menace is great.
Just because someone made something good at one point, does not mean they’re able to make something good a decade or more later, especially when they’re not the same person.
The young, up and coming 90’s hipster at the turn of the millennium who wrote Scott pilgrim is not the same person as this jaded, overly woke millionaire who’s spent the last decade being famous and comforted. He’s incapable of writing something like Scott pilgrim and this show proved it. These were not the same characters. This was not Ramona, this was just a b***hy character that looked like her
>he hates phantom menace
opinion discarded. i wont be acknowledging outright dishonesty
holy le checked!
Nit gonna take criticism from someone who parrots rlm
>reddit spacing
>There's no reason for Ramona to give a shit about Scott
She had a fun time on her date with him, but then he got murdered/kidnapped by one of her exes. She not only thought she had a connection with Scott, she also felt guilty that her past bullshit got an innocent bystander hurt.
The show made it pretty clear why Ramona was so motivated multiple times, how did you still manage to miss it?
Looks like no one gave a serious answer yet.
The original movie is hard carried by Edgar Wright. For this series he is listed as an executive producer, but he actually did nothing and it shows. It's padded with purposely slow and not funny dialogues that stretch it twice from how it should have been.
>t. hasn't read the comic
>a-at least the books were good though
"No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
Not everybody wants a punctual comedy. Sometimes a down to earth character driven story that's still stylized is better
the harry potter meme didn't pass me by btw
Didn't they got rid of the gay was of two characters and then added bi to another? That makes it less woke (lgbtqa+ -2lgbtqa = negative lgbtqa)
Yes. This was not a win for people looking for gay. The original already was gay and woke, and better about it.
Calling something woke means your friend is stupid.
Saying it's terrible fanfiction that they made into alt universe feels more apt.
Sure you can't retell the same story from Scott's perspective over and over again, but was Romona a "better" narrative to tell the story about?
Hey reddit spacer from earlier. Calling an official project "fanfiction" when it's from the original team and creators, means you're the stupid one! Not him or his friends
It still sounds stupid and not worth my time to ever look into the series as a whole then.
At least the adventure time stuff looked like it was going places, and pen ward stopped giving a shit about that series two seasons in.
The answer is yes anon, and is a better take on the original book
especially a more likable scott even if he only shows up the last 2 episodes
>especially a more likable scott
Imagine unironically presenting this as some sort of positive.
Scott's entire appeal as a character is that he's a fricking loser.
If your friend is calling it woke he’s moronic, that implies there’s trans flags and BLM signs everywhere. It’s just a Scott Pilgrim show with a twist, you can’t even say they 20-6 Ghostbusters it because aside from Ramona screentime the evil ex boyfriends get more screentime along with Wallace. I’m starting to think gays didn’t watch because even Scott gets loads of screentime and focus for the 3 episodes he appears in.
I really liked it. If you take it for what it is, an AU/what if scenario, it works really well. Everyone is in character, and the sense of humor holds. The animation is incredible. The delivery is funny (at least to me).
Also I don't know why you'd care about u being "woke" when half the cast was gay/bi in the comics too. Yes, Wallace makes out with a guy and makes him realize he's into guys. Just like he does in both the comic and the movie. lol. It's not any "woker" than the og or other adaptations were.
Go watch it and have a fun time like god intended anon.
Anyone crying about woke is being moronic when Wallace and Ramona's lesbo ex exist and have always existed since the beginning.
Literally like half the main/supportive characters are gay. Ramona is bi, Knives is bi, Kim is bi, Stephen is bi, Wallace is gay, Roxie is a lesbian. Ramona even teases Scott about being kinda gay for Lucas Lee. Todd being bi now is completely in line with the canon. Did no one read the comics? It was always gay as hell.
Well. She was drunk, it didn't count. The game tho, that proved it for sure
Purely in the context of itself, not judging it as a sequel or whatever.. It's okay, at best. Action scenes are okay. There's a few funny jokes. It just doesn't do very much to justify the amount of time it wastes. The developments with the characters don't really warrant whole episodes, beyond what we saw in every other adaptation. Some of them are dicks. Ramona was flaky and immature. They just needed to say sorry and move on. That is not material to spread out over 75% of a show's limited 8 episode run.
SP universe is full of overeacting morons that just needed an apology but they are too fricking stuborn to listen to reason until is forced to them. It's not perfect pacing wise, but it's kind of justified.
Then why do you keep posting an irrelevant character you disingenuous fricker
Hmmm no you’re wrong, and I’m not complaining about Ramona as the main character, or all the evil ex’s getting happy endings. The problem is how far it went up it’s own ass with Scott as the villain at the end. I don’t care if you hate Scott or like Scott but his motivation for being the end boss was just stupid.
>entire Scott's arc was to become a better person and think about HIMSELF first rather than being a mindless simp
>NOOOOOO A GIRL LEFT ME I MUST KILL EVERYONE RRRRRGGGHH
Well yeah. The antagonist is supposed to have a flawed motivation. That's what makes them the antagonist. Thanos syndrome
Flawed sure but come on you need some believability and that was just dumb. They really shot the bed with the finale.
It was fine enough to me
Another whitey ruined by Scott Pilshit
Sad!
any streaming or download links? not going to bother getting Netflix for this
torrent it. due diligence
What happened? Did show subvert entire plot of Scott Pilgrim or what?
Btw did Wallace get any good scenes?
it serves more as a meta sequel to all versions of it but people are acting like it's the quran to the bible spitting on the original when it's just an homage that gave more depth to the series
The Wallace scenes were good.
The plot is totally different because they kill Scott off (yeah it's a fake out, but for all purposes yes) at the beginning. The problem is this show doesn't function on its own because it counts on your knowing the characters already, it only works as a "we subverted your expectations" fake-out, and going in just to fake people out doesn't make for a narrative that can stand alone. The characters aren't fleshed out like they were in the comic and they don't make sense like they do in the comic.
This only works as a sequel and imo this would have been better as a second or third season, as it is, you need to have read the comic, and then be up for watching a whole series of just a meta commentary on the comic instead of a new story in the universe.
Your dinner, sir
you say this like 10 hours of content and 6 short comic volumes is a horribly tremendous hill to climb while thousands of pieces of media exist that require extensive knowledge on comics worth thousands of hours of study and thought to understand
I think if they had advertise this as a sequel, you would have avoided people who came into this as an entry point into the universe who wound up totally confused and thinking it was just shit because it's actually a sequel.
Pretty much all of the backlash to this could have been solved with accurate advertising. No one would have had an problem if it was presented in trailers (not the interviews with the writers) as a sequel and a brand new thing where you can't watch it without having read the comics. I tried to use it to introduce SP to people completely new to it and it was a total disaster because it just doesn't stand on its own. That's a problem with the advertising.
>brand new title
>title literally means "scott pilgrim fricks off" in canadian slang
>creator was extremely open about it being a new story and that it would supplement the original rather than replace it, and how he wasnt interested in adapting the original ever again, hence the movie and game being different as well, only on smaller scale
>people still act surprised and betrayed
I think people are upset because the main character gets sidelined so hard. There had to have been a way to tell a new story without sidelining scott this much
He's only about as sidelined as Goku was in the saiyan saga. He's the main focus the entire show thematically regardless of screen time too
Where? Where did he say this was a different story entirely and not an adaptation?
do your dd bro
no. it was obvious
Kill. Your. Self.
"I wrote this stuff almost 20 years ago," O'Malley shared. "I couldn't go back and rewrite it word for word. I kept thinking, I have to tell the story of Scott Pilgrim in a world where the story of Scott Pilgrim has already been told and people know it. I had to kind of splash a new coat of paint on it and f—- around with it." Continuing, Grabinski chimed in with his own thoughts on change. "It was very important to us to make a show that surpasses any expectations people have," Grabinski said. "To me, the idea of spending years on a project that is just beat for beat the same thing feels like a waste of time."
He never said "I'm gonna make a new story with Ramona Flowers"
I have to tell the story of Scott Pilgrim in a world where the story of Scott Pilgrim has already been told and people know it.
He didn’t tell the story of Scott pilgrim though.
And even then, it’s not like people haven’t been retelling Batman and Spider-Man’s origin for decades. You can change SOME stuff to keep it fresh and interesting, but when you change literally everything then it ceases to be what was advertised
That's what killed comics in the first place you moron. Let stories grow and change and get adapted uniquely, otherwise everything gets watered down, homogenized, and commodified.
We got the canon epilogue of Scott Pilgrim's story.
This implies it’s the same story but adapted to a new format and decade. If they changed certain plot points, adjusted personalities, gave more emphasis on some characters, explores concepts of ignored before, you know, made a real adaptation, everyone would be happy, he didn’t do this, he didn’t even do what he said in this interview. He straight up spat in its face and wrote what amounts to a deviant art fan fiction
Literally all he had to do was animate the comic. That's what people wanted. Not some ironic twist. Just do what the harry Potter movies did, and put words into motion and pictures and sounds. You don't need to update the fashion, the lingo, or the technology. Make it set in the time it takes place. Don't remake the wheel
I think this is reasonable tbh but marketing probably should've been more honest.
it was honest. alt streaming service shill
>You only had to obsessively watch the marketing to not be tricked!
have a nice day.
The trailers still made it look like it as sort of similar to the original or at least that you didn't need prior knowledge. The scenes were all ones that were the same as the movie.
If this had been called "Ramona Flowers vs. the World" and Advertised as "A new story in the Scott Pilgrim Universe" literally NO ONE would be feeling let down at all right now. This is all on the "WHAT A TWEEST!!!" advertising over something that would serve the art, cheap shock value advertising. This might have reached people who wanted a sequel otherwise.
it's either maintain a significant surprise and plotline for the show or spoil it for everyone and ruin it, which would you prefer
For me and a lot of people I was talking to, it's the opposite of "spoil." Many of us would have enjoyed this series without the fake out a lot, and instead it felt like false advertising. If this was a Rebuild of Eva sell, I would have liked it a lot.
Maybe 50% of people ime felt that way, so I wouldn't say that was clearly a good choice, but one that worked for half the audience and fell flat on its face for the other half.
Why are you defining a show's value by your shock of a small bit of misunderstanding instead of just seeing it on its own methods? If I told you I was getting you a kiwi, and you heard banana and k came home with a kiwi... it's not a banana but it's still pretty good
>methods
i have no idea how i typed that and not merits
Actually your metaphor perfectly shows the problem. If I ordered a steak and I got an ice cream cone instead or vice-verse, that's fine, but not what I wanted. Or if I ordered an ice cream cone and got a necklace instead, maybe it's great, but it's not what I wanted.
It's like asking people why they're mad if they buy a container that says "MOCHI" on it and it's filled with Hamburger Helper. Otherwise there would be no reason to label your products properly.
It's true that sometime I might just enjoy the wrong product, but at other times, I'll now be too put off by not getting what was on the label. It's needless to need to overcome that instead of just correctly advertising it. I might feel differently later, but it's only been a day.
Regardless of each person's response there was DEFINITELY a backlash and I put that 100% down to the fake out false advertising. I think it would have been much more universally well received without that miscalculation.
It doesn't matter what you ordered, when you're the one who misunderstood the fact that it was a openly a steak-flavored ice cream shop, not a steakhouse
I only saw the trailers and did not follow anything else online at all, and tons of other people were the same way. It was advertised a steakhouse there for sure. That read is common. I don't think the "takes off" part is enough to know when I first started watching "well this is a sequel to the original comics." Did you know? I assumed the adaption would be different, but it being a sequel that only works as a sequel is different from a huge change alone.
I rather they not make anything at all then.
Most people don't go to the creators social media after seeing a trailer moron especially when that trailer tells you what's its about. But even then he didn't need to be a pussy about it and call it scott pilgrim when he coulve just called it ramona flowsers.
takes off means fricks off in canada
Doesnt change anything because even if it was called scott pilgrim fricks off people would still assume the show follows Scott. If anything they'd think Scott leaves town for a bit not that he leaves his own show,
People didn't complain like this about Little Slugger being nothing but an egregore in Paranoia Agent. Why is Scott disappearing for 5 episodes in a way that's explained perfectly well in show logic worse than that?
>People didn't complain like this about Little Slugger being nothing but an egregore in Paranoia Agent.
excellent non-response
Because it a down right idiotic comparison when you put one moment of thought.
no it isnt. both are noir themed plots where a character is introduced and disappears without any explanation and the other characters are let to figure out why. not only that, but the main character in paranoia agent hardly has any lines or screentime just like scott. nobody cares in the west because it's 100% japanese and it would have been the same thing for this show had it not been canadian as well because you guys have double standards like this with everything
Scott Pilgrim takes off isn't a noir moron. Just cause there's a mystery doesn't make it noir.
>reee generalization for flow of conversation is evil and you are stupid!
i dont care. here's your (you). not even going to argue this time. you people just bore me now
>generalization for flow of conversation is evil
Yes
>and you are stupid
Yep
>Most people don't go to the creators social media
Then that's personal issue. The creator framed it this way, the anime studio framed it this way, and even Netflix framed it this way. You are choosing to be ignorant and blissfully ignore the subtle drip feed the adaptation had in it's marketing. So you're either confirmed ESL or you're watching the show through reactionary greentexts.
Daily reminder that false advertisement gays are larpers. You guys should actually pay attention to the shit you consume before spewing the dumbest shit possible. You can hate the cringe bullshit trope but for god's sake do you guys have such a small attention span that you're not willing to admit that you didn't give a shit about this series and how it purposely always had different narrative spins through its entire existence?
A vague blog statements that could be interpreted multiple ways and still be true doesn't not suddenly make the main official professional cooperate advertisement not deceptive
>Creator says not to expect a completely faithful experience in fine print
>"B-BUT ITS STILL VAGUE THO?! MY AUTISM SAYZ THAT ITS STILL A FULL ADAPTATION BROS EVEN THO THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF THE SERIES! AND THE SUBTLE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT ITLL BE FROM EVERY ANGLE OF THE MARKETING DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE... BECAUSE I SAY SO OK?!"
You didn't get tricked, you're just moronic for not actually keeping with the show. Or at the very least putting 2-n-2 together if you were that much of a lazy sack of shit to take effort.
Fun fact, a sign of autism is an inability to adjust to changes to the status quo. Some autistic kids genuinely melt down when their parents change their hairstyle.
If this had been a faithful adaption, with the same quality of animation and mid voice acting, etc the fandom would be going wild. People would be calling this a 10/10 and fans/the fandom would be looking at a new golden age.
As things are, you're looking at a mid forgettable 6/10 at best that will drive a wedge in the fandom and shrink it as the minority that liked this Netflix slop shame and chastise those that didn't like it or merely had criticisms of it by calling them chud/racists/sexist/consoomers that hate change etc.
This will mean less fanart, less porn and flatout less people caring about Scott Pilgrim (and incidentally empowers the socially mindful activist types that already hated the series for being problematic to declare that this proves them right and the people who liked the original comic are chuds...)
You're living through a trashfire when so easily it could have been a time for joy. Isn't that a shame?
>If this had been a faithful adaption
It was not. It was never intended to be a faithful adaptation.
>if my block of ice were actually a horse I could ride off into the sunset but as things are i am left with a block of ice, why isn't this a horse!?
It advertised itself as one. If you claim otherwise you are either a liar or truly delusional.
Nor does that analogy actually address the situation.
It wasn't you who ordered a horse or ice block. It was Netflix and the sellout creator that decided to give you ice instead of what you want/need.
>It advertised itself as one. If you claim otherwise you are either a liar or truly delusional.
Classic autistic trait of going schizo over a simple rugpull. In my analogy, which I will drop graciouly as autistic people generally have trouble with those, you needed to understand that the creator stated that the show was not going to be a faithful adaptation. You, anon, are the moron screeching about how an IP he cares nothing about didn't follow all the rules in your little autism land. You are left coping and seething while the creator got to do what he wanted with his characters. Call him a liar all you want, it isn't true.
So you're just lying and deliberately ignoring that the show was advertised to 99.9% of the people who saw it as a faithful adaption because the creator said on his tumblr that it was not going to be a completely "faithful" adaption - which lets point out, is a very vague and almost meaningless statement because it could mean anything from "everything is the same but Scott's shirt is different" to... well the slop we got.
But go ahead and keep coping and calling anyone who doesn't like Netflix wokeslop autistic. I am sure that will save your dying franchise.
No man. You should have read the description and followed the entire crew on X and donated to their Patreons otherwise it’s clear you’re a FAKE FAN
I know it's unamerican and all, but you homies need to learn to fricking read.
>No guys we weren’t vague about it. We just hid cryptic clues in the description of a video trailer that presented this as an adaption of the comic
Found the homies that can't read.
Saying "then things get complicated" at the very worst of it clues you in that it's some kind of sequel, not the adaptation you're whining about.
Besides, the trailer has shit that does not happen in game or movie, like Julie about to go attack someone. You "muhdaptation" morons should have been clued in to that or at least sperged out because it's not in the originals.
>No guys we weren’t vague about it. We just hid cryptic clues in the description of a video trailer that presented this as an adaption of the comic
I mean are we just going to keep repeating ourselves? Why hide clues in the description, but not hint at anything in the trailer? None of you shills can answer this so you fall back on petty insults because deep down you know they were purposely hiding this
>they didn’t want to ruin the surprise!
The surprise no one asked for? If you’re shitty sequel that’s not a sequel dies because the audience knows before hand the premise it was always shit
Melting down for several hours while ignoring what the creator said to double down on the trailer not being a 1-to-1 portrayal of the show. Seriously, get tested, I'm getting worried for you.
>No guys you should have followed all the creators socials to realize the trailer was misleading
Christ now I know you’re a shill
No one is melting down for hours that’s a delusion you made up to feel better that the show you worked on is shit. Everyone is slowly realizing what SPTO is and also calling it shit. It’s not one pissed off sperg. We all hate it. You’re an over pompous ass who is mad the plebs don’t appreciate such fine art. Embarrassing
>watch thing made by guy
>never pay attention to what the guy says about his own thing
>cry about him lying to you personally because everyone is out to get you in your little schizo land
Get help.
Where did I say this is all BLOM’s fault? Why do I need to be suspicious that a trailer is lying to me and seek multiple sources to make sure the trailer isn’t full of shit? WHY was it hidden in the description? WHY would they not present the new premise in the trailer?
Still can’t be answered by any shill here.
>Why do I need to be suspicious that a trailer is lying to me and seek multiple sources to make sure the trailer isn’t full of shit? WHY was it hidden in the description? WHY would they not present the new premise in the trailer?
Actual schizophrenia. And if you actually cared and aren't a lying gay you'd notice the ninja paparazzi in the trailer.
It’s amazing how I’m a sperg for getting upset that trailer didn’t reflect well what this was, but I’m also expected to do MatPat game theory levels of hyper scrutinizing a trailer to understand this is a bait and switch
You're just admitting you were never a fan and are on this thread punching at ghosts. Take. Your. Meds.
Amazing how every post you make just makes you sound more wrong and deranged.
Everything you say is projection. Autism. Meds. You never even liked the comic.
>surly if I say they’re crazy once more they’ll think I’m correct. Back up my argument? Pfft nah just read the description bro!
You are unable to follow simple critical thinking skills, so I assume you are crazy, because then I'd have to say you're underage, which is worse. This is a skill you are supposed to learn. Inference can be executed by 7 year olds.
Literally every one of your replies is just calling me stupid without backing up why I’m wrong. You’re a joke
You are literally too dumb to read why I called you stupid. It's okay, I pity you so I will point it out. In the post you are replying to, I lay out clearly what my issue with you is.
>You are unable to follow simple critical thinking skills
You are wrong because you cannot critically think. You need everything handed to you on a plate. You cannot follow basic plotlines. You don't even know what subtext is. Should I list more reasons why you are wrong?
>still just calling me different variations of stupid
kek well I guess attacking character is what you do when you can’t back up your argument
Buddy that's this whole site. You're not gonna make a penguine self reflective when to him you're a sea lion
Man I sure do love when the comics showed all those papparazzi ninjas! They were my absolute favorite part of the comics! Yesiree they were always in the comics and they were the best part of it! So happy this trailer is showing that it's going to be a faithful adaptation of the comics!
Just goes to show the zoomers in this thread who drank too much fluoride water as a kid never even read the comic
Not really. That's a pretty obtuse statement that could refer to a plethora of things.
That's your defense? Hahahahahaha
>simple rugpull
aka.......... a lie
different anon here btw, only dropping in to call out your sophistry
>If this had been a faithful adaption, with the same quality of animation and mid voice acting, etc the fandom would be going wild.
You do know that this was never the case right? I understand israeliteflix didn't put the creator commentary on the forefront of the marketing, which is a bad idea in hindsight. However, like I stated when you take into consideration:
>Every major creative input for the show echoed this statement or at least implied it.
>October 18th trailer shows a bunch of scenes that have absolutely zero equivalent in the comic/movie, that can't be written off as just slight changes (ei its shows part of the paparazzi ninja fight). Even the more recent November trailer says "things get more complicated" AFTER giving a cliffs notes description of the premise to the comics.
>"TAKES OFF" wording.
>Sciencesaru released promotional art that made it obvious it wouldn’t be a adaptation.
>O'Malley has also said a bunch that he doesn't believe in adapting the same material over and over again, a series staple since.
So you admit you never ventured out of your echo chamber and just make moronic assumptions about how the show SHOULD work.
>As things are, you're looking at a mid forgettable 6/10.
Not as good as the comics but it's a 7~8 at best.
>will drive a wedge in the fandom and shrink it as the minority.
Fandom discourse has happened since day 1. Nothingburger
>shame and chastise those that didn't like it or merely had criticisms.
Nobody gives a frick whenever or not you liked it. But when you're screeching "MUH FALSE AD" when the story isn't conforming with your boring fanfic, it makes you sound like a homosexual tourist. That meme isn't true and I'm sick of Black folk like you coming on this board and stinking up the discussion with that shit.
>less people caring about Scott Pilgrim.
Good. Less people like you to worry about
>empowers the socially mindful activist types
Not my problem. SP has always been woke central.
>said the N-word
Your argument is invalid.
I know you're a bit slow so I'll let you take an hour to come up with something other than "Wah Wah he said the really bad word so I'll throw my hands in the air and admit I'm talking out of my ass!".
Apologize for using that word and maybe I'll consider reading your post. I don't deal with racists.
>After meeting the woman of his dreams, a charming musician finds himself contending with an army of her ex-boyfriends.
Funny how they had to clarify that shit everywhere but in the actual trailers and title and show description.
That's a lame excuse.
Things don't need an excuse to be the way they are
Nah man that twist got me hooked. I was interested in an adaption but I know how it goes after Scott loses anything could happen
nice post. i like you anon
Then you're part of the 50% of the audience that it worked for. It didn't work for the other 50% and that's why there's a backlash to the show. It's arbitrary whether it worked for people or not.
discussing it is arbitrary. creators intention trumps audience outcry. it's not your art. it's yours to like or dislike, but you don't get creative say over someone else's art unless you're doing something yourself, like changing it yourself
Where is anyone who is saying "I didn't like this" trying to change anything or have "creative say"? If I don't like grilled cheese sandwiches, I'm not saying they shouldn't exist. Just that I do not like them personally. That's such a weird idea.
If only i had a nickel for every Cinemaphile conversation with anons who acted ignorant of other anon's posts except his own when the general narrative whose sentiments he's agreeing with subtely, get called out as a blanket criticism
I personally know people who didn’t know that this wasn’t a straight adaption so had no idea what was changed because they never read the comic or watched the movie. Those people are the real victims
I like the way you completely avoided telling us if they enjoyed the show or not
I didn’t think it was relevant. They told me it was alright.
Is future scott really supposed to be the original comic scott
more like an amalgam of comic, film, and game scotts all at once. same with nu-scott
So he did grow as a person but somehow regressed?
he never stopped being an innocently stupid guy, even in the comics
Just kind of feels like it shits on the original stories to make him the final villain, especially since from what I remember, future ramona ends up as a goddess and kills future scott, never really acknowledging her own problems and just merging with present ramona
The troony shill campaign is really strong with this one. I won't watch your WHITE MAN BAD show anyway.
Do I need to know/read/watch anything about this before watching the netflix movie?
how did you know im playing that game..
show* I meant, not movie, got it confused sorry
Not really. There's a few retcons like some people not existing from the comics and ninjas not having to do with Knives' true legacy. But it does leave a fuller experience
It's mostly its own thing but it assumes that you know how the books/movie play out; you'll be fine just watching the new show and reading the books later
My experience is that people (or at least a lot of people) have no idea what's even going on and think it sucks without having read the comic and seen the movie first, which is the big problem.
How many people hated Steins;Gate when it released
No one, actually
oh okay thank you for honestly answering. i wasnt asking to make a point. for some reason this show reminded me of steins;geit slightly
I remember people thinking the premises was kinda lame, but I can’t recall any hate towards steins;gate until a few years later when it was popular and thus “must be hated”
Oh oops. If you didn't watch ANYTHING, then you have to watch the movie or read the comics. It's a sexual
Which movie? Where do I start?
I am completely blind to this, only getting into it because a (girl) friend of mine recommended it
It's called Scott Pilgrim vs the World (2010) . It's also great Cinemaphile wise too. And there's a storytime of one of the three versions of the comic series publication happening right now if you think you can binge the comic series too. I think that one is just 6 volumes. I'm not too familiar of comic series titles because I only pirate those lol
This is basically an animated sequel to the movie. Watch that first
I love you, Alan Wake anon
My problem is it's He-Man all over again. Basically false advertising.
>plot includes a twist
NNNOOO FALSE ADVERTISING I WAS LIED TO BOYCOTT NNNOOO
Usual Suspects isn't a good example, is it? Everyone they said was in the movie was in the movie. This is like buying Metal Gear Solid 2 after being sold on the demo mission, then finding out 90% of the game you play as some whiny blonde twink.
How are you not banned?
Any criticism about people sperging out that the anime isn’t the same as the comic is null when you got these crazies running around
I want a season 2 with Julie and Goose vs Scott and Ramona. They referenced Kim and Knives having a romantic connection through their song together, but didn’t feel the need to make it actually happen on screen yet. Makes me think they’ll wait til Knives turns 18 and then have them get together just to sidestep the whole thing. Stephen Stills and Envy got shafted the hardest in terms of having the least development and least to do, so it would be nice to see them get up to something in another season
There will definitely be a second season. There's both enough people who love it and enough people mindlessly hatewatching it to guarantee. And especially everyone is binging it, which Netflix has said time and again is their real main standard for greenlighting further seasons because they want a big cultural icon like Stranger Things... You can be assured, Scott's not going anywhere
That anime studio usually doesnt do season 2s, so unless Netflix ordered 1 season and chopped it in half like they usually do there likely isn't more.
that studio reached out to omalley with interest in doing the show on their own and were obviously willing to tease with that stinger at the end, so who knows
Who the frick is goose
Watch the show
instead of being offed by Scott, Gideon gets his ass beaten by Patel and loses his megacorp making him a messy loser and back to his old name "Goose"
This leads to him living with Julie and begin scheming on whatever he was trying to do before but below scotts level and bros out with Lucas for 90min while ruining Julie's house
In the end he gets his megacorp back with Julie at his side and hints at the plot for a non existant season 2 because the creator knew people were going to be mad about the fake out
Its not a really spoiler if its the C-plot
It's probably less super and more corp now considering that Matthew Patel said that he knew frick all about business and lost billions.
Gideon/Goose can get it back easily
plus I pretty sure its video game rules so just beat up a thousand trash cans and you can make that money easily
I don't know if it was pointed out already, but the show completely forgets the Glow exists. Ramona never experiences it even though we follow her through the entire show and the other six women who are enslaved by Gideon are never alluded to. Kim also remembers Scott's version of the fight with Simon Lee, which in the comic was a mere fake memory caused by Gideon. In fact, Gideon's entire backstory was expanded to fit Julie. So comic =/= cartoon, unless they retcon the events further later to be all some massive keikaku created by Gideon.
No, dumbass. It was real. Difference is the show put the real appearance instead of showing the Gideon lookalike fake appearance
You people are genuinely moronic.
Hey pal. I know you're upset. That's a picture from the comic though. The show is a new story
You literally disproved yourself, dumbass
Hey buddy.. It's called creative liberties. Happens all the time in an artistic adaptation
Gideon lost everything to Matthew who doesn't really know/care about it
You know where else Kim's flashback, the glow, and Gideon's exes were never brought up? Picrel.
Speaking of which, do they bring back Ramona's microchip? Because I've jerked off to that countless times and I'm irritated Ramona Flowers mind control fetish art never became a thing. It would be nice if the show introduced it to the new audience.
They don't
Presumably Patel inherited it, but probably cut funding not understanding its importance.
It's technically still present because of that one second scene. But wasnt brought up due to Gideon not having access anymore at the time and he didn't get it back until all's over and has a girl now
So is Akuma Scott Book Scott and We have different Scotts for each adaptation?
No. Older/Even Older Scott is an inconsistent Scott of this anime. He said that even with his nanomachines his timeline rewrote and somehow still ended up marrying Ramona, suggesting that it's the same Scott both in the present and the future, but when he kidnapped himself previously he should have ended up changing the timeline there too, except he had a virtual boy that showed all the evil ex fighting he did from the comics/movie, which really should only happen if it's a separate timeline.
As soon as he kidnapped Scott, Older Scott created a new timeline. Future Trunks logic, not Back to the Future
And again, even older Scott says that his timeline rewrote to where he STILL married Ramona in spite of the nanomachines preventing them from kissing, which also suggests back to the future rules.
The story is inconsistent with its application of time travel by doing both instead of sticking with one.
Then maybe it's both Future Trunks and Back to the Future rules at the same time. You're focused too much on the superficial elements rather than the execution of the thematic truth of the scene though
>Back to the future
It IS Back to the Future logic. Back to the Future literally happened. we had a character who fought Future Scott using roller blades made from the Time Machine car
Again, the cartoon applies both.
Under back to the future rules, Older Scott shouldn't have had that virtua boy slideshow or a youth where he fought Ramona's 7 evil exes at all because he changed the past, similar to how 1985 Hill Valley in BttF2 was different because 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff the Almanac.
Under Future Trunks rules, any change that happens in Regular Scott's life shouldn't affect Older Scott/Even Older Scott because they're a separate timeline.
Just the first movie logic then
Same applies to the first movie though. Marty was fading away as George and Lorraine were getting separated, his siblings in their family photo vanishing one by one, then he sprang back whole not long after George punched Biff.
>Then maybe it's both Future Trunks and Back to the Future rules at the same time
I outright said they applied both approaches fiction has to time travel.
I'm not focusing on anything. I'm just saying that's who Even Older Scott was. He's a walking inconsistency. He's neither from the comics, game, or movie, and yet he's all of those at the same time. He's anime Scott's future as well as someone from a separate timeline.
fair enough
he was trying to say it's obviously meant to be a secret epilogue
It's pretty obvious the future was slowly going to fade into the new future. It's not an instant change, it barely started when he arrived. The first movie took place in a week or so (I watched it for the first time when it was in theaters last month. I never cared about the main character but the purple underwear scene got me hit and bothered. Holy shit)
>It's pretty obvious the future was slowly going to fade into the new future.
Then that's inconsistent as well because of EOS talking about his memories and past having changed in
. Why would that change come "faster" than his yoinking of himself when the kidnapping came first?
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alright this one's my real last post. hopefully this clears up some confusion. i know it's from something else
I don't care, as long as it establishes it's the same timeline. Maybe it already all faded to the new change already but kidnapping Scott was still the thing that happened. It's been 10 years for him after the kidnapping, and 25 years when he met Ramona, his memory could be blurry because he's old
there is no spoon
not caught up on all these discrepancies because its established even before the time warp that things are different. for example crash and the boys dont ever play
It was different the moment Scott talks to Ramona. He uses Sonic trivia instead of trying to make small talk about her shoes (comics) or Pacman trivia (movie).
Also the netflix bit instead of amazon, which in addition to being cheeky also shows that this is a different timeline altogether, I guess.
So let me get this straight, future ramona and scott separate, ramona never visits scott for ten years and then proceeds to blame scott for never making the move? I thought this series was about how ramona should deal with her own problems, they better fricking acknowledge this in season two and actively have future ramona get fricked over
She told Scott she wanted space. He misunderstood and ghosted her and went full moron instead of just reaching out to her. If you watched the last episode they verbally address the exact criticism you're sharing
Why couldn’t she have reached out to him
I was thinking the same
I was trying to tell that guy it's literally explained within the same scene he was talking about but instead of going back and seeing for himself he just kept repeating the question
>She told Scott she wanted space. He misunderstood and ghosted her and went full moron instead of just reaching out to her. If you watched the last episode they verbally address the exact criticism you're sharing
Isn't he just austistic? Scot isn't the problem here. Well he is, but the problem is he is too austistic which is a character flaw, but it is like a character flaw of being too innocent or something where it is a flaw where it is impossible for it to be the fault of the person with the flaw. If anything the issue is she wanted to have a relationship with someone who was moronic which makes her like Scott having a relationship with Knives where they are both guilty of being in relationships with the immature.
>Isn't he just austistic?
No. He's delusional. He thinks he's a super awesome dude that can do no wrong. It's a trait he realizes he shares with Gideon, and the fact that he wants to be a better person while Gideon either doesn't want to or doesn't care to is why Scott ultimately says he understands Gideon and that's why Scott's gonna kill him.
Okay but the person said that Ramona said she needed space so he obliged her and then never talked to her again, then she got mad that he didn't try to restablish contact with her when she was ready. That just strikes me as him being autistic and not understanding what "needing space" meant.
>Okay but the person said that Ramona said she needed space so he obliged her and then never talked to her again
There's giving someone space and there's ghosting someone. Scott, as established in the comics and to a lesser extent the movies, is prone to over reacting. He beat up Simon, whose only crime was hugging Kim, in order to date Kim. He got into a ridiculous self pity fest when Envy broke up with him even though he was the one who in a fit of drunken stupidity started the fight that lead to their break anyway.
Scott's reaction to Ramona asking for space? That's yet another moment of him over reacting, which is coupled by his delusion of thinking it's never his fault.
Okay but how was Ramona also not ghosting him if she took 10 years to get mad that he didn't try to restablish contact even though it was her who wanted to cut off contact originally for a temporary period of time. How was he supposed to know how long temporary was for?
This is just a case of her not taking responsibiltiy and just expecting things to happen to her and thus expecting he will somehow know when she is ready to reestablish contact.
So you just what? Watched it with no audio and just absorbed the pretty pictures? They literally say that Ramona runs away from the things that she loves. That's her fatal flaw. She never called Scott because, surprise surprise, they're both shitty people in desperate need of changing huge glaring flaws.
That's why she didn't call and just fricked off waiting for Scott to text her.
But she asked for for separation and he respected her wishes completely, how is he wrong how is he at fault? Was he supposed to force himself on her ? A shitty guy would start calling her in a few days
>how is he wrong how is he at fault?
Do you really not see what's wrong with reacting to "I just need some space" with "I'm gonna frick with the space time continuum by kidnapping my past self to make sure we never get together"?
That's not even anywhere near the word "appropriate response".
Both Even Older Scott and Old Ramona are in the wrong moron, the show acknowledges this. Put more atention next time autist
Except it doesn't, it points out Scott was moronic for thinking she dumped him but never mentions Ramona being moronic for not reaching out to Scott. but mentions she fine with cleaning up messes or something when the lesson for her should be to not let the mess get that big when she can do something to fix it.
I didn't watch the thing I just saw the clips and your description of what happened and the description of what happened clearly show Romano made the mistake of not realizing that Scott was an autist that was going to take her seriously when she said she needed space and would probably be the type of person who would need to be informed when she has had enough space instead of her waiting ten years to tell him that the space was sufficient.
I dropped it. Thought the changes would be good but felt like woke shit. And it was surprisingly boring? Idk what exactly but the feel felt like a snooze fest to me
>Woke
Summarily discarded. Poor attempt, at least get more than this one pity you before tippong your hand next time.
>woke shit
Wallace was having a ridiculous amount of gay sex in the PG-13 2010 film. If anything he's more chaste here and actually learns the value of love.
Other than that...there's like one mention of "non-white" describing Gideon from Ramona
See the issue is it advertised itself an adaptation of the books but it baited the viewers by killing off Scott in the first episode, the show then goes into a completely different direction that ultimately undermines the original source material and basically spits on the fans of the og material. It basically BLOM telling us "sorry for writing this problematic story, let me fix it with a new twist!". Like there's a difference in changing something in a adaptation so it can flow better for the story, and changing something in a adaptation because the original author was ashamed of some aspects in the original material. I'm not even against the idea of "Ramona Flowers vs the World" but the insidiuous marketing and execution put a bitter taste in my mouth.
No, the issue is despite them saying it was a new story multiple times all you fake normie Black folk chose to ignore it or do zero research and base your opinion of the marketing off of an art style choice
They said it was a new take, not a new story. Stop pretending. Every interview made it clear it was the story of Scott pilgrim
Yeah these are my thoughts. I would actually like a new story just about Ramona where Scoot never existed that works as just a woman fighting her evil exes by herself and is advertised as "an Alternate Universe where there is a no Scott and Ramona's the star." That would have been great.
Even better, a whole new story that has new characters where it has similarities with the video game universe and evil exes and a female protagonist.
This is the writer saying "sorry that I created the problematic character of Scott Pilgrim" but it still revolves around him when I don't give a shit about Scott Pilgrim in the anime. Like ti feels bad about Scott existing but can't actually do a new Ramona centered story without the crutch of Scott. It mostly feels like an apology for making the old SP stuff which was very bad and evil and all of that. Even though I myself kind of feel that way, it's like he can't leave it behind after realizing it was always bad the begin with. People can't move on.
As someone who liked it, I don't think this "fixes" much of the original (the gay stuff maybe, I did hear people hate the "sexy phase" line) because Scott still gets the girl by the end despite barely changing in the show. His future self being an butthole and watching his other life on the Virtual Boy is honestly lazier than what the movie and comic did for him in terms of growth. I'd prefer it had the ending been everyone abandoning Scott after realizing they've matured past him. It would have made the people mad ten times madder, but that would have been a neat resolution for the story they made here. The one we got was very messy.
homie, this is Vol. 7. It did not try to fix anything - it adds more to the story. The original events happened. It also shows that Ramona is a c**t and need to change and treat Scott better. Watch the show.
>t also shows that Ramona is a c**t and need to change and treat Scott better.
Well. That's not really new I fo. The people in the comics were TERRIBLE people lol
>volume 7
Where the frick does it say that?
It has the same issue that every netflix animated show has (especially the comedies) where there's a half a second of dead air after each line. It kills the fricking pacing of the dialogue. I had issues with the show, but I honestly feel that it would be a much more enjoyable experience if you just used a snip tool and cut out all the dead air in conversations that are supposed to be fast paced.
>i think everything a publishing company puts out is the same despite being made by thousands of different studios
ftfy
>you can't call a spade a spade, there are multiple spade manufacturers!
I'm well aware of the fact that Netflix has its shows made by multiple different studios, but Netflix is the common denominator and I don't see any other publishing company so consistently have this issue with its product, so at a certain point I feel like chalking it up to some weird Netflix mandate isn't that unreasonable
netflix only funds and distributes their shows and films. the executive producers give minor creative notes on maybe 10% of projects. this one had literally no creative interference and the complaint was so asinine idek why you care
so then why the frick is this so consistent an issue in netflix shows, from Disenchantment to Dragon Prince to Scott Pilgrim? I know I'm not the only one who notices it, I've talked to people about it for years.
i wouldnt know. i dont watch them
Wait, you don't hate-binge trash you hate to give yourself things to be angry over online? What kind of woke mind virus do you have?!
all i see are threads defending this pile of shit
0 attacking it
whats going on?
Wokes can only play the victim card so they need to create a fake enemy to perpetuate their delusion while they live swallowing shit after shit after shit.
>a hundred needlessly wordy pseud posts
it really is true that truly logical people explain things like you're 5
Why OP talks in such a whiny and desperate way?
beause I'm 23 and have social anxiety
Other than the Knives thing (which isn’t dwelled upon for too long), isn’t the main problem/aspect of the original that’s being subverted the linearity of the story? In the comics and movie he just meets Ramona, they click and start dating, he meets the exes and beats them one by one and that’s it. This way the exes exist as characters outside of their fight scenes, and they can all interact with each other instead of interacting separately just with Scott
>it's just prequel outrage bait for scott pilgrim zoomers
Prequel?
I have yet to see any JulieXGideon/Gordon ship art and I call bullshit on that.
Stop drawing Kim Pines ass for once in your life (she barely got to do anything in the anime) and get to do the cool stuff artists
I'm sold - this show made Julie the best girl next to Kim
She always was
Kim was not even in the finale for the second time. Kimgays have always been infinitely annoying
Lisa best girl
t. OP
No seriously, did future ramona seriously never attempt to reach out to future scott
>178 replies
>39 posters
Weird thread.
people tend to discuss further than two posts
Explain why other threads tend to not see ratios like this?
because theyre not good enough to get consistent engagement and are mostly coombait
It's only been 2 hours, anon. Plus, Speaking for myself and nta, I avoided Scott pilgrim threads too due to massive spoilers. And The movie was a huge deal so everyone is aware of the IP and don't want to get spoiled until they watch the series first
This just shows you angry that people are hating it and rightfully so. This show was advertised as an adaptation of the comic. If you wanna like this show fine but don't say that people who hate it are "sad" or whatever. It just makes you look like a pretentious fanboy that's angry
You're only right that I'm OP in this circumstance kek but don't go into threads by other people in the future expecting any random person to be OP just for sharing sentiment. As far as your spam about me being a hypocrite for calling people sad etc, I've read it so far. And yeah people are capable of feeling more than one emotion at a time, just as I am. People also are capable of generalizing for the sake of a more simple, less abstract conversation. If you want to get into abstract concepts I'm excited and totally willing to
What would scott and ramona's child be like?
Garlic bread
he'd be so fat
He'd be a neckbeard
So what this thread is telling me is this show is total dogshit. People only ever get this insane over stuff that's bad.
>"I already know all the arguments you are going to say, therefore they are automatically invalid"
???
As someone who read the books at a very young age, I enjoyed Takes Off. While I would've also enjoyed a shot for shot recreation of the comics, I can understand that BLO is getting tired of going back to one of his earliest works, he wants to do something different. Thats what he did with Takes Off, and thats ok. The books will always be there for me to go back to, so its nice to see an entirely new take on the world of SP that changes up the plot and focuses on Ramona and the other characters.
Maybe if he's tired of going back to one of his first works he should make something that actually surpasses it.
Fr fr no cap
it's not like making something better would immediately free him from being "the Scott Pilgrim creator." Most people still consider Radiohead "That band that made Creep" despite having a discography full of masterpieces
It did, on God
ignore the other guy. good post. you're more well balanced than i am
That's a pretty low bar
It's a shame he only has the one franchise that could get greenlit, but we couldn't get Bone to be made... or that Gorillaz movie.
difffrence for the sake of diffrence =/= good, i get being frustrated that people only like one of his creaations buts that no reason to spite fans
It isn't a difference, it's a whole ass new chapter
basically everyone praising it says some version of "its good becuase its diffrent, the suprise is a breath of fresh air, i didnt want to see the comic animated anyways, scott had his chance to be the star already etc"
I'm more surprised people think this was gonna be a straight up 1:1 anime style multiple seasons adaption. It's only 8 episodes
Not true. The people praising are only making those points in retort to the people criticizing them in the first place, not just randomly bringing up that they like anything like that. What people like in the show is the immaculate animation, the obvious care gone into the voicework, and the story giving extra depth and capping off the future for Scott and Ramona in a way that's reassuring as a person who's older now and has been through the old Scott story. People like it because it's definitive closure for the story, and because it hammers in the concept of redemption way better than the original did
>slapping wet fart noises
westaboos in nipland seem to be happy with the quality of the adaptation. It’s kinda sad how the threads are overlooking how good the visuals are for the show.
i didnt mention it but i do love the way the show looks. one of the prettiest animeout there i think
that lesbian kiss was disgusting to watch and I can't tell if it was on purpose or not but it very much was creator being tropey anime bait.
I've seen better from actual animes.
Anyone have a picture of older Scott? I’m not gonna bother watching this anyway because I intrinsically don’t like anything from Netflix. (I’m afraid of what they’re gonna do to DMC next)
Here's Younger Older Scott
natty or juice?
it was natty. he used the i ching to put the odds of reality in his favor (you see it on his wall in a training montage)
Scott + 14 years
Scott + 24 years
I hope scott and ramona have a happy life together in the future with a stable family. It's unlikely, but I have faith!
we'll see in season 2
There's a season 2 already planned?
Could happen
>time travel cop-out
nah I'm good. I've had enough of this shit
There was no copout. The person who caused the whole thing self reflected and pushed to be better
I just finished it and I don't get the hate. I liked it.
A little disappointed that it wasn't the direct adaptation of the comic it was sold as, but making it into a secret sequel/deconstruction of the movie was the better choice.
> I already know all the things you'll say. If you're gonna use the same tired arguments you use to critcize this or any other different thing, this time you're doing it knowing fully with the knowledge you're a closed-minded intellectual coward
Why even make a thread? What’s the point of this thread besides wanting to try and hit bump limit? Dishonest shill
Because I like discussing things kek. But yeah all people are the same and everything is black and white. What I said on the inb4 section was to dissuade annoying, repetitive buttholes. Which it did. All the people save for maybe one or two ITT who ive insulted or disagreed with for not liking the show have brought something new to the table. You can't say the same thing about the open ended bump limit thread someone else made last night
I will leave this thread now for the freedom of the thread
The Wallace and Todd relationship felt forced. I didn't like it. It should have been with Lucas
Lucas wouldn't have had any confusion about hooking up with Wallace though. He'd just look at Wallace, drop his pants, and say Whatever.
it was forced, wallace forced it. wallaces whole character is turning straight dudes
The animation is 10/10 and the fact that other than Primal, nothing that's been produced in the West in the past 15 years has come even close should be giving everyone pause. Why are only the Japanese allowed to draw well now?
We have Treasure Planet and Atlantis. They never will
What time period does the time skip take place in?
I loved it too. Also Stacey best girl
Can you screenshot his ass when it isn't blurred? Holy moly
He's so hot in this show.
Wow,!! Yeah, the character designer did well!
>erm infinity war trailers should have spoiled that all the heroes die so people going into endgame would be less confused
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why does everything have to be about replacing white male leads with women or minorities?
samegay is samegay
See what I mean?
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>Another day, another IP makes a mind numbingly moronic decision that insane people are frothing at the mouth to go to bat for. For some reason.
You're part of the vocal like 1% of people who hate the show dude. The people who like it have good reasons that you're just ignoring to feel more comfortable shitting on it. You probably have your own reasons not to like it which is fine too
Another day, another IP makes a mind numbingly moronic decision that insane people are frothing at the mouth to go to bat for. For some reason.
Is it me, or is future scott a major character assassination?
He is, for the comic book version of Scott.
The movie/game version never had Nega Scott as a physical manifestation of him running away from his problems. Never came to understand why Gideon is the way he is, never had the introspection that he's a shitty person. For movie Scott to frick up is just normal, and not fricking up for 13 years is the anomaly. For game Scott, it's a common enough trope for the protag of a previous game to become an enemy in a later one.
i saw the full thing and i liked it.
dialogue delivery was a little dry, sounded like none of them had really done VA work before except chris evans who was alright, but honestly dry dialogue delivery kind of fits with the mid 00's hipster vibe so i guess thats forgivable.
that was realyl my only issue though, solid show, great animation and soundtrack
Roxie's the only one who's done a lot of VA work right?
Jason Schwartzman (Gideon) has a lot of voice acting credits under his filmography too. Not to the extent of Mae Whitman (Roxie), but enough to say he's done a lot of VA work.
There are actually good points to be made about the show so I'm not convinced you actually watched it, this is a bait post.
Good points:
>music is great
>animation is great
>despite being from Ramona's perspective the story doesn't completely cut out Scott and instead more realistically shows how both sides of their relationship require reflection beyond "defeating the exes"
Bad points:
>pacing is a little weird
>movie cast clearly aren't all cut out to be VAs
I could barely recognize most of the VAs as the actual VAs besides Roxie and Julie.
OP discussed all of those in a later post, before you tried that gotcha
I need him
I haven't seen it yet, but I remember really liking the books and movie. Should I give it a watch? Heard a lot of mixed opinions.
If you’ve read the books, it’s worth a watch. It’s not perfect but it’s a love letter to the series and ultimately clears up a lot of problems that the books had
It's very low-commitment. Visually it looks good. I thought it was a worthy continuation and wrap-up of the story, though I wish they'd found a way to just make it a true sequel instead of forcing it into the timeline of the original.
Fun. I guess I'll give it a spin then. Hope they do my girl Knives justice.
Just gave it a watch. I LOVED IT! Had a great time. The ending was a little rushed, yeah sure, but I mean I had a great time watching it. Very in vain of the books. A few plot holes - but overall I had a great time.
I genuinely don't understand why this show got so much hate. I was expecting just a standard comic adaptation but I was pleasantly surprised how they said frick that and did something else entirely. While maybe weak at some places, I think the story was really cool. Also Ramona vs Roxie was kino.
>I genuinely don't understand why this show got so much hate
People wanted a straight up adaptation, got mad when it wasn't. And because of that, they didn't stick around to see that it's a sequel to the comics.
The show actually has great reception if you look everywhere else. The show only looks like it's getting hate if you stick to Cinemaphile threads because they get brigaded to have this moronic argument about the twist by people who didn't bother watching the show.
This is probably true unless you look at nu-X
It's not worth looking at children post on X formerly known as twitter.
That's my point it's probably all the same shit as here
No, the kids on X formerly known as twitter just get hung up on Scott dating Knives. Not worth paying attention to.
I like the show. But don't be mad at people for being pissed they got fooled.
You are right, you should leave to another place with cool people such as yourself. I recommend reddit, you get to upvote comments and they have a robot moderator, you should go there and never come back
have a nice day
The robot's neat.
Man that robot method of time travel really reminded me of Godzilla SP
>the year of our lord 2023
>people trying to bring this bottom tier garbage back from the grave and shill some relevancy into it
The show came out yesterday buddy
the scott pilgrim story is older than most people in this thread though
>the year of our lord 2023
>ISHYGDDT
Irony or autism ?
>Graphic Novel takes place of a year
>Movie takes place over a couple weeks
>Show takes place over a week
That actually explains why Lisa didn't show up, same for Knives dad. I'm guess it also takes place before Todd starts cheating on Envy with Lynette and kinda implies that Gideon was the one keeping Lucas employed in Hollywood.
All that is likely being saved for a second season, if it's even being considered at all
Hey, whoever the anon is who bought ad space just to shill some fricking chinese phone water in a cup game, i hate you. I really do. Ugliest Cinemaphile ad I've ever seen. Worse than when buttholes are just plastered on green boards
have post-win Scott get kidnapped the exact same way, then Ramona (and the gang, why not) go across Canada and the US to go find and see the ex responsible and see what they're doing now. Patel could even swoop in after Gideon gets his ass beat and take over just the same. It really wasn't contingent on there being no ex fights in the first place, and would have benefitted from changing the focus off of that entirely while keeping all of the character development from the originals. Minimal changes even needed overall.
I don't even think if they had the budget they would see a need in doing this. Why is your opinion on this so contingent on it being the same story? Just go read the comics like I do
No I'm fine with it being a different story. I wish it were a continuation rather than being contorted into the original timeline because Scott could have used some more character growth in there somewhere and it would make more sense as to why Ramona was so invested in finding him, instead of it being like two days after they met once.
Do you believe in love at first site?
Not particularly, and it feels a bit out there that pre-arc Ramona would be going this hard for someone.
They do make a pretty big point to show in this new timeline there were literally metaphysical sparks for them
So does Nega-Scott just not mean anything at this point?
I like the way he was repurposed for Future Scott. If they had just Nega, it would be boring and samey. if they had both it would be bloated and recursive
Hipstertrash
I miss real Cinemaphile. Get me out of this fricking hellscape
i dont rely on culture for my opinions, i just share them
Why do all the English actors sound so bored?
Japanese dub = professional voice actors
English dub = the old cast from the movies
Isn't Michael Cera the only actual voice actor among the cast?
The lesbian is played by Katara's VA
No. Mae Whitman is too
That's how people sound like in whatever time period this is supposed to be
No, it sounds boring, monotone and unnatural. Even for the time period of the 2000s
Emo punk hipster disinterested personality was huge in the late 90s and early 2000s. Scott Pilgrim is literally based on the movie Ghost World, where they all have extremely similar personalities as well
Half the board users weren't even born in 2000.
kek that's my actual birth year though
Then why tf are you talking about how it was in those years when in fact you weren't even born homosexual ?
Did you think me being born in the year 2000 would make me ignorant of the years that barely preceeded me by a decade, while people know the 5th name of the shittiest farter in 2100BC? I thought we were going to have a real conversation
I doubt it. You have to remember the type of girls that the movie spawned does not make them become interesting just because they dye their hair like her. And it matches perfectly with the comics dialogue. I, of course, don't talk like this, back in 2000. I have more of a frantic scaredy cat personality and only lust over hot kids from afar instead of being friends with them
Bad director.
>You guys are just buttholes who hate happiness and change.
And that's a good thing! Respect the fricking source material, homosexual
Nice try, but that one didn't get me either
>Respect the fricking source material
If you actually watched it you'd know it's a sequel.
>saw someone say they changed Wallace from a supportive room mate to a man bawd
are people just lying at this point? So many gags from the comics was him bringing random men home, he even hijacked Stacey’s boyfriend. I feel like I’m talking with people who don’t remember anything
It's almost like 90% of people who hates this has never touched the comics/film/game. Hench the same 2~3 criticisms that probably were stolen from greentexts from other threads on this board/Twitter.
I'll forever hate the animation. Not because I think it's terrible, but it brought forth a new wave of autistic tourists that are going to ruin the discussion of this series forever.
kek I've been watching your posts if you're the guy from earlier. you're cool
>newbie fujos mad that wallace doesn't give a shit about scott and wants to frick several other men, when he's been like that the entire time his character existed
>newbies in general mad that wallace doesn't give a shit about scott, because their autism dictates that people can't be mean for reasons such as scott being a useless scumsucking freeloader
fujos and yurigays have major confirmation bias; they'll ignore anything that goes against their headcanons in favor of any canon support of their ships. They're still gonna make their Scott X Wallace smut, except now they have a new toy to play with (Todd). They eating good for a while
not enough sexo
Are the twins the only characters to have respawned after dying? Why are hey special? If they aren't special, why did everyone expect Scott to be permadead?
My question is why didn't I assume for the last 20 years the twins wouldn't have multiple 1-ups stored somewhere, being hermetic technological turbo chads
It was, for sure, a plothole. I gasped when I heard that line
No. EOS kills everyone except Scott and Ramona and they all respawn back in the theater in the present.
It's the He-Man situation all over again. People thought they were getting a relatively straightforward modern adaptation and they got a curveball instead. I don't know why it's some sort of mystery how or why people would be disappointed.
Netflix gonna Netflix I guess.
Not even close. Kevin Smith wrote "frick he-man, I'm glad he's dead. I'm doing this to save the world, girl power". Scott Pilgrim is "I don't believe Scott is dead. I'm gonna go look for Scott, who I don't believe is dead, because even though we only had ONE date, I am head over heels in love with him".
I am actually baffled that people outright hated it for not being a rehash because they never gave a single fricking shit about Scott Pilgrim and cried that they got fooled. If you cared you'd seek the creator's words out. If you didn't care then you didn't know and you have no reason to be mad.
Now if you hated it for other reasons then fine, but hating it for not being a copy is the most moronic thing this board has come up with in the last 2.5 days
> Japan in charge of representing Canadian culture
where did it all go so wrong? why can't leafs into animation?
I mean Leafs and Burgers wrote everything in this show and just paid Saru to animate it soooo yeah
Correction: Edger wright is a bonger not a burger
Not familiar of this Cinemaphile slang. What country?
brit
My fricking god we really are surrounded by tourists
I didn’t know what a bonger was either
Shut up, prostitute!! Never even heard of this word in all the years I been in Cinemaphile. All of the industry's biggest sinners of pandering are US based. And some fraction of coomers and waifu shit are French, and AIslops is posted during India times. I never hear any complaints about anything British.
English are "Bongs" as in the sound Big Ben makes when it chimes.
English are also the most cucked race in the history of the planet earth. Sweeds and Leafs seethe at how they'll never come close to being as big cucks as bongs.
Ah must be an ancient term. I was thinking of weed druggies
They co-wrote with a thinktank of people at Saru
I mean the dude opens up with trying to tell you about his cool sonic cartoon series factoid. If you have sex with that you are basically guilty of pedophilia
Woke slop will always fail in the end.
Your comic and fandom is over. The cancer is here and will rob you of joy no matter how much you cope and pretend that bad is good.
tourist
Cope
Don't pretend that Scott Pillgrim comic not being some chud manifesto originally will protect/excuse the Netflix woke-shittification.
This whole thing is a Hate-Letter to the fans, and will kill the fandom dead.
None of the characters are drastically altered and it's written by the original creator. Your pre-canned drivel doesn't apply here.
Explain in simple terms what Netflix did to make it woke.
It profited off of audience desire to see Scott Pilgrim get a faithful and honest adaption (all trailers and posters hiding what the story is really about) and then rug pulled them with anti-white male feminism.
You may like it. There are always a few flies that hang around a turd. But Scott Pilgrim as a franchise reputation is dead, the creator's reputation is dead, he soldout.
There will be no season 2 and do you think the fandom is going to wait anther decade and a half for a chance at a real adaption of the story the loved. Never happens. Its unironically over.
t.
>Wojaks
>W-who hurt you
Yep. This is cope.
I am sorry for your loss.
Actually, that little fella's called a Chudjak!! It's a simple mistake, but the more you know! 😀
There's nothing to apologize for baby. I wish I could take away your pain. *starts rubbing your boner*
What about rug-pulls are woke? Explain it to me, I want to understand why you are hurting so much.
How have you not been banned when you're samegay spamming this in every thread
>delusions AND a wannbee janny
It decreased the number of LGBT characters than were originally presented
I felt so called out with the Sonic scene legitmatelly scored my gf by doing the exact same autismo
>You guys are just buttholes who hate happiness and change
The unfortunate standard of this place.
I'm not reading anything, I just want to point out that there seems to be a really wild divide between people who love the new timeline and people who hate that it was a curveball. I feel I see more genuine fans in the former camp, but I also understand the disappointment that the latter feels about never getting a full animated adaptation of the original work.
Personally it feels like a true Scott Pilgrim sequel that we never would've considered a possibility, so I'm happy with it. It's not perfect, but neither is the original comic.
This thread has all the joy and hype of a funeral procession.
does Envy make an appearance?
I don't think there's anyway for this continuity's Envy to forgive Scott.
>I already know all the things you'll say. If you're gonna use the same tired arguments you use to critcize this or any other different thing, this time you're doing it knowing fully with the knowledge you're a closed-minded intellectual coward
>any argument you could have is invalid because i said.
and im the closed minded intellectual?
The "woke" debate is fricking moronic. There's not even any black people. Not a single one. The closest thing is an Indian and half his character is that nobody likes him.
There's some black background characters.
There are a ton of ways to be woke. Generally the more you invest into one aspect means you can get away with neglecting other aspects.
So which characters won?
Think just about everyone except for Envy and Todd.
>Scott and Ramona are together
>Gideon gets his empire back and now has Julie by his side
>Matthew is a broadway star
>Knives is promoted from groupie to band member and isn't hung up on Scott
>Young Neil works in the movie industry and is liked by Security
>Twins now know their robot is capable of time travel
>Wallace hooks up with Mobile and learns true love is real
>Stacey gets to stare at Dat Ass all day at work
>Todd realizes he's gay but doesn't get to end up with Wallace
Anti-woke, kek
I like how Ramona addresses Wallace as Scott's sugar daddy
The good:
>visuals were stunning and a great adaptation of the graphic novel's style
>the fights (outside of sound design) were satisfying and to the point
>lots of cute little nods to the source material and little reference. i'll be honest and say i definitely made some beta male faces at certain things
>"subversive" plot made it far more interesting than just "the novel/movie" again
>plot had twists but you could actually logically piece most of them together which is pretty rare for any modern piece of media that mystery baits you
>good humor
>surprisingly not woke, was expecting a giant "girl power you go girl" message or something at the end, but the ending had a good message
The bad:
>most VAs sucked, somehow Michael Cera (despite being genuinely miscast in the movie) ended up being one of the better VAs
>sound design sucked, fights were well animated but the actual fight sounds/foley was lackluster and it REALLY sticks out in the final fight
>distinct lack of music. it was a lot of stupid pop shit thrown in. it really could've used some good original music instead of crappy chiptune, maybe its just nostalgia glasses but the music in the movie felt a lot better produced while still having a video game aesthetic
>too meta at times, i love scott pilgrim but the whole "movie, musical, blah blah blah" stuff made me physically cringe, felt like a modern Rick and Morty episode huffing its own fumes. i don't think it actually stands up on its own at all
>"plot" takes too long to actually get going and probably could've been a much tighter and more satisfying 6 episodes
>nitpicks: i don't think young/old scott needed different voice actors and a few of the cameos were just out of place
>it really could've used some good original music instead of crappy chiptune
The chiptune is also a nod to the source material, specifically the videogame. The one for the League vs. EOS for example is the Sub Boss theme.
Yeah but it sticks out a lot more when it's not a videogame and when the rest of the music in the show was pop hits.
>the comics that literally treats itself like a videogame complete with baddies dropping coins were killed and has videogame announcer guy calling out when fight starts sticks out when it treats itself like a videogame
I just took it as the "real" songs can be for the dramallama parts, and the chiptune for when the show goes off to be a videogame gremlin.
My point is that you don't need to put straight up chiptune music into it. I'm glad you enjoyed it, but compared to everything else, it felt incredibly jarring. It's like if the Mario movie had just put a straight up rip of the SMB1 theme right into it.
I think that's moreso just part of the show being from Scott's perspective and him being a gamer autist? When he dies, there aren't any game references (iirc) but when it cuts to him in the future things like pee bars and such are back.
kek why has every post I've seen of movie scott lately just been michael cera doing the xenoverse goku stare
It's funny that a bunch of twelve year olds think they can somehow rhetorically change people's emotional reactions to a piece of media
No one cares if the author wanted to do something new or an interview nobody read cryptically hinted that it was an AU, and the people are mad aren't missing what they tried to do.
They just don't like what they saw, and you're not going to change that.
For my part I think the bait and switch is distracting from how bad everything else is. The animation is ultra low budget, the character assassination is extreme, motivations are nonexistent, Ramona's arc ends at episode three leaving the rest of the show to flail around doing nothing, and the conclusion of the story is rushed and moronic
O'Malley is a hack
>No one cares if the author wanted to do something new
You are not only a liar, you are fat, and autistic as well
No one cares about your divorce, O'Malley
Just like no one cares about Seconds or Snot whatever
Seconds was a pretty big disappointment
>The animation is ultra low budget
lmao
>Character head floats around while lips flap and everyone else in frame is frozen solid
>Character stops talking and freezes, next character to speak unfreezes
It's some serious third unit trash and even the blatant attempts at Sakuga are Edgerunners levels of shitty
You people have no standards
>adapts artstyle flawlessly
>only time animation is ""lazy"" is when characters are just talking and even then they're constantly changing expressions and emoting
>fights look great and they don't cheese out of it
I will agree that Edgerunners had shit animation and I'm sick of everyone baseding out at their "slowed time" being revolutionary -- it was literally just keeping previous frames on screen lmao
you should write a thesis on baitposting
>The animation is ultra low budget
>Funeral for Scott despite that not being how death works and everyone knows it
>His friends and family don't give a shit that he's gone
>Ramona, the character whose primary flaw is being flighty and who has known Scott for 16 hours, not only is the only one that cares she obsessed over him
>League of evil exes dissolve and the exes stop caring about controlling Ramona for no reason
>Ramona speedruns her development so she can smooch Roxie on screen for gay points
>The entire last two episodes
The tweest is definitely a way to deflect criticism
>>His friends and family don't give a shit that he's gone
to be fair his friends and family don't give a shit about him most of the time
his family is rich but he mooches off wallace who never really cared about him
>his family is rich but he mooches off wallace who never really cared about him
Frick off, next to Kim, Wallace is easily Scott's closest fricking friend by a mile. He's a sardonic, cynical butthole but Wallace was Scott's rock after he got dumped by Envy and was the one who usually tried to push him to be better both so he'd stop fricking mooching and improve as a person. When Envy came back in the comics to frick with Scott again he was ready to scratch her eyes because Wallace is Scott's friend. This anime just either ignores or forgets that in exchange for ramping up the "everyone loves Wallace" shtick up to eleven.
This is one of the most Cinemaphile posts I've seen. Someone listing points as "Gotcha!"'s while missing the point entirely because they're too autistic to actually THINK about what's happening.
It's funny that you're so invested in your opinion being somehow objective or universal that you have to cope with the idea that there's just something "the haters" are missing
Your ego is apparently too fragile to handle the idea that someone might dislike what you like
I'm not saying you can't hate it. But all of your post was clearly implying that there was some objectively stupid writing decisions made when in fact everything you posted makes sense internal to the show's own logic and even the greater Scott Pilgrim canon.
>Clearly implying objective
Stopped reading here because you're moronic
Here, try this game. It should help.
>lists plot points without adding any commentary
you know what you did, moron.
I see you failed Binky's game
I recommend suicide
yeah i get it you're moronic and trying to act smug after getting called out
Ramona's behavior only makes sense if she already went through the original plotline and came out the other end deciding that Scott was the person she loved. And they can't pretend that it's that she's just really interested in this possible mystery where she thinks the League kidnapped Scott for some reason, because every fricking episode is
>wow you really love this guy huh?
>yeah I do *blush blush*
It's very confused writing that wants to be the same story we've already seen, but also subvert expectations by being an alternate timeline sequel retelling that gives a different story that also doesn't change the story they already told.
yo dense homie
the reason why she's obsessed and all flirty about it is because it's the first time she effectively got dumped
that's why she's obsessed
That's not what happened by any stretch.
figures that the average Cinemaphile user has no concept of critical thinking
At no point does Ramona say
>This was the first time I was ever dumped
So you can just frick off with your gay fanfiction theory.
its ok anon i cant understand subtext either but thats ok its tendies night im very excited for them
Imaginary subtext doesn't change the script. The story happened the way it happened and none of your fanfic writing was part of that.
>Imaginary subtext
>he thinks subtext needs to be stated in plain sight
Look up what subtext is in the dictionary. To help you with this, a dictionary is a book that has definitions of words.
It's imaginary because it's not there, you dense moron. You're literally imagining that the story is saying things that were not intended or even meant to be there, and never play into anywhere that the story actually goes. It's a fricking story about not running away from things and Ramona confronting her problems. It's literally the theme of every fricking episode and conflict.
>It's imaginary because it's not there, you dense moron.
You need more help than I thought you did, wow.
>if I pretend to be smug and confident that will make everyone think I'm right
Lmao you wouldn't know subtext if it tickled your prostate.
ironic coming from the guy who missed the subtext of why ramona was obsessing
Do (you)?
subtext is when a character says "hi kim, i am obsessing over scott pilgrim because i am not used to being dumped and i require closure, that makes him quite alluring to me"
Ramona wasn't dumped, though. And the only reason she's chasing after Scott is because she's desperately in love with him and knows he's not actually dead right away. So closure has nothing to do with it. She's chasing a guy she's in love with who is missing under circumstances that she believes involves all of her exes.
do they make autism meds yet
if they do you shoudl get some
So you literally couldn't follow the story at all, huh?
not really because the characters didn't state their motivations out loud so it was just noise to me
The subtext that you were merely pretending to be moronic, but were actually moronic the whole time almost went right over my head.
that's not subtext
I'm not sure anymore which one of you was originally defending the show and which one hated it for superficial reasons it seems like you both ended up typing the same exact fricking way and traded arguments back and forth 3 times
I'm telling you, he either gets it and is trying to piss you off or will not begin to understand. Look into mental alchemy and the process of depolarizing the mind, etc. You'll start seeing why you have to speak on their level, and in their terms, without being too condescending. They literally haven't done the mental work to be able to comprehend subtle concepts without bias immediately subconsciously deleting the memory
>Verification not required
Clear your namefield you dummy
Do you know what subtext is?
It is the first time a relationship wasn't ended by her, she was put in her exes shoes. Her exes are crazy and chase after Ramona, after being left in a confusing way whether it was moving away, or being ignored, or actual dumping. An unsatisfying end to their relationship made her want Scott even more.
However, you have a low EQ and will not be able to understand this unless the characters literally spell it out for you. I shouldn't expect any less on the board that has a general for Paw Patrol.
That's still not the same as being dumped dude,
it's the lack of closure you absolute fricking mongoloid
It's you wallpapering flaws in the writing with assumptions
>assumptions
holy shit you really are one of those Cinemaphile autists that needs everything spelled out to you otherwise it's "le headcanon!"
Enjoy spending your time in fictional apologetics
Okay but that's still not the same as being dumped which is what you said and even then it's still after one date so it's still unreasonable for her to act like this. you expect me to believe this is the same girl that went out of her way to save a dude after one day only too not reach out when scott was ghosting her, why didn't she just go to his house and explain things and why was it not brought up at all when both. The same thing sorta happened with roxxane
you should get diagnosed
Cinemaphile doesn't have generals, tourist
And Scott Pilgrim has roughly the same narrative sophistication and target audience as Paw Patrol anyway
>Making headcanon excuses for extremely out of character behavior
Pathetic.
Scott getting kidnapped isnt the same as Scott dumping her.
I watched the first 3 eps.
This show is literal made for manchildren who either peaked in highschool, or, more likely, were fricking losers who always liked to imagine "How things SHOULDVE been if I was popular."
I can't imagine anyone past their early 20s clapping along to this shit.
It's fricking a power fantasy for highscool dorks that refuse to grow up
what did he mean by this
It means that rewatching this in my 30s I realize how poorly this shit ages now that I've grown up past this.
Viewing this as an adult is like laughing at your cringy teen self for like Invader Zim or Hot Topic.
It's just straight slop for manchildren.
>he's 30
>on Cinemaphile
>using zoomer words like slop
You're the Anthony Fantano of Cinemaphile
>he said while chuckling smugly, on the manchild board
Cinemaphile has objectshow threads and murderdrone threads and you think this is peak baby show?
I am pretty sure its projection. There are a breed of autistic people that will defend to the death a series they like no matter how much it deteriorates or how much the creator shits on them.
When they say you're autistic for not liking change its just them admitting they've been diagnosed as on the spectrum. And raging at people who don't like it is how they deal with complex emotions they don't understand.
I think they're just saying people are autistic for wanting *checks notes* just the same series again but animated? Why would anyone just want the same story AGAIN?
Because the movie is not a direct adaptation of the comics in the same style as the comics. Are you seriously asking why anyone would want an animated adaptation of something they liked?
Yes? I forgot I'm on Cinemaphile though so maybe I should lower my expectations
Okay, so just don't post instead of begging people to engage with (you) if the goal is to just act moronic.
Not me, I want subversive slop. You really subverted my expectations Mr. O'Malley, I was expected a good story and then I got your bagged about being a divorced guy.
I don't think it NEEDED to be subversive, but if you want a cartoon in O'Malley's style of the Scott Pilgrim story... it exists already: the graphic novels. We don't need the same story told again.
>the goal is to act moronic
A lot of irony coming from the moron that just wants the same story AGAIN. Wow! Scott defeats le exes and so le awesome. I hope they do it again in 5 years but it's in VR with smell-o-vision so I can taste Ramona's sweat! I think the show was a mess but I prefer it trying something new over being a re-hash of a story we've seen before.
>If you want an animation you have the comic!
Are you a disingenuous c**t or just a moron
Pick one
>NOOOOO I NEED IT IN ANIMATED FORM FOR... REASONS!!
Why the frick do you want an adaptation so badly? For what fricking purpose? What does it fricking add? Nothing. It's the same content. The same story. You want to watch the same keys jingle in front of your face for the 10000th time. You want to see O'Malley's style animated? Cool, here's a show with it. But for what actual reason would you want the same story copy+paste'd? It feels just as unncessary as live action adaptations, but Cinemaphile conveniently would shit on those and not an animated adaptation of an existing story.
>Asking someone on the animation board why they want animation
You are moronic
Here's an experiment, copy the title of this board and paste it here. One of the words in the title will surprise you...
Its really amazing that you could possibly pick the worst possible argument.
Like congratulation, if I was trolling I would never have come up with the idea "Tell fans they're autistic for wanting an adaption of the story they love". Its so illogical its genius.
But anon it already got so many faithful adaptations like...
Like...uhhh...
Shut up you just don't get it!
Just read the comics.
NTA but having static comic panels in full motion is a pretty large jump,
>it wasn't a 1:1 remake of the comic waahhhh!! someone tried to make something new under the sun and i'm upset about it!!!!!
i don't think the show was that good but can you guys stop winging about it as if you were OWED a remake
>You guys weren’t owed anything! No stop complaining and say you love the new anime. You owe it to them.
No one is saying this, moron. But being upset that you didn't just get the same story again is just entitled homosexualry.
>it’s entitled to be upset at a bait and switch. Just keep consuming and say only nice things forever.
So you’re saying you came in here to whine about people whining? Odd stance but okay
What bait and switch? It was pretty fricking clear that it was going to be its own thing, but apparently unless the show was titled "The Totally Different Adventures of Scott Pilgrim No Wait This One is More About Ramona" you won't be satisfied
Even the reviewers that liked it call it a bait and switch you clown
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23943353/netflix-scott-pilgrim-takes-off-anime-same-different-movie-comics
>sourcing Polygon
Let's be clear and civil here. I meant bait and switch from a marketing/"knowing what you're getting" point of view. Obviously the show itself has a bait and switch as part of the plot, but I think it's clear that the show wasn't going to just be an adaptation of the comics.
You tried
>no argument
Thanks for the concession
You can whine about the shit pacing, bad sfx, poor VA choices, jokes that fall flat on their face, and mischaracterization all you want and I'll never go against it. Acting like you're a victim because O Malley didn't write you a personal letter detailing all the ways the show will be different is another matter, one that is moronic and I WILL be pointing it out and this WILL be the state of all Scott threads until I get bored
This x100000. I like the show but even I can acknowledge its flaws. But being upset that the show "tricked" you despite the obvious labeling of it being something new? That's just moronic.
> Acting like you're a victim because O Malley didn't write you a personal letter detailing all the ways the show will be different is another matter
Why are you making shit up? Never said this. Make the trailer an actual representation of what this is. Why is that controversial?
>They made it so clear! They hid it in the description and said nothing about it in the trailer!
>>They made it so clear! They hid it in the description and said nothing about it in the trailer!
LOL
Yeah man. They shouldn't have had Lucas Lee fighting a mountain of Skateboard Ninjas, which everyone knows totally happened in the comic. These hacks hid ALL the changes they made. Such buttholes.
I didn’t expect a 1:1 either but keep strawmanning
It's not strawmanning, its pointing out just how asinine thinking that the trailer was gonna be an adaptation is.
Use your brain and the lore of the source material you know.
Let's pretend the trailer really was selling you on an adaptation that took liberties.
How the frick would broke ass Scott Pilgrim have a ninja, much less an army of them, to sic on Lucas?
It’s Knives family agreeing to help out Scott. They could add and change things while still keeping it the same story like every other animation adaption. Use your brain
>It's the family of the girl he cheated on agreeing to help him
You sure you read the source material? Her dad literally attacks him.
And then likes him at the end? Did you read it?
Whoa there buddy slow your roll. He doesn't like Scott. He acknowledges him after beating Roxy in a samurai style duel.
Wow, I remember the art looking way better. Then I was like what, 13 when I read this? Nostalgia Googles I guess.
Did you stop here? He literally tell knives Scott isn’t so bad and maybe her dating a white guy would be fine.
>halfway decent = likes
Are you okay anon? Do you have brain damage?
>I don’t like this guy, but you can definitely still date him daughter whose honor I was ready to kill for
Next you’ll say take my meds? Right?
He says she can date a white guy, not he can date Scott. How do you even frick that up? The page is right there for you to read.
Scott is the white guy he is referring to. He’s literally the reason why her dad is fine with her dating outside their race. Like you can’t complain about someone’s literary ability and then be unable to infer characters meanings. It’s not unbelievable that her dad could have helped Scott out in the anime if they made it a proper adaption.
>Scott is the white guy he is referring to
Other way around. He's using Scott as an exemplar of white people. That's why he's only half decent after witnessing his honorabru duel. The other half is a cheating bastard who hurt his daughter.
And despite all that it’s impossible to believe he would help Scott out after that?
Yes because there's a turn order to fighting the exes. Lucas is number 2. Roxy where Mr Chau learns he's honorable is #4. For him to assist with Lucas Scott's infidelity would have to be known to Knives and Mr Chau would have to witness an honorable duel right away with Matthew Patel.
I thought we were pretending this was an adaption that took liberties? What does the exes order in the comics matter?
The order of the exes is in increasing fighting capability. You're now saying it's irrelevant that the guy he beats by having him grind down a rail is now stronger than the girl he beats in a swordfight.
Says who? Todd was way stronger than all of them. And again aren’t we pretending it’s an adaption that takes liberties? We can have an AU different story, but the idea that the exes are out of order or they fight again at some point couldn’t happen?
Says O'Malley?
>Todd was way stronger than all of them
Todd is only stronger thanks to his vegan powers. Scott literally beats him in 2 hits, once with a bass guitar and another with a headbutt.
Likewise Lucas would also be higher ranked if he actually fought seriously instead of doing dumb shit like taking breaks in the fight and taking bribes to throw.
>Superman isn’t strong if you put him next to kryptonite
Yeah no shit, but why are you discounting his powers? Where did BLOM say this? Todd was the only one who has beaten by a literal ass pull. The reason Scott and Todd ran through honest Ed’s was because a straight up fight would have Scott lose.
You also still didn’t explain why knives dad wouldn’t help Scott in our hypothetical adaption
Matthew Patel wearing more than one outfit alone hints at an expansion of some kind. The eight episode run time sealed the deal on it being a complete adaption.
I’m not complaint on things being expanded. I’m composing it’s not the story at all. They were never dead in the comic either according to BLOM which everyone here thinks I need to keep up to date with. So it wouldn’t be unusual for him to show up again in the anime after being defeated if that’s the case
i love setting the morons with reddit spacing try to have their own little "#owned" moments while being embarassingly stupid
Yes. This is the future of Scott Pilgrim. Endless arguments and seething. I love it.
It's 35 year-old manchildren being upset that they didn't get the same content again. They just want endless remakes and adaptations of the same thing so they can clap and "pog" when they see the same thing they remember from their childhood.
>its a gen alpha that was shitting in their diapers when the movie adaption of the comic came out seething that OLD BAD NEW GOOD again
The comics, the movie, and the show are all good in their own ways. They're also very flawed in their own ways.
Manchildren vs Algorithm-mind Zoomers
What a sight to behold
>the future
Scott pilgrim has always been infected with the same moronic arguments over and over and over, this is nothing new.
The truth is I never watched this, I don't even have Netflix, but I like blasting chuds that hate change so I'll defended it from the idiots that wanted nothing different at all.
Holy based. Unironically the hero that Cinemaphile needs fighting against manchildren begging for the 30th adaptation of something that was "their childhood"
>I believe there's a hero in all of us...
Speaking of, can any of you anons testify to the OJ + Ice + Cola combo? Is it any good? I kinda wanna give it a try now.
Not enough people are talking about Matthew Patel. He's worth of being third billing.
The writing for most characters was pretty good. I think the overall plot was lacking, but we got a lot of fun camp from most of the characters, even if it was a bit self indulgent.
the fact that it had a new title instead of just reusing an existing comic title was enough indication to anyone with half a brain that it was something new
Don't you get it anon, there should have been a trigger warning for neurodivergent people to let them know there would be deviations from the original plot.
Lmao imagine if netflix adds this to the first episode. Like a straight up south park-level "warning" in white text on a black background that lasts 30 seconds.
guys can the characters teleport? i dont see them walk between locations they just sometimes appear in them so i assume they teleport right? like idk there's nothing showing how they move between every location so it must be a super power
have a nice day, Patrick Willems
hey guys when the text appears on screen can the characters see that and like the text at the end of the episode with the names of people does that text appear in toronto or what im really confused
>try to make le ebic ironic post
>accidentally reveal you don't know what subtext is
Like pottery
who are you quoting
what happened to gideon? he disappeared and then all of his screen time was replaced with this gordon guy? and they reused his appearance? fricking lazy
Gideon was an illusion conjured up by Merlin, there was never any Gideon.
>get assblasted when people disprove your head canon homosexualy
>immediately start trying to snark and shitpost in an attempt to save face
>it's not working
>actually confusing subtext for implied off-screen action now
>double down anyways
>someone will come along and tell (you) that (you)'re so clever and right any second now
>just keep going
>surely pretending to be moronic will allow (you) to slink away and save face
who are you quoting
In the end he's just desperate for any kind of human interaction
>autistic homosexual bent ouf of shape because he literally cannot comprehend the idea of subtext
you really should get some help
>if the characters do not explicitly say something... it's just not true!
god Cinemaphile is autistic. but what do i expect from the board with paw patrol, digital circus, and skibidi toilet threads
guys question if i don't press next episode on netflix are the characters stopped in time? also i pressed on an earlier part of the show and it repeated the show a bit is there a time loop plot?? it happened a couple of times when i clicked on my screen
how are the characters floating during the part of the episode they play every episode at the beginning do they have powers i dont know about
based genuine ESL question. someone decipher and answer
Holy spamming samegay, Batman, some british kid here is really mad
If you mean me, I'm literally OP and samegayging ≠ namegayging ≠ tripgayging. You however are definitely a newbie
This thread just made me realize i'm not as autistic as i thought i was. Bunch of anons here have it worse than me.
The subtext is that you are autistic beyond saving and must resort to hyperbolic projection to shield your fragile ego.
U mad bro?
You're definitely freemasons trying to slide the thread so it hits bump limit and archives early because this show is soft disclosure and you don't want people seeing it.
LVX
Frick off, Black person demons
is ramona bisexual they never said
It's kind of amazing that this homosexual spent hours seething about the subtext he made up for the show, and then came to the conclusion that people disagreeing with his moronic interpretation of the plot must mean that Cinemaphile didn't understand the show because things weren't directly stated. Absolutely fricking pottery.
hey it's ok man you have autism, go back to the skibidi toilet thread, i think it's more your speed
You show genuine symptons of Asperger's Syndrome. Stop posting. Subtextual thematic elements are used in every story known to man. You couldn't even make the argument something as stupid as The Room doesn't have some kind of symbolic elements. If you disagree; that's just you either having an inability to percieve this stuff, or you're a willfully obtuse jerk
I will admit, was bummed that it wasn't a one for one retelling of the comic since that's honestly what I wanna see animated, but that's because I have no decent taste. still worth a watch imo