By rights, just having a few kills beforehand doesn't exclude it from jobbing. Jobbing is simply the act of losing for the sake of inflating the appearance of the winner, which is certainly what happens with the Kampfer getting taken out in order to demonstrate just how much of a beast the NT-1 was. Being able to take out a bunch of cannon-fodder suits first actually helped the Kampfer to job 'cleanly', by first showing that the Kampfer itself was a pretty powerful machine with a skilled pilot, so that once the NT-1 does take it out with a flick of the wrist(mounted machinegun) it's clear that the fight is still a fair one (rather than being obviously weighted the Gundam's favour) and the NT-1 is just that much more powerful
I mean you're right that the fight was pretty fair or even in the Kampfer's favor since the NT1 was under-equipped and wasn't prepped for combat, but Misha getting shot up was because the pilot misread the situation and assumed the fight was gonna turn into a beam saber duel. That's more situational than a power or a skill problem. There's no way Misha knows it has pop-up gatling guns, and even if the Gundam has the standard Feddy head vulcans and the Kampfer has thin armor, the Kampfer can at least soak up head vulcan fire without getting stopped, but the force of the 90mm gatlings just tore him apart.
The other problem is that the Kampfer's fight felt way too short. It shot its load and felt like it didn't do very much. Losing a fight quickly just looks bad. No one thinks the NT1 or Bernie's Zaku FZ jobbed in the later fight, they were trading blows with each other and their fight certainly felt like it took longer.
>Jobbing is simply the act of losing for the sake of inflating the appearance of the winner
I love how you midwits try to be pedantic and spin words to your favor, but come out wrong at the end of it. A jobber is simply a frequent loser. The Kampfer is not one of it. End of discussion.
>I love how you midwits try to be pedantic and spin words to your favor,
Irony.
Doing it frequently makes you a 'job*ber*', but being brought in to lose (because there always has to be a loser) is still 'job*bing*'. It is, literally in wrasslin' terms, 'doing one's job'. The Kampfer 'jobs' in 0080. It's that simple. Don't get assmad about it, moron
It wasn't set up to lose, dipshit. The Cyclops team built the Kampfer specifically for the Spec-Ops they were conducting and performed well at that. Their only miscalculation was the Chobham's durability. ONE mistake. That is not jobbing. Period.
If we're going to follow your ridiculous standards, then anything Char piloted is the true jobber because it keeps getting BTFO'd by the Gundam.
>If we're going to follow your ridiculous standards, then anything Char piloted is the true jobber because it keeps getting BTFO'd by the Gundam.
People on this board ALREADY think of Char that way.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Let's take it a step further and go AU. >Master Gundam >Turn X >Frost Bros Gundams >Tallgeese >Aegis and co. >Thrones >Gundam Vidar >The three fuccbois from Mercury
Better at jobbing than the Kampfer ever will.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's crazy how much char loses and loses during the original show(not the condensed movies). His allies always die but he gets off every time
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's a matter of perspective. Sure, Char never beats the Gundam until the very end, but he also doesn't horribly die like every other Zeek who tried to take on the White Devil. Likewise in CCA, where Char at least tied up Amuro for a while, meanwhile Gyunei was barely a distraction.
>It wasn't set up to lose, dipshit. The Cyclops team built the Kampfer specifically for the Spec-Ops they were conducting
Anon, it wasn't real. It was fiction. Much like with wrestling. A writer wrote the story, with the Kampfer there to establish the threat posed by the Gundam. It was introduced so that it could lose to the Gundam in spectacular fashion. > then anything Char piloted is the true jobber because it keeps getting BTFO'd by the Gundam.
Char kept fighting Amuro to a stalemate. Amuro never gets a conclusive win against Char in 0079. To the very end of the series, the best he manages is both of their machines being destroyed, and having to chase Char down on foot. Even in CCA, they start out with an inconclusive encounter at the beginning of the movie, before Amuro finally gets the upper hand at the end of the movie (while still managing to achieve his main objective because Londo Bell's plan to break Axis up goes wrong). He *isn't* just being brought in to 'do his job' and take the fall so that Amuro can have a win
8 months ago
Anonymous
Your boner for Char is admirable, but his MS performance throughout MSG is mediocre to bad, a trait that exemplifies a jobber.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Your boner for Char
Man, don't be such a gay homosexual, if I'd pulled that shit with you and acted like you had some unreasonable devotion to the Kampfer you know full well you would've called it out as bullshit >but his MS performance throughout MSG is mediocre to bad,
It's not though
This is just some weird meme /m/ has developed in recent years to push back against Charwank >First Zaku fight, withdraws after one of his dudes gets one-shotted by a beam weapon >Second Zaku fight, both sides withdraw to not burn up on re-entry >Third Zaku fight, Gundam forced to withdraw under White Base fire support as Char inflicting heavy damage >First Z'Gok fight, Char forced to withdraw as Gundam has inflicted heavy damage >First Gelgoog fight, Char takes damage and withdraws, Gundam runs out of energy and can't pursue >Second Gelgoog fight, Lalah dies saving Char, so Char withdraws >Zeong fight, both machines destroyed
That's not 'mediocre to bad' performance, that's Char being the superior pilot at first while Amuro slowly gets better and better and ultimately over takes him, with the Zeong then giving him a competitive edge
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Man, don't be such a gay homosexual, if I'd pulled that shit with you and acted like you had some unreasonable devotion to the Kampfer you know full well you would've called it out as bullshit
Simping for robutts is more respectable here than the meatbags who pilot them. Dropping the memo in case your forget, Chargay.
>to demonstrate just how much of a beast the NT-1 was
Dude...they already stated the Kampfer was really light on armor and the only thing Chris did to win was hold down the button on a wrist vulcan which isn't even a particularly powerful weapon. Nothing about her performance in the NT-1 was "beast".
By rights, just having a few kills beforehand doesn't exclude it from jobbing. Jobbing is simply the act of losing for the sake of inflating the appearance of the winner, which is certainly what happens with the Kampfer getting taken out in order to demonstrate just how much of a beast the NT-1 was. Being able to take out a bunch of cannon-fodder suits first actually helped the Kampfer to job 'cleanly', by first showing that the Kampfer itself was a pretty powerful machine with a skilled pilot, so that once the NT-1 does take it out with a flick of the wrist(mounted machinegun) it's clear that the fight is still a fair one (rather than being obviously weighted the Gundam's favour) and the NT-1 is just that much more powerful
The jobber has to take out some mooks first before jobbing. That's what makes the jobber not just another zako
i feel like Rise from the Ashes is half the reason it got so popular
I don't really get it myself though, I love all the other GM Snipers but II just doesn't do it for me
More like the reason it was in Rise from the Ashes was because it was so popular. You'd always see it popping up as a resin kit (because it wasn't in the old 0080 lineup) or someone's conversion of a GM Command in a model magazine. The Dreamcast game was the first time it got to be a major p.layer. Although that also highlights how the team behind the early Side Story games were trying as hard as possible not to invent a new Gundam like current stuff does.
GM Sniper II, GM Command, and GM Custom are like the ultimate 'self-insert' mobile suits - "My OG is not a 'Gundam' pilot at the start of the story, so I just give him a GM Command to distinguish him from the chaffs."
There's nothing wrong with those particular MS, just that they're the best available non-Gundam MS that the Federation has at the point just at or right after the OYW. Therefore it could be said that usually any named characters who are assigned those MS are probably pretty special to begin with.
You have to understand the structure of a 30-minute OVA format and the purpose of animation set pieces instead of constantly consuming everything in one singular unlimited piece.
>shows up once >Jobs after everyone within a 100 mile vicinity becomes storm troopers >Becomes Reddit's favorite
I still dont understand why they chose norris of all folks to pilot the gouf considering how White raped him to high hell the first fight.
They're not cosmetic, that implies they have fake armor and aren't up to specs. They're rushed kludgejobs with substandard parts and real luna titanium armor.
Not very many. The G-Line from the 0081 game and manga has a shotgun. The clay bazookas that the AEUG use to disable enemy machines for capturing can fire both pellet rounds and sticky shots, but since the weapon is not shotgun-shaped, maybe it's considered more like a canister round for cannons?
>shows up on screen for 2 minutes >does nothing >gets pulverized by Dendrobium >becomes fans’ favorite
People don’t care about specs or kill count only how cool it looks
Kampfer is cooler than every Gundam ever. Misha and the clops team are real ass homies. It’s not complicated. Imma go buy a kampfer pla cuz that shit was so cool Fr.
It's the tried and true classic Zeon story.
>jobs uncontrollably
>too little too late
>if it weren't for X
Imagining if they succeeded or just changed things enough to win is like crack to them, it lives rent-free in their heads as the kids say nowadays.
>jobs
Anon the Kampfer wiped out two or three squads of GM's before the Alex brought it down.
ironically the GM Sniper II also became a fan favorite after jobbing even worse against the Kampfer
By rights, just having a few kills beforehand doesn't exclude it from jobbing. Jobbing is simply the act of losing for the sake of inflating the appearance of the winner, which is certainly what happens with the Kampfer getting taken out in order to demonstrate just how much of a beast the NT-1 was. Being able to take out a bunch of cannon-fodder suits first actually helped the Kampfer to job 'cleanly', by first showing that the Kampfer itself was a pretty powerful machine with a skilled pilot, so that once the NT-1 does take it out with a flick of the wrist(mounted machinegun) it's clear that the fight is still a fair one (rather than being obviously weighted the Gundam's favour) and the NT-1 is just that much more powerful
I mean you're right that the fight was pretty fair or even in the Kampfer's favor since the NT1 was under-equipped and wasn't prepped for combat, but Misha getting shot up was because the pilot misread the situation and assumed the fight was gonna turn into a beam saber duel. That's more situational than a power or a skill problem. There's no way Misha knows it has pop-up gatling guns, and even if the Gundam has the standard Feddy head vulcans and the Kampfer has thin armor, the Kampfer can at least soak up head vulcan fire without getting stopped, but the force of the 90mm gatlings just tore him apart.
The other problem is that the Kampfer's fight felt way too short. It shot its load and felt like it didn't do very much. Losing a fight quickly just looks bad. No one thinks the NT1 or Bernie's Zaku FZ jobbed in the later fight, they were trading blows with each other and their fight certainly felt like it took longer.
>Jobbing is simply the act of losing for the sake of inflating the appearance of the winner
I love how you midwits try to be pedantic and spin words to your favor, but come out wrong at the end of it. A jobber is simply a frequent loser. The Kampfer is not one of it. End of discussion.
>I love how you midwits try to be pedantic and spin words to your favor,
Irony.
Doing it frequently makes you a 'job*ber*', but being brought in to lose (because there always has to be a loser) is still 'job*bing*'. It is, literally in wrasslin' terms, 'doing one's job'. The Kampfer 'jobs' in 0080. It's that simple. Don't get assmad about it, moron
It wasn't set up to lose, dipshit. The Cyclops team built the Kampfer specifically for the Spec-Ops they were conducting and performed well at that. Their only miscalculation was the Chobham's durability. ONE mistake. That is not jobbing. Period.
If we're going to follow your ridiculous standards, then anything Char piloted is the true jobber because it keeps getting BTFO'd by the Gundam.
>If we're going to follow your ridiculous standards, then anything Char piloted is the true jobber because it keeps getting BTFO'd by the Gundam.
People on this board ALREADY think of Char that way.
Let's take it a step further and go AU.
>Master Gundam
>Turn X
>Frost Bros Gundams
>Tallgeese
>Aegis and co.
>Thrones
>Gundam Vidar
>The three fuccbois from Mercury
Better at jobbing than the Kampfer ever will.
It's crazy how much char loses and loses during the original show(not the condensed movies). His allies always die but he gets off every time
It's a matter of perspective. Sure, Char never beats the Gundam until the very end, but he also doesn't horribly die like every other Zeek who tried to take on the White Devil. Likewise in CCA, where Char at least tied up Amuro for a while, meanwhile Gyunei was barely a distraction.
>It wasn't set up to lose, dipshit. The Cyclops team built the Kampfer specifically for the Spec-Ops they were conducting
Anon, it wasn't real. It was fiction. Much like with wrestling. A writer wrote the story, with the Kampfer there to establish the threat posed by the Gundam. It was introduced so that it could lose to the Gundam in spectacular fashion.
> then anything Char piloted is the true jobber because it keeps getting BTFO'd by the Gundam.
Char kept fighting Amuro to a stalemate. Amuro never gets a conclusive win against Char in 0079. To the very end of the series, the best he manages is both of their machines being destroyed, and having to chase Char down on foot. Even in CCA, they start out with an inconclusive encounter at the beginning of the movie, before Amuro finally gets the upper hand at the end of the movie (while still managing to achieve his main objective because Londo Bell's plan to break Axis up goes wrong). He *isn't* just being brought in to 'do his job' and take the fall so that Amuro can have a win
Your boner for Char is admirable, but his MS performance throughout MSG is mediocre to bad, a trait that exemplifies a jobber.
>Your boner for Char
Man, don't be such a gay homosexual, if I'd pulled that shit with you and acted like you had some unreasonable devotion to the Kampfer you know full well you would've called it out as bullshit
>but his MS performance throughout MSG is mediocre to bad,
It's not though
This is just some weird meme /m/ has developed in recent years to push back against Charwank
>First Zaku fight, withdraws after one of his dudes gets one-shotted by a beam weapon
>Second Zaku fight, both sides withdraw to not burn up on re-entry
>Third Zaku fight, Gundam forced to withdraw under White Base fire support as Char inflicting heavy damage
>First Z'Gok fight, Char forced to withdraw as Gundam has inflicted heavy damage
>First Gelgoog fight, Char takes damage and withdraws, Gundam runs out of energy and can't pursue
>Second Gelgoog fight, Lalah dies saving Char, so Char withdraws
>Zeong fight, both machines destroyed
That's not 'mediocre to bad' performance, that's Char being the superior pilot at first while Amuro slowly gets better and better and ultimately over takes him, with the Zeong then giving him a competitive edge
>Man, don't be such a gay homosexual, if I'd pulled that shit with you and acted like you had some unreasonable devotion to the Kampfer you know full well you would've called it out as bullshit
Simping for robutts is more respectable here than the meatbags who pilot them. Dropping the memo in case your forget, Chargay.
>to demonstrate just how much of a beast the NT-1 was
Dude...they already stated the Kampfer was really light on armor and the only thing Chris did to win was hold down the button on a wrist vulcan which isn't even a particularly powerful weapon. Nothing about her performance in the NT-1 was "beast".
The jobber has to take out some mooks first before jobbing. That's what makes the jobber not just another zako
>jobber
>mooks
These are the same thing.
It skiing around the colony killing GMs is probably my favorite bit of action in the series, it also just looks cool.
Sounds more like the GM Sniper II, Kampfer at least got to kick ass during it's screentime.
Sniper ii is the pinnacle of
>showed up once, jobbed
>became a fan favourite
It didn’t even get a unicorn cameo
i feel like Rise from the Ashes is half the reason it got so popular
I don't really get it myself though, I love all the other GM Snipers but II just doesn't do it for me
More like the reason it was in Rise from the Ashes was because it was so popular. You'd always see it popping up as a resin kit (because it wasn't in the old 0080 lineup) or someone's conversion of a GM Command in a model magazine. The Dreamcast game was the first time it got to be a major p.layer. Although that also highlights how the team behind the early Side Story games were trying as hard as possible not to invent a new Gundam like current stuff does.
>major p.layer.
Underrated post
GM Sniper II, GM Command, and GM Custom are like the ultimate 'self-insert' mobile suits - "My OG is not a 'Gundam' pilot at the start of the story, so I just give him a GM Command to distinguish him from the chaffs."
Exactly what's wrong with the Sniper & Custom?
There's nothing wrong with those particular MS, just that they're the best available non-Gundam MS that the Federation has at the point just at or right after the OYW. Therefore it could be said that usually any named characters who are assigned those MS are probably pretty special to begin with.
All the Jims in 0080 job harder than even the 0079 ones but their designs were too cool to ignore so people like to give special status.
>Jobs
Let's not use a word you don't understand the meaning shall we?
idc it looks cool
It had a better K/D ratio than the Alex in its entire service.
>kills a few GMs
>kills a Guncannon MPTs
>kills a GM Sniper II that has the EXAM system
yeah it's a real frickin jobber. wienersucker.
>that has the EXAM system
dude what
Not the first time it's happened, wont be the last.
Hipster mentality.
Underdogs are always more appealing to IRL losers, since they are easier to identify with.
See NGE popularity.
You have to understand the structure of a 30-minute OVA format and the purpose of animation set pieces instead of constantly consuming everything in one singular unlimited piece.
>jobs
>mulches everything in its path and the Alex only survives because the chobam armor let it survive the chain mine
>shows up once
>Jobs after everyone within a 100 mile vicinity becomes storm troopers
>Becomes Reddit's favorite
I still dont understand why they chose norris of all folks to pilot the gouf considering how White raped him to high hell the first fight.
Norris was fighting to kill all the guntanks in a limited time frame while being sandbagged by two cosmetic gundams and the EZ-8
Norris died accomplishing his mission, which is what he set out to do.
They're not cosmetic, that implies they have fake armor and aren't up to specs. They're rushed kludgejobs with substandard parts and real luna titanium armor.
>Looks cool.
>Did cool shit before getting killed.
That's all you need for a fan favorite villain suit.
The shotgun really does it for me
What other MS use shotguns?
Not very many. The G-Line from the 0081 game and manga has a shotgun. The clay bazookas that the AEUG use to disable enemy machines for capturing can fire both pellet rounds and sticky shots, but since the weapon is not shotgun-shaped, maybe it's considered more like a canister round for cannons?
Astaroth Origin
Kabakali
A Zssa in Unicorn uses what's presumably a leftover shotgun from the oyw
>green shotgun
Sazabi (kinda)
Did it ever fire a spread shot in the movie?
Efreet
"Doing the job" is not being a jobber.
Fricking understand wrestling terms before you drool them out of your mouth.
anon, the "job" is to lose to put somebody else over
it is jobbing at its most elementary level
Swing and a miss.
blue is cool.
Other reason to love jobber ms are either in other medium like manga and game, and most important of all, the plastic junk.
>shows up on screen for 2 minutes
>does nothing
>gets pulverized by Dendrobium
>becomes fans’ favorite
People don’t care about specs or kill count only how cool it looks
it's the only metric by which things should be judged
When you look like the cross between a Gouf and the Sazabi its literally impossible to not draw the house
Kampfer just exudes big dick energy
Kampfer is a respected midcard workhorse
>Job job job
Speak English all of you.
good morning sirs
the man the myth the lack of legend
His legend is surviving the UC
>Jobs
Words have really lost all their meaning to you fricktards haven't they?
How new are you? The term jobbing is older than this site.
Kampfer is cooler than every Gundam ever. Misha and the clops team are real ass homies. It’s not complicated. Imma go buy a kampfer pla cuz that shit was so cool Fr.
bussin'
>Finally add him in Evolution after every release was just more Gundams
>Game shutting down
>every release
motherfricker, they put in Mahiroo
fricking Mahiroo
He was already in on release
>Ace Pilot
>Out performs opponents in experimental Mobile Suit
Not in my GUNDAM !!!