When do you think the network started to go downhill?
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Since Cartoon Network feels like it's been on autopilot for years now
When do you think the network started to go downhill?
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The TTG spam, when it stopped making TV-PG toons, when it started pumping out really sanitized SOL shit which started with we bore bears and really kicked in with summer camp island and apple and onion and craig of the creek
Im gonna say 2015 was when it started going down hill since thats when we bare bears started airing and TTG was getting played more but i liked OK KO but the network sabotaged that. I stopped watching CN after SU future ended and whenever i watch it now its solely for gumball reruns when leaving the TV on in the background when drawing or stuff
This plus they fricked over the original shows people did watch by airing them in increasingly erratic and inconsistent schedules with the "bomb format" that dropped 4-5 episodes every other month which killed the momentum of the series that were originally airing consistently every week and made it harder for the average viewer to catch up.
Adventure Time's ratings decline coincided with when they stopped the almost daily airing of episodes to the bomb format.
Youre entirely right, lest we not forget that CN essentially stopped airing AT and SU outside of dumping the premiered on weekends near the ends of their respective runs
AT and regular show had more edge then most 2000s cartoons
>AT and regular show had more edge then most 2000s cartoons
Not so sure, the 00s had Billy and Mandy, Flapjack, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Megas XLR, Samurai Jack, Genndy Star Wars etc
and I'm not even including that 90s shows that were still active like Men in Black and Batman Beyond
Cartoon Network was not the first but yes, switching to a single show dominating their entire week timeslots with other shows only being on for a week or so at best, every three months was a horrible way to maintain a channel. But also by that time Viacom channels had been doing exactly that for years. Nick, Mtv, TVLand etc had switched over to one show all day, and new episodes of some bigger show dumped for a week or two then back to the one show again format around 2007-ish.
For some reason everyone wanted to imitate Netflix binge format for episodes. A whole season of something new done in the span of a couple days, some binge show white noise all day and night.
>For some reason everyone wanted to imitate Netflix binge format for episodes.
They weren't trying to get the Netflix audience, they were conceding to the Netflix audience and accepting their fate as zombie networks. Repeating the same show all day on an automated loop is easier and probably cheaper than programming an actual schedule.
The sad thing is that there could have been a niche for cable if they didn't frick themselves with years of channel drift and redundant programming before Netflix took off. Streaming really isn't a true replacement for classic TV, but it doesn't matter because classic TV ruined itself first.
Summer camp and the bear show are really hard watches, I can't believe the bears got a spinoff.
Blame worst korea and its collective shit taste for that one. I was in a mall last month and there was this chink store that had all this we bore bears merch in it and with no merch for any other CN property. It wad ridiculous
You know what, you're right
Frick South Korea, they ruined Cartoon Network
If south korea didnt make kino like oldboy id almost hazard to say that they deserve to get nuked by lil kim
The few people in south korea with souls are so angry at their situation they create different worlds to pretend for a while that people there are human
Some art is made by talent but the most amazing art is made by necessity or obsession
I think around 2015 and nick and Disney too. It seems cn is trying cool stuff again but still not doing some things right. And cn was cool for pushing the limit not making shows for kids but anyone at least 12 or anyone old enough to understand stuff like around 15 up.
hop off we bare bears, b***h ass Black person.
Nah he’s right. That shit is lame. I will say the pilot is cool though.
We bare bears is boring unfunny ass shit garbage and you have shit taste for enjoying that sub par trash
OK KO was complete horseshit and absolutely no one would have given a shit about it had it not been for the waifus
The Boston bomb scare.
Unironically this, things started to change a lot for the worse when Jim Samples resigned, things have continuously gone from very bad to good to meh to bad and so on since and the TTG spam probably drove away anyone that wasn't 8 years old, I get that cartoons are for kids first and foremost, but the channel has really been literally babified in recent years with the wholesome happy life lessons shows that they've been pushing, the channel lost all of it's edge
>but the channel has really been literally babified in recent years with the wholesome happy life lessons shows that they've been pushing, the channel lost all of it's edge
Absolutely nothing pushes the envelope anymore its all saccharine baby shit like cuck of the creek. All culminating in a literal fricking preschool block infringing on the network when CN should have no such thing
Also Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Regular Show and Gumball really carried the channel through the first half of the 2010's but now that they all ended I feel like the channel is falling into obscurity because they've haven't had any show with the same wide appeal since which is very absurd, why not make stuff that appeals to kids, teens and young adults instead of making so much stuff that almost belongs in a pre school channel, also yeah Cartoonito is a mistake, it's the lazy, cheap way out.
It kind of pisses me off because the channel had so much personality and attitude through the 2000's, it was THE Cartoon Network and they wanted to make that clear back then, you could tell that the channel was ran with a lot of genuinely cool and passionate people proud of the network and what they were making, the 2001 to 2007 era was near perfection.
Cartoonito is an insult to life itself and i agree i dont understand why its so hard for CN to make a new show with a wide appeal anymore. They were supposed to have a new shorts program and a new show that looked like it could be decent called invicble fight girl but i dont know why happened to the two
I had forgotten about that, it looks like it could have potential if it ever comes out, also there's Checkered Past now that I remember, that looks very cool and has some of that classic essence, I don't get why cartoon channels don't do this more, cartoon channels have these huge backlogs of old cartoons never watched by current kids and teens, you never know when an old show can become a huge hit again, Avatar was put on Netflix if I remember and it's success was so massive that the whole series got a whole new studio developing more content based on the show.
>you never know when an old show can become a huge hit again, Avatar was put on Netflix if I remember and it's success was so massive that the whole series got a whole new studio developing more content based on the show.
Star Trek Prodigy didn't really do well on Paramount Plus and was cancelled but when the series was adopted by Netflix, it immediately skyrocketed to being in the top 10 cartoons for kids there.
were there ever any Sheep in the Big City or Mike Lu and Og CN City idents?
I have no idea, I'm from Mexico and from my experience Sheep almost never aired, but I could swear that he at least makes a cameo or two, I don't remember ever seeing the characters from Mike, Lu and Og though, that's probably the most obscure show in the channel's history, I couldn't even remember the name until now, that show never felt like it belonged, , the show's concept and art style is very late 90's early 2000's Nickelodeon
>I get that cartoons are for kids first and foremost, but the channel has really been literally babified in recent years
It was a slow process that started after Flapjack ended, Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball still had a bit of edge however they were considerably safer than the previous generation, but after Gumball not a single CN had any of it. The 90s and 00s were still for teenagers, the 10s was a transition and the 20s is just fully toddler channel with political preaching.
>Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball still had a bit of edge however they were considerably safer than the previous generation, but after Gumball not a single CN had any of it
Really? Those three shows constantly pushed the boundaries of what you'd expect from a CN cartoon, Adventure Time had constant morbid moments then became more experimental and arthouse in the latter half, Regular Show was basically an Adult Swim series for kids, and Gumball had its fair share of raunchy moments then got really meta with its comedy.
I distinctly remember the early 2010s was the era where cartoons became cool and fresh again because it felt like they were actively subverting moral lessons and just wanted to have fun.
>Those three shows constantly pushed the boundaries of what you'd expect from a CN cartoon
What? Courage the Cowardly Dog had an episode about 2 serial killers who wanted to eat Muriel alive and record it, Billy and Mandy had people being murdered in gruesome ways all the time.
Courage was scary I'll grant you that, I don't recall Billy and Mandy that much though, wasn't that more slapsticky?
>Gumball ended
Technically no considering the movie and s7 are still in the works even its in a loophole or hiring stage
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/studio-soi_pipeline-td-activity-7125060370582401024-Sv_7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android
>Regular Show
>considerably safer than the previous generation
I'm really trying my hardest to not discard your opinion. Regular show got heavily sanitized after season 2 or 3, I'll give you that. But on release it was one of the networks most envelope-pushing shows
The show was brutally censored when it came out here, they'd straight up cut out scenes, edit scenes and blur out every butt, I'm not sure if they reverted most of the stuff because there was a lot of outrage when the show finally released and in that condition, Mordecai also sounded like he had brain damage which they changed in later episodes
you now remember naked pops
The funny thing is when CN was getting pitched to investors way back in the early 90s they made a big push to point out that half the people watching aren't kids, so it was important to play things appealing to all age groups
Honestly when they started getting rid of Looney Tunes, the HB back catalog, and licensed shows like Rocky and Bullwinkle is when things first started going downhill.
And that was like 2002 or 2003
Surprisingly they kept Tom and Jerry until around 2015
They did eventually bring back Looney Tunes for a few years right around the time The Looney Tunes Show came out
its amazing to me how much warner seems to dote over the tom and jerry franchise while LT is mostly left to rot
This is the worst looking piece of shit that i've ever seen
When I grew up.
Adventure Time debut
2010, it was the exact same year Chowder and Flapjack ended while Adventure Time started.
Then it just went downhill at 2013 with Teen Titans Go and Steven Universe
Adventure Time destroyed the network because it turned what was the alternative, daring and provoking network into a “randumb xd” safe space network that allowed the AT gang to coup the network creatively to make content like TTG and SU and Craig of the Creek
Regular Show and Looney Tunes Show is how CN was supposed to develop in the 2010s, and AT got them cancelled and their mature humor snipped for gay songs about belonging and crying
You can look back at AT season 1 and its commercials, how insanely unfunny and sterile they are, and get the impending doom this was bringing.
TTG and cotc are a complete departure from the TV-PG shows the early 2010s cartoon network made. Shut the frick up you moron
>TTG and cotc are a complete departure from the TV-PG shows the early 2010s cartoon network made
To shows like Regular Show correct
But as I said they are thematically and domestically very similar to Adventure Time
*comedically don’t know why I typed it like that
>But as I said they are thematically and domestically very similar to Adventure Time
Adventure time had creativity and edge snd pushed the boundaries where as TTG is mindless waffles XD slop made for moronic babies and COTC is sanitized hugbox cancer for coddled man children
>Adventure time had creativity and edge snd pushed the boundaries
Ehhh
I can name only one adult joke in the first three seasons of that show, meanwhile the amount of random humor like Lemongrab and Ice King screeching and Rebecca Sugar tier songs (which even the theme song is) far exceeds that and makes it far closer to Craig of the Creek then Regular Show
Youre A fricking idiot, COTC is more comparable to a literal baby show then it is to AT.
It seems so moronic to me to move tht superman show to AS where itll get less views when it was perfect to revitalize CN
>It seems so moronic to me to move tht superman show to AS where itll get less views when it was perfect to revitalize CN
Superman and Unicorn Warriors Eternal were apparently successful enough there, better because they would have probably been treated like shit on Cartoon Network
>Tree Trunks being horny then seemingly dying at the end of one episode and just leaving it at that until the next season
>Multiple characters actually say "sexy"
>The giant snails making out
>Marceline's closet
>The Lich
Craig of the Creek has none of that grit or raunchy edge, it's more akin to Big City Greens than Adventure Time
the Boston incident was the first major blow to the network but I'd say there were redeemable parts and great highs to the network roughly until the point in Adventure Time's run when Ward abdicated his show to the crew/about halfway through 2nd season of SU (2015~). This was the point where early alumni of both shows were starting to get their own pitches on air and apart from OK-KO (which I still wrestle over whether or not I actually like), pretty much all of it fricking sucks and is inoffensive, boring garbage, and it just keeps flowing downstream. In terms of new programs, I haven't seriously enjoyed a single one as a whole since Over the Garden wall 10 fricking years ago
Craig of the Creek is so vastly offensive to me it's not even funny. You can at least see the cartooning behind Adventure Time or KO, or appreciate what SU's first season is like, but Craig of the Creek feels like it was designed purely by committee, by bitter people coming up with fanfiction of their childhoods instead of people who can actually write a funny story or a relatable situation.
my brain may be a little busted but I swear they still ran CN city bumpers alongside the weird little dude bumpers, it just became less frequent until it completely stopped with the executive changes due to Boston
afaik City bumpers only ran until the Yes! era ended
Probably around 2013. AT is essentially the RE4 of cartoons, where it unintentionally sold the SOVL of almost everything related to CN.
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Gumball was more creative and something that hasn't been done in cartoons compare to regular show at that time even Adventure time
I'd say it started quite a well before Adventure Time with the trend toward toddlerslop-tier programming and a rejection of His (by that I mean Maxwell Atoms of course) message of Hateful Fartism. AT was the best at it though, even managed to rugpull people into thinking it was something more mature with the devastated world and the Lich stuff and other lorebait shit, but nope. They at least tried something new with Floppa and Cake but they of course fricked everythang up in the end, they always do, we're all pretty much numb to it.
Let's go over the facts. Television ratings: downward spiral. Hulu buyrates: plummeted. Mainstream acceptance: non-existent. And reactions of the live social media: complete and utter silence. And I know why they're silent. They're silent because they're embarrassed to be watching cartoons that have the same gravitas as Paw Patrol, and quite honestly I'm embarrassed for them.
Adventure Time hurt the network because it taught the executives that a very cheaply made show in an 11 minute format will still bring in huge ratings. Sometimes more than other 22 minute shows with four times the budget. When it outperformed Kora, the CN suits wanted to just make more 11 minute shows with a tinier budget than anything they have made before.
They brought in the same ad revenue as the much more expensive half hour shows, but the guys at the top got to pocket the difference from the incredibly cheap to make 11 minute stuff.
It doesn't need to do anything but be on autopilot, cable is dead.
When I aged out of adolescence.
Adult Swim is basically the new CN, their recent shows like Unicorn Warriors Eternal and Superman and Lois were originally meant for Cartoon Network but they got moved to AS presumably because they were more action oriented. Some of theor other series like Adventure Time or Infinity Train moved to Max.
Around the time the little action cartoons they still had were dying
Then they killed DC Nation and the only thing that got to live from that was TTG and the rest was history
2004 when they got rid of the Powerhouse Era and replaced the 90s shows with mediocre shows (Camp Lazlo, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Johnny Test etc)
But it was soon followed with chowder and flapjack also I never hated neither of those shows, I wish I remembered them better though, all those shows from 2005 to 2008 are oddly forgettable, also what is up with the rantsona looking pic
the guy you're replying to is an autist that idolizes these shitty e-celebs
Camp Lazlo was pretty good though.
I wouldn’t say it’s CN’s finest because it’s a lot safer than Joe Murray’s previous show but it was quite enjoyable and funny for the most part. The episode with Lumpus and the tree was kino.
That show was complete shit, i don't know what the frick Murray was thinking
no it wasn't
It was, give me reasons on why it isn't shit
Johnny Test while it came out in 2005 didn't even come to Cartoon Network until January 7, 2008. It was only on Kids WB prior to that and by the time it joined Cartoon Network, Chowder had premiered
>powerhouse gay really things this
>2005 cn specifically had a lot of soul left and they still were trying a lot of different strategies and shows
>2006 cn was a steep step down but it’s legacy content that hadn’t ended yet was carrying it
>2007 ignoring the Boston bomb incident was actually still pretty good arguably a step in the right direction from 2006 with its own unique charm but once we got to the fall and especially the second 2008 started things were never the same
you zoomer homosexuals wont say it but winter 2006/early2007. the moment they started doing the white Manikin bumpers, it was over. Then they started doing live action ben 10, then started doing CN Real. The fact they had Ghost Hunters as a show on here was pathetic. The Othersiders is the name.
Speaking on Mexico, what were those ugly things in the US, the ones we had were far cuter and nicer looking https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=C8V6Vk0RWrI
Noods they had literally zero charm because they were ugly as hell also 90% of the time it was exclusively total drama chowder flapjack and the hybreed from Ben ten alien force that were used and the era was short as frick even though it technically lasted into 2010 by the summer or 09 when cn real was starting they stopped using them
I recall ours lasting until like 2012 if not even later than that, we also had an online chat game, it kind of sucked though, you could only use preselected messages if I remember, I also see that they returned recently apparently
since 2007
Checking statistics first things first, it's tragic that all these channels are falling this hard into obscurity thanks to their shows being simply put in streaming services, second thing, it's very sad that things are so bad for Cartoon Network that Nickelodeon, the channel with nothing but Spongebob and Loud House is on top of it
It died 2 times but it seems like they'd rather milk TTG and their 20 year old shows than create new content
Steven Universe hard-carried it for years. I'd say the descent started in 2018 or so when it became really apparent they were no longer interested in making TV-PG cartoons, and then solidified in 2021 when they moved everything to HBO Max and tried to turn it into a Cartoonito channel
I think it'll be on the upswing in 2024 though. They're finally premiering some new action shows, the Cartoon Cartoons shorts should hopefully be coming out, and we'll likely be getting new series greenlights since rumor on the street is they've been developing stuff for teen audiences since Ouweleen took over. Fingers crossed
Why did CN switch from trying to cater to boys to catering to girls
Why did everything switch to catering to girls
One person was placed in charge of all the creative level hiring in the company in early 2015. And she mostly stuck to hiring friends from twitter. Even made up a program specifically to give twitter friends jobs that went nowhere.
When they started making live-action series, it was over. Classic example of network decay.
Like any channel, it's had its up and downs. It's impossible to maintain consistent quality for 30 straight years
why did they make NotOllie's eyes so small
Wow congrats on nick not being too cowardly to show belly
if only they would draw budding breasts to complement it
We Bareback Bears : )
2014-ish is when they started only showing newer or more popular shows just a handfull of times a year without a regular schedule. Regular Show and Adventure Time went from the big afternoon shows to only ever being on when a few new episodes were made, for about a week then back to 3-4 month long hiatus. Steven Universe did the same thing throughout it's run so I really don't know how it maintained popularity when it was only on for like 4 weeks a year.
>Steven Universe did the same thing throughout it's run so I really don't know how it maintained popularity when it was only on for like 4 weeks a year.
Because people wanted to frick the gems
For one, no kids watched it. It had a dedicated social media presence that won award after award which looked really good on the channel portfolio, but it never got great ratings and they dumped episodes a week or two after receiving them. The suits knew it was not great for ratings and had little audience, but it had a huge reputation impact that they wanted to keep alive.
SU was very popular the reason why ratings sucked was because CN dumped it on weekends while simultaneously spamming TTG
All garabge Gumball outshines them sadly in popularity
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When William Hanna died; that was the beginning of the end. When Barbera died a few years later, that was it for the channel. They started airing their failure live action shit not long after. The brand's been a shell on life support since then. Really AS has been the only thing keeping that channel afloat, and that cashcow has run dry.
I remember hearing from execs that kids don't like watching cartoons that look old. That was actually why The Secret Saturdays didn't do well. Kids thought it was a cartoon from the 70s
Though there were exceptions I guess. Tom and Jerry ran during school hours and early morning hours for years. I would say Courage still did well with kids since it has reruns for a while, but I don't think kids thought Courage looked old
>The Secret Saturdays
I didn't watch it myself because I was already watching Ben 10 and it felt very similar to me
That does make me wonder why kids didn't think Courage looked too old back in like 2008 or something
It was never good.
I'm surprised nobody has said 2004
Why 2004?
It’s a common theme that people try to act like 2004 was this big cultural turning point for the 2000s when generally 2008 was a much more extreme version of that and no one talks about it aside from durr housing crash
To me it was 2008 yeah, that's era was so trashy and sex obsessed
You missed out on the channel's peak era, by the time you developed self awareness the channel was already going through it's first decline
Cartoon Network has no cartoons
>The list is even smaller now
Ok here’s cns history of decline
>Downhill spiral started in 2006
>The real fall began around 2008 recovered for a bit and then fell right back down around 2013
>Around 2016 it sinks even lower than noods cn real or anything before
>around April 2020 they just gave up like completely gave up
>Warner discovery merge leads to the network actively being sabotaged further
>Now it’s a network with really only one show left a show that has been infamous with nerds since it’s inception
Once ttg spam started especially around 2016 and 2017 it felt like no one working at cn had any faith or gave any shit about the network and basically the second the lockdown nonsense happened they lost any tiny minuscule piece of motivation left
And I’m not biased either I was born in 03 I don’t remember a good Cartoon Network and I was a hyper autist that was all in on cn as late as 2014
Boston
i really feel bad for people that never got to experience it. Don't ever feel bad if you need to torrent old shit, is there waiting.
Honestly, Cartoon Network died in 2014. I remember that was when the TTG and to a lesser extent Gumball spam began
It started going downhill when Adventure Time started then careened down the hill at max speed and exploded when Steven Universe began.
In the 2010's the only cartoon that is worth watching in that time was Gumball, since it was consistenly good from the rest and has kino animation & visuals
i too am a contrarian with organic opinions fellow gumball fan.
Nice to meet someone who has good taste in this shithole of a board
>this shithole of a board
Eh, frick you too homosexual!
Its the truth just look around this board, its nothing but waifugays, spam threads, and bait threads, plus the people here the worst there are some people that are decent here, but the majority of them are either gays or morons.
That's the fun part, if we didn't have a load of specimens making the worst threads of all time then we wouldn't be Cinemaphile
Well I guess you're right, its funny how many stupid threads gets to be made here, and people seem to post their opinions in those said threads
I don't think it directly went to shit but Cartoon Network has never been able to replicate the consistency of the Powerhouse era after it ended
When AT aired
Frick you ATgays, AT was never good
When Cohen quit
How will they get more kids to start watching cartoons again?
When they nuke Japan again
I think they should start premiering new shows directly onto YouTube since that's where all the kids watch things nowadays
Am I stupid for thinking Teen Titans Go overplay kind of caused Cartoon Network to become a zombie network?
I'm not sure about the causation but it was certainly when CN started to feel like a zombie network imo
Many people complained about the Johnny Test overplay and while there were times it did get pretty bad, other times it wasn't too bad. Ed, Edd n Eddy was still able to air regularly on weekday afternoon during the first few years of the 2010s
at this point I'd prefer the CNreal era
The CN Real era had more variety. Atleast it had a lot of shows, even if CN Real was a disaster