>singlehandedly ruins western animation by providing the template for the quirky upbeat female protagonist that every cartoon will copy for years to come
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I’ll never understand why people hate Mabel so much. Sure she’s pretty selfish but maybe it’s just cos my own sister is a giga b***h that she doesn’t seem too bad to me. She’s adorable and has a great voice, plus dipper isn’t completely blameless
She's become representative of the weaker parts of the show's writing.
Dipper is painted as being in the wrong for wanting to do something with his life not involving her.
"I wanna follow my dreams."
"But what about my dreams."
>One rescue later
"You're right Mabel, it was dumb of me for wanting to follow my dreams. We should keep up this twin shtick until we die."
The show did NOT do a good job of explaining that the Ford apprenticeship would have hurt dipper. What's on screen is him being railroaded to give up something he wanted because of Mabel.
Maybe if Hirsch wasn't too busy pissing in trash cans, he could have thought through the implications of his writing.
The show wasn't willing to let her be wrong and admit that was the case.
Everyone hates her because the author insisted we all love her and ignore her flaws.
It's not just because she's selfish, it's because she is selfish, but not once does the show ever call her out or make her suffer the consequences for being selfish. Meanwhile, Dipper has to time and time again give up his own goals so that mabel can continue her fancy of the week.
When dipper does something selfish, the show browbeats him over it and he learns a lesson. When mabel does something selfish, she's congratulated, celebrated and is allowed to get away with it.
but... the puppet episode...
You mean when she made a sacrifice that turned out to be to her advantage in the end?
>dipper is literally a puppet
>doesn’t cancel the show and continues it because she’s crazy for 31 minutos puppeteer dick.
>literally has to be told he a demon ‘ur fricking selfish lol.’
>the episode ends with ‘you should’ve waited for me so we could crack the laptop together.’
I’ve had a sibling do this before and frick them for it.
On an unrelated note I just realized. Why did bill cipher destroy the laptop? I get it just being to frick with dipper but doesn’t it serve in his interest to let dipper know that the author was lost in multiverse shanagins because by him coming back that allows for the rift to be created.
>muh Dipper learns humility and learns from his mistakes
No he fricking doesn't. For most of the show Dipper's arc is just simping over Wendy and not getting it through his thick skull that she doesn't like him in that way, and it's downright creepy. I have no idea why people pretend Dipper is so much better than Mabel when they both act equally worse for different reasons. None of them really learn.
>None of them really learn
Nice try Dana.
Yeah okay Hirsch.
>not once does the show ever call her out or make her suffer the consequences for being selfish
The Unicorn does, but he is painted in the wrong, in that episode.
Miko from Glitch Techs avoided the Mabel Disease
No she didn't, you only make an exception for her because she's hot
But she's not a selfish c**t
She didn't exist long enough to turn into a Mabel. At least she got one episode where she owned up to a mistake.
Mabel turned into a Mabel within Gravity Fall's first season.
I liked Gravity Falls when it was new and all, but holy shit its one of the least rewatchable shows ever. Outside of the ongoing mystery, Stan, and Soos, it offers so little especially in the writing department. I wonder if I would've still liked it if it wasnt the first kids cartoon with an overarching story with secret codes.
Already then, Guys, who are the truly kino female cartoon protagonists?
Gwen, Raven, Starfire, Violet Parr.
Hilda
Jenny Wakeman
Vi
Star was a breath of fresh air until the final season.
Star's maximum likability was in episode 1 and she just becomes more and more of a c**t from there.
She is the best girl in basically all of Animation history. Come on try to prove me wrong
>Protip: you can't
Actually, all three gals are equally great.
Lake (Infinity Train) and Luz (Owl House)
Helga Pataki
Only correct answer in the entire thread.
Coraline obviously
Little lulu
Twilight Sparkle
Man, Mabel had a bad characterization toward the end of her series. But she is nowhere as annoying or damaging to the industry as any Steven Universe character.
>But she is nowhere as annoying or damaging to the industry as any Steven Universe character.
I beg to differ
anne actually had to take responsibility for her actions, actually that was the point of her arc
Yeah but then they just gave Marcy the Mabel treatment and you guys here only give her a pass because she’s the autist gf you’ll never have
Marcy got impaled and body-snatched as a result of her deception. Plus, she had to come to terms with her family moving in the end; no last-minute resolutions where she gets everything she wants.
Hailey's personality is more closer to Dipper than it is Mabel.
Let's not let this discourse simply devolve into idpol shit and "new = bad"
Owl House is the only one that's even close to being as annoying/damaging.
Luz does the same shit Belos does and tries to live out her fantasy, but when she does it it’s not seen as childish or unrealistic.
you're missing quite a few details like how luz just wants to go on witchy adventures and make friends while belos wants to genocide everyone because he's seething over his brother 400 years after the fact
I’m not missing anything, the point is both are trying to live unhealthy fantasies. She could have made friends at school instead of being an autist and when she was called out for it she ran away. This isn’t behavior that should be enforced let alone championed.
Luz actually realizes her dumb isekai fantasies had consequences near the last leg of the show and tries her hardest to make up for it, ultimately culminating with her almost dying to do so
She gets god powers, defeats the villain and is able to live the fantasy she always wanted that’s not a moral. That’s having your cake and eating it too.
It's not particularly that different from most "other world" stories since Narnia (save for the ability to return whenever). And if you ignore the isekai aspect, then tons of fiction would fall under the same umbrella since they're stories about misfits who, instead of becoming normal, sought out adventure and became enriched for it
Yeah but Luz didn’t seek adventure, she ran away after she was told she needed to straighten herself out. They weren’t telling her to stop being who she was just to get a grip and stop being a sperg. To which again she ran away into a world where her behavior is encouraged, she gets exactly what she wanted, and after she solves all of the problems is able to go back and forth and do exactly what she wanted from the beginning. She doesn’t learn anything, and ends up becoming a hero.
Sure thing Dana.
Frick off Sucrose
>They weren’t telling her to stop being who she was just to get a grip and stop being a sperg
Those were basically the same, her mom in S3 even realizes she fricked up by trying to send Luz to straight camp
>She doesn’t learn anything
She learns that magic isekai adventures are not harmless, that what she really wanted wasn't powers but acceptance and comfort. Neither of these are particularly strong "morals" (compared to something like Amphibia), but TOH is super sparse with character development for everyone except 1-2 dudes
>Those were basically the same, her mom in S3 even realizes she fricked up
It wasn’t straight camp it was don’t be a sperg camp and it was necessary since the shit she was doing wasn’t healthy.
>She learns that magic isekai adventures are not harmless, that what she really wanted wasn't powers but acceptance and comfort
I’m going to give you an example. Let’s say a guy robs a bank and is caught but when he’s on trial he gives a speech about how what he did was wrong and childish and that he’s sorry. And he ends up not getting reduced time for good behavior or something like that but is instead let go and allowed to keep what he stole. Do you think that’s a good thing? Do you think that’s something that should be championed or defended? Of course not. Luz could have gotten all of that shit back home. Having her be allowed to go back and forth only makes her end up having everything acceptance, comfort, support, and be able to live as the witch hero of her dreams. That’s the kind of shit you’d see in a trashy fan-fic about someone’s self interest OC.
Change bank to shop and man to child and you have communities that do exactly that. Albeit priorities are different depending on comforts.
NTA Changing the statement to refute easier lame.
What happens to the kid in that scenario? Do they learn anything like not to steal? No they learn if they say enough kind words and make it look like they learned something that they can get away with anything. That’s not a good lesson.
>Having her be allowed to go back and forth only makes her end up having everything acceptance, comfort, support, and be able to live as the witch hero of her dreams
Even before King's new glyphs kick in, Luz was still resolved to spend time in the BI as a powerless human. Not because of the witch hero fantasy, but because that's where most of the people she loves are, people who's lives were made better because of the intervention of a goblina. If it were about making regular human friends, we would be a completely different show
Pretend we got the frog show ending instead where Luz can't return. What kind of lesson does that impart instead?
Anne was pretty good.
Luz had plot-points about being wracked with guilt.
A recurring thing with Molly is her headstrong optimism meeting a wall.
What about Star, what’s her caveat.
There are surface similarities but saying they're all inspired by Mabel is reaching. We've had characters like her since at least Dexter's Lab
This, Dee Dee was the one who laid the groundwork for quirky energetic cartoon girls, not Mabel.
No matter how bad Mabel was, she'll never be worse than this fricking b***h. I appreciate that.
Chubby cheeks are part of her charm.