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the guy with the little cute bat ears on his head isn't intimidating
nor is his butt chin
bats are very cute tbh. why is batman afraid of them?
Bears are cute too but you can't pay me enough to get in a jacuzzi with one.
bears are 800+ lbs of muscle. the only way a bat is going to harm you is if it's infected with something, but that makes it no more harmful than a chihuahua.
They're just creepy in a way some insect would be, not an actual threat on their own with a few exceptions.
i don't see how, insects are creepy because they're alien looking. bats meanwhiles are furry mammals and half of them legitimately look like puppies with wings.
Bats are more humanoid, yes, but a flying rodent darting at you from a corner of some abandoned building's room is still not a pleasant experience, not to mention the whole vampire association.
bats aren't rodents thoughever plus that applies to basically any animal that isn't a pet you're comfortable with having in the house. I wouldn't be happy about a crow darting at me from the corner of an abandoned building but I wouldn't say I find crows creepy or scary.
Crows are black flying things so naturally they're also associated with a creepier aesthetic than the majority of colorful birds. But they can't really drink your blood without your notice. At best, they'll claw you in the eye or steal something from you.
you can replace crow with pigeon, or seagull. if any of those frickers darted at me from an old abandoned building I'd be unhappy about it.
>they can't really drink your blood
yeah neither can 99% of bats. the blood drinking ones are only in like latin american countries. all the other ones eat bugs and fruit and pollen. batman is in not!new york or something so he certainly never had to worry about vampire bats.
Yeah, but the different element that might make them seem more bizarre is that they're not birds.
In terms of the fear aspect, I can understand why a person would find a bird preferable to be around than a bat.
Then there's cases like Eagles which are a lot more destructive, but the common association with them is freedom, good eyesight, and generally positive shit.
anti bat propaganda needs to end. they are based and will dab on bugs especially annoying moth Black folk.
I actually think moths are quite creepy despite there being numerous examples of them being "cute". I don't know if it's the Mothman association or just the creature's genetic traits but it looks off to me.
moths are more just annoying as frick than creepy imo. frick those light obsessed homosexuals
Because the first thing I do when something darts at me from a dark corner of a room is determine if it's a bird, a rodent, or some other form of flying rodent
I would be startled either way, but if I see something which I assume is a bird loom over me, and instead its some leathery mammal, I might be taken aback.
i'm more comfortable with the mammal tbh because I am a mammal and I don't like things that are different than myself.
I guess that same logic is what makes it more bizarre to me. Especially its wings which look like a mutation compared to my normal digits.
But fear of the unknown and unfamiliar will always make something creepier.
My biggest irk about it would be that I'd be scared to kill the bird but I wouldn't worry as much about the batm, should I accidentally smack it
The shittiest aspect of bats is actually how stealthy they can be. And if you hate getting your blood drawn they're especially annoying. I prefer getting bit by a bullet ant than getting drained.
tbf that only applies to vampire bats though which only really live in mexico and south america. the vast majority of bats don't drink blood
>Bats are more humanoid
That's the creep factor. You're expecting a bird but it's got a sophisticated face and fur instead of feathers. It also stretches its skin to fly.
He's not. That's Nolan nonsense.
Its a dude in a fetish clown costume, off course hes intimidating, thats the stupidest part about capeshit in general, the fact they all wear circus suits
fatman
I don't think so
Well, yeah. He kills like 30 guys in 5 minutes, so . . .
I intimadate for she
Mask makes him look fat. Not to mention he's built like a tank and wouldn't be able to move very much, Batman was always agile. Worst Batman
I dont know about "fat" but youre correct on the rest, bale and pattinson had the best batmen physiques at least with the costumes on even though neither had particularly good costumes. The character shouldnt look like a heavyweight when his whole thing is being a ninja
Batman is a comic character, he needs to big both big and fast.
This
And the batman the most famous worldwild (the one from the 90"s cartoon) is built like a fricking tank
Robin was the twink, and when that batman retired he took a twink in batman beyond
right, but this is inspired by miller bats
miller bats was shit
to me it works just fine, but in tandem with the vanilla batman, and not in spite of it
kind of like how T2 doesn't work without T1, or Tron Legacy without the original
Agreed.
my version of batman is better
my elevator pitch: The Raid but with Batman
also, bruce wayne never makes an appearance throughout the movie
So Dredd but Batman? Sounds based
there will be dream-like horror aspects as well
think "the cell"
as per usual Cinemaphile comes up with better shit than billion dollar studios
It would be too violent. And arguably The Winter Soldier already did that (though TWS is one of marvel's better films, you don't want to be accused of copying them after everything)
But if it was done right, r-rated, set in one location like Arkham, I agree that it would be fricking kino
why would i want to copy the winter soldier
the Raid with Batman is just the sells pitch
the end product would be so much more than the pitch itself
example:
BATMAN: What are those things?
SD: Those are negative entities that feed off your energy whenever you put on the suit.
--
my batman film would be The Raid/ The Cell
badass fight sequences with some added cosmic horror
There was a comic writer, Chuck Dixon, who had a similar idea; Batman raiding a crack den like the Carter from New Jack City, full of criminals and armed gang members who took the building as a stronghold with hostages. Never got the clear from editorial
>my elevator pitch: The Raid but with Batman
>there will be dream-like horror
that's literally Arkham Asylum: ASHOSE, bro (Batman stuck in the nightmarish asylum, needs to fight his way out). that said, i wish they'd do an animated adaptation of it, the imagery in it is fantastic
>my elevator pitch: The Raid but with Batman
im sold
> "What if my children's entertainment but GRITTY and SERIOUS!"
My batman pitch: batman but he's the xenomorph from "Alien," and we only ever see brief flashes of him.
The entire film is from the perspective of a gang that's done some kind of burglary or hijacked a cargo ship full of star labs shit or something, make it intergang, whatever, doesnt matter, but batman is with them on the ship, and one by one they're getting picked off and they have no idea where he is or what he's even doing with the missing gang members.
Everyone goes on about how batman is supposed to strike terror in the hearts of criminals, but no one ever makes him fricking SCARY. Make him a fricking horror monster.
Also, have him do some shit that makes zero fricking sense from an outside perspective, like disappear around a corner into a dead end hallway or (appear to) take wounds that would kill a human. He should almost be supernatural in the eyes of the people he's hunting.
See, this is what SHOULD happen in the Penguin show.
You don't need Pattinson, just get a stunt actor in the Batman costume who shows up very occasionally to make it clear why the criminals all fear him.
The warehouse scene is the best Batman vs Thugs fight in any of the movies and it's not close.
I'm afraid nothing will surpass it for a long time.
Fatfleck wasn't intimidating at all
Lol post a more intimidating live action Batman then. You can't. His frame alone mogs the others to oblivion.
Just because the others weren't intimidating doesn't mean his was. There has never been a good live action Batman. They've all been fricking terrible. Either campy ass goofballs (Keaton, Clooney, West) or cringe edgelords so bad they can't be taken seriously (Bale, Affleck, twink).
needs white eyes
all of them could've benefitted from this actually
It wouldn't have worked with Nolan's realistic approach and Keaton's expressions enhanced the performance but it's true for the rest.
Affleck in particular could've benefitted from this.
I think white eyes should be used sparingly. After seeing The Batman, where Pattinson is in costume for the majority of it, the normal eyes help a lot in conveying emotion.
I suggest white eyes should be activated during action scenes, as these don’t necessarily have to show more nuanced emotions
white eyes (white contact lenses) would actually make sense in masking bruce waynes identity
There is a costume test when Ben has white eyes.
They gave up on it because Charles Roven said it looked too demonic.
He's not wrong.
the excessive muscle padding is the worst thing about the bvs suit
dude has no neck
More the fabric for me, it just looks like duct tape
might have been a necessity to get the neck to move properly since the cowl's always caused problems
makes me wonder if they'll try a cg cowl at some point since it sort of works for deadpool and the capes in the snyder movies were often cg too
>Lol post a more intimidating live action Batman then.
>posts a manlet
It didn't matter in the movie, his aura did the heavy lifting.
But Affleck is definitely more believable when it comes to that choreography.
>Lol post a more intimidating live action Batman then.
Keaton
Bale in Begins
Kevin Porter
This guy works for 20 separate characters. I haven't seen him not nail a cosplay.
Oooh so scary
It is and I'm tired of pretending he's not.
This sequence actually was kind of creepy. There's a few shots like that in BvS, but in ZSJL (and especially the Whedon cut) when he's in broad daylight it looked off.
Batman in daylight doesn't really work. Bale and Matt Reeves seem to know this so they used the color grading to their benefit.
Pic related to me does not work and neither does Batfleck whenever he's in the sun.
Another thing that doesn't work with Batman, and this is just my opinion, but putting him in a movie with the Justice League at all. You take him out of his element.
Imagine Battinson in a brightly colored JL ensemble movie. It would be odd.
The gothic aesthetic is important.
Meanwhile, if you compile only Batman's scenes in BVS and/or JL, it works much better, both in terms of lighting and everything else.
So Snyder had the tough job of taking someone like the Crow and putting him next to a guy with bright spandex.
Agreed. I've never liked the Justice League, and if Batman is in daylight, it better be for a few minutes at least.
He looked goofy at the end of TDKR and in the Josstice Cut.
>and in the Josstice Cut
The entire color grading in that was fricked up. Looked orange or brown. And his style of filmmaking just cheapens characters out, but that's my take.
To be fair those Joss scenes where reshoots. That scene where Batman shaves on the plane is fricking atrocius .
>That scene where Batman shaves on the plane is fricking atrocius .
Which one? I like the one in the Snydercut because the shaving of the beard is meant to be a baptism of sorts and i find that goofy as frick idea funny.
In the Joss version Affleck is fat and has a booze face. He looks like a completly different person.
It's disgusting seeing Zacks costumes in shots not directed by him. There's a reason he has them look a certain way and how he shoots them in different lighting to reinforce his vision.
I agree. The fact of the matter is, Watchmen for example might've looked like ass under a different director.
you know for all the shit Josstice cut got and it was deserved because that movie was awful I still prefer Superman's reintroduction in that movie where he says something about believing in truth and justice rather than Snyder's edgy "heh, not impressed"
>this is his first appearance
What a terrible first impression, no wonder audiences couldn’t take bvs seriously
Just about the only thing the masses liked about BvS was Batfleck.
I still think and will always think he had the most potential, it just never realized itself into a proper solo movie.
Some others like Keaton are also kino but in their own way, while Pattinson tried really hard, but Affleck under the right circumstances is right out of the comic book.
There's a reason Conroy held him in high regard.
some of this shit just doesnt translate to live action
People in my theatre laughed.
I remember that scene in theater, it was too dark, couldn't see shit.
Snyder pajeets be like
>IS THAT A BLOATED BUFF GUY IN THE CORNER OF THE ROOM??? AHHHHHHHHHH THAT'S SO SCARY AND INTIMIDATING!!!!
Reeves zoomers are like
>Is that the twilight twink in a gimp suit, ahh I'm literally losing my mind here!!!
You're right, there hasn't been an intimidating Batman in almost 20 years
>in almost 20 years
You mean never. Who the frick gets intimidated by films outside of women and children?
>sensitive snyder fan must reply to defend fat man's honor
Insecure Reeves shills have been coping hard by calling Affleck fat since day one.
>no you're insecure!
sneederjeet intellect level: critically low
>I said it first, so I'm right
You're an actual moron.
ain't about "firsts" kid
it's about creativity
but you're a snyder fan, so you wouldn't be familiar with that
Looks more freaky than a bloated alcoholic on the ceiling.
It really doesn't. Freaky maybe in the way that it would make someone laugh because he walks like an autist. That twink would not intimidate anyone.
He intimidates me more than Affleck.
He just looks like a kid in a Halloween costume.
No, see
. It is meant to look bad on purpose.
Read what I typed. He looks like a KID in a costume. Beyond that scene as well—it is terribly glaring when he arrives at the first crime scene. He shuffles in like an embarrassing child Gordon brought to the job for the day. He looks so out of place and isn’t intimidating even when the atmosphere and setting as well as the mentioned dialogue involving those thugs you refer to—they’re all trying like hell to convince otherwise but it just doesn’t work.
It’s an abject failure at capturing anything menacing about the character.
That guy was on your side you fricking mongoloid.
I didn't think he looked like a kid, he gave off a mysterious vibe, stepping in and out of shadows, or "I am the shadows" like his dialogue entailed, but it was more like a phantom than something which immediately communicates "I'll bring the pain" like Affleck does.
Affleck was more like a Heel wrestler whereas Pattinson was like some weird stalker who's looking for danger, but both can work.
I loved how he moved in the crime scenes. Just expositing observations when needed but silently seeing things for his own collection.
He really gave off a weird and eerie vibe. Perfect Batman acting.
>I loved how he moved in the crime scenes
I liked that too, as well as the overall vibe they were going for, but I have a soft spot for the Crow and this reminded me of it.
It's not my ideal Batman but there's been a lot of interpretations and this is closer to what I prefer.
I agree, my ideal Batman is closer to Keaton but with Pattinson's colors and more comic accuracy.
The Crow is great though, thanks for reminding me about it.
I do like Keaton's interpretation too, he was the most nuts while also managing to larp as calm and collected when needed, and the gothic aesthetic acted in his favor.
But I view all of these as Elseworld versions, more or less, they're distinguishable from the source material. Whereas Affleck gave me BTAS vibes in a few places and I view him as closer to the canon.
Bale's "Wallstreet Batman" also had his moments, especially in the first movie. It's the Schumacher shit I didn't care for.
That's a fair interpretation.
I think Affleck would've been great earlier in life and with a different director.
I like the vast majority of the interpretations but I don't think there's a single I consider "perfect" in the way I envision a live action BTAS for a more mature audience.
Maybe Arkham Batman, but that's vidya.
The films have different pros and cons. Some aspects of the highly stylized Keaton approach are good, while other aspects of the more hyper-realistic Nolan are also a benefit. The Batman is somewhere in between the two, but they're all distinct.
Burton has the look I want, Nolan had the writing I want, Snyder had the action I want, and Reeves had the performances I want.
At least that's how I see it.
But Reeves' writing and visuals aren't bad, so I agree that it's probably the closest to what I want in total in terms of Batman.
That's how I look at it too. There's pros and cons to all.
the only thing I don't like about reeves is bulletproof batman. i don't want to see batman just effortlessly wading through a sea of bullets like he's superman shot purely by henchmen too moronic to shoot at his mouth. it's dumb as frick
I guess I would mind it if he never got hurt or it never broke.
I'm kind of used to Batman surviving crazy things, so bullets bouncing off him don't bother me.
But I can understand people not liking it.
I'm fine with a bulletproof Batman in the context of a Justice League movie but that's about it.
I agree that the armor was a bit overdone, whereas the gliding might have been underdone. I get that it's a Year 1 or 2 Batman but I'd rather not watch him nearly kill himself falling from such a height.
Is it really jeets? I've only ever seen one white person shill for Synder's fatman.
just compare those first appearances
>Affleck awkwardly in the corner looking like the Grinch and becoming a cgi blob when escaping the police officer
>Pattinson slowly moving out of the shadows, his loud footsteps getting the criminials attention, right before beating the shit ouf of them
The Batman is better than bvs in nearly every way
True, based, and unfathomably kino.
Snyder fans reply if seething.
pleb taste
You forgot the part where the criminals all laugh the minute Pattinson show up and they all make fun of him for looking like a goofy homosexual.
You forgot the part where it's Halloween and they think he's dressed in a Halloween costume, just like the script says, before becoming scared and literally running away from him.
They're pretty similar, all things considered. This is a pointless debate since it's not exactly Clooney vs Bale.
Why did this Batman seem like he had special powers? He does some unexplainable things in this movie
Because its capeshit anon
Not special powers, just better tech.
It's scooby doo scary and that's why he's the best
He kind of looks cute to be honest. He looks like he's wearing a cute little bear costume.
yes sir I watch the flash man for he. Snyder is best
>a Batman denied his kino because wb are fricking morons
Will never forgive Hamada and Johns for this tbh
is there a place we can send hate mail to?
i love pattinson and keaton.
rest can frick off.
idk why they try to make him so gruff and grimderp
he's supposed to be a richgay and a HERO not some mma moron.
>idk why they try to make him so gruff and grimderp
because it's batman
Batfleck unironically has the most kino suit.
The oversized bat-ears on other suits look ridiculous.
I like it but they should've went with the white eyes.
People's main critique of Snyder is that he went too far but actually he didn't go far enough in some instances.
And in others, like Superman, he tried to approach it more like it was a Batman movie, which also wasn't the best take.
>The oversized bat-ears on other suits look ridiculous.
In 2D it can accentuate the vampire aesthetic but in live action I don't imagine it working very well.
The point of the ears is to pick up on the surroundings, radio stations and other shit like that. There's no practical reason for them to be super long.
they're blades or sometimes projectiles, every part of the suit has some small purpose
>alfred where's the closest Wendys?
>3.53 kilometers away from your current parked location of the Batmobile, sir
>WE USE MILES IN AMERICA ALFRED TAKE THAT LIMEY ENGLISH LUNACY BACK TO EUROPE AND GET ME SOME FRENCH FRIES WHILE YOU'RE AT IT
>Sir, might I remind you that french fries are from europe?
Christian Bale has a British accent and this bothers me
I love this place.
You do realize brit uses, and invented, miles you uncultured american ?
I like that unlike the others, he actually looks like some kind of hellbeast.
Keaton had moments like that too. Bale had a drug induced nightmare sequence where he was literally a man-bat, and Pattison in the opening was depicted as something criminals fear to an almost irrational level.
But I agree that they leaned more into it with Affleck. Unfortunately it's uneven, and in 1 scene you have him lurk in the shadows while the next one he's patting some cop like they were high school buddies.
Batman works best in his own world and Affleck should've directed a solo movie to truly bring out his take on it.
The lighting and staging for Keaton is a masterclass in how to make a Batmanlet look intimidating.
he did produce the best live action batman fight
Yeah, they tried this with Keaton in the Flash but it didn't jibe that well. He seemed superhuman whereas in this scene he comes across as a really strong regular human.
why can't they just make a good batman cowl?
same
Why was the death of Batman's mom filmed in such a sexy way?
The death of Bruce's mom... Was the birth of Batman!
Snyder has the autistic need for everything to be stylish, to the point of being laughable
I agree with this but at the end of the day, it's based on an already stylized comic, and honestly, it's the best interpretation of his parents death despite the melodrama.
If you go and rewatch Nolan's interpretation, it seems rather dry and uneventful. Burton's take on the other hand was creepier but not as emotionally impactful.
i actually like Nolan's version. it's so quick and brutal that you don't even have time to really comprehend what just happened it. It puts you on Bruce's shoes and feel his shock and fear.
My issues with Nolan's movies are that they're rather cold and clinical, not unlike Kubrick, but the latter is a more talented filmmaker so he gets away with it.
But TDK is still the best Batman theatre experience I recall having.
It may seem average now, but most people don't realize how much it raised the bar. Prior to Nolan we only had one specific Burton themed cinema expression of Batman, and Nolan's take was fresh at the time.
I agree, Nolan's movies can be pretty cold and clinical. i still really like them despite this.
everybody memes Talia's death and her acting in that scene, but there's a video of the actress explaining what happened and she sounds really sad about it
Nolan just seems really out of touch in general (all the complaints about his sound design, for example)
>Nolan just seems really out of touch in general
From what I've gathered over the years, the dude is pretty much stuck inside his head and has a very specific vision for his films that channel a lot of his own personal favorites. It's very evident the more you watch his stuff, but I don't hate it per se. I know what I'm getting myself into with a Nolan film, and if I didn't have a tolerance for it, I simply wouldn't see it.
Burton is like that too, but he's become a bit more flexible in later years. I'm still interested in what his Superman movie would've been like.
someone once pointed out to me that nobody in nolan films ever just talks with another character to have a conversation with them for the sake of it rather than advancing the plot/giving exposition and now I can't ever see his films the same way
everyone is making dramatic speeches all the time
it sounds cool and quotable, but it makes for some really unnatural dialogue
Yeah, I picked up on that a few years ago. Like I said, they're clinical and businesslike, but on the other hand, when they do manage to have some emotional effect, it can be quite gripping because this means it worked in spite of the dialogue.
I feel like if I was shot in front of my son I'd do what Nolan's Thomas Wayne did, and speak to my son as my dying word.
I wouldn't be focused on my wife.
He's the best Batman, but they fricked up the neck part of the cowl which makes him look funny. Shame because the rest of the costume is unbeatable.
Bvs was a shitshow, but when bruce dragged supes body to beat the shit out of him with a toilet it was both scary and awesome.
nah
Why is he wearing a cheap Halloween mask?
He couldn't find his hockey gear
The only reason why anyone dislikes Batfleck, is because they dislike the actor himself and can’t separate the two. It’s trendy to hate Ben Affleck even though he’s been in plenty of movies where his acting is great and him as Batman was one of my favorites but he was bogged down by shitty movies. It’s a shame people don’t like Batfleck more and that he didn’t get his own movie
i like batfleck, but i think it was moronic to do young superman/old batman at the same time
batflec was kino as frick. im still holding out for JL2.
>im still holding out for JL2.
Anon... it's over...
Our best bet is to wait 5 years for Gunn to fail and a new regime to come in and work with Snyder to adapt the rest of his story as a comic/cartoon
>as a comic/cartoon
Frick that shit.
It's not ideal but it's literally all we'll get since they'll never be able to reassemble the actors and some are getting too old anyway.
The upside is that after his story is revealed in whatever form, by then it should be possible to use ai to make a live-action fan recreation
No. Live action or nothing.
I have no idea why you think this is a debate.
It won't happen. I can't change that. You can't change that.
If you want to say that you won't watch it unless it's live-action, fair play. You do you. Personally, I'm curious enough that I'll take any breadcrumbs I can get
Then i'd rather have nothing but WB complete destruction.
this reminds me of that scene from suicide squad when he jumped will smith in front of his kid in an alley. Like that would be something Batman would actually do to a child and their parent in a fricking alleyway after what he went through.
Too bad the actor underneath is a clown so I can't get scared at all
>caring about the actor himself instead of how he plays the character
Cringe
>those ears
>I am Catman