>this guy had a fantastic week
But just two days later, a Rebel pilot guided by the force blew up the Death Star, both proving Vader right and killing this guy.
>Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort
Both these things were true. Vader got BTFO and responded by doing a force choke.
Religion is dependant on faith and by proving the literal truth of Vader's religion he rendered faith in it obsolete and in doing so, invalidated the entire religion.
QED
What? Vader's entire point was that the Death Star's power should not be overestimated and that the Force can destroy it with ease. Luke then used the Force to destroy it with ease. Are you moronic?
the laser blast did most of the work in my opinion. a computer could have done it. that one guy just brought everyone's faith in computers down. Family Guy got it right.
Well clearly the fault lies with the designer who made an air vent on a spaceship which goes all the way down to the center and can be reached from the outside for some weird reason.
They were always canon. The exhaust port was ray shielded which is why they had to use Proton Torpedoes.
Dark Forces 3: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast just respected the existing lore of the setting.
He’s the Emperor’s right-hand man, so he’s as high up in the Empire as can be. He was just stationed on the Death Star by the Emperor to oversee its operation, but Tarkin was the one in charge of the Death Star.
Pretend Star Wars (1977) is the only film. Is this actually explained?
I know there's a contemporary interview where he's referred to as the 'Dark Lord of the Sith', but there are also story treatments and scripts with everything from a (separate) Annikin Starkiller to midi-chlorians.
Sequels yeah sure he's a big deal, also Luke and Leia's dad.
He’s the Emperor’s right-hand man, so he’s as high up in the Empire as can be. He was just stationed on the Death Star by the Emperor to oversee its operation, but Tarkin was the one in charge of the Death Star.
Modern audiences are so dumb they need a scene where Vader and Tarkin first meet and Tarkin says >”I know what you are, Vader. I know *who* you are… The Emperor has stationed you here to oversee the operation, and that’s to be expected, but while you’re here you do things my way.”
It’s the only way a current Cinemaphileedditor can understand movies.
Do you need a scene where Han and Jabba explain the entirety of their history together? Do you need a scene where Old Ben explains how the law works on Tatooine and why he’s able to just chop some guys arm off with no repercussions? Do you need a scene where Han explains what he meant by 12 parsecs? Etc etc etc.
Some things can be inferred if they’re not pertinent to the plot.
>Do you need a scene where Han and Jabba explain the entirety of their history together?
Jabba isn't in the original cut. Even in the newer editions they CGI in a slug. If he was always meant to be a slug, why is the actor in a costume?
>Do you need a scene where Old Ben explains how the law works on Tatooine and why he’s able to just chop some guys arm off with no repercussions?
Yes. It's a pretty lawless bar, but are the Stormtroopers the local police force? He does quite directly describe the town as a "hive of scum and villainy". Why can't we just be SHOWN that, anon? Some kind of seedy bar scene?
>Do you need a scene where Han explains what he meant by 12 parsecs?
No, he's just bragging and that's the point. Doesn't even matter if it's true.
Vader only took orders from Tarkin when they were both on the Death Star and that was only because the Emperor insisted the Death Star was Tarkin's jurisdiction. >No point in giving your apprentice supreme power that he might use against you when you can just give it to the best and most loyal officer available.
>Sheev travels to his hideout as a ghost, inhabits a cloned body >returns to the Empire, probably at the precise moment when Vader was intending to proclaim himself emperor >very good, my apprentice, but you still have much to learn
Tarkin is my favorite villain but every time i hear him say 'this bickering is pointless' it takes him down a notch. >come the frick on george >the definition of bickering is to argue over pointless details
No.
He embodied Imperial hubris and arrogance. He, like Piett and others, like stabbed so many people climbing the ranks in the academy and navy, that his ambition saw no ends right up into coveting the right hand man position Vader had with Tarkin. He spent so many years tucked away inside immense star destroyers that he likely never once saw battle. He dismissed the threat of the rebellion by thinking they were simply dogs nipping at Tagge's heels while he was secure inside his guarded and armed house, right up into thinking they were nothing more than a patchwork of antique Y and X-Wings as opposed to the credible military threat they were swiftly becoming. Motti talked a lot of shit to not only Tagge, but lots of condescension to his fellow higher ranking officers. He's a trigger happy military type whose dick got hard at demonstrating the Death Star's power and he got resentful of people who disagreed with him. In the radio drama, he even dropped hints into Tarkin's ears about challenging the authority of the Emperor himself by taking over the station, to which Tarkin dismissed. He later submitted a sharply worded incident report criticizing what he characterized as Vader's attempt at religious proselytization, further stressing his confidence and his pride in the battle station. Vader had seen his type before and him choking that smug smarmy frick in the most public way possible was a reminder to not just him, but to everyone on board, that an insult directed towards him was an insult to the Emperor himself and his presence on the station was to remind everyone whom they ultimately serve.
>spend your entire life moving up the ranks in the Imperial bureaucracy >some dickless homosexual in a cape shows up out of nowhere and because he’s sheev palpatine’s latest rent boy thinks he can boss you around
nah vader btfo
Vader was a proven military leader having been on the frontlines of a war spanning three years while Motti was dicking aorund in bridge simulators. And Vader literally walked in on him talking shit to Tagge basically telling him that the Imperial fleet was weak compared to the Death Star and chastized his logical miltary strategy about hunting the rebels down instead of pouring countless amounts of money and resources into one large target that was more than anything a vanity project of the Emperor's. Tagge ultimately ended up being vindicated by going back to his starfleet and being other than Vader, the only high up officer to survive the meeting.
And besides, Motti wanted to assert dominance over the Emperor by dropping hints into Tarkin's ear and Vader's presence on the station would ensure that such machinations would never be made within earshot.
He likely knew about Vader's powers and just thought a Death Star laser leveling a planet was more impressive than choking someone out or vaguely predicting the not so distant future. I wouldn't be surprised if those high ranked military guys were really smug about the Death Star and were plotting to eventually backstab the emperor and Vader.
That's why Palpatine chose Tarkin. Palpatine even sent Dooku to test Tarkin's loyalty during the Clone Wars and Tarkin didn't budge.
That was the moment Palpatine began his interest in Tarkin's career. He was a true soldier who's loyalty was to maintaining order through superior firepower. >also a result of Tarkin's eccentric upbringing on Eriadu which Palpatine also knew about
The position of Grand Moff was even made up specifically for Tarkin at the same moment he was given command of the Death Star. It was a quiet ceremony with only the Emperor, Vader and Tarkin. Tarkin also made a quip about how he's not sure the the Death Star is the ultimate power, while staring directly at Vader.
That's why Palpatine chose Tarkin. Palpatine even sent Dooku to test Tarkin's loyalty during the Clone Wars and Tarkin didn't budge.
That was the moment Palpatine began his interest in Tarkin's career. He was a true soldier who's loyalty was to maintaining order through superior firepower. >also a result of Tarkin's eccentric upbringing on Eriadu which Palpatine also knew about
The position of Grand Moff was even made up specifically for Tarkin at the same moment he was given command of the Death Star. It was a quiet ceremony with only the Emperor, Vader and Tarkin. Tarkin also made a quip about how he's not sure the the Death Star is the ultimate power, while staring directly at Vader.
Great fricking book. Same guy who wrote Darth Plagueis.
>his guy is 100% unquestionably and unmistakeably 1000% moronic
only 20 years before that when Admiral Motti was still a Coruscant chicken farmer the Jedi made up a portion of government, handled galactic negotiations, trade disputes and were the generals of the army he now commands. even israeli slave mechanics in backwaters new of their powers
every one of those ranking imperials should have some anti-force gear on them that's literally everywhere. mandalorian anti-choke shield you homosexual b***h vader.
You're making the same mistake as those playing fantasy RPGs who believe that magic resistance can save them from wizards. A wizard can always just throw the equivalent of a shipping container at you. Or tear the floor below you apart. You can't magic-proof everything in existence.
For Spielberg's WotW, I asked an internet forum why, if the Martian tripods had force fields protecting them, the army did not simply aim down and open inconvenient surprise craters? And they were all angry at me.
>the army did not simply aim down and open inconvenient surprise craters
I mean that one's obvious, they're walkers with very flexible legs. They can self-correct pretty easily. The actual way to defeat them, given their force shields seem to be velocity based, is to get some fairly slow drones with a grenade strapped to them to fly up into their collection baskets
>i don't wanna hear anything about your thousand year old bullshit space religion!
>*gets choked out using said religion*
>STILL can't conjure the stolen data tapes
see
using other people's data without permission is THEFT, end of.
being right doesnt always matter, that is the point of the scene. might makes right
you can apply this as a metaphor to AI.
but did Darth Vader listen to him? because that's what no one did.
Vader responded by getting mad.
You just know when the shock wore off, this guy had a fantastic week.
>this guy had a fantastic week
But just two days later, a Rebel pilot guided by the force blew up the Death Star, both proving Vader right and killing this guy.
Well luckily it turns out the religion was real and not a mere superstition, AND it has an afterlife.
Dying by surprise (rather than a slow, painful illness or something) and then discovering there actually ARE ghosts is 100% the best possible outcome.
>you mad, vader? you look mad, bro
He got strangled by psychic powers granted by the religion he was just mocking
How could he possibly be correct, the religion is provably true
could be a different religion
Buddhists meditate and Christians stole it (mystics)
>Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort
Both these things were true. Vader got BTFO and responded by doing a force choke.
Religion is dependant on faith and by proving the literal truth of Vader's religion he rendered faith in it obsolete and in doing so, invalidated the entire religion.
QED
So frick off, nerd.
What? Vader's entire point was that the Death Star's power should not be overestimated and that the Force can destroy it with ease. Luke then used the Force to destroy it with ease. Are you moronic?
the laser blast did most of the work in my opinion. a computer could have done it. that one guy just brought everyone's faith in computers down. Family Guy got it right.
Well clearly the fault lies with the designer who made an air vent on a spaceship which goes all the way down to the center and can be reached from the outside for some weird reason.
Could've just fixed the issue in a hour with a trip to the space Home Depot
should've made the space vent out of laser-reflecting mirrors.
(they're in Jedi Outcast, they're canon)
They were always canon. The exhaust port was ray shielded which is why they had to use Proton Torpedoes.
Dark Forces 3: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast just respected the existing lore of the setting.
whatever the reason might be, the force reigns supreme you dummies
imagine an era were the writings of Geore Lucas are ripe for serious critique
He's right because Darth Vader's powers aren't derived from his religion, his religion is derived from the source of his powers.
careful not to choke on your aspirations
>This guy is 100% chuck and unmistakeably 1000% sneed.
Fixed
>Vader, release him.
>As you wish.
So did Peter Cushing actually have command over Vader or something? Leia wasn't just being snarky?
I know the script had a bunch of drafts, but in the theatrical script/cut is he just meant to be some grunt who also has magic powers?
He’s the Emperor’s right-hand man, so he’s as high up in the Empire as can be. He was just stationed on the Death Star by the Emperor to oversee its operation, but Tarkin was the one in charge of the Death Star.
Pretend Star Wars (1977) is the only film. Is this actually explained?
I know there's a contemporary interview where he's referred to as the 'Dark Lord of the Sith', but there are also story treatments and scripts with everything from a (separate) Annikin Starkiller to midi-chlorians.
Sequels yeah sure he's a big deal, also Luke and Leia's dad.
In the movie he's clearly subservient to Tarkin but also outside the normal chain of command. Tarkin took charge of getting information out of Leia.
The President asked some super badass special forces guy to go check out some generals ship and help out a bit.
Modern audiences are so dumb they need a scene where Vader and Tarkin first meet and Tarkin says
>”I know what you are, Vader. I know *who* you are… The Emperor has stationed you here to oversee the operation, and that’s to be expected, but while you’re here you do things my way.”
It’s the only way a current Cinemaphileedditor can understand movies.
In this very scene they explain that the senate has been dissolved and local governors will have direct control over their respective star systems.
Imagine if that was 'left implied'. Nobody would be talking about Star Wars today.
Do you need a scene where Han and Jabba explain the entirety of their history together? Do you need a scene where Old Ben explains how the law works on Tatooine and why he’s able to just chop some guys arm off with no repercussions? Do you need a scene where Han explains what he meant by 12 parsecs? Etc etc etc.
Some things can be inferred if they’re not pertinent to the plot.
>Do you need a scene where Han and Jabba explain the entirety of their history together?
Jabba isn't in the original cut. Even in the newer editions they CGI in a slug. If he was always meant to be a slug, why is the actor in a costume?
>Do you need a scene where Old Ben explains how the law works on Tatooine and why he’s able to just chop some guys arm off with no repercussions?
Yes. It's a pretty lawless bar, but are the Stormtroopers the local police force? He does quite directly describe the town as a "hive of scum and villainy". Why can't we just be SHOWN that, anon? Some kind of seedy bar scene?
>Do you need a scene where Han explains what he meant by 12 parsecs?
No, he's just bragging and that's the point. Doesn't even matter if it's true.
Vader only took orders from Tarkin when they were both on the Death Star and that was only because the Emperor insisted the Death Star was Tarkin's jurisdiction.
>No point in giving your apprentice supreme power that he might use against you when you can just give it to the best and most loyal officer available.
>Give Vader control of the Death Star
>As per Sith tradition Vader commands it to blow up the planet Palps is on
>Vader is emperor now
yeah but he is to cucked out and needs sheeves robotics to even survive
>Sheev travels to his hideout as a ghost, inhabits a cloned body
>returns to the Empire, probably at the precise moment when Vader was intending to proclaim himself emperor
>very good, my apprentice, but you still have much to learn
Tarkin is my favorite villain but every time i hear him say 'this bickering is pointless' it takes him down a notch.
>come the frick on george
>the definition of bickering is to argue over pointless details
Taken as a film in isolation and not the first entry in a vast multimedia franchise, yes, absolutely. He's Tarkin's samurai.
I recommend watching the first film with this frame of mind, btw, it's very satisfying and feels complete.
he was a moronic fedora tipper who was instantly humiliated and dabbed on. and vader was right, he was way too wienery about the death stars power
No.
He embodied Imperial hubris and arrogance. He, like Piett and others, like stabbed so many people climbing the ranks in the academy and navy, that his ambition saw no ends right up into coveting the right hand man position Vader had with Tarkin. He spent so many years tucked away inside immense star destroyers that he likely never once saw battle. He dismissed the threat of the rebellion by thinking they were simply dogs nipping at Tagge's heels while he was secure inside his guarded and armed house, right up into thinking they were nothing more than a patchwork of antique Y and X-Wings as opposed to the credible military threat they were swiftly becoming. Motti talked a lot of shit to not only Tagge, but lots of condescension to his fellow higher ranking officers. He's a trigger happy military type whose dick got hard at demonstrating the Death Star's power and he got resentful of people who disagreed with him. In the radio drama, he even dropped hints into Tarkin's ears about challenging the authority of the Emperor himself by taking over the station, to which Tarkin dismissed. He later submitted a sharply worded incident report criticizing what he characterized as Vader's attempt at religious proselytization, further stressing his confidence and his pride in the battle station. Vader had seen his type before and him choking that smug smarmy frick in the most public way possible was a reminder to not just him, but to everyone on board, that an insult directed towards him was an insult to the Emperor himself and his presence on the station was to remind everyone whom they ultimately serve.
Motti had it coming.
>spend your entire life moving up the ranks in the Imperial bureaucracy
>some dickless homosexual in a cape shows up out of nowhere and because he’s sheev palpatine’s latest rent boy thinks he can boss you around
nah vader btfo
Vader was a proven military leader having been on the frontlines of a war spanning three years while Motti was dicking aorund in bridge simulators. And Vader literally walked in on him talking shit to Tagge basically telling him that the Imperial fleet was weak compared to the Death Star and chastized his logical miltary strategy about hunting the rebels down instead of pouring countless amounts of money and resources into one large target that was more than anything a vanity project of the Emperor's. Tagge ultimately ended up being vindicated by going back to his starfleet and being other than Vader, the only high up officer to survive the meeting.
And besides, Motti wanted to assert dominance over the Emperor by dropping hints into Tarkin's ear and Vader's presence on the station would ensure that such machinations would never be made within earshot.
He was right. But he couldn't have predicted space jesus would get a perfect shot on the exhaust vent.
5 star post
>antique Y and X-Wings
Weren't the X-Wings supposed to be really advanced, though?
He likely knew about Vader's powers and just thought a Death Star laser leveling a planet was more impressive than choking someone out or vaguely predicting the not so distant future. I wouldn't be surprised if those high ranked military guys were really smug about the Death Star and were plotting to eventually backstab the emperor and Vader.
That's why Palpatine chose Tarkin. Palpatine even sent Dooku to test Tarkin's loyalty during the Clone Wars and Tarkin didn't budge.
That was the moment Palpatine began his interest in Tarkin's career. He was a true soldier who's loyalty was to maintaining order through superior firepower.
>also a result of Tarkin's eccentric upbringing on Eriadu which Palpatine also knew about
The position of Grand Moff was even made up specifically for Tarkin at the same moment he was given command of the Death Star. It was a quiet ceremony with only the Emperor, Vader and Tarkin. Tarkin also made a quip about how he's not sure the the Death Star is the ultimate power, while staring directly at Vader.
Great fricking book. Same guy who wrote Darth Plagueis.
remote-controlled choke collar in the guy's uniform. classic prank. space equivalent of a whoopee cushion.
That's our Ani.
>his guy is 100% unquestionably and unmistakeably 1000% moronic
only 20 years before that when Admiral Motti was still a Coruscant chicken farmer the Jedi made up a portion of government, handled galactic negotiations, trade disputes and were the generals of the army he now commands. even israeli slave mechanics in backwaters new of their powers
Yes, he's right, even in dubbed versions in other languages.
every one of those ranking imperials should have some anti-force gear on them that's literally everywhere. mandalorian anti-choke shield you homosexual b***h vader.
You're making the same mistake as those playing fantasy RPGs who believe that magic resistance can save them from wizards. A wizard can always just throw the equivalent of a shipping container at you. Or tear the floor below you apart. You can't magic-proof everything in existence.
For Spielberg's WotW, I asked an internet forum why, if the Martian tripods had force fields protecting them, the army did not simply aim down and open inconvenient surprise craters? And they were all angry at me.
Those Tripod aliens were very dextrous, I doubt some craters or holes would stop them.
>the army did not simply aim down and open inconvenient surprise craters
I mean that one's obvious, they're walkers with very flexible legs. They can self-correct pretty easily.
The actual way to defeat them, given their force shields seem to be velocity based, is to get some fairly slow drones with a grenade strapped to them to fly up into their collection baskets
>my reaction when stumbling on a gay-ass Star Wars thread
Hey, guys. Who shot first, amirite?
>ancient religion
>was the power behind the government 19 years ago