Yes obviously. prostitute/horse. The idea is that they're both more or less innocent victims of people like Ralphie who only sees the world in dollars and cents, and he doesn't care about those that he tramples upon. Tony killed him for both Tracee and the horse. If just one happened he could have lived.
Sounds like a cop out. You can say that about any badly written show with inconsistent characters >they're just flawed/hypocritical!!! it's NOT bad writing!!!!!!
I've seen the show over a dozen times over the years and can admit its flaws without taking away its merits. Whereas you seem to be taking offense at any criticism of the show, which is irrational. >give me an example of the bad writing.
I look past stuff like new characters appearing out of nowhere with deep rooted histories since it's understandable they didn't write the whole show before producing it. But there are many examples of bad writing, like retcons and continuity errors.
The ages of characters are inconsistent. Tony's birth date changes from 1959 to 1960. Junior is too old to have been the older brother as Johnny boy's headstone says 1924 and Junior is already 70 in S1 (2000). AJ is a freshman in S1 (2000) yet 20 years old in the year 2007.
There's other sudden retcons like Livia's house being sold in S1 (major point of conflict) yet only starting to go on the market in S2. The real boss of the family being in jail, yet Junior later becoming the de jure boss without the former one ever being mentioned.
There's also things like the egregious open murders that never lead to any consequences. Plus a couple of wholly shitty episodes like A Hit is a Hit.
You know the best Craig T Nelson role?
It’s the one where he plays the exact same character as himself, Craig T Nelson, every fricking time and in every fricking movie and show
Of course he did, idiot. Listen to the passion and anger in his voice when he yells "SO WHAT, IT WAS A FRICKIN HORSE" and starts going on about how much it was costing them.
He also could’ve just been mad that Tony was so obsessed over Pie o my when his son was in the hospital feeling disrespected, whether or not he did kill the horse.
I can't remember where I saw it but from apparently when interrogated innocent people are more likely to become aggressive when confronted about a crime whereas guilty people are more likely to become defensive.
>his son was in the hospital feeling disrespected,
And that gives him a pass? I don't care if he's got a hundred kids in the ICU with arrows in their heads, he's a piece of shit, you know it, I know it
All but confirmed by the dialogue that he did, but Pantoliano acted the scene as if he didn't, which leads to the perfect amount of ambiguity about the situation.
It's ambiguous within the show but his denial is reminiscent of his denial of the ginny sac joke, do I can see where the other anon who isn't a homosexual, like you. Is coming from.
He does, on the phone with Johnny Sac before apologizing for it despite being coached not to. That, and the Christopher Miami comment reminded me of a very similar scenario that occurred for me IRL >coaching a guy the whole way over to a meeting to not say one thing >he eventually agrees to not say that thing >walk in the door >the precise thing he agreed not to say are the very first words out of his mouth, before the door even closes
Oh right, my bad. I was thinking of when he says to the other guys, "you never made a joke about Ginny Sac?" and they're all like 'no way.'
Though that does show a distinction. He's not at all apologetic about the horse and barely sorry and he becomes not only indignant at the accusation he's involved, he becomes angry.
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You're a moronic homosexual, so shut the frick up about it.
>reminiscent
How so?
Ralph was planning to apologize to Johnny right from the get-go before Tony talked him not to do so but he ends up doing it anyway while with the horse Ralph denies the whole thing while calling out Toneh's hypocrisy.
watch the scene again dumbass. tony walks in with a puss on and immediatly starts poking ralph. who then get's annoyed by tony's behavior and starts poking back.
It's clearly left open to interpretation. For what it's worth I don't see him as having done it. Not that he wouldn't if it had occurred to him, he just genuinely didn't do it which is part of why he's so frustrated at being badgered by Tony about it when he has actual problems.
I thought he owned the horse and got the insurance money for it dying. He needed the money for his braindead son. Tony was just weird by bonding with it like it was his own.
>needs money for his son's treatment >healthcare costs being expensive and mobsters not necessarily having work-sponsored health insurance is also mentioned (when Tony and Phil are arguing in the hardware store over the vitamin truck and no-show jobs) >shows a complete lack of empathy/sympathy for his entire screentime (beats a pregnant woman to death, laughs at toenail clippings hitting Janice in the face, "make sure that midget isn't shy with the whip" about the horse in particular) >brings up the horse losing races and money, as well as how much money he's always brought in through their illegitimate means when accused
It's not ambiguous at all. If you think his anger is because he's actually innocent, it's easily explained by the stress of your only son becoming disabled for the rest of his life, and your mob boss being more concerned over a horse than your son. There's so many signs pointing to him killing Pie-oh-My, I wonder if you guys believe anything happens in these shows that's not on screen.
>make sure that midget isn't shy with the whip" about the horse in particular) >brings up the horse losing races and money, as well as how much money he's always brought in through their illegitimate means when accused
I am pretty sure that's because both tony and ralph are SUPOSSED to treat pie o my as if it were part of business
Number one . She was a fricking hoah
Number two . She hit me
NUmber three it was fricking horse
What are you a vegetarian?
you eat beef and sausage by carload
>he was a pussy about everything.
Thats one of the big points of the show. The reason he is so obsessed with history and all that old shit. The glory days of the Mafia were dead, and he was stuck with the shitty ending. He tries to emulate the big dicks of the past but he doesn't have it in him. He can convince everyone around him he's the real deal but he's a fraud
Didn't matter Tony was gonna kill him anyway cause he hates seeing people try to better themselves cause it means he also has that potential instead of blaming everything on his mudda
Why don't you go frick your mudda?
>I did not kill that whorse
Yes obviously. prostitute/horse. The idea is that they're both more or less innocent victims of people like Ralphie who only sees the world in dollars and cents, and he doesn't care about those that he tramples upon. Tony killed him for both Tracee and the horse. If just one happened he could have lived.
Why did Tony feel indignant about protecting innocent people from others yet killed many himself?
Because he was the biggest hypocrite of all time. Congratulations, I spelled out one of the main points of the show for you.
Sounds like a cop out. You can say that about any badly written show with inconsistent characters
>they're just flawed/hypocritical!!! it's NOT bad writing!!!!!!
The Sopranos is the best written show of all time. Can you name a better one? Better yet, give me an example of the bad writing.
I've seen the show over a dozen times over the years and can admit its flaws without taking away its merits. Whereas you seem to be taking offense at any criticism of the show, which is irrational.
>give me an example of the bad writing.
I look past stuff like new characters appearing out of nowhere with deep rooted histories since it's understandable they didn't write the whole show before producing it. But there are many examples of bad writing, like retcons and continuity errors.
The ages of characters are inconsistent. Tony's birth date changes from 1959 to 1960. Junior is too old to have been the older brother as Johnny boy's headstone says 1924 and Junior is already 70 in S1 (2000). AJ is a freshman in S1 (2000) yet 20 years old in the year 2007.
There's other sudden retcons like Livia's house being sold in S1 (major point of conflict) yet only starting to go on the market in S2. The real boss of the family being in jail, yet Junior later becoming the de jure boss without the former one ever being mentioned.
There's also things like the egregious open murders that never lead to any consequences. Plus a couple of wholly shitty episodes like A Hit is a Hit.
It was a hooaarse!
He got killed the in the fricking ass, am i right?
Who cares? Sopranos is a badly written show for morons
Craig why you hating on everything...what media is it that you like?
>namegay thinks anyone respects his opinion
My estimation of Craig T. Nelson as a man just frickin plummeted
I have to agree with anon here. To post like a redditor? It's a fricking disgrace.
I saw you post some other cringey shit late last night. Will never check the archive but it was some gay shit then also
You know the best Craig T Nelson role?
It’s the one where he plays the exact same character as himself, Craig T Nelson, every fricking time and in every fricking movie and show
Of course he did, idiot. Listen to the passion and anger in his voice when he yells "SO WHAT, IT WAS A FRICKIN HORSE" and starts going on about how much it was costing them.
He also could’ve just been mad that Tony was so obsessed over Pie o my when his son was in the hospital feeling disrespected, whether or not he did kill the horse.
I can't remember where I saw it but from apparently when interrogated innocent people are more likely to become aggressive when confronted about a crime whereas guilty people are more likely to become defensive.
>his son was in the hospital feeling disrespected,
And that gives him a pass? I don't care if he's got a hundred kids in the ICU with arrows in their heads, he's a piece of shit, you know it, I know it
This. He didnt do it and him claiming 'it was just a horse so what' is not indicative of his guilt rather that his son is more important.
All but confirmed by the dialogue that he did, but Pantoliano acted the scene as if he didn't, which leads to the perfect amount of ambiguity about the situation.
That's what makes it such a good show.
Same way with Vito being gay
>Same way with Vito being gay
It was the blood pressure meds
>All but confirmed by the dialogue that he did,
No it isn't.
It's ambiguous within the show but his denial is reminiscent of his denial of the ginny sac joke, do I can see where the other anon who isn't a homosexual, like you. Is coming from.
He never denies the ginny sac joke.
You're a fricking moron
He didn't. Show me when he did.
His call to Johnny Sac moron
He does, on the phone with Johnny Sac before apologizing for it despite being coached not to. That, and the Christopher Miami comment reminded me of a very similar scenario that occurred for me IRL
>coaching a guy the whole way over to a meeting to not say one thing
>he eventually agrees to not say that thing
>walk in the door
>the precise thing he agreed not to say are the very first words out of his mouth, before the door even closes
Oh right, my bad. I was thinking of when he says to the other guys, "you never made a joke about Ginny Sac?" and they're all like 'no way.'
Though that does show a distinction. He's not at all apologetic about the horse and barely sorry and he becomes not only indignant at the accusation he's involved, he becomes angry.
You're a moronic homosexual, so shut the frick up about it.
I accept your concession.
I accept your sisters c**t.
OOOOH!
>the precise thing he agreed not to say are the very first words out of his mouth, before the door even closes
What was the thing?
I'm not at liberty to say.
I can't tell you, but I can tell you they're hurtful, and they're destructive
AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED….
>reminiscent
How so?
Ralph was planning to apologize to Johnny right from the get-go before Tony talked him not to do so but he ends up doing it anyway while with the horse Ralph denies the whole thing while calling out Toneh's hypocrisy.
watch the scene again dumbass. tony walks in with a puss on and immediatly starts poking ralph. who then get's annoyed by tony's behavior and starts poking back.
It's clearly left open to interpretation. For what it's worth I don't see him as having done it. Not that he wouldn't if it had occurred to him, he just genuinely didn't do it which is part of why he's so frustrated at being badgered by Tony about it when he has actual problems.
He had sex with the horse and had to kill the horse so it wouldn't tell anyone he had sex with it
>Jesus Christ you did it.. You creamed into that horse alive.
I think it’s possible either way, but just based on the performance I don’t think it feels like Ralph did. At least to me.
So if it's ambiguous, what makes for the better story angle? I think Ralph not killing the horse makes more of an impact.
It wasn't really about the horse anyway, it was about the hooers.
Nah it was Paulie, he was way too mad at Ralphie in that episode while the guy was way too busy mourning his son and keeping his earning stable.
Eeh, a little bit of both. That and Tony somewhat hated Ralph from the beggining despite both being supossedly friends since at least high school
I thought he owned the horse and got the insurance money for it dying. He needed the money for his braindead son. Tony was just weird by bonding with it like it was his own.
A: she was a horse.
>needs money for his son's treatment
>healthcare costs being expensive and mobsters not necessarily having work-sponsored health insurance is also mentioned (when Tony and Phil are arguing in the hardware store over the vitamin truck and no-show jobs)
>shows a complete lack of empathy/sympathy for his entire screentime (beats a pregnant woman to death, laughs at toenail clippings hitting Janice in the face, "make sure that midget isn't shy with the whip" about the horse in particular)
>brings up the horse losing races and money, as well as how much money he's always brought in through their illegitimate means when accused
It's not ambiguous at all. If you think his anger is because he's actually innocent, it's easily explained by the stress of your only son becoming disabled for the rest of his life, and your mob boss being more concerned over a horse than your son. There's so many signs pointing to him killing Pie-oh-My, I wonder if you guys believe anything happens in these shows that's not on screen.
It is ambiguous
None of these are proofs that he did it
You suck at prosecuting
>make sure that midget isn't shy with the whip" about the horse in particular)
>brings up the horse losing races and money, as well as how much money he's always brought in through their illegitimate means when accused
I am pretty sure that's because both tony and ralph are SUPOSSED to treat pie o my as if it were part of business
In the script, he was told to play it like he did not kill the horse. So I'll let you figure it out....
It was Paulie.
100% it was fricking Paulie as retribution for the prank call
Number one . She was a fricking hoah
Number two . She hit me
NUmber three it was fricking horse
What are you a vegetarian?
you eat beef and sausage by carload
Idk but why was Tony such a pussy about it? Well, to think of it he was a pussy about everything.
>he was a pussy about everything.
Thats one of the big points of the show. The reason he is so obsessed with history and all that old shit. The glory days of the Mafia were dead, and he was stuck with the shitty ending. He tries to emulate the big dicks of the past but he doesn't have it in him. He can convince everyone around him he's the real deal but he's a fraud
Tony was unironically pretty onions, filtered if you think otherwise
It was a bad horse. Always with the colic. I'm glad it's dead.
>prostitute
>Ho
>Ho-rse
Yes he did
david chase said it was paulie in an interview, although he was doing that thing where he was really saying who gives a frick and just picked paulie.
As evidenced by the sopranos movie, David chase is a fricking moron who doesn't know anything
what was he thinking? silvio is pretty much a parody of himself
TMSON was actually 100% his work whereas The Sopranos had a team of rotating writers/producers/directors doing most of the work.
>somebody said X after the fact
Instantly shitcanned.
He could probably get a letter from his doctor.
> A. She was a horse
> B. She bit me
>I was eating a lot of oats at the time … fricking Miami, they’re everywhere down there
> and it wasn't my foal she was carrying
The Sopranos is truly the GOAT. Nearly every line of dialogue is memorable.
IT'S MY FAULT SHE'S A KLUTZ?
It doesn't matter whether he killed the horse or not. That scene was about Tony projecting his anger at him for killing the whoar.
Personally I don't think he did it.
Didn't matter Tony was gonna kill him anyway cause he hates seeing people try to better themselves cause it means he also has that potential instead of blaming everything on his mudda
He did not kill the horse. And so what if he did?
did you GUYS KNOW that the same actor that played Carmine Sr was the real life driver that green book depicts? CRAZY RIGHT
Yes. He was pissed that Tony was seeing his ex