Currently Hazbin Hotel for being new
Helluva Boss reputation kinda fell down
But likely Hazbin Hotel is gonna end up like Helluva Boss is going
Abandoning good premise and interesting ideas for the sake of angst-shipping
tbh Hazbin doesn't seem all that interested in shipping. Yeah you've got 3 main canon ships in Chaggie, Huskerdust and Cherisnake but none of them get the prominence even the MnMs get in Helluva.
Granted part of that is probably just the episode count of S1 meant they had to go all in on the plot.
The main plot of Hazbin is literally Adam x Lute and the tragic separation of Adam x Eve. Since Eve is the main villain and Adam somehow screws her over in season 1 by dying.
>Hazbin Hotel has better characters,
Eh not really. I at least find Millie and Moxxie more charming than any relationship in Hazbin, and Blitzo can be funny sometimes, with help from Brandon's voice acting ability. Plus yeah Loona is good. And yeah the Stolitz thing sucks I know but I think it's more tolerable than that whole storyline with Angel dust and his boss. And Chaggie is just shit. Overall the characters in Helluva are more watchable, even though the plot isn't great.
Hazbin is much better. The reason Hazbin Hotel is better is because it has better main characters and more intriguing antagonists. Lets check it out...
Charlie and Vaggie - Equally shit.
Angel Dust - Shit.
Nifty - Unfunny shit.
Husk - Good sympathetic character who acts as a bar informant.
Pentious - Silly likable goofball who achieved salvation.
Alastor - Mysterious character but good future antagonist.
Adam & Lute - Great villains with a nice dynamic.
Other interesting things - The other overlords and their diplomatic relationships.
Now compare that with Helluva Boss...
Blitzo - Could have been amusing but his disgusting homosexual soap opera makes up the majority of his characterization so he's unpleasant to look at.
Millie - Annoying shitty character who only exits to be the Minnie Mouse to Moxxie's Mickey Mouse.
Moxxie - Horrible annoying beta loser lame character and I hate his annoying voice. I'm well aware it's the same man as Invader Zim and I always hated the annoying voices this man is famous for. I can't stand his voice for being grating. And I hate his entire doormat personality.
Loona - Terribly unlikable c**t who the writing team tries to insist that she's got issues she's working on but they always return to writing her as an unlikable hostile c**t who is lucky the other characters tolerate her violent personality.
Other characters like Stolas are shit. And the villains? What villains does Helluva Boss have? Stella is a terrible one given how one note she is. I've seen better villains in things like Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy over this. Helluva Boss is terrible show and if Loona didn't exist as a canine anthro NO ONE would speak about this show.
Hotel Hazbin has this competition won. But that's not saying much either and I expect Viv to ruin Hotel Hazbin eventually. She did after all write that no one in Heaven knows how mortal souls get into Heaven.
>Charlie >Shit
Genuinely the first time I've seen anyone say that, even Cinemaphile had come around to her
Loona stands strong despite over a chronological year since her last speaking role. She'll be doing fine.
3 months ago
Anonymous
As a fellow Loonachad I'm really worried they're just going make her a full blown shy sad bean uwu with a tragic backstory like everyone instead of the aggressive, degenerate goth b***h she started out as
3 months ago
Anonymous
she already has a tragic backstory, if you are ignorant of it it just means you don't know shit about the show.
3 months ago
Anonymous
She should be both, a hardass with secret vulnerability she only has around you
I want to say Hazbin, but I don't know what metrics are comparable at this point. I wasn't tracking the views on Helluva videos so I couldn't say which had higher viewership for their first season. I don't even know how to measure that for Prime, but just the singalongs get 12-16M views. The Addict music video has like 2.5 times as many views of any episode of Helluva in less time. Helluva has a headstart but I think Hazbin will quickly overtake it.
And don't forget the fact that Hazbin pilot has way more views than the Helluva one. To be honest, I lowkey believe HB's popularity was heavily carried by Loona.
Fr. The only reason she is mostly ok with the Sinners killing eachother is because they respawn as long as the weapon is not angelic (was that changed?). She absolutely hates people getting actually permakilled, which is why she is so against the extermination. If she finds out some hellspawn Gremlins are sending mortals to an early grave for simple apathetic profit she might go sicko mode again
Never say never but there's legal shit they'd have to work out to make it happen.
Helluva Boss has Loona
Hazbin Hotel has better characters, slightly better writing, an engaging plot (instead of flashback drama) and more songs
that's an easy answer from me
You'd be surprised on the songs thing, on average definitely Hazbin has more songs since it's got 2 every episode but the episodes of Helluva that have the MOST songs tend to ether have more or longer songs than Hazbin.
Like House of Asmodeus is like 5 and a half minutes of a song sequence, and the Mammon Special had I think like 5 songs in one episode.
If this post was written by Vivziepop: what the frick do you fricking mean, fricking all of the fricking drama, you fricking dick? Frick frick frick penis boobies frick.
Stuff like the fandom generally being toxic. Apparently someone in the fandom was bullied to suicide. I haven't read into it. But the fandom is generally unpleasant and that's going to have a negative effect on Hazbin Hotel's reputation.
this fandom is particularly nuts, it has attracted a lot of people who sympathize with the characters because they themselves had similar issues.
For example I really like Valentino.
It's a series where the premise is less about actual self-improvement and redemption, and more how sinners are hella cute and cool, and being good and righteous just means you are really hiding the super evil shit. I'd be genuinely surprised if it DIDN'T have a toxic fanbase. Every edgelord and fedora with a internet connection will be filling their rooms with bootleg memorabilia.
Are you saying Adam and co aren't evil fricks hiding behind a pretence of being the good guys? A paper thin one for Adam especially.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, I'm saying the actual good and righteous characters (i.e. Charlie and Emily) aren't hiding evil.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but they are the 'misunderstood devils/sinners' and not the (supposed) 'good guys'/Lawful Good characters. Charlie and co are the ones the edgelords and emo girls are supposed to relate to. I think you misunderstood what I was going for. In fact, you are kind of proving my point, because that's exactly what I mean.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, I understood what you meant, I just recognized that you don't have fundamental media literacy so I questioned you for further clarification in order to correct you.
also Emily is literally an angel.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>implying
Kek. Sorry, I didn't realise you were one of the edgelords/fedoras. My mistake. But please, feel free to get saltier and keep making my point for me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Adam and Lute are literally on Emily’s side, except they are older and secretive about the plans. Otherwise, Sera will lock up Adam in Heaven since the task he has to do is to literally get himself killed by sinners.
It’s wild stuff.
>Say the show is just okay >There are people at the ready to call you a moron and demand you think it's the perfection laid by the golden goose Vivzie herself and won't let up until you agree >There are people at the ready to call it a dumpster fire and call you a shill for even daring not to agree it's a mound of shit.
You can't win with either spectrum of the fandom.
>read the Google doc >there's supposedly like 3-4 different people in the discord screenshots and they all talk in the exact same way
I'm no detective but I'm leaning towards doubt.jpg
i don't get it, if some b***h off's herself over a medical issue, and she just happens to spend some of her freetime shitposting about the show before doing so,...
I really don't see how the show or fandom has any responsibility for it, people need to take responsibility for there own shit.
>everybody only cares about Adam and Lute now
If that was actually their intention then they HORRIBLY failed
3 months ago
Anonymous
it clearly isn't, Emily and the Vs are object proof Heaven isn't evil and Hell isn't good, and there's a big epic musical turnabout about the rules being shades of grey
3 months ago
Anonymous
>everybody only cares about Adam and Lute now
Man some of you homies really need to leave your bubble on Cinemaphile sometimes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>everybody only cares about Adam and Lute now
lol no they don't
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Adam/Lute/Lilith question/cliffhanger seems like the thing people care about the most. It helps they were popular characters too
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lilith yes. Adam and Lute not really.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've seen a lot of people more interested in what happens to Lute next than the rest of the cast.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Adam and Lute not really.
There were a fair number of Lute questions submitted for the last q&a stream.
Helluva Boss. The vivzie ad that just dropped on YT has Loona and is peawienering HB hard. HH is in the background. They know they fricked up, and TADC is going to take off much better than HH was expected to.
Serious question, do they never plan to have these two shows interact or connect in any way?
I'm not saying "make a crossover episode" but at least maybe put some characters from each show in the background of the other so the connected universe actually feels connected. Like maybe just show that some events in Hazbin took place at the same time as Helluva.
They theoretically could eventually if they worked out some kind of deal but yeah, it's tough.
I also don't realy see a reason for the main cast of the two shows TO Interact. If there was one group of characters from HB I feel really should appear in HH it's the Sins, (or Viseversa, with Lucifer appearing in HB alongside the Sins). I do really want to see Lucifer and his Circus troop all together at some point.
How would being Angel's straight friend look like?
He'd obviously try to first hit on you but after that initial hurdle how would it be?
It it be possible to do non-gay guy stuff with him?
>It it be possible to do non-gay guy stuff with him?
You compromise. He wants to frick you? He has to go jack off into a tissue. Eat some gabagool together and stuff like that, buy some pizza, it doesn't nobody.
Adam adopts Loona insted of Blitzo by breaking into the Hellhound Pound on Extermination Day to get a "free" dog because he just felt like it.
How would being Angel's straight friend look like?
He'd obviously try to first hit on you but after that initial hurdle how would it be?
It it be possible to do non-gay guy stuff with him?
I literally cannot believe a straight man could feel compassion for a gay guy
Hazbin is much better. The reason Hazbin Hotel is better is because it has better main characters and more intriguing antagonists. Lets check it out...
Charlie and Vaggie - Equally shit.
Angel Dust - Shit.
Nifty - Unfunny shit.
Husk - Good sympathetic character who acts as a bar informant.
Pentious - Silly likable goofball who achieved salvation.
Alastor - Mysterious character but good future antagonist.
Adam & Lute - Great villains with a nice dynamic.
Other interesting things - The other overlords and their diplomatic relationships.
Now compare that with Helluva Boss...
Blitzo - Could have been amusing but his disgusting homosexual soap opera makes up the majority of his characterization so he's unpleasant to look at.
Millie - Annoying shitty character who only exits to be the Minnie Mouse to Moxxie's Mickey Mouse.
Moxxie - Horrible annoying beta loser lame character and I hate his annoying voice. I'm well aware it's the same man as Invader Zim and I always hated the annoying voices this man is famous for. I can't stand his voice for being grating. And I hate his entire doormat personality.
Loona - Terribly unlikable c**t who the writing team tries to insist that she's got issues she's working on but they always return to writing her as an unlikable hostile c**t who is lucky the other characters tolerate her violent personality.
Other characters like Stolas are shit. And the villains? What villains does Helluva Boss have? Stella is a terrible one given how one note she is. I've seen better villains in things like Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy over this. Helluva Boss is terrible show and if Loona didn't exist as a canine anthro NO ONE would speak about this show.
Hotel Hazbin has this competition won. But that's not saying much either and I expect Viv to ruin Hotel Hazbin eventually. She did after all write that no one in Heaven knows how mortal souls get into Heaven.
>Moxxie - Horrible annoying beta loser lame character and I hate his annoying voice. I'm well aware it's the same man as Invader Zim and I always hated the annoying voices this man is famous for. I can't stand his voice for being grating. And I hate his entire doormat personality.
The invader zim voice is really one thing I can't get over, abd personally stops me from enjoying the character as his own.
In rhe merch you can see their clearly trying to put Moxxie as a femboy. Unfortunately they keep pushing it more and more in the show. First was the pegging. He stopped making out with his wife like he use to. Second was the whole Chaz episode ehich the plot was moronic.
The episode logic itself doesn't work Moxxie is already married with a wife.
Damnit, internet is out and isn't expected to come back up unti tomorrow. Picture's finished, but upload might be a little late. Can't upload anything from my computer. Sorry guys.
https://e621.net/posts/4597980
Here, my internet was out for like 7 hours today, so now that I have it back I'm just posting the art slightly early before it could potentially go out again. Happy valentine's day!
https://e621.net/posts/4597980
Here, my internet was out for like 7 hours today, so now that I have it back I'm just posting the art slightly early before it could potentially go out again. Happy valentine's day!
Why do they keep going and making Sallie May's dick BIGGER
That character is seriously just going to be a walking penis after a few more merchandise waves
Me and a friend were just talking about that. Like, it's genuinely fricking blatant. I'm all for it, but it's super weird to compare the older merch to the current stuff.
Seriously, the playmat design It looks like he shoved his entire fist in his undies
What is the point? I swear originally it was kind of "Haha, you can see a peepee bulge in his girl underwear", not "BARELY RELEVANT BACKWARD CHARACTER, WIELDER OF TROON EXCALIBER"
Also, now Moxxie has a huge ass
>Chocolate chip
You know, canonically a chocolate chip cookie almost killed her. I'm too tired to dig through my folders, but there's a voxtagram post of her eating one and getting really sick
I remember that. She either got one as a side thing to coffee, or she found one on the ground and the convo was like "what did I eat a cookie off the ground? Frick you, that's why."
if you find it please post! I would like it a lot anon
3 months ago
Anonymous
part 1
3 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
And part 2
There's something so real and sad about Stolas constantly replying. Like back in the day when you used Facebook to talk to friends, but then your aunt made a Facebook and added you. Suddenly you start really monitoring your post with the idea she'll see it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
what kind of cookie are they?
3 months ago
Anonymous
part 1
And part 2
3 months ago
Anonymous
actually, just remembered there's a finale
3 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
And part 2
part 1
until it retcon headcannon is moxxie left the cookie he is the only one we know who likes to cook/bake
I'm not complaining at all, it's just super weird when her bulge was noticeable but much less blatant in the older merch. Like you could tell something was there but not a goddamn hog straining out of her panties.
This thing is a PLAYMAT, meaning you're supposed to use it for a trading card game like Yugioh or Magic. Can you IMAGINE the giga-autist that shows up to the comic book shop and rolls out a cartoon demon chick with a wiener almost as big as "her" head
3 months ago
Anonymous
God is there anymore of a red flag than hellhva boss merch. Really question wearing fap fuel in public.
There's not even a hint of irony like goth girl with hello kitty back pack.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Playmat? I thought that's something you give babies to crawl around on.
HB is carried hard by Loona, who is barely a character and ridiculously overrated. I don't need to ask why. I know why. I just think everyone is insane.
HB is carried by Brandon Rogers, and HH is carried by expectations for HB. Essentially this whole shit is dependent upon Cornbread's biggest collaborator. Loona and Sally are just icing on the cake that is Bradon's cocoa colored ass.
>Loona and Sally are just icing on the cake
Loona is at least a character in the show. Albiet pushed in the back and hasn't said a single word all season 2.
I'm not complaining at all, it's just super weird when her bulge was noticeable but much less blatant in the older merch. Like you could tell something was there but not a goddamn hog straining out of her panties.
I can only assume whoever's doing most of the designs for the merch desperately wants to get their back blown out by Sallie Mae's mega demon dong.
So is the logiv if people keep buying Sallie May merch, they'll put the character back in the show?
Moxxie canonically gets pegged so he at least switches.
but in the context of the show, Adam is the first human to get into Heaven. So either a) Cain and Abel just don't exist (which would be weird since they leaned pretty hard on Adam being the father of all humanity), b) Cain didn't kill Abel and he died after Adam (which, why change the story like that) or c) Abel, the first human to die, went to Hell. There's an interesting story to be told there with how the requirements to actually get into Heaven aren't clear and/or don't make sense.
Not that Anon but all of the humans used to be in purgatory until the crucifixion per the Christian Bible, so it would be possible for Adam to have been the first one in line to enter Heaven from Purgatory after their sins were forgiven.
That is of course if they're doing a Christian interpretation. Lilith is from Judaism, so who knows.
Season two fricking ruined him. I've never seen a cartoon character get so emasculated and gaygified so fast. He went from wimpy but good hearted married man who is a stark contrast to most of Hell to being anal prostitute who loves getting his butthole tickled by rubber and fish dicks.
RIP Pilot/Early Season 1 Moxxie, you were to straight for the Vivz
They say in the show that Adam is the first human soul to go to Heaven, which would imply Abel is in Hell. That's really fricked up, considering Abel did nothing wrong.
Unless maybe simply, the creators don't even know Abel exists.
I think it's more likely that Vivziepop knows nothing on Cain or Abel, given their not once ever brought up or hinted at, and also looking at St. Peter gives us a pretty good indicator that Vivzie knows nothing about their history.
Anon, you know how insane the pacing is and Abel isn’t appropriate to even bring up in season 1 at all. Like maybe he’s that Zestial guy because of his weird genealogy outcomes or some other dude.
Plus, Adam is concerned with all sinners, so centering it on Cain and Abel is legit stupid, especially when we know that the newer humans are far worse than them.
S1 of Hazbin Hotel felt less like a proper S1 and more like a hypothetical S1, S2 and S3 "Best Of" Compilation of some episodes from those respective seasons.
Technically, Bible doesn't really say if he goes to heaven or hell either, his circumstances are pretty unique
All that's said is that God tells Cain that "the voice of your brother's blood cries from the ground" (Genesis 4:10) when Able was killed.
but in the context of the show, Adam is the first human to get into Heaven. So either a) Cain and Abel just don't exist (which would be weird since they leaned pretty hard on Adam being the father of all humanity), b) Cain didn't kill Abel and he died after Adam (which, why change the story like that) or c) Abel, the first human to die, went to Hell. There's an interesting story to be told there with how the requirements to actually get into Heaven aren't clear and/or don't make sense.
Adam literally didn’t eat the Apple that gets you possessed by literal pure evil, so shut up.
You Cain and Abel homosexuals are always cancerous as the Michael homosexuals with your irrelevant shoved-in fanon garbage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you.
Seriously, they listen to the line that Adam was the first one who went to heaven, and they didn’t think “wow, that must’ve suck. But does that mean there is something special about Adam that didn’t send him to Hell? How unique is this Adam compared to the one from the Bible?” Instead, it’s “oh muh fricking Abel!”
What kind of counterargument is that?
3 months ago
Anonymous
okay why do you keep repeating this meme that Adam did not eat the fruit? It's making me feel schizo >Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
it's his deranged headcanon that he insists is 100% true and accurate
3 months ago
Anonymous
okay why do you keep repeating this meme that Adam did not eat the fruit? It's making me feel schizo >Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
He means in the show, it's stated that Lucifer gave the apple to Eve, but never directly states it was given to Adam. It does kind of explain why he went to Heaven and neither of his sons did, they were descendants of Eve, who ate the apple.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. That’s basically the big twist of the series that probably gets revealed in season 2 or 3.
The Roo plot twist pretty much says, if Adam ate the apple, he would also be possessed by Roo. So I had to automatically disqualify Adam by default thanks to the leak.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>other humans (i.e. also descendants of Eve) get into Heaven (relatively) fine >for some reason Cain and Abel specifically are irreparably tainted because of Eve
If Adam didn't eat the Apple, there is no reason why he would be cast out of the Garden or even die in the first place.
but this is all assuming the show at least vaguely follows the Bible for the stuff we aren't told directly
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If Adam didn't eat the Apple, there is no reason why he would be cast out of the Garden or even die in the first place.
Exactly, so he came with the banished Eve on his own terms. Simply because he loved her.
3 months ago
Anonymous
but God wouldn't have cursed him and his descendants to die in the first place if he didn't eat the apple
3 months ago
Anonymous
Is God even in the universe in this show? Like, is Sera actually getting orders from the big guy himself or something?
3 months ago
Anonymous
St. Peter implies Jesus which implies God, but there's no direct evidence for His existence beyond that.
But there's SOMETHING beyond the Seraphs/Elder Angels' knowledge/control that brought Pentious up to Heaven not Adam, don't respond to me Adamschizo
3 months ago
Anonymous
You know it was Adam’s death that got God to forgive sinners for their sins. Everything else would be absolutely aimless.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I SAID don't respond to me, Adamschizo
3 months ago
Anonymous
It’s literally the only possible answer since Lute knew that sinners were being redeemed before Sir Pentious appeared in heaven.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s literally the only possible answer since Lute knew that sinners were being redeemed before Sir Pentious appeared in heaven.
Source?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Literally the final scene of the show. Lute was implying that Lilith needs to go to hell to prevent the sinners from redeeming themselves, or else they leave the punishment that Lilith deserves, Hell, and Lilith is forced to come back there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
how do you know Lute wasn't referring to Hell finally coming up with a way to kill angels rather than sinners redeeming themselves?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The only way for you to stay up (heaven) is for you to come down (hell).
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Adam makes a deal with Lilith for her to come up to Heaven in exchange for some sort of favor/not doing something to aid Hell >Adam dies, deal's off >Lute goes to Lilith to make a new deal, stop your daughter or you don't get to stay in Heaven
3 months ago
Anonymous
Adam canonically cannot do this or else he wouldn’t have to abandon Eve and many Sinners he personally loved and raised.
It literally fails based on that alone.
You guys are so fricking awful at this.
3 months ago
Anonymous
or maybe he a) didn't abandon Eve and she left him willingly because he's a dickhead and b) he didn't actually give a shit about Sinners.
Lilith OBJECTIVELY made some sort of deal with Adam that got her into Heaven, that's just hard show canon. She wasn't redeemed like Sir Pentious was, as far as we know.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>a) didn't abandon Eve and she left him willingly because he's a dickhead
Lucifer is literally the dickhead who experimented on her. Shut up. She would be far less likely to leave Adam after that when others literally used her as a lab experiment. Adam was rejected and betrayed by a selfish evil c**t, Lilith. >b) he didn't actually give a shit about Sinners.
Adam showing his wrath against sinners and calling them losers for honoring Lucifer over him is the complete opposite of him “not giving a shit”. Lucifer abandoned them, not Adam. He didn’t even fear death to mock them.
He also canonically became sad and fat after literally almost everything from Lucifer’s bullshit.
You are the blindest fricker to ever live.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>literally denying the show that played in front of his eyes in favor of his headcanon
this is why we call you schizo
3 months ago
Anonymous
Eat my nuts, you unwatching b***h.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sera's supposed to take orders from the "Speaker of God" according to leaks so Metatron and thus God are 100% a thing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe Adam is just in Hell now and he hasn't respawned yet? If he is a human, he has a chance to go to hell and he failed at of the biggest rules he said gets you in Heaven. He didn't stick it to the man.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But there's SOMETHING beyond the Seraphs/Elder Angels' knowledge/control that brought Pentious up to Heaven
Could just as easily be some automated karmic balancing system rather than a divine higher intelligence. That would be a safer answer. Maybe Sir Repentious's greatest sin was abandoning a battle in life, and getting a redo to fix his mistake was what tipped him back into the moral black.
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's not a bad theory considering that's how it works in The Good Place and Vivzie basically ripped off the whole concept of HH from that show
3 months ago
Anonymous
HH is literally far older than that show’s release and it’s implied that Humans and Angels don’t control jack shit or manipulate some BS karma system. Adam refers to Lucifer as a creation, as in there is a God making the choices here. Sera’s draft mentions god in it.
The good place already had a solution for humans to be in heaven. HH doesn’t and redemption only happens when Adam dies.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Good Place predates even the HH pilot by a good three years
3 months ago
Anonymous
>predates the pilot
the pilot entered development not long after that show began airing at all, and the concept and characters have existed far longer. Alastor is from like 2012.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Source?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Go to her Patreon and scroll back like 8 years yourself moron I'm not a special ed teacher
3 months ago
Anonymous
Source: My ass
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Alastor is from like 2012.
Not that guy, but that doesn't mean she hasn't ever reworked the concept and/or setting. I doubt the plot of HH is all that similar to whatever the angels/demons arc in Zoophobia was supposed to be.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Vivzie basically ripped off the whole concept of HH from that show
Dilate
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Could just as easily be some automated karmic balancing system rather than a divine higher intelligence.
Frick you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Look, I don't like it as a philosophical message any more than you do anon, but do you really want capital-g God dragged into this extremely homosexual shitshow anyway?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Kys christcuck
3 months ago
Anonymous
But how can I do that if suicide is a sin?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Youre already committing a sin by being in my presence. Just do it
3 months ago
Anonymous
God didn’t curse Adam, but his sinning kids? Absolutely with death.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hey you didn't do anything wrong Adam >so I'm going to curse all your kids to die
that's a real dickmaster move, gotta say
3 months ago
Anonymous
Like father, like son.
3 months ago
Anonymous
okay why do you keep repeating this meme that Adam did not eat the fruit? It's making me feel schizo >Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's never stated if Adam ate the fruit or not in this series, dumbass.
It doesn't really follow logically because pretty much everyone but Charlie, born in hell, is pretty much sinmaxing. It's part of what makes her being a Disney Princess in hell so funny.
Thank you.
Seriously, they listen to the line that Adam was the first one who went to heaven, and they didn’t think “wow, that must’ve suck. But does that mean there is something special about Adam that didn’t send him to Hell? How unique is this Adam compared to the one from the Bible?” Instead, it’s “oh muh fricking Abel!”
I did consider the ramifications of the lore, these homosexuals solely used the cain and Abel shit for the, “Abel is good enough for heaven” stick, without reading the part of nearly every human being tossed to ducking hell, the grave, because of the apple. Which means, either Adam was super righteous to go to heaven or he simply didn’t eat it because he knew it was messing Eve up.
Now that’s how you actually fricking progress a theory.
Once it's in one of the biggest streaming services, it's the most popular one. Don't care how many millions of views it has on Youtube, streaming has people put on crap just to have something in the background, even moreso than YT. Having it on Prime already has it be seen on millions of eyes worldwide.
Speaking of Adam's past, why does Charlie call him a revolutionary when they first meet? Is she just blowing smoke up his ass for being the first man? And why does Adam list "sticking it to the man" as one of his requirements for getting into heaven if Lilith and Eve were the ones who rebelled because of Lucifer's influence? Who is "the man" to Adam?
[spoilers]Feel free to sit this one out, Redeemer!Adam poster, I can already guess your take.[/spoilers]
Adam stick it against Lucifer and his evil bullshit. By extension, he considers Lilith as a part of the man. The same Lilith that Adam and Lute wanted to kick out of Heaven.
God damn watching you schizos go back and forth about sky daddy level shit in a gay cartoon. I knew the Homestuck and Owl House crowd on this board was bad but you guys take the cake.
Angels do what they're told. They obey god, unlike humans they are not given free will. That's why any time an angel doesn't follow orders they're cast out of heaven. Lucifer, Cherubs, and Vaggie all defied god once and were immediately casted out of heaven.
Really if you like Helluva boss humor and hazbin I can't recommend Dogma enough. Especially if you're into angels in Hazbin.
you know, being you didn't come out of a womb, you wouldn't have nipples or a belly button, Adam.
It's going to look really weird when you take your shirt off.
Do angels even know who God actually is? We know they reference him in the universe but it's like God is some sort of president in their universe they never get to see. They clearly have no idea how redemption works or getting sent to heaven. Who is to say that no one ever actually asked someone higher up if they met God and personally spoke to them?
It's irritating that it's the same excuse every time, but it's also understandable, because you either have to make God the bad guy (the Supernatural method, when it went on too long), or you somehow have to explain why He isn't fixing everything. That said, Hazbin's 'lore' is pretty distant from the religious source material, so how or where it's going.
After the shit you anons have done and experienced , I can safely say that Adam and Lute are the safest character in the show and I actually lost my lust because of them.
>was a mafioso >list of sins most likely include but are not limited to; drug smuggling, gunrunning, murder in the dozens, prostitutemongering, abusing aforementioned prostitutes, being a gay
Angel Dust is getting exactly what he deserves with Valentino
keeping the mobster stuff was stupid. It literally adds nothing to his character other than the aesthetic of clothing and weaponry he has. Could have just made him some fricked up lounge singer trap from the 30s 40s instead.
For the time being Hazbin, Helluva Boss was a test run on how the audience react on their writing capability and will adjust for S2(if it ever comes out).
Helluva was only successful because it was a Hazbin side series people would watch untill Hazbin Hotel released. It mooched off most of the hype for Hazbin Hotel. Still I think Hazbin is still the more popular one as it should be since its the OG while Helluva is the sideshow.
I've been thinking about Beelzebub and Asmodeus and I think there might be decent reasons for why their behavior doesn't exactly contradict the sins they represent. >Ozzie believes in consent because the kind of lust he represents isn't the one that makes one rape someone, but the one that, despite being consensual, makes you lose all logical thinking, throw caution to the wind and just ruin your (and other people's) life as a result, like how he was describing what Stolas' deal was. Basically the sort of lust that leads to families getting broken, friends becoming enemies and so on and so forth. >Beelzebub is more about representing gluttony in the long run. If you overdo it once, you might get second thoughts about gorging yourself on another occasion, might get hurt or actually fricking die. But if you do somewhat moderate yourself, it ensures you can (and might want to) go and get drunk or eat like a pig again some another time.
Roo is the end game villain
Root of all evil
Spoiled by Viv four years ago by posting her to her Twitter and then the JTTL wiki people figured it out because the symbol shows up a lot throughout HB and HH
Hazbin is pretty mid but I appreciate the high potential it has by actually doing plot shit. Thinking about what is going to happen with the Sir Pentious plotline is kino. I honestly wish there were more cartoons willing to do serious arcs and plots like this while still being entertaining, I'm sick of episodic shows and even shows with arcs that revert to the status quo between seasons. Any good recs for shows that have big shifts like Adam dying and Sir Pentious reviving in heaven over the course of the show but actually have a reasonably satisfying ending without just endless cliffhangers?
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The name of this letter is the same as the sound it represents (see usage). Among English-speaking typographers the symbol may be called a "slashed O" or "o with stroke". Although these names suggest it is a ligature or a diacritical variant of the letter ⟨o⟩, it is considered a separate letter in Danish and Norwegian, and it is alphabetized after ⟨z⟩ — thus ⟨x⟩, ⟨y⟩, ⟨z⟩, ⟨æ⟩, ⟨ø⟩, and ⟨å⟩.
In other languages that do not have the letter as part of the regular alphabet, or in limited character sets such as ASCII, ⟨ø⟩ may correctly be replaced with the digraph ⟨oe⟩, although in practice it is often replaced with just ⟨o⟩, e.g. in email addresses. It is equivalent to ⟨ö⟩ used in Swedish (and a number of other languages), and may also be replaced with ⟨ö⟩, as was often the case with older typewriters in Denmark and Norway, and in national extensions of International Morse Code.
ø
The name of this letter is the same as the sound it represents (see usage). Among English-speaking typographers the symbol may be called a "slashed O" or "o with stroke". Although these names suggest it is a ligature or a diacritical variant of the letter ⟨o⟩, it is considered a separate letter in Danish and Norwegian, and it is alphabetized after ⟨z⟩ — thus ⟨x⟩, ⟨y⟩, ⟨z⟩, ⟨æ⟩, ⟨ø⟩, and ⟨å⟩.
In other languages that do not have the letter as part of the regular alphabet, or in limited character sets such as ASCII, ⟨ø⟩ may correctly be replaced with the digraph ⟨oe⟩, although in practice it is often replaced with just ⟨o⟩, e.g. in email addresses. It is equivalent to ⟨ö⟩ used in Swedish (and a number of other languages), and may also be replaced with ⟨ö⟩, as was often the case with older typewriters in Denmark and Norway, and in national extensions of International Morse Code.
How the hell does an attempt to dis a coomer become a debate/lecture about linguistics?
This is probably why Sinners are confined to the Pride ring. They must have abused their power too much in the past, raping and/or torturing imps, hellborn and hellhounds with reckless abandon until the Seven Deadly Sins said, "Enough!" and deported them all to Lucifer's domain.
>>This is probably why Sinners are confined to the Pride ring.
where the frick are people getting all this lore? the show had nothing about the sins or ars goetia or any of this shit
>pride ring is a war torn ghetto full of blown of building >the other rings have amusement parks, concerts, 5 star dining, etc.
Forget ascending, I would just want to get out of the pride ring.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you are in Hell, then you would ruin it like all sinners do.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine nuns in Catholic school going >Do you want to end up in Hell? Where everyone is bi sexual having amazing sex, and singing, and amusement parks? Beezlebub is an awesome fox tiddy monster sings about cotton candy. Is that where you want to go? Because you'll end up there if you keep acting like that!
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's the reason they're in the pride ring. they're sinners, they are in hell as punishment. the hellborne don't need to suffer for sins because they have none, so they have better places in hell to go.
>Run-of-the-mill Sinners outrank imps, hellborn and hellhounds according to Vivziepop.
I still don't understand what hellborn are and how they're different from Imps. At first I thought they were the children of Sinners, but then it doesn't make sense that they'd be a lower rank, since Lute mentions that 'hellborn' are exempt from extermination in HH episode 1.
Size difference, really. Imps are midgets compared to humans while Hellborn are roughly the same height as humans.
Also, Sinners are functionally immortal since they can only be "killed" permanently with angelic weapons/magic while imps, hellborn and hellhounds can be killed by mundane weaponry and supposedly have limited lifespans since we've seen a few middle-aged imps like Millie's parents.
Helluva would have never existed without Hazbin. Therefore Hazbin is more popular. Now, when it comes to success it's hard to say since both shows have such different production approaches. As a corpo produced show, Hazbin has been a huge success so far, and Helluva as an indie production has also been a huge success. Vivziepop is just that b***h, mogs the rest of the animation commie losers.
HH abandoned their plot 3 episods in and they haven't gone back to doing missions since season 2 started
HB stayed true to their plot but also feels like they sped everything up by 3 seasons
HH abandoned their plot 3 episods in and they haven't gone back to doing missions since season 2 started
HB stayed true to their plot but also feels like they sped everything up by 3 seasons
Why do people still think this when the goal was to get sinners redeemed and to make even possible? Then when it was possible after Adam’s death, the main villain, Lilith would have to step in and stop it from happening in Hell?
The goal was to make the hotel functional and save sinners en masse while removing the need for exterminations. saving a single soul doesn't do that because they don't even know that soul was saved yet. If the pace is kept brisk then in season 2 they will find out and fight lilith, season 3 they will actually be able to fulfill the goal and save some most of the main cast as well as plenty of other sinners, and end the need for extermination completely by leaving a plan for all future sinners to redeem themselves if they try.
>saving a single soul doesn't do that because they don't even know that soul was saved yet.
One soul being saved is massive, and Lute is already aware souls in hell were being redeemed into Heaven before Pentious showed up to her presence.
You don't seem to understand the things I just said. The people in HELL don't know Pentious was saved. Even if Lute knew, that's completely irrelevant because Lute isn't going to tell that to Hell and Lute isn't the one that needs to know for the Hotel to be a success. The hotel is no closer to successful at the end of season 1 compared to the start, outside of something that the people in Hell don't even know about yet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, Adam and Lute sat in the same position. She is still an overseer of human souls.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And you still don't seem to understand that she doesn't want those in hell to enter heaven, she enjoys killing people in hell. she's not going to change her mind and suddenly support the hotel, she literally took part in singing a song about how she and adam thought hell should be forever and sinners deserved to stay there until she can murder them again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No. Lute and Adam literally waited an entire year to do exterminations.
And they wanted to do other things for Sinners to make their lives better in Hell. Which Lucifer clearly doesn’t even give a damn about.
3 months ago
Anonymous
what the frick are you talking about? the things they do are shit like ripping out an angel's eye and wings for not slaughtering children, not improving the lives of people in hell. go watch the "hell is forever" song scene again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>An angel disobeys orders >Expect them to not be punished
What?
What’s worse is that Vaggie flat out rejected the second chance in episode 6, so she literally has no excuse.
Sodom deserves to be punished for being Sodom.
Why do so many of you homies lack reading comprehension? The original purpose of this thread was to see what's the general consensus regarding which vivzshit show is more popular, not which one do you guys prefer or fap to more.
I stopped watching Helluva Boss when it stopped being about wacky assassins going in funny missions and started just being nonstop relationship and family drama with MYSTERIOUS TRAGIC PASTS.
Is Hazbin better at, you know, actually fricking sticking to it's premise and the tone that made it popular to begin with?
Hazbin sticks to the "let's redeem sinners" idea, but it's season 1 of a show that probably needs 3-5 seasons to have the full plot. Lots of cliffhanger details in season 1.
I saw both shows last week without ever seeing anything pre-release.
HB > HH except in the music department. I had a hard time wrapping my head around these two shows even being made by the same person (people?). HB just has better writing, jokes, characters, and animation. There were several good action scenes which is rare for western animation. Not every episode was great, I was not into the one with Kesha. But I have rewatched several other episodes and found things I missed.
HH was a mess with only one real highlight. Apparently I should have seen the pilot on Youtube to understand things even though it isn't canon. The universe was a mess. It seemed like it was trying to parody Disney princesses except it didn't. The first episode had a lot of cringy edgy humor. Like a main character named Vaggie? The whole season you have to hear that stupid name. It was also supposed to be about an hotel except they were never there. It's also not even a hotel, it's a wayward house. It felt like that because the show had a preexisting fanbase the writers were stuck with a premise and concept that didn't really work. But you can't remove a character if it has fans. You can't not acknowledge lore if fans were already speculating on it. So you end up with things that really needed to be cut taking up so much space. The best episode was the one with Angel and Husk. The worst was the episode before it. They were great, especially their songs. Everything about Vaggie was awful and didn't make much sense. Alastor never did anything truly interesting. Charlie needed a dark side to her, she was too Rapunzel. Lucifer was funny but his relationship with Charlie made no sense. Overall the show was a mess with good musical sequences though some were very out of place.
That doesn't make it less stupid. Like that didn't get revealed till several episodes in. So till that reveal it just seemed like her parents called her that. And it still isn't funny. If it was a minor character then at least you don't have to hear this lame joke several times and episode.
>Pentious achieved his salvation in less than six months. But Pentious is a silly funny goofball. So it begs the question for how long does someone seriously evil like say Angel Dust who used to work as a mobster killing many people need to express good behavior before he's cleared and granted entry into Heaven? And that's not even mentioning even worse characters like Alastor and the overlords.
You're making plenty of unsafe assumptions. He didn't pop into heaven because he arbitrarily met the quota and got teleported instantly, he had to die again. For all we know people like Angel Dust also are redeemed and simply need to die like SP did. It's also not a matter of "express good behavior", one of the most basic aspects of the heaven/hell dynamic is that it's meant to be about who you truly are. It can be done quickly if someone truly means it. Charlie's methods are closer to playacting than true redemption, once it's refined they can probably get people from hell to heaven quickly if they figure out exactly how.
Did the show even establish Angel Dust used to be a mobster? Like I was wondering the entire time if he was in Hell for drug addiction and sex. If he weren't enslaved wouldn't he prefer hell because there are drugs and sex there without judgement? I don't think any of the episodes on Prime ever brought up him redeeming himself for murdering people. And how does that even get tested in a place were murder doesn't mean anything? And we didn't see Sir Pentious learn he shouldn't be violent? How do we know he isn't?
Apparently only indie shows get cool merch, Amazon just prints the same key art over and over for their stuff.
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/54BA0727-7DD5-4AE1-BA8F-FD285747B952
Then we should blame Viv. She probably could've done more to sell the merchandise the way she would've done it before if she had more backbone, but she probably just really, really wanted to sell out for her brodway cast.
Then we should blame Viv. She probably could've done more to sell the merchandise the way she would've done it before if she had more backbone, but she probably just really, really wanted to sell out for her brodway cast.
>she probably just really, really wanted to sell out for her brodway cast.
That and being an industrysimp, she never were an indie champion, lol
Because God forbid people seize the opportunity to work with a major studio when it presents itself lol
Why do you people never give Zach shit for selling out to Adult Swim or Ian JQ and Parker Simmons for selling out to CN etc etc
I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST SO BAD I WANT TO SLURP UP HER LEGS LIKE BIG NOODLES I WANT TO EAT EVERY MEAL OF MY LIFE OFF OF HER FAT breasts I WANT TO DUMP MY CUM IN HER RUMP EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I WANT TO FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK ANGEL DUST SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD PLEASE GOD FRICK I WANT TO BLAST ENDLESS BUSTS INTO HER BIG MOMMY WOMB I WANT TO GLAZE HER LIKE A DONUT WITH MY CUM FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I WANNA PUMP PUMP FRICK FRICK HER THICK BUTT I WANT TO TASTE EVERY INCH OF HER BODY OOH MMMMYYY FRICKIIINNGGG GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD PLEASE I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE IF I HAD A CHANCE TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WOULD NEVER CUM ANYWHERE ELSE BUT HER PUSSYYYYYYY PLEASE PLEASE OMMGGG IM SO HORNY WHEN I SEE ANGEL DUST I CANT STAND IT I HAVE TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WONT CUM TO ANYTHING BUT ANGEL DUST HELP ME FRICK ANGEL DUST SO HORNY FOR MOMMY ASS OMG PLEASE FRICK FRICK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK OH MY FRICKING GOD IMAGINE BEING IN HELL AND FEELING HER FAT BUTT AND THIGHS BOUNCING AGAINST YOUR wiener SHE WOULD BE STRINGING CUMS SHOOTING FAT DEMON ROPES FROM HER FAT wiener TO YOUR BELLY EVERY TIME I FELT HER AGAINST ME FRICK FRICK FRICK I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST
i unironically think angel veers enough into femboy territory visually that liking him isn't very gay. that or i am coping hard. its whatever, its a sexually charged character who is andro enough to have something for everyone to find hot.
i admit i like a lot of 2d male characters. especially if they're feminine. its just a shame they're not real but i guess that's part of the appeal. 3d pig disgusting and all that. i think angel is the hottest character in the show by far but i think part of it is he's the complete and total opposite of me, and i find being a shameless prostitute hot because i'm an extremely sexually repressed and shy person and a part of me have always secretly thought being a huge wienerbawd is hot and appealing. opposites attract and all that.
If we are going on songs with just the sake of singing, I really don't like Fizzarolli singing or the lyrics of his songs.
Look at this was dumb
His frick you song was stupid
It wasn't that bad. Sure it was a run-of-the-mill pop music number but it fit the scene. I mean, what else do you expect to play at what is essentially a wild teen or college frat party?
Hazbin for the simple reason that the songs are better. There's also a character for everyone in the show. Typically in a show there's one or two stand out characters that most people pick as their favorite but it seems like every main character gets love with the exception of Vaggie, even the "bad" guys.
Helluva Boss is great, but the songs aren't as catchy or well produced and Loona is the main stand out character - and she hasn't even been in the newer episodes. The show has kind of abandoned the original plot and backed itself into a corner with Stolas/Blitzo.
>Writes a note that this is initiated by them and not Charlie
Do you think he knows a relationship is a two way street or was this meant to prove Alatsor is an incel
This note was made because since Charlie is in a relationship with Vaggie, she would be touching her girlfriend a lot more freely than she's touching Alastor.
There's also the whole 'Alastor hates being touched' and he's the one that usually initiates touching someone else.
>A dimension of peaceful darkness, with lights flickering in-and-out >Adam. Adam. Open your eyes. My unblemished Lamb. >Adam: Father? Is it really you? My old man? >I am that I am. The same God in the beginning and in the end. Untainted by creation. >I’ve seen those tears dropped down on your face in my glorious heavens. Is my best and purest craft not good enough for you. Was your heart stolen by the Sinners? The filth of my creation! >Adam: But Abel, Cain, and Seth. They all did good in life. They repented. >In their sins? My child, their good deeds are nothing but filthy rags before me. Till their sins are paid in full, they shall never touch the Heavens. The only truly good man to exist is you. >Adam: But father, they never had a chance. They didn’t chose the apple. >And they’ve chosen sin over light. Over me. Only when their sins are paid in full, they shall live in the light. >Adam: If nothing they did is valuable to you, it’s impossible! >But under you, it isn’t. You can save your most righteous children. Your deeds mean everything to me. You will one day overcome the Serpent and save them all under your blood. >Adam: But father, he’s the most powerful and brightest seraphim ever created and I am just a stupid fat simp! >Did I not create man to be greater than the heavens. Did I not given you the most glorious wings in all of Heaven! All built in my image? I created Lucifer. I am greater than him! You are greater than him! >Adam: (Holds his hands over his eyes, terrified by the booming wrath of the Lord.) >Son. Son. You must relax your heart and listen closely. Eve will not return to you. She is foregone. Nothing you do can save her. >Adam: No.. NO YOU DON’T- (His mouth is closed shut by force and he whimpers once more.) >It is her choice. Her darkness grows by its roots every day. And no light can cut it out except the light she lost so long ago.
>Adam: (Feels his tears being wiped away by an invisible hand) >You mustn’t cry, my son. I built the heavens for my children to enjoy, did I not. I am pleased by your works on earth and in my heavens. I stored a grand treasure here that can never be replaced. Built to complete your hollowed heart. >Adam: (Feels himself drifting away) Father, don’t go. Don’t leave me. I need you! I need you! >Adam, my beloved son. Bring love to her just I did to you.
Hazbins probably more popular but Helluva will get more long term discussion most of the year just cause it'll actually be releasing episodes.. but Hazbin will utterly swamp it again when it comes out with it's second season. Helluva's crazy ass "when their done" release schedule is both a blessing and a curse in that way, it makes people get more annoyed when their favorites aren't in focus because it takes FOREVER to get through a few episodes but it does keep the show in peoples minds since it pops back up every few months.
Helluva will still easily be beating basically every other Youtube show that isn't ADC (Unless that totally flops the transition into a proper series then it might end up back on top anyway) though.
But yeah even at the peak of Helluva's popularity i wasn't seeing it getting the sheer amount of art, fanfiction, song covers and stuff Hazbin is now.
The breakfast scene from episode 3 but with Charlie awkwardly trying her absolute best to not throw up as she very, VERY reluctantly eats tiny pieces off of the deer corpse that Alastor is sharing with her.
It's unfortunate that I guess A24 and Amazon have to approve most Hazbin merch now, might not of bought it but I sure as hell wanted to see Saucy Lucifier and stuff lol (at least they managed to get Alastor in there... with his "Saucy" mat being him.. with his tie off and coat unbuttoned and that's it lol.
I actually think all the canon relationships are pretty well done compared to most cartoons, refreshing really that they can show them at different stages.
Big hopes on Adam/Lute too
Helluva Boss has Loona
Hazbin Hotel has better characters, slightly better writing, an engaging plot (instead of flashback drama) and more songs
that's an easy answer from me
I'm not asking which series is better quality-wise, I'm asking which one is objectively more popular
Currently Hazbin Hotel for being new
Helluva Boss reputation kinda fell down
But likely Hazbin Hotel is gonna end up like Helluva Boss is going
Abandoning good premise and interesting ideas for the sake of angst-shipping
>But likely Hazbin Hotel is gonna end up like Helluva Boss is going
>Abandoning good premise and interesting ideas for the sake of angst-shipping
seems more likely to go into family drama than shipping
tbh Hazbin doesn't seem all that interested in shipping. Yeah you've got 3 main canon ships in Chaggie, Huskerdust and Cherisnake but none of them get the prominence even the MnMs get in Helluva.
Granted part of that is probably just the episode count of S1 meant they had to go all in on the plot.
The main plot of Hazbin is literally Adam x Lute and the tragic separation of Adam x Eve. Since Eve is the main villain and Adam somehow screws her over in season 1 by dying.
>Doesn't include Guitarspear
You had ONE fricking job
They're latecomers, but yes, true
oh sorry my brain is unplugged
I'll still go with Hazbin because the songs will likely carry the show for months between seasons
>Hazbin Hotel has better characters,
Eh not really. I at least find Millie and Moxxie more charming than any relationship in Hazbin, and Blitzo can be funny sometimes, with help from Brandon's voice acting ability. Plus yeah Loona is good. And yeah the Stolitz thing sucks I know but I think it's more tolerable than that whole storyline with Angel dust and his boss. And Chaggie is just shit. Overall the characters in Helluva are more watchable, even though the plot isn't great.
Also these character designs aren't helping anything. Wow a guy in a suit with a basic tv for a head wow.
Vox is hot, shut up
>Charlie
>Shit
Genuinely the first time I've seen anyone say that, even Cinemaphile had come around to her
I agree. Helluva Boss is clearly the superior option.
Bruh, even if you are gonna make this about waifus, HH still wins lol
>off model cope
Point still stands furhomosexual
Loona stands strong despite over a chronological year since her last speaking role. She'll be doing fine.
As a fellow Loonachad I'm really worried they're just going make her a full blown shy sad bean uwu with a tragic backstory like everyone instead of the aggressive, degenerate goth b***h she started out as
she already has a tragic backstory, if you are ignorant of it it just means you don't know shit about the show.
She should be both, a hardass with secret vulnerability she only has around you
Ladies, ladies, ladies
Theyre both made for human men
Not Emily! she's made for Charlie!
Hazbin because it has CHADam
I want to say Hazbin, but I don't know what metrics are comparable at this point. I wasn't tracking the views on Helluva videos so I couldn't say which had higher viewership for their first season. I don't even know how to measure that for Prime, but just the singalongs get 12-16M views. The Addict music video has like 2.5 times as many views of any episode of Helluva in less time. Helluva has a headstart but I think Hazbin will quickly overtake it.
And don't forget the fact that Hazbin pilot has way more views than the Helluva one. To be honest, I lowkey believe HB's popularity was heavily carried by Loona.
>Helluva Hotel crossover never ever
Charlie would absolutely flip her shit if she found out about IMP.
Fr. The only reason she is mostly ok with the Sinners killing eachother is because they respawn as long as the weapon is not angelic (was that changed?). She absolutely hates people getting actually permakilled, which is why she is so against the extermination. If she finds out some hellspawn Gremlins are sending mortals to an early grave for simple apathetic profit she might go sicko mode again
Never say never but there's legal shit they'd have to work out to make it happen.
You'd be surprised on the songs thing, on average definitely Hazbin has more songs since it's got 2 every episode but the episodes of Helluva that have the MOST songs tend to ether have more or longer songs than Hazbin.
Like House of Asmodeus is like 5 and a half minutes of a song sequence, and the Mammon Special had I think like 5 songs in one episode.
i love every part of the hazbin pilot and the show but i haven't watched any of helluva boss. it seems like i'm not missing much.
Hazbin, by miles
The only thing that you're only missing out is the nod to Carmilla's weapons and probably how sinners get their appearance
How do I get Carmilla wife?
Go to south america and find a queenpin(?)
Camilla is hot
She sure is
One of my favorite side characters.
The shoulder sways were the hottest parts of that musical number
how come Zestial expressions are always so cute?
I keep thinking he's supposed to be a snake type character and talks with a hissssss
I am fully engaged in Hazbin and am really looking forward to s2. Helluva I watch out of habit.
Hazbin is more popular, but I have a feeling that it'll be more hated due to all of the recent drama.
What do you mean, all of the drama?
If this post was written by Vivziepop: what the frick do you fricking mean, fricking all of the fricking drama, you fricking dick? Frick frick frick penis boobies frick.
Stuff like the fandom generally being toxic. Apparently someone in the fandom was bullied to suicide. I haven't read into it. But the fandom is generally unpleasant and that's going to have a negative effect on Hazbin Hotel's reputation.
every fandom is moronic.
I'm aware. But this is how it is. When a fandom is designated as being toxic, it makes a bad smell that keeps some newcomers away.
Meh, that's any fandom of a show evolved from Tumblr culture.
The correct answer.
Most fandoms have crazies. This is nothing new.
this fandom is particularly nuts, it has attracted a lot of people who sympathize with the characters because they themselves had similar issues.
For example I really like Valentino.
>For example I really like Valentino.
based pansexual sadomasochist anon
It's a series where the premise is less about actual self-improvement and redemption, and more how sinners are hella cute and cool, and being good and righteous just means you are really hiding the super evil shit. I'd be genuinely surprised if it DIDN'T have a toxic fanbase. Every edgelord and fedora with a internet connection will be filling their rooms with bootleg memorabilia.
>being good and righteous just means you are really hiding the super evil shit.
where'd you get that from
Are you saying Adam and co aren't evil fricks hiding behind a pretence of being the good guys? A paper thin one for Adam especially.
No, I'm saying the actual good and righteous characters (i.e. Charlie and Emily) aren't hiding evil.
Sure, but they are the 'misunderstood devils/sinners' and not the (supposed) 'good guys'/Lawful Good characters. Charlie and co are the ones the edgelords and emo girls are supposed to relate to. I think you misunderstood what I was going for. In fact, you are kind of proving my point, because that's exactly what I mean.
No, I understood what you meant, I just recognized that you don't have fundamental media literacy so I questioned you for further clarification in order to correct you.
also Emily is literally an angel.
>implying
Kek. Sorry, I didn't realise you were one of the edgelords/fedoras. My mistake. But please, feel free to get saltier and keep making my point for me.
Adam and Lute are literally on Emily’s side, except they are older and secretive about the plans. Otherwise, Sera will lock up Adam in Heaven since the task he has to do is to literally get himself killed by sinners.
It’s wild stuff.
>Say the show is just okay
>There are people at the ready to call you a moron and demand you think it's the perfection laid by the golden goose Vivzie herself and won't let up until you agree
>There are people at the ready to call it a dumpster fire and call you a shill for even daring not to agree it's a mound of shit.
You can't win with either spectrum of the fandom.
>read the Google doc
>there's supposedly like 3-4 different people in the discord screenshots and they all talk in the exact same way
I'm no detective but I'm leaning towards doubt.jpg
i don't get it, if some b***h off's herself over a medical issue, and she just happens to spend some of her freetime shitposting about the show before doing so,...
I really don't see how the show or fandom has any responsibility for it, people need to take responsibility for there own shit.
the demon show fandom is full of demonic behavior? wow, color me surprised
2023 feels like that experiment where you put a frog in a put of water and slowly raise the heat.
This is a show that wants you to cheer angels dying.
>everybody only cares about Adam and Lute now
If that was actually their intention then they HORRIBLY failed
it clearly isn't, Emily and the Vs are object proof Heaven isn't evil and Hell isn't good, and there's a big epic musical turnabout about the rules being shades of grey
>everybody only cares about Adam and Lute now
Man some of you homies really need to leave your bubble on Cinemaphile sometimes.
>everybody only cares about Adam and Lute now
lol no they don't
The Adam/Lute/Lilith question/cliffhanger seems like the thing people care about the most. It helps they were popular characters too
Lilith yes. Adam and Lute not really.
I've seen a lot of people more interested in what happens to Lute next than the rest of the cast.
>Adam and Lute not really.
There were a fair number of Lute questions submitted for the last q&a stream.
He is cute when he's sad
Sex with Lilith.
Adam please.
It was a woman and the issue was over HuskerDust right?
>Apparently someone in the fandom was bullied to suicide
that's because the people who get so attached to fandoms are usually fifteen-years-old
Helluva Boss. The vivzie ad that just dropped on YT has Loona and is peawienering HB hard. HH is in the background. They know they fricked up, and TADC is going to take off much better than HH was expected to.
I think the rights on merchandise is the answer to that.
Why did the creator make the same show twice as the same time?
Wouldn't it be mixed now that Helluva has been out for the longest?
Serious question, do they never plan to have these two shows interact or connect in any way?
I'm not saying "make a crossover episode" but at least maybe put some characters from each show in the background of the other so the connected universe actually feels connected. Like maybe just show that some events in Hazbin took place at the same time as Helluva.
Adam should date Mammon.
Don't think they can do that because of rights issues
They theoretically could eventually if they worked out some kind of deal but yeah, it's tough.
I also don't realy see a reason for the main cast of the two shows TO Interact. If there was one group of characters from HB I feel really should appear in HH it's the Sins, (or Viseversa, with Lucifer appearing in HB alongside the Sins). I do really want to see Lucifer and his Circus troop all together at some point.
wasn't it mentioned at some point that angel dust and blitzo know each other
I mean given their both very willing to frick.. just about anyone I would not be surprised lol.
Well they are in different circles of hell.
Helluva Boss is better because the creator didn't delay making it for 8 years to rush it to high heck.
also
>Loona coomers
I don't come to Loona. I simply dream of fathering her into a fine, young lady who will make a good man happy one day.
probably the one where the songs alone have 10+ million views on Youtube
>the way Angel's voice breaks at the end of Poison
I must protect this prostitute
Protect his smile
He deserves genuine friendship. WAY too much of his life has been nothing but abusive sex.
He needs FRIENDS.
How would being Angel's straight friend look like?
He'd obviously try to first hit on you but after that initial hurdle how would it be?
It it be possible to do non-gay guy stuff with him?
>It it be possible to do non-gay guy stuff with him?
You compromise. He wants to frick you? He has to go jack off into a tissue. Eat some gabagool together and stuff like that, buy some pizza, it doesn't nobody.
Would be kino
I literally cannot believe a straight man could feel compassion for a gay guy
Men feel compassion for other men all the time. Homos just need to respect our boundaries and our love for veganaS
he may be gay, but he is still my fellow man
HB has Moxxie
HH has Gay Spider but I don't want to frick him
So HB wins.
I like both. HH has better story while HB forces me into being a furry. I fricking hate it.
Hazbin is much better. The reason Hazbin Hotel is better is because it has better main characters and more intriguing antagonists. Lets check it out...
Charlie and Vaggie - Equally shit.
Angel Dust - Shit.
Nifty - Unfunny shit.
Husk - Good sympathetic character who acts as a bar informant.
Pentious - Silly likable goofball who achieved salvation.
Alastor - Mysterious character but good future antagonist.
Adam & Lute - Great villains with a nice dynamic.
Other interesting things - The other overlords and their diplomatic relationships.
Now compare that with Helluva Boss...
Blitzo - Could have been amusing but his disgusting homosexual soap opera makes up the majority of his characterization so he's unpleasant to look at.
Millie - Annoying shitty character who only exits to be the Minnie Mouse to Moxxie's Mickey Mouse.
Moxxie - Horrible annoying beta loser lame character and I hate his annoying voice. I'm well aware it's the same man as Invader Zim and I always hated the annoying voices this man is famous for. I can't stand his voice for being grating. And I hate his entire doormat personality.
Loona - Terribly unlikable c**t who the writing team tries to insist that she's got issues she's working on but they always return to writing her as an unlikable hostile c**t who is lucky the other characters tolerate her violent personality.
Other characters like Stolas are shit. And the villains? What villains does Helluva Boss have? Stella is a terrible one given how one note she is. I've seen better villains in things like Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy over this. Helluva Boss is terrible show and if Loona didn't exist as a canine anthro NO ONE would speak about this show.
Hotel Hazbin has this competition won. But that's not saying much either and I expect Viv to ruin Hotel Hazbin eventually. She did after all write that no one in Heaven knows how mortal souls get into Heaven.
sounds like its a miracle that hazbin ended up decent enough.
you insulted loona you disgusting creature
now look at her
Boogie was the only bad villain I can think of
>Moxxie - Horrible annoying beta loser lame character and I hate his annoying voice. I'm well aware it's the same man as Invader Zim and I always hated the annoying voices this man is famous for. I can't stand his voice for being grating. And I hate his entire doormat personality.
The invader zim voice is really one thing I can't get over, abd personally stops me from enjoying the character as his own.
In rhe merch you can see their clearly trying to put Moxxie as a femboy. Unfortunately they keep pushing it more and more in the show. First was the pegging. He stopped making out with his wife like he use to. Second was the whole Chaz episode ehich the plot was moronic.
The episode logic itself doesn't work Moxxie is already married with a wife.
Hazbin and it's really not close
it's perfectly fine for angels to just be custodians of Heaven with no real knowledge of the mechanisms of sin.
https://files.catbox.moe/2v7d7w.jpg
made some Loona art, I'll release the uncensored version on Valentines day for you guys.
Nice
you don't really love me. You just want me for my body.
Nah, she can be cute.
I can fix her.
I wasn't larping as your waifu, anon. I want my ring back.
I will draw Loona
I will post it online, for free
I will be happy
thanks bro I appreciate it.
Damnit, internet is out and isn't expected to come back up unti tomorrow. Picture's finished, but upload might be a little late. Can't upload anything from my computer. Sorry guys.
https://e621.net/posts/4597980
Here, my internet was out for like 7 hours today, so now that I have it back I'm just posting the art slightly early before it could potentially go out again. Happy valentine's day!
Happy Valentines Day anon!
I'm not a Loonagay but thank you for sharing this is still very sexy
Thanks! It was a lot of work, but when you draw exactly what you specifically want it's always worth the effort.
Happy V day anon
cute nipples, updooted
God I just want to cuddle with her all night long
Sexooooo
Great work anonMy first valentine's day in three years and you had to hit me with the pierced nipples.
God I miss her
>https://files.catbox.moe/2v7d7w.jpg
im wanna make her pregnant so hard...and start a family with her
dammit forgot to answer that post too
>But did anyone care about Charlie and Vaggie's dyke relationship being under threat?
Yes. When they sing Lucifer's song it's heartwarming.
Hazbin Hotel, easily. Helps it's not confused and actually feels like it has a coherent idea of where to go.
You're wrong.
alright now I am sad
poor lute
Why do they keep going and making Sallie May's dick BIGGER
That character is seriously just going to be a walking penis after a few more merchandise waves
Me and a friend were just talking about that. Like, it's genuinely fricking blatant. I'm all for it, but it's super weird to compare the older merch to the current stuff.
Seriously, the playmat design It looks like he shoved his entire fist in his undies
What is the point? I swear originally it was kind of "Haha, you can see a peepee bulge in his girl underwear", not "BARELY RELEVANT BACKWARD CHARACTER, WIELDER OF TROON EXCALIBER"
Also, now Moxxie has a huge ass
I can only assume whoever's doing most of the designs for the merch desperately wants to get their back blown out by Sallie Mae's mega demon dong.
loona my beloved
>Chocolate chip
You know, canonically a chocolate chip cookie almost killed her. I'm too tired to dig through my folders, but there's a voxtagram post of her eating one and getting really sick
I remember that. She either got one as a side thing to coffee, or she found one on the ground and the convo was like "what did I eat a cookie off the ground? Frick you, that's why."
if you find it please post! I would like it a lot anon
part 1
There's something so real and sad about Stolas constantly replying. Like back in the day when you used Facebook to talk to friends, but then your aunt made a Facebook and added you. Suddenly you start really monitoring your post with the idea she'll see it.
what kind of cookie are they?
And part 2
actually, just remembered there's a finale
until it retcon headcannon is moxxie left the cookie he is the only one we know who likes to cook/bake
thanks for delivering <3
Did it get deleted like the other voxtagram posts?
HB has a futa/dickgirl character? hold up i might have to watch this after all.
Oh (You)!
this is great what are you guys complaining about? makes me want to watch it but if the character is hardly in it i dunno. i like hazbin though.
Maybe of we just ignore the homosexuals and post Adam x Lute pics, everything will be fine.
I'm not complaining at all, it's just super weird when her bulge was noticeable but much less blatant in the older merch. Like you could tell something was there but not a goddamn hog straining out of her panties.
i'm a hyper fan so it doesn't upset me but i understand huge throbbing wieners aren't for everyone.
Do you think the artist or designer (whatever they're called) likes more, Millie or Sallie May?
This thing is a PLAYMAT, meaning you're supposed to use it for a trading card game like Yugioh or Magic. Can you IMAGINE the giga-autist that shows up to the comic book shop and rolls out a cartoon demon chick with a wiener almost as big as "her" head
God is there anymore of a red flag than hellhva boss merch. Really question wearing fap fuel in public.
There's not even a hint of irony like goth girl with hello kitty back pack.
Playmat? I thought that's something you give babies to crawl around on.
Sallie May, Millie's "sister" but he seriously went and had like a single line of dialogue
that ain't even the biggest. Since you're so bold, might as well show the playmat
No, most people liked it. Cinemaphile is contrarian.
cute charlie art
Wasn't there a thread with Charlie Emily and Vaggie a couple hours ago that hit bump limit?
Damn how'd I miss that.
Artist?
Cute, but Vaggie's lewd face was rendered perfectly
It was a very slow thread too
Oh you meant that one, I caught it after all
Ye
From the thumbnail I thought Emily was fat with stubby arms
You guys spent 4 years saying HH would flop and then it became extremely successful. Keep trying.
Finally the mods have slain the spam drama queens.
Our lord and savior
Lute will find the One Halo and she WILL revive him!
ADAM WON
HB is carried hard by Loona, who is barely a character and ridiculously overrated. I don't need to ask why. I know why. I just think everyone is insane.
HH is pretty much like this with Adam x Lute and Vox and Val. Except, they are actually characters.
HB is carried by Brandon Rogers, and HH is carried by expectations for HB. Essentially this whole shit is dependent upon Cornbread's biggest collaborator. Loona and Sally are just icing on the cake that is Bradon's cocoa colored ass.
>Loona and Sally are just icing on the cake
Loona is at least a character in the show. Albiet pushed in the back and hasn't said a single word all season 2.
So is the logiv if people keep buying Sallie May merch, they'll put the character back in the show?
HNNNNGGG
>This is the "alpha chad" anons self insert as to frick all the Helluva Boss women.
GEEEG nonono Moxxiebros... not like this... NOT LIKE THIS...
M-M-MMoxxie bros??? THey told me he was a hung top..
Fatty just can't stop losing
I will now buy your enamel pin
Moxxie canonically gets pegged so he at least switches.
Not that Anon but all of the humans used to be in purgatory until the crucifixion per the Christian Bible, so it would be possible for Adam to have been the first one in line to enter Heaven from Purgatory after their sins were forgiven.
That is of course if they're doing a Christian interpretation. Lilith is from Judaism, so who knows.
Their really trying their hardest to make him the Angel Dust of the show now.
He always was
In S1, I don't know if I would have believed that.
In S2 though? Yeah I can see it.
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Season two fricking ruined him. I've never seen a cartoon character get so emasculated and gaygified so fast. He went from wimpy but good hearted married man who is a stark contrast to most of Hell to being anal prostitute who loves getting his butthole tickled by rubber and fish dicks.
RIP Pilot/Early Season 1 Moxxie, you were to straight for the Vivz
would anally annihilate until he becomes catatonic
bad cartoon sucks
You know I just realized...
They say in the show that Adam is the first human soul to go to Heaven, which would imply Abel is in Hell. That's really fricked up, considering Abel did nothing wrong.
Unless maybe simply, the creators don't even know Abel exists.
You exactly are seeing that the way to Heaven is nearly impossible and maybe some ancient sinners are Abel in this show.
I think it's more likely that Vivziepop knows nothing on Cain or Abel, given their not once ever brought up or hinted at, and also looking at St. Peter gives us a pretty good indicator that Vivzie knows nothing about their history.
Anon, you know how insane the pacing is and Abel isn’t appropriate to even bring up in season 1 at all. Like maybe he’s that Zestial guy because of his weird genealogy outcomes or some other dude.
Plus, Adam is concerned with all sinners, so centering it on Cain and Abel is legit stupid, especially when we know that the newer humans are far worse than them.
or the story just didn't have a place for them in Vivzie's speedrun version of her own plot
S1 of Hazbin Hotel felt less like a proper S1 and more like a hypothetical S1, S2 and S3 "Best Of" Compilation of some episodes from those respective seasons.
Technically, Bible doesn't really say if he goes to heaven or hell either, his circumstances are pretty unique
All that's said is that God tells Cain that "the voice of your brother's blood cries from the ground" (Genesis 4:10) when Able was killed.
but in the context of the show, Adam is the first human to get into Heaven. So either a) Cain and Abel just don't exist (which would be weird since they leaned pretty hard on Adam being the father of all humanity), b) Cain didn't kill Abel and he died after Adam (which, why change the story like that) or c) Abel, the first human to die, went to Hell. There's an interesting story to be told there with how the requirements to actually get into Heaven aren't clear and/or don't make sense.
Here’s the explanation. Even the smallest of sins takes you to hell.
Done.
By that logic, Adam should have been the first person to go to Hell.
Adam literally didn’t eat the Apple that gets you possessed by literal pure evil, so shut up.
You Cain and Abel homosexuals are always cancerous as the Michael homosexuals with your irrelevant shoved-in fanon garbage.
What kind of counterargument is that?
it's his deranged headcanon that he insists is 100% true and accurate
He means in the show, it's stated that Lucifer gave the apple to Eve, but never directly states it was given to Adam. It does kind of explain why he went to Heaven and neither of his sons did, they were descendants of Eve, who ate the apple.
Yeah. That’s basically the big twist of the series that probably gets revealed in season 2 or 3.
The Roo plot twist pretty much says, if Adam ate the apple, he would also be possessed by Roo. So I had to automatically disqualify Adam by default thanks to the leak.
>other humans (i.e. also descendants of Eve) get into Heaven (relatively) fine
>for some reason Cain and Abel specifically are irreparably tainted because of Eve
If Adam didn't eat the Apple, there is no reason why he would be cast out of the Garden or even die in the first place.
but this is all assuming the show at least vaguely follows the Bible for the stuff we aren't told directly
>If Adam didn't eat the Apple, there is no reason why he would be cast out of the Garden or even die in the first place.
Exactly, so he came with the banished Eve on his own terms. Simply because he loved her.
but God wouldn't have cursed him and his descendants to die in the first place if he didn't eat the apple
Is God even in the universe in this show? Like, is Sera actually getting orders from the big guy himself or something?
St. Peter implies Jesus which implies God, but there's no direct evidence for His existence beyond that.
But there's SOMETHING beyond the Seraphs/Elder Angels' knowledge/control that brought Pentious up to Heaven not Adam, don't respond to me Adamschizo
You know it was Adam’s death that got God to forgive sinners for their sins. Everything else would be absolutely aimless.
I SAID don't respond to me, Adamschizo
It’s literally the only possible answer since Lute knew that sinners were being redeemed before Sir Pentious appeared in heaven.
>It’s literally the only possible answer since Lute knew that sinners were being redeemed before Sir Pentious appeared in heaven.
Source?
Literally the final scene of the show. Lute was implying that Lilith needs to go to hell to prevent the sinners from redeeming themselves, or else they leave the punishment that Lilith deserves, Hell, and Lilith is forced to come back there.
how do you know Lute wasn't referring to Hell finally coming up with a way to kill angels rather than sinners redeeming themselves?
>The only way for you to stay up (heaven) is for you to come down (hell).
>Adam makes a deal with Lilith for her to come up to Heaven in exchange for some sort of favor/not doing something to aid Hell
>Adam dies, deal's off
>Lute goes to Lilith to make a new deal, stop your daughter or you don't get to stay in Heaven
Adam canonically cannot do this or else he wouldn’t have to abandon Eve and many Sinners he personally loved and raised.
It literally fails based on that alone.
You guys are so fricking awful at this.
or maybe he a) didn't abandon Eve and she left him willingly because he's a dickhead and b) he didn't actually give a shit about Sinners.
Lilith OBJECTIVELY made some sort of deal with Adam that got her into Heaven, that's just hard show canon. She wasn't redeemed like Sir Pentious was, as far as we know.
>a) didn't abandon Eve and she left him willingly because he's a dickhead
Lucifer is literally the dickhead who experimented on her. Shut up. She would be far less likely to leave Adam after that when others literally used her as a lab experiment. Adam was rejected and betrayed by a selfish evil c**t, Lilith.
>b) he didn't actually give a shit about Sinners.
Adam showing his wrath against sinners and calling them losers for honoring Lucifer over him is the complete opposite of him “not giving a shit”. Lucifer abandoned them, not Adam. He didn’t even fear death to mock them.
He also canonically became sad and fat after literally almost everything from Lucifer’s bullshit.
You are the blindest fricker to ever live.
>literally denying the show that played in front of his eyes in favor of his headcanon
this is why we call you schizo
Eat my nuts, you unwatching b***h.
Sera's supposed to take orders from the "Speaker of God" according to leaks so Metatron and thus God are 100% a thing.
Maybe Adam is just in Hell now and he hasn't respawned yet? If he is a human, he has a chance to go to hell and he failed at of the biggest rules he said gets you in Heaven. He didn't stick it to the man.
>But there's SOMETHING beyond the Seraphs/Elder Angels' knowledge/control that brought Pentious up to Heaven
Could just as easily be some automated karmic balancing system rather than a divine higher intelligence. That would be a safer answer. Maybe Sir Repentious's greatest sin was abandoning a battle in life, and getting a redo to fix his mistake was what tipped him back into the moral black.
that's not a bad theory considering that's how it works in The Good Place and Vivzie basically ripped off the whole concept of HH from that show
HH is literally far older than that show’s release and it’s implied that Humans and Angels don’t control jack shit or manipulate some BS karma system. Adam refers to Lucifer as a creation, as in there is a God making the choices here. Sera’s draft mentions god in it.
The good place already had a solution for humans to be in heaven. HH doesn’t and redemption only happens when Adam dies.
The Good Place predates even the HH pilot by a good three years
>predates the pilot
the pilot entered development not long after that show began airing at all, and the concept and characters have existed far longer. Alastor is from like 2012.
Source?
Go to her Patreon and scroll back like 8 years yourself moron I'm not a special ed teacher
Source: My ass
>Alastor is from like 2012.
Not that guy, but that doesn't mean she hasn't ever reworked the concept and/or setting. I doubt the plot of HH is all that similar to whatever the angels/demons arc in Zoophobia was supposed to be.
>Vivzie basically ripped off the whole concept of HH from that show
Dilate
>Could just as easily be some automated karmic balancing system rather than a divine higher intelligence.
Frick you.
Look, I don't like it as a philosophical message any more than you do anon, but do you really want capital-g God dragged into this extremely homosexual shitshow anyway?
Kys christcuck
But how can I do that if suicide is a sin?
Youre already committing a sin by being in my presence. Just do it
God didn’t curse Adam, but his sinning kids? Absolutely with death.
>hey you didn't do anything wrong Adam
>so I'm going to curse all your kids to die
that's a real dickmaster move, gotta say
Like father, like son.
okay why do you keep repeating this meme that Adam did not eat the fruit? It's making me feel schizo
>Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
It's never stated if Adam ate the fruit or not in this series, dumbass.
It doesn't really follow logically because pretty much everyone but Charlie, born in hell, is pretty much sinmaxing. It's part of what makes her being a Disney Princess in hell so funny.
the show isn't a some perfect bible retelling so these characters may never even show up.
Thank you.
Seriously, they listen to the line that Adam was the first one who went to heaven, and they didn’t think “wow, that must’ve suck. But does that mean there is something special about Adam that didn’t send him to Hell? How unique is this Adam compared to the one from the Bible?” Instead, it’s “oh muh fricking Abel!”
>anons consider the wider ramifications of this tidbit of lore in how it relates to the source material
>schizo focuses solely on his husbando
I did consider the ramifications of the lore, these homosexuals solely used the cain and Abel shit for the, “Abel is good enough for heaven” stick, without reading the part of nearly every human being tossed to ducking hell, the grave, because of the apple. Which means, either Adam was super righteous to go to heaven or he simply didn’t eat it because he knew it was messing Eve up.
Now that’s how you actually fricking progress a theory.
We dont even know if Adam and Eves kids are it Vivz's bible fanfic much like how we dont know if Big G is or not
Once it's in one of the biggest streaming services, it's the most popular one. Don't care how many millions of views it has on Youtube, streaming has people put on crap just to have something in the background, even moreso than YT. Having it on Prime already has it be seen on millions of eyes worldwide.
Nobody ever wants to talk about Jonah...it's always Adam, Jesus, Jacob, Michael and even Judas!
Speaking of Adam's past, why does Charlie call him a revolutionary when they first meet? Is she just blowing smoke up his ass for being the first man? And why does Adam list "sticking it to the man" as one of his requirements for getting into heaven if Lilith and Eve were the ones who rebelled because of Lucifer's influence? Who is "the man" to Adam?
[spoilers]Feel free to sit this one out, Redeemer!Adam poster, I can already guess your take.[/spoilers]
>borked tags
Aw man. Frick phone posting.
Adam stick it against Lucifer and his evil bullshit. By extension, he considers Lilith as a part of the man. The same Lilith that Adam and Lute wanted to kick out of Heaven.
First human to make it to Heaven after the Fall of Man (RIP Abel), so the first person who actually redeemed himself from sin to go to Heaven
God damn watching you schizos go back and forth about sky daddy level shit in a gay cartoon. I knew the Homestuck and Owl House crowd on this board was bad but you guys take the cake.
are angels just jannies? Do they do it for free?
God is the God of Jannies and he’s terrifying.
>he
they. God is not gendered in this universe
Same as you
there is a 0% chance Vivzie doesn't make God a woman
I just said they. They can be neither.
and you're wrong, because Vivzie WILL make God a woman. Probably cast Olga Merediz or Rita Moreno or reanimate Chita Rivera for it
maybe Priscilla Lopez, she's still alive. I don't see Rita Moreno making it much longer, she old.
Imagine god is voiced by Viv herself, but please god I want Zach Hadel as god
Should Tomar be Jesus, or the holy spirit?
god with just zach's regular voice would be pretty great.
I would accept all of these if Lyle is Satan provided he is a separate entity from Lucifer
>provided he is a separate entity from Lucifer
He is
I really do hope for Satan to be a Yosemite Sam looking Imp with big muscles and a mustache.
Who do you think helped Lucifer run his own app program? The dude doesnt look very tech savvy by himself ngl. Maybe one of the other sins helped
Angels do what they're told. They obey god, unlike humans they are not given free will. That's why any time an angel doesn't follow orders they're cast out of heaven. Lucifer, Cherubs, and Vaggie all defied god once and were immediately casted out of heaven.
Really if you like Helluva boss humor and hazbin I can't recommend Dogma enough. Especially if you're into angels in Hazbin.
Looks fun anon, I'll check it out next week.
Based.
Loona bros, is our time over?
Everybody only seems to want to talk about Lute or Adam now...
Your waifu is now OBSOLETE ha ha ha!
you know, being you didn't come out of a womb, you wouldn't have nipples or a belly button, Adam.
It's going to look really weird when you take your shirt off.
this is now a loona thread
Shut up! This is a Heaven gang thread!
based
>Lute defending her territory
cute
It’s more like cubs piling up on their lion daddy as the angry looking lioness looks around for predators.
don't cry loony
Adam adopts Loona insted of Blitzo by breaking into the Hellhound Pound on Extermination Day to get a "free" dog because he just felt like it.
>Loona adopted by Adam be like:
Erica Lindbeck is MIA
when they bring out crymini we'll see
Hold on, I have to deal with people interacting with that Alastor fricker.
I kept my eyes on Lute and Adam for a reason.
Do angels even know who God actually is? We know they reference him in the universe but it's like God is some sort of president in their universe they never get to see. They clearly have no idea how redemption works or getting sent to heaven. Who is to say that no one ever actually asked someone higher up if they met God and personally spoke to them?
>God is an absent father/already dead
Stunning originality. Bravo, Vivzie.
just like my dad irl
It's irritating that it's the same excuse every time, but it's also understandable, because you either have to make God the bad guy (the Supernatural method, when it went on too long), or you somehow have to explain why He isn't fixing everything. That said, Hazbin's 'lore' is pretty distant from the religious source material, so how or where it's going.
Helluva has declined in popularity with each episode. I think its safe to say that Hazbin is currently the winner.
Hazbin, because Niffty is Queen Roach and the songs are better than anything Disney has put out in the last 30 years.
After the shit you anons have done and experienced , I can safely say that Adam and Lute are the safest character in the show and I actually lost my lust because of them.
What does this post MEAN
He'd like to he the center of the tootsie pop
Maybe our literal God had something to do with Adam and Lute.
>was a mafioso
>list of sins most likely include but are not limited to; drug smuggling, gunrunning, murder in the dozens, prostitutemongering, abusing aforementioned prostitutes, being a gay
Angel Dust is getting exactly what he deserves with Valentino
keeping the mobster stuff was stupid. It literally adds nothing to his character other than the aesthetic of clothing and weaponry he has. Could have just made him some fricked up lounge singer trap from the 30s 40s instead.
the dog will be more popular even if they don't watch it.
helluva boss has always been the shadow to hazbin hotel
Is this the most deprived general in Cinemaphile?
the other thread is the "general"
Yeah this is the mental illness containment thread correct
actually the other thread is looking pretty fricked up right now
Lute reminds me of this character.
I care
It’s something about this look and personality that seems to follow me around. But not in the Alastor way.
For the time being Hazbin, Helluva Boss was a test run on how the audience react on their writing capability and will adjust for S2(if it ever comes out).
Helluva was only successful because it was a Hazbin side series people would watch untill Hazbin Hotel released. It mooched off most of the hype for Hazbin Hotel. Still I think Hazbin is still the more popular one as it should be since its the OG while Helluva is the sideshow.
The only correct answer ITT
I just wanna see Lucifer bully the other sins but I doubt it'll ever happen
>he bullies them for being shit versions of their sins
>Beelzebub believes in moderation
>Asmodeus believes in consent
I've been thinking about Beelzebub and Asmodeus and I think there might be decent reasons for why their behavior doesn't exactly contradict the sins they represent.
>Ozzie believes in consent because the kind of lust he represents isn't the one that makes one rape someone, but the one that, despite being consensual, makes you lose all logical thinking, throw caution to the wind and just ruin your (and other people's) life as a result, like how he was describing what Stolas' deal was. Basically the sort of lust that leads to families getting broken, friends becoming enemies and so on and so forth.
>Beelzebub is more about representing gluttony in the long run. If you overdo it once, you might get second thoughts about gorging yourself on another occasion, might get hurt or actually fricking die. But if you do somewhat moderate yourself, it ensures you can (and might want to) go and get drunk or eat like a pig again some another time.
I like this thread better
Loona thread! 😀
i missed it, or i can't remember. Did they ever say what happened to Eve in Hazbin?
She ate that apple one time and there was no mention of her ever since
Can someone redpill me on the whole Roo thing? I missed that discussion and I don't want to trawl through socmed to find out about it.
Roo is the end game villain
Root of all evil
Spoiled by Viv four years ago by posting her to her Twitter and then the JTTL wiki people figured it out because the symbol shows up a lot throughout HB and HH
Helluva is more fun (Or was more fun)
Hazbin has the single hottest guy ever.
Hazbin is pretty mid but I appreciate the high potential it has by actually doing plot shit. Thinking about what is going to happen with the Sir Pentious plotline is kino. I honestly wish there were more cartoons willing to do serious arcs and plots like this while still being entertaining, I'm sick of episodic shows and even shows with arcs that revert to the status quo between seasons. Any good recs for shows that have big shifts like Adam dying and Sir Pentious reviving in heaven over the course of the show but actually have a reasonably satisfying ending without just endless cliffhangers?
Anyone have that
>A wap! Bam! Boom! A-la-ka-zam!
Dummy face of Lucifer? Where his eyes are like a pugs and look opposite of each other.
He moronic
Ty anon
Glorious.
Quick reminder that run-of-the-mill Sinners outrank imps, hellborn and hellhounds according to Vivziepop.
Which ones are you gonna make your wienersleeve, anon?
Apparently imps are worth ruining your social life for. A sin is dating a hell hound and nobody seems to care.
Also my autism meeds one of these for heaven.
Verosika Mayday
So you're fine with having Blitz-O's sloppy-seconds?
it's pronounced Blitzo
Isn't it Blitzø?
ø
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Okay
Why are you arguing how his name is pronounced? It's "homosexual piece of shit" and anything else is WRONG
How the hell does an attempt to dis a coomer become a debate/lecture about linguistics?
Dunno
Here's another pic
it's pronounced diss
you mean spelled, pronounced is when you speak it out loud
its pronounced pronounced
seconded
moxxie, of course
This is probably why Sinners are confined to the Pride ring. They must have abused their power too much in the past, raping and/or torturing imps, hellborn and hellhounds with reckless abandon until the Seven Deadly Sins said, "Enough!" and deported them all to Lucifer's domain.
>>This is probably why Sinners are confined to the Pride ring.
where the frick are people getting all this lore? the show had nothing about the sins or ars goetia or any of this shit
https://twitter.com/IMPmurderpros/status/1337287692082503680
>2020
Where does the time go
>pride ring is a war torn ghetto full of blown of building
>the other rings have amusement parks, concerts, 5 star dining, etc.
Forget ascending, I would just want to get out of the pride ring.
If you are in Hell, then you would ruin it like all sinners do.
Imagine nuns in Catholic school going
>Do you want to end up in Hell? Where everyone is bi sexual having amazing sex, and singing, and amusement parks? Beezlebub is an awesome fox tiddy monster sings about cotton candy. Is that where you want to go? Because you'll end up there if you keep acting like that!
that's the reason they're in the pride ring. they're sinners, they are in hell as punishment. the hellborne don't need to suffer for sins because they have none, so they have better places in hell to go.
I could definitely see Ozzie having enough of dealing with people like Val all the time for centuries
Man these fricking fans. All it takes is
>Sad gay boy
Ozzie is not some defender of gay abused victims. Ozzie and Fizz are not adopting a deaf imp.
If anything he probably fricking loves Val given that his whole industry directly fuels his power base
>Run-of-the-mill Sinners outrank imps, hellborn and hellhounds according to Vivziepop.
I still don't understand what hellborn are and how they're different from Imps. At first I thought they were the children of Sinners, but then it doesn't make sense that they'd be a lower rank, since Lute mentions that 'hellborn' are exempt from extermination in HH episode 1.
Size difference, really. Imps are midgets compared to humans while Hellborn are roughly the same height as humans.
Also, Sinners are functionally immortal since they can only be "killed" permanently with angelic weapons/magic while imps, hellborn and hellhounds can be killed by mundane weaponry and supposedly have limited lifespans since we've seen a few middle-aged imps like Millie's parents.
Is this even a debate? Hazbin Hotel is currently incredibly popular even among normalgays
Helluva would have never existed without Hazbin. Therefore Hazbin is more popular. Now, when it comes to success it's hard to say since both shows have such different production approaches. As a corpo produced show, Hazbin has been a huge success so far, and Helluva as an indie production has also been a huge success. Vivziepop is just that b***h, mogs the rest of the animation commie losers.
Helluva is funner but Hazbin is of course the better series.
God I miss pilot charlie so much
Haven't watched Helluva Boss. Waiting for S2 to finish, but that'll probably be another year.
I am
HH abandoned their plot 3 episods in and they haven't gone back to doing missions since season 2 started
HB stayed true to their plot but also feels like they sped everything up by 3 seasons
I don't mind that, what I'm upset about is following characters I don't like. As if this is fricking The Mandalorian and has episode not about Mando.
Why do people still think this when the goal was to get sinners redeemed and to make even possible? Then when it was possible after Adam’s death, the main villain, Lilith would have to step in and stop it from happening in Hell?
You guys are schizo, not me.
The goal was to make the hotel functional and save sinners en masse while removing the need for exterminations. saving a single soul doesn't do that because they don't even know that soul was saved yet. If the pace is kept brisk then in season 2 they will find out and fight lilith, season 3 they will actually be able to fulfill the goal and save some most of the main cast as well as plenty of other sinners, and end the need for extermination completely by leaving a plan for all future sinners to redeem themselves if they try.
>saving a single soul doesn't do that because they don't even know that soul was saved yet.
One soul being saved is massive, and Lute is already aware souls in hell were being redeemed into Heaven before Pentious showed up to her presence.
You don't seem to understand the things I just said. The people in HELL don't know Pentious was saved. Even if Lute knew, that's completely irrelevant because Lute isn't going to tell that to Hell and Lute isn't the one that needs to know for the Hotel to be a success. The hotel is no closer to successful at the end of season 1 compared to the start, outside of something that the people in Hell don't even know about yet.
Anon, Adam and Lute sat in the same position. She is still an overseer of human souls.
And you still don't seem to understand that she doesn't want those in hell to enter heaven, she enjoys killing people in hell. she's not going to change her mind and suddenly support the hotel, she literally took part in singing a song about how she and adam thought hell should be forever and sinners deserved to stay there until she can murder them again.
No. Lute and Adam literally waited an entire year to do exterminations.
And they wanted to do other things for Sinners to make their lives better in Hell. Which Lucifer clearly doesn’t even give a damn about.
what the frick are you talking about? the things they do are shit like ripping out an angel's eye and wings for not slaughtering children, not improving the lives of people in hell. go watch the "hell is forever" song scene again.
>An angel disobeys orders
>Expect them to not be punished
What?
What’s worse is that Vaggie flat out rejected the second chance in episode 6, so she literally has no excuse.
Sodom deserves to be punished for being Sodom.
homie no one was talking about you or your headcanon
i'm guessing you got hh and hb mixed up.
Oh hey I did
Why do so many of you homies lack reading comprehension? The original purpose of this thread was to see what's the general consensus regarding which vivzshit show is more popular, not which one do you guys prefer or fap to more.
ffffffhomosexual
I stopped watching Helluva Boss when it stopped being about wacky assassins going in funny missions and started just being nonstop relationship and family drama with MYSTERIOUS TRAGIC PASTS.
Is Hazbin better at, you know, actually fricking sticking to it's premise and the tone that made it popular to begin with?
the pilot and show are kinda different in some ways but its mostly the same tone the whole way through.
Good enough, I'll check it out.
Hazbin sticks to the "let's redeem sinners" idea, but it's season 1 of a show that probably needs 3-5 seasons to have the full plot. Lots of cliffhanger details in season 1.
>tfw Hell is forever and that's no lie
I saw both shows last week without ever seeing anything pre-release.
HB > HH except in the music department. I had a hard time wrapping my head around these two shows even being made by the same person (people?). HB just has better writing, jokes, characters, and animation. There were several good action scenes which is rare for western animation. Not every episode was great, I was not into the one with Kesha. But I have rewatched several other episodes and found things I missed.
HH was a mess with only one real highlight. Apparently I should have seen the pilot on Youtube to understand things even though it isn't canon. The universe was a mess. It seemed like it was trying to parody Disney princesses except it didn't. The first episode had a lot of cringy edgy humor. Like a main character named Vaggie? The whole season you have to hear that stupid name. It was also supposed to be about an hotel except they were never there. It's also not even a hotel, it's a wayward house. It felt like that because the show had a preexisting fanbase the writers were stuck with a premise and concept that didn't really work. But you can't remove a character if it has fans. You can't not acknowledge lore if fans were already speculating on it. So you end up with things that really needed to be cut taking up so much space. The best episode was the one with Angel and Husk. The worst was the episode before it. They were great, especially their songs. Everything about Vaggie was awful and didn't make much sense. Alastor never did anything truly interesting. Charlie needed a dark side to her, she was too Rapunzel. Lucifer was funny but his relationship with Charlie made no sense. Overall the show was a mess with good musical sequences though some were very out of place.
she's called vaggie because adam loves vegana.
That doesn't make it less stupid. Like that didn't get revealed till several episodes in. So till that reveal it just seemed like her parents called her that. And it still isn't funny. If it was a minor character then at least you don't have to hear this lame joke several times and episode.
its not that funny but its in line with adam being a tryhard douche.
>you can't remove a character if it has fans
But by god did they try
Also Baxter, but he didn’t show up in Voxstagram, much less the pilot
>Pentious achieved his salvation in less than six months. But Pentious is a silly funny goofball. So it begs the question for how long does someone seriously evil like say Angel Dust who used to work as a mobster killing many people need to express good behavior before he's cleared and granted entry into Heaven? And that's not even mentioning even worse characters like Alastor and the overlords.
You're making plenty of unsafe assumptions. He didn't pop into heaven because he arbitrarily met the quota and got teleported instantly, he had to die again. For all we know people like Angel Dust also are redeemed and simply need to die like SP did. It's also not a matter of "express good behavior", one of the most basic aspects of the heaven/hell dynamic is that it's meant to be about who you truly are. It can be done quickly if someone truly means it. Charlie's methods are closer to playacting than true redemption, once it's refined they can probably get people from hell to heaven quickly if they figure out exactly how.
Verosika's butthole
Her pussy is better.
Did the show even establish Angel Dust used to be a mobster? Like I was wondering the entire time if he was in Hell for drug addiction and sex. If he weren't enslaved wouldn't he prefer hell because there are drugs and sex there without judgement? I don't think any of the episodes on Prime ever brought up him redeeming himself for murdering people. And how does that even get tested in a place were murder doesn't mean anything? And we didn't see Sir Pentious learn he shouldn't be violent? How do we know he isn't?
Apparently only indie shows get cool merch, Amazon just prints the same key art over and over for their stuff.
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/54BA0727-7DD5-4AE1-BA8F-FD285747B952
Fricking amazon
They gave you your show homosexual, without them, you wouldn't have seen it ever ever.
Viv could have easily stayed indie and make the main show without being a sell out.
But Viv gonna Viv, she can't help herself.
Then we should blame Viv. She probably could've done more to sell the merchandise the way she would've done it before if she had more backbone, but she probably just really, really wanted to sell out for her brodway cast.
>she probably just really, really wanted to sell out for her brodway cast.
That and being an industrysimp, she never were an indie champion, lol
Because God forbid people seize the opportunity to work with a major studio when it presents itself lol
Why do you people never give Zach shit for selling out to Adult Swim or Ian JQ and Parker Simmons for selling out to CN etc etc
because they hate women, obviously
Enough about God and Jesus
Where is he...
heaven
getting anally raped with a pineapple.
reincarnated as an exorcist
I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST SO BAD I WANT TO SLURP UP HER LEGS LIKE BIG NOODLES I WANT TO EAT EVERY MEAL OF MY LIFE OFF OF HER FAT breasts I WANT TO DUMP MY CUM IN HER RUMP EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I WANT TO FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK ANGEL DUST SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD PLEASE GOD FRICK I WANT TO BLAST ENDLESS BUSTS INTO HER BIG MOMMY WOMB I WANT TO GLAZE HER LIKE A DONUT WITH MY CUM FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I WANNA PUMP PUMP FRICK FRICK HER THICK BUTT I WANT TO TASTE EVERY INCH OF HER BODY OOH MMMMYYY FRICKIIINNGGG GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD PLEASE I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE IF I HAD A CHANCE TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WOULD NEVER CUM ANYWHERE ELSE BUT HER PUSSYYYYYYY PLEASE PLEASE OMMGGG IM SO HORNY WHEN I SEE ANGEL DUST I CANT STAND IT I HAVE TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WONT CUM TO ANYTHING BUT ANGEL DUST HELP ME FRICK ANGEL DUST SO HORNY FOR MOMMY ASS OMG PLEASE FRICK FRICK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK OH MY FRICKING GOD IMAGINE BEING IN HELL AND FEELING HER FAT BUTT AND THIGHS BOUNCING AGAINST YOUR wiener SHE WOULD BE STRINGING CUMS SHOOTING FAT DEMON ROPES FROM HER FAT wiener TO YOUR BELLY EVERY TIME I FELT HER AGAINST ME FRICK FRICK FRICK I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST I WANT TO FRICK ANGEL DUST
>Her
Anon, Your gay, Angel Dust is a man, Vivzie dosen't even do any troon shit in regards to him, He is a gay-man.
His 'breasts' are chest hair.
That's a man, baby.
Also, same.
>HER
>her
>her
>t.
i unironically think angel veers enough into femboy territory visually that liking him isn't very gay. that or i am coping hard. its whatever, its a sexually charged character who is andro enough to have something for everyone to find hot.
>is andro enough to have something for everyone to find hot.
You are coping but that seems to be his plan. Cought right in spider's web.
i admit i like a lot of 2d male characters. especially if they're feminine. its just a shame they're not real but i guess that's part of the appeal. 3d pig disgusting and all that. i think angel is the hottest character in the show by far but i think part of it is he's the complete and total opposite of me, and i find being a shameless prostitute hot because i'm an extremely sexually repressed and shy person and a part of me have always secretly thought being a huge wienerbawd is hot and appealing. opposites attract and all that.
>angel veers enough into femboy territory visually that liking him isn't very gay
That's still gay, very gay in fact.
gay for 2d characters sure.
>her
You actually read the rant. You did more than me.
>No Lucifer valentine's merch
Suffering
No hazbin valentine's merch at all.
At least I can buy some pins
Which ever shows pusssy first
Charlie might be the single cutest thing I've ever seen in a show but Blitzo is my boy.
Shit that's cute
Oh hey, you can actually read the script for the porn in episode 4.
>Ah nooooooooo, what if I like it nooooooooo
this is just a collection of Cinemaphile shitposts, all that's missing is haha
kino. frick that manjaw b***h Chandler for sabotaging another one of Val's soulful masterpieces
>Wait no! That's gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Oh it's about to get gayer.
Pretty much sums up Hellaverse.
Now I want to see Billy Herrington come down from the heavens and star in this porno
>The burglars proceed to frick the pure boy for two hours on screen
kek
Neither, though HB had the better first season, shame its second was god awful.
Beelzebub song is better than most of the hazbin songs
that's the worst take I've heard about HH music so far
who in their right mind liked the Beelzebub song??? It was bad on purpose
COTTON CANDYYYYYY was so bad I was shocked most of the Hazbin songs turned out decent.
If we are going on songs with just the sake of singing, I really don't like Fizzarolli singing or the lyrics of his songs.
Look at this was dumb
His frick you song was stupid
It wasn't that bad. Sure it was a run-of-the-mill pop music number but it fit the scene. I mean, what else do you expect to play at what is essentially a wild teen or college frat party?
Hazbin for the simple reason that the songs are better. There's also a character for everyone in the show. Typically in a show there's one or two stand out characters that most people pick as their favorite but it seems like every main character gets love with the exception of Vaggie, even the "bad" guys.
Helluva Boss is great, but the songs aren't as catchy or well produced and Loona is the main stand out character - and she hasn't even been in the newer episodes. The show has kind of abandoned the original plot and backed itself into a corner with Stolas/Blitzo.
Let's have a consensus, what character has the most male fans and what character has the most female fans?
I feel like Valentino has the most female fans
Loona and Adam have the most male fans. Stolas and Angel Dust have the most female fans. Sir Pentious has equal amounts of love.
Forgot which thread it was but someone wanted a count of Vaggie vs Alastor touching Charlie. So I went ahead and did it. This also includes the pilot.
I admire the dedication for keeping track of something as autistic as this
What can I say other than I was bored?
>Writes a note that this is initiated by them and not Charlie
Do you think he knows a relationship is a two way street or was this meant to prove Alatsor is an incel
This note was made because since Charlie is in a relationship with Vaggie, she would be touching her girlfriend a lot more freely than she's touching Alastor.
There's also the whole 'Alastor hates being touched' and he's the one that usually initiates touching someone else.
then why'd you include the pilot where they're not in a relationship?
Nice. Proves Alastor has more experience touching Charlie's body than Vaggie does.
bro (sis?) you gotta accept it's not gonna be canon
>no fun allowed.jpg
you consider that fun?
Silence, viv. Charlastor is gonna happen. I make it happen with sigils
I accept that. What's your point?
I wrote a silly God scene with Adam. Is it okay to post it here?
Yes
>A dimension of peaceful darkness, with lights flickering in-and-out
>Adam. Adam. Open your eyes. My unblemished Lamb.
>Adam: Father? Is it really you? My old man?
>I am that I am. The same God in the beginning and in the end. Untainted by creation.
>I’ve seen those tears dropped down on your face in my glorious heavens. Is my best and purest craft not good enough for you. Was your heart stolen by the Sinners? The filth of my creation!
>Adam: But Abel, Cain, and Seth. They all did good in life. They repented.
>In their sins? My child, their good deeds are nothing but filthy rags before me. Till their sins are paid in full, they shall never touch the Heavens. The only truly good man to exist is you.
>Adam: But father, they never had a chance. They didn’t chose the apple.
>And they’ve chosen sin over light. Over me. Only when their sins are paid in full, they shall live in the light.
>Adam: If nothing they did is valuable to you, it’s impossible!
>But under you, it isn’t. You can save your most righteous children. Your deeds mean everything to me. You will one day overcome the Serpent and save them all under your blood.
>Adam: But father, he’s the most powerful and brightest seraphim ever created and I am just a stupid fat simp!
>Did I not create man to be greater than the heavens. Did I not given you the most glorious wings in all of Heaven! All built in my image? I created Lucifer. I am greater than him! You are greater than him!
>Adam: (Holds his hands over his eyes, terrified by the booming wrath of the Lord.)
>Son. Son. You must relax your heart and listen closely. Eve will not return to you. She is foregone. Nothing you do can save her.
>Adam: No.. NO YOU DON’T- (His mouth is closed shut by force and he whimpers once more.)
>It is her choice. Her darkness grows by its roots every day. And no light can cut it out except the light she lost so long ago.
>Adam: (Feels his tears being wiped away by an invisible hand)
>You mustn’t cry, my son. I built the heavens for my children to enjoy, did I not. I am pleased by your works on earth and in my heavens. I stored a grand treasure here that can never be replaced. Built to complete your hollowed heart.
>Adam: (Feels himself drifting away) Father, don’t go. Don’t leave me. I need you! I need you!
>Adam, my beloved son. Bring love to her just I did to you.
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helluva because it has stolas
Disgusting
Whatever, Simon.
>I wash my cloaca with a rag on a stick
This is made by the staff?
This is one piece tiers of ridiculous.
What is cuddling with Adam like?
Hazbins probably more popular but Helluva will get more long term discussion most of the year just cause it'll actually be releasing episodes.. but Hazbin will utterly swamp it again when it comes out with it's second season. Helluva's crazy ass "when their done" release schedule is both a blessing and a curse in that way, it makes people get more annoyed when their favorites aren't in focus because it takes FOREVER to get through a few episodes but it does keep the show in peoples minds since it pops back up every few months.
Helluva will still easily be beating basically every other Youtube show that isn't ADC (Unless that totally flops the transition into a proper series then it might end up back on top anyway) though.
But yeah even at the peak of Helluva's popularity i wasn't seeing it getting the sheer amount of art, fanfiction, song covers and stuff Hazbin is now.
>Alatsor touching Charlie
She's a big girl
What would Charlie and Al's first date be
He ghosts her 🙂 :3 <3
The breakfast scene from episode 3 but with Charlie awkwardly trying her absolute best to not throw up as she very, VERY reluctantly eats tiny pieces off of the deer corpse that Alastor is sharing with her.
It's unfortunate that I guess A24 and Amazon have to approve most Hazbin merch now, might not of bought it but I sure as hell wanted to see Saucy Lucifier and stuff lol (at least they managed to get Alastor in there... with his "Saucy" mat being him.. with his tie off and coat unbuttoned and that's it lol.
would
Built for fingering
This is the only good relationship in the show
I actually think all the canon relationships are pretty well done compared to most cartoons, refreshing really that they can show them at different stages.
Big hopes on Adam/Lute too
Husk and his bottle? I agree
Both are straight ass.