Original Marty is alive, just in a different timeline.
BTTF 2 and 3 are the Marty that grew up with the wealthy and confident George/Lorraine, which is why he's so worked up about the "chicken" thing in 2 and 3 but in Part 1 is worried about rejection.
>BTTF 2 and 3 are the Marty that grew up with the wealthy and confident George/Lorraine
No he didn't. At the end of Part 1 he goes to sleep in his 1985 home and when he wakes up he has no idea that everything is so different.
That would explain why he's suddenly "chicken" out of nowhere in the sequels.
But how is he not the OG Marty? He exists outside of time thanks to the time machine.
>But how is he not the OG Marty? He exists outside of time thanks to the time machine.
Second Marty goes into the time machine too. He presumably goes through a similar experience as OG Marty in 1955
You're moronic. The Marty that returns from 1955 is the same Marty that left from 1985. He remembers that Biff smashed the car in the original 1985 timeline, but of course that didn't happen in the new 1985 timeline. Marty has zero knowledge of this new 1985 timeline. He says to Dave (his brother) "what are you wearing?" and Dave says "I always wear a suit to the office". In the old 1985 timeline Dave worked at some fast food restaurant and had a uniform.
What are you talking about? Biff smashed the car after the adventure in 1955. Both Martys experienced a BTTF 1 like movie. But we're watching a different version of Part 1 than the version that we see in Part 2 and 3 went through. Only slightly. Much of the details would still be the same as history repeats itself in these movies.
>Second Marty goes into the time machine too.
Oh! So your theory says that these were always two separate timelines?
The Marty that grew up poor and humble (Marty A) and The Marty that grew up rich and spoiled (Marty B) both got into time machines at the exact same time.
Am I close?
Here's what I'm getting at >Poor Marty lives original timeline >BTTF 1 happens >Marty arrives at "Lone Pine Mall" and wakes up to a rich family, different from what he grew up with because of his changes to the timeline in 1955. >The Marty that this Marty witnesses travel back in time at "Lone Pine", the Marty who would've grown up with the rich family, is the one we see in BTTF Part 2 and 3. Him, or another version further down the line. >This second Marty is still going back to 1955 and is likely to have a near identical adventure to the Marty from the poor timeline. The loop is secure, but there will be slight alterations because it's a slightly different Marty from a different upbringing.
>Biff smashed the car after the adventure in 1955.
No he didn't, moron. At the beginning of the movie Biff crashes George's car in 1985. Marty goes back in time to 1955, changes the past, and now in new 1985 Biff doesn't crash George's car (but Marty still remembers that he did). >Both Martys experienced a BTTF 1 like movie. But we're watching a different version of Part 1 than the version that we see in Part 2 and 3 went through. Only slightly. Much of the details would still be the same as history repeats itself in these movies.
All this homosexual bleddit headcanon.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Getting this worked up
Go outside, get laid, jesus. >Totaled car 1985
He never mentions that in Part 2 or 3
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Go outside, get laid, jesus.
Wow >losing argument >"herr terr touch grass incel" >He never mentions that in Part 2 or 3
Why would he? It was a plot point from the first movie (and a very minor one at that).
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Losing an argument
Nobody lost anything >Why would he?
Your whole point is that he remembers that. Which is not provable as it never comes up. The Marty at the end of Part 1 is still the Marty from Part 1 moron.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody lost anything
Yeah, that's why you went to "have sex incel" terminology. >Your whole point is that he remembers that. Which is not provable as it never comes up.
He literally does remember. Marty in new 1985 says "I can't take Jennifer to the lake, the car is wrecked" and they all go "WRECKED? When did this happen?" and of course the car is fine. This Marty continues in to part 2 and 3. The Marty that left from Lone Pine Mall is never seen again.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, that's why you went to "have sex incel" terminology.
Yeah because you're being hysteric about Back to the Future. Imagine being an adult man and getting this upset about an 80s family comedy.
>He literally does remember. Marty in new 1985 says "I can't take Jennifer to the lake, the car is wrecked" and they all go "WRECKED? When did this happen?" and of course the car is fine.
This happens in Part 1, which is still following Marty from Part 1. This doesn't happen in Part 2. Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening. With a new Jennifer and some different aspects to the conversation with Doc. Part 2 is the timeline of that second Marty. Maybe even a third Marty from the end of second Marty's experience in the 1955 loop.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>. This doesn't happen in Part 2. Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening
What the frick are you talking about. Part 1 ends with Jennifer, Marty and Doc going to 2015. Part 2 begins with the same scene. Both are just 5 minutes after the "the car isn't wrecked" conversation from inside the house. > Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening. With a new Jennifer and some different aspects to the conversation with Doc.
WOW. They had to change the Jennifer actress because the actresses mom got cancer you fricking moron. This "new Jennifer" isn't a result of time travel shenanigans. And any "conversation changes" are because it's 4 years later, the producers didnt' plan a sequel, and had to make some adjustments to this new film. > Part 2 is the timeline of that second Marty.
No it isn't you fricking moron. Then where did Marty 1 go? Did he magically disappear?
Fricking kys
Oh shut I think I just got what you are trying to say. Every timeliness already has a Marty, like when he goes to the future there is old Marty, so the question becomes where is alternate 1985 Marty? Am I getting this? Seems to me like a pothole tbh, although one I never noticed.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Time seems to exist on multiple planes in BTTF. Technically Marty should disappear the moment he stops George from getting hit by the car, but instead he slowly fades until the exact moment when his mistake can be fixed. Similarly, the timeline remains intact in Part 2 after old Biff gives himself the Almanac long enough for him to return to his original 2015. I believe that's why Marty and Jennifer aren't missing from 2015 when their younger versions travel forward in time.
But yeah, in every timeline Marty is going to go back to 1955 and basically live the adventure of Back to the Future Part 1, Part 2 and then Part 3. And at the end of every Back to the Future Part 1, he witnesses the next guy go back in time.
>. This doesn't happen in Part 2. Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening
What the frick are you talking about. Part 1 ends with Jennifer, Marty and Doc going to 2015. Part 2 begins with the same scene. Both are just 5 minutes after the "the car isn't wrecked" conversation from inside the house. > Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening. With a new Jennifer and some different aspects to the conversation with Doc.
WOW. They had to change the Jennifer actress because the actresses mom got cancer you fricking moron. This "new Jennifer" isn't a result of time travel shenanigans. And any "conversation changes" are because it's 4 years later, the producers didnt' plan a sequel, and had to make some adjustments to this new film. > Part 2 is the timeline of that second Marty.
No it isn't you fricking moron. Then where did Marty 1 go? Did he magically disappear?
Fricking kys
>Part 2 begins with the same scene
Part 2 begins with a slightly different scene involving a different actress as Jennifer and different takes/line deliveries from Doc and Marty. It's not an identical scene, and we don't see the wrecked car moment freak out moment before it like we did at the end of Part 1, so we cannot assume the same scene took place in Part 2. >WOW. They had to change the Jennifer actress because the actresses mom got cancer you fricking moron. This "new Jennifer" isn't a result of time travel shenanigans. And any "conversation changes" are because it's 4 years later, the producers didnt' plan a sequel, and had to make some adjustments to this new film.
That is the behind the scenes explanation, yes. Good job.
>. This doesn't happen in Part 2. Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening
What the frick are you talking about. Part 1 ends with Jennifer, Marty and Doc going to 2015. Part 2 begins with the same scene. Both are just 5 minutes after the "the car isn't wrecked" conversation from inside the house. > Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening. With a new Jennifer and some different aspects to the conversation with Doc.
WOW. They had to change the Jennifer actress because the actresses mom got cancer you fricking moron. This "new Jennifer" isn't a result of time travel shenanigans. And any "conversation changes" are because it's 4 years later, the producers didnt' plan a sequel, and had to make some adjustments to this new film. > Part 2 is the timeline of that second Marty.
No it isn't you fricking moron. Then where did Marty 1 go? Did he magically disappear?
Fricking kys
>Then where did Marty 1 go? Did he magically disappear?
He's living in his original timeline after having gone through his own version of BTTF Part 2 and maybe even 3.
5 months ago
Anonymous
But what happened to the Marty who grew up in rich family? You're telling me that the exact moment original Marty arrived to rich family timeliness, rich Marty just so happened to be going on his own unrelated time adventure? Sounds dumb.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>timeliness
Timeline
Sorry I am new to being a phonegay and it keeps changing words for no reason
5 months ago
Anonymous
>But what happened to the Marty who grew up in rich family?
He's the Marty in Part 2 and 3. Him, or the Marty that comes after his loop. At that point it doesn't matter. But the Marty in Part 2 and 3 grew up with the rich family. Part 1 is the Marty that grew up poor and changed the timeline originally.
Rich Marty goes on the same 1955 Back to the Future 1 adventure, we just don't see his version apart from the pieces we see in the background in the second half of Part 2. But it's going to be more or less identical to BTTF Part 1.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>He's the Marty in Part 2 and 3.
Don't listen to this homosexual. He's basing this insane theory on the fact that Claudia Wells couldn't reprise her role for BTTF part 2/3 and they had to recast her. In his mind this "recast" proves that this is not the same Marty/Jennifer/Doc in part 2 that were at the end of part 1. The most bleddit garbage I've ever read.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Hmmm, wouldn't rich family Doc be aware of the original Marty showing up in 1955, and you're telling me he let rich Marty go to 1955 again even after narrowly avoiding the original disaster? Sorry Anon, but I think they just messed up the plot.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Part 2 begins with a slightly different scene involving a different actress as Jennifer and different takes/line deliveries from Doc and Marty. It's not an identical scene, and we don't see the wrecked car moment freak out moment before it like we did at the end of Part 1, so we cannot assume the same scene took place in Part 2.
FRICKING KYS.
It's not the "same scene" because the original Jennifer actress didn't return to the production. They couldn't just show the Claudia Wells scene from the end of part 1 and the beginning of part 2, because when they are all in the time machine in 2015 and Doc knocks out Jennifer it would show that it's a completely different actress. So they RE-FILMED the "How about a ride, mister?" scene with Elisabeth Shue for continuity sake. Again HOLY FRICK. Your entire argument is based on a casting change! >That is the behind the scenes explanation, yes. Good job.
kys >He's living in his original timeline after having gone through his own version of BTTF Part 2 and maybe even 3.
Headcanon nonsense (all based on a fricking casting change).
5 months ago
Anonymous
Lol you're so mad
5 months ago
Anonymous
>lol why u mad tho
I'm just shell shocked that you are using a casting change to base your entire shitty argument upon. Movies are a business, shit happens, but the show must go on. Based on your logic anytime an actor takes over the role of a previous actor it's "zomg there was a dimensional shift and this character isn't the same as before".
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm just shell shocked that you are using a casting change to base your entire shitty argument upon. >I'm just shell shocked >shell shocked
You must be a zoomer then if you're this Low T. You used to get shell-shocked from fighting in war. Not witnessing an opinion on a comedy movie that you disagree with.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You must be a zoomer then if you're this Low T. You used to get shell-shocked from fighting in war. Not witnessing an opinion on a comedy movie that you disagree with.
I'm older than you homosexual. And yes, you're right bad opinions and theories shouldn't shell shock me, but yours is so fricking stupid I can't still can't fricking believe it. How many upvotes and gold did this theory get you?
5 months ago
Anonymous
None, because we're not on reddit. And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
Hmmm, wouldn't rich family Doc be aware of the original Marty showing up in 1955, and you're telling me he let rich Marty go to 1955 again even after narrowly avoiding the original disaster? Sorry Anon, but I think they just messed up the plot.
>Hmmm, wouldn't rich family Doc be aware of the original Marty showing up in 1955, and you're telling me he let rich Marty go to 1955 again even after narrowly avoiding the original disaster?
Absolutely. He doesn't want to destroy the timeline and cause a paradox.
5 months ago
Anonymous
So then how and why does rich Marty go back in time? Did Doc do it intentionally so that there wouldn't be two Marty's in rich family 1985?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yes
>None, because we're not on reddit.
This is a pure bleddit theory. I'm sure you posted it there. I'm sure you got some updoots and gold. >And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
I already did. You are basing it on no evidence other than a fricking casting change that was necessary. Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story. Also, rich Marty would probably have a very different personality from poor Marty. But in Part 2 and 3 it's the same personality...because it's poor Marty.
kys
gay
[...]
[...]
Alternate universes or time loops explain these plotholes away. Or both.
this
5 months ago
Anonymous
>gay
What a retort. Keep losing, you bleddit homosexual.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>bleddit >Still pissing your pants over BTTF
Fricked your mother last night btw. Your real one. Not the one that gave you away because you were so frick ugly.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just glad I btfo your incredibly shitty theory.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You couldn't even poke one hole in it. You just pissed your pants in anger because it existed. >nOOOOooooOOOO YOU CANT HAV EA THEORYYYYY
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You couldn't even poke one hole in it.
I literally did, you just ignored it.
>None, because we're not on reddit.
This is a pure bleddit theory. I'm sure you posted it there. I'm sure you got some updoots and gold. >And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
I already did. You are basing it on no evidence other than a fricking casting change that was necessary. Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story. Also, rich Marty would probably have a very different personality from poor Marty. But in Part 2 and 3 it's the same personality...because it's poor Marty.
kys
And your entire theory hinges on a casting change. SAD
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I literally did, you just ignored it.
You didn't. You couldn't poke one hole. You were offended by the notion.
Poor and Rich Marty have different personalities. Poor Marty is insecure and can't stand rejection. Rich Marty grew up with a chad father and can't live with anybody thinking he's a chicken. Which was the other main reason for the theory. Which you sadly overlooked because you lack the mental capacity.
Do we not follow lone pine Marty in the movies? Reresh my memory
Twin Pines in the first one, Lone Pine in the sequels.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You didn't. You couldn't poke one hole. You were offended by the notion.
I literally gave a bunch. And your theory has no evidence. I can just as easily say that the woman that gave Marty the "Save the Clocktower" flyer is Jennifer from the future. > Poor Marty is insecure and can't stand rejection. Rich Marty grew up with a chad father and can't live with anybody thinking he's a chicken.
Those aren't "personalities" those are character flaws. We all have them, and the movies explored various versions of Marty's flaws as a character. Rich Marty would dress differently, have a different outlook on life, wouldn't have been as tough as poor Marty, etc.
You are legit moronic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I literally gave a bunch. And your theory has no evidence. I can just as easily say that the woman that gave Marty the "Save the Clocktower" flyer is Jennifer from the future.
There's nothing to support that. And you gave nothing. >Those aren't "personalities" those are character flaws.
Differing ones that are not consistent with one another. >Rich Marty would dress differently and have a different outlook on life
According to what? He's still a child of the 80s living in the same neighborhood. Just the general quality of life is better.
Poor baby.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>There's nothing to support that.
Neither does your theory, either than a fricking casting change. >And you gave nothing.
Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story.
AND if rich Marty replaces poor Marty at the beginning of BTT2, the idea of both rich Marty and poor Marty getting the SAME, BRAND NEW TRUCK on the EXACT SAME DAY would be a quadrillion trillion to one. It's just not mathematically possible. >Differing ones that are not consistent with one another.
Sure they are. Marty fears rejection, and doesn't like to be pushed around and stands up for himself in part 1. In part 2 he still doesn't like to be pushed around and still stands up for himself. The only difference is the "chicken" thing, but oh now BTTF part 1 didn't explore every single flaw of Marty and they added something new in part 2. >According to what? He's still a child of the 80s living in the same neighborhood. Just the general quality of life is better.
Rich kids dress better. Just the way it's always been.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>would be a quadrillion trillion to one. It's just not mathematically possible.
rich people get new cars all the time
5 months ago
Anonymous
>rich people get new cars all the time
So you think in 2 different timelines, 2 different Marty's got the exact same truck on the exact same day? Come on. It's not possible.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you're dumb. shit lines up in the multiple timelines frequently
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh okay, you just have autism. I get it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh okay, you just have autism. I get it.
Says the the homosexual that thinks a casting change led to another Marty in BTTF 2/3... >you're dumb. shit lines up in the multiple timelines frequently
But THAT fricking precisely? Come on. You are saying that Jennifer looks different because of time travel shenanigans when in reality it's a casting change.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>None, because we're not on reddit.
This is a pure bleddit theory. I'm sure you posted it there. I'm sure you got some updoots and gold. >And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
I already did. You are basing it on no evidence other than a fricking casting change that was necessary. Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story. Also, rich Marty would probably have a very different personality from poor Marty. But in Part 2 and 3 it's the same personality...because it's poor Marty.
kys
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah Anon I think I'm with you this, seems to me like they just swept the idea of rich Marty existing under the rug and hoping no one noticed, which worked on me until this thread brought it up. They probably didn't want a scene where original Marty murdered and disposed of rich Marty to take his place. Plothole clear and simple
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah Anon I think I'm with you this, seems to me like they just swept the idea of rich Marty existing under the rug and hoping no one noticed
Wow. Both Marty's exist. Let me explain it
Poor Marty >goes to 1955 >has adventures >returns to 1985 >watches "rich" Marty go in to time machine at lone pine mall >poor Marty goes to house and takes over rich Marty's life
But where is rich Marty? >rich Marty time travels from lone pine mall >a new timeline is created >rich Marty has adventures in 1955 like poor Marty >does he return to 1985? We don't know. This timeline is never explored.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This is an acceptable explanation as well. Time is like a web in this case with alternate universe and timelines constantly interacting with, branching off from, and collapsing into one another.
Personally, I think that Doc is responsible for most of this stuff. Most people don't think about it but by the end of BTTF 3 he is basically a God, and I think he went throughout time to make the best of all possible worlds that could logically exist in his little corner of the multiverse.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If you want to disregard the "multiple timeline" theory, you could also say that rich Marty didn't make it out of 1955. Maybe the lightning bolt blew up the DeLoreon and Doc just buried the body and junked the car. This would essentially kill the loop
5 months ago
Anonymous
>This would essentially kill the loop
no, because rich marty would have gone back to the same place and time as poor marty initially did.
I like to think that both Marty's trying to occupy the same space when they go back to 1955 causes the rich marty to be completely vaporized or removed from existence altogether, that way everything is clean. >poor marty goes to 1955 >poor marty returns to the future >he sees rich marty attempt to go to 1955 >rich marty tries to go to the exact moment that poor marty went to >he can't do that, so he simply disappears
further proof of this is that when poor marty goes back to 1955 in bttf2 he sees himself from the first movie. this means that going to the past doesn't overwrite past time travel journeys.
it's simple, really.
5 months ago
Anonymous
oh, I should also add that the writers never planned for any of this, so it definitely isn't true. you can't apply real logic to these movies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>This timeline is never explored.
my headcannon is that he gets committed to an insane asylum and is forgotten by the system.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>my headcannon is that he gets committed to an insane asylum and is forgotten by the system.
This is totally an option. "Poor" Marty was someone who was hardened by life and could handle all this shit. "Rich" Marty might be some latte drinking pussy for all we know and has a breakdown in 1955 and they throw him in the loony bin. (like the guy from "Dark")
5 months ago
Anonymous
kek. exactly what I was thinking. I was just too lazy to type it out.
5 months ago
Anonymous
But you said bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty, but that Marty wouldn't be the same person or have memories of poor family time-line, but it's clearly the Marty in all movies. You never really addressed why Doc would send another Marty back to 1955 after he already lived through the near catastrophic events of the first time Marty showed up in 1955 and he had to help him. If the argument was that Doc sent him back to avoid 2 Marty's in rich time-line then makes more sense, but doesn't doc show up almost immediately from the future and take Marty to the future? Plothole explains all of this better than this convoluted theory tbh
5 months ago
Anonymous
>But you said bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty,
I did not, that was the other anon that I was arguing with. That theory is moronic. The Marty in BTTF 2/3 is the same as 1. He based his entire theory on the fact that they had to change the Jennifer actress and that this was "proof" of the rich Marty timeline going forward after part 1.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh okay, my bad
5 months ago
Anonymous
>None, because we're not on reddit.
This is a pure bleddit theory. I'm sure you posted it there. I'm sure you got some updoots and gold. >And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
I already did. You are basing it on no evidence other than a fricking casting change that was necessary. Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story. Also, rich Marty would probably have a very different personality from poor Marty. But in Part 2 and 3 it's the same personality...because it's poor Marty.
kys
None, because we're not on reddit. And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
[...] >Hmmm, wouldn't rich family Doc be aware of the original Marty showing up in 1955, and you're telling me he let rich Marty go to 1955 again even after narrowly avoiding the original disaster?
Absolutely. He doesn't want to destroy the timeline and cause a paradox.
Alternate universes or time loops explain these plotholes away. Or both.
>Second Marty goes into the time machine too.
Oh! So your theory says that these were always two separate timelines?
The Marty that grew up poor and humble (Marty A) and The Marty that grew up rich and spoiled (Marty B) both got into time machines at the exact same time.
>The Marty that grew up poor and humble (Marty A) and The Marty that grew up rich and spoiled (Marty B) both got into time machines at the exact same time.
This is the premise of a Cracked video I saw about a decade ago.
>This is the premise of a Cracked video I saw about a decade ago.
Still holds up (by Cinemaphile standards). Swaim was the GOAT. Wonder what him and Dan are up to? I know the Soren guy landed a gig writing for some late night show
You're moronic. The Marty that returns from 1955 is the same Marty that left from 1985. He remembers that Biff smashed the car in the original 1985 timeline, but of course that didn't happen in the new 1985 timeline. Marty has zero knowledge of this new 1985 timeline. He says to Dave (his brother) "what are you wearing?" and Dave says "I always wear a suit to the office". In the old 1985 timeline Dave worked at some fast food restaurant and had a uniform.
>Original Marty goes back in time >Changes to the timeline either erase the original or simply move original Marty to a separate one depending on your interpretation of time travel >Original Marty is sent back to the 80s and his consciousness overwrites the new timeline Marty which is why he's experienced different things but only remembers the original timeline
>his consciousness overwrites
Stop with the metaphysical nonsense you fricking homosexual.
Marty is sent back to the 80s and his consciousness overwrites the new timeline Marty which is why he's experienced different things but only remembers the original timeline
We literally see rich Marty leave the timeline at the parking lot mall you fricking tardo.
Parts 2 and 3 do not feature Part 1 Marty. That Marty's story ended with the first movie. The Marty in the sequels is the one we saw go back in time at the Lone Pine Mall towards the end of the first one. We're following his story.
>The Marty in the sequels is the one we saw go back in time at the Lone Pine Mall towards the end of the first one. We're following his story.
Only a moronic bledditor like you keeps posting this shit theory.
>I'm a different guy, moron.
It's not. Rich Marty goes to 1955 and we never see him again. Poor Marty continues into BTTF 2/3. You saying otherwise like a tardo doesn't change that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
What? I'm saying that you're talking to a different anon. Are you moronic?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>What? I'm saying that you're talking to a different anon. Are you moronic?
If you believe his stupid theory, then you are just as moronic as he is.
5 months ago
Anonymous
There is only one Marty, which is the Marty we follow. He is Poor Marty until he changes things and then he becomes Rich Marty from that point forward.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then who is the guy that the Marty We Follow sees jumping into the Delorean to escape the terrorists?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Marty We Follow seeing his own past
5 months ago
Anonymous
Marty We Follow never lived in that timeline before that moment. It could not have been him jumping into the Delorean there. It was rich Marty who grew up with a fit mother and confident dad.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No the timeline doesnt change until after Poor Marty leaves. Present Marty watches himself leave, just like how he watches himself on stage in Bttf2
>Marty, we need to go back to the past! >But how, Doc, we don't have the Delorean! >The timestream hasn't fully changed yet, we have one chance, the basement of James Rolfe!
he was unmade utterly, his time frickery deleted the mother and father and every person he touched in any way in his selfish shakefilled life
Michael j fox is an butthole
I always thought it was just a joke that they had Fox put on a wig and use a high pitched voice to play his own daughter, but then 2023 came along and I realized xshex had always been a trans icon.
>when your at 557 tabs because every page has like 12 things you wanna look at "in a sec" but theres still 128 pages to check on the combo of tags your searching
Back then fax machines were rare and expensive and seen as very useful and something that every company should have
They extrapolated this into a future in which is so extended, that its use it's commonplace in your HOUSE, so common and by extention, affordable, than in Marty's house they not only have one fax machine, but fricking 3
That's great writting
He is the original marty. Imagine the old timeline is like a floor in a building and everyone goes left to right room to room.
Marty just went through the basement back to 1955, changed the flow of time then went back to 1985 and reinserted himself. The old time line was changed and it added another layer of timeline. But no matter what happens he always hops out of time I'm 1985 because it already happened. Then he goes to the future then hops back to the past adding another 2 layers. Then further back in 3 and he adds another layer..
He's moving sideways through time and adding layers you are just following him and it's relative.
If you were outside of the entire universe everyone of Marty's actions would show up happening at the same time and gradually recondensing into a singular timeline unless he kept fricking with it. Inception works the same way. R pat can be brought back.
There’re flaws with all theories. I stick with a Legacy of Kain kind of deal where Time just flows around inconsequential people/events and corrects itself of something major happens. Since we’re perpetually following one particular Marty and only really seeing things from his viewpoint it’s a mystery what all other Marties see/experience. Time fixes itself around all the changes. It’s a Hollywood movie pretty much written on the back of a napkin in the 80s, I wouldn’t go too crazy over it.
After some thought, all events in the trilogy are the same Marty, and everything shown on screen is a seamless time-line of events following Marty around. At no point is rich Marty ever seen or mentioned, he simply does not exist, which is the plothole. There is zero mention or hint of him going back in time as far as I can remember(granted it has been some years since I have seen the movies) so any theory mentioned IIT about it are 100% out of anus.
>Rich Marty went back in time at the end of BTTF 1 then fricked up and created the poor timeline which the Marty from BTTF1 comes from.
This is funny lol. This is Marty's loop. Poor Marty creates rich Marty through time travel, and then rich Marty creates poor Marty through time travel.
>How does rich Marty create poor Marty?
This is another anons theory, but it makes sense >poor Marty lives his life in fricked up family home >poor Marty goes back to 1955 >makes the lives of his parents better >poor Marty gets back to 1985 >poor Marty watches rich Marty time travel from the mall parking lot >poor Marty goes home and sees a happy, wealthy family
Story over? Nope >rich Marty now in 1955 just like poor Marty was >rich Marty is a soft pussy and lets Biff walk all over him, doesn't help his dad get confidence, etc >as a result of this Lorraine and George create poor, fricked up home for their kids (this creates "poor" Marty) >rich Marty time travels back to 1985 >rich Marty sees poor Marty go back in time at the mall parking lot >rich Marty goes home and sees that his family is dirt poor and Biff is bullying his dad. In rich Marty's life George always had the edge over Biff and Biff was subservient.
>At no point is rich Marty ever seen or mentioned, he simply does not exist, which is the plothole.
It's not a plot hole. We don't know what happens to him and there are numerous explanations as to why that is >time travel creates a new timeline and you can never return to your original timeline (so essentially we are following original Marty across numerous timelines and he never gets back to his timeline where his family is poor) >the rich Marty that we see time travel from lone pine mall doesn't succeed in escaping 1955 (he's beaten to death by Biff; he gets thrown in an insane asylum; the Delorean explodes from the lightning, etc) >rich Marty doesn't die, but doesn't have the means to get back to 1985. Remember he only knew how to get back because he had the "Save the Clocktower" flyer. Maybe rich Marty didn't hang out near the clock tower? Maybe he was at a fancy coffee place and didn't get the flyer? As a result he is stuck in 1955 and is in his 40s in 1985 because that's how he lives his life going forward
No, because rich Marty time-line is the continuation of the new 1955 time-line, therefore the Doc in rich 1985 time-line is the same Doc from 1955 that helped original Marty get back to 1985 with the clock tower. Why would that Doc grow up to send rich Marty back to 1955 and rich Marty is just in the dark about everything?
>Why would that Doc grow up to send rich Marty back to 1955 and rich Marty is just in the dark about everything?
Because he knows that the loop must be maintained (or he has to kill one of the Marty's). Letting rich Marty go back to 1955 is the best path forward. Telling him too much might frick it up, because remember 1955 Doc already successfully got Marty back to 1985 with the lightning strike. Doc is just trying his best to repeat what happened.
That would just create more time-lines in my opinion, because rich Marty would have to know to create poor Marty to close the loop, which seems implausible, and if it were true he would literally be sacrificing himself to the poor time-line. If that doesn't happen however, then rich Marty would create another time-line messing things up even more. Also we never see rich Marty in original 1955, and if he is hiding or something, then his presence is inconsequential to rich 1985, it just isn't adding up. For every problem you give a solution, but that solution create more problems. This is why I said it's just a plot hole.
>because rich Marty would have to know to create poor Marty to close the loop
He doesn't have to know, but it has to happen. And if it doesn't (if rich Marty is killed in 1955) then whatever because a Marty will still be born of George and Lorraine. >This is why I said it's just a plot hole.
All of time travel stories are. It's fun to talk about, but the reality is if was possible it would be unexplainable.
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Anonymous
Yeah it's fun to talk about, BTW isn't Marty at lone pine mall the same Marty? This is why one of the anons was saying that bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty I think, but that doesn't make sense. So this theory hinges on lone pine Marty being rich Marty, but I always thought it was the same Marty, like I said it has been sime time since I watched the movies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
it's not the same marty, THAT wouldn't make much sense.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe I just need to re-watch the movies, because if it isn't the same Marty then means bttf 2 and 3 Marty is not original Marty, which also doesn't make sense because he acts the same and has the same memories.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>if it isn't the same Marty then means bttf 2 and 3 Marty is not original Marty
no, it doesn't mean that at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Do we not follow lone pine Marty in the movies? Reresh my memory
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Do we not follow lone pine Marty in the movies? Reresh my memory
No. Lone Pine Marty disappears. We NEVER see him again. Poor (or Twin Pines) Marty is who we see living with a rich family, getting a truck and doing BTTF 2/3.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>because if it isn't the same Marty then means bttf 2 and 3 Marty is not original Marty, which also doesn't make sense because he acts the same and has the same memories.
Stop thinking this. The Marty from BTTF 1 is the exact same one as BTTF 2/3. >poor Marty goes to 1955 >poor Marty returns to 1985, family is now rich >poor Marty is shocked that he has a new truck >Doc shows up and takes poor Marty and Jennifer to 2015 >poor Marty goes to 1885 to save Doc >poor Marty returns to 1955
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then why do you say lone pine Marty is rich Marty? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Then why do you say lone pine Marty is rich Marty?
Yes. It. Does. >poor Marty gets into DeLorean at Twin Pines Mall parking lot >poor Marty goes back to 1955 and helps his parents >poor Marty returns to 1985 and his family is rich >poor Marty watches rich Marty get into Delorean at Lone Pine Mall parking lot and go back to 1955 >poor Marty goes to his house and sees his rich parents and new truck >we never see whatever happened to the rich Marty after he went back in time
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Poor Marty >Twin Pines Mall >Travels back in time >Runs over one Pine >Changes history, his parents get rich >Returns to 1955 >Lone Pine now exists in place of Twin Pines and Twin Pines Marty sees rich Marty, who grew up with Lone Pine, go back to 1955 just like he had
Okay, so now we are back to all my previous arguments about what rich Marty was doing back in 1955, have we settled on the outrageous claim that he created poor Marty? One thing I am sure of is that rich Marty is NOT bttf 2 and 3 Marty, so OP wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. How do we know rich Marty went to 1955 specifically, did we see that or did we just see the DeLorean time travel somewhere from LP mall?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>How do we know rich Marty went to 1955 specifically
We don't. We just know that he travelled in time. But Doc, knowing what Doc knows, would have left the time dial on "November 5th, 1955" in order to send Marty back so he could help young Doc.
5 months ago
Anonymous
But there's already a Marty in 1955 helping young Doc. Doc would HAVE to change it so they don't show up in the same exact spot in space/time.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>But there's already a Marty in 1955 helping young Doc. Doc would HAVE to change it so they don't show up in the same exact spot in space/time.
Yeah, this is where the movie, and time travel in general stops making sense. Either rich Marty (and poor Marty as well) went to an alternate timeline where there was no "other" Marty in 1955, or Doc made sure to leave the last time machine setting as something other than 1955.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Doc made sure to leave the last time machine setting as something other than 1955
This is the hard part. Doc can't send rich Marty to any point in time between 11/5/55 and 1985, because that will screw up the timeline that was just fixed. But rich Marty only has enough plutonium for one trip.
Doc knowingly sent rich Marty to an uncertain death.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Present Marty is the constant. We see no concurrent versions of present Marty, only Past Marty and Future Marty. Wherever the main Marty is he IS the present party. He is both both poor and rich Marty. Or better to say, he was poor Marty and became rich Marty going forward.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This is correct. The 'rich' marty who goes back would simply vanish a day later
5 months ago
Anonymous
>This is correct. The 'rich' marty who goes back would simply vanish a day later
This wouldn't happen. It would either be a new timeline, or there would be multiple Marty's in 1955.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The 'rich' marty who goes back would simply vanish a day later
Rich Marty would collide with Poor Marty because they would both try to occupy the same place in spacetime, but as seen in
>Wherever the main Marty is he IS the present party.
He's in 1955 as both past Marty (bttf 1) and present Marty (bttf 2)
they would definitely be two separate corporeal entities.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Wherever the main Marty is he IS the present party.
He's in 1955 as both past Marty (bttf 1) and present Marty (bttf 2)
5 months ago
Anonymous
Right, but we follow the story for Present Marty. Bttf1 Marty is present Marty during that film. In Bttf2 we still follow Present Marty. His actions in Bttf1 become part of his past. Present Marty sees Past Marty(Bttf1) during Bttf2. At no point in the story is there more than one Present Marty.
5 months ago
Anonymous
What this Anon said
But there's already a Marty in 1955 helping young Doc. Doc would HAVE to change it so they don't show up in the same exact spot in space/time.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Poor Marty >Twin Pines Mall >Travels back in time >Runs over one Pine >Changes history, his parents get rich >Returns to 1955 >Lone Pine now exists in place of Twin Pines and Twin Pines Marty sees rich Marty, who grew up with Lone Pine, go back to 1955 just like he had
5 months ago
Anonymous
Returns to 1985* my bad
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's a Marty that's very similar, but with key differences. The series goes out of its way to show how similarly events and characters will behave in multiple timelines. Rich Marty at the end of 1 goes through an identical scenario at Lone Pine with the Libyans and Doc.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks for clarification, but that is still very coincidental. Can someone make a diagram of all these events so we're all on the same page as to what happend?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Marty is the same person throughout the 3 movies. However when he arrives back home at the end of the first film, a second Marty who grew up wealthy has just gone back in time. Prime Marty then steals Rich Marty's life, and RM's fate is unknown.
I personally theorize that in RM's trip to the past, he didn't interfere with his parents first meeting. Which results in PM's original backstory still existing in a parallel timeline, and the two Martys trading lives. Two stable time loops intersecting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>BTW isn't Marty at lone pine mall the same Marty?
No. That's a Marty that grew up with rich parents. We've been calling him "rich" Marty. >This is why one of the anons was saying that bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty I think, but that doesn't make sense.
Don't listen to that moronic anon. His entire theory is based on the fact that the Jennifer actress had to changed and the anon went full "dude it's not the same Jennifer so it's not the same Marty!" when it is, but moviemaking got in the way.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I have been following the thread, I am the one that keeps calling it a plot hole. The point I am trying to make is that we see the events after lone pine mall right? So how, if that is a different Marty, does original Marty continue on in the movies? I thought we didn't know what happened to rich Marty? I,m getting confused, maybe I need to look up what happened, maybe I an misremembering something.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>So how, if that is a different Marty, does original Marty continue on in the movies?
The "different" Marty goes to 1955. The "original" Marty now has a rich family, a new truck and is going on to adventures in BTTF 2/3.
5 months ago
Anonymous
We're going circles now, I need to think more about this after I recap the events of the movies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
See
>Then why do you say lone pine Marty is rich Marty?
Yes. It. Does. >poor Marty gets into DeLorean at Twin Pines Mall parking lot >poor Marty goes back to 1955 and helps his parents >poor Marty returns to 1985 and his family is rich >poor Marty watches rich Marty get into Delorean at Lone Pine Mall parking lot and go back to 1955 >poor Marty goes to his house and sees his rich parents and new truck >we never see whatever happened to the rich Marty after he went back in time
>Poor Marty >Twin Pines Mall >Travels back in time >Runs over one Pine >Changes history, his parents get rich >Returns to 1955 >Lone Pine now exists in place of Twin Pines and Twin Pines Marty sees rich Marty, who grew up with Lone Pine, go back to 1955 just like he had
5 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn't explain his new characterization though.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>That doesn't explain his new characterization though.
What is different about his characterization?
5 months ago
Anonymous
His issues with getting called "chicken". This is a result of his new upbringing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>His issues with getting called "chicken". This is a result of his new upbringing.
Are you fricking moronic? So because they didn't address every single one of Marty's character flaws in part 1, that means that any new character flaws = "NEW MARTY"? Literally fricking stop.
And according to you >Elizabeth Shue Jennifer = new Jennifer
This means that her parents must have had sex at a different time, thus why Jennifer looks different. Sounds plausible >2 Martys get the exact same truck on the exact same day in 2 different timelines so the ending BTTF1/start of BTTF2 line up. Doesn't sound plausible.
So the best theory we have is that for some reason Doc just frick it and sent rich Marty somewhere just so there wouldn't be 2 Marty's in rich timeline...I suppose that's possible but so many things would have to go right for that to not create an even bigger mess. Maybe the movies are just the time-line of events before rich Marty creates another time-line, sort of like we see the original 1985 even though technically it was always changed...and we just don't see what rich Marty changed because...idk man, time travel is bullshit and there is no making sense of it.
In his own private hell doing the trilogy over and over forever. Who knows he will probably kill himself Timecop style
Original Marty is alive, just in a different timeline.
BTTF 2 and 3 are the Marty that grew up with the wealthy and confident George/Lorraine, which is why he's so worked up about the "chicken" thing in 2 and 3 but in Part 1 is worried about rejection.
That would explain why he's suddenly "chicken" out of nowhere in the sequels.
But how is he not the OG Marty? He exists outside of time thanks to the time machine.
>BTTF 2 and 3 are the Marty that grew up with the wealthy and confident George/Lorraine
No he didn't. At the end of Part 1 he goes to sleep in his 1985 home and when he wakes up he has no idea that everything is so different.
He notices right away. That's the whole ending.
>But how is he not the OG Marty? He exists outside of time thanks to the time machine.
Second Marty goes into the time machine too. He presumably goes through a similar experience as OG Marty in 1955
You're moronic. The Marty that returns from 1955 is the same Marty that left from 1985. He remembers that Biff smashed the car in the original 1985 timeline, but of course that didn't happen in the new 1985 timeline. Marty has zero knowledge of this new 1985 timeline. He says to Dave (his brother) "what are you wearing?" and Dave says "I always wear a suit to the office". In the old 1985 timeline Dave worked at some fast food restaurant and had a uniform.
What are you talking about? Biff smashed the car after the adventure in 1955. Both Martys experienced a BTTF 1 like movie. But we're watching a different version of Part 1 than the version that we see in Part 2 and 3 went through. Only slightly. Much of the details would still be the same as history repeats itself in these movies.
Here's what I'm getting at
>Poor Marty lives original timeline
>BTTF 1 happens
>Marty arrives at "Lone Pine Mall" and wakes up to a rich family, different from what he grew up with because of his changes to the timeline in 1955.
>The Marty that this Marty witnesses travel back in time at "Lone Pine", the Marty who would've grown up with the rich family, is the one we see in BTTF Part 2 and 3. Him, or another version further down the line.
>This second Marty is still going back to 1955 and is likely to have a near identical adventure to the Marty from the poor timeline. The loop is secure, but there will be slight alterations because it's a slightly different Marty from a different upbringing.
>Biff smashed the car after the adventure in 1955.
No he didn't, moron. At the beginning of the movie Biff crashes George's car in 1985. Marty goes back in time to 1955, changes the past, and now in new 1985 Biff doesn't crash George's car (but Marty still remembers that he did).
>Both Martys experienced a BTTF 1 like movie. But we're watching a different version of Part 1 than the version that we see in Part 2 and 3 went through. Only slightly. Much of the details would still be the same as history repeats itself in these movies.
All this homosexual bleddit headcanon.
>Getting this worked up
Go outside, get laid, jesus.
>Totaled car 1985
He never mentions that in Part 2 or 3
>Go outside, get laid, jesus.
Wow
>losing argument
>"herr terr touch grass incel"
>He never mentions that in Part 2 or 3
Why would he? It was a plot point from the first movie (and a very minor one at that).
>Losing an argument
Nobody lost anything
>Why would he?
Your whole point is that he remembers that. Which is not provable as it never comes up. The Marty at the end of Part 1 is still the Marty from Part 1 moron.
>Nobody lost anything
Yeah, that's why you went to "have sex incel" terminology.
>Your whole point is that he remembers that. Which is not provable as it never comes up.
He literally does remember. Marty in new 1985 says "I can't take Jennifer to the lake, the car is wrecked" and they all go "WRECKED? When did this happen?" and of course the car is fine. This Marty continues in to part 2 and 3. The Marty that left from Lone Pine Mall is never seen again.
>Yeah, that's why you went to "have sex incel" terminology.
Yeah because you're being hysteric about Back to the Future. Imagine being an adult man and getting this upset about an 80s family comedy.
>He literally does remember. Marty in new 1985 says "I can't take Jennifer to the lake, the car is wrecked" and they all go "WRECKED? When did this happen?" and of course the car is fine.
This happens in Part 1, which is still following Marty from Part 1. This doesn't happen in Part 2. Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening. With a new Jennifer and some different aspects to the conversation with Doc. Part 2 is the timeline of that second Marty. Maybe even a third Marty from the end of second Marty's experience in the 1955 loop.
>. This doesn't happen in Part 2. Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening
What the frick are you talking about. Part 1 ends with Jennifer, Marty and Doc going to 2015. Part 2 begins with the same scene. Both are just 5 minutes after the "the car isn't wrecked" conversation from inside the house.
> Part 2 opens on the scene with the garage opening. With a new Jennifer and some different aspects to the conversation with Doc.
WOW. They had to change the Jennifer actress because the actresses mom got cancer you fricking moron. This "new Jennifer" isn't a result of time travel shenanigans. And any "conversation changes" are because it's 4 years later, the producers didnt' plan a sequel, and had to make some adjustments to this new film.
> Part 2 is the timeline of that second Marty.
No it isn't you fricking moron. Then where did Marty 1 go? Did he magically disappear?
Fricking kys
Oh shut I think I just got what you are trying to say. Every timeliness already has a Marty, like when he goes to the future there is old Marty, so the question becomes where is alternate 1985 Marty? Am I getting this? Seems to me like a pothole tbh, although one I never noticed.
Time seems to exist on multiple planes in BTTF. Technically Marty should disappear the moment he stops George from getting hit by the car, but instead he slowly fades until the exact moment when his mistake can be fixed. Similarly, the timeline remains intact in Part 2 after old Biff gives himself the Almanac long enough for him to return to his original 2015. I believe that's why Marty and Jennifer aren't missing from 2015 when their younger versions travel forward in time.
But yeah, in every timeline Marty is going to go back to 1955 and basically live the adventure of Back to the Future Part 1, Part 2 and then Part 3. And at the end of every Back to the Future Part 1, he witnesses the next guy go back in time.
>Part 2 begins with the same scene
Part 2 begins with a slightly different scene involving a different actress as Jennifer and different takes/line deliveries from Doc and Marty. It's not an identical scene, and we don't see the wrecked car moment freak out moment before it like we did at the end of Part 1, so we cannot assume the same scene took place in Part 2.
>WOW. They had to change the Jennifer actress because the actresses mom got cancer you fricking moron. This "new Jennifer" isn't a result of time travel shenanigans. And any "conversation changes" are because it's 4 years later, the producers didnt' plan a sequel, and had to make some adjustments to this new film.
That is the behind the scenes explanation, yes. Good job.
>Then where did Marty 1 go? Did he magically disappear?
He's living in his original timeline after having gone through his own version of BTTF Part 2 and maybe even 3.
But what happened to the Marty who grew up in rich family? You're telling me that the exact moment original Marty arrived to rich family timeliness, rich Marty just so happened to be going on his own unrelated time adventure? Sounds dumb.
>timeliness
Timeline
Sorry I am new to being a phonegay and it keeps changing words for no reason
>But what happened to the Marty who grew up in rich family?
He's the Marty in Part 2 and 3. Him, or the Marty that comes after his loop. At that point it doesn't matter. But the Marty in Part 2 and 3 grew up with the rich family. Part 1 is the Marty that grew up poor and changed the timeline originally.
Rich Marty goes on the same 1955 Back to the Future 1 adventure, we just don't see his version apart from the pieces we see in the background in the second half of Part 2. But it's going to be more or less identical to BTTF Part 1.
>He's the Marty in Part 2 and 3.
Don't listen to this homosexual. He's basing this insane theory on the fact that Claudia Wells couldn't reprise her role for BTTF part 2/3 and they had to recast her. In his mind this "recast" proves that this is not the same Marty/Jennifer/Doc in part 2 that were at the end of part 1. The most bleddit garbage I've ever read.
Hmmm, wouldn't rich family Doc be aware of the original Marty showing up in 1955, and you're telling me he let rich Marty go to 1955 again even after narrowly avoiding the original disaster? Sorry Anon, but I think they just messed up the plot.
>Part 2 begins with a slightly different scene involving a different actress as Jennifer and different takes/line deliveries from Doc and Marty. It's not an identical scene, and we don't see the wrecked car moment freak out moment before it like we did at the end of Part 1, so we cannot assume the same scene took place in Part 2.
FRICKING KYS.
It's not the "same scene" because the original Jennifer actress didn't return to the production. They couldn't just show the Claudia Wells scene from the end of part 1 and the beginning of part 2, because when they are all in the time machine in 2015 and Doc knocks out Jennifer it would show that it's a completely different actress. So they RE-FILMED the "How about a ride, mister?" scene with Elisabeth Shue for continuity sake. Again HOLY FRICK. Your entire argument is based on a casting change!
>That is the behind the scenes explanation, yes. Good job.
kys
>He's living in his original timeline after having gone through his own version of BTTF Part 2 and maybe even 3.
Headcanon nonsense (all based on a fricking casting change).
Lol you're so mad
>lol why u mad tho
I'm just shell shocked that you are using a casting change to base your entire shitty argument upon. Movies are a business, shit happens, but the show must go on. Based on your logic anytime an actor takes over the role of a previous actor it's "zomg there was a dimensional shift and this character isn't the same as before".
>I'm just shell shocked that you are using a casting change to base your entire shitty argument upon.
>I'm just shell shocked
>shell shocked
You must be a zoomer then if you're this Low T. You used to get shell-shocked from fighting in war. Not witnessing an opinion on a comedy movie that you disagree with.
>You must be a zoomer then if you're this Low T. You used to get shell-shocked from fighting in war. Not witnessing an opinion on a comedy movie that you disagree with.
I'm older than you homosexual. And yes, you're right bad opinions and theories shouldn't shell shock me, but yours is so fricking stupid I can't still can't fricking believe it. How many upvotes and gold did this theory get you?
None, because we're not on reddit. And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
>Hmmm, wouldn't rich family Doc be aware of the original Marty showing up in 1955, and you're telling me he let rich Marty go to 1955 again even after narrowly avoiding the original disaster?
Absolutely. He doesn't want to destroy the timeline and cause a paradox.
So then how and why does rich Marty go back in time? Did Doc do it intentionally so that there wouldn't be two Marty's in rich family 1985?
Yes
gay
this
>gay
What a retort. Keep losing, you bleddit homosexual.
>bleddit
>Still pissing your pants over BTTF
Fricked your mother last night btw. Your real one. Not the one that gave you away because you were so frick ugly.
I'm just glad I btfo your incredibly shitty theory.
You couldn't even poke one hole in it. You just pissed your pants in anger because it existed.
>nOOOOooooOOOO YOU CANT HAV EA THEORYYYYY
>You couldn't even poke one hole in it.
I literally did, you just ignored it.
And your entire theory hinges on a casting change. SAD
>I literally did, you just ignored it.
You didn't. You couldn't poke one hole. You were offended by the notion.
Poor and Rich Marty have different personalities. Poor Marty is insecure and can't stand rejection. Rich Marty grew up with a chad father and can't live with anybody thinking he's a chicken. Which was the other main reason for the theory. Which you sadly overlooked because you lack the mental capacity.
Twin Pines in the first one, Lone Pine in the sequels.
>You didn't. You couldn't poke one hole. You were offended by the notion.
I literally gave a bunch. And your theory has no evidence. I can just as easily say that the woman that gave Marty the "Save the Clocktower" flyer is Jennifer from the future.
> Poor Marty is insecure and can't stand rejection. Rich Marty grew up with a chad father and can't live with anybody thinking he's a chicken.
Those aren't "personalities" those are character flaws. We all have them, and the movies explored various versions of Marty's flaws as a character. Rich Marty would dress differently, have a different outlook on life, wouldn't have been as tough as poor Marty, etc.
You are legit moronic.
>I literally gave a bunch. And your theory has no evidence. I can just as easily say that the woman that gave Marty the "Save the Clocktower" flyer is Jennifer from the future.
There's nothing to support that. And you gave nothing.
>Those aren't "personalities" those are character flaws.
Differing ones that are not consistent with one another.
>Rich Marty would dress differently and have a different outlook on life
According to what? He's still a child of the 80s living in the same neighborhood. Just the general quality of life is better.
Poor baby.
>There's nothing to support that.
Neither does your theory, either than a fricking casting change.
>And you gave nothing.
Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story.
AND if rich Marty replaces poor Marty at the beginning of BTT2, the idea of both rich Marty and poor Marty getting the SAME, BRAND NEW TRUCK on the EXACT SAME DAY would be a quadrillion trillion to one. It's just not mathematically possible.
>Differing ones that are not consistent with one another.
Sure they are. Marty fears rejection, and doesn't like to be pushed around and stands up for himself in part 1. In part 2 he still doesn't like to be pushed around and still stands up for himself. The only difference is the "chicken" thing, but oh now BTTF part 1 didn't explore every single flaw of Marty and they added something new in part 2.
>According to what? He's still a child of the 80s living in the same neighborhood. Just the general quality of life is better.
Rich kids dress better. Just the way it's always been.
>would be a quadrillion trillion to one. It's just not mathematically possible.
rich people get new cars all the time
>rich people get new cars all the time
So you think in 2 different timelines, 2 different Marty's got the exact same truck on the exact same day? Come on. It's not possible.
you're dumb. shit lines up in the multiple timelines frequently
Oh okay, you just have autism. I get it.
>Oh okay, you just have autism. I get it.
Says the the homosexual that thinks a casting change led to another Marty in BTTF 2/3...
>you're dumb. shit lines up in the multiple timelines frequently
But THAT fricking precisely? Come on. You are saying that Jennifer looks different because of time travel shenanigans when in reality it's a casting change.
>None, because we're not on reddit.
This is a pure bleddit theory. I'm sure you posted it there. I'm sure you got some updoots and gold.
>And for such a bad theory you've yet to poke a single hole in it.
I already did. You are basing it on no evidence other than a fricking casting change that was necessary. Also, the creators of the films wouldn't have us follow a Marty (ie, the rich Marty) that we've never seen before, it doesn't make sense thematically or with the fact that the sequel is a continuation of poor Marty's story. Also, rich Marty would probably have a very different personality from poor Marty. But in Part 2 and 3 it's the same personality...because it's poor Marty.
kys
Yeah Anon I think I'm with you this, seems to me like they just swept the idea of rich Marty existing under the rug and hoping no one noticed, which worked on me until this thread brought it up. They probably didn't want a scene where original Marty murdered and disposed of rich Marty to take his place. Plothole clear and simple
>Yeah Anon I think I'm with you this, seems to me like they just swept the idea of rich Marty existing under the rug and hoping no one noticed
Wow. Both Marty's exist. Let me explain it
Poor Marty
>goes to 1955
>has adventures
>returns to 1985
>watches "rich" Marty go in to time machine at lone pine mall
>poor Marty goes to house and takes over rich Marty's life
But where is rich Marty?
>rich Marty time travels from lone pine mall
>a new timeline is created
>rich Marty has adventures in 1955 like poor Marty
>does he return to 1985? We don't know. This timeline is never explored.
This is an acceptable explanation as well. Time is like a web in this case with alternate universe and timelines constantly interacting with, branching off from, and collapsing into one another.
Personally, I think that Doc is responsible for most of this stuff. Most people don't think about it but by the end of BTTF 3 he is basically a God, and I think he went throughout time to make the best of all possible worlds that could logically exist in his little corner of the multiverse.
If you want to disregard the "multiple timeline" theory, you could also say that rich Marty didn't make it out of 1955. Maybe the lightning bolt blew up the DeLoreon and Doc just buried the body and junked the car. This would essentially kill the loop
>This would essentially kill the loop
no, because rich marty would have gone back to the same place and time as poor marty initially did.
I like to think that both Marty's trying to occupy the same space when they go back to 1955 causes the rich marty to be completely vaporized or removed from existence altogether, that way everything is clean.
>poor marty goes to 1955
>poor marty returns to the future
>he sees rich marty attempt to go to 1955
>rich marty tries to go to the exact moment that poor marty went to
>he can't do that, so he simply disappears
further proof of this is that when poor marty goes back to 1955 in bttf2 he sees himself from the first movie. this means that going to the past doesn't overwrite past time travel journeys.
it's simple, really.
oh, I should also add that the writers never planned for any of this, so it definitely isn't true. you can't apply real logic to these movies.
>This timeline is never explored.
my headcannon is that he gets committed to an insane asylum and is forgotten by the system.
>my headcannon is that he gets committed to an insane asylum and is forgotten by the system.
This is totally an option. "Poor" Marty was someone who was hardened by life and could handle all this shit. "Rich" Marty might be some latte drinking pussy for all we know and has a breakdown in 1955 and they throw him in the loony bin. (like the guy from "Dark")
kek. exactly what I was thinking. I was just too lazy to type it out.
But you said bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty, but that Marty wouldn't be the same person or have memories of poor family time-line, but it's clearly the Marty in all movies. You never really addressed why Doc would send another Marty back to 1955 after he already lived through the near catastrophic events of the first time Marty showed up in 1955 and he had to help him. If the argument was that Doc sent him back to avoid 2 Marty's in rich time-line then makes more sense, but doesn't doc show up almost immediately from the future and take Marty to the future? Plothole explains all of this better than this convoluted theory tbh
>But you said bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty,
I did not, that was the other anon that I was arguing with. That theory is moronic. The Marty in BTTF 2/3 is the same as 1. He based his entire theory on the fact that they had to change the Jennifer actress and that this was "proof" of the rich Marty timeline going forward after part 1.
Oh okay, my bad
Alternate universes or time loops explain these plotholes away. Or both.
>Second Marty goes into the time machine too.
Oh! So your theory says that these were always two separate timelines?
The Marty that grew up poor and humble (Marty A) and The Marty that grew up rich and spoiled (Marty B) both got into time machines at the exact same time.
Am I close?
>The Marty that grew up poor and humble (Marty A) and The Marty that grew up rich and spoiled (Marty B) both got into time machines at the exact same time.
This is the premise of a Cracked video I saw about a decade ago.
>This is the premise of a Cracked video I saw about a decade ago.
Still holds up (by Cinemaphile standards). Swaim was the GOAT. Wonder what him and Dan are up to? I know the Soren guy landed a gig writing for some late night show
>Original Marty goes back in time
>Changes to the timeline either erase the original or simply move original Marty to a separate one depending on your interpretation of time travel
>Original Marty is sent back to the 80s and his consciousness overwrites the new timeline Marty which is why he's experienced different things but only remembers the original timeline
What part of this is hard to understand
>his consciousness overwrites
Stop with the metaphysical nonsense you fricking homosexual.
Marty is sent back to the 80s and his consciousness overwrites the new timeline Marty which is why he's experienced different things but only remembers the original timeline
We literally see rich Marty leave the timeline at the parking lot mall you fricking tardo.
>Stop this metaphysical nonsense
Black person we're talking about time travel this is all metaphysical nonsense
"dude, his consciousness got overwritten" is hokey nonsense and not relevant to the conversation.
Then why are there other times in the trilogy where multiple Marty's exist at once? So rich Marty being absent is an anomaly.
Parts 2 and 3 do not feature Part 1 Marty. That Marty's story ended with the first movie. The Marty in the sequels is the one we saw go back in time at the Lone Pine Mall towards the end of the first one. We're following his story.
>The Marty in the sequels is the one we saw go back in time at the Lone Pine Mall towards the end of the first one. We're following his story.
Only a moronic bledditor like you keeps posting this shit theory.
I'm a different guy, moron.
are you rich guy or poor guy
>I'm a different guy, moron.
It's not. Rich Marty goes to 1955 and we never see him again. Poor Marty continues into BTTF 2/3. You saying otherwise like a tardo doesn't change that.
What? I'm saying that you're talking to a different anon. Are you moronic?
>What? I'm saying that you're talking to a different anon. Are you moronic?
If you believe his stupid theory, then you are just as moronic as he is.
There is only one Marty, which is the Marty we follow. He is Poor Marty until he changes things and then he becomes Rich Marty from that point forward.
Then who is the guy that the Marty We Follow sees jumping into the Delorean to escape the terrorists?
Marty We Follow seeing his own past
Marty We Follow never lived in that timeline before that moment. It could not have been him jumping into the Delorean there. It was rich Marty who grew up with a fit mother and confident dad.
No the timeline doesnt change until after Poor Marty leaves. Present Marty watches himself leave, just like how he watches himself on stage in Bttf2
theres no reason for that
>We really messed up this time Marty, if you thought 2015 was bad you should see 2024!
Why are they in James’s basement?
>It's the slobs Marty! Something's gotta be done about the slobs!
Because he's going to take them back to the past, haven't you listened to the intro song?
kek
>Marty, we need to go back to the past!
>But how, Doc, we don't have the Delorean!
>The timestream hasn't fully changed yet, we have one chance, the basement of James Rolfe!
he was unmade utterly, his time frickery deleted the mother and father and every person he touched in any way in his selfish shakefilled life
Michael j fox is an butthole
MCFRY
Did the film makers really think wearing two ties would be a thing? What foolishness
>more ties = foolishness
>more genders = the norm
I wish the BTTF future was real
Marty literally had a troony kid, though
I always thought it was just a joke that they had Fox put on a wig and use a high pitched voice to play his own daughter, but then 2023 came along and I realized xshex had always been a trans icon.
No, Marlene is a girl. Her and Marty Jr. are twins therefore they both have to be played by Michael J Fox.
They predicted zoomers having an atrocious attention span.
This homie gooning
>when your at 557 tabs because every page has like 12 things you wanna look at "in a sec" but theres still 128 pages to check on the combo of tags your searching
Back then fax machines were rare and expensive and seen as very useful and something that every company should have
They extrapolated this into a future in which is so extended, that its use it's commonplace in your HOUSE, so common and by extention, affordable, than in Marty's house they not only have one fax machine, but fricking 3
That's great writting
they didn't predict multiple genders, i might say they didn't go far enough
I want to have a two tie shirt made just to see how people react.
Look at what's on the coffee table.
He is the original marty. Imagine the old timeline is like a floor in a building and everyone goes left to right room to room.
Marty just went through the basement back to 1955, changed the flow of time then went back to 1985 and reinserted himself. The old time line was changed and it added another layer of timeline. But no matter what happens he always hops out of time I'm 1985 because it already happened. Then he goes to the future then hops back to the past adding another 2 layers. Then further back in 3 and he adds another layer..
He's moving sideways through time and adding layers you are just following him and it's relative.
If you were outside of the entire universe everyone of Marty's actions would show up happening at the same time and gradually recondensing into a singular timeline unless he kept fricking with it. Inception works the same way. R pat can be brought back.
Why are there suddenly so many back to the future threads?
Are we being astroturfed?
Idk, but bttf was also on TV the other day
Hayden Fox not only one a Big Ten title with lowly Minnesota State, he won a God dang National Title. Now tell me, is that real?
There’re flaws with all theories. I stick with a Legacy of Kain kind of deal where Time just flows around inconsequential people/events and corrects itself of something major happens. Since we’re perpetually following one particular Marty and only really seeing things from his viewpoint it’s a mystery what all other Marties see/experience. Time fixes itself around all the changes. It’s a Hollywood movie pretty much written on the back of a napkin in the 80s, I wouldn’t go too crazy over it.
Il n'y a pas de hors-serviette .
Lost me there, chief
After some thought, all events in the trilogy are the same Marty, and everything shown on screen is a seamless time-line of events following Marty around. At no point is rich Marty ever seen or mentioned, he simply does not exist, which is the plothole. There is zero mention or hint of him going back in time as far as I can remember(granted it has been some years since I have seen the movies) so any theory mentioned IIT about it are 100% out of anus.
Rich Marty went back in time at the end of BTTF 1 then fricked up and created the poor timeline which the Marty from BTTF1 comes from.
>Rich Marty went back in time at the end of BTTF 1 then fricked up and created the poor timeline which the Marty from BTTF1 comes from.
This is funny lol. This is Marty's loop. Poor Marty creates rich Marty through time travel, and then rich Marty creates poor Marty through time travel.
How does rich Marty create poor Marty?
>How does rich Marty create poor Marty?
This is another anons theory, but it makes sense
>poor Marty lives his life in fricked up family home
>poor Marty goes back to 1955
>makes the lives of his parents better
>poor Marty gets back to 1985
>poor Marty watches rich Marty time travel from the mall parking lot
>poor Marty goes home and sees a happy, wealthy family
Story over? Nope
>rich Marty now in 1955 just like poor Marty was
>rich Marty is a soft pussy and lets Biff walk all over him, doesn't help his dad get confidence, etc
>as a result of this Lorraine and George create poor, fricked up home for their kids (this creates "poor" Marty)
>rich Marty time travels back to 1985
>rich Marty sees poor Marty go back in time at the mall parking lot
>rich Marty goes home and sees that his family is dirt poor and Biff is bullying his dad. In rich Marty's life George always had the edge over Biff and Biff was subservient.
deepest lore
Basically, they've swapped timelines.
Greatscott!
>At no point is rich Marty ever seen or mentioned, he simply does not exist, which is the plothole.
It's not a plot hole. We don't know what happens to him and there are numerous explanations as to why that is
>time travel creates a new timeline and you can never return to your original timeline (so essentially we are following original Marty across numerous timelines and he never gets back to his timeline where his family is poor)
>the rich Marty that we see time travel from lone pine mall doesn't succeed in escaping 1955 (he's beaten to death by Biff; he gets thrown in an insane asylum; the Delorean explodes from the lightning, etc)
>rich Marty doesn't die, but doesn't have the means to get back to 1985. Remember he only knew how to get back because he had the "Save the Clocktower" flyer. Maybe rich Marty didn't hang out near the clock tower? Maybe he was at a fancy coffee place and didn't get the flyer? As a result he is stuck in 1955 and is in his 40s in 1985 because that's how he lives his life going forward
No, because rich Marty time-line is the continuation of the new 1955 time-line, therefore the Doc in rich 1985 time-line is the same Doc from 1955 that helped original Marty get back to 1985 with the clock tower. Why would that Doc grow up to send rich Marty back to 1955 and rich Marty is just in the dark about everything?
>Why would that Doc grow up to send rich Marty back to 1955 and rich Marty is just in the dark about everything?
Because he knows that the loop must be maintained (or he has to kill one of the Marty's). Letting rich Marty go back to 1955 is the best path forward. Telling him too much might frick it up, because remember 1955 Doc already successfully got Marty back to 1985 with the lightning strike. Doc is just trying his best to repeat what happened.
That would just create more time-lines in my opinion, because rich Marty would have to know to create poor Marty to close the loop, which seems implausible, and if it were true he would literally be sacrificing himself to the poor time-line. If that doesn't happen however, then rich Marty would create another time-line messing things up even more. Also we never see rich Marty in original 1955, and if he is hiding or something, then his presence is inconsequential to rich 1985, it just isn't adding up. For every problem you give a solution, but that solution create more problems. This is why I said it's just a plot hole.
>because rich Marty would have to know to create poor Marty to close the loop
He doesn't have to know, but it has to happen. And if it doesn't (if rich Marty is killed in 1955) then whatever because a Marty will still be born of George and Lorraine.
>This is why I said it's just a plot hole.
All of time travel stories are. It's fun to talk about, but the reality is if was possible it would be unexplainable.
Yeah it's fun to talk about, BTW isn't Marty at lone pine mall the same Marty? This is why one of the anons was saying that bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty I think, but that doesn't make sense. So this theory hinges on lone pine Marty being rich Marty, but I always thought it was the same Marty, like I said it has been sime time since I watched the movies.
it's not the same marty, THAT wouldn't make much sense.
Maybe I just need to re-watch the movies, because if it isn't the same Marty then means bttf 2 and 3 Marty is not original Marty, which also doesn't make sense because he acts the same and has the same memories.
>if it isn't the same Marty then means bttf 2 and 3 Marty is not original Marty
no, it doesn't mean that at all.
Do we not follow lone pine Marty in the movies? Reresh my memory
>Do we not follow lone pine Marty in the movies? Reresh my memory
No. Lone Pine Marty disappears. We NEVER see him again. Poor (or Twin Pines) Marty is who we see living with a rich family, getting a truck and doing BTTF 2/3.
>because if it isn't the same Marty then means bttf 2 and 3 Marty is not original Marty, which also doesn't make sense because he acts the same and has the same memories.
Stop thinking this. The Marty from BTTF 1 is the exact same one as BTTF 2/3.
>poor Marty goes to 1955
>poor Marty returns to 1985, family is now rich
>poor Marty is shocked that he has a new truck
>Doc shows up and takes poor Marty and Jennifer to 2015
>poor Marty goes to 1885 to save Doc
>poor Marty returns to 1955
Then why do you say lone pine Marty is rich Marty? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
>Then why do you say lone pine Marty is rich Marty?
Yes. It. Does.
>poor Marty gets into DeLorean at Twin Pines Mall parking lot
>poor Marty goes back to 1955 and helps his parents
>poor Marty returns to 1985 and his family is rich
>poor Marty watches rich Marty get into Delorean at Lone Pine Mall parking lot and go back to 1955
>poor Marty goes to his house and sees his rich parents and new truck
>we never see whatever happened to the rich Marty after he went back in time
Okay, so now we are back to all my previous arguments about what rich Marty was doing back in 1955, have we settled on the outrageous claim that he created poor Marty? One thing I am sure of is that rich Marty is NOT bttf 2 and 3 Marty, so OP wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. How do we know rich Marty went to 1955 specifically, did we see that or did we just see the DeLorean time travel somewhere from LP mall?
>How do we know rich Marty went to 1955 specifically
We don't. We just know that he travelled in time. But Doc, knowing what Doc knows, would have left the time dial on "November 5th, 1955" in order to send Marty back so he could help young Doc.
But there's already a Marty in 1955 helping young Doc. Doc would HAVE to change it so they don't show up in the same exact spot in space/time.
>But there's already a Marty in 1955 helping young Doc. Doc would HAVE to change it so they don't show up in the same exact spot in space/time.
Yeah, this is where the movie, and time travel in general stops making sense. Either rich Marty (and poor Marty as well) went to an alternate timeline where there was no "other" Marty in 1955, or Doc made sure to leave the last time machine setting as something other than 1955.
>Doc made sure to leave the last time machine setting as something other than 1955
This is the hard part. Doc can't send rich Marty to any point in time between 11/5/55 and 1985, because that will screw up the timeline that was just fixed. But rich Marty only has enough plutonium for one trip.
Doc knowingly sent rich Marty to an uncertain death.
Present Marty is the constant. We see no concurrent versions of present Marty, only Past Marty and Future Marty. Wherever the main Marty is he IS the present party. He is both both poor and rich Marty. Or better to say, he was poor Marty and became rich Marty going forward.
This is correct. The 'rich' marty who goes back would simply vanish a day later
>This is correct. The 'rich' marty who goes back would simply vanish a day later
This wouldn't happen. It would either be a new timeline, or there would be multiple Marty's in 1955.
>The 'rich' marty who goes back would simply vanish a day later
Rich Marty would collide with Poor Marty because they would both try to occupy the same place in spacetime, but as seen in
they would definitely be two separate corporeal entities.
>Wherever the main Marty is he IS the present party.
He's in 1955 as both past Marty (bttf 1) and present Marty (bttf 2)
Right, but we follow the story for Present Marty. Bttf1 Marty is present Marty during that film. In Bttf2 we still follow Present Marty. His actions in Bttf1 become part of his past. Present Marty sees Past Marty(Bttf1) during Bttf2. At no point in the story is there more than one Present Marty.
What this Anon said
>Poor Marty
>Twin Pines Mall
>Travels back in time
>Runs over one Pine
>Changes history, his parents get rich
>Returns to 1955
>Lone Pine now exists in place of Twin Pines and Twin Pines Marty sees rich Marty, who grew up with Lone Pine, go back to 1955 just like he had
Returns to 1985* my bad
It's a Marty that's very similar, but with key differences. The series goes out of its way to show how similarly events and characters will behave in multiple timelines. Rich Marty at the end of 1 goes through an identical scenario at Lone Pine with the Libyans and Doc.
Thanks for clarification, but that is still very coincidental. Can someone make a diagram of all these events so we're all on the same page as to what happend?
Marty is the same person throughout the 3 movies. However when he arrives back home at the end of the first film, a second Marty who grew up wealthy has just gone back in time. Prime Marty then steals Rich Marty's life, and RM's fate is unknown.
I personally theorize that in RM's trip to the past, he didn't interfere with his parents first meeting. Which results in PM's original backstory still existing in a parallel timeline, and the two Martys trading lives. Two stable time loops intersecting.
>BTW isn't Marty at lone pine mall the same Marty?
No. That's a Marty that grew up with rich parents. We've been calling him "rich" Marty.
>This is why one of the anons was saying that bttf 2 and 3 are rich Marty I think, but that doesn't make sense.
Don't listen to that moronic anon. His entire theory is based on the fact that the Jennifer actress had to changed and the anon went full "dude it's not the same Jennifer so it's not the same Marty!" when it is, but moviemaking got in the way.
I have been following the thread, I am the one that keeps calling it a plot hole. The point I am trying to make is that we see the events after lone pine mall right? So how, if that is a different Marty, does original Marty continue on in the movies? I thought we didn't know what happened to rich Marty? I,m getting confused, maybe I need to look up what happened, maybe I an misremembering something.
>So how, if that is a different Marty, does original Marty continue on in the movies?
The "different" Marty goes to 1955. The "original" Marty now has a rich family, a new truck and is going on to adventures in BTTF 2/3.
We're going circles now, I need to think more about this after I recap the events of the movies.
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That doesn't explain his new characterization though.
>That doesn't explain his new characterization though.
What is different about his characterization?
His issues with getting called "chicken". This is a result of his new upbringing.
>His issues with getting called "chicken". This is a result of his new upbringing.
Are you fricking moronic? So because they didn't address every single one of Marty's character flaws in part 1, that means that any new character flaws = "NEW MARTY"? Literally fricking stop.
And according to you
>Elizabeth Shue Jennifer = new Jennifer
This means that her parents must have had sex at a different time, thus why Jennifer looks different. Sounds plausible
>2 Martys get the exact same truck on the exact same day in 2 different timelines so the ending BTTF1/start of BTTF2 line up. Doesn't sound plausible.
The “new time line” Marty slowly merges into original Marty
Just like a photo disappearing
He fugged his own mom
It's simple
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In Part 3 why does Marty's great-great-grandmother on his father's side look like his mother?
McFly men have a type.
So the best theory we have is that for some reason Doc just frick it and sent rich Marty somewhere just so there wouldn't be 2 Marty's in rich timeline...I suppose that's possible but so many things would have to go right for that to not create an even bigger mess. Maybe the movies are just the time-line of events before rich Marty creates another time-line, sort of like we see the original 1985 even though technically it was always changed...and we just don't see what rich Marty changed because...idk man, time travel is bullshit and there is no making sense of it.
McFly flying as usual.
Now I want a movie where rich Marty is accidentally sent to a far distant dying earth.
at least 20 martys got killed because of Docs hijinks, Doc just kept going back a day earlier and getting another one
There is a third Marty