So now that Claremont's original idea is now canon, will they actually nut up and have Namor get with Sue?
So now that Claremont's original idea is now canon, will they actually nut up and have Namor get with Sue?
So now that Claremont's original idea is now canon, will they actually nut up and have Namor get with Sue?
kys
>t. Reed self inserter
And the whole reason Azazel exists is to keep Claremont's idea away. Let Sue get with the one guy who actually loves her.
Claremont's idea was moronic, and he didn't even create Nightcrawler, it's not "the original idea". One of Nightcrawler's creators wanted him to be the son of a demon, Azazel is actually closer to the original concept for Nightcrawler than him being the buttbaby of two lesbian terrorist crones. Anyone happy with this is an idiot.
You're an idiot.
Nightcrawler being half demon completely undermines everything about the character. The point of him is that people hate and fear him based on a misconception. Making that misconception half true undermines literally everything about him and the X-Men as a whole, and preferring that to some classic transgressive Claremont weirdness just because you're having a years long insecurity based panic attack over the existence of women that wouldn't frick you anyways fricking each other
That's some real projection you got there anon
Nightcrawler was never half demon, it was stated multiple times that Azazel was just a powerful mutant.
>Making that misconception half true undermines literally everything about him and the X-Men as a whole
The X-Men had no problem undermining their whole concept when they went full Krakoa.
>Let Sue get with the one guy who actually loves her.
So Reed then, let it got of your cuck fantasies for a second and actually read FF comics that specifically states why 616-Reed is a good person at all.
Just like how comics said that Azazel was totally Kurt's father
Azazel existed because Chuck Austen was a staunch atheist. Kurt already had a father, Count Wagner. He took something simple and made it stupid.
Nightcrawler was originally intended to be a demon when he was pitched to DC, but that was rejected. When he took him to Marvel, he was supposed to be a regular mutant. Looking like a demon was ironic, he wasn't supposed to literally be a demon.
Tbf, even in the original storyline, they said that Azazel was a mutant that inspired the myths of demons rather than an actual demon himself. They even downplayed his Satan motif in later remains.
>When he took him to Marvel, he was supposed to be a regular mutant. Looking like a demon was ironic, he wasn't supposed to literally be a demon.
I can't remember if it was wienerrum's idea or Len Wein's, but one of them wanted to make Nightcrawler the son of Nightmare, the Doctor Strange villain, so he wouldn't have just been a regular mutant.
Azazel is part of Austen trying to dunk on Christianity with a story about how what people thought were the Devil, demons and angels were all just ancient mutants, but the basic idea of Nightcrawler's dad being a 'demon' is nonetheless still closer to the original idea for the character than what they've done now.
Wikipedia reveals it was yet another of Crazy Claremont's plans
>X-Men writer Chris Claremont had intended to reveal that Nightcrawler was the son of Nightmare early in his run. Roger Stern recounted, "It happened when I was the writer of Dr. Strange, back when writers were still occasionally listened to. Chris had come up with the latest of several crazy ideas and declared that Nightcrawler's father was Nightmare. And I replied with something like, 'No, he's not. I'm not going to let you appropriate one of my character's major villains.' As I recall, Len Wein crossed the room and shook my hand. And not too long after, I [became] the X-Men editor and was able to make sure that didn't happen for long enough that Chris eventually changed his mind
To think, if they just let him use Nightmare, so much hassle could have been avoided.
True. Though I am also getting the feeling "Just imagine if Len Wein had stayed on X-Men instead of going to DC. Just imagine if Claremont never wrote X-Men. So much hassle could have been avoided."
A future writer can still make this happen. Back in the 00s, Peter David had Nightmare reveal that the Bruce Jones run was just a dream. Someone annoyed by this can just say all this Azazel, Mystique, and Destiny business is just a dream.
The current story, and the Mystique power creep than goes with it can all just be dismissed by someone revealing Mystique was lying to Kurt yet again. I'm fine with the Azazel origin being canon again, it's far less stupid than this.
They're both stupid. Comic writers should just stay away from origins after they've already been established, revisiting and retconning them always makes things pointlessly complicated.
Agreed
What was so bad about the Bruce Jones run? I'm not a Hulk reader, but I've heard that one's and the Byrne run is meant to be pretty dismal
It started out fine with it being more like the 70s tv show, the Fugitive, and the X-Files but then it went downhill when he had Bruce Banner cuck Abomination, a serial killing Absorbing Man who was absolutely nothing like Creel in a forced movie-synergy arc, and much like X-Files/Lost, the revelations at the end were incredibly stupid and disappointing. Went from an incredibly hyped run to one so apathetic that nobody even got mad when PAD dismissed the entire thing as a dream. A kind of storytelling that keeps popping up.
>Azazel is part of Austen trying to dunk on Christianity with a story about how what people thought were the Devil, demons and angels were all just ancient mutants
Why do these dummies do this shit in a universe where outright supernatural shit actually exists? It's like Fraction trying to retcon Reed as a r/atheism poster, a decision even Byrne thought was laughable.
The whole point is he tempts her but she goes back to Reed
Eh i have seen worse
They ruined Namor.
The moment I saw that trailer for Black Panther 2 I was like
>well. They did it again.
Also is he a mutant or what?
Also wasn't he made waaayyy before Marvel existed?
MCU has been actively disconnect with Xmen stuff for a long time. For Namor, he is rather complicated. He is both a half-Atlantean and a mutant. His ability to live underwater is natural inheritance from his mother, but his ability is fly is a mutation.
.. He can fly?
My only real interaction with him is the Ultimate Alliance game.
That's why he has those little wings on his feet
So unlike Arthur his ass doesn't drop if out of the water for too long?
Wait. Namor's actor did what?
Unlike in BP2, Namor is half human in comics. He can live just fine without water.
Isn't Arthur half human too? I know I know different franchises lol.
Yes, except for Post Crisis/Pre N52 where Orm was half human.
I saw this panel featuring Orm on it and I have to say its one of the few times I thought Ocean Master looked cool.
i always have a soft spot for him. He is flawed and troubled, which i find it to be endearing. One of the case where the villain is more wellwritten than the hero.
I like the purple.
Aquaman canon changes the most from reboots. Original Orm was Aquaman's schizo human half-brother, post crisis he was his sorcerer halfhuman half-brother, post new52 he is his fully-Atlantian half-brother. New52 was good to Aquaman and got rid of a lot of stupid shit like being weakened by dehydration and had him actually wield a trident.
Aquaman is a literall knock-off of Namor. Namor first appeared around the 1930s.
yes he can
he alluded to being a mutant. comics-wise, yes, he was around before the existence of marvel/DC was set.
namor was fine but you can't really tell when your actor is going to be a rapist/wife beater/pedophile/whatever and now the actor is blacklisted. it's only these days that your count on your actors to last for 10-15 years doing this.
>rapist/wife beater/pedophile/whatever and now the actor is blacklisted
Explain.
Piss off Fish simp
I don't get it. He made her sick?
Anon.
Reed has stretchy powers.
They just had sex.
Reed Richard's dick is always going to be the maximum size Sue can handle.
Namor can literally not compete. No man can.
The average Skrull can do better than moron Richards
Emma doesn't seem interested (like any other woman at Marvel) and she already felt the salty dick inside.
Mr. Fantastic and Namor are the opposite of each other. Namor is obviously sexy and so people are attracted to him, but he's average in bed. Mr. Fantastic doesn't seem attractive to most people, but when you actually have sex with him it's a truly Fantastic experience.
In other words - Emma doesn't know what she's missing.
>actually have sex with him it's a truly Fantastic experience.
I haven't read something this gay since, I don't know, the last post about the Robins
It's canon on page, as is the fact that Namor hasn't been able to hit it.
You fricking boring ass cuck fetishists are as boring and predictable as arithmetic.
>t. Reed
>In other words - Emma doesn't know what she's missing
Emma is a telepath with no boundaries who freely reads people's minds without consent.
Emma knows EXACTLY what she's missing.
She's just being a catty b***h. Emma and Sue are two adult women. Adult women who dislike each other. They'd never admit, but they're equals. Both are wealthy, beautiful, intelligent women of high status and fame. But their personalities are polar opposites. So they're just going to be passive aggressive, give each other backhanded compliments, and compare lovers and children.
Forget the stretching dick. Imagine what Reed can do with his tongue.
Namor's mom is hot
wow who's the artist?
Urge to give Namor a brother
what do you mean?
Given that they finally used Claremont's true idea for Nighcrawler's origin, they now have the greenlight to bring back the original idea of cucking Reed.
>Nighcrawler is now a lesbian buttbaby
DC won
What is Namors penis like? does it got tentacles like an anemone? does it got scales?
The real question is will they make Wolverine bi
His son being gay, I mean bi is more than enough
It boggles my mind this insane standard people have for bisexual people and characters. Oh you aren't sucking and fricking every man and woman in the 20 mile radius? You're just gay/lesbian/straight then.
Lol. Lmao, even. What is a committed loving relationship? Anons like you may never know.
>committed
problem is, what the frick does this mean?
Want to move in and live together? No, that sucks ass, I want my own space. Get married? FRICK NO, it's my money, frick off. Have kids? I honestly think this is the most evil thing a self aware person could ever do, to willingly and knowingly reproduce. Absolutely disgusting.
So, what could it mean other than stupid fricking religious nonsense?
What the frick are you talking about?
A committed relationship means they're in a strictly monogamous arrangement.
Sue is only monogamous with Black Namor, for obvious reasons.
> I honestly think
Doubt
How many women worth having want a dude who’s been chugging wieners? None, that’s how many.
Once a dude rides the lightning he’s gay by default.
Namor's pinkish skin always makes me think that's Plastic Man.
No women would take goofy eyebrows over a stretching dick.
Why is Namor so lame?
>Your whole marriage/relationship was just mindrape.
I hate comics.
After the last few years of the X-Books, I regret ever talking shit about the Morrison era.
TODAY IS TOO LATE
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT
OH NO, I THINK SHE KNOWS
THAT'S WHY I CAN'T LET GO
I FEEL THIS BURNING INSIDE
>every other MCU man on screen they pump full of steroids, Namor gets none.
I am very annoyed by this
Cope