So now that the dust has settled, in retrospect, I think we can all agree that not only was Wonder Woman Earth One boring as all frick, but also a completely laughable shit-show that doesn't stack up anywhere near the greats such as Greg Rucka's run, or Steve Perez's, or even Gail Simone.
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>Steve Perez
Sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night and was thinking of Steve Orlando and George Perez.
I will probably never read this.
Good, the way it ends gave me the impression that Grant Morrison really have whacked off before starting writing that garbage story
You should at least look at. the art is fantastic. The story is bonkers because it's one male (or had Morrison come out as non binary at that point?) sex pest critiquing another sex pest from the 1940's on his idea on feminism.
I don't understand why Dr. Psycho is Nick Cave in this. Did he piss of Grant Morrison somehow? Was it a homage to using Sting as John Constantine?
>Was it a homage to using Sting as John Constantine?
Lots of celebs are used as models for comic book characters.
I think he was trying to go with someone charismatic and handsome in an unconventional way, like Nick Cave. I doubt he pissed Morrison off, especially since—for some reason—Dr. Psycho is portrayed much more sympathetically here than in the mainstream DCU. I don’t…hate the idea of Dr. Psycho being good-looking and a villain who has sexual tension with Diana—like with Batman and Catwoman when she was more of an antagonist—but like other things in the story it just didn’t work. Part of me wonders if some of the ideas fell flat since the book was in development from much longer ago—it was originally going to be All-Star Wonder Woman—and because of that the ideas felt even more dated.
>Steve Perez
>Steve Perez
Who, you moron? You mean George? But yea. Turning Wonder Woman into a BBC-addicted Female Chauvinist Pig, while turning Hercules into a rapist and Wonder Woman the off-spring of Hippolyta being his concubine who she murders is mind-bendingly stupid. And I guarantee you there will be some grease-stained fatty who tries to defend that shit.
I guess most of the people complaining about the name disagree except
>Steve Perez
The only ones who like E1 WW are the same people who thought GL Season 2 was some sort of underrated masterpiece.
I liked the concept of retvrning to the Marston S&M roots, but the story was meh (I only read the firs two books).
Morrison's post post New 52 stories with the exception of The Multiversity and Action Comics all either petered out after a good beginning or were meh from start to end. His heart wasn't in it.
That's fine though, can't pump out gold forever. At least he moved on when the juice ran out. And boy did it run out. His Batman ended with a fart, Green Lantern ended in utter schizophrenia, and his WW was just a miss.
But, Multiversity and to a lesser extent AC (and his Dark Knights tie-in issue) were great, so not to bad of an exit all told.
I also never read his Authority Supes story but I heard it was meh.
Did I miss any of his post 2011 DC work?
I loved his run on Multiversity and Action Comics, but never read his GL, even though I heard Season One was good. Hearing about Season Two being disliked by the people that liked the first part makes me cautious but I’ll probably check it out eventually.
All that being said, I think Multiversity was probably the last great thing I read by Morrison. I hope he comes back to that some time as it could be expanded on in many ways.
>Steve Perez
huh
All the Wonder Woman stories that are palatable to Cinemaphile incels have already been told (a few times).
Go read Alan Moore's Promethea or something, and stop expecting effort on WBD's safe IP for "girls" (that's you lads).
>promethea
If I wanted to eat garbage I'd go looking in my own trash can.
>If I wanted to eat garbage
You follow DC's Wonder Woman, so you do. Bland, reheated garbage.
The next time Black Manta is going to kill Aquaman's family (for sure!) you'll be there, eating trash.
>you follow DC's wonder woman
I don't.
Yes you do.
Promethea is great.
Honestly just waiting for someone to go full mask off and make Wonder Woman explicitly a dommy mommy/service sub switch triggered by damsel situations.
I liked it, I think vol 2 was my favorite with Nick Cave. Unless that was 3? Idk they put a lot of effort into it, the clit planes were cool too
Unrelated but I am absolutely shocked that I come back to Cinemaphile and everyone hates azzarellos run in the new52. I was in threads calling it dogshit because I was being an edgelord and you fricks ran me off the board with all the name calling and threatening to render me unconscious
Frick you all
Yes that is unrelated, thankyou.
To be fair, you deserved it. You kept bringing it up in unrelated threads, kind of like what you’re doing now.
How come all the other Earth Ones were terrible except for Green Lantern's?
Earth One Batman was pretty good.
Superman Earth One Volume 1 was enjoyable.
Earth One Batman was good. Nothing groundbreaking but it worked.
wonder woman ones are from meh to ok
superma ones are just ok dull
batman ones are good
green lantern ones are great
teen titans one are awful
Is that the one where females take over earth and at the end wonder woman puts a collar on a black version of Steve Rodgers.
Yes.
The first issues was fine. The second went a bit topical but whatever, it's Wonder Woman. The third completely dropped the ball by refusing to pick up what they set up and instead totally vindicating Amazonian society despite going out of it's way to point out it's flaws.
This page isn't from it of course, I'm just amused Tom King was allowed to insert his dommy mommy fetish into anything this blatantly.
>demand wore than mere words promising gore and glory
>demand wore
>wore
How did this get published
It’s subtle. An upside down M
I have to agree. I loved the art and the Amazons using advanced technology again, but the book felt more like a satire of Marston and his ideas, and kind of a mean-spirited one. Whether that was the intent or not doesn’t matter to me, it’s how it came off. I’m not the first person to say any of this but it bears repeating.
On paper this was a good idea: Morrison being someone who can take weird or puzzling ideas from the past and present them in a cool and interesting way, but it didn’t work this time. I don’t know why he was able to do it with Superman and Batman but not Wonder Woman.
He didn't do it with Batman either. His Batman run explicitly retconned a huge chunk of Batman's Silver Age adventures into being hallucinations which struck me as an exceptional amount of laziness and NOT MUH. For all the hype he gets it's quite clear Morrison's passion lies squarely in the Bronze Age incarnations of the characters (and not at all in WW's case).
>and NOT MUH.
it's the opposite however
he explicitly chose to reference that stuff when it would otherwise not have been
He only referenced it to say that it never happened.
That's a rather negative way to look at it. If you swapped out Morrison's run for another writer that era most likely wouldn't have been referenced at all, let alone referenced to the point where DC put out a tie in TPB that collected a bunch of the old stories Grant was referencing.
You are making shit up fricker.
Pretty much the entire 50s era Batman had been erased save for a few key canon villain appearances after Crisis on Infinite Earths; to the point that Batwoman was turned into Kathy Kane circus owner and former BFF of Bruce Wayne and her Batgirl being turned into Flamebird.
Morrison actually brought the 50s Batman BACK INTO CANON, complete with restoring Kathy as Batwoman (and retconning her death) and making the craziest 50s stories hallucinations/dreams due to the fact that that was the only way the notorious Batman editorial would even let Grant restore them to canon.
>Morrison actually brought the 50s Batman BACK INTO CANON, complete with restoring Kathy as Batwoman (and retconning her death) and making the craziest 50s stories hallucinations/dreams due to the fact that that was the only way the notorious Batman editorial would even let Grant restore them to canon.
What that other guy also forgot is that he never confirms that they were all hallucinations/dreams. There's a panel in Last Rites showing the Bat-Radia--the actual one from the original Zur-En-Arrh comic--in storage. It's left open for people to decide if it happened or not
I love Bronze Age DC so even if that’s the case it makes me like Morrison more. But, as you said, we didn’t get any of that in this series, it was just a satire that maybe had some outside hands interfering with the story. I actually WOULD like to see a take on the Golden Age Wonder Woman that’s also modern, sexy, and fetishy, but this wasn’t that.
It's insane how all the Earth One books felt nothing like each other or part of the same world
That’s true. I also wonder if there was more editorial interference than we know, especially in the case of Earth One Wonder Woman. I suspect everyone involved would deny this if asked, but reading it you get the impression there was a major change halfway through.
>Re-reading All-Star Superman makes me think I prefer genius level intelligence for Superman.
Same here. Superman should be super in every way, he’s not just a flying brick, despite what some people think.
I think it fits better with the more adventure oriented stories. On top of that you avoid some of the problems modern Superman stories tend to have nowadays, too.
At a certain point, everyone has "genius level intelligence" in super hero books. Kind of like how everyone has "super strength". It's just a given.
Not with the way they write Superman sometimes. Not all the time, but enough to notice.
Speaking of Marston, are there any good Wonder Woman expys written like the original version, without any of this silly satire shit?
It was always agreeable to be shit, but it's a decent artbook.
should have gone all out with them being dykes
>greats such as Greg Rucka