So the machines chose to set the Matrix in 1999 even though it's 2199 in the real world. What happens when 1999 ends? Do they just reset it back to the start of the year?
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They chose 1999 because the movie came out in 1999
Do you remember life before 1999?
I was born in 2005.
We stopped The Matrix for you, underageb& fricker.
Someone born in 2005 would be 19 and thus old enough to use Cinemaphile. Feel old yet?
I felt old AT 19. MySpace was already on the way out. I think Twitter was taking off then. People had iPhones.
Gotten used to it, anon. You meanwhile grew up at the worst point in history. Teenage life must have been hell.
No they wouldn't they would be 17 or 18 depending on the day and month they were born.
October - December 2005?
So you're either a newbie or you were posting here underage until now. Which is it?
There are a lot of people who were posting here underage but were smart enough not to admit it until they hit 18 and could no longer be banned for it. I've learned not to underestimate the younger generation. They are more powerful than we give them credit for.
I wish I didn't.
Yes, it was glorious, people went outside, malls were fun, people didnt discuss politics ad nauseum, internet was barely anything, no smart phones, girls actually fricked.
I remember going to see The Phantom Menace and having a fricking fantastic experience that kept me excited for months afterwards. Yeah, over a Hollywood film/product (I also bought mass-produced plastic toys, wild.)
Little did I know I was supposed to be incredibly angry, consider it the worst thing ever, and discuss this at length with my peers.
zero taste. anyone going to see ep 1 as a sw fan was already worried about george declaring how the movies were over 90% cg, after the disaster that was the special edition. ep 1 was the final nail in the coffin, long before disney dug up the corpse and killed it again.
Didn't care for Star Wars before then. Got into science fiction novels but I was a snob about it (Harlan Ellison's "uhh don't call it 'sci-fi' it's 'sf' and that means 'speculative fiction'!!!"). Anything with magic and swords felt childish to me.
The Phantom Menace had a real spirit of adventure and I basically said "frick you" to that pretentious part of my early teenage brain. It was less about the plot and more about the world and spirit of adventure. I couldn't give a damn about the plot of Alien but I love the setting, set design, and effects.
There was just something magic about The Phantom Menace and it wasn't like I saw it then moved on with my life. Same goes for The Mummy, The Pirates of the Caribbean, and the first Lord of the Rings, though they didn't linger as long.
Of course now it's the worst thing ever. Ruined Star Wars, ruined cinema, blue screen isn't revolutionary it's like having your eyes stabbed while watching a motion picture.
>how the movies were over 90% cg
You're blowing shit out of your ass. The movies aren't dominantly CGI because they're dominantly miniatures and real life backgrounds interposed just like LOTR.
I liked The Phantom Menace a lot. I must have rewatched my VHS a dozen times in the years leading up to Attack of the Clones' release. And I was already a fan of Star Wars prior to that so it's not as if I didn't have anything to compare it to. I had a VHS box set of the original trilogy that I watched a lot as well, before I even knew there was going to be more Star Wars movies. I always remember the VHS had these interviews with Leonard Maltin that I had to fast forward through every time. Although I did watch it a few times so it's not like it was a bad interview, I just didn't want to see it every time. But yeah, those interviews are the reason why I know who Leonard Maltin is, seeing that name so many times burned it into my memory.
Anyway, I was definitely disappointed with Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith in comparison. And this was before the internet was a big thing, so it's not as if that's what I was told to think. That was a conclusion I reached on my own. (I also thought Spiderman 3 was absolute shit, which is a shame because I loved 2.) But I will always consider The Phantom Menace to be a good movie. To this day I try to avoid looking at other people's opinions of movies I'm interested in. It's amazing how different your opinion of a film can end up from the general public if you come to your own conclusions and don't let it be shaped by others beforehand. You notice things that they didn't notice because you aren't going in prepared to hate or love it. It makes you wonder how much of what people think is their real opinions and how much is subconsciously influenced by others.
Nice prose lad.
I stumbled across Reminiscence one day and had never heard of it before, but watched it solely because it had a kickass poster. Now this was what I would call a very enjoyable, well written film. But if I'd blindly trusted what people said, I might have skipped it just because it said "mixed reviews", or because it didn't make much money. Best not to read what people are saying and just decide for yourself if the movie looks good. Lots of good movies out there that go overlooked because they underperformed at the box office, and so they're deemed "safe" to shit on, and then people miss out on something great.
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>Little did I know I was supposed to be incredibly angry, consider it the worst thing ever, and discuss this at length with my peers.
kek
There was no life before 1999
1994-1998 were the peak of human civilization
i remember the 1980's
Why exactly robots need to put in people in matrix instead of just keeping them in cryosleep and why robots do in their free time anyway
Robots can't destroy all humans
Rules of robotics are consistent with the matrix
Architect is bluffing to make Neo reset the matrix
Matrix resets when Neo executes the reset
Machines can't do it on their own
Yeah, the same way a cpu is incapable of altering its base programming, there mist be something deep down in the machines' coding that inclines them towards aiding humanity, even when enslaving them.
in order for the machines to harvest humans for energy they need their brains and bodies to be active
cryosleep would net less energy per person or even make it impossible
as for what the machines do I'm pretty sure in the newest movie (I haven't fully watched it cuz it's shit) they are divided into facfions and fight each other so it's no different than a typical sci fi robot world
In the original script the robots are using the humans’ brains to run a giant neural net computer. The studio made the Wachowskis change it because they thought audiences wouldn’t understand what a neural net computer is.
in the original concept of the matrix, humans weren't providing energy to the machines, they were providing processing power. they were operating as RAM. which makes more sense. so the machines are using the humans as machines essentially, they are off setting computational labour by getting the human brains to do the labour for them. so the matrix is a means of keeping the humans in equilibrium while their mental energies are siphoned for the use of computations of the machines.
I remember watching it when I was like 8 and my 18 year old sister told me I wouldn't understand it because she didn't understand it. The concept of humans acting as organic processing power would have been too complicated for the normies of that era. It does make way more since than the human batteries though.
The "wetware" theory is dumb.
The human body produces electrical energy, the machines needed energy (especially after blocking out the sun). They decided to use humans - who they also had a grudge against, or at least an indifference toward. They just needed a FRICKTON of them, hence huge farms.
It's not a plothole you need to headcanon away. Morpheus explains it.
They could never get more energy from the humans than they would expend keeping them alive
And doing what? Having them run in hamster wheels, feeding them nutritious meals to grow their muscles instead of just going for the tube/sleuce/recycled corpses route?
Seems like a pretty solid, self-sufficient system. Solar power might have helped, but I doubt the squids care about vitamin D deficiency.
it's not a theory, it was in the original script for the matrix
But not in the final version. The final version meant they were batteries, and so that's the explanation whether you like it or now.
The final version is ambiguous enough about it that all interpretations are valid.
They choose 1999 so they can listen to Slipknot debut album
What part of current year do you not understand?
It was actually explained in the film that Robots First made an Utopia Matrix but it failed. After that,they made a Matrix based on peak of human civilisation because after that the machines take over the civilisation. And to be honest, it is kinda true. Humana did become too dependant on technology,computers, smartphones,internet,now even drones and AI.
The simulation is set in 1999. It's also set on Earth, "...what happens if someone goes to Mars, instead?!?!" they just don't, that's not part of the simulation.
Anon above already mentioned it, but this isn't some "haha WHAT ABOUT..." theory you've come up with, OP. They actually discuss this in the dialogue of the films, through lengthy exposition.
Okay but how do you explain space travel then. Is the moon part of the matrix?
>Is the moon part of the matrix?
No.
To be honest (and this MAY be me misremembering) isn't the whole thing one city? Like there are explicit references to France or whatever, but it's not as if we see Paris.
So does that mean that enough of humanity is dead at this point that they all fit in one city?
Not sure if it ever gives a figure.
Would be pretty cool if the simulation was an apparently-infinite metropolis based on 1999 New York (or wherever). Plus it mostly seems to be night, usually gloomy weather. AI reusing assets, just like it does in those generals anons won't stop posting.
considering everyone is put into a pod and stacked on top of each other around giant ass towers you probably wouldn't need to kill off so many people for everyone to fit in a single large city
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>>DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big battery, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favorite CYBERPUNK DYSTOPIAS. you should totally come on down to my simulation, it’s got EXPOSED GREEN CODE walls and everything, we can slice open a nice digitized steak or three and get crazy watching some late 90s programming! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the Matrix- listen here, right, it’s a REALITY where us HUMANS who do HUMANING can go LIVE. BUT!!!! it’s also VIRTUAL like when we weren't slaves, so we can play awesome UN-REAL LIFE, without dumb robots bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to bend the spoon- literally -we’re both getting cookies tomorrow at the Oracle's, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our ZION RAVE PARTIES. i’m frickin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this tin full of slop and pop open another one!!!
all of the matrix is organized so that in reality, all the cities are in one location called "the city" and all the mountains are organized in one location called "the mountains" and so on and so forth, but the humans still think that its a globe with spread out locations, and the matrix allows them to travel through out the land as if it were regular earth. the reason for this is because its easier to organize the layout that way from a computational point of view. think of it like instances in a video game.
In the first film there are references to actual real life places, like a newspaper headline saying that Morpheus was almost captured at Heathrow Airport in London. And “The City” is presumably New York or Chicago. In the sequels after Neo knows the the nature of reality, the geographic locations become intentionally fake and blurry, like the Swiss Alps apparently being a five minute drive from downtown Chicago.
The idea is that no one exceptional actually exists. Everyone in the matrix is actually wageslave normalgayot like how most people are in real life. You only hear about great things but you don't ever actually see them. You're just trapped in the rat race consuming to make energy for the machines.
was Neo's boss a real guy?
What is "real"? If by real you mean what you can see and touch, then real is only a series of electrical signals in your brain
god i hope Neo's boss touched him
>"look Thomas...i know this is difficult. believe me, it's hard on both of us. but i just feel...something toward you. but it has to stay between us, OK?"
Are we talking about Neo's boss from the 4th one? Because that was Smith in disguise.
nah, first one. "either you choose to be at your desk on time, or you choose to find another job" guy.
clearly got a kick out of that power. might have been having a bad day or just really dedicated to the company. but i like to think more was going on there. leaped at the chance to call Anderson into his office, for another of their little chats.
And even if somebody spectacular did emerge and start building rocket ships then the machines would step in and stop it. The agents are literally based on the men in black trope, mysterious individuals who are seen before people disappear, projects fail, and information gets suppressed.
Well that's kind of deconfirmed by World Record which features a sprinter running so fast that he breaks free of the Matrix on his own. (It also confirms that the machines can plug people back into the Matrix if they want to, so they would have been able to fulfill their end of the deal if Cypher had succeeded.)
Not really cause like
said when people do break the matrix they erase everything and fix it so that the problem doesn't happen again. The Matrix is supposed to be set up so that it stifles or hinders humans from free thought almost like The Truman Show.
That's part of mystery of the simulation, who and what is real. We only know what we know and only aee what we see so it could be possible that his boss was fake.
given how much spin-off and what-if? media there is, would be cool if Neo met his old boss in Zion at some point.
"sorry for being an butthole in The Matrix, man. heard you were also resurrected as an adult: all that muscular atrophy stuff was a real b***h, gave me time to think. hope you're doing OK these days."
They kind of do that with the other kid they intoduce in the animatrix/2. The thing is though is that he's also a normie and the few freed people that talk about their life in the matrix also mention that they weren't someone remarkable.
they never free people past a certain age. the mind has trouble letting go.
>heard you were also resurrected as an adult: all that muscular atrophy stuff was a real b***h
wasn't it "usually"? and i suspect they started doing it more often after the final film.
unless they just let everyone in the farms die? nice bit of genocide, well done there Morpheus & co.
The way I understand it, the majority of people are satisfied in the Matrix. They only free the ones who aren't, hence the redpill/bluepill choice.
"You believed that you were special, that the rules did not apply to you. Obviously I was mistaken."
Holy cringe kino
>later in the film
>Morpheus explains how the system is based on rules
>but they can be bent/broken
>Neo, in fact, does this
i'd say this is clever but tbqh it's just called "writing."
>delicious steak, character finds it delicious
So was it prepared by a chef who was good at his job, or was it computer-generated off-screen?
And who's designing the fashionable costumes? I get they can just "load them in", but who created the designs? They're contemporary.
The world technically takes place in the future while the matrix is set in 1999. There is no contemporary, contemporary is used to describe the now. The Matrix doesn't take place in the now. Everything in the simulation is from the past.
>There is no contemporary, contemporary is used to describe the now.
Actually look up the word "contemporary" in a dictionary, I was using it in another sense. "Contemporary reviews of the Sherlock Holmes novels."
It can be used to refere to things in the past but it means at the present time or now.
...that first definition, anon.
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Contemporary-me read it in the past.
Current-me is typing this post. I am NOT doing any definition-reading at the present time or now. Would you say I'm not contemporary? That I'm not hip, or with it?
Is that a quote from American Psycho? I still don't understand what you're trying to tell me.
you posted a dictionary definition to prove a point and showed the exact opposite in the first entry.
You gays have both derailed this thread, go away.
On the contrary, we have made this thread contemporary.
No, ESLgay
Your contemporaries in high school knew you were a loser
When the first movie came out it was probably that it just stayed like 1999 forever, and nobody noticed because they didn't know any better.
The sequels came out and revealed it was probably closer to the 2800s or maybe later, and that roughly by the time the simulation hit the new millennium it was time for a reboot.
Didn't the sequel establish it was actually 10's of thousands of years later for enough time for Zion to be rebuilt from scratch 6 times? I think the architect had to be lying.
I don't recall them mentioning how much time passes between each time someone breaks the matrix, only that it keeps happening and it's not the first, second or third time.
The whole point of the Architect is that he doesn't lie. The machines have effectively won so hard that the best Neo could hope for was a truce.
this is incorrect. neo started to see that the machines also had souls and he wanted peace for everyone, he also came to realize that hoping for peace only on one side would cause a never ending cycle of warfare that might destroy both sides. a truce was the only form of peace that was actually possible.
>contemporary.
>-temporary
By the time you've finished even thinking about it, it's over.
resurrections is underrated kino
20 years from now people are going to look at the scene where the Merovingian is losing his shit and they're gonna be like "Holy shit, he was right all along."
scifi is the best genre, but yeah you can't get stuck on one universe or you'll end up autistic. i didn't hate tpm as a film but i hated the cg and how george was so proud of it when it looked like dung even at the time, meanwhile his original movies had amazing miniatures and effects.
>Of course now it's the worst thing ever. Ruined Star Wars, ruined cinema
i'm a trekkie more than a sw fan, but i know the pain equally. these are dark times to be a fan of any established franchise
I would contend that a big reason TPM is better than the other two is that he didn't go quite so hard on the CGI. Yeah, the droids and shit were CGI, but he also used real sets and a lot of practical effects. Then he got lazy with AOTC and ROTS and green screened the hell out of both of them.
Mos Espa looks better than Mos Eisley. Feels like a real, lived-in location. For both they went out to Tunisia and filmed some real, cool-looking buildings, but in Mos Eisley it feels like they could pan too far to the left at any moment and you'll know they're just filming six huts.
Mos Espa had overhead establishing shots and marketplaces, not just tight alleys and the occasional wide shot. To this day when Obi-Wan says "Mos Eisley spaceport" I have no idea what the hell they're looking at. It's there, but it might as well be off-screen. "From this cliff we're be heading to Mos Eisley, a spaceport..."
Imagine a film had really tightly-filmed naval battles featuring real ships and accurate costumes. But the motivations behind the mutiny were lacking and some of the cannonballs were 3D. I seriously don't get Star Wars fans sometimes, please just view them how you would view any other film.
>meanwhile his original movies had amazing miniatures and effects.
They also had hazy compositing (windows around landing bays, the god awful windows in Cloud City), some dodgy arguably-actual CGI (wireframes of ships and the Death Star visual), the lightsaber effects are all over the place--from flat beams to coloured tubes, the speeder chase in Return of the Jedi just looks abysmal. Monkey suit in The Empire Strikes Back. Watch the theatrical scans if you can find them online.
I can look past Jar Jar and see some amazing sets, miniatures, designs, and visual effects in The Phantom Menace. Both practical and almost entirely CG (the podracing scene).
My brain skews more towards the craft of filmmaking than the drama or characters. All six of the films have terrible acting and weird operatic dialogue. I don't buy Han and Leia's romance any more than Anakin and Padmé's. But that's not what I'm interested in.
Loyalty to franchises is a terrible way to enjoy film anyway. The real kino lies in standalone films that aren't baiting for endless sequels or some sort of "cinematic universe." Films like The Green Knight, Dragged Across Concrete, Belfast. Watch real movies and you'll be amazed at how much great stuff is still being made to this day. But I suppose I am in a thread about a blockbuster franchise, so perhaps I'm speaking to the wrong crowd.
Could Neo defeat The Oracle?
He couldn't even beat Seraph who was supposed to be weaker than the Oracle.
Neo wasn't attacking Seraph really, he was only defending. he threw only a few good shots at seraph during their fight and landed every time
Diabetes beat him to it.
too many computer cookies
Computer cookies comes from cookies the snack. This isn't a pun.
>I'm on the web.
>What are you...a spider?! lmao!
What's the etymology of the term?
< Dutch koekje, literally ‘little cake’ (17th cent.; < koek cake (see cake n.) + -je, diminutive suffix), reflecting independent borrowings into Scots and American English (and later into South African English via South African Dutch koekje (Afrikaans koekie)).
And what's the contemporary etymology?
>Do they just reset it back to the start of the year?
obviously not since in Matrix 4 were 20 ish years later . It just runs slower than real life, as like 60 years passed outside
But they did explicitly say they reset it in 4, they had to build a new Matrix centered around Neo and Trinity, which is the explanation for why the Oracle, Architect, Seraph, Sati's parents, etc. are all dead, because Neil Patrick Harris deleted them when he made the new Matrix.
what do you think reset is? when you reset your computer it doesnt suddenly think its 2015 or whenever it was made again does it?
they had to reconstruct the matrix again to retcon the trash ending of 3
but the modern world is clearly 2021 (which isnt stated like the origional 1999) but is clearly observable by the culture differences
Well yeah, they created a new Matrix set in 2021 instead of 1999, and they've been looping the years since then while 60 years passed in the real world. But Neo and Trinity are only 20 years older because the enhancements from the machines kept them young, they still lived 60 years in the Matrix like everyone else.
4 isn't canon to the Matrix Trilogy
Matrix Resurrection implies time moves slowly in the Matrix so that you never really notice that you are in an eternal 1999 and that this is also where/how come bullet time is possible.
Also, the sequels Reloaded and Revolution revolves around the idea that the Matrix inevitably crashes as more and more people realizes that they are in a simulation. So they do constant resets to the Matrix to deal with this.
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